1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,360 Speaker 1: Deep Talk Station. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 2: Seventy nine, fifty five KRCY Talk Station. Happy Tuesday, the 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: return of Tom's Awastowski. You can find Tom online we 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 2: the People Convention dot Org, his podcast weekly. He's got 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: lots of great coverage on the website there with the 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: People Convention dot Org. Tom's Awastowski, Welcome back to the 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: fifty five KRCY Morning Show. Topic near and dear to 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: my listener's hearts as well as mine, property taxes in 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: the state of Ohio. Of course, there's a circulating petition 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: to try to get on the ballot a constitutional amendment 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: that would completely eradicate property taxes in Ohio. And I 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: know there's a group behind that. Apparently that group has 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 2: met with viveg. Gramis. I mean, you're here to explain that, 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: but also this new poll that you have done. Welcome back, Tom. 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure to have you on the morning show. 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: Oh great to be with you, Brian, to talk about, 17 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, really the most talked about topic in Ohio. 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: And you know, there's a lot to unpack here, but 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: I was very glad I think you probably were as 20 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: well to see the bank meet with the Axe Ohio people. 21 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: With Brian Massey and Leonard and those guys. Uh, you know, 22 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: they've put got a statement, and I don't think they're 23 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: being went all that well, but at least it shows 24 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: that the THEK is interested in the topic, is listening, 25 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: you know, to people to try to figure out, okay, 26 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: how do we address what is really an egregious, you know, 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: situation where people have been taxed out of their homes. 28 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I was happy to see they get 29 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: together well. 30 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: And I think he would be a fool to ignore 31 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 2: that issue, given that it is, you know, a really 32 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: a dominant topic here in Ohio and got a lot 33 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: of seniors struggling to stay in their homes. We got 34 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: whacked not that long ago by a really huge increase 35 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: in property taxes brought about by the increase in real 36 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: estate values. I mean, something's got to give here. So 37 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: he wants to talk about it. But did he say 38 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: he's in favor of eliminating it by way of a 39 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: constitutional amendment? I can't imagine he went that far yet. 40 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I, you know, I want to share 41 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,919 Speaker 1: with your listeners something that I have not made public previously. 42 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: And the reason why THEVANK you know, is not you know, 43 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: willing to commit. I don't think anybody is to total 44 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: repeal of property taxes is because the voters just don't 45 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: support it. You know, to could do some context. Literally 46 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: nine months ago, I said, geez, I really want to 47 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: try to help the repeal property tax effort. You know, 48 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: Brian and Leonard of these guys have been friends of mine, 49 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: they're grasp News people, They're sincere in their efforts. And 50 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: so I and some other patriots went out and tried 51 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: to raise money to get this on the ballot, because, 52 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: as you know, it costs millions of dollars to collect 53 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: these signatures. I mean, I'm one of the few people 54 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: alive in the state who's actually passed a constitutional amendment. 55 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 1: I was the president of the Ohio Liberty Coalition back 56 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: in twenty eleven when we passed the Ohio health Care Amendment, 57 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: and I know some things from that, and I learned 58 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: some hard lessons. So when we went out to look 59 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: for money, Brian, well, you know, no one's going to 60 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: give you millions of dollars if they don't think you've 61 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: got a good chance of succeeding. So last December, we 62 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: paid for a statewide survey and I mean We did 63 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: a really good job of looking at every county individually 64 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: to see will people support a complete repeal of property taxes? 65 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: And the answer is absolutely not. The number came back 66 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 1: at only seventeen point two percent of people in Ohio 67 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: want a full repeal, but sixty nine percent want reform. 68 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: And that had caused me to have to pivot and 69 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: try to talk to the act of hiow tax people 70 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: and say, guys, you know this is not going to fly. 71 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: We need something else, something else. And therein lies the challenge, 72 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: what something else is going to provide us relief and 73 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: yet allow of course, schools and parks and police and 74 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: fire to continue to be funded. Let's first start with 75 00:03:56,520 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: the with the poll here, I see that you you 76 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: pulled twelve hundred and forty seven registered voters. I saw 77 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: the margin of error described as plus or minus two 78 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: point eight percent, which is a pretty good margin of error. 79 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: Who did you hire to do the polling? Because trust me, 80 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: you're not You understand this. I think everybody in my 81 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: listening audience has a jaundiced eye of skepticism when it 82 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: comes to any poll. We've all been burned by believing polls. 83 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: So where are we with just the overall polling, who 84 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 2: did it and what specifics do you have on that. 85 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: Well, See, this is really important because those of your 86 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: listeners who are familiar with me personally and with the 87 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: WEA That People convention, know that years ago we realized 88 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: all the polls were propaganda, and we started doing our 89 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 1: own polling and we were the only we were literally 90 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: the only person, I guess we were one of two 91 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: people who actually called President Trump winning Ohio in twenty 92 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: sixteen with our poll when they were telling us that 93 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton was going to win by sixteen percent, and 94 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: we said Trump's going to win by eight point four, 95 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: and he won by eight point two. So it has 96 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: always been our policy the way people connection to do 97 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: our own polling. Now, you know, things have changed since then. 98 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: We used to just use our own equipment and do 99 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, phone calls to do the pulling, and now 100 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: you've got to do a lot more. So we had 101 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: to hire, you know, some professional pulling companies to help us. 102 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 1: But this is critical. We got to tell ourselves the truth. 103 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: Tom Zalatowski is not going to make decisions that, in fact, 104 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: you know, literally millions of Ohioans based on some phony 105 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: poll and so I'm very confident in this poll because 106 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: I helped with the questions and I help with the methodology, 107 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: and we know we got what we paid for, and 108 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: believe me, it costs a lot of money. 109 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: All Right, We're going to dive in some of the 110 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: polling results which are really interesting. Yes, a lot of 111 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: people support reforming. They don't necessarily approve the abolishment, which 112 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 2: Tom just pointed out, only seventeen point two percent of 113 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: those polled up call for the total abolishment. But that 114 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that there isn't a desire for some change here. 115 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 2: Let's dive into more details, Tom z Awastowski, We the 116 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 2: People Convention dot org. 117 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: Will bring see the talk station. 118 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 2: If you bought KRECD talk station right time was so 119 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: Tom's Awastowski for We the People Convention dot Org get 120 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: ready to dive on in the property tax reform in Ohio. 121 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: What voters believe, what the data shows statewide survey. Tom's 122 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: got great confidence in it. He's got prior polls that 123 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: he has done to stand on proving that he has 124 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: been very accurate. Now pivoting over before we dive on 125 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 2: to some of the results which I find very interesting. 126 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 2: Tom now did you poll only property owners, did you 127 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: get kick renters out of the polling? I know renters 128 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: pay property tax, they just don't generally realize it that 129 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: it does get passed on. In the monthly rent build 130 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 2: the property tax of the building goes up. Excuse me, 131 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 2: you won't know who's going to pay it. But was 132 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: there any differentiation in the polling between real property owners 133 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 2: and renters? 134 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, there really was. And again we were careful to 135 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: make sure we really dug down and got representation from 136 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: all voters, because if you're going to do a cost 137 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: social amendment, now you got to asked on the ballot. 138 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: And there is a difference. Obviously, people that rent don't 139 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: Most of them don't get that connection that their rent 140 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: is tied to property taxes. I want to point out 141 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: a really interesting statistic though. While we said, geez, only 142 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: seventeen point two percent are for total elimination, uh, there's 143 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: another statistic where you know, forty two point eight percent 144 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: of the people polled of the voters said that they 145 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: support abolishing property taxes for owner occupied homes only. That's 146 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: a pretty interesting statistic and because a lot of people, 147 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: I think you've heard from your own listeners they don't 148 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: want Walmart and Costco and and and you know, big 149 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: businesses to get property tax release. They think, you know, 150 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: it should be for property owners. And so that forty 151 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: two point eight percent number, I think is something that 152 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: is being reflected in like a state Rep. Mark Heiner 153 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: has just he's in Districts ninety eight. He just put 154 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: up an amendment to you know, to abolish property taxes 155 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: all homeowners. The problem is brand that's like a ten 156 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: billion dollar hit. Now, property tax revenue in Ohio is 157 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: like twenty two to twenty four billion dollars. Ten percent 158 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: ten billion is like a forty five percent cut. That's 159 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: pretty tough to handle. I think that you know, initially 160 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: we need to get to meet the sweet spot is 161 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: like a twenty to twenty two percent cut initially, And 162 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: and so I don't think you can repeal private saxs 163 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: for all property owners, but maybe four people a sixty 164 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: five or older, or people who maybe have paid private 165 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: taxes for twenty five years, and by god, maybe you 166 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: should actually own their home after twenty five years. You know, 167 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: there's got to be some other way to do this. 168 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: And I'm talking to the Beck and Rob mccolly and 169 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: other legislators about you know, what's the best way to 170 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: go forward that we can pass right, but also does 171 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: the things we need to do, which is reform our 172 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 1: tax situation in Ohio. 173 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 2: Okay, So those are some of the possible ways we 174 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: can go rather than eliminate completely. Those are some of 175 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: the potential areas we could curb back or cut back 176 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: the property tax for at least some folks. But that 177 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: and actually that suggests the problem that I've been facing 178 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: with the complete elimination of it is what will they 179 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: do in response? I mean I almost I almost want 180 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: it to happen, just to see what our elected officials 181 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: are faced with. I mean, talk about deer in the headlights. 182 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 2: They'd be freaking out. And I relish that. But as this, 183 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: as the polling reflects, the reason that the vast majority 184 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: of people don't want to eliminate completely is the uncertainty 185 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: surrounding the replacement revenue. We don't know what's going to be. 186 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 2: What will happen when that deer in the headlight stops 187 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: and they start start acting on the elimination of property taxes? 188 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: So owner occupied homes only, that's one option. Let's see, 189 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 2: ability to pay is Central Ohio and Sense of Fairness, 190 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 2: eighty three point three percent believe recurring property taxes, if 191 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 2: they exist, should reflect income and ability to pay. It 192 00:09:57,800 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: sounds to me like we're getting into that class warfare 193 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: kind of thing. 194 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: Tom for that that status stocked me. I was like, whoa, 195 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't like that at all. That's kind of on 196 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: the socialism, you know, kind of path. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, 197 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: But it shows you though, the frustration is so high 198 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: that people will look to things like that, and we've 199 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: got to fix it. I mean, you got to love 200 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: Have you heard Amy Actor's proposal? Oh? You got you 201 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: gotta hear this. You're gonna love this real quick. She 202 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: just spoke. She was speaking at the Columbus Union Hall 203 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, and she said the former 204 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: state health director from Columbus suggested that one way to 205 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: lower local property taxes would be to increase state funding 206 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: to schools, police and fire departments and other public bodies, 207 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: so they don't need new property taxes. So let's just 208 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: take the money out of your other pocket and give 209 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: the schools and police all the money they want, so 210 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: you don't even get to vote on it. There you go. 211 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: So this is the problem. 212 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: Tom on that proposal that would require the elected officials 213 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 2: and columbus to determine what any given school district is 214 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: entitled to out of the pool of money that they 215 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: are Oh wow. 216 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we want that right. So here, here's talk. 217 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: About increasing union power or something I would imagine. 218 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: Well is what Amy actor is about at point she's running. Okay, 219 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: So here's the thing. The actual tax, the actual Hio tax. 220 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: People deserve a lot of credit because the basis of 221 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: their repeal amendment is we are just over tax at Ohio. 222 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: Our government at all levels is costing more than we 223 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: can afford. So the property tax issue, Brian, is not 224 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: just about property taxes. It's about an instrument to reform 225 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: all of our government. We need to give them a haircut. 226 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: And here's the memo to the legislature, to the police 227 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: Department's levers. We're going to cut your spending. You're going 228 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: to reform, you're going to get rid of duplicate programs, 229 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: you're going to be more efficient, you're going to implement 230 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: AI And if you think about it, that all dovetails 231 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: with the back Ramaswami is talking about. If he becomes governor. 232 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: He wants to reform our state. So we are we're 233 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: like Florida. I were right. 234 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 2: I wrote down Florida while you were talking, Tom, because 235 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: I wrote down Ramaswamy. He wants to get rid of 236 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: the income tax here. Now that complicates matters if you 237 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: want to get rid of the property taxes, because those 238 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: are two sources of revenue for the state. Yet and 239 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: we'll let you come back and talk about this. How 240 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: is it that Florida has been able to do all 241 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 2: this and has an economy that is booming. How is 242 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: it that they're moving in the direction of eliminating property 243 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: taxes along these lines although there are qualifications for their 244 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: elimination of property taxes when they already don't tax income. 245 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 2: This is strange. Can we mirror Florida? We'll bring Tom 246 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: back for one more as a couple of the talk 247 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 2: station seven fifty fifty about KRS he talks station. We're 248 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: talking with Tom Zawastowski from We the People Convention dot 249 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: org about the elimination of property taxes and how we 250 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: might go about doing it. And now his well conducted 251 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 2: survey reflects that, you know a lot of people are 252 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: tuned into the reality of eliminating it, it's going to 253 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: create some major uncertainty about what's going to replace the revenue. 254 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: So only seventeen point two percent of the folks say 255 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: absolutely abolished property taxes, but that doesn't mean they don't 256 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: all want it. So sixty nine percent of voters support 257 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: reforming the current property tax system. And that's some of 258 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 2: the areas we've been talking about with Tom this morning. 259 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: If we don't eliminate it completely, what can we do 260 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 2: by giving relief? And of course you were talking, you 261 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 2: mentioned Florida, which I had written down in advance to 262 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: ask you about. Florida has a different way of life. 263 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 2: They don't have see here, they don't have income tax 264 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: except corporate income tax I think is five point five percent. 265 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: Their state sales tax is six percent. And they are 266 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 2: moving forward with a proposal to eliminate property taxes a 267 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 2: homestead property exemption. That's not second homes or vacation rentals 268 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: or commercial property. But if you have your single primary 269 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,040 Speaker 2: residence home, it will be eliminated, with the exception of 270 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: of school taxes they're supposed to have, Like the school 271 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 2: taxes will still come out of like I guess the 272 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: property tax built, but it's a long way toward reform. Tom, 273 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: how come we can't be Florida. 274 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: Well, I think here's the best way. Stop spending. Yeah, 275 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,679 Speaker 1: I love these people who keeps talking about, Oh, we 276 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: got to replace the revenue. That's the whole point, not 277 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: to replace it. The whole point is to cut your 278 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: spending to reform government. I just can't believe it. But 279 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: it's a culture. Remember you go into office. I don't 280 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: care if you're a Tiship trustee or county commissioner, you know, 281 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: running a police department. What is your culture? More and 282 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: more and more, we need this, we need that, give 283 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: us more money. Let's put another levee on the ballot. 284 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: We have to change that culture. And that's what they're 285 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: doing in Florida, and that's what I think the Vike 286 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: is going to want to do here in Ohio. But 287 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: I've said that the veke listen, they're not going to share. 288 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: We learned from dog where we learned from doche Oh, 289 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: here's all this flawed abuse and things you should cut, 290 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: And they cut nothing because if they won't cut unless 291 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: they have to. So this property tax bill has to 292 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: be balanced. We've got to cut enough you know, so 293 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: that they have to reform right and get the message. 294 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: But also we have to give release to the people 295 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: who got thirty percent increases in their property taxes. They 296 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: got to get made whole. We got to get some 297 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: of that back. So we're talking about it, you know. 298 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: And the other part of it is, Brian, you know this, 299 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: I don't care if we cut all the property taxes. 300 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: Are we cut a dollar of property taxes, the interests, 301 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: the unions particularly are going to spend thirty million dollars 302 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: to defeat it at the at the know, no member election. 303 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: So we are raising money and I will know this week, 304 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: this not this week, this month, we will know if 305 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: we can raise the money we need to be able 306 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: to pass it. If we do get the legislature to 307 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: act on something that does cut property taxes and reform 308 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: government at all levels, that's my goal. That's what I'm 309 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: working on. I asked your listeners for their prayers that 310 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: we get this funding. We've been working really hard on 311 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: it for like ten months and we think we're there, 312 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: but without the funding, yeah, the legislatures is not going 313 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: to put anything on the ballot that can't be passed. 314 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: And you've got to have money to fight the left 315 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: when they come out and demonize everything you're doing. 316 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting to me that ADS money, money 317 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: equals ADS money equals propaganda, that people are so incapable 318 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: of thinking for themselves and ignoring the ads and just 319 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: looking at like, for example, your survey. If you are 320 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: asked a simple question like do you think we need 321 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: property tax reform in Ohio, and they say yes overwhelmingly, 322 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: how when you point to the loss of revenue and 323 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: that no one just immediately says, well, there's too many 324 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 2: services coming out of Ohio. They're trying to do too 325 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 2: many things with too little money. Maybe we need to 326 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: start cutting government. And how appealing that would sound if 327 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: you think about it logically and reasonably. Where does the 328 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: problem come from? The problem comes from a bloadd government 329 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: that spends too much and therefore needs to consume more 330 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 2: of our dollars. That's a period, end of story, and 331 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 2: that transcends the state of Ohio. We could point to 332 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: the federal government on that level, couldn't we tom going 333 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: back to DOJ. 334 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, Yeah, and you're hitting it right on the head. 335 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that are these people who want to keep 336 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: raising our taxes, use our tax money to Propaganda's about that. 337 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: And here we are, as taxpayers trying to protect our 338 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: own interests, and we've got to go out and raisilies 339 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: at hour so we can defend ourselves. There's something wrong 340 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: with that whole balance of power. We shouldn't have to 341 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: do that, but that's what we have to do, and 342 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: that's what we're trying to do. I have a lot 343 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: of hope. I think you're going to see something come 344 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: out in the next month or so that it's going 345 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: to be very very good for taxpayers. It's going to 346 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: cut their expenses, and it's also going to send a 347 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: message to every government agency at every level, you got 348 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: to cut your budget by like ten, fifteen or twenty 349 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: percent because we ain't going to fund you anymore. 350 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: Well, and the screaming at the radio going fraud, fraud, 351 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 2: wasted abuse, fraud, wasted abuse and government programs, Yeah, we 352 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: can address that and probably you know, deal with the 353 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 2: ledged hole that's going to be left here just by 354 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 2: getting rid of the fraud wasted abuse, which is that 355 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 2: AI you referred to earlier as a great mechanism to 356 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: maybe doing that on a going forward basis, we the 357 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,239 Speaker 2: People Convention dot org or is it dot org? 358 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: Right? 359 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 2: We the People Contention dot org. Tom's Awastowski. Are you 360 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: going to post the poll on your website? 361 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: I will. I have not yet. This is the first 362 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: time I've ever said it, you know, put it out 363 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: there for the public. So thank you for this opportunity. 364 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 2: It's an honor. 365 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: I will probably put it out in an email to 366 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: the state, you know, to my email list as we 367 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: go forward. But yeah, let's let's just keep moving in 368 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: the right direction. We hear the people. That's clear. We've 369 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: got to do something, and I'm committed to making sure 370 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 1: we do do something, and something that's good.