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Speaker 1: Aaron Kleiman is in studio until the bottom of the hour.

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Speaker 1: This text will introduce us to a subject will probably

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Speaker 1: explore in some depth. This is from Area Code seven

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Speaker 1: to one, he admits. He says, I may write and

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Speaker 1: I may come off as a poll out apologist, but ownership,

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Speaker 1: any ownership, a group is going to have money. The

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Speaker 1: next group, if there ever is one, will still have

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Speaker 1: a lack of media revenue, just like the poll ads.

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Speaker 1: I think if I translate what he's saying is we

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Speaker 1: can complain about the poll Aud approach, but if the

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Speaker 1: model is not improved upon, is it? Can we assume

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Speaker 1: that it would be all that different with any.

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Speaker 2: Other ownership group that comes in.

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Speaker 1: You and I've kind of talked about this before, but

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Speaker 1: to those folks who are in that camp, you say what.

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Speaker 3: I mean, There is definitely a lot of truth to that,

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Speaker 3: and that is probably why there's going to be a

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Speaker 3: lockout after this season, before next season, or before twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty seven. You know, baseball has gotten so I don't know,

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Speaker 3: just the opposite ends of the spectrum where you have

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Speaker 3: the Dodgers and the Mets and the Yankees. And that's

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Speaker 3: always been sort of true, but it's become so stratified

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Speaker 3: that you know, you have teams that are spending seventy

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Speaker 3: five million on payroll, or even the Twins are at

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Speaker 3: like one oh five right now, and you have teams

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Speaker 3: that are spending three fifty four hundred million, And it

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Speaker 3: is largely driven by what the emailer said, which is

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Speaker 3: local television revenue. There are teams that are making one

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Speaker 3: hundred million or more per season, and there are teams

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Speaker 3: like the Twins who they won't even say, but I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna guess they're making under twenty million per season with

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Speaker 3: Twins TV. So that is a huge thing. What I

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Speaker 3: will push back on is the idea that a baseball

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Speaker 3: team owned by a billionaire family has to be run

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Speaker 3: at a profit. And what I would say is, especially

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Speaker 3: in the fourth or fifth decade of ownership, where three

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Speaker 3: generations of have owned this thing, now go ahead and

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Speaker 3: sell the team if you're losing hundreds of millions of

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Speaker 3: dollars and you feel like you're too criticized, like there

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Speaker 3: will be other people who will take it over.

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Speaker 2: Now will those people spend more? Maybe maybe not.

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Speaker 3: But I do reject the premise of this is just

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Speaker 3: a business. It's not just a business, it's a community asset.

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Speaker 3: You need to be the stewards of this thing. And

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Speaker 3: also you see plenty of teams who are owners who

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Speaker 3: are willing to take a loss because they either are

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Speaker 3: fans of that team, which hopefully the poll AADs are

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Speaker 3: at this point, but they realize what it can do

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Speaker 3: for the community, and they can be they can use

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Speaker 3: their billions, not in a villainous way, which is often

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Speaker 3: the case with billionaires recently, but in a way that

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Speaker 3: can make thousands of people in your community happy, and

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Speaker 3: you can then become beloved. Because right now, if you

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Speaker 3: say the name pole Ad to anybody in Minnesota who's

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Speaker 3: paying attention, they're going to have negative feelings towards that, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, and maybe very negative feelings, But that doesn't

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Speaker 3: have to be the case. And to lose thirty million

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Speaker 3: a year, fifty million a year, these are small potatoes

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Speaker 3: in the world of billionaires. Now, the Poleads are in

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Speaker 3: a situation where they've maybe lost some money on some

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Speaker 3: of their business ventures of late, right, and it sort

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Speaker 3: of compounds and everything, and that's a different scenario. But

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Speaker 3: the comeback for I guess like defending billionaires in terms

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Speaker 3: They didn't become billionaires by losing money. Well, they became

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Speaker 3: billionaires because their grandfather was a billionaire. And they've lost

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Speaker 3: plenty of money on plenty of businesses. I know people

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Speaker 3: They have billions of da Right, hello, Dana, he might

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Speaker 3: be listening to this, who, by the way, speaks very

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Speaker 3: well of the pole Ads and Joe Pullet. That's a

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Speaker 3: that's a separate issue. But I just reject the idea

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Speaker 3: if you have five billion dollars, you can afford to

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Speaker 3: is not shocking. But then beyond that, Carl Pohle had

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Speaker 3: bought this thing for like forty million dollars in the

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Speaker 3: few months ago one point seven to one point eight billion.

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Speaker 3: But if they would have, they can at any point

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Speaker 2: If you have to have security for it or something

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Speaker 3: But fifty years later, when it comes time to sell it,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna make one thousand percent increase or more. And

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Speaker 3: so I think that is how I view ownership of

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Speaker 3: Major League Baseball teams. It's not the year to year profit.

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Speaker 3: If you're just trying to run a business and eke

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Speaker 3: out a five million dollar profit every year, don't buy

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Speaker 3: a baseball team. It's a luxury at him. It's like

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Speaker 3: owning a yacht or a painting paper.

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Speaker 1: Or get out of it right, or get in it,

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Speaker 1: get out of it. There's somebody else a chance.

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Speaker 3: There's not a doubt in my mind that deep down,

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Speaker 3: every billionaire who owns a sports team is doing it

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Speaker 3: in part because it feels good to be known for

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Speaker 3: the same thing. They want to be courtside and they

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Speaker 3: want to be viewed in a positive light. But you

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Speaker 3: can't just assume you're going to be viewed in a

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Speaker 3: positive light if You're so worried about year to year

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Speaker 1: Is it your belief that pole Ads the pole Ads

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this, I mean, this takes a little speculation. Although

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Speaker 3: I haven't been able to talk to some people with

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Speaker 3: the twins around the league and stuff, like, my feeling

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Speaker 3: the last couple of years. You go back to twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty three three, they win the division, they break the

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Speaker 3: playoff losing streak. They had one hundred and sixty five

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Speaker 3: million dollar payroll. Now their payroll is one oh five.

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Speaker 3: Six months ago, he does the fire sale. He was

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Speaker 3: pushed towards that direction by Joe Polad. Then Joe Polad gets,

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Speaker 3: you know, thrown out of the mix by his own family.

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Speaker 3: His older brother Tom takes over, and that happened about

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Speaker 3: six weeks ago. And Tom I've been at three, i

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Speaker 3: think his only three media sessions so far, and in

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Speaker 3: all three of them he has said, we have to

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Speaker 3: be competitive next year. That's what it's going to take

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Speaker 3: believe that's my expectation. Well, how does that reality match

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Speaker 3: with the reality of you just did a fire sale,

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Speaker 3: your payroll is actually shrunk by thirty million compared to

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Speaker 1: Well, give me the payroll numbers. You had a tweet

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Speaker 1: to if you go back to even metrodilm days. To

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Speaker 3: The way I cause, I mean raw perrol and people

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Speaker 3: at the right point, year over year decade they rise.

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Speaker 2: I mean that there'sous inflation.

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Speaker 3: So you see one hundred and five million dollars payroll

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Speaker 3: it was forty million. Well yeah, But the way I

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Speaker 3: average or you know, something like that of all thirty

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Speaker 3: and that includes the Twins, includes the Dodgers at the

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Speaker 3: so they're at like, what is that fifty eight percent

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Speaker 3: something like that or sixty percent, let's call it. The

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Speaker 3: last time their payroll relative to the league average was

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Speaker 3: lower than it is right now was two thousand and two,

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Speaker 3: which was Ron Gardenhire's first year taking over for Tom

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Speaker 3: Kelly at the Metrodome twenty five years ago. Basically, and

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Speaker 3: my cell phone in case we make that big trade there, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and so I know it angers people because the whole

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Speaker 3: prime target field was to get away from that. Yep,

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Speaker 3: they very briefly ran average ish payrolls. And that's the

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Speaker 3: other thing that I hear from Twins officials all the time.

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Speaker 3: I've heard from pole eds where it's like, you expect

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Speaker 3: us to sign show, hey Otani, you expect us to compete. No,

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Speaker 3: slightly below average payrolls would make people very happy at

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Speaker 3: they dropped it by thirty million, and now they've dropped

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Speaker 3: They were eighty percent sometimes ninety percent of the league average.

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Speaker 2: And now you're at sixty percent of the.

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Speaker 1: the one thing he's going to be better at is

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Speaker 1: not sending mixed messages. He's going to have a certain

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Speaker 1: work needs to be done in the public square. I

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Speaker 1: already don't believe it. If I ever did, he's already

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Speaker 1: you might have even been in it. On this conference call,

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Speaker 1: he's lecturing, musing about all this discussion about payroll, that

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Speaker 1: there's too much to you know, I'm hoping at some

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Speaker 1: because how can he with a straight face just laying

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Speaker 1: but how can he be surprised that people are going

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Speaker 1: Twins have treated it.

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Speaker 3: Well, and particularly because one of his big talking points,

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Speaker 3: him credit for that. He's answered more questions in six

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Speaker 3: weeks than Joe Poled did in eighteen months. And he's

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Speaker 3: talked a big game about both communicating and messaging better

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Speaker 3: to fans, and he's talked a big game about we

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Speaker 2: Competitive next year.

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Speaker 3: But I just to me that is just cannot match

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Speaker 3: front office for nine years deciding I don't need this anymore.

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Speaker 3: that you're going to be frustrated, not just with the

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Speaker 3: Twins but with baseball as a whole, because you're going

435
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Speaker 3: to be twenty fifth in payroll and the teams surrounding

436
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Speaker 3: you on the list are going to be ones that

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Speaker 3: have generational reputations for not trying.

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Speaker 2: Basically, I was was it two weeks ago?

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Speaker 1: On a Thursday, Guardsy we did the show from the

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Speaker 1: Target Center Cage Wolves played the Bulls. And as we're

441
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Speaker 1: doing the show, who do we see, basically walking arm

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Speaker 1: in arm through the Target Center skyway is the new

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Speaker 1: manager and Derek Falvey, you know, smiling at us, waving

444
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Speaker 1: the whole bit. So do we have any inside knowledge,

445
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Speaker 1: any sort of inside look about how the new manager feels.

446
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,360
Speaker 1: I know, he's going to say all the right things,

447
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 1: and how he feels about already losing presumably the guy

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Speaker 1: who hired him, unless you tell me no, actually he

449
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Speaker 1: didn't hire.

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Speaker 3: Definitely the guy. They had a good relationship. That's when

451
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Speaker 3: he was the bench coach. They're very friendly. Yes, I

452
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Speaker 3: mean this tells you that this was not part of

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Speaker 3: the plan. Obviously, you don't let Fallvey hire the new manager,

454
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Speaker 3: go through the ninety five percent of the offseason and

455
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Speaker 3: then go, oh, we're mutually parting ways. I think the

456
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 3: tricky thing is Faalvey is a good soldier. He has

457
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Speaker 3: always been a good soldier, and even until the very end,

458
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Speaker 3: we did an exit zoom with him, and he said

459
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Speaker 3: and did all the right things to make it as

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Speaker 3: plausible as possible that this was truly a mutual breakup.

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Speaker 2: But as anybody who's broken up with anybody knows.

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Speaker 3: There's somebody who's fifty one percent at least that somebody's

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Speaker 3: forty nine percent at least. Then my speculation is that

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Speaker 3: Folvey was the one who just kind of got pushed

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Speaker 3: and pushed to a breaking point and was just like,

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Speaker 3: you know what, I don't need this, And talking to

467
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Speaker 3: people around the league who were just shocked by it.

468
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Speaker 3: My phone was lighting up from people in front office

469
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Speaker 3: is being like, what is going on. There's a real

470
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Speaker 3: sense that whenever his contract or his noncompete is up

471
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Speaker 3: with the Twins, he can basically pick an assistant GM job,

472
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Speaker 3: and there's a real sense that the next hiring cycle

473
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Speaker 3: he has a real shot of being the number one

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Speaker 3: guy again with another team. And he said as much

475
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Speaker 3: that this is not the end of my baseball. I mean,

476
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Speaker 3: he's in his forties. Like, this is not a guy

477
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Speaker 3: who was burnt out overall. This is a guy who

478
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Speaker 3: became burnt out because of the shrinking resources and expectations

479
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Speaker 3: not changing and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: And not a guy above criticism in terms of some

481
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Speaker 1: of the moves they made either. But that's a completely

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Speaker 1: different issue. We're very late because Luigi is gonna get

483
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Speaker 1: bitter if I don't wrap this up soon. I think

484
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Speaker 1: I might have won jeff In Lindstrom back. Oh thank god,

485
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Speaker 1: I understand, he writes, and don't disagree. Disagree, and the

486
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Speaker 1: Paul Hays have earned fan apathy in space. Thank you

487
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Speaker 1: for addressing my frustration. So I feel good about maybe

488
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Speaker 1: I bring him back. Lastly, this is from uh, do

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Speaker 1: you have any kind of working relationship with Dan Minnesota?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 2: I know of him, you know twit?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sports his story into the Bumper to Bumper show.

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Speaker 1: He's carved out a great niche I love business.

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Speaker 3: He'll find like your column from from like thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Ago that I don't remember writing, and some of those

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Speaker 1: I wish he hadn't found because there's the ones where

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Speaker 1: I go, did I write that?

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Speaker 2: Here's what he writes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Gleaman is the most authentic and genuine Twins writer

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Speaker 1: in town.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's pretty nice.

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Speaker 1: That's nice. That's high praise.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I'm glad I'm saying I didn't admit

504
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Speaker 3: to bribing him to say that before.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty good. It's not bad at all. That's that's

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Speaker 2: in the mail.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, unfortunately, I need to know your real identity

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Speaker 3: to send.

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Speaker 1: I think that's his real name, Dan.

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Speaker 7: Changed.

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Speaker 2: Good to see it, Thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 1: You're on your way to spring training in ten days

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Speaker 1: just ye, and you're going down how long?

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Speaker 2: Like two weeks? Un well, unless they throw you out sooner.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's always I was going to say, if anybody

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Speaker 3: was listening to this, they made not even let me on.

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Speaker 2: The Delta flight.

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Speaker 1: Safe travels.

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Speaker 2: Good to see as always. Thanks for having me on, guys.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff from Aaron Gleaman. Uh, let's break and talk

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Speaker 1: talk hockey with Luigi lou Nanny, who has seen the

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Speaker 1: new Netflix Miracle documentary.

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Speaker 2: We'll get his views on that and many other things.

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Speaker 5: Now, well she sneaks around the world. Ride.

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Speaker 1: Well, he is with us right now, brought to you by,

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Speaker 1: as usual, our good friends at Camps. If you have questions,

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Speaker 1: and some of you already have uh tossed the into

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Speaker 1: the mix, Bratshaw and Bryant canfean text line is open

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Speaker 1: at six four six eighty six. Guards you look at

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Speaker 1: the screen right now. ESPN super Bowl Week is not

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Speaker 1: our new QB. The Vikings new quarterback with a really

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Speaker 1: hip with it and wow set of sunglasses, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: hair being interviewed by Which ESPN guy is that? He's

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Speaker 1: Peter Peter Schrager. Who's a big isn't a big Vikings guy?

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Speaker 4: He's from ko Guy, Koc guy man, he loves Koc

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Speaker 4: who doesn't Luigi?

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Speaker 1: How are you, sir?

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Speaker 7: Very good? Very good? Although I'm a little cold.

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Speaker 1: What are you down to forty? I'm going to say no,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say where you are. It's back up

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Speaker 1: to about sixty two degrees, but that's cold.

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Speaker 7: Six sixty seven wind is howling wind?

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Speaker 1: You got Windshill h in Florida, Winshill, the Howling Windshill. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's It's unbelievable, is what it is. Hey, I had

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Speaker 1: a great conversation as we often do, with Billy Garren

546
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Speaker 1: yes yesterday, and I mentioned to him that that Russo

547
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Speaker 1: had via Twitter said that he was demanding that garn

548
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Speaker 1: May has required viewing to every member of the US

549
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Speaker 1: Olympic Men's hockey team the new Netflix documentary on the

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Speaker 1: Miracle of Lake Placid, And in classic Bill Garan fashion,

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Speaker 1: he said, yes, yes, I know, I'm we're putting it

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Speaker 1: on the line, putting it on the list. Russo calmed

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Speaker 1: down and putting it on the list as only Garon

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Speaker 1: could say. He reminded me, I forgot he was coached

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Speaker 1: by Herbie. And because we're talking about you know, it's

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Speaker 1: always I love talking about Herbie. You know that we've

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Speaker 1: done that so many times over the years. So you've

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Speaker 1: watched the new doc Is there any good nugget Herbie

559
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Speaker 1: related that struck you or what? What did you? As

560
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Speaker 1: a guy who knows all of the story he lived it,

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Speaker 1: what's what stood out to you about this new documentary?

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Speaker 7: Well, first of all, it's the best thing I've seen

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Speaker 7: about in the Olympic team. This was so well done.

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Speaker 7: And the reason why it was so well done because

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Speaker 7: you got the players feelings, the way the players were

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Speaker 7: able to talk about their feelings at the time, what

567
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Speaker 7: they recalled and what they were going through, and you

568
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Speaker 7: know what an experience it was. It was just it

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Speaker 7: brought you right back to the moment. And things like

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Speaker 7: that I didn't know, you know, about Jim Craig and

571
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Speaker 7: his mother dying during that time and had passed away,

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Speaker 7: and his father, loss of jobs, things that personal, things

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Speaker 7: that didn't come up in the other films that I

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Speaker 7: thought were really important. And I think the fact that

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Speaker 7: herb you know, they didn't dwell on the beating he

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Speaker 7: took ten three when after the game, I know because

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Speaker 7: I was done with him talking to him about it,

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Speaker 7: and he was very upset. And I almost got the

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Speaker 7: impression that he was really upset the way Jim played

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Speaker 7: goal and I thought would he ever come back with

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Speaker 7: Jana sick. I didn't ask him that, but I was

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Speaker 7: thinking about something in my mind because it was such

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Speaker 7: a thrashing and and when you look at the film,

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Speaker 7: there was no doubt in his mind who he wanted

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Speaker 7: and and and it was as we all know, a

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Speaker 7: great move, because Jimmy was terrific during the whole playoff.

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Speaker 7: But I was just, you know, really happy to see

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Speaker 7: the emotions that the guys recalled going through this and

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Speaker 7: Kenny Morrow, and I know pretty Kenny pretty well. And

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Speaker 7: I didn't know that, you know, his father passed away

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Speaker 7: before that, and you know, all the relationships you're talking about,

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Speaker 7: and the most important I didn't know about Eruzione's uncle.

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Speaker 7: You know, when he had to boris seventy bucks to

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Speaker 7: go to a hockey school and and he went to

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Speaker 7: pay his uncle back and his uncle says, no, you know,

596
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Speaker 7: you work for what you get. And it was a great,

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Speaker 7: you know, feeling that he carried with him and as

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Speaker 7: we said in the documentary, what he was thinking about

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Speaker 7: when the game was over with his uncle. So it

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Speaker 7: was it was just a different type of film that

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Speaker 7: Shrew drew in so many other things that were never

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Speaker 7: talked about. That's great that I thought was really important.

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Speaker 1: I am looking forward to it. Then, it's it's definitely

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Speaker 1: on on my list. A Tom from Savage asks, can

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Speaker 1: you ask Sweet Lou if it's true Herbie didn't swear?

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Speaker 1: And like they said in the Netflix documentary, I was

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Speaker 1: assumed it was every other word, no disrespect.

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Speaker 7: Well, he probably didn't swear in the locker room, Herbie swore.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know we wrote down to just enough

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Speaker 7: when we were playing down there together and swear a lot.

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Speaker 7: Hear me swear a lot? Right, Yeah, that wasn't then

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Speaker 7: they knew. But it's probably just the discipline he had

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Speaker 7: and didn't never want to, you know, let it. Maybe

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Speaker 7: he thought in his mind and if he sworeved was

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Speaker 7: sure he was maybe losing it or losing discipline or something.

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Speaker 7: But at the end in the finish game, he couldn't

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Speaker 7: help it. But he uh no, he was capable of

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Speaker 7: a word or two.

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Speaker 1: Well. One of the things that Garran said yesterday was

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Speaker 1: I think this was when he the first year. He says,

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Speaker 1: first year when he coached him, was that he'd use

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Speaker 1: big words that a lot of the players weren't familiar with.

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Speaker 1: And I think he talked about a speech that he

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Speaker 1: gave the players and the whole theme was about synergy

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Speaker 1: and he kept using accordability the word synergy and the

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Speaker 1: way Garan described we're all looking at each other. You know,

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Speaker 1: this is a long time ago that he walks out

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Speaker 1: of the locker room. He's like, saybo, you know what, Senate,

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Speaker 1: what does that mean?

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Speaker 6: What's sin?

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Speaker 1: Do you have no idea what the hell he's talking about?

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Speaker 7: Which is I thought, well, you know one thing he

633
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Speaker 7: did and the owls. He did this forever Herbie was

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Speaker 7: And it was really great to see Danny and Kelly

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Speaker 7: children that they were find the box of U notes

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Speaker 7: that he kept, the speaking even between periods and all

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Speaker 7: the way along. I think that's a treasure trope, no

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Speaker 7: question and and and he but he was like that.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he just he loved to send notes rather

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Speaker 7: than talk. I mean, we didn't have cell phones were

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Speaker 7: so easy to do now, but you would think of

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Speaker 7: the times you'd pick up the phone and call more

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Speaker 7: and he and he said you a letter, and and uh,

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Speaker 7: I love that, you know, you know when when when

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Speaker 7: when we had the North Starts, remember I heard him

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Speaker 7: as coach and then I resigned that year and uh,

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Speaker 7: Gordon Gunn said, well, Louis, I want you to give

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Speaker 7: everybody the letters that they're all let go, the whole

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Speaker 7: staff and including Herby, and you know we should have

650
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 7: the new general manager pick him. And I said, that's right.

651
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 7: I don't think I should be picking as people, and

652
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 7: you know, under president overlooking the operation, not picking the staff.

653
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 7: And Herbie got let go and along with everybody else,

654
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 7: and Furar could have hired him back or not hired

655
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 7: him back, he decided to go with Pierre Paget. And

656
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 7: you know, there was a lot of uproar about that,

657
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 7: which is understandable. And and I bugged Charlie Walters as

658
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 7: a close friend. But Charlie was like Gary Smith, and

659
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 7: he led the way as if I had fired Herbie,

660
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 7: which I wouldn't do it. But and so Herbie was

661
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 7: really upset with me. He didn't call me or say

662
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 7: any and he didn't say anything. So I didn't talk

663
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 7: to Herbie for almost year. Wow. Then when he knew

664
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 7: the real story and everything, he sent me a letter.

665
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 7: He didn't pick up the phone call me again. He

666
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 7: sent me a letter to apologize and you know, tell

667
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 7: me now, I'm sorry, I'm misunderstood, blah blah blah, you know,

668
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 7: and I blame you for it. But that's that's just

669
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 7: the way he was everything. It was almost like he

670
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 7: rather rather write you his thoughts than tell you his thoughts.

671
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 7: But you know what I love about it's so funny

672
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 7: because in between periods he'd rather send his thoughts.

673
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: You know what I love about that?

674
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: Though, again, if you think of that in today's content,

675
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody writes letters to anybody anymore. I mean,

676
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: and the idea that I mean that can be a

677
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: really effective form of communication that's pretty much lost. And

678
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: you can't even argue back then there weren't that many

679
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: people doing it. And it's just fascinating to hear that

680
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 1: that was a lot of time his preferred way of communicating. Right,

681
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: it's the law form letter. It's it's underrated, man, yeah

682
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: it is.

683
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 7: And what I found out even in that film, like

684
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 7: Jim Craig wrote a letter to his mother every day,

685
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 7: and that's serious. But before you know, when he was

686
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 7: at school or something. It reminded when I was in college,

687
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 7: I wrote my mother every week, my mother and father,

688
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 7: but they my mother wrote me every day. And and

689
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 7: so when I'm thinking about these letters and we write

690
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 7: these letters and things, boy boy, nobody writes letters anymore.

691
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 7: And of course now we've got email, nobody will write

692
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 7: a letter. But that was that was so important, and

693
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 7: that's why it was so good that Danny and Kelly

694
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,479
Speaker 7: kept all those notes, questions and that all those things

695
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 7: that were said, because that's one way to keep my man.

696
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 7: I'm sure you could do it emails now, but it's

697
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 7: a nice way to get people's thoughts and motions that

698
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 7: you know, just carry over throughever.

699
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: That's a treasure trail of stuff, as you said, And again, yeah,

700
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: there's emails that can go on for but when it's

701
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: handwritten right, that in of itself, its just it's it

702
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: feels so much more personal and authentic. I you know,

703
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: the term we talked to you and I many times

704
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: over the years about about Herbie. I could talk about

705
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: him forever because we use that term original, you know,

706
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: an American original. But he's it, man, that's just it's

707
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: I don't know how he got made, how he got

708
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: wired the way he did, but there's just nobody there

709
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: will never be anybody quite like him.

710
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 7: No, it's right. And the funny part was the way

711
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 7: his personality changed from when he was a player and

712
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 7: you know and sure insurance salesman to when he became coach.

713
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 7: It just it just all of a sudden, there was

714
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 7: like a wall went up and he was extremely serious

715
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 7: about everything. His letting himself go like he did before,

716
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 7: just didn't exist anymore. I mean he became he became

717
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 7: a very serious, determined, focused guy, and and he never

718
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 7: never lost that.

719
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Wasn't the story?

720
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: Didn't didn't he have? I think we've talked about this before.

721
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: He had frozen pipes at home or something and decided

722
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: to try to like warm him up with a blow

723
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: torch or something and then set the house on fire

724
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: or something.

725
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 7: Didn't he He He called me one night and and

726
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 7: I was coming in from out of town, and I

727
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 7: got a problem. Is what happened? He had a he

728
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 7: and Patty lived on Turtle Lake there in Saint Paul,

729
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 7: and he had a house there and it was really cold, yep,

730
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 7: and he took a blow torch and set the house

731
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 7: on fire.

732
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: You can't make it up, You're kid. That's that's so.

733
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 7: There's only so many things you can do.

734
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: So let me ask you.

735
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: I asked Bill gar in this question.

736
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: You know, he's very excited about obviously being the guy,

737
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: the architect of the US team, and he said, I'm

738
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: going to enjoy.

739
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: All of it.

740
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: And I know there's a million people already second guessing

741
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: a lot of the personnel moves we made.

742
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 2: I don't care. I did what I did.

743
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to stand by that whether we win the

744
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: gold or it does not work out. And I said,

745
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: can you enjoy it as it's taking place though, because

746
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: it is such a burden, there's so much responsibility. He

747
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: claims he's going to be able to enjoy all of it.

748
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: Is that even possible?

749
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 7: You think, yeah, he will enjoy all of it, and

750
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 7: I mean, there could be some times where he's gonna

751
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 7: be very upset about it, but it's such an experience

752
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 7: and he has to remember when the one team the

753
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 7: time he played for Herbie and it was in Salt

754
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 7: Lake City. I was there, I remember, and that's when

755
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 7: the Canadians implanted a golden a silver dollar or whatever

756
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 7: on the ice good luck. Gretzku was on that team.

757
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 7: And and you know the U, the United States team

758
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 7: really played well. Really they could have won it. And

759
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 7: Canada finally came to the top of their game in

760
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 7: the game that where they beat the US, but the

761
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 7: US played hard. He hadn't played really well. They I

762
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 7: don't think he had as much talent as a Canadian team,

763
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 7: but they were close, and they were close enough that

764
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 7: they almost won that game, and I'm sure Billy's thinking about,

765
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 7: even though they didn't win the goal that time, what

766
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 7: an experience it was and how much he you know,

767
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 7: he loved it, and that this is going to be

768
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 7: the same way. And as far as being second guests,

769
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 7: that happens every day in this job, with the wild

770
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 7: everybody else to seize the team, it's second guessing who

771
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 7: he picked, who he drafts, who he trades, you know,

772
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 7: who's in the line of et cetera. So that's something

773
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 7: you're used to as a general manager. But the excitement

774
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 7: and the atmosphere of playing in the Olympics is completely unique,

775
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 7: and it's something that if you are a part of it,

776
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 7: unless something illegal happens or something, there's no way you

777
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 7: can have a feeling that you wish you were never there. Yeah,

778
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 7: it's no way possible. It's something whether you're first or last,

779
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 7: you're going to really be happy that you're there.

780
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: There is.

781
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 7: It's a feeling that you can't get from anything else.

782
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 7: You're represented right United States in the Olympics like that.

783
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 7: You can't get that feeling any other place, I.

784
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: Would submit to you. You're speaking of it from experience

785
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: and participating and so forth. But I would submit to

786
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: you the same applies to covering it. There's and I think,

787
00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: and I've said this before, the Winter Olympics to me,

788
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: because of the esoteric nature of many of the sports.

789
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: Obviously hockey is not esoteric, but you know what, I'm

790
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: talking about a lot of sports that we don't really

791
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: spend much time on the rest of the year. The scenery,

792
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: the backdrop, the winter backdrop, that whole sense of that

793
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: feel that you get in the towns that they're built in.

794
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: And by the way, sometimes they're small towns, sometimes they're bigger.

795
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: I don't think anything touches it. The whole Olympic vibe,

796
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: the whole Winter Olympic vibe, I think is incredibly distinctive.

797
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 7: It is really distinctive, and it's unfortunate this time. It

798
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 7: happens sometimes where the hawkying speech skating events are farther away,

799
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 7: like from Courtina.

800
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: That's true.

801
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 7: You had a little ways in Calvary when we were

802
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 7: in Calgary downtown and need to have to go up

803
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 7: to the mountain to you know, to watch them their

804
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 7: same thing. In Vancouver, it was a little bit, but

805
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 7: not as far as Courtina Cortina is a little farther

806
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 7: away from London than where we hit the skiing in

807
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 7: Calgary in Vancouver, and when I was in Grenoble was

808
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 7: the best because everything was right there. When I played

809
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 7: in Grenoble, our rink was right downtown, our we were

810
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 7: housed was right downtown. Yep, and heels were like ten

811
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 7: fifteen minutes away.

812
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: It's perfect.

813
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's a little bit. I think what Sarajevo

814
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: was like. I mean I can remember some of the

815
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: metal ceremony stuff right in the main square there. The

816
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: whole feel of it is is really really uh you

817
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: don't it's memorable.

818
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: You just don't forget it.

819
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, and Sarajevo not only that, I mean Sarahevo would

820
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 7: it stowed every day and that's that's right, I mean

821
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 7: that's every day. It's stole. Just amazing. It never seemed

822
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 7: to stop. Like Saalt Lake City was good too. Saw

823
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 7: Like City. You had Park Valey and Deer Valley where

824
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 7: the skiing was the only about thirty five minutes from

825
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 7: the rink downtown and saw Lake. The games were played there.

826
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: We've got, as you know, the Wild have one game

827
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: left before the break, so I have to believe that

828
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: the feel is good right going into this lengthy break

829
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: here regarding the team's positioning, the way they're playing, and

830
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: even Garrin, you know, he confirmed this that for him,

831
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: it's a lot more motivating to think big about making

832
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 1: another move if the existing group has done as well

833
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: as this group has done. That it's much easier the alternative,

834
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: which is, well, can you add a player that might

835
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: energize things? They're already in such a good position. He says, absolutely,

836
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: it makes it more likely that, you know, he's going

837
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: to try to do everything he can to perhaps add

838
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: one more piece if, as he says, to use his cliche,

839
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: the price is right.

840
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 7: Oh, there's no doubty good do that, or at least

841
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 7: attempt to do that. But like you said, the price

842
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 7: has got to be right. And that's where I'm a

843
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 7: little bit. I hope they have enough to pay, because

844
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 7: not that he was going to get Paneria, but I

845
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 7: wouldn't expect Panera to even be around to left the Olympics,

846
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 7: although they have a trading mortuarium coming in right now,

847
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 7: so Paneric could be traded in the next two days

848
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 7: or he wouldn't be treated till laughter. But they want

849
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 7: to sentiment more, I would think, and and and they

850
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 7: they're willing to pay the price. If the price be

851
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 7: a costed something they'd be far off in the future

852
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 7: would be the biggest part of the price, Like draft

853
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 7: choice is three years down the line or something. That's

854
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 7: That's where they got a little bit of a problem.

855
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 7: But I hoped, I hope that they can find something

856
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 7: or if somebody wants to come here and and and

857
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 7: you know, in a position where he could be freezing

858
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 7: in the year, won't go anywhere else, so the seller

859
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 7: would have to take less and that might help. But

860
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 7: I really think he'll try and do something. And the

861
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 7: only thing they got to go through right now, and

862
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 7: he got so many players playing in there. The one

863
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 7: thing you got to do is hope they all play well.

864
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 7: But they all come back healthy. That's the key and

865
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 7: key and this whole thing right now, because somebody's going

866
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 7: to get hurt from some teams. There's going to be

867
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 7: injuries there.

868
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 1: Tim from d Payment Rights, My high school hockey coach

869
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: was Jack is pronounced Blatherwick, who was a friend of

870
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: Hervey's and I believe he writes was the guy who

871
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: developed the strength and conditioning program for the eighty Olympic team.

872
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: Would love to hear Louis's thoughts on Cardiac Jack. That's

873
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: Tim from d Payment.

874
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 7: He is one of the unsung heroes of that eighty

875
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 7: Olympic team. And I want to tell you Herb took him,

876
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 7: started with him at the university when Hervey's coaching in

877
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 7: the university there. Cardiac Jack too. He was hired by

878
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 7: Herby to condition the players and he was he was

879
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 7: ahead of his time. He really, he was terrific what

880
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 7: he did, and he was so good at it that

881
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 7: Herb us with the Olympic team too, and that's why

882
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 7: the remember we've talked about this so many times, they

883
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 7: said the key to the Olympic team was that they

884
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 7: were in the best condition. They were the best conditioned

885
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 7: team I've seen besides the Soviets. That was the key

886
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 7: to them, and that's what was Herbie's. Herbie focus was

887
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 7: to get this team to be as well conditioned as

888
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 7: the Russians so they couldn't have more stamina of them

889
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 7: at the end. And Cardiac Jack, you know, was the

890
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 7: guy with the program and Herb used him beautifully and

891
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 7: that team was unbelievable condition, and that's why one of

892
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 7: the big reasons why they won.

893
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: Not gonna There's not gonna be any fomo for you

894
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: if you're not since you said you're not making this

895
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: this trip.

896
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 7: No, I'm gonna watch it on TV and enjoy it.

897
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 7: I you know, I'll get a little nostalgic whish I

898
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 7: was here as they get in the metal rounds, and

899
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 7: I know how exciting it's gonna be. Somebody's gonna get upset.

900
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 7: One of the big teams is going to get upset.

901
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 7: It always happens. One of these teams come through, like

902
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 7: Latvia when they beat Canada before, and yeah, you never

903
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 7: know who's going to be. But I just want to

904
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 7: see the US sail through. I want to see a

905
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 7: USA Canada final with the US winning, and that would

906
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 7: be just a phenomenal because that game would be outstanding.

907
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 7: Canada's going to be really tough to beat, but I

908
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 7: think if anybody can do it, it could be it be

909
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 7: the USA. They've got a real good team and it's

910
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 7: probably gonna come down to goaltending again like it did

911
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 7: the four nations on the tournament.

912
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,479
Speaker 2: We will chat next week, great analysis as usual, my friend.

913
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 2: We'll talk then.

914
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 7: Look forward to it. Take care.

915
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: Thank you, lou Nanni.

916
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: Brought to you by our good friends, his good friends

917
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: at Camps. We've got a half hour yet to go

918
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: in today's broadcast, and an interesting bit of informed speculation

919
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: regarding the Minnesota Timberwolves and weather to a certain extent,

920
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: as we approach the Thursday trade deadline, the Wolves are

921
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: on the clock. According to an important member of this team.

922
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: We'll explain exactly what we're talking about next here in

923
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: the Fanily.

924
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: Glynnwood Township Guy checks in with this.

925
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: I can't listen till later, but if it wasn't spoken

926
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: of early by you and your show, let's have it

927
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: on record that Mike Conley appears to be one of

928
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: the league's most valuable veterans and professionals ever.

929
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: What a class act. I hope I'm.

930
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: Speaking for many and we wish him well a pros

931
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: pro Thank you from Lynnwood Township Guy, formerly South Chicago

932
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: guy here here, formerly South Chicago guy on this program.

933
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: We couldn't agree more, and in fact, we did salute

934
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: Mike Conley earlier in the program. If you're just joining him,

935
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: not been paying attention, Mike Conley has been traded part

936
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: of a three way deal to the Chicago Bulls, and

937
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: for now, basically in the deal, all the Wolves really

938
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: got was the possibility of swapping number ones. In effect,

939
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: no players are involved. The assumption is, well, here's what

940
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: we know. We know that if the Wolves do nothing else,

941
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: they will have saved their luxury tax bill would go

942
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: from twenty four million to three point eight million, a

943
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: considerable savings. They would also then be under the first apron.

944
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: The hope, the assumption is part of the reason they

945
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: made this move was to give them greater options in

946
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: terms of aggregating salaries to make one of these complicated

947
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: deals that, by the way, they were trying to make

948
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: a year ago at this time to acquire Kevin Durant

949
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: and frankly ran out of time. And now did they

950
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: do this early enough to give themselves the greater, the

951
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: greatest flexibility to get in the honest sweep stakes or

952
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: to get in some other sweep steaks. But the question

953
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: on the table, as offered up earlier today by the

954
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: ESPN crew, is who the Wolves could have acquired as

955
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:03,959
Speaker 1: part of this deal. And according to what you're here from,

956
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: this is a windhorst from ESPN Let's hear what he

957
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: has to say about sort of the meaning of what

958
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: the Wolves did today and what he views as the

959
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: rather less than greater than dispassionate interest of a Minnesota

960
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: Timberwolves named Anne Anthony Edwards.

961
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 2: Let's listen to Windhorst.

962
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 8: Say two things. One, I want to see what Minnesota

963
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 8: does guard wise. You'll, assuming they don't get Giannis, they

964
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 8: could have gotten Kobe White in this trade, and they

965
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 8: need help with the guard positions. I want to watch

966
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 8: a Minnesota does between now and Thursday, and I'm sure

967
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 8: Ann Edwards does too. Secondly, Mike Conley going to Chicago.

968
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 8: This is a potential buyout situation. I'm not sure what Conley.

969
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 8: I don't think he Condy can play a big role

970
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 8: in the team. But this is a guy every team

971
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 8: in the league would want. He could get bought out

972
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 8: in the contender if they fit the criteria, which is

973
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 8: another story for another day. Mike Conley could join a

974
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 8: contenuer in the next couple.

975
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: I have just like one thought, how urgent are the

976
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: Minnesota two Wolves right now because they have Anthony Edwards

977
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: twenty four?

978
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 8: Well, they're trying to get you, honest. I mean, that's

979
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 8: pretty r that we.

980
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: Know that, but like, if that doesn't if they like

981
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: there are options, Well, now.

982
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 8: If you're a I don't want to overreact on Tuesday

983
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 8: when the deadline is Thursday. But if you come out

984
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 8: of this week and Minnesota's just move it's just to

985
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 8: save money, yeah, they're gonna have to answer to ant

986
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 8: on that.

987
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: But but it's just Tuesday.

988
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 2: So let's just let's just wait.

989
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: Shot across the bow from your guy wind Horse windy

990
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: as you call him, absolutely and he's not wrong. I mean,

991
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: you could make the argument that this is a team

992
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: that certainly has not been shy about spending. But you

993
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: could also say that if at the end of the day,

994
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: all they did before the deadline is save money, I

995
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 1: don't think that's going to be very well received. I'm

996
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: not talking about they're on the Twins level. We're great

997
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: on a completely different curve. But I do think that'll

998
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: be painful, especially if wind Horse is right that the

999
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: game amble in making the trade they did now was

1000
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: that they could have acquired a guard.

1001
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: I think a helpful guard. I think Kobe White would.

1002
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: Have helped this team, absolutely, help this team try to

1003
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: maximize on what they have and by the way.

1004
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: At a much lower cost.

1005
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: Obviously, then it's going to take to get Giannis here.

1006
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: So it is going to be a couple of interesting days.

1007
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: The trade deadline is less than forty eight hours from now.

1008
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: It's two pm Central on Thursday, and we'll be tracking

1009
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 1: it very very closely.

1010
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: But that's that's the sticky wicket.

1011
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,720
Speaker 1: I think if you are the president of basketball operations

1012
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: for this team, you're playing a dangerous game where it

1013
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: sounds like you're trying to keep your options open to

1014
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: get a bigger fish than Kobe White. But what if

1015
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: you don't get any fish or you end up with

1016
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: a much you end up with a little minno, because

1017
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: you can't even get at this point the way you've

1018
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: done these deals, somebody has accomplished as Kobe White is.

1019
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: So I think Conley deserves the trust that you know,

1020
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: stick with me.

1021
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 2: But the X factor is is there another move?

1022
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: If Giannis is just ungettable, is there another pretty good

1023
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: sized move that represents what Kobe White does? That's the

1024
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: part I don't know that we completely understand. We all

1025
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: assume there should be greater flexibility from from a payrol standpoint,

1026
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: but you can make the argument with Anthony Edwards probably

1027
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: coming into his home own like he's never done before

1028
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: having his best half season, even if occasionally I too

1029
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: get frustrated by what we saw again last night, which

1030
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: was a lack of defense, attention to the defensive end

1031
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: that has the head coach at his wits end again

1032
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: doing the old ask them it's up to them, which

1033
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: all so we've said is dangerous territory. You feel like

1034
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do now is just

1035
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: making about saving money because you've been to the conference

1036
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: finals twice and it feels urgent now right that you

1037
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: got to give your best chance to.

1038
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: Make another run, and maybe even in the.

1039
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: Western Conference that perhaps is more wide open than we

1040
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: thought to take that next step, and that means being aggressive.

1041
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: That means adding to the mix, not just we'll wait

1042
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: it out until this offseason.

1043
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 2: So the next forty eight hours or so or a

1044
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: little less.

1045
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to be fascinated to see, does Kobe White

1046
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: do much for you? Kobe White does more for me

1047
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: than I think he does for you. Yeah?

1048
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: Maybe, Well, I just don't like the style of flopping that. Yeah,

1049
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: that I have to get over that.

1050
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 4: I also, by the way, I have to get over

1051
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 4: that if they somehow bring James Harden in, which is

1052
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 4: another us also true. Yeah, because I'm thinking about it,

1053
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 4: Kobe White is still probably available outside of this deal. Well,

1054
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 4: that's that's the question, is he Yeah, like if they

1055
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 4: swing right. Also, because his contract's expiring, so he's not

1056
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 4: going to have to be some crazy package. I like

1057
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 4: that package to go get Kobe White because his contract's

1058
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 4: done after this season, so he would probably be a rental.

1059
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 4: So I've seen even today that the market for him

1060
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 4: is allegedly teams are offering a couple of second round

1061
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 4: picks essentially, and the Bulls are trying to hold out

1062
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 4: for more. Theoretically, to answer to the sound we just played,

1063
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 4: what's the backup plan? If you don't pull off the

1064
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 4: honest move, that could still be a backup plan, which

1065
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 4: would also still be helpful, and you would keep the

1066
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 4: core of the team in question.

1067
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: That's what we're saying, So we'll see it is that's

1068
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 2: what I guess.

1069
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: Does he know something about the Kobe White part that

1070
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: now it would be harder to get him than before.

1071
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1072
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 1: In theory, you'd think they still could, but I don't

1073
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: know the issue I think is if it's you have

1074
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: to go to a fallback move, how far back are

1075
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: you falling back? Are you going two levels down from you, honest?

1076
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: Or one level down from you?

1077
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: Honest?

1078
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: I think that's the quest. Who's in fact the guard?

1079
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: Who's the guard? He just came back from injury and

1080
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: killed us last night? As it tied your own Okay,

1081
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: I think from Memphis he's another guy.

1082
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 2: You could argue.

1083
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: It would be kind of intriguing here if he's healthy

1084
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: now for he's gonna stay healthy. Some of the people

1085
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: who can help don't have to be massive names, I

1086
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: don't think. But I firmly believe you have to get something,

1087
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: and I think you have to trust enough that he

1088
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: knows it, that Conley knows that now, especially that they

1089
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: have traded Mike Conley, that what are you your bench options?

1090
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: At this point, I refuse to believe they're just gonna

1091
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: throw Dillingham into the deep end. Maybe they are on

1092
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: a desperation I doubt it, but I doubt it at

1093
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: this point. So that tells me he knows he's got

1094
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: to have a plan B or a plan.

1095
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 2: See.

1096
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 1: The hard part is if you're putting all your ducks

1097
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: in a row to make the big move. Does it

1098
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: affect your ability to go back to a different plan.

1099
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea.

1100
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: Alan from Afton writes, So now the curse of being

1101
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: in the bumper to bumper team has jumped from the

1102
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: Vikings to the Wolves. Someone should warn Bill garn in

1103
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Wild. It hasn't affected well. Zimmer got fired,

1104
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: but that was long after he had made our show

1105
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: for years. No, and Garon is not a regular Garan

1106
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: is the semi right, that's true. But the people were

1107
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: talking about are the ones that are committed to a

1108
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: weekly or semi weekly bit with us that somehow end

1109
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: up elsewhere. Yeah, well, I cambine them, Peterson. I'll maintain

1110
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: what I said before. I will be far more surprised

1111
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: if the Wolves don't do something big, too, very big.

1112
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: I consider Gianni's very big big to very big.

1113
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: Before Thursday at two o'clock.

1114
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: Then I will that they're gonna just stay the course

1115
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: and try to figure this thing out with.

1116
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 2: What they have.

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00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: I will be fairly shocked if they do that, because

1118
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: I think you could even argue, you could say, okay,

1119
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: it's a salary dump on Conley and try to save money.

1120
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: But that I mean, the general, the president of Brass Operations,

1121
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: knows how much Finchy still values Conley.

1122
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: I'm sure to do it.

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00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: I think that's Conley's way of saying, God, bless you

1124
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: for what you've meant to us. We'll never forget it.

1125
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: You are as professional as everybody says. But I gotta

1126
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: deal with the here and now, and that means we're

1127
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: going to have to probably go another direction, and in effect,

1128
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: he's taking the Conley option away. Tim Conley is taking

1129
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,959
Speaker 1: the Mike Conley option away from the head coach, which

1130
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: tells me he knows he's got to do something else,

1131
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: even if it's not as big as y Honest, I

1132
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: know we have to pause.

1133
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what's your read on the James hardened steam

1134
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 4: or speculation that carently they're kicking the tires on that

1135
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 4: as well.

1136
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: We talked about this about a month three weeks ago,

1137
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: and I surprised myself.

1138
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: With my willingness.

1139
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: Even though he's isn't he like six years older than Yannis?

1140
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 2: He's thirty seven.

1141
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: I think.

1142
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna tell you.

1143
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 1: He's When I watch him now, I like him as

1144
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: a player now more than I ever did when the

1145
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: world revolved around him. He's averaging twenty five and eight.

1146
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: And you know what else he's doing. He's playing every night,

1147
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: every night he has I don't have his numbers in

1148
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: front of me, but I don't think he's miss missed

1149
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 1: much time at all. It's outlandish. Yeah, it's short term. Yeah,

1150
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: and he wants two more years at eighty million.

1151
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: He can't do that.

1152
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 1: I don't So I don't know what you do there,

1153
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: but I am not as opposed to it as people

1154
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: would have assumed. I would have been on the basis

1155
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: of me hammering Harden, especially for some of his uh

1156
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 1: shall we say post season collaption.

1157
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 4: That's what worries me is who's your second option in

1158
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 4: the postseason?

1159
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: Randall is? I guess? Could he be the third option?

1160
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: Would he accept that.

1161
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: He's he has to a certain.

1162
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 2: Is he coming off the bench because Dante's starting? I

1163
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 2: think Dante doesn't start at that? Okay, just saying, well, but.

1164
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: The worst thing then you got, you got a better debt,

1165
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: You got scoring off.

1166
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 2: The bench that you need.

1167
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 4: But I kind of like the more reliables, hardened scoring

1168
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 4: off the bench.

1169
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could make that argument.

1170
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 4: So there's a lot I'm not as opposed to it either,

1171
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 4: which is, here's.

1172
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: The thing again. To me, here's the thing again. You know,

1173
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: not all these moves necessarily to work out. But they're big.

1174
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: They're ambitious. It's fun, it's ambitious. It's an ambitious franchise.

1175
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: The Wild represents an ambitious franchise. The Vikings, for all

1176
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: their mistakes, they're ambitious. They want to think big.

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01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: Got my cell phone in case we make that big trick,

1178
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: and then we got that, and then we got It's

1179
01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 2: not good Baseball.

1180
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 4: Show represented by American Pressure commercial grade pressure washer since

1181
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy five.

1182
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: It's the bumper to bumper show wrap.

1183
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: How about to love Dan?

1184
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: Minnesota gave our four point thirty in studio guest Aaron Gleeman,

1185
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: the most authentic and genuine Twins writer in town.

1186
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 4: Yes, I will say though he loves the messenger, but

1187
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 4: Minnesota loves the message. He is about as anti poll

1188
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 4: ad as they get. Now that's a good point.

1189
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 1: That's what that might have had more to do with

1190
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: it case, but it's true. Conley has testicular fortitude. Quinn

1191
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: hughes as a dude, don't be rude.

1192
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 2: Wolves in five.

1193
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 4: Kind of lived to the finish with the Rue that

1194
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 4: was kind of a bailout, but the first two were good.

1195
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: Finchy was on with PA this morning talking about how

1196
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: Mike Conley means and how he planned to continue playing

1197
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: in Yeah, so, I wonder how.

1198
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: Much of a shock it was to him.

1199
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 4: Maybe that was the final straw might listening. iHeart Yeah,

1200
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 4: so I got to get this guy out of here.

1201
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: Outstanding contributions from Gleaming, Outstanding contributions from Kevin Seaffert. Louis

1202
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: was great at five point thirty and some good a

1203
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: section fodder with a very fired up and I think

1204
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: we've motivated him. Paul Blooms so good with Fox nine.

1205
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: How good is that?

1206
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 7: Well?

1207
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 4: Seffert said, you're going to tell him about Ragoose and

1208
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 4: I said, I'm not going to get him going, and then.

1209
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 2: You went right in on it.

1210
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah stuff. Notice he's gotten some aritime.

1211
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: That's so good. I love it.

1212
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: We're back tomorrow Kessler among our guests. We're working on

1213
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: a couple of other special ones as well.

1214
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 2: Mace. Do we bring him back. We'll see.

1215
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: Have a good evening and we'll talk to you tomorrow

1216
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: beginning of three.

1217
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 2: Thank you for the memories. Thank you for the great time.

1218
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: We love you Dad.