WEBVTT - 10-21-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.640 Don't want to be an American idiot. 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:05.400 Our Scott's flowing back on seven hundred. WW got a 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:06.360 busy day ahead, y'all. 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.320 Coming up at ten o'clock or thereabouts, we'll have a 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:12.480 press conference, live press conference, and it's going to be 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.000 the lawyer for Police Chief Terry Thiji, who is on 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:20.000 now paid administrative leave. And it feels like it sounds 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.800 like it looks like she's getting fired, but that hasn't 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:25.760 happened yet. This whole thing has been headled poorly from 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.440 the jump, and I've not even talked about the issue 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.760 of the violent crime in downtown Cincinnati. So we'll have 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:32.519 that for you live at ten to six. More on this. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:34.239 We'll talk about more about nine to thirty five. But 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.800 in the interim, we have a major security breach into 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.640 our infrastructure by the Chinese, and you didn't hear about 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.320 that because it's been overshadowed by yesterday's massive Amazon Web 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:48.080 Services outage. If you use things like Alexa or Prime Video, 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.519 or have blank security systems or Coinbase, which is crypto 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.600 government gateway services, Microsoft three sixty five, my Fitness, pell 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:01.160 Peloton PlayStation Network, Snapchat, WhatsApp, Square, Zoom, and countless other 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.680 platforms were down for the COUMP for a good part yesterday, 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.440 frustrating a lot of people joining the show to talk 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.760 about this and much more is Chris Naiheissi is the 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:15.600 CEO at Cincinnati based Vigilant Cybersecurity. Chris, Welcome back, Good morning, Scott. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:16.399 It's great to be back. 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:18.760 Yeah, and it seems like there's always a crisis. We 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.040 could have you on probably every day talking about this stuff. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.120 I've imagined how the security breach, the security breach of 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:27.920 that five was kind of overshadowed by AWS, and I 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:31.040 guess that makes sense because you know, unless it directly 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.800 affects you, you don't pay attention. Thing was that that 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:38.240 AWS affects so many more people simply because when that's down. 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.319 I just mentioned it, and that's just tip of the iceberg. 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:42.640 That's some of the platforms. There's countless others around the 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:45.760 world that were down because of this. In pretty much 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:50.920 every institution from finance to a retail, you name. It 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:53.720 was completely shut down for the Better Party yesterday, illustrating 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.200 what the real problem is with Amazon, which is what. 0:01:58.600 --> 0:01:59.880 They're centrally located. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.840 You know, the big issue with a lot of these 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:06.760 technologies like crowd Offerings AWS. They've made it so easy 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:11.200 for organizations to put their technology up there. But the 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.040 problem is in the thing that a lot of companies 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:17.760 forgot about or chose to not maybe pay attention to, 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.760 is that when you put it into these central locations, 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.000 if that central location goes down, well then now everything 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:25.799 you do goes down. And what was really interesting in 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:29.000 scott is yesterday, and I do this quite often when 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.399 things like this happen. I go out to this site 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.000 called down detector dot com. 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.400 And it tells you, like everything you know. 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.440 These people will call in the report things are down, 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.280 so it'll tell you what's down across the world. And 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:47.440 you can tell exactly what companies use Amazon and we'll. 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.120 Talk about that here in a second why that can help. 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.680 An attacker, but you can see exactly what company used 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.960 it because they all went down at the same time. Now, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.320 I'll tell you this has happened globally two times before 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:02.000 last year CrowdStrike, and this has happened to AWS before 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:07.079 as well. The data that Russia attacked Ukraine, so very 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:08.720 interesting time and you and I talked about that. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.160 Yeah, in fact that we. 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.360 Will and we still don't I don't. We don't know 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:13.760 what drove yesterday's out. 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:15.560 We don't know, we don't know. 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.079 Yeah, I mean Amazon has said that, uh that basically 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.160 it was a DNS problem, which is the exact same 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.400 thing that was years ago, and just everyone knows what 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:28.200 DNS does is you know, it's really hard to remember 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.440 a long IP address, you know, like one nine two 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.440 dot one six, states at five, that ten or whatever, 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.119 and so so we don't have to remember that Google's 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:37.680 addresses is. 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:39.119 You know eight at eight, that eight that eight. 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.480 We put names to these because it's easier for humans 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.160 remember names. So we say Google dot com, where there's 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:49.560 a translation service at the Internet existed since since you know, 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.640 networking started. But basically you type in Google, it converts 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.200 it to that iPad dress and goes up. You can't 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:59.160 get to websites without DNS. And if DNS is down, 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.960 that's the problem. It is the single most thing that 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.480 can I mean, none of the networking broke yesterday, None 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:07.560 of the ISP's broke. 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:08.600 You said Internet connection. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.080 It was the major translation system. 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:12.280 So if you had typed in. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:14.960 The IP address, if you knew it, you could have 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.400 gotten to the website. You're trying to go to. But 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.880 because of automation, all these technologies like ring or whatever, 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.279 DNS can change so often and so they just automate it. 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:29.640 So when that system's down, it's it's the thing that 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.080 can take everything down. It's the simplest thing to take 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:32.679 down the world. 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.479 Yeah, the way you describe is if you're older, remember 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.560 the old Dewey decimal system. It's like the inverse of that. Basically, 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:40.600 I said, if I remember those numbers like oh yeah, 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:42.520 here's the name of the book, Well, the Dewey decimal 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.039 system will get you the book and the title that 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.599 you're looking for. Don't have to worry about that as 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.560 much anymore. And the other thing too, is you know, 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.159 the idea is is that the cloud. Basically the cloud 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:52.840 is hey listen, you don't have to host your own 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.000 service anymore. You don't have to have a room full 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.080 of a rack room with all this equipment and have 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.000 it people run around all the time. You just uplad 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.160 the stuff of the cloud and Amazon will take care 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.120 of it and you just you can outsource it. Right, 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:08.279 So we love outsourcing. The problem though, is that and 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.039 correct memver wrong. I think there's two regions here, so 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.120 you have the US East one region, which is in Virginia, 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:15.240 which is where the problem is. 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.520 We have US East two, which is actually in Ohio. 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.039 And so one of the ideas, Hey, one of the 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.000 regions goes down, you've got other backups and overlaps. But 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:25.919 as you mentioned, if it's the whole process of the 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.880 Dewey decimal system called DNS, then you can't access data 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:33.000 no matter where it is. That's the toy that that 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.560 undermines their argument that, hey, don't worry if they go 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.280 down here, we've got backups. There's redundancy. Well, there's no 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:39.080 redundancy with. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:40.839 This, right right. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.560 That's interesting too. There's thinking about it this way from 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:48.680 a security standpoint. It's just from national security aspect. When 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:53.080 DNS is down, everybody's firewall that's configured to get updates 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.120 through DNS stops getting updates. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:55.479 Right. 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.719 People writing code that use things like githup right where 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.039 they still or their code they can't update code? Uh 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:07.200 when you know yesterday, uh you know email communication systems 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.359 to tell people things are down, we're down, and so 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.760 you know, think about all the ways we communicate, all 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:19.880 the services we communicate, emergency services. Your ring cameras were 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.880 down right, So what's a great time for someone breaking 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.000 your home yesterday during that outage, you know, so you 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.159 know what's it. But also on top of that, not 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.560 even just the security side of things is you know, 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.400 people couldn't buy and sell things. They couldn't you know, 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.720 so many businesses lost tons of money yesterday because they 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.160 lost consumers purchasing. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:40.800 Things from them. 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.960 It's just a cascading effect. And you know, when you 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:45.680 think about US East and US one, the way this 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.800 works is you actually have to put your technology in bolts. Well, 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.359 it costs you more money to do that, and so 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:55.440 not every company does that either, even though it's available. 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.159 But even in that case, you know, DNS being down, 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.599 you know, would have affected most of most of any 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:03.640 any of. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:04.120 That as well. 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:07.960 And you know, there are multiple different ways to connect 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.360 to DNS because there's all these companies that use this, 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.160 but a lot of companies use aws because it's easy 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.400 and you know, it's it's just it's just grown to 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:18.800 be something that's just pretty well known. 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.720 Yeah, so we know why to you know, the dependence 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.559 in the cloud as opposed to having a local drive 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.240 do this, there's a lesson there and the you know, 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:29.600 everything works until it doesn't. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:30.920 I guess it's the mantra here too. 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:31.360 Uh. 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:34.600 And I'd been missed. I didn't mention, like literally. 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.760 Hours before this day before this, there was something called 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:38.880 the F five bridge. F five is a it's a 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.760 it's a major US company basically that it How do 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:47.040 I want to describe F five? It's not much like 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.240 AWUS is pretty much everywhere. F five is a huge 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.040 cybersecurity ventor. I think nine to ten fortune five hundred 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.760 to use them at banking, tech, medical, government, all that stuff, right, 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:59.040 And they were breached by the Chinese, so to kind 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.280 of bridge the disc ushi and from Amazon to this. 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:03.000 Do you think these two are related? 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:08.760 Uh? You know, personally, I think the timing is really interesting. 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.600 And when you see a lot of these big things 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.560 happen colonial pipeline, uh. 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.200 You know this, you know you have to start to 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:18.720 look at this. 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.200 From a from a warfare standpoint. And I would say 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.520 most of the most of a lot of attacks, even 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:26.520 though they're ransom are attacks. Its like that this last week, 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.480 ransomware in hospitals, things like that. I think all of 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:34.079 that's either positioning or testing and and and in this 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:38.720 case it's it's highly possible that both of them are related. 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.199 I think it's too early for Amazon. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.240 To know that. I think that for them to say 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.840 that publicly, uh was you know, I don't, But again 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.320 I don't know what investigations they've done internally. But that 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.839 happened really fast, and so if I were them, I 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.560 would have waited, you know, just to this to come 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.080 out and say something. But even if it was, it 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.520 probably won't come out to the public just because of hysteria. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:01.679 And things like that. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:04.880 Now, the way the way F five works, where where 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:09.160 DNS gets you to the website you're going to, what 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.800 happens is when you have a popular website or you're 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.160 a company that does a lot of business, you have 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.040 to have a ton of servers on the back end 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.719 that serve your customers. And so what F five does 0:09:20.760 --> 0:09:22.839 is it sits in front of those so when you 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.960 go to it, it distributes. 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.000 The load across all of these servers you have on 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.559 the back end to support all of the transactions you 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.640 might take. So that's why banks use them, why hospitals 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.240 use them, it's why big massive organizations use them, because 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.960 it helps route the traffic. Son Once gets you. 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.839 To F five, right, then it distributes the work. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:47.280 So you kind of see I'm going here right yea, 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:48.760 But yeah. 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.400 So that's that's that's what happened there. So when when 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.480 you think about F five, what F five has is 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.080 they have all of the configurations for every one of 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.200 these companies that they work with. They have all like 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.760 of the user access information, they have all of the 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.960 code for how their systems work. So when an attacker, 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:14.320 what they stole was they stole all of their source code, 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.160 They stole all of their you know or not all, 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:21.000 but a lot of their customer configurations. They stole the 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.240 access to those systems. So now not only do they 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.640 know where to go, they know how to get there, 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.400 they know how to get in, and they know everything 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:33.839 about the company's environment once they get there. 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:40.160 Chris They, who's the they? 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.640 So the they in this case for five is trying 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:45.640 to right. 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.600 China packed them in twenty twenty three, and that's the 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:53.400 earliest we know, right from what's been released. Sometimes that's longer. 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.640 Sometimes companies don't even know. Because I'll say that most 0:10:56.679 --> 0:11:01.680 companies either they don't have the ability to forensically even 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.480 go back that far, and so it's really difficult for 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.040 most companies to prove whether or not a hack happened 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.480 and even when it happened, so they could have been 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.319 there much longer. But the day in this case is 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:17.719 China the and I would say this, it's our adversaries, 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.479 you know, because it's China doesn't just operate completely alone. 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:23.880 They work with other countries and things like that. You 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:25.320 know that our adversaries against us. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.920 Right, And we just had the start of Earine just 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.600 last week and talking about China and how they've infiltrated 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.600 infrastructure here in America in two hundred as far as 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:38.320 we know, but probably multiply that by ten or one hundred, 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:43.559 where they've gotten into water filtration systems. Some small town 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.400 in Massachusetts, I believe. Sixteen Minutes had a great story 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:48.880 on this and how they got in. They like, yeah, 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:50.680 we saw them, they were operating, The government was watching 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.040 them to see what they were going to do. But 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.559 they could totally take control of a city's infrastructure. And 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.280 that's that's replicated across America. 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:57.600 Now. 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.640 The Chinese are break and basically the biggest, one of 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.280 the biggest cybersecurity vetterors in that five in their platform 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.480 that runs nine to ten Fortune five hundred companies. They 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:11.560 have basically the blueprints on how things work for nine 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:12.920 of Virtue tive. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.960 Hundred companies and and and in. 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.319 A significant amount of others too. Yeah, you know, we're 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.840 my team right now is out in California because we 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:24.079 meet uh this conference with a bunch of municipalities out 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:25.960 there at Space all the Uni polities and California come 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.320 together once a year we go go to that conference. 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.280 One of the things that's interesting because our team is 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:35.520 asking them, We're like, hey, you know, do you you know, 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.600 do you use that five et cetera, et cetera now 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:41.000 and a lot of them to do so, you know, 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.640 the you know, that's the thing is when a technology 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:49.040 becomes efficient or becomes you know, effective within an organization, 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.679 people will go buy it and they put it in. 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.000 And that's not a bad thing because you know, a 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:57.640 company should be rewarded for effectiveness. However, the thing you 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.120 have to realize is that you know, when you're when 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.920 you're putting things in, you have to go a bit 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.640 further to to lock them down. 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:07.000 And when you know, we talked. 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.640 About week two hundred, you know, cities around the country 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.720 and that's just that's that's a very very low number 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:17.000 that Scott just from our experience, have embedded threat actors 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.480 in their environment. And then you tie that into things like, 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.560 you know, systems like this where back in twenty twenty three. 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:27.600 So I think it's no doubt that you know, companies 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:28.800 that use. 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.959 F five, you know, have probably been infiltrated from them 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.840 from that time and they don't know, you know, because 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:37.439 you know, and I were talking about this earlier. 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:38.120 I think a look bit. 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.959 But like I've been saying, you know, saying on a. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.880 Few of these, is that the cyber industry has been 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:53.560 diluted over time from a technology standpoint because of the 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.319 way that cyber companies grow, Right, A lot of private 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.839 equity comes in, a lot of different investments come in, 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.040 and a lot of times that can dilute the technology 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:05.680 because there's a balance in an organization like that where 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.320 you have to balance between shareholder value and client value. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:13.000 The other thing that's happened too is that you know, 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.040 companies do not have a good barometer on how to 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:19.440 choose cyber technology. So like for instance, HB ninety six, 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.440 you're in the state of Ohio, mad Rush, every municipality 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:27.080 here in the state of Ohio mad rush to get 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:27.840 cyberant in. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:28.600 Put in place. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:28.840 Now. 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.320 I believe the bill was awesome. I think it's one 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:35.280 of the best cyber bills in the country right now. However, 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.880 the timeline is horrible because now what's happening is all 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.840 these cities are rushing out to get compliance because they 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.040 have to, and now they're going to put in things 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:49.360 that they may or may not know are effective. And 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.480 a lot of these organizations actually don't know how to 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:55.080 vet whether or not tech is good or not in 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.960 the cyber world, because we have things like you know, 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.520 I don't say their names, but we have organizationations out 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.240 there that a lot of companies go to say, well, how. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:03.800 Is this rated? 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:08.160 Well, most of those plans, most of those rating systems 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:12.000 are all paid to play, so cyber vendors can come in, 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.080 pay a lot of money and get put into a 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:17.320 position of priority in the marketplace. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:21.120 So the way the system is set up, it seems 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.400 like this it's not going to take much of this 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.360 house of cards to follow me in. I'm not surprised 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.640 to wake up one day and nothing works, because you know, 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.800 the Chinese said, okay, we have enough to shut your 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.840 commerce down and hold you hostage. I mean imagine holding 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.480 the United States of America essentially hostage. And what is 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:37.800 the rest of the world power is going to do. 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:39.400 They're going to sit back and just look at us 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:39.880 and go yeah. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.480 So we don't care. It's a frightening future. 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.920 And it's sadly we don't learn anything until we have 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.440 a digital nine to eleven, and that's coming. 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:50.440 We've talked about. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:54.760 That, right, Chris Nihi, CEO Vigilant Cybersecurity. Now, of the origins, 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.440 we still know the Amazon webserver crash yesterday, and we 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.400 do know that one of the biggest platform cybersecurity vendors 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.320 at F five and what they produce, was hacked by 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.080 the Chinese. And we'll see if those two things fit together. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.280 Frightening times. Indeed, Chris, all the best, Thanks are jumping 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:09.840 in this morning. 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:11.800 Oh Scott, great talking to take care. 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.600 We've got a news update in about four or five 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.440 minutes here. When we continue, we'll start to get into 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:21.360 the Terry Fiji suspension slash dismissal, slash firing, slash dog 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.160 and Pony show that's about to happen at what ten 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.960 o'clock today when her attorney Terry Thigi's attorney speaks. We'll 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.960 have that live for you and then reaction following here 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:37.640 on seven hundred WLW consequential Tuesday morning. Scott Sloan here, 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.600 seven hundred WLW. Gotch You're covered and control. If you're 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.880 out and about today, take us with you via the 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.240 iHeartRadio app because we will have breaking new sometime at 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:48.520 ten o'clock or thereabouts. There's about to be a press 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.640 conference on the heels of Police Chief Terry Fiji being 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.280 placed on administrative leave. City Manager Cheryl Long tells us 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.120 to leave is pending an internal investigation and the effectiveness 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.320 of our leadership the Cincinnati Police Department, which is interesting 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:04.600 because it was just what about three or four weeks 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:09.359 ago that mayor after had Pirval said crime is down. 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.040 It's fine, crime is down, We're doing good. Things are good. Now. 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.480 There's some areas, central business districts and others where the 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.640 crime is up and personal property crimes like car breaking, said, 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:22.320 that's up, but crime is down. So weeks later we 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:28.160 get the dismissal presumably of Chief Theritary Thesi, which this 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.679 is gonna be a great topic Tomorrow morning at ten 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.200 thirty with Julie Boukie, our career, Shirpoo, and just how 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:39.240 poorly handled this dismissal was. And I say dismissal because 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:41.440 I don't know what to make of this. We don't 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.200 know what's going to happen. At ten o'clock, the attorney 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.960 for Terry Thiji, Steve m who's been on the show before, 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:49.760 a friend of the show, an employment attorney with Finny 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:52.600 Law Firm, and Cincinnati's gonna address this at ten o'clock. 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.480 And I could only imagine he's going to say that 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.560 she did everything that was asked of the city as 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.240 he publicly negotiates the terms of her surrender, and the 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.880 terms of her surrender are going to be extremely generous, 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:08.320 meaning that you, the city tax paper are going to 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:13.119 foot the bill to make Terry Thiji go away. And 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:16.240 it's going to cost a lot of money, money that 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.040 could be better spent on, oh, I don't know, addressing 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:23.359 crime problems or potholes or whatever it might be. But 0:18:23.480 --> 0:18:25.520 that is your guy have to have have at work, 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:27.879 going to spend a lot more of your money to 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.520 covers butt. So we'll see what is said in just 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:34.120 about twenty two minutes or thereabouts. Anyway, as soon as 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:35.760 they break in with that, we'll have it for you 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.440 here on news radio seven hundred WLW. So let's lead 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.240 up to that somewhat here in how things got to 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.080 be and the final straw for Terry Thiji, I guess 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.200 was the Fountain Square shootings, because Pierval I think was 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:50.199 out of adjectives at this point. Every time we had 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:54.840 a violent crime that made headlines, there was another adjective 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:59.359 used and finally said that's enough. This is intolerable, I 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.200 think is the lat one he used and said significant 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:03.159 changes are coming. 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:04.720 Now. 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.480 That was last week and here we are with the 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:10.639 paid administry to leave, the suspension of the chief and 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:15.199 an interim chief appointed. Terry Thiji told cops at that 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.000 time that we're going to make contact with people for 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:20.439 the most minor offenses and the SWAT and civil determined 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.680 team are going to be it's going to look pretty militaristic. 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.720 Militaristic on Thursday and Thursday on football, which, by the way, 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:28.919 did that stop the crime? Maybe on Fountain Square, but 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.879 just a few blocks away literally at the end between 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.880 Tavern gunshots rang out where he had an individual shot 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.119 to death in his car and his BMW at the 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.040 hands of a guy who well shouldn't have had a 0:19:40.040 --> 0:19:41.719 gun in the first place. We'll get into the more 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.359 a little bit later on. Terry Fiji came into the 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:46.760 department in twenty twenty two with the retirement of then 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.439 Chief Elliott Isaac. She was an executive assistant chief at 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:52.600 the time, the first woman to lead the department. In 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.480 the interim, she spent thirty now I believe doing matham 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:57.480 my head here about thirty five years on the job. 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.560 I want to say thereabouts in a Western High school's 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.440 Western Hills High School graduate, married forty years, proud Westsider, 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.520 and I found it interesting because when she took office 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:11.080 in twenty twenty two, just three short years ago, she said, quote, 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:16.000 I am dedicated to ensuring CPD is as inclusive as 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:20.480 possible and will continue being committed to doing the work 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:25.080 of the collaborative Agreement. To that point, Iris Rawley with 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:29.600 the Cincinnati Black United Front actually interviewed all four candidates. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:31.919 I was sending the interview press of all four candidates 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.719 with the goal of advancing the collaborative agreement, that is, 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:40.560 the optics, that is, the circumstances, surroundings and conditions in 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.639 which Terry Fiji moved from executive assistant chief to the 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.160 full time job to the main job, being the main 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:50.000 woman in this case under the guy that well, she's 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.680 a female that checked the box. Which also make it 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.880 interesting in the side, is what's the if they replaced 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:02.639 Terry Fiji with a white dude. That doesn't look good 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.280 when it comes to diversity, it right, because a lot 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:07.679 of the times when you know, when Chief Elliott Isaac 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:10.720 left or when a previous chiefs left, is like, well, 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:12.520 you know, you can't replace a black guy with a 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:14.679 white guy, or you can in this case reb well 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:16.720 a woman with a guy. I just it's it doesn't 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.119 look good. And so it's interesting how all of the 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:23.399 you know, the diversity and the DEI and all that 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.920 stuff goes out the window when bullets are flying around 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:28.080 and you have a you know, and it's threatening your 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:32.119 occupation as a professional politician like Aftaed Piervall into a 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:32.960 degree shir along. 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:34.240 Very interesting. 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.560 So we'll see if the first woman hired a Cincinnati 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:41.240 police chief, if they replace her with another woman because 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:46.560 of well, you know, DEI and I may you know, 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:48.880 it could be a black man, black woman woman man. 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.440 I don't care just hire someone who's competent. Be course, 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:54.159 the problem is the fact that they're hamsterring by the 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:57.640 mayor's office, something that people voted for back in two 0:21:57.680 --> 0:21:59.960 thousand and one with Issue five that said you know 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:04.280 longer know you know. Basically, the FOP has no say 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:07.639 we're going to go outside of Cincinnati hire the best candidate. Well, 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:10.640 you know, the guy's the best candidate. There's a lot 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:12.360 of ifs in there, there's a lot of qualifiers, there's 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:14.600 a lot of ISM's in there, you know, sexism, racism, 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.000 et cetera. Instead of finding the best person, we have 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:19.400 to find a person who looks diverse, so to check 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:22.920 the diversity box first. I'm not saying certainly diversity I 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:25.320 think is a good thing, but it has to be natural, 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.159 has to be organic. And also what about hiring the 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:29.800 best person for the job and then letting them do 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:31.760 what they do. I think that's the problem here because 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:34.520 it's pretty clear regardless that she's a woman, or she's 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:36.119 a white woman or a black woman, that doesn't bean 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:39.480 disabled it I don't care. Just find someone who's competent 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:42.000 and let them do the job. We don't have that 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.280 because they Issue five and can control the mayor's office. 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:46.119 So when she comes to office and the first thing 0:22:46.160 --> 0:22:50.040 she says three years ago, is is it about you know? 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:52.560 Is it about juvenile crime? It's about bad guys, it's 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:54.520 about guns on the streets, it's about public sip. No, 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:57.159 it's about being inclusive and working in the confides of 0:22:57.200 --> 0:22:59.560 collaborative agreement that led to where we are now three 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.359 years later. Just pointing that out, How is that on 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.480 Terry Thiji. I don't see it because she is just 0:23:05.520 --> 0:23:08.080 simply playing by the boy. If you want the job 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:10.680 and the title of police chief and everything that goes 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:13.159 along with that, the heartaches, the headaches, but also the 0:23:13.160 --> 0:23:17.719 compensation and the notoriety because you're going to go and 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:19.480 make a lot more money as a consultant, probably there 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.240 is a police chief. But nonetheless, if that's the rules 0:23:22.280 --> 0:23:23.920 of the game and engagement, you want that job, and 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.400 who wouldn't want that job, then you're gonna do and say, 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:30.000 enact and dance the song the piper's calling, and the 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.720 piper is the mayor. I think we got to get 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:34.159 I think we made a mistake in two thousand and 0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:36.920 one when voters said, hey, yeah, that's what we want. 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:39.840 I think what you need to do. You need to 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:41.640 have somebody in there who's going to be a good 0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:47.600 cop there not punitive, enforce the laws, take the bad 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:50.080 guys off the street, put them away, work with the 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:54.280 prosecutor's office, do all that stuff, be accountable, but also 0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:59.880 be a cop. And we've got, unfortunately, people who are 0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:03.320 theatrical I think in a way if you want to 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:04.560 put it that way, because I think there's a lot 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:06.919 of theatrics with what's going on here too. But you know, 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:10.440 just again, you're hired. Your job is to enforce the 0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:12.440 laws and make sure that the bad guys are segregated 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:14.560 from the good guys. There's very very few, really really 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:16.080 bad people out there. We need to make sure they 0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:18.240 don't socialize with the rest of us. That's all this is. 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.280 But when you put all these other artificial whims in there, 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:26.879 it doesn't help. So Terry Thiji, just last year she 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:28.960 was remember when she showed up to the school board 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:32.040 meeting to do a I think it was a prevent 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:34.600 youth violence thing. She went at metro stations. Look, we 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:37.440 had thirty arrests last year. I think during the month 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:40.359 of August, I think right before school there was a 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:42.760 bunch of arrests because kids are hanging around the Metro 0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:45.720 station again and Government Square causing problems. And of course 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:47.920 that's because the juvenile justice system is broken. It's a 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.600 way too lenient and police round them up and then 0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:52.360 the judges don't put the fear of God into them 0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:53.879 to make them do it again, and they send them 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:55.240 off with a slap on the wrist and they go 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:57.760 out and they do far worse stuff. And so cops 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.239 on the street are undermined. I don't know how that 0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:04.040 is on the chief of police. This summer, we had 0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:07.000 multiple shootings. Fourth of July weekend was not a good one. 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:08.960 We had three at the banks and s Melbourne Front Park. 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:10.399 We had a fourteen year old killed. We had the 0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:13.480 street takeover in Clifton, which Teve Gooden talks about because 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:15.920 cops and our fire couldn't go on runs and they're delayed, 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:20.200 and we had two cops the target of gunfire in Clifton. 0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:22.359 And that's when the chief yelled at the media about 0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:24.320 they need to be more honest and transparent. That was 0:25:24.359 --> 0:25:27.920 the whole you know what crime is down? Well now 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:29.879 the chiefs yell at the media about being more honest 0:25:29.880 --> 0:25:34.800 about things. And now where's is this homisty there? So 0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:37.240 I saw that when we heard they're yelling at the 0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:42.240 media about being more transparent, more honest about reporting. She's 0:25:42.320 --> 0:25:45.679 just covering for the mayor. So she was again dancing 0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:49.560 the dance. Mayor's playing the tune. Just tell people the 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:51.400 crime is fine, there's not a crime problem. We're good. 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:55.400 The numbers don't back that up. Well, when you sit 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:57.040 there and luxury people and say you need to learn 0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:58.920 how to behave in your city, and you become a meme, 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:06.480 you know, the police chief, Mama mem I think you 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:09.199 kind of lose your your juice there, and that's what 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:11.919 happened with Terry Thiji. Yeah, look overall, how much is 0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:13.920 this on her? I don't know very little about. I 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.439 would say, now, talk to your average beat cop. I 0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:17.840 know that there are a lot of cops aren't happy 0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:20.159 with Terry Thigi. But again, this is someone who is 0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:25.040 hired by an administration to carry out the diversity, equity 0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:27.720 and inclusivity. And she said that when she was hired 0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.800 because that was hitting her head by after pival By, 0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:33.640 sheer long by Iris Rawley and all the others getting 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:36.240 in her ear. Like, this isn't about policing, this is 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:42.280 about diversity, and how could that possibly surprise you that 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.560 we are where we are three years three short years 0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:46.639 later and the person who said, okay, these are the 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:47.879 terms of the condition of my opponent. 0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:48.160 Great. 0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:50.159 You know, I don't know about you. You show up to work, 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:52.640 your boss tells you to do something. Here's the job 0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:54.480 here's going to hire you to do, and these are 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:59.560 the the parameters of your job. Generally, most sane people go, okay, 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:03.640 I'll do what they ask I will do my job. 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:07.520 When the parameters established by the man, no one's going 0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:09.320 to go. Very few people are going to I'm gonna 0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:10.920 do my own I'm gonna go rogue here. That that's 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:12.920 not going to be good for your longevity in that company. 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.200 I'd imagine the same as true to the police chief. 0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:19.720 But just let's look at the construct in which she 0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:23.399 came into office and what she was guided by initially. 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:25.560 And this was not long ago. We had the Cincinnati 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.400 Crime Plan, remember this. They kind of downplayed this one 0:27:28.440 --> 0:27:30.480 when we had a you know, the idea is we've 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:34.399 got too many kids getting guns. And the end result 0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:36.399 after this is we have now more kids getting guns. 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:38.840 So how did this work? We downplayed the Cincinnatia because 0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.400 they want to do diversion instead of a youth gun 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:46.400 possession cases instead of formal prosecution, especially for first time offenders. 0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.040 And we're going to limit the detention for youth charged 0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.320 with gun possession and eliminate the transfers. We're not going 0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:53.080 to kick them up to adult court anymore. And we 0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:56.639 need more community based violence interruption programs. How is that working? 0:27:56.640 --> 0:27:59.600 Where's all that money going? Safe to say, I think 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:01.000 a lot of it is going to the pockets of 0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.720 people who don't really have a plan, but they got 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:06.240 their hand out. And there's a lot of government every 0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:07.760 time we pass something, you know, the four and a 0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:09.720 half million dollars we give the cops. You start to 0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:11.320 look in the details of that and I haven't had 0:28:11.359 --> 0:28:14.040 time or the inclination to do it, but you start 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:15.480 looking at that, it go wow, Look at up the programs. 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:17.760 Look at my handouts in this community, this community memborgangs 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:19.520 and somebody is getting this and we've got this program 0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:21.840 and there's no accountability for any of this stuff. It's 0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.320 just paying people off to go along with the plan. 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:29.199 But the plan doesn't work now in retrospect of the 0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:33.800 summer offering diversion and limiting youth detention and all that stuff. 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.760 The optics of this aren't very good. You know, when 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.800 Terry Ethigi comes into office and she says in her 0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:44.880 press conference, and this is about continuing diversity, equity, inclusion, 0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.520 this is about the collaborative agreement. And she's looking at 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:50.480 Iris Rawley, and she's looking at your along and she's 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.040 looking at them and all these things, and then you know, 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.600 you're a few three years later we have the literally 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:58.760 the wheelswalling off the cart. What happened all those programs 0:28:58.800 --> 0:29:01.600 one of those grand ideas well, those those are the 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.880 conditions in which we were taught by the people who 0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.600 are holding the carrot out that is the job. Then 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.200 you're gonna do everything to get that carrot. I don't 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.240 see how any of this is on Terry Thiji. What 0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:15.720 was the response from the city when we started having 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:17.160 a lot more of this crime? This is way, but 0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.840 this is before Patrick Herringer got shot and everything the 0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:22.320 city spent. I think I had Kramereding on talking about 0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:25.600 this two hundred thousand dollars to keep the red bike 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:28.320 program in Cincinnati going, and we spent like two million 0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:30.800 dollars over the years on the Red Bikes. So Cheryl 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.000 Long comes out and says, well, we know that the 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.920 bikes and the scooters are being used as tools to 0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:38.920 commit property crimes and steal guns and help criminals of 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.200 aid comps. And so what we're gonna do now is 0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:46.640 we're going to shut down the Red Bikes. What then 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.920 they doubled down? Went Okay, Hamila County Probation Department. Here's 0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:51.120 what we're gonna do. We're coming up with a new 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:53.480 model here because we got to do something serious. We're 0:29:53.480 --> 0:29:56.640 going to take thirty probation field officers and cut that 0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.760 down to six. So we've got six probation officers doing home. 0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.400 It's for thirty eight hundred convicted felons. That's one forever 0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:06.440 six hundred and thirtyth offenders, one for six hundred. Because 0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:10.600 we're going to centralize our parole department instead of having substations. 0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:11.720 Does that make any sense? 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:17.400 Then Patrick Harringer's murder comes along. Mordecai Black Murder, aggravated 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:21.960 burglary kills. This guy stabs him in the neck inside 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:23.640 his home on East mcmack and his wife, his poor 0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:25.680 wife's standing right there, a tragedy made worse by the 0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:27.640 fact shouldn't have never been out of jail, and the 0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:29.840 indifference of city leaders is the worst part about that. 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:32.200 We had two cops on patrol that night in all 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.680 of OTR and a guy's walking around with the machete 0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:36.720 and nobody saw him because we're one hundred and fifty 0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:40.280 cops short. How is that on Terry Fiji. Terry Thiji 0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.479 would have fifteen hundred cops if we're up to her, like, 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:46.240 I want more cops on the job, not fewer. And 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.400 Mordecai Black's jacket, he had thirty four cases about four 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:52.880 pages of crime on this pos over the last twenty years. 0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:56.240 And then to add insult to injury. And then something 0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:59.360 no one can explain to this date is why she 0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:03.280 was handcuffed and held for eight hours before released when 0:31:03.280 --> 0:31:04.960 her husband was murdered right in front of her. I 0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:07.840 get that initially it's always the person around closest to 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.560 you who is usually responsible. But it was pretty clear. 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:12.960 I think it did it take eight hours to figure 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:16.760 that out? No now, and the reaction from after that 0:31:16.840 --> 0:31:19.480 pure of all, forty eight hours after his murder on 0:31:19.880 --> 0:31:24.160 X he posts, not about the murder, not about this 0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:28.120 is not acceptable, not talked about opening cutting the ribbon 0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.120 on Logan Commons, which is forty two new affordable homes 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.920 for residents right next to Finley Market. Literally stepped away 0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:38.120 from her. Patrick Herringer was bludgeoned to death, killed murdered 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:40.520 in his throat slit with a machete by Mordecai Block. 0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:41.840 Talk about tone death. 0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:45.400 We had a guy leaving an FC game, and that 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.560 story was tamped down by the city because they're worried 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:50.640 about scaring people away from going to f Sea games. 0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.840 This guy cares about getting re elected. He cares about 0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:59.000 sun dance, he cares about pride, He cares about blaming 0:31:59.040 --> 0:32:01.440 the white guy for the which I haven't even gotten 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:04.840 to yet, and all that stuff. This guy has absolutely 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:08.360 no sense about what it is what you need to 0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:10.440 do to make sure we have law and order. It's 0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.640 not as vocabulary because everything that he subscribes abscribes to 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:16.959 I think has been turned upside down. All his theories 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:20.800 and beliefs about how to run a police department has 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:24.520 been blown up because criminals take advantage of that. Naither day, 0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:27.160 you know, a job as a kid if you're a 0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:28.640 little kid. Is to try and get away as much 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:32.560 crap as you can. The job of a criminal is that, 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:34.600 but on a much more serious level, because you have 0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:38.040 real victims in here. You don't have kids sneaking cookies, right, 0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:40.440 stealing change at a mom's purse or something like that, 0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:46.040 trying to jump out a window to escape curfew. You 0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:47.960 have people who are praying out of the people, Mordecai 0:32:48.000 --> 0:32:50.960 Black and others. And the answer is that, hey, you 0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:52.680 know what, we got to start splitting wigs here. We 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:54.080 got to go after these people. We got to put 0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:56.240 them behind bars. We've got to quit, do you know, 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.640 we quit releasing their own recognizance. We got to make 0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:01.760 sure that the cops are not out there. We don't 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:03.440 want to talk to people. We don't want to stop 0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:07.080 people for jaywalking. We don't want to stop someone iris 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:09.560 rawling in telling a cop what to do when they're 0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:13.000 hooking someone because they've they're wanted, No, you can't do that. 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:14.600 You got to let them go. Well, wait a minute, 0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:16.200 they're wanted, they've been worn out for their arrest. 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.360 No you can't. You're harassing them. You have rights too. 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:21.360 We're listening to that element instead of common sense and 0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.160 says there are people out there that are going to 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:27.560 take advantage of how naive you are. And I didn't 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:29.280 even get to things like, you know, the food trucks 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:31.560 being done at eleven o'clock and all those other nonsense. 0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.000 And then finally, because of all these failed policies grasping 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:38.640 its draws and doing everything in your power to ignore 0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:41.120 the real problem, you then turn around and go, well, 0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:43.120 I guess we're gonna have to let the chief go. 0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.760 How in the hell is this on the chief? Steven 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:50.360 m is an attorney with the Finny Law firm. He 0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:52.840 is a unemployment lawyer. He's a really good one. I've 0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:55.000 had him on a few times on my show. He 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:58.160 is also representing, by the way, talking about checked up 0:33:58.160 --> 0:34:02.680 the city, is the former chief of fire fire chief 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:05.120 in the city, mister Washington. He's repping him in his 0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:07.600 dismissal as well. So now he's gonna rep Thigi And 0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:09.880 i'd imagine so I got some stuff to say. So 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:11.840 when he breaks out, we will break in at sometime 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.600 at ten o'clock or thereafter, we'll have that press confidence 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:16.680 for you live. I don't think Cigi will be there. 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:18.799 If she is, she won't talk, but I'm guessing it's 0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:21.319 just gonna be Steve im in a podium and I'm 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:22.759 interested to hear what he has to say about this 0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:24.879 whole situation I just laid out for you. I don't 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.600 see how much of this, if any, is on Chief Thigi. 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:30.000 I see a lot of it on a fouled administration 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:34.680 that's doing everything to grasp and fight to stay in power. Meanwhile, 0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:36.880 how much is it gonna cost you, mister and missus 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:41.759 stax Bear to pay Terry Thigi off because of this incompetence, Well, 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:45.359 we're gonna find out. Coming up Scott's Loan News Radio 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:49.439 seven hundred wl All right, catching up here Scott's Loan 0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.680 seven hundred WLW Live. You heard the voice of Stephen 0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:56.520 m attorney from the Finny Law firm for Terry Thigi. 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.160 She's on paid administrative leave as chief from the City 0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:04.960 of Cincinnati, standing behind in the civilian clothes, not speaking. Obviously, 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:07.240 let the lawyer do the talking, for she's always smart. 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.600 We've heard that Terry Thiji, a cops cop here, a 0:35:10.680 --> 0:35:13.080 long family cops and law enforcement in Cincinnati from the 0:35:13.120 --> 0:35:15.959 West Side, was asked to resign. She refused because there's 0:35:15.960 --> 0:35:19.880 no cause. And on her thirty fifth anniversary of her 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:21.920 start on the job as a police office, she finds 0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:24.799 out that she's being put on paid administrator to leave, 0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:26.839 meaning we're looking for reasons. Now we don't have reason 0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:28.920 to fire you. We're looking for reasons, and we're going 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.160 to put you on unpaid administrative leave. So what we 0:35:31.200 --> 0:35:34.040 got right now is a good old standoff. If she stays, 0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:37.280 she gets the authority to do her job. If she goes, 0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.440 it's going to cost you and missus taxpayer millions and 0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.000 millions of dollars that you can will afford, and it 0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:46.560 doesn't really solve the issue on this with some instant reaction. 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:49.400 Is the president of the Queen City Lodge of the FOP, 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:51.520 that's Ken Kober, can't appreciate you jumping in this. 0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.800 Morning, sure thanks to miss step. 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:55.960 Looks like the no confidence vote you had for this 0:35:56.040 --> 0:36:00.560 administration really really stands up at this point, doesn't it. 0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:04.040 Yeah, I mean they've fumbled this from the get go. 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:06.560 You have the chief fly across the country, only the 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:09.600 land in Denver, you to go to a conference representing 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:11.799 the city in the police department, only to tell her 0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:14.480 to come home, and then I mean, what we've seen 0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:17.200 over the last five days is just absolutely they fumbled 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:18.040 this whole thing. 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:18.720 It's terrible. 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:23.600 Well, in addition to that, the person they appointed chief, Henny, 0:36:24.000 --> 0:36:26.920 is the interim chief now and according to Sheer Loong 0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.759 City Manager, she said he has my full support. I'm 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:32.080 confident in his leadership. I don't know if he's doing 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.200 the next chief, but this is the command officer who 0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.200 signed a citation against the white guy in the in 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:39.240 the brawl in July at the urging of the mayor, 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:43.399 which is purely political, not criminal. Even though Henny wasn't 0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:46.640 on the scene. He ran the Central business district and 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:48.680 that had the highest spike in crime this year. The 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:50.600 optics of that are bad for the it gets. It 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:52.200 goes from bad to worse for these guys. 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.680 Yeah, I'll tell you the optics are certainly not good. 0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:58.880 But I will say this about Colonel Henny. As you 0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:02.680 know that hold the he was doing nothing but protecting 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:05.960 investigators from having to do what they just said I'm 0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:08.200 not going to do and instead of them facing the 0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.320 consequences for standing up to it, you know, he stepped 0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:13.120 in and he protected cops, which is something that we 0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:14.000 certainly all appreciate it. 0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:16.120 Yeah, I agree with that from a cops perspective, like 0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:17.440 he got our backs. I'm not going to let the 0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:20.359 rank and file take take the fall on this. But again, 0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:23.400 I don't know what the ethic. I think that's pretty 0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:25.960 unethical though, is that you're told by the mayor to 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:28.399 do something. It's like, that's not how our justice system works. 0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:30.800 As much as these people spend complaining about Donald Trump, 0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:33.560 you just did the exact same thing that you're allegedly against. 0:37:33.560 --> 0:37:36.960 But I digress a little bit. The other thing, too, 0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:39.719 is if she were effective as chief, why would we 0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:41.440 have so much violent crime? I think that's the big 0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:44.080 question here, is like, well, violent crime has continue to 0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:45.600 go up. The optics are bad on this. We have 0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:47.560 Fountain Square, we had the shooting in front of the 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:49.680 in between. It just keeps coming and coming and coming 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.719 despite what we do. And yet it wasn't all long ago. 0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:54.799 He said, Hey, you know, things are effective. She's doing 0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.000 a good job. I mean, if you're effective at something, 0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:58.919 we should have less violent crime, not more. 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.040 Well, this just proves what we know all along, and it 0:38:02.080 --> 0:38:04.319 proves what I've been saying all along, which is we 0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:07.080 need to keep politics out of policing. And when you 0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:10.359 have the city manager, the mayor who over over at 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:12.799 City Hall, is telling her what she can and can't do, 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:18.239 it's proving that that's failing. Chief Deji has the ability 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.400 to be an effective police chief. Unfortunately she's not given 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.560 that ability right now, and when she's told what to 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.399 do by city Hall, she's told what she can can't do. 0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:28.480 The end result is that this is what we have. 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:31.360 And this is ultimately why you know, the rank and 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:34.080 file voted for voting no confidence against the mayor because 0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:36.920 they should allow the chief independently to do what she 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.239 wants to do. And if she was screwing it up them, 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:40.360 then by all means. 0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:40.920 Do something about it. 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:42.880 But the fact that they didn't fire their asking her 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:44.640 to resign says everything you need to know. 0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:47.680 Yeah, and this isn't her exit. This is about keeping yours, 0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:50.440 what Steve im said. So she has no desire to 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:52.920 go quietly. Actually she's going to go rather violently, and 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:54.319 it's going to cost a lot of money to make 0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:57.399 her go away. I'm just wondering would the city give 0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.879 up authority because this is issue five. So let's talk about 0:38:59.880 --> 0:39:02.200 that at the background, and that It came after Timothy 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.160 Thomas was shot and killed in two thousand and one 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:05.360 caused the riots. 0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:06.600 We had a charter amendment. 0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:08.799 The issue that passed I believe in November that year 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:10.879 with just over fifty percent of the vote, I think 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:13.920 fifty fifty one to fifty two percent. But essentially the 0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:16.040 Issue five you've mentioned that a lot ken is that 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.759 the city manager in this case shere along as the 0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:21.280 power to hire and fire a police chief, fire chief, 0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:25.200 department heads at whim at will, and there's no balance 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:26.920 in that whatsoever. In the past, it used to be 0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:28.520 the FOP you guys had a little bit of a 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:30.759 say in that. You don't have that anymore. Is that 0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:31.360 what led to this? 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:33.640 Well, sure, you know. 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:36.799 And ultimately with that passing allowing one person to have 0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:40.920 sole authority as to whether you fire a police chief 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:44.000 or a fire chief. It's been proven with the fire chief. 0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:46.319 It's now been proven with what's going on with Chief 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.480 Figi that this is a terrible idea. There has to 0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:53.000 be changes to Issue five, otherwise we're going to continue 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:54.799 to see the same thing. It doesn't matter who you 0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:57.960 make the police chief, as long as city Hall still 0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:00.040 is making the decisions. As to what's going to go 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:01.120 along with the police department. 0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:02.239 This is what we're going to have. 0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.359 Yeah, he's Ken Cobert, President the FOP. The reaction to 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:08.080 Attorney Steve Imms press conference he heard live on seven 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.759 hundred Wow and on the stream via the iHeart radio 0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:13.560 app too, and that is saying we're fighting this. We're 0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.640 not gonna let Terry Thiji take essentially be a sacrificial 0:40:16.719 --> 0:40:18.680 lamb is what he called her, and said, this whole 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:22.120 thing is disappointing, and there's no justification or cause, which 0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:24.759 is a legal term, no cause because she took no 0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:27.600 action or inaction on her part to cause her termination 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:29.960 or it looks like at least her suspension no wrongdoing. 0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:32.440 And they're going to fight this thing tooth and nail 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.479 and we'll see what happens. But relative to Issue five 0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:37.799 in this case, I had some notes here from back 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.160 in the day in two thousand and one, the manager 0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:43.120 for Issue five that we're talking about here said, this 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.640 is how other cities do it, and of course, you know, 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:47.400 if other cities do it well, then it's got to 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:51.040 be successful for Cincinnati. At the time, your predecessor, Keith Fegman, 0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:55.040 remember Keith Keith was the fop P president and said, 0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:58.239 what's going to happen is it's going to politicize departments. 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:01.840 What's going to happen is you're going to have politicians 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:05.480 making decisions of law enforcement, and anytime that something happens, 0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:08.160 it's bad. The chief is going to be a sacrificial 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.759 lan We'll have a revolving door. And in that case 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:13.520 he illustrated the Cleveland when they implemented this, they went 0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:16.520 through nine police chiefs I believe in less than eight 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:20.040 years because of the system. And now Terry Thiji's gone 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:22.839 after what three not quite three, we had a chief 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.080 before them. It's just going to be a revolving door 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:29.000 because the political will power exists and there's cover, politically speaking, 0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:32.080 to terminate the chief when in fact it's not the chief. 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.080 It's kind of like our foot our sports teams can 0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:38.200 it's it's never the coach, the assistant coach, the line cut, 0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:40.200 it's always the ownership in the front office. 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:42.680 That's what he's saying without a doubt. 0:41:42.760 --> 0:41:45.080 I mean, Keith, he was spot on when he said it. 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:48.240 That was twenty four years ago. We saw with James Craig, 0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:51.320 he was the first chief to hire outside this police department. 0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:52.719 To rank and file loved him. 0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:55.759 He refused to cave to pressure from city hall, and 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:58.239 after two years they went thanks, but no thanks for gone. 0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:00.200 You know, we got another chief that came in at 0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:03.880 eighteen months they fired him. So this is no surprise 0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:06.239 that this has all coming to fruition and it needs 0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:06.840 a change. 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:10.359 Can this change before you overturn issue fiation five? I'd 0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:12.719 have to go back on the ballot. You'd have to 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:14.920 figure out how to work around that because there was 0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:17.279 a charter amendment that passed in two thousand and one. 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.160 A lot of work to overdo that, and the will 0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:22.000 of the voters, of course, But can chiefde Is there 0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:23.960 room for her to come back and do her job? 0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.080 I don't know why she'd want to at this point, 0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:29.120 the way that she's been treated. I mean, you treat 0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.759 somebody as thirty five years you've given to the city 0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:33.600 and this is how you're being treated. And I can 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:35.160 tell you right now the cops are going. If they're 0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:36.360 going to do this to the chief, what will they 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:39.279 do to me. I don't know why you would want 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:42.319 to come back. I just don't see a scenario where 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:45.879 that happens, because then she's going to be constantly looking 0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:46.560 at her shoulder. 0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:49.000 What are they going to do to me next? I 0:42:49.040 --> 0:42:49.640 feel for them. 0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:52.120 Like I said, this fight with the FOP in the 0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:55.080 city is just as much about Chief Fiji as it 0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.319 is for the next chief, For the chief after that, 0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.680 that chief fifty years from now, there has got to 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:01.520 be made. And if I have to put all the 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:04.359 effort in the world to the FOP to make sure 0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:06.719 that Issue five is changed, and that's exactly what we're 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:07.080 going to do. 0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:08.280 Ken Kober. 0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:11.000 The name that was mentioned that cause Steve m to 0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:15.000 just simply pause, consider it and then say, I can't 0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:17.359 comment on that was the name Iris Rawley. How much 0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:20.680 how many fingerprints are on this her fingerprints are on 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:21.560 what's happening right now. 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.600 You know, it's hard saying it wouldn't surprise me. But 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.040 the problem is there was no transparency at city hall. 0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:30.720 That is the absolute problem. You had the mayor say 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:34.480 after the press conference that we're exploring all options, we're 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:36.200 not sure if the chief's going to stay or not, 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:38.880 and then all of a sudden, you know, nothing happens, 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:40.680 and then the mayor comes out and says, oh, this 0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:41.640 is show a long decision. 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:43.560 It's not my decision, it's hers. 0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:45.480 And of course then she makes the decision. Oh, I 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:49.360 completely support her decision. It's just the lack of transparency 0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:51.399 is staggering coming from city Hall. 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.360 Well, the fact of the matter, she goes to Denver, 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.799 she gets recalled, there's an urgent message, there's an urgent 0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:59.000 issue in Cincinnati. We already had the Fountain Square shootings 0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:01.720 at this point, she's off to Denver. She comes back 0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:03.640 and now they go, well, we're going to suspend, you'll 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:06.399 put you on paid leave. Why, Well, we can't say. 0:44:06.400 --> 0:44:08.799 We don't know, but here's the interim chief. And this 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.560 whole thing has been handled so poorly in drag eff 0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:14.279 for said, but it's decision after decision like this, you know, 0:44:14.360 --> 0:44:17.640 like one way after food carts and red bikes, in 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:20.840 breaking up the probation departments, all these things that actually 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.400 made crime worse or had no impact on whatsoever. And 0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:26.400 now ultimately the last thing they have, the last quiver 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:30.200 in their arsenal, is firing the chief. And I'll point 0:44:30.200 --> 0:44:31.840 out ken I read this earlier in the show, and 0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.279 I think it's worth pointing out again that when she 0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:36.720 was hired in twenty twenty two to replace Elliott Isaac. 0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:39.920 She was an executive assistant chief, first woman to lead 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:43.759 the department, and she said in her first interview or 0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:47.880 her swearing in, her priorities upon taking office were dedicated 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:51.399 to cheering CPD is as inclusive as possible, and I'm 0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:55.200 committed wholeheartedly to continuing the work of the collaborative Agreement. 0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:58.920 That sounds like someone who's saying that because she know 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:00.759 how she got the job, Like those are the marching 0:45:00.840 --> 0:45:04.240 orders she was given by the administration as opposed to well, 0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:05.439 dealing with street level crime. 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:07.239 Yeah. 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.680 Absolutely, And you know, it's funny how this is all transpiring. Now, 0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:13.120 It's like making an arrest and then deciding what the 0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:17.480 crime is. I mean, that's literally, that's. 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:19.759 How ridiculous this is. We're going to put you on 0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:21.120 leave until we can figure. 0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:23.320 Out why it is that we're actually going to fire you, 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:25.480 and then we're going to do it. It's it's absolutely nonsense. 0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:29.279 And the rank and file recognizes that. You're regardless of 0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:32.279 how they feel about her as the chief, how they 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.840 feel about her as a police officer, none of that matters. 0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:36.480 The rank and files well, and this is at right 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:39.120 to treat somebody this way, and that's why I said 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:40.960 that the police department of the rank and file has 0:45:40.960 --> 0:45:42.839 certainly been united over this. 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:46.399 Well, it's a terrible thing, and that normally, if you're 0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:48.680 looking to get rid of somebody, and I've worked for 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.080 places and work for places where they're always looking to 0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:54.040 you know, cut, cut some baggage, lose, they build a file. 0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:56.760 They go, okay, well this person is doing this. Okay, 0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:58.920 we've got a file. We've got to and you build 0:45:59.000 --> 0:46:01.560 a history so that if you have to terminate someone, 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:03.960 you can point to that and go, it's not discrimination, 0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:06.960 it's for cause. Here's the causes. They don't have that here. 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:10.879 They suspended her paid administrative leave, and now they're looking 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:12.799 for reasons to go back and say, here's why we 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:16.000 put you on leave. And this could go on for 0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:17.799 weeks and weeks and weeks to try and funds find 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:19.799 some dirt on Terry Thiji that may or may not 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:21.960 probably doesn't exist because you would have. 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.560 Had this stuff already, right exactly. 0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:27.520 And I guess that does have a chilling effect in 0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:30.440 police officers. But you know, we also mentioned that the 0:46:30.440 --> 0:46:32.480 city just went in their pocket for money, even more 0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:36.399 money another four and a half million dollars to pay 0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:38.520 police officer try and recruit police office because as you know, 0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:40.640 and you often said, were what one hundred and thirty 0:46:40.680 --> 0:46:43.160 to one hundred and fifty cops down? Which is also 0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:45.160 part of the problem too, because we've spent money out 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:47.719 of the other stupid things not getting keeping boots on 0:46:47.719 --> 0:46:49.920 the ground. But what does that due to recruitment efforts? 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.399 And Simmon sees this from I don't know, we're talking 0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:55.480 about lateral recruitments, meaning you're stealing cops from other jurisdictions, 0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:58.000 go come to shiny sunny Cincinnati and work here. 0:46:58.040 --> 0:46:58.480 It's great. 0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:02.160 How does that undermine the cause that you're trying to do, 0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.560 and that is getting more cops signed up, not less. 0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:07.399 This to me sounds like it make cops want to leave, 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:07.839 not to stay. 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:10.239 Without a doubt, I mean it is. 0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:13.239 It is certainly going to have a devastating effect on 0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:16.600 retention because we're going to see even more people as 0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:18.319 soon as they get twenty five years on that leave 0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:21.400 and then anybody that actually pays to pays attention to 0:47:21.440 --> 0:47:23.919 the media, Uh, they're not gonna want to come here. 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:27.239 So it's gonna it's gonna also affect recruiting, and it's 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.440 just every time we finally get out of the news 0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:33.240 over the you know, the attack at Fourth and Elm 0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:36.000 and how that was handled, and we finally get passed out, 0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:39.200 and then now we have this, and it's just unfortunately 0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:40.799 City Hall seems to not be able to get out 0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:43.279 of their way when it comes to UH dealing with 0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:46.400 these issues, and it's certainly going to have a terrible 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:48.320 impact on recruitment and retention. 0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:51.799 How long you think this drags out? What's your guts set? 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.560 Who knows? I mean weeks? Who knows? I mean it's 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:59.000 already drug out, five or six days? I just who knows. 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:00.760 I hope it quickly. 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:03.480 It's what the men and women of this police department deserve, 0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:06.800 it's what the residents deserve. So just to be handled 0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:09.480 very quickly and let's move on whatever that looks like, 0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:10.040 whether it's. 0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:12.239 Her coming back, her not coming back. They need to 0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:13.840 resolve this very very quickly. 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:17.000 I know the rank and file weren't enamored with Terry Thiji, 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:20.440 but man, what the city just did is solidify every 0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:22.680 man and woman on that thin blue or white line 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:25.920 as it is in Cincinnati, on her side. This is 0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:31.600 incredible yeah, without a doubt. He is Ken Coobert. He 0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:34.640 is the president of the Cincinnati Lodge of the FOP. 0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:37.360 Joining the show with his reaction following the press conference 0:48:37.400 --> 0:48:40.960 involving Terry Figi's administrative paid administrative leaves. They look for 0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.880 reasons to fire her, supposed to having reasons. Now we're 0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:46.279 gonna put you on leave, pay you, and then look 0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:48.839 for reasons to fire you. That's completely as backwards as 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:50.520 it gets her any big city or any city in 0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:53.640 America for that matter. But that's our town, that is Cincinnati, USA. 0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:56.319 Can all the best be safe? Thanks again, all right, 0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:58.320 thanks very much, Dott News on the way, we'll shift 0:48:58.320 --> 0:48:59.840 it up a little bit here. Tim Holloway is the 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.880 resident of the Hamlin County Associations of Chiefs of Police. 0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:06.640 His reaction to this and also some of the areas 0:49:06.640 --> 0:49:08.319 that were pointed out in the press conference. We get 0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:10.600 a chance to get to and that would be judge's 0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:13.600 role in this whole thing, and the accusation by Steve 0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:17.040 m that f Ted Pureval won't engage county judges to 0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:19.480 force them to get tougher when it comes to bond 0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:22.959 and releasing people who are violent criminals on their own recognizance. 0:49:23.280 --> 0:49:29.120 Chief Holloway his reaction next seven hundred WWT, Cincinnati, Scott'slan 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:33.680 Here's News Radio, seven hundred WLW, and Aburago a press 0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:36.000 conference to end all press conferences from the lips of 0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:39.480 Steve m a wonderful employment law attorney with the Finny 0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:41.880 Law Firm. And by the way, Steve is also repping 0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:47.480 former fire Chief Michael Washington for his discounts. His termination 0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:50.760 is the end of his tenureif Chief Fiji Terry Fiji 0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:54.600 on paid administrative leave, present at the press conference and 0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:57.200 civilian clothes, but not speaking, along with her family, who 0:49:57.239 --> 0:50:00.799 collectively have a combined two hundred nine plus years of 0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:03.840 service to Cincinnati. They're all in law enforcement or at 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:06.640 leased in the public service for that matter. Chief Fiji, 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:09.560 on the thirty fifth anniversary of her becoming a cop, 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.040 found out that she was the subject of a secret 0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:16.480 investigation basically with no timeline or reason. And she was 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:19.319 told that we're going to put you on paid administrative 0:50:19.360 --> 0:50:21.840 leave and we're going to point someone else in your stead, 0:50:22.320 --> 0:50:24.400 and you kind of see the writing on the wall. 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.400 I don't think what they saw coming was that she 0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:29.719 was going to fight this and her attorney saying there's 0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:32.640 no justification. There was no cause, in which, if you 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:35.040 know about employment law a little bit, you know the 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:37.400 cause basically means it's something you did. There's no cause, 0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:40.319 so there's no action or inaction on her part. She 0:50:40.400 --> 0:50:43.640 has a spotless record. In called her a sacrificial lamb, 0:50:43.960 --> 0:50:47.520 and she has absolutely no wrongdoing. This was one hundred 0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:49.960 percent at the behest of the mayor was the suggest 0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.120 and the inference there that she is just a political 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:55.040 scapegoat in a pawn. For the bigger part, crime problems 0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.799 that exists not because of Terry Thiji and her incompetence, 0:50:57.920 --> 0:51:01.359 but rather because of the foul policies that may are 0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:03.399 aft to have pure vall chry lung at All won't 0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:06.120 own up to and that that is the real issue. 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:08.480 So how do you fire? You can't fire your way 0:51:08.480 --> 0:51:11.000 out of bad policy, but they're trying to do that. 0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:14.160 And so the end result is Terry Thigi is standing strong. 0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:17.640 She's felt that during your tenure she's been hamstrung by politics. 0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:20.400 You can't do your job. The city, though, issued a 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:23.359 statement from share Long City manager saying public safety is 0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:24.680 our top priority. 0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:25.680 That is the issue. 0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:29.400 Is it really, you know, I would say that, you know, 0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:32.439 if we keep going through chiefs and subordinates, we keep 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:34.960 getting more of the same. It sounds like a metaphor 0:51:34.960 --> 0:51:38.200 for our sports teams here in Cincinnati. Is maybe just 0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:40.640 maybe it ain't the guys on the field, It ain't 0:51:40.680 --> 0:51:44.000 the assistant coaches, it ain't that. Maybe it's the front office. 0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:48.279 Maybe just maybe that's what it is. Nonetheless, joining the 0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:51.080 show this morning with his reaction is the president of 0:51:51.120 --> 0:51:54.360 the Hamilton County Association of Chiefs the Police, and that 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:56.719 would be Tim Holloway. Tim, good morning, how are. 0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:59.120 You no morning, Scott, good to be with you. 0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:01.200 These are the things that make one say thank. I 0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:02.719 may be a police chief, we may have our own 0:52:02.760 --> 0:52:06.440 issues wherever. We are multi the numbers of agencies across 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:09.000 the Hamilton County, but at least we're not the city 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.799 of Cincinnati. I say that tongue in cheek because I 0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:14.440 can't help but think that what's happening in Cincinnati with 0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:18.640 the crime does that affect all of the other jurisdictions 0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:20.880 that are in Cincinnati. Because you represent a number of 0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:24.520 agencies in Hamlin County, the Chiefs of Police Association, Tim 0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:27.560 does the crime problem with Fountain Square and elsewhere in 0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:30.160 the central business have a ripple effect. Does that make 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:30.880 your job harder? 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:33.560 Well, you know, Scott, I think it's one of those 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:38.640 issues where it's a cultural issue inside the Hamilt County 0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:42.600 criminal justice system, and there's a sense from the criminals 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:44.840 and also law enforcement and a lot of the citizens 0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:47.759 that there's not a lot of accountability coming out of 0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:50.360 the Hamilt Kuinting criminal justice system. And that applies to 0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:53.360 crimes that happened in Cincinnati or even there or anywhere 0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:54.160 else in the county. 0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:56.520 Were you shocked when you learn that tiy Thiji was 0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:58.319 on paid administrative leave or do you see this come? 0:53:00.120 --> 0:53:00.239 You know? 0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:04.040 I feel really sorry for Terry. She is a respected 0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:08.080 member of the Hamilcanty Association of Chiefs the Police, and 0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:11.520 what she's having to go through down there, it's really unfortunate. 0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:16.360 I will leave the mechanics of all that to Terry 0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:19.880 and her attorney and the City of Cincinnati to work through. 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:25.520 She is a tremendous amount of knowledge, tremendous amount of experience, 0:53:25.560 --> 0:53:29.080 and as you mentioned, her family's combined experience. I know 0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:33.840 several of her family members. You're talking about a family 0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:38.200 and Chiefdiji in particular, that have demonstrated a long term 0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:41.280 commitment to service and public safety. 0:53:42.760 --> 0:53:46.239 I forget, Tim Refreshman, how many different agencies make up 0:53:46.239 --> 0:53:47.640 the Association Chief the Polace for. 0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:51.000 Hamilcun there's thirty five ass thirty. 0:53:50.719 --> 0:53:53.480 Five And I like I asked Ken Kobra about the 0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:55.080 rank and file, the men and women of the thin 0:53:55.120 --> 0:53:57.040 blue line of the same white line of the Cincinnati 0:53:57.080 --> 0:53:59.400 Police Department. When when you talk to members, you're thirty 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:02.920 five members, typically is Chief needs you looked at favorably? 0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:07.080 I would think so, And to put that in perspective, 0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:11.600 I'll leave that largely for Kencobra to comment on. People 0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:16.040 may find this shocking, but the rank and file police 0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:19.719 officers don't spend a lot of time thinking about chiefdj 0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:22.360 just like the rank and file deputies of the Chrif's 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:24.640 Apartment don't spend a lot of time thinking about Chief Holloway. 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:27.560 You know, we all have our communities that we serve. 0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:31.200 I'll lead Ken Cobra and the rest of the folks 0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:33.600 at Cincinnati offer their opinion. 0:54:33.280 --> 0:54:33.759 On that one. 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:34.359 Tim. 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:35.880 One of the issues that came up, of course, is 0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:40.000 Issue five, and that was a charter rewrite that people 0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:42.400 wanted back in two thousand and one following the riots, 0:54:42.680 --> 0:54:45.640 and we're both around for that, and that is giving 0:54:45.719 --> 0:54:48.440 the city manager in essence, all authority over the chiefs 0:54:48.480 --> 0:54:51.840 of police, fire and leadership. And we saw why that 0:54:51.960 --> 0:54:53.640 was a bad thing. At the time, a lot of 0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:56.800 people thought it was good. There's one entity in Keith Fahman. 0:54:56.920 --> 0:54:59.000 Then the FOP president said this is a bad idea 0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:00.960 because it's going to be a hundred and political and 0:55:01.040 --> 0:55:04.120 any time that there's anytime something like this happens, it's 0:55:04.120 --> 0:55:06.160 going to be a sacrificial lamb. And we saw that 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:08.359 come to fruition today or at least in the last 0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:11.360 week or so. That's not an issue that exists anywhere 0:55:11.440 --> 0:55:15.160 outside of the city. And so I think in other areas, like, 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:17.160 for example, where you are, you have some authority and 0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:20.279 autonomy to do your job and go after bad guys 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:20.960 as you see fit. 0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:26.120 Yeah, Scott, every single police chief in the county is 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:28.840 in largely the same situation, and that is, we have 0:55:28.880 --> 0:55:33.920 an obligation to provide police services to our community consistent 0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:39.600 with that community's expectations, and obviously the elected officials should weigh. 0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:41.920 In with the police use. 0:55:41.800 --> 0:55:44.279 On their opinion of what that means. But at the 0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:48.480 end of the day, you hire a police chief for 0:55:48.560 --> 0:55:53.600 their knowledge and experience about law enforcement strategies. The elected 0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:56.000 officials here in Evendale would be a fool to come 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:59.760 to me about tax increment financing or tax abatements because 0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:02.880 that that's not my specially. They should go to somebody 0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:08.560 else for that. And politicians, while they have an opinion 0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:13.600 on goals for law enforcement, they ought to be dictating strategy. 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:15.920 It's not because it's not important to them. It's because 0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:19.440 they don't have the right frame of knowledge and experience 0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:20.719 that a police she has. 0:56:20.920 --> 0:56:23.680 All right, One of the things brought up Tim Holloway 0:56:23.960 --> 0:56:26.520 with this press conference that we carried is that the 0:56:27.920 --> 0:56:30.360 I think I know Steve im said this directly or not, 0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:34.160 but basically the mayor won't engage county judges about low 0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:37.720 bonds in releasing people on their own recogniss o ours 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:39.600 And that's part of the problem here. It's one thing 0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:42.280 to talk about, you know, Terry Thiji in her competence 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:45.320 or incompetence and why she was put on paid administry 0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:48.080 of leaving the politics behind that. It's almost always politics, 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:50.920 and it's an unfortunate situation for Terry and her family, 0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:53.520 and it's also grossly unfair, and it's making people who 0:56:53.600 --> 0:56:55.439 once were on the fence are like not a big 0:56:55.480 --> 0:56:57.840 fan of Terry Thiji come to her defense. And so 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:01.359 it's worked out, I think in that area very well 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:03.920 for her. But when you hear that, the mayor won't 0:57:03.920 --> 0:57:06.640 engage with even talk to judges and say, look, we 0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:09.760 got a problem. You guys keep releasing people on low bond. 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:11.919 They get out and they do worse things. The mayor 0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:13.880 won't even have that conversation. 0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:17.600 Right, that's my understanding. You know, I'm not part of 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:19.920 any of those conversations. I have no direct contact with 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:23.080 the mayor of the City Cincinnati. All I can tell 0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:26.240 you is collectively, the police chiefs in the Hamilton County 0:57:27.200 --> 0:57:30.840 recognize this problem for quite a few years. And Chief 0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:33.840 CGI brought us that challenge a few months ago to 0:57:33.920 --> 0:57:37.000 address some of these systemic issues in the criminal justice system. 0:57:37.080 --> 0:57:40.280 And we are working hard on that and will continue 0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:41.040 to work hard on that. 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:44.280 And d I think is there's multi legs of this stool, right, 0:57:44.320 --> 0:57:46.600 and one of them is enforcement. It's getting tough on 0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:49.760 those who are violing the law. The last edicted Fountain 0:57:49.760 --> 0:57:51.720 Square was like, look, we're gonna have swat, We're gonna 0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:54.000 have operations out there. We're going to stop people and 0:57:54.120 --> 0:57:56.960 talk to them, make contact with people when they violate 0:57:56.960 --> 0:57:59.560 the law, and the slightest it's the broken windows theory policing, 0:57:59.600 --> 0:58:02.760 which seem to work. But the other side of this thing, 0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:04.840 and one of the other areas is the judges in 0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:07.640 the courts themselves. The fact that probation, parole and juvenile 0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:10.720 courts have they yet to talk to the associations. The 0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:12.800 chiefs police had a discussion with you guys. You've had 0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:15.200 open houses and roundtables and everything else, and so far 0:58:15.920 --> 0:58:19.360 they hid behind some sort of judicial canon, some judicial 0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:22.000 code of conduct that prohibits them from sitting down and 0:58:22.040 --> 0:58:25.080 discussing what their mindset is when they release people on 0:58:25.200 --> 0:58:28.200 very low bonds or all are because that would violate 0:58:28.280 --> 0:58:30.000 some sort of judicial code. At the same time, these 0:58:30.000 --> 0:58:31.480 are the same folks who went out when it's time 0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:33.680 to get out the vote and had open houses and 0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:35.920 went out in the community and talked about voting and 0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:38.760 how they're getting good judges on the bench are important. 0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:41.800 So somehow that's different, but the same in that regard though, 0:58:42.760 --> 0:58:45.440 have you yet to have any conversations with the entities 0:58:45.480 --> 0:58:48.040 here that aren't showing up to these roundtables you're holding. 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:54.200 You know, Scott, To the credit of the common Police judges, 0:58:54.240 --> 0:58:57.280 they did invite us down to speak to all them 0:58:57.480 --> 0:59:01.240 and that conversation went very well. Common Please judges and 0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:04.800 municipal judges have come to these community lead listening sessions, 0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:08.480 and we expect that we're gonna be talking with the 0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:13.160 municipal judges sometime next week. But yes, you're right, we 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:16.800 have yet to hear from from Juvenile Court, and we 0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:20.960 have yet to hear from Probation and Parole, and you know, 0:59:21.040 --> 0:59:23.560 all these partners in the criminal just system. We need 0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:27.800 to be working together to make Hamilton County safer. You know, 0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:30.320 people will throw around crime stats a lot, and whether 0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:33.280 it's up three percent this year, four percent next year, 0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:35.640 or whatever it is. At the end of the day, 0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:39.160 we live in a new environment where through social media 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:43.200 and just electronic media in general, people are far better 0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:45.280 informed about I'm in their. 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:46.960 Own community and neighboring communities. 0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:49.880 And the fact of the matter is, if people feel 0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:54.600 unsafe someplace, it doesn't matter what the statistics say, and 0:59:54.640 --> 0:59:57.080 we have an obligation for people to feel safe in 0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:58.640 every community in Hamlin County. 0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:00.720 All Right, we have the press conference ten with Terry 1:00:00.760 --> 1:00:04.360 Thiji and her attorney fighting back, pushing back against the 1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:07.840 claims of either negligence and competence or something along those lines. 1:00:07.880 --> 1:00:10.320 And the fact that, in the words of Steve n 1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:13.480 basically as we came up with a crime, we came 1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:15.560 up with a charge, and then we're still trying to 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:17.120 find out what the crime is. They can't find out 1:00:17.120 --> 1:00:19.160 what the crime is, even though the charge sounds familiar. 1:00:19.160 --> 1:00:22.520 But in that regard, I have Tim holloway on he 1:00:22.640 --> 1:00:25.040 is president of the Hamlet County Associations the Chiefs of Police, 1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:28.040 and his reaction to what transpired today and what's transpired 1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:30.440 with Terry Thiji. And also part of the problems we're 1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:34.439 talking about is the juvenile courts, probation prole departments and 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:38.320 their issue with bonds. You have specific issues relative to this, 1:00:38.360 --> 1:00:40.560 because didn't we just have a case in Coreyville that 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:41.920 to illustrate the absurdity of this. 1:00:43.120 --> 1:00:46.000 Yeah, and I will say this, I'm going to criticize 1:00:46.080 --> 1:00:49.040 Judge Yates on one hand and give him kudos on 1:00:49.080 --> 1:00:53.000 the other hand, I will criticize his decision making process. 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:57.640 There was a shoplift at Kroger and Coreyville, and when 1:00:57.640 --> 1:01:01.600 he was confronted by Kroger secure he resisted them. The 1:01:01.720 --> 1:01:06.760 police were called. Police officers got involved, and when Judge 1:01:06.840 --> 1:01:10.200 Yates got ready to pass bond to his arraignment, what 1:01:10.560 --> 1:01:15.080 Judge Ates knew was that the defendant had arrested and 1:01:15.200 --> 1:01:19.120 mazed a in intact police officer and a security guard 1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:22.240 from Kroker, and there was a series of charges. I 1:01:22.280 --> 1:01:24.880 don't remember what they all were, but there were several 1:01:24.920 --> 1:01:28.640 different felonies, including robbery and felonious assault, and he was 1:01:28.680 --> 1:01:31.520 able to walk out of the courtroom having only to 1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:35.240 post a five hundred dollars bond. Now, to Judge Yates's credit, 1:01:35.320 --> 1:01:37.920 he did respond to media inquiries on this and gave 1:01:38.000 --> 1:01:42.160 his explanation. So I'm glad that he's being transparent and accountable. 1:01:42.520 --> 1:01:46.320 But on the other hand, you know, Judge Yates said 1:01:46.320 --> 1:01:49.600 that one of the responsibilities of bail or judge and 1:01:49.640 --> 1:01:53.400 setting bail is to consider how dangerous the defendant is 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:56.160 and whether they're likely to appear in court. And I 1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:59.400 think when anybody with common sense looks at these facts. 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:03.000 This guy was so bound and determined not to be 1:02:03.120 --> 1:02:07.040 held accountable for a theft that he was willing to 1:02:07.240 --> 1:02:10.680 assault a security guard. He was willing to assault a 1:02:10.680 --> 1:02:14.400 Cincini police officer and spray them with mace and try 1:02:14.440 --> 1:02:17.960 and get away. People like that are dangerous to the community. 1:02:18.360 --> 1:02:21.160 And when he was not even willing to submit to 1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:24.760 an arrest, why would anybody think that this guy's going 1:02:24.800 --> 1:02:26.880 to come back and show up in court voluntarily. 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:28.640 This was clearly a. 1:02:28.560 --> 1:02:31.160 Situation where the judge could have laid up that set 1:02:31.200 --> 1:02:35.520 of facts and had his bond ten to fifteen higher 1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:38.000 than what he did, and it still would have been 1:02:38.000 --> 1:02:40.880 consistent with a lot of other decisions down there. On 1:02:40.920 --> 1:02:44.280 the other hand, Janakio just a few days put a 1:02:44.360 --> 1:02:47.840 two point six million dollar bond on a defendant on 1:02:47.880 --> 1:02:52.640 a plenty's assault charge. So people have the right to 1:02:52.680 --> 1:02:56.000 expect that the judges are going to work to keep 1:02:56.040 --> 1:02:57.360 the community safe. 1:02:57.560 --> 1:02:58.880 Yeah, I mean, just top of my head. 1:02:58.920 --> 1:03:01.520 The way he described that is you have robbery first 1:03:01.560 --> 1:03:05.080 of all, which is the mitigating cause. But then you 1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:09.800 have follows assault, you have obstructing official business, probably you 1:03:09.920 --> 1:03:12.960 have assault on the police officer. There's probably a ton 1:03:12.960 --> 1:03:15.680 of charges involved there, and yet it says, yeah, three 1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:16.720 hundred dollars, that's fine. 1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:23.080 Yeah, it baffles me and you and I talked about 1:03:23.080 --> 1:03:25.560 this before. I'm not looking to take away autonomy and 1:03:25.560 --> 1:03:29.400 discretion from judges. That's not what our afforts are about. 1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:33.000 But it's about making judges that callible for how they 1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:37.600 exercise an autonomy and discretion. And I think I speak 1:03:37.600 --> 1:03:40.080 for a lot of people when when I say that 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:43.240 that bond in that case is unreasonably low. 1:03:43.480 --> 1:03:46.000 And I'll point out too that this happened when middle 1:03:47.080 --> 1:03:49.400 October sometime maybe a couple of weeks ago. 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:52.720 I believe it was like the fourteenth or the fifteenth, 1:03:52.800 --> 1:03:54.000 so just a handful of days ago. 1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:57.760 So this wasn't prior. This was after we had things 1:03:57.800 --> 1:04:02.520 like Patrick Carringer's murder with Mordecai Black, where we had 1:04:02.600 --> 1:04:06.640 assaults downtown. We've had numerous shootings and murders involving people 1:04:06.680 --> 1:04:09.520 who had a weapon under disability. Hell, we just had 1:04:09.520 --> 1:04:12.120 one at Fountain Square. Well, Fountain Square is one of them, 1:04:12.320 --> 1:04:15.200 but also the one near in between Sycamore and Third 1:04:15.400 --> 1:04:17.320 where you had an individual who was wearing an ankle 1:04:17.400 --> 1:04:20.160 monitor shoot to death. Another person in a car for 1:04:20.280 --> 1:04:22.800 reasons we don't know at this point. And this happened 1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:24.480 after all of those things occurred. 1:04:25.520 --> 1:04:26.520 Yeah, so that's true. 1:04:26.800 --> 1:04:27.320 Looking for. 1:04:28.760 --> 1:04:31.320 You look at both the Fountain Square shooting and the 1:04:31.400 --> 1:04:34.120 shooting down in between. You're talking about people with extensive 1:04:34.120 --> 1:04:36.720 criminal history. And in the case of the shooting down 1:04:36.720 --> 1:04:40.680 there in between, the both the defendant and the victim 1:04:40.720 --> 1:04:43.560 had extensive criminal history. And I think that's the point 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:47.360 that we're focused on. It's not a lock everybody up, 1:04:47.360 --> 1:04:49.800 but it's locked the right people up. And there's some 1:04:49.920 --> 1:04:53.360 very dangerous criminals running around Hamilton County, and we need 1:04:53.400 --> 1:04:55.439 to pick out those one hundred to two hundred most 1:04:55.480 --> 1:04:58.640 dangerous criminals, and the entire criminal just system needs to 1:04:58.680 --> 1:05:02.600 figure out how we're going to keep anybody else. 1:05:02.800 --> 1:05:05.080 Yeah, well, well the in between one would happen after. 1:05:05.200 --> 1:05:09.320 But still, you know, you have a long history of 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:12.600 people who say, hey, you know what, Okay, fine, I'll 1:05:12.640 --> 1:05:14.320 go look for a job and I'll be accountable to 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:17.360 probation department there When people just leave minutes after that, 1:05:17.440 --> 1:05:19.480 the ink is even dried in that agreement and they're 1:05:19.480 --> 1:05:23.000 out back committing crimes yet again, and instead of looking 1:05:23.000 --> 1:05:23.400 at and going. 1:05:23.440 --> 1:05:23.560 Well. 1:05:23.600 --> 1:05:25.520 We have people taking advantage of the system. It's time 1:05:25.560 --> 1:05:27.000 to turn the screws down a little bit more than 1:05:27.000 --> 1:05:30.080 the three hundred dollars bond. We have judges just continuing 1:05:30.080 --> 1:05:32.960 to rubber stamp this kind of behavior, and it just 1:05:33.080 --> 1:05:34.800 encouraged go, Hey, three hundred dollars and I can go 1:05:34.840 --> 1:05:37.080 commit more crimes. Good, sign me up. I'll just keep 1:05:37.160 --> 1:05:39.520 lying to the judge and they'll keep slapping me on 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:41.720 the wrist. It's a revolving door of stupidity, is what 1:05:41.760 --> 1:05:44.160 it is. Tim Holloway is the president of the Hamlet 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:45.760 County Association of Chiefs of Police. 1:05:45.760 --> 1:05:47.400 Thanks for jumping this morning, Tim, all the best. 1:05:47.520 --> 1:05:49.560 Be safe, all right, thanks Scott. 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:51.000 Are we get a time out in We've got news 1:05:51.000 --> 1:05:53.200 on the will reset. We'll find out the very latest. 1:05:53.240 --> 1:05:56.960 And the followed continues from the press conference by Steven 1:05:57.000 --> 1:06:00.920 Am at ten o'clock this morning regarding the I guess 1:06:01.280 --> 1:06:04.000 the peaceful surrender of Terry Fiji. She's not going to 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:06.080 go quietly. It's not going to be a peaceful surrender 1:06:06.120 --> 1:06:08.720 at all. It's going to cost the taxpayers of the 1:06:08.720 --> 1:06:11.520 City of Cincinnati millions to make it go away. All 1:06:11.560 --> 1:06:13.280 She wants to do is stay and have more say 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:16.040 in how to police things, which sounds like a reasonable request. 1:06:16.040 --> 1:06:18.560 We'll see how it plays out. More to follow here 1:06:18.680 --> 1:06:20.640 Willie's going to pick us up at twelve oh six day. 1:06:20.640 --> 1:06:21.960 As a matter of fact, we'll be talking about this 1:06:22.000 --> 1:06:25.840 all day long here seven hundred wlbody time to talk. 1:06:25.680 --> 1:06:28.480 About money, how to make it, how to keep it, 1:06:28.760 --> 1:06:35.640 and how to keep others off your stash. This is 1:06:35.720 --> 1:06:37.680 all Worth Advice with Andy Shaeffer. 1:06:38.080 --> 1:06:41.360 All Right, we tap out effecting from the police chief 1:06:41.520 --> 1:06:44.720 thing to well your money, because I hate talking about 1:06:44.760 --> 1:06:47.080 the same thing for hours at a time. Let's talk 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:49.880 about something that you've got more skin and control in 1:06:49.880 --> 1:06:51.520 the game, and that is what's in your wallet or 1:06:51.520 --> 1:06:53.120 maybe not even know all on. That is our buddy, 1:06:53.200 --> 1:06:55.600 Andy Shaffer from all Worth Financial and simply Money. 1:06:55.600 --> 1:06:56.320 Welcome, how are. 1:06:56.240 --> 1:06:57.520 You, Good morning, Scott. 1:06:57.520 --> 1:06:59.840 I'm doing great drama today. We got drama all over 1:06:59.880 --> 1:07:03.160 the place. Drama continues. Let's get into the market stuff. 1:07:03.200 --> 1:07:06.280 And first and foremost, I'm curious yesterday we had a 1:07:06.360 --> 1:07:09.520 huge outage with Amazon Web services. Didn't see what the 1:07:09.560 --> 1:07:10.640 markets did yesterday? 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:12.360 Yeah, we see that. 1:07:12.400 --> 1:07:14.920 Scarce Helliy, because you're talking about a lot of commerce 1:07:14.960 --> 1:07:20.320 getting shut down for a good period yesterday, banking, security, retail, 1:07:20.560 --> 1:07:23.120 all that stuff. When these kind of things happen, what 1:07:23.200 --> 1:07:25.040 kind of impact do they have in the short term? 1:07:25.200 --> 1:07:27.080 On short term, but you know, you wonder if this 1:07:27.120 --> 1:07:29.680 thing went on for days, which is entirely possible with 1:07:29.760 --> 1:07:32.200 the hacks that we've had lately that we've talked about 1:07:32.720 --> 1:07:35.160 the impact that they would have on the markets. 1:07:35.120 --> 1:07:35.560 Not much. 1:07:35.760 --> 1:07:37.920 Well, it depends on what kind of breach it was. 1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:42.480 You know, these types of companies, whether it's Amazon or 1:07:42.560 --> 1:07:46.000 any other big type of retailer, you know, gets hacked 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:48.440 and attempted hacked all the time. And you know, for 1:07:48.520 --> 1:07:50.560 us at all Worth Financial, you know, our second biggest 1:07:50.600 --> 1:07:53.960 department is our technology and security team. So it's very 1:07:53.960 --> 1:07:56.320 important number one to make sure that you continue to 1:07:56.320 --> 1:07:59.680 do business as you always do business, but number two, 1:07:59.800 --> 1:08:02.600 to make sure that nothing nefarious is going on where 1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:05.440 they're trying to, you know, hold this company hostage for 1:08:05.520 --> 1:08:07.960 ransom or whatever it may be. I think in this case, 1:08:08.880 --> 1:08:11.000 you know, as long as Amazon can get back up 1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:13.480 and running fairly quickly, it's not a big deal. But 1:08:13.520 --> 1:08:16.120 if you remember years ago, there was a breach with 1:08:16.200 --> 1:08:21.320 target and a lot of individuals credit was compromised. You know, 1:08:21.360 --> 1:08:23.439 I was one of them. I got a letter said, hey, 1:08:23.479 --> 1:08:25.120 you want to reach out to you know, the three 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:28.120 major credit agencies and probably freeze your credit. That can 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:30.960 have a more serious impact. But the markets did just 1:08:31.000 --> 1:08:35.519 find yesterday didn't have a significant magnificant impact on Amazon 1:08:35.640 --> 1:08:39.040 or economy because it is such a robust company and 1:08:39.080 --> 1:08:40.000 so is our economy. 1:08:40.360 --> 1:08:41.920 Well you're gonna see that someday there we're going to 1:08:42.000 --> 1:08:44.519 have a massive outage like this, and it's really going 1:08:44.560 --> 1:08:47.280 to rock if it went on maybe for a day 1:08:47.360 --> 1:08:50.839 or two or longer. We've seen companies be held hostage 1:08:50.840 --> 1:08:53.559 by malware, you know, kettering health for example, recent local 1:08:53.600 --> 1:08:57.040 example local media spells around here where they were had malware. 1:08:57.360 --> 1:08:59.680 Now that that's certainly probably not gonna affect something as 1:08:59.680 --> 1:09:03.040 big as Amazon, But if we had a major outage 1:09:03.080 --> 1:09:05.360 like that, the markets would just pumble. I would think, 1:09:05.400 --> 1:09:07.479 I just wonder how long we would go without those 1:09:07.520 --> 1:09:09.919 services and with those platforms and now with that commerce 1:09:10.240 --> 1:09:12.880 before that had a effect on what we're talking about. 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:14.000 Yeah, I would like. 1:09:13.960 --> 1:09:17.720 To think these companies are taking the necessary precautions, not 1:09:17.800 --> 1:09:22.040 only for protection but also for troubleshooting and rectifying any 1:09:22.080 --> 1:09:23.920 situation that they have. And like I said, you know, 1:09:23.960 --> 1:09:27.639 most of these companies, the technology and securities teams are massive. 1:09:28.360 --> 1:09:30.400 So I'm not saying that it's never going to happen. 1:09:30.439 --> 1:09:33.439 It probably will, but hopefully, you know, we we have 1:09:33.520 --> 1:09:35.599 the ability to be able to go in, fix it, 1:09:35.840 --> 1:09:38.360 straighten it out, and get back on track to what 1:09:38.400 --> 1:09:40.320 we do in the United States and that's produced and. 1:09:41.840 --> 1:09:43.040 Continue to generate revenue. 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:44.719 You know, I was talking to someone who has vast 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:46.920 knowledge of this and they said, you know, real culprit 1:09:46.960 --> 1:09:49.519 in this whole thing, and what we're talking about this scenario, 1:09:49.840 --> 1:09:52.360 it's private equity. Is that a lot of these huge 1:09:52.439 --> 1:09:54.599 vendors get private equity mont which is great the beginning 1:09:54.600 --> 1:09:56.920 because they can invest in research and development and infrastructure 1:09:56.960 --> 1:09:59.040 all that stuff. But as it goes on and they 1:09:59.080 --> 1:10:02.880 want to continue you know, high returns, high dividends because 1:10:02.880 --> 1:10:05.400 that's what they do, they will then cut corners at 1:10:05.400 --> 1:10:07.439 the software that would keep them on the cutting edge, 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:10.040 and they fall further and further behind, thus causing more 1:10:10.080 --> 1:10:11.800 and more things like this to happen. I think it's 1:10:11.800 --> 1:10:13.320 a really interesting analysis of it. 1:10:14.479 --> 1:10:16.200 I think that would be one of the last steps. 1:10:16.280 --> 1:10:18.559 I have a lot of experience with private equity. You know, 1:10:18.600 --> 1:10:22.280 with with private equity, you know, the saying goes as 1:10:22.280 --> 1:10:24.360 long as you are producing and continuing to be a 1:10:24.360 --> 1:10:27.120 profitable company, private equity usually leaves you alone. It keeps 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:30.439 management in place. You know, they invest in you for 1:10:30.479 --> 1:10:33.880 a reason. They like your outlook for the most part. Now, 1:10:33.920 --> 1:10:36.639 if you start to go sideways and profits start to diminish, 1:10:36.760 --> 1:10:38.960 that's when you know the board gets involved and starts 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:42.200 making cuts and making decisions. But I think for private equity, 1:10:42.280 --> 1:10:44.840 you know they have their investors at heart as well, 1:10:44.960 --> 1:10:50.160 and if you start cutting technology, innovation, protection and security, 1:10:50.600 --> 1:10:52.680 that can not only harm the business that you have, 1:10:52.760 --> 1:10:55.240 but you know, you answer to your investors. So I think, 1:10:55.280 --> 1:10:57.800 you know, if push comes to shove, that's way down 1:10:57.800 --> 1:10:59.800 the list of things that private equity would cut. 1:11:00.040 --> 1:11:02.800 Andy Shaffer with all Worth Financial. We'll pivot to what 1:11:02.920 --> 1:11:05.040 a week ago President Trump said, We're going to hit 1:11:05.120 --> 1:11:07.840 China with one hundred percent terrorists because of the rare 1:11:07.880 --> 1:11:08.800 earth mineral thing. 1:11:09.320 --> 1:11:12.280 And now we're walking that threat back, so more of that. 1:11:13.240 --> 1:11:15.760 Yeah, well, it seems like that's kind of been the 1:11:15.840 --> 1:11:19.080 rhetoric that we've seen. You know, Donald Trump is bombastic, 1:11:19.120 --> 1:11:22.680 and he placed these threats, particularly on China, and you know, 1:11:22.720 --> 1:11:25.240 two fridays ago, we saw the market pull back significantly 1:11:25.280 --> 1:11:28.040 when he threatened those hundred percent tariffs on China. You know, 1:11:28.120 --> 1:11:31.480 that was basically in retaliation for the export of restrictions 1:11:31.520 --> 1:11:34.839 on the rare earth minerals. But late last week President 1:11:34.880 --> 1:11:36.519 walked that back. He said, you know, this is not 1:11:36.560 --> 1:11:39.280 really sustainable to have one hundred percent tariffs on China, 1:11:39.600 --> 1:11:42.439 and the Marcus enjoyed that, and it continued to soften. 1:11:42.520 --> 1:11:45.479 We're going to see Secretary Scott pssent. He's going to 1:11:45.560 --> 1:11:49.280 meet with Chinese Vice President Eye and they will meet 1:11:49.360 --> 1:11:52.000 Malaysia next week to prepare for the meeting between Donald 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:54.559 Trump and Chinese President She later this month. And that's 1:11:54.560 --> 1:11:59.360 important because we have a November tenth tariff deadline that's 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:02.280 still looming with China. So that ninety eight truce that 1:12:02.320 --> 1:12:04.840 we had with China that's about to expire. I think 1:12:04.880 --> 1:12:07.519 the fact that President Trump and President g are still 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:10.720 on track to meet later this month prior to the 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:13.200 end of that ninety day truce and that November tenth 1:12:13.280 --> 1:12:16.760 deadline is positive and I think the markets have reflected. 1:12:16.400 --> 1:12:18.200 That even with that, we're going to threaten you with 1:12:18.240 --> 1:12:20.120 one hundred percent tariffs kind of like out of nowhere. 1:12:20.880 --> 1:12:23.600 Yeah. Well, you know, I think a lot of that 1:12:23.680 --> 1:12:26.599 rhetoric is used for leverage. I think what Donald Trump 1:12:26.640 --> 1:12:29.840 wants to do is, you know, let the Chinese know 1:12:29.960 --> 1:12:32.080 that we do have leverage in place. There are things 1:12:32.120 --> 1:12:34.960 that we can do. Our economy can withstand this type 1:12:35.040 --> 1:12:37.840 of trade war a lot better than China can, and 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:40.280 I think President she knows that. I think both sides 1:12:40.320 --> 1:12:42.760 want to come to an agreement. We need China and 1:12:42.840 --> 1:12:44.640 China needs us, and I think they're both aware of that. 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:46.639 Okay, So back to the other big issue at hand, 1:12:46.680 --> 1:12:48.840 and that is the umpteenthday. I think what twenty days 1:12:48.840 --> 1:12:52.840 now government shutdown. That is a big question mark as well. 1:12:53.240 --> 1:12:55.040 We know that people aren't getting their paychecks in the 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:58.000 federal government. Doesn't seem to be impacting markets at all too. 1:12:58.160 --> 1:13:02.120 But in that regard, we're also not getting the government 1:13:02.200 --> 1:13:04.479 data to indicate where our economy is. 1:13:05.360 --> 1:13:07.320 Yeah, you know that we're on day twenty one now. 1:13:07.320 --> 1:13:11.200 The government, YEP, still remains a major policy variable. We 1:13:11.200 --> 1:13:12.720 don't really know what it's going to look like it 1:13:12.800 --> 1:13:15.800 keeps the data in the darkly we've talked about. You know, 1:13:15.880 --> 1:13:18.920 it forces US and other firms like us to build 1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:23.240 analysis on estimates for different types of information that we 1:13:23.320 --> 1:13:25.960 don't have, So you know, there's a lot of algorithms 1:13:25.960 --> 1:13:27.840 involved and a lot of math that's involved with that. 1:13:28.240 --> 1:13:30.840 But what we're showing is that initial jobless claims near 1:13:30.840 --> 1:13:34.120 about two hundred and fifteen thousand in mid October. That 1:13:34.200 --> 1:13:37.040 implies that layoffs remain low despite a lot of this 1:13:37.160 --> 1:13:37.880 policy noise. 1:13:38.920 --> 1:13:39.599 So we'll see. 1:13:39.640 --> 1:13:41.160 You know, I think right now we're still in the 1:13:41.240 --> 1:13:44.280 environment where companies are not hiring very much, but they're 1:13:44.320 --> 1:13:47.040 also not firing very much. So you know, hopefully we 1:13:47.080 --> 1:13:49.280 can get Congress back in session. It looks like it's 1:13:49.320 --> 1:13:52.760 starting to tilt the way of you know, opening back 1:13:52.840 --> 1:13:54.479 up the government, but there's still a long. 1:13:54.400 --> 1:13:55.120 Way to go for them. 1:13:55.240 --> 1:13:55.519 Okay. 1:13:55.560 --> 1:13:57.960 He's Andy Schaeffer with all Worth Financial every Tuesday morning 1:13:57.960 --> 1:14:00.720 on the Scotsland Show seven hundred w alwis airon of 1:14:00.760 --> 1:14:01.519 course be. 1:14:01.520 --> 1:14:03.120 The iHeartRadio app. Take that wherever you go. 1:14:03.160 --> 1:14:05.120 You can listen in real time or podcast or later 1:14:05.200 --> 1:14:09.200 if you wish. So we again, it sounds like because 1:14:09.200 --> 1:14:11.640 we're not getting the data, we just are going with 1:14:11.680 --> 1:14:14.080 the numbers we had before the shutdown, which your inflation 1:14:14.160 --> 1:14:17.000 employment outlooks are, well, haven't moved. 1:14:17.280 --> 1:14:18.519 They might have, We just don't know. 1:14:19.280 --> 1:14:20.080 Yeah, we don't know. 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:22.479 But fet Shairman Powell basically said that, you know, he 1:14:22.560 --> 1:14:25.760 believes just that he thinks that inflation unemployment outlooks haven't 1:14:25.840 --> 1:14:28.720 changed very much. You know, we're going to get a 1:14:28.760 --> 1:14:31.559 lot of Fed speakers this week, like we always do. 1:14:31.600 --> 1:14:34.439 They love to talk. We're going to the Fed's going 1:14:34.479 --> 1:14:37.280 to meet later this month October twenty eighth and twenty ninth. 1:14:37.360 --> 1:14:40.160 They'll make a decision on interest rates. I do suspect 1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:42.960 that we will see an interest rate cut of about 1:14:43.000 --> 1:14:46.200 a quarter percent. Fet Shairman Powell basically said, Hey, we're 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:48.240 keeping that rate cut on the on the table. The 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:51.040 markets have basically taken that into account at this point 1:14:51.320 --> 1:14:53.960 of pricing that in to the games that we've had. 1:14:54.040 --> 1:14:56.200 So we'll see what they have to say. I always 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:58.400 look forward to hearing what feed Sharman Powell has to 1:14:58.400 --> 1:15:01.600 say on those Wednesdays and particut in the press conferences afterwards. 1:15:01.680 --> 1:15:04.439 Okay, Andy, there's something that was bubbling. I think in 1:15:04.479 --> 1:15:09.759 the credit markets. I saw right, I was I forget 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:12.200 the two companies two principles. But there were some loan 1:15:12.240 --> 1:15:12.920 fraud issues. 1:15:13.320 --> 1:15:15.680 Yes, So we were seeing a little bit of some 1:15:15.800 --> 1:15:19.599 issues with regional banks. There were some regional letters Science 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:22.800 Bank Corp. And Western Alliance. They disclosed that there was 1:15:22.800 --> 1:15:27.240 some alleged loan fraud tied to funds buying distressed commercial mortgages. 1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:29.840 And that's basically a fancy way of saying, hey, they 1:15:29.880 --> 1:15:32.840 were gobbling up some things that were not good investments 1:15:32.840 --> 1:15:36.080 and they have some losses because of it. They had 1:15:36.080 --> 1:15:38.800 tens of millions of dollars and losses. You know, so 1:15:39.360 --> 1:15:42.960 on the surface that doesn't seem like it's a big deal. Now, 1:15:43.000 --> 1:15:45.240 the sell off in those bank stocks were pretty heavy. 1:15:45.520 --> 1:15:47.559 And what happens is is there can be a potential 1:15:47.600 --> 1:15:50.360 fallout for other smaller regional banks as well. We went 1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:52.280 through this three or four years ago. I don't know 1:15:52.320 --> 1:15:54.439 if you remember, but there were some banks up in 1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:58.439 the Pacific Northwest that had some issues with their balance 1:15:58.479 --> 1:16:00.960 sheet as well, and the threat was that, hey, is 1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:03.160 this going to be a fallout with all regional banks 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:06.040 and smaller banks could be more systematic. We don't believe 1:16:06.040 --> 1:16:10.280 it is. Fortunately locally here, fifth Third, for example, reported 1:16:10.360 --> 1:16:14.519 smaller than expected lost provisions. So we'll see where it goes. 1:16:14.520 --> 1:16:16.080 We're not too concerned about it at the moment. 1:16:16.120 --> 1:16:18.080 We haven't had a big banking crisis in a while 1:16:18.120 --> 1:16:19.720 or a way over go for one. 1:16:19.840 --> 1:16:23.000 Yeah, yeah, big banking crisises are hard to go buy it. 1:16:23.040 --> 1:16:25.800 You know, I've been around long enough to remember two 1:16:25.800 --> 1:16:28.320 thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, I actually held 1:16:28.400 --> 1:16:31.640 some Leman Brothers bonds that went the fault, and so 1:16:31.760 --> 1:16:34.760 that was a challenging time. But yeah, we haven't had 1:16:34.760 --> 1:16:36.960 a big one in a while. You know, you hope 1:16:36.960 --> 1:16:39.040 that we're not due for one. I think that right 1:16:39.080 --> 1:16:41.400 now when we look at the overall picture and the banks. 1:16:42.320 --> 1:16:44.479 You know, banks still have the ability to borrow from 1:16:44.520 --> 1:16:47.439 the federal Reserve, and right now we're not seeing a 1:16:47.439 --> 1:16:50.519 lot of banks doing that. So that is a safety 1:16:50.560 --> 1:16:52.080 net for a lot of banks that things start to 1:16:52.080 --> 1:16:52.559 go sideway. 1:16:52.600 --> 1:16:53.479 Yeah, okay, I'm here. 1:16:53.800 --> 1:16:56.200 We're not hearing about the financial markets that regard a 1:16:56.200 --> 1:16:59.000 big banking crisis. The one bubble you hear about bubbles bubble, 1:16:59.000 --> 1:17:00.880 it's a bubble of the housing bubble of two thousand 1:17:00.880 --> 1:17:03.160 and eight, the dot com bubble, the bubble, the big bubble. 1:17:03.160 --> 1:17:03.920 Now is AI. 1:17:04.080 --> 1:17:06.479 Is there any validity in that argument that the and 1:17:06.520 --> 1:17:07.800 it's going to burst and it's going to be like 1:17:07.880 --> 1:17:09.240 nineteen twenty nine all over again. 1:17:09.560 --> 1:17:11.360 Well, I think the reason that people say that is 1:17:11.400 --> 1:17:14.880 because the price for AI stocks is very high right now. 1:17:14.920 --> 1:17:17.719 And when you do an analysis on stocks, you look at, Okay, 1:17:17.760 --> 1:17:19.960 what's the profit versus what's the price? They call it 1:17:19.960 --> 1:17:23.160 the pe ratio profit over earnings. Well, the profits for 1:17:23.240 --> 1:17:26.920 these companies aren't significantly high, but we have all this 1:17:27.040 --> 1:17:29.160 money flowing into the price of the stocks, so they're 1:17:29.200 --> 1:17:31.960 overvalued right now. And the reason is is So, to 1:17:31.960 --> 1:17:34.479 answer your question directly, I'm not too concerned about an 1:17:34.520 --> 1:17:37.040 AI bubble, and the reason is is that the outlook 1:17:37.080 --> 1:17:40.439 for AI is significant. This is going to be a 1:17:40.479 --> 1:17:42.800 revolution like we had in the early two thousands with 1:17:42.840 --> 1:17:46.519 the dot com era, the Internet and those types of things. 1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:49.519 So to me, this is a big deal. I think 1:17:49.600 --> 1:17:52.160 investors understand that this is going to be the future 1:17:52.200 --> 1:17:54.880 of our society, and so they're comfortable paying a little 1:17:54.880 --> 1:17:58.000 bit of a premium with the expectations that those companies 1:17:58.000 --> 1:17:59.960 are going to continue to be profitable over the next 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:01.599 fifteen twenty years. 1:18:01.680 --> 1:18:02.000 Got it? 1:18:02.080 --> 1:18:04.599 Okay, So we have the government showdown to shut down 1:18:04.640 --> 1:18:06.960 the showdown of twenty one days now full three weeks 1:18:06.960 --> 1:18:09.280 into this whole thing, and then longer it goes and 1:18:09.320 --> 1:18:12.200 there's more pain, and eventually they come to a reasonable 1:18:12.200 --> 1:18:12.960 solution saying. 1:18:12.760 --> 1:18:15.519 Okay, we got to stop because people are tired of this. 1:18:15.600 --> 1:18:18.880 But there's no there's absolutely no ground swell by the 1:18:18.960 --> 1:18:22.280 American people to push that narrative. So we just sit 1:18:22.320 --> 1:18:24.120 there and go, yeah, who cares, man, The government's it's 1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:26.559 open as shut. We don't care, and the markets continue, 1:18:26.600 --> 1:18:28.960 everything's doing well. I said, it's not until we start 1:18:28.960 --> 1:18:30.920 to feel some pay And I mentioned how much theater 1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:32.719 there is in this thing too. I think it's funny 1:18:32.760 --> 1:18:36.280 because it's kind of like the analogy I gave is 1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:39.639 you close your business, you'd by by sending like the 1:18:39.640 --> 1:18:42.280 receptionists home. So somebody shows up and goes, well, the 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:45.080 receptions on it, but there's you know, ninety nine percent 1:18:45.160 --> 1:18:46.639 of the people in the back are still working. 1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:49.000 It's just the reception desk gets closed. That's what this 1:18:49.120 --> 1:18:49.320 is like. 1:18:49.360 --> 1:18:53.040 We're closing parks and all the making it just uncomfortable 1:18:53.120 --> 1:18:55.640 enough at TSA and airports for people to take notice. 1:18:55.760 --> 1:18:57.639 And in your world. 1:18:57.680 --> 1:19:00.000 I think it's funny because the Beer of Labor Statists 1:19:00.320 --> 1:19:04.320 recalled its staff to compile these September CPI report. You 1:19:04.439 --> 1:19:07.599 need that report because that's what they based the cost 1:19:07.600 --> 1:19:10.280 of living the coal adjustments for social security, because we 1:19:10.320 --> 1:19:12.240 can't piss old people off when it comes to their 1:19:12.280 --> 1:19:13.120 social security. 1:19:13.520 --> 1:19:16.560 There go, I mean you got it exactly right. Yeah, 1:19:16.640 --> 1:19:18.599 I mean, yeah, you know, most of the government still 1:19:18.640 --> 1:19:21.559 remains open. But could you imagine if people that are 1:19:21.640 --> 1:19:24.040 getting social security did not get their cost of living 1:19:25.240 --> 1:19:27.240 that would wipe out most of the incumbents and. 1:19:27.240 --> 1:19:28.200 Concres So there you go. 1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:29.880 Yeah, it's it's funny how that works. 1:19:29.960 --> 1:19:31.280 It's just funny. Well we better do that. 1:19:31.320 --> 1:19:32.880 Well, well, the old people are the people who vote, 1:19:32.920 --> 1:19:34.200 are going to be really mad at is if they 1:19:34.200 --> 1:19:36.479 don't get their three percent. So where you get to 1:19:36.479 --> 1:19:39.760 come back to the office and do that. Yeah, to 1:19:39.840 --> 1:19:43.640 show you how serious the shutdown is and government is. Uh, 1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:46.320 you know, it's the umbrella of seriousness because they dress 1:19:46.360 --> 1:19:48.600 in very very expensive suits and coats and ties and 1:19:48.680 --> 1:19:51.240 call each other gentlemen and gentlewomen and things like that. 1:19:51.280 --> 1:19:54.280 But you know, the actual behind the scenes is a 1:19:54.320 --> 1:19:56.519 lot more comical than that. He's Andy Schaeffer. All we're 1:19:56.520 --> 1:19:59.920 all worth financial. Their show simply money. There's at six o'clock. 1:20:00.200 --> 1:20:02.400 I'm fifty five KRC. You can check it out over 1:20:02.400 --> 1:20:05.320 there and we talk every Tuesday about your money. Andy, 1:20:05.320 --> 1:20:07.559 all the best. Have a great week. We'll talk next Tuesday. 1:20:07.760 --> 1:20:08.840 You too, Scott, talk you next. 1:20:08.880 --> 1:20:12.200 So, of course, the big story going today is Terry Thiji. 1:20:12.240 --> 1:20:14.760 We had a press conference at ten o'clock, just at 1:20:14.800 --> 1:20:18.400 ten o'clock this morning. The principle involved was her attorney 1:20:18.920 --> 1:20:22.840 talking about talking about she's fired, she suspended. The whole 1:20:22.840 --> 1:20:26.040 thing is a dumpster fire. But again that dumpster fire 1:20:26.120 --> 1:20:27.880 is just a small dumpster fire in front of the 1:20:28.000 --> 1:20:33.040 large tire fire that is city Hall. Particularly the administration, 1:20:33.120 --> 1:20:36.719 the A F. Tad peer Vaal administration. They just don't 1:20:36.720 --> 1:20:39.080 handle things well at all. And that led, of course 1:20:39.120 --> 1:20:41.439 to the crime wave that led the dismissal of Terry Thiji. 1:20:41.479 --> 1:20:43.439 It was just a month ago where aftat peer Vest 1:20:43.439 --> 1:20:45.600 so no, no, the crime numbers are down, and now a 1:20:45.600 --> 1:20:49.360 month later, with an election looming, he fires his police chief. 1:20:50.439 --> 1:20:51.559 That makes sense to me either. 1:20:52.920 --> 1:20:56.280 But again, it's politics, and when you either talk about 1:20:56.280 --> 1:21:00.360 the shutdown or the joke a city hall, it's all 1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:03.200 the same argument that these are not serious people that 1:21:03.240 --> 1:21:05.840 act a lot more serious, and we look at them 1:21:05.880 --> 1:21:07.639 and go, oh, they must know something we don't. 1:21:07.680 --> 1:21:09.759 I don't think they do. I really really don't. 1:21:09.800 --> 1:21:12.080 But anyway, Willie's going to pick up the Fiji topic 1:21:12.439 --> 1:21:15.400 at twelve oh six today, right after a news update 1:21:15.400 --> 1:21:16.960 and more to follow on the Home of the Best 1:21:16.960 --> 1:21:19.840 Bengals coverage seven hundred WWT Cincinnati