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Speaker 1: How are you on this glorious day after Christmas?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Ken, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here. Obviously, this is a serious situation.

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Speaker 1: Well, we spent a lot of money this holiday season.

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Speaker 1: So you can see there's mixed messages on all of

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Speaker 2: On all of that?

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Speaker 1: after Christmas.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're here. Let's just talk about this. You

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Speaker 7: You know, I think probably the fairest starting point is

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Speaker 1: Well, a couple of things President Trump inherited what I

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Speaker 2: First was inflation. I mean, it was just totally out

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Speaker 1: to come out. And so we're not completely hit over

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Speaker 1: the head with Jeffrey Epstein every day. I mean, I

440
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Speaker 1: am I hoping for too much here?

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Speaker 7: No, I don't think you're hoping too much, because prices

442
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Speaker 7: in data matters. And you know, so next year when

443
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Speaker 7: everybody opens up their paychecks, the withholding rates are going

444
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Speaker 7: to be lower because of the Big Beautiful Law. When

445
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Speaker 7: they get refund on average a tax refund, a federal

446
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Speaker 7: tax refund to the tune of one to two thousand dollars.

447
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Speaker 7: That's going to because of the Big Beautiful Law. When

448
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Speaker 7: you look at the lowering gas prices, that's because the

449
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Speaker 7: Trump administration inherited regulations that replied to the tune of

450
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Speaker 7: about one point four trillion dollars. So when Republicans and

451
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Speaker 7: Democrats say, so, Dan, tell me what these high prices are, Well,

452
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Speaker 7: you know, last administration spent you know, seven eight trillion dollars,

453
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Speaker 7: and that violated the loss of supply and demand, and

454
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Speaker 7: that raised prices. But what they really did was add

455
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Speaker 7: these excessive regulations that really added the prices. We all

456
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Speaker 7: saw that at a guest pump the food store. Especially

457
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Speaker 7: small businesses saw that, and I heard about how much

458
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Speaker 7: they saw that. When I wrote my last book, I

459
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Speaker 7: spent fifty hours of interviewing these small businesses and we

460
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Speaker 7: spoke a lot about inflation, but we also talked a

461
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Speaker 7: lot about regulations and how it was increasing prices. But

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Speaker 7: I think at the end of the day when things

463
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Speaker 7: start to come back, and they are coming back already.

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Speaker 7: So let me give you another data point. Lenard Holmes,

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Speaker 7: one of the biggest home builders in the country. President

466
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Speaker 7: Trump announced on x just a few moments ago that

467
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Speaker 7: they were lowering their prices by almost thirty percent. Wow,

468
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Speaker 7: thirty percent. That's a big deal. So there's good news coming.

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Speaker 7: I feel very good about it. But I want to

470
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Speaker 7: tell you what needs to happen to really get the

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Speaker 7: economy moving and to really have us feeling even better

472
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Speaker 7: than we do today. The Federal Reserve needs to cut

473
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Speaker 7: rates further. Several months ago, I had written two op

474
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Speaker 7: eds that were published on Real Clear Politics, and I

475
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Speaker 7: said that the Fed needed to reduce rates by one

476
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Speaker 7: hundred and fifty basis points. They're reduced them by seventy

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Speaker 7: five basis points. The reason why I was pushing is

478
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Speaker 7: hard for that is because ninety nine point nine percent

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Speaker 7: of the companies in this country are small businesses. These

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Speaker 7: are the companies that employee on average eight or fewer employees.

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Speaker 7: With a big, beautiful law and the ability to expense

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Speaker 7: one hundred percent of purchases involved in new plants and

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Speaker 7: new equipment. That will get the hiring machine going, and

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Speaker 7: that will get the economy growing as far as the

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Speaker 7: eye can say. But the Federal Reserve right now is

486
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Speaker 7: a challenge, and I think when you look at the

487
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Speaker 7: jobs numbers, they could be far better than they are today.

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Speaker 7: That will come with another seventy five basis points worth

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Speaker 7: the cuts.

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Speaker 1: Dan mentioned his book, It's Rethinking Economic Growth. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Dan quotes a rather prominent Cincinnatian businessman here in Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: in your book, spoke to Jim Schwab right professional Palace. Yeah,

493
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Speaker 1: and he had some real interesting comments about just where

494
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Speaker 1: we are and where we need to go and just

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Speaker 1: how we rethink everything, not just in business, but in

496
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Speaker 1: education as well. I think we have a lot of

497
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Speaker 1: people not to get sidetracked here on the economy we

498
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Speaker 1: have a lot of people in this country I think

499
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Speaker 1: that are applying old logic to where we are as

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Speaker 1: a country, and education is a big reason why I

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Speaker 1: think we may be slugging along here and dragging some

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Speaker 1: folks along into twenty twenty six. It all be I

503
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Speaker 1: think there was this American dream you got to go

504
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Speaker 1: to college. You've got to go to college, you've got

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Speaker 1: to get a degree, you got to get a job.

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Speaker 1: And all that really happened was a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that we're very young, We're just driving up debt and

508
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Speaker 1: not getting jobs that could pay down that debt.

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Speaker 2: And that was a problem on a number of different levels.

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Speaker 1: But we really do need to rethink in this country

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Speaker 1: where we are going with our education system, and I

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Speaker 1: think your book touches on that.

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Speaker 2: Could you elaborate us a little bit on.

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Speaker 7: That, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 7: One of the things that I learned in the book

517
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Speaker 7: is that the thirty five small business owners that I

518
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Speaker 7: spoke to is that we need skilled, qualified workers, and

519
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Speaker 7: that is the biggest need that most small businesses have nowadays.

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Speaker 7: But at the end of the day, when you look

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Speaker 7: at the wage earning capacity of an HVAC technician, you

522
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 7: know you're looking at six figures. When you look at electricians,

523
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Speaker 7: you're looking at six figures. And most people don't know

524
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Speaker 7: that you can go to school for two years and

525
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Speaker 7: literally get hired to be a you know, do programming

526
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Speaker 7: language tnology companies, so and the numbers, the pay gills

527
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Speaker 7: are very impressive. And it starts with getting back into

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Speaker 7: investing into vocational and technical training and education. We've got

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Speaker 7: to recommit to that and invest at higher levels. The

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Speaker 7: Trump administration has taken several significant steps in that direction,

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Speaker 7: and I think that's highly promising. I think the other

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Speaker 7: thing that's happening is I think that parents and their

533
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Speaker 7: kids are having serious conversations around what makes sense for

534
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Speaker 7: their kids long term career wise, because if you can't

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Speaker 7: get a job after you've taken out a few hundred

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Speaker 7: thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: Loans, what's the point.

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Speaker 7: So I think that refocusing is happening and I'm highly

539
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Speaker 7: encouraged by that.

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Speaker 2: And I learned a lot about that in doing interviews

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Speaker 2: for my book.

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Speaker 1: Well, and despite the fact with the last administration did

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Speaker 1: with its Department of Justice. As a parent, I think

544
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Speaker 1: you need to get involved with your school board as

545
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Speaker 1: to what's actually being taught, and what's actually being taught

546
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Speaker 1: is it helping these kids when they get out of school.

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Speaker 2: In other words, I think you make this point in

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Speaker 2: your book as well.

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Speaker 1: There's no reason why you can't have dual paths in

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Speaker 1: an education system coming out of high school. And for

551
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Speaker 1: that matter, if indeed you want to go to college

552
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Speaker 1: and study something that isn't a trade, why not have

553
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Speaker 1: a dual path that that trade is also taught so

554
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Speaker 1: that it's not a stigma of well he didn't go

555
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Speaker 1: to college, or well you know he's he's just a

556
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Speaker 1: high school graduate. Well so what you know, why not

557
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Speaker 1: why not be deep into what is going on with

558
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Speaker 1: your child's education? And I you know that means showing

559
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Speaker 1: up in school board meetings and one of these these

560
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Speaker 1: people running for elected office to the board of education

561
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Speaker 1: knock on your door and they want your vote, Ask

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Speaker 1: them how they feel about things like that, and then

563
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Speaker 1: hold them accountable.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, home rule government is where it's at in this country.

565
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Speaker 7: And what I love about small business is whole business

566
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Speaker 7: really ties things together. They are the energy in every community.

567
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Speaker 7: And one of the things that I was especially impressed

568
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Speaker 7: with is that there are small businesses that are literally

569
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Speaker 7: building relationships with schools and saying, will you help us

570
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Speaker 7: get skilled trained workers, will you change your curriculum around

571
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Speaker 7: to accommodate that, facilitate that, And in fact they are

572
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Speaker 7: and that's really energizing. But this accountability thing for school

573
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Speaker 7: boards is absolutely mission critical for parents. You're paying a

574
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Speaker 7: lot of your local tax dollars to these school boards,

575
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Speaker 7: and it's incumbent upon you to go to these meetings,

576
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Speaker 7: look through the school budgets to see how the money

577
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Speaker 7: is being spent, to get a full download on the

578
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Speaker 7: curriculum and have them explain it to you. And then

579
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Speaker 7: when you're better informed, get your friends and neighbors and

580
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Speaker 7: relatives better informed, and then you all show up at.

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Speaker 2: These meetings and you push for meaningful change.

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Speaker 1: Well, Dan Veroni, I happen to think twenty twenty six

583
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Speaker 1: is going to be a robust year just because of

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Speaker 1: what has signed. What has been signed into law, one

585
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Speaker 1: big beautiful law. Now I think a lot of people

586
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Speaker 1: are going to be shocked. We'll see where the credit

587
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Speaker 1: goes for it. But the fact of the matter is,

588
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Speaker 1: listening to you, you sound like twenty twenty six could

589
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Speaker 1: be for all economic strata, could be a robust year.

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Speaker 2: Am I right about that? Or I hear you?

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Speaker 7: I think you if I didn't, let me be absolutely

592
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Speaker 7: on point about this. We are going to have a

593
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Speaker 7: strong year. We'll get off to a good start in

594
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Speaker 7: the first quarter, but I think quarters two through four

595
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Speaker 7: will be very strong. I am very optimistic. When you

596
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Speaker 7: put taxpayer money back in the hands of taxpayers, they're

597
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 7: going to spend it. We're seventy percent consumer driven economy.

598
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Speaker 7: That in and of itself is a good sign. Lower

599
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Speaker 7: guess prices, more money to consumers, more money to spend.

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Speaker 7: We are looking an opportunity, especially on a small business front,

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Speaker 7: with tax incentives for plants and equipment. I believe that

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Speaker 7: in twenty twenty six that small businesses are going to

603
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Speaker 7: lead the way in the US economy.

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Speaker 1: Well, Dan Varoni, happy twenty twenty six to you in

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Speaker 1: advance again. His book is Rethinking Economic Growth is a

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Speaker 1: it's a good read. It's a fun read actually, and

607
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Speaker 1: like I say, there's a couple of Cincinnati connections in

608
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Speaker 1: there as well. Dan, this was good stuff. Let's do

609
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Speaker 1: it again. Can we do it again in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: I'll phone you up. Maybe we can do this again.

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Speaker 2: Hum I'd love to I'd love to do it. Please,

612
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Speaker 2: please do it. Let's do it right. You take care

613
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Speaker 2: and we'll talk down the road. All right, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Have a great day.

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Speaker 1: Dan Varoni again rethinking economic growth. It's I read it

616
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Speaker 1: gosh in a day and a half. It was, and

617
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Speaker 1: it's enlightening. And it's not one of those books where

618
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Speaker 1: you get bogged down and numbers and things like that.

619
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Speaker 1: It's it's just a good solid way of looking at

620
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Speaker 1: what might be best as we look into twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: it's coming up on twelve fifty five. We got a

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Speaker 1: lot more to get to.

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Speaker 2: Today.

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Speaker 1: It's the average American in for the Great American. Happy

625
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: day after Christmas. It's still jammed at the mall, so

626
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: be careful going in there. Remember you're driving. I'm walking

627
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Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW. All right.

628
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Speaker 2: As we've pressed on this, they had to Christmas.

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Speaker 1: It's the average American in for the Great American on

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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW Radio.

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Speaker 2: Great to have you with us. A lot to get to.

632
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Speaker 1: As I say, between now and when we're done here

633
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Speaker 1: in a couple of hours, I want to get into

634
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Speaker 1: this big new thing. It's bald guys getting on airplanes

635
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Speaker 1: and flying to Hungry Why why are a bunch of

636
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: bald guys getting on planes and flying a hungry Well,

637
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: apparently that is the place the destination for hair restoration.

638
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: But what do you get when you go over there?

639
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Speaker 1: I mean, you could literally get some dude put in

640
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: plugs in your hair, and right next door it could

641
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: be you know, not next door, but in the same room,

642
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: could be somebody doing nails, and then next to them

643
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: it could.

644
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Speaker 2: Be like a you know, like a subway station.

645
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Speaker 1: So I want to get into what I want to

646
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Speaker 1: get into what this is all about, because apparently the

647
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Speaker 1: world's greatest hair transplant surgeon is now living in the

648
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Speaker 1: United States.

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Speaker 2: Who knew? You don't have to get on a plane, You.

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Speaker 1: Don't have to play halfway around the world or Hungry

651
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Speaker 1: or Turkey or someplace like that. But I want to

652
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Speaker 1: find out why this guy is the world's greatest transplant

653
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Speaker 1: in the world, the world's greatest hair transplant doctor, and.

654
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Speaker 2: He lives right here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: So if you see a bunch of bald guys getting

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Speaker 1: on a plane and they're flying east, you might want

657
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Speaker 1: to flag them down and say, look, all you to

658
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: get you know, guy in Florida can help you out.

659
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: We'll talk to him coming up in just a little bit.

660
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: How much it really costs to get your hair restored

661
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: in this day and age. I thought you just kind

662
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: of like pop some pills, right, That's what they would

663
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: have you believe on TV. You just pop a few

664
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Speaker 1: pills pro pisha something like that.

665
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 2: Apparently not. I don't know.

666
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Speaker 1: There are a lot of things wrong with me, but

667
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: the one thing I got going for me, I got

668
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: a nice head of hair. So I watched some of

669
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: these NFL games yesterday, and man, Netflix, they they just

670
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: need to stick with movies and documentaries a little rough

671
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: to coverage. Yesterday, Dallas won by seven over Washington in

672
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: a meaningless game. Detroit got knocked out of the playoffs

673
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: by Minnesota. Detroit looked like they wanted to be anywhere

674
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: but Minneapolis. And then you had Denver beating Kansas City.

675
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: Kansas City is a shell of what it is. They

676
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: were on a third string quarterback. Andy Reid did manage

677
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: to squeeze thirteen points out of that offense, but Denver

678
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: twenty to thirteen. Do you think the Bengals have some

679
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: trouble trying to figure things out for twenty twenty six.

680
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean the Chiefs are their defense is aging. The

681
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: quarterback is having ACL surgery, the backup quarterback is having

682
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: ACL surgery. Travis Kelcey is running off to be I

683
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: guess Taylor Swift's roadie. They got to rebuild that entire team.

684
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: One thing Kansas City though very well. What they do

685
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: is they spend money wisely, they seem to find dudes.

686
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Speaker 1: So I was alarmed to hear this over the weekend.

687
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know whether you heard this or not, but

688
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: there is a there is a scam going on. It's

689
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: called squishing, and it's not SQI, SSI and G. It's

690
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: spelled QUI, SSI and G squishing. And I'm sure you've

691
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: seen these QR codes. Might see a QR code on

692
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 1: your television, whether it's a commercial or a charge, hold

693
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: your phone up to here and now we'll get bring

694
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: all the details. Or you might go into a restaurant

695
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: and the menu might be on a QR code that's

696
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: plastered on the table, so they want you to hold

697
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: the phone over the QR code and then up pops

698
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: the menu. Well, apparently there is now a big deal

699
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: about quishing, which is scanning a restaurant menu or scanning

700
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: any QR code, and then the nefarious people in this

701
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: world have figured out a way to bastardize that particular

702
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: code and steal your private information. So something that was

703
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: viewed or is viewed as a convenience now could be

704
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: a problem the next time you try it. So what

705
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: is quishing? And why did these guys, Why do guys

706
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: or there could be women for all I know, why

707
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: do they come up with these ideas that I guess

708
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: baffle the smart guys in this country when it comes

709
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: to security, When it comes to security. So I got

710
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: Damien Fortune standing by. He's online too. I've had Dabien

711
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,479
Speaker 1: with me many times before. He's a cybersecurity expert, knows

712
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: all about these QR codes. He's CEO of Centrics, which

713
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: is a global leader in secure communication solutions. What better

714
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: person to have on than Damien Fortune on this this

715
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: thing that I just said, Wow, you're not even safe

716
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: going into a restaurant anymore.

717
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: Damien Fortune, how are you on this glorious day? I'm

718
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: doing well, Ken? How about you? So I'm good?

719
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: But I don't know what squishing is? What is squishing?

720
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: Just to find the term squishing for us please.

721
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Speaker 8: Yeah, So, if you've heard of fishing before, this is

722
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 8: just another kind of variety of a predatory cyber attack.

723
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 8: This time it's leveraging those QR codes that you see

724
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Speaker 8: posted everywhere, whether it's you at a restaurant, on your

725
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 8: light bill or you know kind of just distributed around

726
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 8: town on posters and things like that. And essentially the

727
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 8: attack is one where they expect folks to you know,

728
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 8: scan that code with the phone and then they're taken

729
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 8: to a website that you know, sometimes looks exactly like

730
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Speaker 8: their utility website or a restaurant's menu page or a

731
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 8: checkout page. And the idea there is to get you

732
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Speaker 8: to put in either your private or personal information or

733
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Speaker 8: to actually put in a payment method, and then to

734
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Speaker 8: actually take money from you.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is interesting if I see a secure code. Now,

736
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Speaker 1: a lot of times you'll you'll watch television and they'll say,

737
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Speaker 1: get more information on the product here, or if you're

738
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Speaker 1: watching the show that's trying to raise money for a charity,

739
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: you'll say, just put your phone up to the QR

740
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: code and it'll take your right to where you can

741
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Speaker 1: make your donation. I guess my question is, how can

742
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: that QR code that may be a scam, a phoney,

743
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: how can that replicate what a particular restaurant or charity

744
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: or shopping place, whatever it may be.

745
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: How can they do that?

746
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, so a lot of times these bad guys are

747
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 8: now doing the research right, So they'll go to the

748
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 8: restaurant and they'll look up the website or the menu

749
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 8: page of the website, or they'll actually go to the

750
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Speaker 8: charity's website and make.

751
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 2: A copy of it.

752
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 8: Essentially that has a slightly different web address, but it

753
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 8: looks close enough that if you weren't looking too carefully,

754
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 8: you feel like, oh, okay, this is a this is

755
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:10,959
Speaker 8: a legit.

756
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: This is where she's putting in FRAN information or making

757
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 2: that donation.

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00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so they're out there, they're smartt they're doing this. Well,

759
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: then why can't the establishment change it?

760
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 3: Then?

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Speaker 2: I mean, is it just one of those things, Hey,

762
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Speaker 2: you know, change it. We'll get you again. Why.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the establishment would have to know if somebody

764
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Speaker 1: got burned trying to look at a menu at a

765
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: restaurant on a QR code, My guess is I would

766
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Speaker 1: immediately call not only my bank, but I would also

767
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Speaker 1: call a restaurant.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, there's always this kind of

769
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 8: circular race that goes on there where you can alert

770
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Speaker 8: folks that this is happening. But a lot of times

771
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 8: that bad guys are going so far as to a

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Speaker 8: lot of restaurants now, for example, have those QR codes

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Speaker 8: posted either on a little standing thing on the table

774
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Speaker 8: or they actually have it as a sticker on the table,

775
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Speaker 8: so they may not even be sure which of those

776
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 8: stickers have been replaced. It's kind of like the old

777
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 8: ATM card skimming thing from back in the day where

778
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 8: they would insert of a device in and and scrape

779
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 8: your card that way.

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Speaker 2: It's the same kind of idea. Folks are just putting

781
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Speaker 2: stickers on top.

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Speaker 8: Of stickers basically, So then you'd have to have someone

783
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 8: in the restaurant going around to every table trying to

784
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 8: figure out which one of these QR codes isn't like

785
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 8: the other. Then, as you can imagine, right, that's a

786
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 8: pretty tough thing to.

787
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Speaker 1: Do with the Yeah, I mean, I mean, I get

788
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: the mechanism, and I understand that there are people out

789
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: there that want to do nefarious things like this, but

790
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,479
Speaker 1: it would seem to me that this is a tool

791
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: of convenience, and maybe it shouldn't be used anywhere until

792
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: they can lasso this thing. I mean, because you really

793
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: don't know, you might think, oh, oh, okay, well, this

794
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: is a legitimate business. I don't have to worry about

795
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: it here. I mean, it would sound to me like

796
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: the smart business play here is to just simply not

797
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: use these QR codes.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and a lot of folks actually have because of

799
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 8: issues like this, moved away from it or have changed

800
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 8: the way that they do things.

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Speaker 2: In some cases.

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Speaker 8: Now the QR codes are kind of behind some sort

803
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 8: of area, right, so they're under the varnish on the

804
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 8: top of the tabletop, or the waiter will bring the

805
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 8: QR code to you once you finish your meal, so

806
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 8: you can scan and pay that way, to kind of

807
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 8: leave the QR code less exposed for folks to come

808
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 8: in and tamper with it in some way.

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00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: I was always led to believe that these kinds of

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00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: things more often than not happen to let's call them elderly,

811
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: maybe the sixty plus seventy plus crowd. But I think

812
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: anymore it's probably all demographics get caught in this, don't they.

813
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, I mean more and more we're making this

814
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 8: trade off of convenience and security, and as we move

815
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 8: more towards, you know, being able to pay your bill

816
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 8: without you and interacting with the waiter anymore through one

817
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 8: of these QR codes, we're going to see more and

818
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 8: more of this stuff. And there's always this cycle of

819
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 8: the cyber folks like myself trying to come in and

820
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 8: help catch up and find ways to at least throw

821
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 8: a wrench in the bad guy's operation to keep folks

822
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 8: safe for at least at least a little bit more

823
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Speaker 8: than they are currently.

824
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's an interesting exit ramp. Okay, let's say I

825
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: get scammed. Let's say I go to a restaurant, I

826
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: scan the QR code and the next thing I know,

827
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: my information is out there. I don't know how it

828
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: got out there, why I got out there. A would

829
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: if I contracted with Damian Fortune in this company, would

830
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: they be able to track back where that scam occurred.

831
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Speaker 2: We have partners that do exactly that sort of thing.

832
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 8: We focus more on the communication side, but yeah, there's

833
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 8: lots of folks out there that do these kind of

834
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 8: scam track backs. Now, they obviously worked with your bank

835
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 8: and can help you at least recover the money and

836
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 8: hopefully work with law enforcement to get those folks shut down.

837
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Speaker 1: And conversely, you would probably be able to scam it,

838
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: or not scam it, but play it forward and find

839
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Speaker 1: out not just necessarily how I got scammed, what restaurant

840
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 1: or some place else I fell a victim to this squishing,

841
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: but you'd be able to probably then begin a pathway

842
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: to the people who are actually doing it. Am I

843
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: am I too far ahead of technology here.

844
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: No, I mean I think that's exactly right.

845
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 8: Thing about the QR code thing is that it's a

846
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 8: physical installation most of the time. So you know, this

847
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 8: isn't necessarily fighting the enemy, the unseen enemy on the

848
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 8: other side of the planet.

849
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: Right That's that's putting up a fake website or.

850
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Speaker 8: Send you an email of the bad linked if this

851
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 8: is a person that actually had to come into that restaurant,

852
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 8: for example, and put that sticker somewhere. So those folks

853
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 8: are local and therefore you know, a subject to the

854
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 8: jurisdiction law, law enforcement and that sort of thing. So

855
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 8: there are there is actually a recourse for this particular

856
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 8: scam where you can actually get at the folks that

857
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 8: are that are doing the scamming.

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00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: So I and again I'm guessing here and correctly if

859
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But QR codes were built as a way

860
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: of convenience. They weren't built by way of security. So

861
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm wondering why would somebody use Why would

862
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: somebody make one of these things in the first place?

863
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: If you have to take a device which can be

864
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: compromised so easily and then put it on this code

865
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: that wasn't built with security in mind, who thought that

866
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: was a good idea?

867
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Speaker 8: Like all things, it starts with that convenience factor. You know,

868
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 8: there's a we go to movies now and we can

869
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 8: buy tickets.

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Speaker 9: With scanning a QR code.

871
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: We can order food at restaurants and pay for it

872
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: with scanning those QR code. So there's this. There's always

873
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: that force in the.

874
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 8: Economy to say, well I can I can pull costs

875
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 8: out of the system by using this, and unfortunately a

876
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Speaker 8: lot of times the security is left holding the bag

877
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Speaker 8: when those compromises are made.

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Speaker 1: Damian Fortune our guest. He's a cybersecurity expert. His company

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Speaker 1: is Centric Centric state of the art security platform which

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Speaker 1: I'm told here is designed to protect the integrity of

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Speaker 1: group communications in real time? Group communications in real time?

882
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Speaker 1: Will that be like those chat groups that businesses have

883
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: or like inter company communication?

884
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Speaker 2: Is that what that's all about?

885
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's exactly right. I think of us like an

886
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Speaker 8: ultra secure version of teams or Slack.

887
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: So when I guess that encrypted invitation that was sent

888
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Speaker 1: out by the Department of Defense and Department of War

889
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: back in the winter time, if they had tracted with

890
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Speaker 1: cybersecurity expert Damian Fortune, it would never become a problem.

891
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: That's the idea.

892
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, is anything safe on the Internet anymore? With with

893
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Speaker 1: when dealing with personal information, shopping on the Internet with

894
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: a credit card, U conducting business of any kind involving

895
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Speaker 1: money or personal information on the on the Internet. I know,

896
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Speaker 1: I see HTTP and http S. The S is supposed

897
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Speaker 1: to stand for security and it would make the transaction

898
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Speaker 1: above board and nobody can hack it. But really and truly,

899
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Speaker 1: there's a risk every time you go on the Internet

900
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: to try and conduct business, isn't there?

901
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely right? I mean, the speed at the enemy in

902
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: this case.

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Speaker 8: Is so a lot of times you just have to

904
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Speaker 8: take that extra second to make sure that the website

905
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Speaker 8: that you're sending information through is which are backed by

906
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Speaker 8: a company that has the resources in place to protect

907
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 8: you those sorts of things.

908
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: Even with those QR code that we were.

909
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 8: Talking about a moment ago, your phone actually give you

910
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 8: a preview of the website that they're going to send

911
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 8: you to by scanning it. If you hold the camera

912
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 8: over the code to see a little yellow box pop

913
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Speaker 8: up that gives you a.

914
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: Little bit of the URL. There's little things like that.

915
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 8: I can take that extra second before you click on it,

916
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 8: and you can say, maybe that doesn't look exactly right,

917
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 8: Maybe I should slack my waiter and ask if this

918
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 8: is a legitimate thing or not.

919
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Speaker 1: I was always told, or I always thought, Damien, that

920
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, most of this stuff that goes on, this

921
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: nefarious stuff, was being done by you know, a bunch

922
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Speaker 1: of people in a basement in Bulgaria. But anymore, it

923
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: seems like that a lot of this stuff is being conducted,

924
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Speaker 1: not all of it, certainly, but right here in our country.

925
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Speaker 1: People that would go to one of the top technical universities,

926
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Speaker 1: mit wherever it might be, and decide, you know, I

927
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Speaker 1: want to get into this line of work, ripping people

928
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Speaker 1: off and using my intelligence for things that might benefit mankind.

929
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of this occurs right here in

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Speaker 1: the United States, doesn't It absolutely.

931
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Speaker 8: Unfortunately, a lot of those brilliant folks figured out that

932
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Speaker 8: instead of actually committing the crimes and bearing their sells,

933
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Speaker 8: they could make just as much money selling the tool

934
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Speaker 8: So a lot of places on the Internet now you

935
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Speaker 8: can go and actually download hacking toolkits or information stealing

936
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Speaker 8: toolkits that you pay a subscription fee for and you

937
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Speaker 8: get all of the tools you need to generate theparious

938
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Speaker 8: QR codes or steal people's information from the emails and

939
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Speaker 8: these sorts of things. So the economy, unfortunately has evolved

940
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Speaker 8: on the dark side, and that's led up to a

941
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Speaker 8: lot of you know, essentially cottage industry here in the

942
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Speaker 8: US for hacking and information test.

943
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am just after reading about it, I'm just

944
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Speaker 1: not going to do it. I mean it just again, convenience,

945
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Speaker 1: I suppose is the most important thing here for a

946
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Speaker 1: lot of Americans. But I mean just step back and

947
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Speaker 1: you think, wait a minute, I've got this device, it's portable,

948
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Speaker 1: it's easily hackable, even with some of the best security

949
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: stuff on it, whatever it may be. I just I

950
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Speaker 1: think I think I'm just going to back off from

951
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Speaker 1: using it for that. Am I being too polyannish? Or

952
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: should I? Should I keep doing it?

953
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Speaker 3: With?

954
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Speaker 2: What should I need? Help? Damien? What should I do?

955
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Speaker 7: Well?

956
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Speaker 8: It's a cyberperson. That's my responsibility to tell you to

957
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Speaker 8: do the most secure thing all the time. But there's

958
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Speaker 8: always that sliding scale, right. What we try to tell

959
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 8: folks is that without completely undoing your way of doing things,

960
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 8: insert tools that can help add additional layers of security.

961
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Speaker 8: When you're on the internet shopping, for example, use a

962
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Speaker 8: debit card, use a credit card, even better, use one

963
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 8: of the payment intermediaries like a PayPal for example. When

964
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Speaker 8: you're surfing on the internet, use a secure browser. Try

965
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 8: to use software on your phone, for example, that can

966
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Speaker 8: scan for scan email, scam, text messages, those sorts of things.

967
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 8: So just little things that you can do to actually

968
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Speaker 8: keep some of the convenience in your life without leaving

969
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 8: yourself fully exposed to these scans.

970
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Speaker 1: And if someone wants to get the cybersecurity expertise of

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Speaker 1: Damian Fortune, they go to centrics se n.

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Speaker 2: T r q s dot com. Am I right about that?

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Speaker 2: Centric sc nt r IQs dot com.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that's what I said. That maybe I didn't,

975
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Speaker 1: but thanks for thanks for clearing that up. And whatever

976
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: you do. When you see Damian Fortune's name, if he's

977
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: got a QR code next to him, chances are it's

978
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: a scam, right.

979
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: Right, protect yourself at all.

980
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: Done Here you go, Damien, Thanks for your time here,

981
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: good stuff, Stay well and happy New Year.

982
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: Thanks so much. Ken, you too, you bet so. The

983
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 2: next time you're in.

984
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: A restaurant you see one of those QR codes, just

985
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: politely say to your server, excuse me, ma'am, and I

986
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: order over here. Cybersecurity, you know, just security in general.

987
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: It is one twenty seven on this day after Christmas.

988
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: It's the average American in for the Great Americans. Seven

989
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: hundred WLWS Radio, seven hundred WLW, the average American in

990
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: for the Great American on this day after Christmas. Gloom

991
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: me outside. But that's all right. It's gonna be that

992
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: way all week and then it's gonna get cold. That's

993
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: the way we like it here in Cincinnati. That's why

994
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: we live here. I just sard Jack Crumley at one

995
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: point thirty talk about the players strike that is imminent

996
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: now in the East Coast Hockey League ECHL and the

997
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: Cyclones game has been canceled tonight. That's happening all over now.

998
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm just seeing that the games in Fort Wayne and Greensboro,

999
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: they're all being canceled as the Players Union is at

1000
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: odds over a collective bargaining agreement with the ECHL, which

1001
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: is in actuality in arm of the NHL. These players

1002
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: they make about I don't know, like five fifties six

1003
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: hundred a week. Six hundred might be a little high.

1004
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: They average about twenty grand a year because you don't

1005
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: get paid in the summer. There's no ice in the summer.

1006
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: They get their housing paid for, and they get their

1007
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: medical benefits paid for in season, not year round. So

1008
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: if this this strike goes on for a while, you know,

1009
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: the league just say, hey, we're going to pull all

1010
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: that stuff from me. But last night, Christmas night, the

1011
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: ECHL received a or the I should say, the ECHL

1012
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: delivered to the players Union its last best final offer,

1013
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: and the last best final offer from what I'm reading here,

1014
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: is that there would be an additional salary cap for

1015
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: future years. There would be a retroactive salary cap for

1016
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: this year, which is about twenty percent of an increase

1017
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: on what the cap is this year for teams, and

1018
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: it says the EHL will continue to cover one hundred

1019
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: percent of the player costs for fully funded housing, utility,

1020
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: internet costs, medical and debt hoo benefits, but only for

1021
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: the season, only for the five or six months they play.

1022
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: After that, they're they're on their own. So if you're

1023
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: a Psycolones fan, stay tuned, because it looks like this

1024
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: thing is it.

1025
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: Might it might go on for a while. How about

1026
00:53:59,600 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: this one?

1027
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: According to multiple reports, and that would mean reports from

1028
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: all over the place, misinformation on social media about mental

1029
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: health is becoming a crisis. More than half of all

1030
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: top trending videos offering mental health advice on TikTok contain misinformation. Wait, stop,

1031
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: stop the presses. There's misinformation on the internet. People looking

1032
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: for quick fixed solutions to what Alvin Forbes says, Clinicians

1033
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: are seeing a spike in self diagnoses and self prescribed

1034
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: protocols sourced from short videos and influencer threads on tick talk.

1035
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 2: But I thought TikTok was my friend.

1036
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: Lee Richardson has found a place called the Brain Performance Center.

1037
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: And she is a consultant, and she is a doctor.

1038
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: Great note, and she is the author of the book

1039
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 1: Turn Your Brain On to get Your game on the

1040
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: how What Why to peak performance. I've had Lee on

1041
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 1: the show several times because I likely number one, number two.

1042
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: She speaks the truth when it comes to all things

1043
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: involving the brain. TikTok for mental crises. That's where you're going.

1044
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 2: Better. You should listen now, Lee Richardson, how are you

1045
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: in this glorious day? I'm doing very well. Thanks for

1046
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: having me.

1047
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: I used to call you Lee, but now I call

1048
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: you doctor because I think anybody that put that much

1049
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: work into getting a doctorate deserves to be called doctor.

1050
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 2: Does that make sense?

1051
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much for that recognition.

1052
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: Well, good for you, and good good for the folks

1053
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: that taught you. Look, I saw this, and there are

1054
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons to not like social media. This

1055
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: is just added to the list that it may go

1056
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: to the top of the list. Is that increasingly, more

1057
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: and more, particularly younger people are turning to places like

1058
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: TikTok to figure out what might be wrong with them

1059
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: from a mental state. And I'm thinking to myself, well, yeah,

1060
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: there probably is something wrong with you mentally. If you're

1061
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: getting advice on TikTok This has got to be concerning

1062
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: to a professional like you.

1063
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:23,280
Speaker 10: Absolutely and TikTok, whether it's TikTok or Instagram or Facebook,

1064
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 10: it's so easy. Social media penetrates so many lines, and

1065
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 10: for many people it's their first stop for mental or health.

1066
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 3: And mental health.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants to hear bad news, no matter what it is.

1068
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: But when it comes to your health, you don't really

1069
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: want to hear bad news. And I think most people

1070
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: know that there's something wrong with them, and so I

1071
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: mean physically wrong with them before they even go to

1072
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: see a doctor.

1073
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: You can feel it.

1074
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: You just know, and I would guess from a mental

1075
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: outlook that you would know too that maybe something isn't

1076
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: quite right. So to avoid going to a doctor, you

1077
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: probably turned to other means. It's a quick, fixed mentality.

1078
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: That's the way to find out what's wrong with you

1079
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: without actually having a human being tell you there's something

1080
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: that's wrong with you.

1081
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Well, I mean this is when

1082
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: you think about it.

1083
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 10: When the World Health Organization declares that we are in

1084
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 10: a state and phodemic, there's just too much information. It's false,

1085
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 10: it's misleading, it makes its cross of confusion. It causes

1086
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 10: people to take risky behavior and these things can can

1087
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 10: harm you. But I think we have to stop and

1088
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 10: recognize that we've now kids are taught how to use

1089
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 10: AI in school, and we're coming out of the aftermath

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Speaker 10: of the pandemic, or that for many people during the pandemic,

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Speaker 10: all they had was social media, and so I think

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Speaker 10: that that has kind of about made it more valid

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Speaker 10: in our heads.

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Speaker 9: Oh, I've used to.

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Speaker 10: Years and sometimes perhaps you do get some good information.

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Speaker 10: But I think if people will just slow down, you know,

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Speaker 10: you put something in there and you go to social

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00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 10: media and you see it, and instead of automatically reacting

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Speaker 10: to it, think ask yourself, is that is that right?

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's really easy. Go go to Google scholar

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00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 10: and put a question in and it'll find research that

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Speaker 10: will support it. And if you can't find anything that

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00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 10: supports it, you know. I think another big issue can

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Speaker 10: is you know, we always find what we're looking for,

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00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 10: and we do, and if we're looking for something to

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Speaker 10: support what we already believe, that's called a confirmation bias.

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Speaker 2: Of course we're going to run with it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I refer to that as people want affirmation,

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00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily want information and so if you can

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00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: go some that affirms what you think or what you've heard,

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00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. But I just I guess the thing

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00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: that concerned me the most is if you think you

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00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: have something wrong with you, you probably do.

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00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: And Emily on.

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00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: TikTok or you know, Bob on TikTok is not going

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00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 1: to be able to help you through what's wrong with you.

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00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: A licensed professional also known as a doctor is going

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Speaker 1: to help you through.

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Speaker 2: Through with it. Am I right?

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Speaker 10: You are right? And anytime I hear a one size

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00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 10: fits all, now it doesn't. There's not a one size

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00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 10: because everybody reacts to what's going on to their life differently.

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Speaker 10: The genetics come into play, stress comes into play. The

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Speaker 10: only time I hear one size fits all, I start

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Speaker 10: backing up. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, There's so many things I want to get to

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00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: with you today, but that in particular, and I think

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Speaker 1: the headline that we've just been talking about is if

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00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: you know, go see somebody. If you can't afford to

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Speaker 1: go see somebody, there are ways that you can get

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01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: medical help and they'll work with you. But the other

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Speaker 1: thing that struck me here too is that the amount

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Speaker 1: of stress, the amount of mental health concerns that are

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Speaker 1: going on, particularly on the job, have risen dramatically here

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Speaker 1: according to this report I see from comsych I don't

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01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: know Compsyke, you probably know it, but mental health leave

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Speaker 1: is up three hundred percent in a very recent time period.

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Speaker 1: What's going on with mental health health leave at work?

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Speaker 1: Why is work so stressful today, maybe than what it

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Speaker 1: was even five years ago.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think a big part of it is is

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Speaker 4: there's no psychological.

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Speaker 3: Safety at work.

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Speaker 10: People, you know, they are being forced to come back

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Speaker 10: to the office, and that they liked working from home

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01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 10: and they felt safe in their home. They didn't have

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01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 10: to deal with traffic, they didn't have to deal with

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01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 10: running into after work, and really they don't feel safe

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01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 10: at work.

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Speaker 2: They feel like that and part of that.

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Speaker 10: One out of five of us can is suffering from

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01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 10: either anxiety or depression, and sometimes both. So I think

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01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 10: that when we're stressed out, we were in an overreactive mode.

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01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 10: We react to everything instead of hitting the pause button

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01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 10: and thinking it through. And I think that there is

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Speaker 10: help for people. But if your manager or your supervisor,

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Speaker 10: you know, struggles with anxiety or depression, you don't feel

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Speaker 10: comfortable going to that person, and if you're the manager

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Speaker 10: or the supervisor. And I saw a survey that NAMMY,

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Speaker 10: the National Alliance of Mental Illness, put out, and they

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Speaker 10: said forty two percent of the managers knew that their

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Speaker 10: workers needed help with mental health, but.

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Speaker 2: They didn't know how to do it.

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Speaker 10: And as an organization that something, employee well being is

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Speaker 10: something that's got to be factored in to their strategy.

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Speaker 1: One out of go back to your beginning of your answer.

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Speaker 1: One out of five people, that's twenty percent and are

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Speaker 1: suffering from anxiety or stress.

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Speaker 2: It's a significant number. Has it always? Has it always

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Speaker 2: been that way?

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Speaker 1: Or and nobody paid attention to it because my guess

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Speaker 1: is is that the stress is that this current group,

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Speaker 1: let's just say, from millennials younger, that's that they're experiencing.

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Speaker 1: My guess is those same stressors existed for people that

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Speaker 1: are boomers or whatever the next group was. It had

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Speaker 1: to have been there in the past. Did we just

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Speaker 1: ignore it?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 10: I think that we did ignore it to some degree

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Speaker 10: because we were too ashamed to talk about it. The

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01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 10: stigma associated was huge. And Kim, when I first started

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 10: working in the brain world back in two thousand and

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Speaker 10: five and up state myself here, But we used to

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01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 10: talk about mental health and I would say, oh, my sense,

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01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 10: you've got some depression.

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01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, I'm fine.

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Speaker 10: And when I in two thousand and nine, when I

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01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 10: opened the Brain Performance Center, I decided, I'm not using

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Speaker 10: that language anymore. I'm not talking mental health because it's lonely,

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01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 10: nobody wants to talk about it. And I switched my

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01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 10: language to brain help. And I got a lot more

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Speaker 10: conversation out of that because that and put it into

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Speaker 10: context of the brain is an organ, just like your heart.

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01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 10: And if we think there's something wrong with our heart,

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01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 10: it doesn't paint more than a day to get an

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01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 10: appointment with a cardiologist. But if we wake up and

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01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 10: we just feel too overwhelmed to go to work or

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01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 10: it's just too fatigue, we don't think, oh my brain,

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Speaker 10: it's an organ it needs care. We just have nasty

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Speaker 10: conversations with ourselves. Come on, man power through, suck it up,

1201
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 10: butter up, yep. And that is we're not reacting in

1202
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 10: the right way. And brain health has evolved in my mind.

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01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 10: In twenty twenty one, when I opened the Brain Performance Institute,

1204
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 10: I started talking about brain capital because the biggest asset

1205
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 10: any of us.

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Speaker 2: Have is our brain.

1207
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Speaker 1: Gee is the author of the book Turn Your Brain

1208
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: On to Get Your game on? The How What Why

1209
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: to peak performance? Doctor Lee Richardson is always great having

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01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: me on. You stay well, We need to hear your voice.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, kem Yeah, you bet. You know it's

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Speaker 2: the core of all This is me anecdotally. I'm not

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01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 2: a doctor, don't pretend to be one.

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Speaker 1: I think sleep issues, I think those are are largely

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01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: to blame for a lot of what goes on inside

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01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: the rest of our body.

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01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,160
Speaker 2: Seventy million people have sleep issues.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that until I actually looked it up

1219
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: and then I saw this from the Mayo Clinic forty

1220
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: percent increase if you have sleep issues, There was a

1221
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: forty There was a forty percent increase according to the

1222
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: Mayo Clinic Clinic for risk of dementia, equivalent to about

1223
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: three and a half years of accelerated brain aging. And

1224
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 1: then insomnia leads to other things like high blood pressure,

1225
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: heart disease, stroke, obesity, type two diabetes. If you have

1226
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: trouble sleeping, get some get some help for that, because

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01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is it could really turn

1228
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: your upside down. And then it makes you so crazy

1229
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: you go to TikTok for advice. It's coming up on

1230
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: one fifty five. Why are so many bald guys getting

1231
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: on airplanes and flying to Turkey and hungry?

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Speaker 2: We'll deal with that next on seven hundred WLW. All right,

1233
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 2: here we go, Here we go, Oh, here we go.

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01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: The average American in for the great American on this Friday,

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01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: two ten in the afternoon here in Greater Cincinnati. However

1236
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: you're listening, whether it's through this great medium of terrestrial

1237
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: radio or on the iHeartRadio app. However, you're consuming this

1238
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: fifty thousand watt mother flamethrower WLWWI welcome you in. We

1239
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: got bowl games today. You know these ball games. I mean,

1240
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Speaker 1: I love college football, But what am I watching? Watching uniforms.

1241
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: A lot of players don't show up, They go into

1242
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: the paral, they declare for the draft. Miami had a

1243
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: quarterback quit in the middle of the season, So I'm

1244
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 1: not sure what I'm watching. Maybe some players that'll be

1245
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: something down the road or whatever. But I mean, we've

1246
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,919
Speaker 1: got the game above Sports Bowl. Well wait a minute,

1247
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: let's think about this. We're watching the game above Sports Bowl, right,

1248
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: But it's sports that we're watching, so I'm not sure

1249
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: about that anyway. It is Central Michigan in Northwestern Northwestern

1250
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: with a fourteen to nothing lead in the second quarter,

1251
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: and then later on tonight like four point thirty. We

1252
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 1: got more bowl games. We've got four point thirty tonight.

1253
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: We have the Rate Bowl New Mexico against Minnesota that's

1254
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 1: in Phoenix, and then the Serve Pro First Responders Bowl

1255
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: Florida International against the University of Texas San Antonio. Oh

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01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 1: be still my beating heart. I'm going to be front

1257
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: and center for that one. That's a Gerald J. Ford

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01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: Stadium in Dallas, Texas. So that's all that's going on. Oh.

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01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: By the way, Ohio University has found a coach. It's

1260
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator. They elevated him, John Howser. He replaces

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01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 1: Brian Smith, who was fired for cause after allegations of

1262
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: quote unquote serious professional misconduct romantic relationship with a student.

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01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 1: I'm shucked that that's going on at Ohio University. Why

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01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: are so many bald guys getting on airplanes and heading

1265
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: across the seas to Turkey. Well, I'm telling you why.

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01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: Hair restoration is booming globally. But Turkey has become a

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01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: major hotspot because it offers top tier procedures for around

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01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: four thousand dollars. Here in the United States, you're looking

1269
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: to get some plugs twelve grand. So that makes traveling

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01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,560
Speaker 1: abroad appealing. And that's where a lot of guys go

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01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: when they want to, you know, recapture the rapture when

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01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: it comes to their follicles. But there is a more

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01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: sane alternative, and standing by is someone who offers it.

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01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: Doctor Brett Bolton is the founder of Great Hair Transplants

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01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: and creator of the Max Harvest, and he is widely

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01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: believed to be the number one hair transplant surgeon in

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01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 1: the world. In fact, the World's Greatest tell Vision Show

1278
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: named him the greatest hair transplant surgeon in the entire world.

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01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: So if you're boarding a plane anytime soon to go

1280
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: to Turkey or Hungry or any place in between, stop,

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01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: do not proceed to go. Listen to doctor Bret Bolton.

1282
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: Doctor Bolton, how are you in this glorious Friday after Christmas?

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01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, what a great introduction.

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01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 9: Thank you so much. I'm very appreciative of that introduction.

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01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 2: I'm doing great.

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01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 9: Thank you.

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01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 2: I'm glad you are.

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Speaker 1: Let let's just talk about hair restoration. I mean, I

1289
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: see a lot of ball guys. Okay, see the guys

1290
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: that are let's just say, folliclely challenged that are walking

1291
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: around and I think they've given up. They just shaved

1292
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: the old head because of receding hairlines that have gone

1293
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,560
Speaker 1: awry and whatnot. But before we get into why you

1294
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 1: are so great and why you don't have to go

1295
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: halfway around the world to get your hair back, just

1296
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: how difficult a process is hair restoration? I mean, is

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: it involved? I'm sure it's not one stop and your cured.

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01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:57,879
Speaker 1: But how involved is the process?

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01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 9: Well, it's great question you're asking, and that the answer

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01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 9: is it can be extremely involved or can not be

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01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 9: because many patients have different stages of hair loss. So

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01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 9: dependent upon the stage of hair loss, you have determines

1303
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 9: how much of a challenge it may be to restore it.

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01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 9: But step one ways in the process is trying to

1305
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 9: keep the patients on some form of preventative treatment. We

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01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 9: fortunately have two FDA approved preventive treatments that exist, the

1307
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,560
Speaker 9: first one being Propecia, which is the brand name. The

1308
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 9: ingredient is an asteride and that's a pill and you

1309
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:41,799
Speaker 9: take one pill and that helps to stop the genetic

1310
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 9: reason we're losing our hair. So that stops the testostrome

1311
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 9: from diverting into the dihydro testosterone. That's what's causing a

1312
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,719
Speaker 9: mucacy secretion called the sebum to build up. That sebum

1313
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 9: build up will that miniaturize the hair follicle and keep

1314
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 9: it from making its way through, So that propecia is

1315
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 9: directly stopping that conversion, and that helps to keep what

1316
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 9: we have in place. The second ft airproof treatment is

1317
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 9: called Rogain, which I know you know about bentofis the seventies.

1318
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 9: That's another great product. However, that's applied twice a day. Topically,

1319
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 9: it's a vasodia lator, so it opens up the plug assels.

1320
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 9: It allows more minerals and nutrients and oxygen to get

1321
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 9: where it needs to go to make a better environment

1322
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,600
Speaker 9: for those ministrized hairs to make their way through. So

1323
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 9: if you have extensive hair loss, you know what, we

1324
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 9: always recommend more than one procedure because it's a large

1325
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 9: surface area, whereas if you might have a smaller area

1326
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 9: that just needs to be filled in, you might get

1327
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 9: away with one, dependent upon the stage you're at. And

1328
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 9: whether or not you're on these preventive treatments.

1329
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: But if you're completely bald, you've got it through the plugs, right,

1330
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean, taking finesteride is great. A lot of people,

1331
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: a lot of men take finesteride because of an enlarged

1332
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:57,879
Speaker 1: prostate rogain. I mean, it's great if you're just snitning.

1333
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: But if you're you know, if you're somebody that that

1334
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: it's all gone, you got to get into the drugs

1335
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: at that point, don't you.

1336
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 2: You're exactly right.

1337
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 9: But even though even though you're lost most of your hair,

1338
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 9: we still need to secure what's left because so for example,

1339
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 9: let's say I, you know, restore the top of your

1340
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 9: head and then on the side it drops down, so

1341
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 9: then you create this like alley around the transplanted area,

1342
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 9: so you're chasing the laws. So whether you're bald or not,

1343
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 9: it's always recommended you do the treatments so we don't

1344
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 9: have a moving target because it just makes it easier

1345
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 9: to get you to finish line. Those products do not

1346
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 9: grow hair. That's one of the biggest misconceptions. People think, oh,

1347
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 9: I'll get my hair back.

1348
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 2: No you don't.

1349
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 9: You're just using those to help protect whatever you can,

1350
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 9: and you still can lose more hair. So in the

1351
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 9: case you're talking about a guy who has a lot

1352
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 9: of hair. Typically, you know what I do is unique.

1353
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 9: I happen to more here than anybody in the world.

1354
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 9: My patient's flying from all over the world. They have

1355
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 9: me do what I do because it's a unique procedure,

1356
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:10,240
Speaker 9: and you know I could I usually, like my patient

1357
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 9: today just got finished. He was pretty much balled. Like

1358
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 9: you said, we took him from front to back, but

1359
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 9: he's going to need to come back. You know, I

1360
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 9: have to space it out a little bit more so

1361
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 9: depending on time with their expectations are determined how many

1362
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 9: times they want to go through it.

1363
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 3: This.

1364
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 9: One guy might come out and say, hey, this is great,

1365
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 9: I love it. The next guy might come back and say,

1366
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 9: I need so it's you know, beauts, and they had

1367
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 9: them older.

1368
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 2: So you would do the plugs and then maybe do

1369
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 2: like finished right or something like that as a maintenance.

1370
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 2: Is that what you would do, exactly right? Yeah? So,

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01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 2: and I love how you keep saying plugs.

1372
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 4: That's awesome.

1373
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 9: You know what's funny is the fue surgery that they're

1374
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:52,879
Speaker 9: doing now that Turkey does is essentially the plugs are invented,

1375
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 9: so for for us, for us older folks, remember the

1376
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 9: baby hair, the baby doll hair, look or they had

1377
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 9: the little plugs all over the place. So what they're

1378
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,719
Speaker 9: doing with the fue is they're using the same punch

1379
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,160
Speaker 9: paths that they do with the plugs. However, they're just

1380
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 9: now using a smaller punch paths. So they took the

1381
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 9: oldest piece of garbage procedure, reinvented it with a new name,

1382
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 9: and they're.

1383
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 4: Sewing it to the public as the latest and greatest technique.

1384
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: Well, I'm watching, I'm reading the story here, and it's

1385
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 1: said that the hair restoration and transplant business is massive.

1386
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean, in twenty twenty two, the total number of

1387
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:33,919
Speaker 1: hair restoration procedures worldwide was seven hundred and thirty five thousand,

1388
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: and that the hair transplant market so I stood at

1389
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 1: US dollars at almost six billion, with a B billion dollars.

1390
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: So I'm sure it's greater than that because those numbers

1391
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,560
Speaker 1: are at least three maybe four years old. Well, you

1392
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: mentioned you mentioned Turkey, Okay, so I envisioned all these

1393
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:52,440
Speaker 1: bald guys.

1394
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 2: Getting on an airplane and flying a Turkey to get

1395
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 2: this time they're doing it.

1396
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're doing it Turkey. Is it cheaper in Turkey?

1397
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: And if it is cheaper or are you getting the

1398
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: same thing you'd get in the United States.

1399
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 9: So again it's going to be a mixed bag. So

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01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 9: the reason why people are going there, they're offering procedures

1401
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 9: at a fraction of the cost and what we're doing here.

1402
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 9: But they're doing the fuwe procedure what we were just

1403
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 9: talking about. And the reason they're doing that is the

1404
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 9: doctor doesn't have to be involved as much in the case.

1405
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 9: So for example, I could offer fuwe in my clinic,

1406
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 9: put it in the back room, have technicians do it

1407
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 9: and not be involved and probably triple my revenue. I

1408
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 9: don't do that because I don't believe that's the best

1409
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 9: way to do it. I would do it if I

1410
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,679
Speaker 9: felt it the best way to do a procedure, I'd

1411
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 9: be doing anfewe So you know, you don't like even

1412
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 9: in the United States, the doctors that are doing fuwe

1413
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 9: aren't doing it. They have clinicians. They are technicians, fly

1414
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 9: in they do the procedure for them, and they're in.

1415
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 4: Their other room doing them a nose job or a

1416
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 4: move job or dermatology.

1417
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 2: Or whatever they're doing.

1418
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 9: So that helped to sload the industry because you don't

1419
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 9: have to have the doctor be hands on, and it's

1420
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 9: not even legal in any the state what they're doing.

1421
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: So you could go like the Turkey and get hair restoration,

1422
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: get a boob job, maybe a Brazilian button list, and

1423
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: be out the door.

1424
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 2: Like in eight hours. Right maybe, yeah, but what are

1425
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 2: you saying for? That's the whole thing is what do

1426
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:25,439
Speaker 2: you do?

1427
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 9: You know it's back, so you us to get them

1428
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 9: for a few thousand dollars down there, but they're not doing,

1429
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 9: in my opinion, quality work. I do a lot of

1430
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,720
Speaker 9: correct the searching on those stations. The hairlines are very unnatural.

1431
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 9: The graphs are always in the wrong angles, which is

1432
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 9: very important. How they're angled up and they'll just be

1433
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 9: angled funny where they don't like it.

1434
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 3: Actually.

1435
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,559
Speaker 9: Also, the way they harvest the donor hair, they're taking

1436
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 9: out of doing what's called the safe zone.

1437
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 2: So you know how you picture that ball.

1438
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 9: Guy's got that ring around the back, so they're taking

1439
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 9: outside of that ring when the patient has hair. But

1440
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 9: when the patients losing the hair later on, they're going

1441
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 9: to lose their terms because yeah, you got to be

1442
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 9: specific where you get the hair from. So there's a

1443
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 9: lot of pitfalls. Who's working on you in Turkey? Who's there,

1444
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 9: who's in that room?

1445
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:13,800
Speaker 2: You have no idea.

1446
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 9: I mean with me, my same staff ten years, that's

1447
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,040
Speaker 9: all we do every day, doing the same thing every

1448
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 9: day with my staff. And I've been doing this twenty

1449
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 9: eight years. So you know, you got to understand you

1450
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 9: get what you pay for.

1451
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, I mean you created this Max Harvest, which

1452
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: is trademarked under your name. That's the technique you use.

1453
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: I said you where you were, I guess it was

1454
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: the world's greatest television show. You were named the greatest

1455
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: hair transplant surgery in the world. I mean, that's pretty

1456
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 1: big stuff, there, dog pretty big stuff.

1457
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 9: Thank you, Thank you so much. It's that's very humbly.

1458
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,879
Speaker 9: I'm very very humble by that. I really appreciate.

1459
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: Why are younger people driving this demand for hair restoration?

1460
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 2: Are people?

1461
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,959
Speaker 1: Have you noticed that that that that hair, that baldness

1462
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: or whatever the medical term is for. Do you know

1463
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 1: that it is happening You notice that that is happening

1464
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 1: more and more with younger people than it might have been.

1465
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 2: In years past.

1466
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 9: I think the biggest driving factor social media. You have

1467
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 9: a lot of these influencers that are going out and

1468
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 9: they're going to Turkey and they're filming the whole thing,

1469
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 9: and they have their followings, and then you have a

1470
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 9: lot of these all sorts of like social media pages

1471
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 9: where they communicate about the transplant and pending commercials for

1472
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 9: hymns in Roland and blah blah blah.

1473
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 2: So I think with all that marketing, it's really put.

1474
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 9: An emphasis for younger people to get the restoration, whereas

1475
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 9: before you never saw that that was never out there.

1476
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 9: So I think all of those factor into this, and

1477
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 9: then it's available everywhere now that all these doctors, like, you.

1478
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 4: Know, there's a dentist locally that does deftuely.

1479
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,759
Speaker 9: We have the guy down the black you know, anyone

1480
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 9: gets put a machine in their back room and have

1481
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 9: a technician do it. So that's really changed everything, and

1482
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,760
Speaker 9: that's made it where it's a lot more available. Where

1483
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 9: when I first started my patience, you know, everyone flew

1484
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 9: in because there was just not that many quality doctors

1485
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 9: doing the transplants. But now they can go locally because

1486
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 9: there's more people doing it.

1487
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 1: Doctor Brett Bolton is our guest again. He is regarded

1488
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: as the greatest hair transplant surgeon in the world, and

1489
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about how you not only can get a

1490
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: nice bull head of hair, but also you can maintain

1491
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: it so that you don't have to worry every six

1492
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: eight months whether or not you know it's all going

1493
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: to fall out in the shower. Do you have to

1494
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: take hair doctor from the head? I mean some guys

1495
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,600
Speaker 1: are just hairy. They got it on their chest, they

1496
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: got on their back, they got it on their arms.

1497
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: Could you have to take it from the header? Can

1498
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: you take it from other places on the body?

1499
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 9: So you're one hundred percent right, Yes, you can definitely

1500
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 9: take hair from other parts. Soloicles can be moved from

1501
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 9: your arm or your back or anywhere there's a blood

1502
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 9: bike and grow. So yes, we can definitely do that,

1503
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 9: but those are for like super string cases. We want

1504
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 9: to you know, obviously get as much out of the

1505
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 9: donor area as possible because.

1506
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 4: Remember, your arm hair is going to grow like an

1507
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 4: arm hair whenning to sit on the top of your head.

1508
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 2: Your back hair is going to look like a back here,

1509
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Right, So yeah, so we.

1510
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 9: Want to definitely use the proper donor here if possible,

1511
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 9: But there's definitely some extreme cases where patients are really

1512
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 9: gone and we need to take it from other area.

1513
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 1: For sure, I try to nail you down on a price.

1514
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: If I go to see doctor Brett Bolton and he said, well,

1515
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: it depends on the severity. So obviously people that have

1516
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,960
Speaker 1: a little more here to work with, it's not going

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01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: to be quite expensive. But there's got to be like

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01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: an entry level price, right, there's got to be like

1519
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: that car without air conditioning and a radio.

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01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 2: So what is it in your business? What's the entry

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01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 2: level adace?

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01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 9: So for me, my prices started two thousand dollars, but

1523
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,839
Speaker 9: then they can go off ards to twenty so depending

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01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 9: on how much.

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01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 9: Well but yeah, to understand when when you pick a

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01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 9: doctor that's I'm doing this twenty eight years with guarantee

1528
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 9: the results, you're you're getting what you're paying for. So

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01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 9: when you go to yeah that's what you want to do.

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01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean look you you you you hung the

1531
01:21:17,960 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: shingle twenty eight years ago and if it didn't work,

1532
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,679
Speaker 1: you'd be in some other line of work at this point,

1533
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 1: so yeah, it must work. How backed up are you

1534
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: like if somebody's listening right now. And then I say, hey,

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01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: I want to go to Fort Laura. I'm going to

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01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 1: see this guy. Are you are you taking patients into

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01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six or are you booked up to like

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01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: twenty thirty five.

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01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 9: I wish yeah, but no, we definitely will. We'll make

1540
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,519
Speaker 9: room for anybody who's ready for an air, especially if

1541
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:48,759
Speaker 9: they come from your show. So we'll make a spash

1542
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 9: live for your audience.

1543
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's doctor Bolton there. He'll guarantee a full head

1544
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 1: of hair and a full set of teeth. And but

1545
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,679
Speaker 1: the fact that the battle is it is a booming

1546
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: business because people want to people. You know, Doc, people

1547
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: just want to look younger. They want to look better,

1548
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 1: and they want to look younger. And whether it's a

1549
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: facelift or some other part of your body that needs

1550
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 1: a lift or hair restoration, we're in a society right

1551
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: now that does not treat older people as well as

1552
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 1: they treat younger, good looking people.

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01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:18,560
Speaker 2: Have you noticed that?

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01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 9: I completely agree. Yeah, I have patients like it was funny.

1555
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 9: I tell a story about a month ago. My Monday

1556
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,560
Speaker 9: patient was an eighty four year old man, and my

1557
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 9: Tuesday patient was an eighty five year old woman and

1558
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 9: just to imploid it, you know, and.

1559
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 2: They both said that.

1560
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 9: I asked them, you know, what's your goal is, why

1561
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 9: do you want to do this? They both had the

1562
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 9: same answer. I look in the mirror and I don't

1563
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,200
Speaker 9: see myself anymore, and I want to feel like myself again.

1564
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,560
Speaker 9: And when they get that hair back, it gives me

1565
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 9: the confidence back. It changes the way they see themselves.

1566
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 9: Even though they're elderly. They don't want to look that

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01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 9: way or feel that way. So it's it's you know,

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01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 9: it's a great time for Cosmix because we have all

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01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 9: sorts of you know, different treatments that little touches that

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01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 9: are not too hard to do, as far as the

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01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,320
Speaker 9: injections boatocks erexcellent.

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01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 4: And you know the big you know for the manners

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01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 4: the hair.

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Speaker 9: So it's a really great thing and it really it's

1575
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 9: as it sounds, to change the people vide.

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01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I look in the mirror and I say, who

1577
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: the hell are you? And how did you get into

1578
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: my house? That's that's how people get hold of you.

1579
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 1: Where can they find doctor Brett? Thank you so much

1580
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 1: at Great Hair Transplants dot com. Okay hair trade hair

1581
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: your great hairtag plants dot com. You got it all right,

1582
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 1: thought this is good stuff. I'm in.

1583
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 2: Thank you, hopefully someone else is you.

1584
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 1: Take care, stay well and if if we don't talk again,

1585
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: have a happy twenty twenty six.

1586
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for other can words, and thank

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01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 2: you for having me. And you're shore you bet.

1588
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:50,680
Speaker 1: And by the way, if you're at the airport you

1589
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: see a bald guy getting on a planet it's flying ease,

1590
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 1: just say hey, are you really going to Turkey? Or

1591
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, maybe just making a side trip first to

1592
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: Fort Lauderd, or maybe you could just mind your own

1593
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: business to twenty eight.

1594
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 2: On this Friday news Radio seven hundred wl W.

1595
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: Two forty two on this Friday afternoon, it's the average

1596
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 1: American and for the great American, Dan Carol and Jason Williams.

1597
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: And after the news at the top of the hour,

1598
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: they'll take you right to six o'clock. No hockey game

1599
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: tonight is we've been mentioning. Jack Crumley has been mentioning

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01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 1: all afternoon. The Cyclones sounds like they're fixing to go

1601
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: on strike with the rest of the East Coast Hockey

1602
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: League players and with no agreement between the Cyclones and

1603
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,520
Speaker 1: the folks at the EHL.

1604
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 2: It's it's on, baby.

1605
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: You might see some of your favorite players picketing outside

1606
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: Heritage Bank Center soon.

1607
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for that.

1608
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:56,599
Speaker 1: There's a lot of there are, I'm sorry, a lot

1609
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: of things that I would like to see in twenty

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01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: twenty six, and I'm sure you do to The list

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01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: probably is fairly endless. One thing I think a lot

1612
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: of people would like more is more out of their job.

1613
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 1: Gallup just at a study and it was a worldwide study,

1614
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 1: it was not anything confined to the United States, and

1615
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 1: it found that seventy seven percent of employees worldwide, seventy

1616
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: seven percent feel disengaged at work, and that disengagement is

1617
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: costing employe ers around the world eight point eight trillion,

1618
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: with a t trillion dollars. Used to be you got

1619
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,640
Speaker 1: bored out at work. Now apparently you're I mean you

1620
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: used to get burned out of work. I'm sorry. Now

1621
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: apparently you're bored out at work. And I've often wondered

1622
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: that phenomena, because why take a job if you don't

1623
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:49,759
Speaker 1: think it's going to be something that's going to really

1624
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: jazz up? And it leads into a theory that I

1625
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,600
Speaker 1: have and that is particularly with the younger generation, the

1626
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: gen Z folks. They're not looking for careers. They're not

1627
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 1: looking for a old watch at the end of the line,

1628
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,440
Speaker 1: They're looking for a job that fits into their lifestyle,

1629
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: something that will pay the bills at home, because home

1630
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,599
Speaker 1: is the most important thing. And you know, there's nothing

1631
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 1: wrong with that. In the bad old days, the employer

1632
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 1: thought that he or she owned you, hook line and sinker,

1633
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:21,560
Speaker 1: whether you were on the job or not. And it

1634
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 1: shouldn't be that way. And the pengulum is spunk swung

1635
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: the other way. But apparently this bore out is a

1636
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 1: big deal. Dwayne Deson is someone who is employe er

1637
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: slash employee relationship expert, and he has written a book

1638
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: called Operationally Spelt and that sounds like maybe it's got

1639
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 1: something to do with AI. But nevertheless, I asked Dwayne

1640
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: to join me on the show here to talk a

1641
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,919
Speaker 1: little bit about what's this difference between borout and burnout

1642
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: and if it does have anything to do with AI.

1643
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:56,639
Speaker 1: So let's bring them on in. He's here on a Friday,

1644
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,479
Speaker 1: it's probably a day off from him, and hit him

1645
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 1: carving out some time for us.

1646
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 2: Dwayne decent, how are you on this glorious Friday?

1647
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:06,080
Speaker 3: I am very welken.

1648
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 2: Thank you for calling.

1649
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 9: What is the.

1650
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,479
Speaker 1: Difference between bore out and burnout? Where would the line

1651
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: be drawn there?

1652
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 11: Well, the big difference is that I think is with

1653
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 11: burnout you're much more exhausted because you're being overworked, and

1654
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 11: borout can be for a few reasons. Either you're underworked

1655
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 11: and therefore your board, or perhaps you're just not challenged,

1656
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 11: which is the other common aspect of boorout. Now there's

1657
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 11: they're very both have serious consequences. One a lot of

1658
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 11: people you start having ascesses and people leave because of

1659
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,600
Speaker 11: the burned out, But people that are borout are not

1660
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 11: engaged and usually are not producing the best work because

1661
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:44,640
Speaker 11: of that.

1662
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 2: Either way, it sounds like it's a management problem.

1663
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 11: Well, I would actually say cube issues one. It is

1664
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,479
Speaker 11: the management problem where that means you're not challenging your ployees,

1665
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 11: you're not creating a dynamic, exciting environment and therefore you

1666
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 11: and you're not helping your employee grow and they're.

1667
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 2: For their board.

1668
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 11: So I would say yes, But there's also an employee

1669
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 11: aspect of this where you have to make sure you

1670
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 11: don't take a job that is not going to challenge you.

1671
01:28:10,120 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 11: If you take a job just because you want maybe

1672
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 11: a work life balance and low hours or whatever your criteria,

1673
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 11: and then all of a sudden you're not challenged at work,

1674
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 11: that's a bad thing too. So I think you have

1675
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 11: to make sure that you seek opportunities as an employee

1676
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 11: that is going to challenge you and going to make

1677
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 11: you work and not cause a bore out certain extent,

1678
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 11: you know.

1679
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 1: I see this this Gallop report that says that employee

1680
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:34,640
Speaker 1: engagement in our country fell to its lowest level in

1681
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: ten years. That was a report of survey I guess

1682
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 1: taken in twenty twenty four, thirty one percent of workers

1683
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: say they feel engaged on the job. Okay, So if

1684
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,800
Speaker 1: you're not engaged on the job, you're either not buying

1685
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 1: in right or you're not be given a reason to

1686
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 1: buy in.

1687
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:50,160
Speaker 2: And I.

1688
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: Don't understand where the problem is here, because if the

1689
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,599
Speaker 1: boss wants to make money, right, boss wants to make money,

1690
01:28:57,680 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: and on a lot of jobs, if the boss is

1691
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 1: making money, chances are you doing the work for the

1692
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: boss will make money. So how has it fallen into

1693
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,679
Speaker 1: only thirty one percent here in recent In this recent

1694
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: survey how's it falling that low?

1695
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 11: Well, I think that's set back to a little bit

1696
01:29:14,360 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 11: of the combination of employees are taking positions that aren't

1697
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 11: challenging them, is one, and so that's creating a problem

1698
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 11: because people want to have this work life balance, and

1699
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 11: that's very common on the younger generations now. But then

1700
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 11: I also think that work is trying to become so

1701
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 11: automated now that we are trying to we feel like

1702
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 11: to be efficient and to manage costs, we have to

1703
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 11: make everything very routine and tight, and so there's very

1704
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 11: little variation in processes, and because of that, we almost

1705
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 11: end up acting like you're a machine where you're doing

1706
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 11: one function over and over and over again, and then

1707
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 11: you result and end up feeling unchallenged because of it.

1708
01:29:52,200 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the second time that you've said the

1709
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 1: word or the phrase, don't feel challenged at work. Okay,

1710
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,440
Speaker 1: I'm looking for another job. Well, this is a hypothetical.

1711
01:30:01,439 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm very happy where I am with us. I'm looking

1712
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: for another job and I'm looking around, and I'm looking

1713
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 1: at various companies that offer what I do. How would

1714
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: I how would I go through the interview process and

1715
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 1: know that this is a job that would challenge me,

1716
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 1: knowing full well that the other side of this is

1717
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 1: we're talking about work life balance, where you'll take anything

1718
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:26,760
Speaker 1: to earn a paycheck, to make sure that things at

1719
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 1: home are the most important things in your life. Nothing worried,

1720
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,560
Speaker 1: nothing wrong about that. Certainly that's a great priority for

1721
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 1: a number of people. But how do you know when

1722
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,120
Speaker 1: you're out there if a job that's offered to you

1723
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: will be a job that will challenge you and you

1724
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: will not become bored out?

1725
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 3: Great question. What you really need to do is ask

1726
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 3: to speak to.

1727
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 11: Other peers that you'll be working with and to get

1728
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 11: a feel for the company, to get a.

1729
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 2: Feel for what they do and what their job roles are.

1730
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 11: And then one of the questions you can ask them

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01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 11: to say how challenged do they feel on the day

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01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 11: to day base, whether what's their hours are, do they

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01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 11: receive additional training or other types of aspects that might

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Speaker 11: make their positions more interesting.

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Speaker 2: So don't just.

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01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,719
Speaker 11: Take a job that you that you interview with your boss.

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01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 11: You spend an hour with that person. You assume you

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01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 11: understand a position if you can, and I think usually

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01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 11: the most companies are very open to this. Try to

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01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 11: speak with some of the people that you'll be working

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01:31:22,240 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 11: with that have similar positions, so that you really garner

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01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 11: what they're doing.

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01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would seem to me that the people that

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01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: would be the most successful at this would be the

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01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 1: people are speaking of, people who are not going to

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01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: be bored out or not going to be burned out,

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01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: would have an ultimate goal. This is what I would

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01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 1: want to do, This is what I want to do

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01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: ten years from now, This is where I would ultimately

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01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 1: like to wind up in this career that I'm building.

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01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 1: I mean, that's probably old guy thinking because now I think,

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01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:57,719
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, we have a society, particularly the younger

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01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: demographic of it, that wants work life life balance. And

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01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:05,719
Speaker 1: because of that, careers really aren't the issue here. It's jobs.

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01:32:06,280 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 1: They'll take a job as opposed to looking at what

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01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: the long term goals are for a quote unquote career.

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01:32:12,680 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 1: Have careers taken a back seat with the under thirty

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01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 1: crowd in your opinion, I think there.

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01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 2: Is a problem with that.

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01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 11: I think many people aren't looking what they want today

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01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 11: and not necessarily what they're.

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01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 2: Going to want in ten or twenty years from now.

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01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 11: So when you are thinking about your career, you should

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01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 11: be thinking about the long term aspects of that and

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01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 11: make sure that you are working to that and progressing

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01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 11: along that path. And I think you bring up a

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01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 11: good point about making sure that you're challenged and be

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01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 11: other ways of doing that other than just what the

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01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 11: employee provides you. You can go to your employer and

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01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,640
Speaker 11: tell them and say i'd like additional responsibility, take the initiative.

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01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,719
Speaker 11: You can look for training opportunities so you can expand

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01:32:51,800 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 11: your skills, look for processes that aren't working well and

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01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 11: make suggestions and get involved in how to improve them,

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01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,200
Speaker 11: so kind of become part of a solution. And if

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01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 11: you do that, you really ask not only you're going

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01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:04,000
Speaker 11: to feel more engaged, but you're going to add a

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01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 11: lot more value to the company and be more appreciated.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would have to think that anybody who with half

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01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: a brain that runs a company would be able to

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01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: identify a person like that as opposed to just some

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01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 1: floater or somebody that's just trying to take a job.

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01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 1: Dwin decent business strategist. His book has operationally spelt managed

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01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 1: costs to increase profit and enhance performance. Look, this is

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01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 1: maybe all topic a little bit, but AI is here,

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01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 1: and it's only going to become more prevalent in a

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01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:35,559
Speaker 1: lot of businesses. If you're somebody who is a line worker,

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01:33:35,680 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 1: someone who's not middle management, someone who is not in

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01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:39,480
Speaker 1: the corner.

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01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 2: Suite, the C suite, what should you be doing about AI?

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01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: Because it sounds like AI is going to take away

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01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 1: a lot of the jobs maybe that we've been talking

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01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 1: about here in the last couple of minutes.

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01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:53,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do not think you're off point at all.

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01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:56,639
Speaker 11: AI is a big factor, particularly here because you're talking

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01:33:56,640 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 11: about people that are doing somewhat read team task or

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01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 11: not challenged for whatever reason. But usually that's a sign

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01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 11: that has worked that AI can do pretty efficiently as well.

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Speaker 3: So if you are in a position where you're bored.

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Speaker 11: Out, I do think you're more at risk being replaced

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Speaker 11: by an AI type of solution.

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Speaker 4: And I think the solution to that is not.

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Speaker 11: To avoid AI and dredd it, but it's actually to

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01:34:20,320 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 11: engage AI. How do you embrace AI in order to

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01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 11: make your job easier. May take away the boredom aspects

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01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 11: of what you do and the routine aspects of what

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01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 11: you do and try to make them something a little

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01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 11: bit more exciting, so you know you have the time

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Speaker 11: to concentrate on a type of work that maybe you

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Speaker 11: enjoy more, that's more creative that AI really.

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Speaker 3: Hasn't been able to do yet.

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01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And probably pick up a copy of operationally spelled

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01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: Manage Cost to Increase Profit and Enhance Performance would be

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01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: a good starting point and entry point and the Dwayne

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Speaker 1: Deson Business Strategist. And look, thanks for your time here, Dwayne.

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01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 1: I think you explain things rather well. We appreciate it,

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01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 1: let's face it. Down the road about that, I.

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Speaker 2: Look forward to it.

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01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, burnout, maybe not, Maybe you're just flat out board

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01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 1: neither man in either event. I mean, you know it's

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01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 1: up to you to fix it, right, nobody's gonna fix

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01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 1: it if you're bored except you. So hopefully that's not

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01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 1: a problem for you, well for me for that matter.

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Speaker 1: Going into twenty twenty six, two point fifty three, on

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Speaker 1: this Friday afternoon, news Radio seven hundred WLW