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Speaker 4: writing and covering the Bengals for the Athletic, where he

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Speaker 4: has his ten step plan to get the Bengals back

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Speaker 4: to the super Bowl, which you may have heard is

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Speaker 4: the Athletic dot com. We're going to reference that often today.

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Speaker 4: Also host of the Growler podcast. The latest episode is else.

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Speaker 4: Paul and I talked about the super Bowl parts of

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Speaker 4: Paul's ten step plan to get the Angles back to

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Speaker 4: the super Bowl. So go and listen to that or

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Speaker 4: watch that on YouTube. Paul is here and as we

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Speaker 4: did last week. We are streaming this hour on Twitter

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Speaker 4: just in the event that that there are any sort

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Speaker 6: That's what I'm wondering, is that we're going to get

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Speaker 6: I'm still kind of.

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Speaker 6: I'm walking in here having a little bit of a like, oh,

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Speaker 4: Okay, you ready for anything? You never know. It's not

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Speaker 4: normally like that. Normally I feel like I've got a

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Speaker 2: It's good to create some discomfort.

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Speaker 4: And what we've done is we have planted the seed

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Speaker 4: I'm uncomfortable around you now there's a spawn that get

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Speaker 4: in line. Spontaneity is what we like. I we do

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Speaker 4: have to talk about the tenth step. By the way

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Speaker 4: I printed it, us are printed last year's.

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Speaker 4: just ask you one basic question about that game. Does

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Speaker 6: And then you're Iron the coach and you're starting over,

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Speaker 4: All right, So on the Athletic dot Com, you have

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Speaker 4: the ten step path for the Bengals to get back

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Speaker 4: to Los Angeles. And there's a lot here and we're

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Speaker 4: not going to discuss all of it because I don't

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Speaker 2: And so you know, I'm going there first. How can

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Speaker 4: there is a part of me that views this as

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Speaker 4: This dude is going to be one of the most

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Speaker 4: go ahead and tag him. But the potential complications, many

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you you joked last week because I believe when

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Speaker 6: So I mean you're going through his agent that's gone, well,

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Speaker 6: Probably two levels. I mean, I think you know you're

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Speaker 6: gonna if you.

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Speaker 4: Have and you could also throw a linebacker. I'm just

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Speaker 4: using that position as a Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean I think receiver is certainly one that would

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Speaker 6: be a multi Like if you had a receiver and

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Speaker 6: either defensive tackle who's you know, one C, and then

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Speaker 6: a receiver who's one A. I don't you know, right,

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Speaker 6: I don't know, it's a hard one. That's that's where

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Speaker 6: you're like, I could see it. I could see it

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Speaker 6: either way, because I mean, you know, there's nothing wrong.

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Speaker 2: He's on the field. He's a player for Joe Burrow. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and sure, if every.

449
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Speaker 6: Team's gonna come out and play double double against you

450
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Speaker 6: go win fifty five to fifty four.

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Speaker 4: I guess, I just I think it would be hilarious

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Speaker 4: to watch people wrap their brains around.

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Speaker 2: So let me get this straight.

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Speaker 4: You have Jamar Chase and T Higgins, and you had

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Speaker 4: a historically bad defense for much of the season, and

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Speaker 4: you use the tenth overall pick on.

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Speaker 2: A wide autum.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it again, it would it would have

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Speaker 6: to be a pretty sizeable gap.

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Speaker 2: I will I can't imagine it. Especially.

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Speaker 6: I just I don't see a world where there's not

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Speaker 6: another defensive option, you know. I mean there's hum Again,

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Speaker 6: we talked about the corners, but I mean I can

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Speaker 6: name off ten guys right now that I would have

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Speaker 6: above any receiver. So it's there's gonna be somebody if

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Speaker 6: you really want to go there on the defensive side

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Speaker 6: of ball, and you may be taking a less premium

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Speaker 6: position depending on how you view. I mean, I think

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Speaker 6: I'm not really putting Caleb downs in the safety mold

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Speaker 6: because it's a different player, different play. Yeah, but you

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Speaker 6: know there's linebackers. You can even talk about the running

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Speaker 6: back there. You can talk about the corners, all of

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Speaker 6: this stuff that all of those you would have way

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Speaker 6: above any of the if.

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Speaker 4: They've already signed Bryant, how will that inform what they

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Speaker 4: do if Caleb Downs is there.

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Speaker 6: I don't necessarily think a lot because you know the stars.

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Speaker 4: Well, I can get the two things I want the most.

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Speaker 4: You can get Kobe Bryant and Caleb Down.

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Speaker 6: And now your fun And now the idea would then be,

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Speaker 6: Caleb Downs is your Eman Worry, your Kyle Hamilton. This

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Speaker 6: slot safety role that has become a huge thing in

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Speaker 6: the NFL right now as teams try to counter what

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Speaker 6: the offenses are doing. And you saw that across all

485
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Speaker 6: these really good defenses, and the Bengals really love the

486
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Speaker 6: concept of that player. There are just not a lot

487
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Speaker 6: of players capable of pulling that position off properly. You

488
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Speaker 6: have to be pretty special, like Eman Worry was or

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Speaker 6: like Kyle Hamilton is. I mean, these are these are

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Speaker 6: top of the draft type players, elite skill sets. Caleb

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Speaker 6: Downs is that, and you can construct if that ends

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Speaker 6: up being your pick. I mean, you can have, Okay,

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Speaker 6: Jordan Battle and Kobe Bryant are our safeties going into

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Speaker 6: the season. And again this fits my whole point. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you have set yourself up where if Caleb Downs is there. Okay, yes,

496
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Speaker 6: now we can have some fun with this defense and

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Speaker 6: put him into that role and let everybody we can

498
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Speaker 6: rework some things on the fly as we go in

499
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Speaker 6: next season and have a little bit more of that

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Speaker 6: aspect of that slot safety position with him as an

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Speaker 6: instinctual closer to the box guy like that makes a

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Speaker 6: ton of sense. But you've got it. You don't want

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Speaker 6: to feel forced to need him to play regular safety

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Speaker 6: or whatever you have. It's better if you just have

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Speaker 6: all of those already in place.

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Speaker 2: So I think it fits.

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Speaker 6: What you're talking about, actually fits exactly what you would

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Speaker 6: want it to be for Caleb.

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Speaker 4: I have more questions based on this. Plus we have

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Speaker 4: to complain about the Hall of Fame some more. No,

511
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Speaker 4: of course, it's great. The results came out since you've

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Speaker 4: been here. Don't worry, We're not gonna get get results

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Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame results on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: You were here.

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Speaker 6: Thursday, you were here Tuesday. I thought you meant like

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Speaker 6: something new just came out.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 4: Since you were last year, we found out that Willie

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Speaker 4: Anderson and Can Anderson are not getting into to Canton,

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Speaker 4: not getting into the Pro Football Hall of Fame and

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Speaker 4: we What we do is we talk about things that

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Speaker 4: have happened since your last visit.

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Speaker 6: Man, you talk about milk uh huh, I mean we

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Speaker 6: are We are straight to the milk well today between

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Speaker 6: Hall of Fame, Yeah and Trey Hendrickson, we are playing

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Speaker 6: super Bowl is on the fourteenth.

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Speaker 4: The Hall of Fame class next year comes out on

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Speaker 4: crushing her. It's for nothing us in the second period,

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Speaker 4: five minutes to go.

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Speaker 2: We needed this.

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Speaker 6: We do need this because I gotta say I was

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Speaker 6: are I really do like I'm I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 6: I was watching the Corries all week, drinding out a

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Speaker 6: They narrowly lost to sweet And a team that they

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Speaker 6: But a great run for them. But I've just really

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Speaker 6: wanted the gold for them.

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Speaker 2: But it was. It's good to watch. It's fun to watch.

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Speaker 6: Every single curling match comes down to like one centimeter

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Speaker 4: I had curling on and here yesterday and what I

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Speaker 6: What I love is when they were pulling, they play

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Speaker 6: all the matches like simultaneously, because they're all like in

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Speaker 6: a line like shuffleboard courts, and if you're watching, it

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Speaker 6: two courts over you'll just hear like some Swedish yelling.

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Speaker 6: You just hear screaming in the disness. It's very off putting.

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Speaker 6: It's very concerning, but anyway, not very good. Yeah, sorry

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Speaker 6: for nothing.

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Speaker 4: The US leads Canada in a preliminary round battle in

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Speaker 4: women's hockey. Paul Danner Junior from The Ale and the

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Speaker 4: Growler podcast. Your tenth item is extend DJ Turner and

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Speaker 4: Dax Hill before camp. Can that happen before the draft?

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Speaker 4: I know the likelihood of that happening, but that can

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Speaker 4: that happen? Could happen today?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: You could?

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Speaker 4: So, like if if you want to go into the

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Speaker 4: draft with the most amount of information possible, you get

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Speaker 4: those guys done. I know that typically isn't how they've

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Speaker 4: done things.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I agree with you. I just think my drop

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Speaker 6: dead deadline on it would be training camp, just to

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Speaker 6: avoid all the distraction stuff.

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Speaker 2: That's been a problem.

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Speaker 4: Ideally, no chance that happens, no chance, no chance that happens.

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Speaker 9: I don't I don't love the chance.

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Speaker 2: No, no chance that happens.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, we're definitely we're holding in, we're holding out,

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Speaker 6: We're we're hat watching, We're we're doing we're doing it

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Speaker 6: like September eighth, right when the.

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Speaker 2: First game is late, right, it's yeah, the fourteenth, I.

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Speaker 6: Believe, or we're gonna be We're gonna be in that

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Speaker 6: that weekend before the first game, where like, is he

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Speaker 6: gonna sign, what's gonna happen?

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Speaker 2: Is he gonna play?

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Speaker 6: It feels like you could end up in that in

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Speaker 6: that area certainly, but it would be lovely I think

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Speaker 6: for all involved if they could come to an agreement

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Speaker 6: right before training camp starts. Here you go, these are

626
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Speaker 6: your guys built around him.

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Speaker 5: You right.

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Speaker 4: There are also extension conversations to be had with Chase

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Speaker 4: Brown and Miles Murphy, and we should see where they go.

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Speaker 4: But there's more reason to let those play out than

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Speaker 4: with the corners. Beyond him playing running back. What are

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Speaker 4: the reasons to let them play out with Chase.

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Speaker 6: Well, you still got the running back franchise tag, which

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Speaker 6: is a lower number than most of the other ones.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you're talking about franchise tagging, say DJ

636
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Speaker 6: tur right, that's a much bigger number that you're dealing with.

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Speaker 6: Then there's better value. And if you had to do

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Speaker 6: that with Chase, you'd be more willing to do that

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Speaker 6: with him. Paying running backs generally is a different conversation

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Speaker 6: than paying a number one shutdown corner, So you know

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Speaker 6: you're having different conversations there, and even an edresher like

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Speaker 6: like Miles or whatever that would look like. I love

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Speaker 6: the idea of paying Chase Brown, but if you get

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Speaker 6: down to it, I think that's the one that falls off.

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Speaker 6: Probably there's ways to keep him here and still get

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Speaker 6: a deal done after after this season. But you love

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Speaker 6: Chase Brown like I. He has done everything the right

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Speaker 6: way and been about it, and you hope that you

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Speaker 6: could get something done with him. But yeah, I don't

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Speaker 6: know that it has to happen right now with him,

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Speaker 6: Whereas I think you'd much more. The urgency just feels higher,

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Speaker 6: specifically with the corners item number six. Don't skimp on

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Speaker 6: backup QB in parentheses or lose Joe Flacco's number. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: how deep is the pool of viable candidates of backup quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's like legitimate dudes. Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 6: Guys that have played, had success and you feel comfortable

657
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 6: with the Garoppolos of the world. Yeah, they're out there.

658
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 6: I mean there's there's there's certainly more than a few

659
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 6: that'll be in that range. You know who could be Oh, yes,

660
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 6: you know where I'm going. Number fourteen the red rifle?

661
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: Why not? Why not? He could?

662
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 6: He could very easily be let go in Carolina. They've

663
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 6: kind of got their guy, and why not tie a

664
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 6: bow on it.

665
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: Wou'd be awesome.

666
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 6: Andy Dalton is the backup quarterback.

667
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: Like, here's the thing. Andy Dalton is what thirty seven? Yeah,

668
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 4: so he's not exactly young, but he's younger than Joe Flacco,

669
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 4: younger than Phil Rivers, younger than Philip Rivers and so,

670
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: like we I have become, and I've said this to you,

671
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: an enormous Joe Flacco fan, Like I I don't know

672
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 4: who I should credit this to, but I watched a

673
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: clip of him on social media last week talking about,

674
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 4: you know, just the amount of contact the quarterbacks take.

675
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: Now when he got Clark, it was it was terrific

676
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 4: and I should have listened to the entire interview. But

677
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 4: like I just I'm a huge fan. But he's also

678
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 4: no longer and has it at his athletic peak. Right

679
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 4: The reasons why you brought him here were be a

680
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 4: quick study. Well I don't need that anymore. I need

681
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: somebody who might be a little bit better. Andy Dalton

682
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: is probably a better quarterback than Joe Flacco right now.

683
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: So shouldn't I be looking for the best possible player

684
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: at that position or.

685
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: The same range? Yeah, I mean dramatic, dramatic, and he

686
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: would be a start.

687
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 6: I think most of these guys are in a very

688
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 6: similar similar model, and that the flat I mean the

689
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 6: Flacco thing, and we've talked through it. It's his situation

690
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 6: is very could end up any number of directions, Like

691
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 6: I don't know if there's a team that would consider

692
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 6: him a bridge quarterback or or not. Maybe maybe. I

693
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 6: mean he was a Pro bowler.

694
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 9: So that's true.

695
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: He's coming off for someone can add a Pro Bowl quarterback?

696
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: Was Andy Dalton pro bowler?

697
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 7: This year?

698
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: This year has been a Pro Bowl? Okay, I'm sure

699
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: he didn't. He wasn't in the I didn't watch the

700
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: flight football game past.

701
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, but yeah, no, I think, uh, there's a

702
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 6: there are a number of those guys that I think

703
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 6: there that would fit the bill of you know, just

704
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 6: don't don't turn this into oh, we'll just have a

705
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 6: couple of draft pick guys, yeah and battle it out

706
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 6: or pull Trevor Simeon out of the hot tub or

707
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 6: whatever to come play here, like whatever that is.

708
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 4: So miss me with that cross des rider off, I

709
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 4: think you're gonna cross if.

710
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 6: He wants to coun compete, probably crossing him off.

711
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 4: Is there a scenario though, where they could they could

712
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 4: look for the next version of what Jake Browning was

713
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 4: a guy.

714
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 2: That how did Jake Browning get here?

715
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 5: Though?

716
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 6: I mean he was a third quarter but he's a

717
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 6: practice squad guy, not to be next year's backup, but

718
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 6: but to be a guy that they go down the

719
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 6: road that's going to be our backup.

720
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: So we're not suck looking for old guys every year.

721
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 6: They need to be looking for competition for Sean Clifford

722
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 6: right now, right or whatever, you know, I mean that's.

723
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: This year.

724
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I think you're I think that's what it is.

725
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 6: Whether it's whether that's a day three pick whether that's

726
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 6: what I mean. You know there's somebody to be had

727
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 6: there that you can bring them in and see what

728
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 6: they developed. But for the number two, for Joe Burrow's backup,

729
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 6: it's an important position. Okay, So yes, have it taken

730
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 6: care of by by a real guy, not that Jake Brown.

731
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 6: You felt like it was in a good position and

732
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 6: you never know, it didn't work out. It didn't work

733
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 6: out with Jake Brown, and you thought it would have.

734
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 6: You thought you were in a great position there. But

735
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 6: I you want to feel more solid about the backup

736
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 6: to Joe just because of some of the injury history

737
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 6: that you've obviously had recently.

738
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: What was the reaction last Thursday night when you saw

739
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 4: that neither Willie Anderson or Ken Anderson is going to

740
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 4: get to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in twenty

741
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 4: twenty six.

742
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 2: This is just continues to be sad. Im not surprised. Yeah,

743
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: he just continues to be sad.

744
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 6: This institution has kind of done this to two people

745
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 6: that don't really deserve it.

746
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 4: Should I assume that like it's never going to happen,

747
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 4: specifically for Ken.

748
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: It feels that way.

749
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 6: I mean, that's and that was the impetus of the

750
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 6: entire thing that ended up happening with Craft and with

751
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 6: Belichick was those people make in that room. The fifty

752
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 6: voters knew these seniors don't get in, they're not probably

753
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 6: getting in, and so that took precedence over everything. It

754
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 6: was vote the three seniors because the Belichick and Craft,

755
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 6: guess what, they're gonna be Hall of famers, Yes, guess

756
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 6: what Ken Anderson and Roger Quig does get in. But

757
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 6: else Greenwood are never gonna be probably if they don't

758
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 6: get in here hall of famers.

759
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: And so the focus on getting.

760
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 6: The seniors in was important to a decent wide enough

761
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 6: swath of the voting group to keep it from going

762
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 6: you know, in Kenyon, but Kenny Belichick and crass direction,

763
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 6: and it's unfortunate. It just feels like this is it

764
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 6: for him. Willie I still think is gonna get in. Yeah,

765
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 6: it feels like the door is open with Ken. How

766
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 6: many times has this guy got to be finalist?

767
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 5: Right?

768
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 2: Like, I just Ken seventy six years old. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

769
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 4: And we've gone through this so many times. I felt

770
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 4: I felt awful for both. I felt an immense amount

771
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 4: of sadness for Ken and his family because that felt like,

772
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: and I hope to god I am wrong about this.

773
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 4: That felt like the door being shut. Maybe it's not,

774
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 4: but because of how this played out, the glimmer of

775
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: hope was no Belichick, no Craft, and then it still

776
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 4: didn't result in Kenny getting in. So why am I

777
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: believe that suddenly it's going to change.

778
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: Because they're potentially going to change the rules.

779
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 6: I mean they're they're this is going to have a

780
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 6: ripple effect significant with albahall votes, changes that need to

781
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 6: be made. Whether that's I would assume much more than

782
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 6: just going back to being in person and later, which

783
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 6: is some of the early indications of things that we've heard.

784
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 6: But it's gonna have to get into a reevaluation. Stop

785
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 6: putting the coaches and contributors with the seniors. They don't

786
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 6: make these additions, be competing against each other. And what

787
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 6: is it hurting to get one more deserving senior player

788
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 6: in the abyss of deserving senior players in It's just

789
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 6: not hurting anything. And I don't understand this idea that

790
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 6: came out a couple of years ago that that would oh,

791
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 6: that's it's ruining the What are you talking put these

792
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 6: deserving players in that somebody who is an MVP with

793
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 6: four passing titles and been to the Super Bowl and

794
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 6: all this other stuff like what what are what are we?

795
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 6: What are we talking about? And so that stuff. I

796
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 6: just think the pendulum then swings back the other way

797
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 6: from wherever for whatever reason, it went the other way before.

798
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 6: In terms of trying to restrict how many people are

799
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 6: coming after, you have these back to back small classes

800
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 6: where hardly anybody of all the deserving candidates gets in.

801
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 6: That is, and then the Belichick and Craft thing together

802
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 6: combines to major changes I would assume from the Hall.

803
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I kind of just threw my hands

804
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 4: up last Thursday night and went like I should not

805
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 4: be surprised by this, And then as I just thought

806
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 4: about it late on Thursday and for much of the

807
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 4: day on Friday, I just I said this to you

808
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 4: last week. I'm done over inflating the Hall of Fame's importance.

809
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 4: I don't need it as a barometer to measure either

810
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 4: guy's greatness or the greatness of anybody. But I want

811
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 4: it badly for both. I want it badly for what

812
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 4: it would mean to them and to just and a

813
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 4: lot of fans of a lot of players will make

814
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 4: the same argument. But these are guys who play for

815
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 4: the team that I care about. They're personally men that

816
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 4: we've had on the show and have been very gracious

817
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 4: to us, and I think they are important parts of

818
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 4: this franchise is fabric and they're both deserving and for

819
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 4: them to be denied, I just I feel so bad

820
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 4: for them, and I just I'm not to the point

821
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 4: that I'm not expecting a different outcome. I'm not expecting

822
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 4: it for Kenny, and I am now very skeptical that

823
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: we'll get a different outcome for Willie.

824
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

825
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 6: I mean, like I said, I don't know how many

826
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 6: times someone has to be a finalist and right on

827
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 6: the doorstep. I mean, and he's auto finalists for next

828
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 6: year because he was in the final seven again, just

829
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 6: like he was last year and left out. And it's just,

830
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 6: you know, it's I'm out of rants. Like since I've

831
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 6: started covering the league and understanding the Hall of Fame voting,

832
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 6: it has been off. It's just been mind blowing to me,

833
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 6: and it continues to be that. And I don't even know,

834
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 6: you know, until you see some kind of change, I

835
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 6: don't really know why you would expect it to be

836
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 6: any different than it's been. And it's a hard it's

837
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 6: an extra hard road for somebody like Willy, I mean,

838
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 6: an anonymous position in an anonymous market, on a team

839
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 6: that didn't win enough, even though you were truly great,

840
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 6: the best right tackle of your generation, and you just

841
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 6: have to keep watching over and over again of all

842
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 6: the other people get in.

843
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: Uh that is that is hard.

844
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 6: But watch watch the knock videos, right m hm, And

845
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 6: so they can all say, oh, it doesn't you know,

846
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 6: it doesn't mean that much to me, or of course,

847
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 6: of course you see what getting this right the impact has,

848
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 6: how much it really means when you see Roger Craig's

849
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 6: reaction when it finally happens, if you're all.

850
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: Of these yea good for him, by the way.

851
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 6: Yes, And it's not about it like there should be

852
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 6: more people that should be able to have that feeling

853
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 6: that are deserving and not less, and especially those that

854
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 6: are uniquely deserving like Willie and Kenny are.

855
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 4: They should have like a different series where like someone

856
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 4: like me knocks on Ken Anderson's door with a twelve pack,

857
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 4: it's like Ken, sorry dude, sorry, it's let's put these

858
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 4: back though, Man, I know you're a Hall of Famer.

859
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 4: That should be like, hey, you didn't make the Hall,

860
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 4: but somebody's gonna come over to your house and knock

861
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: back a twelve pack with you, yeah, or whatever your

862
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 4: favorite livation is, and then they'll just kind of do

863
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 4: that for you. And I would do that for Ken Anderson.

864
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: I honestly, if you think about n I any more.

865
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 6: Than twelve Yeah, yeah, well you could always you can

866
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 6: always show up with the case.

867
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Roll Kegan, Yeah, it's always possible.

868
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:10,399
Speaker 5: Ken.

869
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: We got a guy onload the truck. He's sorry anyway.

870
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: Read Paul Danner Junior's twelve step path to getting the Bengals.

871
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: Back to the Super Bowl. Just ten I can add to.

872
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: And then you got last year's too, which you linked

873
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,919
Speaker 2: to on this year. Yeah, that's right, you can read both.

874
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Speaker 2: How'd you think I did good? Yeah? If they would

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876
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Speaker 2: which is what I said last year.

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Speaker 4: Yes, if they would have just printed this out like

878
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Speaker 4: It's four minutes after four o'clock. This is ESPN thirteen

902
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Speaker 4: thirty on Molegger. The University of Cincinnati base ball season

903
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 4: gets underway on Friday. No, they're not going to be

904
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 4: playing here in the snow, although it's worn today. The

905
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 4: Bearcats opening up the season at or against Jacksonville State

906
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 4: in Jacksonville, Alabama. The Bearcats will play their first home game,

907
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 4: or at least their scheduled too, two weeks from today,

908
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 4: February to twenty fourth, when Cincinnati will host Bowling Green.

909
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 4: The head coach of the Bearcats on the eve of

910
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 4: the eve of the eve of the season opener, Jordan Bischell,

911
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 4: kind enough to join us this afternoon, Coach, It's good

912
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: to have you.

913
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: Good afternoon, How are you doing.

914
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on.

915
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: Always enjoy having you.

916
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 4: There's a lot to talk about start with this, so

917
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 4: we rarely give the ncaa credit for anything good, but

918
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 4: walk me through a change they have made with the

919
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 4: preseason calendar and what it has done to prepare yours

920
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 4: team better for the opener on Friday.

921
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 9: Yeah.

922
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 5: For for one, as I can remember, we basically couldn't

923
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 5: enter a full practice segment until three weeks the opening day,

924
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 5: and if you look at you know, major League Baseball

925
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 5: on the way pitchers prepare, They're getting the spring training

926
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 5: right now for a late March start. So it was

927
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 5: just it was really not a safe way to prepare

928
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 5: a team. And it changes here where we got basically

929
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 5: five weeks a full practice instead of three, and that's

930
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 5: made a really big difference in terms of not trying

931
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Speaker 5: to squeeze everything into a couple of weeks. Obviously, well,

932
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 5: there's not been great to get outside, but our new

933
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 5: indoor performance facility has been amazing and we've been in there,

934
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 5: but big help to have a couple more weeks to

935
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Speaker 5: get ready here.

936
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Speaker 4: I think the first thing that jumps out to me

937
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 4: when I look at the roster is just the amount

938
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 4: of youth. And so I'll start with thirteen freshmen. Now,

939
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 4: you know, not every freshman is going to get a

940
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 4: ton of playing time, but you got a lot of

941
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 4: guys who, throughout fall ball and now starting this weekend,

942
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Speaker 4: are going to get their first dose of competitive college baseball.

943
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: What is it like for those guys?

944
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they're going to have a few nerves,

945
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 5: they're physically prepared to to have some success for us,

946
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 5: but they're going to be faith in competitions that they

947
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 5: haven't faith consistently in their lives. So they'll have some

948
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 5: ups and downs. But it's a good group. You know,

949
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 5: it's our third year. We've really started to establish getting

950
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 5: getting the student athletes here, that's what we're trying to do.

951
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 5: And so there's there's four or five names in that

952
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 5: group that are going to impact right away. But it

953
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 5: is it's young. We've seen what the transfer portal of

954
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 5: the highest level of college athletics have gotten so old

955
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 5: and so experienced, and kind of bucking that trend a

956
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 5: little bit because we think we have the right young

957
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 5: guys that can grow and turn into real difference makers.

958
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 5: So it's exciting, but but yeah, we're going to have

959
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 5: a few bumps in the road.

960
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 4: Early when you go into the portal and you've got

961
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: six transfers to our pictures. When you go into the portal,

962
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 4: do you go into it with a checklist, so to speak,

963
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 4: of like specific whether it's a lefty pitcher, or we

964
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 4: need a shortstop, or we need a corner outfielder, or

965
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: do you just look for guys that look like they

966
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 4: could play at this level, look like they'll be a

967
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 4: good fit and you'll find a place for him.

968
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: How's that work?

969
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's where it's started to morph the last

970
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 5: couple of years.

971
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 9: For us.

972
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 5: Early on it was, hey, if they can compete and play,

973
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 5: we probably don't have quite enough depth, and we got

974
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 5: to take a shot on a lot of different things. Positionally,

975
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 5: we got really specific this last year. Needed a middle infielder,

976
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 5: got exactly who we wanted in Jackson Smith who can

977
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 5: play all three infield positions and plays our style of baseball.

978
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 5: Conlin Daniel and centerfield local kid. Those were our only

979
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 5: two additions there. On the pitching side, you know, the

980
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 5: number one thing we look for is production, and there's

981
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 5: a lot of velocity out there. There's a lot of

982
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 5: projectability out there, there's a lot of size out there. Ultimately,

983
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 5: if they've played in college and not gotten anybody out,

984
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 5: it's quite frankly, a little bit of a red flag

985
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 5: to us. The best for us, the best predictor of

986
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 5: future success is best success makes sense.

987
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 4: Where do you think at the start of the season

988
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 4: the strength of your team is and what would you

989
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 4: like for aside from picking up wins, where do you

990
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 4: have to grow in the coming weeks?

991
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you mentioned our youth is going to be interesting.

992
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 5: We've got to we've got to kind of see how

993
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 5: we handle adversity. I think that'll be one of our

994
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 5: early challenges. Our guys are expecting to have success well

995
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 5: with that, there's going to be some failure that they

996
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 5: got to deal with, and some of them haven't been

997
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 5: through that, so I think that'll be one big challenge

998
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 5: for us. I think our lineup is really deep now.

999
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be nine guys that can

1000
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 5: really impact the game in one way or another. We

1001
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 5: got down to Georgia for two days last weekend of practice.

1002
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 5: We haven't been out here and it was just impressive

1003
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 5: to see the number of guys that came out and

1004
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 5: really did some impactful things. So I think that that

1005
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 5: depth is going to show up, and really you're going

1006
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 5: to see that on the pitching side to a little bit.

1007
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 5: I just I think it's a much more complete roster.

1008
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 5: And we've done it's no flight against our last two teams.

1009
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 5: We've done some really good things. But I think it's

1010
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 5: a more complete roster.

1011
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 4: What does playing in an NCAA tournament last year do

1012
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 4: for your program in terms of recruiting both at the

1013
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 4: high school level and kids who are giving Cincinnati a

1014
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 4: look in the portal that might not have prior to

1015
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: last year.

1016
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's big. If you're in Cincinnati and

1017
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 5: in southern Ohio, northern Kentucky, whatever, you know, you know

1018
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 5: kind of who we are, but you know you're one

1019
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 5: and two. We talked to some guys nationally that might

1020
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 5: not even know we're in the Big twelve now and

1021
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 5: obviously playing some games that are nationally televised and playing

1022
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 5: some top teams open some eyes and you know, we're

1023
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 5: kind of selling a vision and now we're selling a product,

1024
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 5: and it's easier to sell something tangible, right, So it's

1025
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 5: definitely helpful. And we've seen that. We've seen more interest,

1026
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 5: we've seen more excitement. It's both high school guys and

1027
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 5: portal guys. They some guys bought in and believe we

1028
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 5: can win, and now they know we can win, and

1029
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 5: certainly that doesn't hurt.

1030
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: What can you get done working indoors?

1031
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 5: We can get a lot time. I grew up in

1032
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 5: Green Bay, so that's all we ever did was working

1033
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 5: in the doors. We got outside halfway through the season,

1034
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 5: but in coach at Central Michigan and Northwood up in Michigan.

1035
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 5: I was there for nine years. I mean legitimately have

1036
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 5: had seasons where we didn't we didn't get on our

1037
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 5: field to practice until fifteen or twenty games into the season,

1038
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 5: and so you have to be created. You can't play games,

1039
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 5: but I think you can really focus on little things

1040
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 5: and processes. You know, pitchers no longer are worried about

1041
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 5: if they gave up a hit or not. They're worried

1042
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 5: about if they made a good pitch. Hitters aren't is

1043
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 5: worried about you know, where did the ball land? But

1044
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 5: did I get the right pitch when it was I

1045
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 5: on time? Mechanically we can get sound, so it probably

1046
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 5: is all a sales pitch from a northern guy. Baseball

1047
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 5: is meant to be played outside. But but there's stuff

1048
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 5: we can do, and the facility we have this year

1049
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 5: is certainly really helpful with that. It's it's just an

1050
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 5: excuse if we're not ready to go.

1051
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 4: I feel like fallball is fallball has been in place

1052
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 4: for a while, but it's it's something you're playing games

1053
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 4: against high major opposition. What did you learn about this

1054
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 4: collection of guys in fallball? Would you guys get done

1055
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 4: during that period.

1056
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know.

1057
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 7: That was valuable.

1058
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 5: We play We played Purdue and we played Pitch two

1059
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 5: really veteran teams, almost all juniors and seniors, and I

1060
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 5: think it was a little eye opening for some of

1061
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 5: our our nineteen year olds that it's just more physical,

1062
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 5: it's fast, sure, there's more polish, and so we quite frankly,

1063
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 5: we didn't play as well as I would have liked,

1064
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 5: but it identified, hey, what do we need to do.

1065
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 5: Some of our young pitchers that maybe against incomplete lineups

1066
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 5: and scrimmages, had to face a little more depth, maybe

1067
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 5: got hit around a little bit, helped us make some adjustments.

1068
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 5: So I think we saw our youth, but that didn't

1069
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 5: surprise us. And that was October. We've had a few

1070
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 5: more months to work with them, and we got a

1071
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 5: bunch of months left yet.

1072
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 4: Best of luck this weekend home opener two weeks from today.

1073
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 4: Hopefully the weather cooperates throughout the course of the season.

1074
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 4: Enjoy the warmer climates, pick up some victories. We'll do

1075
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 4: it again soon. Coach, thanks so much.

1076
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, we want to see everybody out there. February twenty fourth,

1077
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 5: might be thirty five, might be sixty five, but either way,

1078
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 5: it'll be fun baseball.

1079
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: Appreciate you having me on as I always four o'clock in

1080
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 4: the afternoon, the sun is going to be out. We're

1081
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 4: crossing our fingers for weather like today. Coach, thanks as.

1082
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 9: Always, appreciate it.

1083
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 7: Thanks Mom.

1084
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 4: That's Jordan Bischel, the baseball coach at the University of

1085
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 4: Cincinnati u SE. Coming off in NCAA tournament season, trying

1086
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 4: to get back you see. Opening up to see at

1087
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 4: or against Jacksonville State in Jacksonville, Alabama.

1088
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: UH and then home on the.

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Speaker 4: Twenty fourth for Bowling Green at the UC Baseball Stadium.

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Speaker 4: It's thirteen after four o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Moegar.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for listening today. Awesome stuff first hour

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Speaker 4: from Paul Daanner Junior. If you missed any of it,

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Speaker 4: to watch college basketball this weekend. If you're thinking ahead

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Speaker 4: to baseball, if the warm ish weather today has you

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Speaker 4: watch ball games this year, long neck sports grill. You

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Speaker 4: got Wilder, you got Hebron, you got Richwood. Five point

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Speaker 4: three seven four nine fifteen thirty is our phone number

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Speaker 4: eight six six seven oh two three seven seven six.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna go to good year. Coming up at five

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Speaker 4: oh five. Our guy Pat Brennan from the Inquirer in

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati dot com. Are you Haineo Suarez showed up today?

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Speaker 4: Reds are going through physicals. The workout is tomorrow. We'll

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Speaker 4: get Pat to set the scene for us coming up

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Speaker 4: at five oh five. And is a former Red good

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Speaker 4: good a federal prison for a very long time? And

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Speaker 4: how about a rare win for both common Sense and

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Speaker 4: the NCAA. Our man our legal analyst, Attorney Stewart W.

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Speaker 4: Penrose from the Manila Law Group, is going to join

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Speaker 4: us at four thirty five. I've got to come up

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Speaker 4: with a poll question on Twitter at mowegger. We've got

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Speaker 4: some Bengals stuff to get to. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 4: night that was in college basketball next on ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 4: thirty Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: WCKY Cincinnati and iHeartRadio station Guaranteed Human ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: I heard Rady Tyler Stevenson wins his arbitration case. Congratulations

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Speaker 4: to Tyler. He'll make a six point eight million dollars.

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Speaker 4: Players are six and one in arbitration cases. It will

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Speaker 4: come as no surprise to you that I root for

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Speaker 4: the players six and one. Bad offseason for the owners.

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Speaker 4: Bad offseason for the owners. Remember they love those arbitration wins.

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Speaker 4: Tyler wins again. Graham Ashcraft won his case as well.

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Speaker 4: We'll good a good year coming up. In forty five

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Speaker 4: minutes US Olympic Women's hockey, the US leads Canada for

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Speaker 4: nothing with about eight minutes to.

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Speaker 2: Go in the third period.

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Speaker 4: The college basketball last night, top to bottom was awesome.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about it locally here. First, Xavier loses at

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Speaker 4: Saint John's in overtime. Another tough loss for Richard Patino's team.

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Speaker 4: I believe I wouldn't have said it if I didn't,

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Speaker 4: but what I said during since he three to sixty,

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Speaker 4: I believe I think Richard Patino has gotten as much

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Speaker 4: out of that team as you could ask any coach.

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Speaker 4: But you know there have been a number of losses

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Speaker 4: like that in games that were there for the taking

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Speaker 4: that they just haven't been able to close out and

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Speaker 4: you can't help, but wonder, you know, how would folks

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Speaker 4: feel about the season. I don't not going to talk

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Speaker 4: about him at NCAA tournament terms had they been able

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Speaker 4: to close out a handful of those games. Xavier loss

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Speaker 4: to Creighton in Omaha two or three weeks ago in

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Speaker 4: a game where I thought top to bottom they got

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Speaker 4: a tough whistle and there were legitimate gripes about the

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Speaker 4: officiating in that game. And as a general rule, as

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Speaker 4: a fan, as a fan who has a public platform,

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Speaker 4: I just don't spend a ton of time on officiating

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Speaker 4: because you could do that after every loss if you want,

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Speaker 4: and the more you do that, the less of an

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Speaker 4: impact it has. But I thought in that game against Creighton,

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Speaker 4: there were a bunch of calls in that game that

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Speaker 4: didn't go Xavier's way that I feel like had an

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Speaker 4: impact on the game. Last night, the free throw disparity

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Speaker 4: was forty one to seventeen in favor of the Red Storm.

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Speaker 4: That was not an officiating issue. It was a Xavier

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Speaker 4: fan issue. They kept sending the Red Storm to the line.

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Speaker 4: Saint John's missed a bunch of free throws in that game,

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Speaker 4: and on their own end, had a bunch of opportunities

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Speaker 4: to close out the game and never really did. But

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Speaker 4: the free throw disparity, as striking as it was forty

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Speaker 4: one to seventeen, to me, was more of a reflection

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Speaker 4: of how the game was played and how Xavier kept

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Speaker 4: fouling and Saint John's did not. So I'll listen to

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Speaker 4: officiating gripes if they're legitimate, and Xaviers had some this year.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they really did last night. Last night

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Speaker 2: was you know.

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Speaker 4: And I bring this up, and I bring this up

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Speaker 4: occasionally because number one college basketball has its issues.

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Speaker 2: It does.

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Speaker 4: There's anarchy, and there's chaos, and there's rules that are

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Speaker 4: either illegal so courts strike them down or they're not

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Speaker 4: being enforced, or in some cases, there are no rules

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Speaker 4: at all. And you do have a lot of fans

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Speaker 4: who feel like they don't have the same connection to

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Speaker 4: their favorite program because they don't have the same connection

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Speaker 4: to the players who play for their program. And that

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Speaker 4: is an issue, that is a problem, and nobody who

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Speaker 4: cares about college basketball will deny that. Like there's some

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Speaker 4: stuff in the sport that has to be fixed. But

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Speaker 4: I always laugh when I hear and you get it

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Speaker 4: all the time in college football as well. I always

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Speaker 4: laugh when I hear someone talk about how it's been ruined.

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Speaker 4: College basketball will be ruined when I go to the

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Speaker 4: Holy Grail on the Thursday or Friday of the NCAA

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Speaker 4: Tournament and it's not packed with people checking their brackets

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Speaker 4: until then, miss me with how it's being ruined. NCAA

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Speaker 4: Tournament ratings last year were through the roof. One might

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Speaker 4: argue it's because of gambling. Okay, there was a story

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Speaker 4: that came out last week highlighting how good college basketball

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Speaker 4: TV ratings have been on multiple networks throughout this season. Now,

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Speaker 4: recently sixty five percent of the country has been blanketed

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Speaker 4: by snow. That certainly helps. College basketball season started months before.

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Speaker 4: Ratings have been good all year. Why because the on

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Speaker 4: court product this season is awesome, and I feel like

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Speaker 4: at times you have to point such stuff out.

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Speaker 2: I do this with baseball.

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Speaker 4: Get a group of baseball fans together and they'll talk

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Speaker 4: about its issues.

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Speaker 2: And baseball has its issues. It's main issue right now

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Speaker 2: as you have.

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Speaker 4: A lot of fans who right or wrong, feel like

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Speaker 4: their team has no chance to win.

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Speaker 2: That's got to be rectified.

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Speaker 4: When you have customers, either real customers or potential customers,

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Speaker 4: who are telling you I'm not as invested because my

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Speaker 4: team has no chance.

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Speaker 2: That's something you should take a look at.

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Speaker 4: Baseball's on field product, however, is absolutely awesome right now.

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Speaker 2: It's terrific.

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Speaker 4: Rob Manfred, who I think is a bad commissioner, has

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Speaker 4: fixed a lot of stuff which maybe makes them not

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Speaker 4: as bad as I've always made them out to be.

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Speaker 4: Tons of young stars, speed of the game is terrific. Like,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot to love about the on field product.

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Speaker 4: And I point this out because there are so many

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Speaker 4: folks who will go out of their way to constantly

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Speaker 4: remind you how bad or broken the sport is. College

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Speaker 4: basketball on the floor last night, if you watch Michael

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Speaker 4: Brown for Louisville in a game against NC State that

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Speaker 4: was nowhere as close to us competitive as a lot

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Speaker 4: of folks thought it was going to be, was terrific,

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Speaker 4: dropped forty five points. The degree of difficulty on some

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Speaker 4: of the shots, like must watch last night Lamar Wilkinson

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Speaker 4: from Indiana, the Hoosiers enjoying a resurgence. It drops forty

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Speaker 4: one in a game that if I thought it was

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Speaker 4: necessarily going to be close, Oregon is really bad, but

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Speaker 4: they've been up by eighteen. Wilkerson has forty one. Indiana

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Speaker 4: has slowly crept into the NCAA Tournament, at least as

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Speaker 4: of right now. And then the game last night between

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Speaker 4: Kansas and Arizona was terrific, terrific, just a great college

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Speaker 4: basketball game. Florie Badunga, who a lot of folks thought

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Speaker 4: maybe will come to UC, was absolutely phenomenal. The environment

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Speaker 4: at fog Allen field House was terrific, and the number

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Speaker 4: one team in the country loses in what was an

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Speaker 4: awesome back and forth college basketball game involving two high

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Speaker 4: end teams that are obviously going to be in the

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Speaker 4: NCAA Tournament. If you went into last night thinking Arizona

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Speaker 4: is the best team in the country, you should still

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Speaker 4: feel that way. Kansas has enjoyed a resurgence. Lots of

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Speaker 4: fair questions about Darren Peterson and how much that dude

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Speaker 4: actually wants to play, because I have no idea if

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Speaker 4: you're dealing with the flu, how you don't at least

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Speaker 4: try to play in a game of that magnitude. Last

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Speaker 4: night and the game as a result, leaves the Miami

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Speaker 4: RedHawks as the nation's lone unbeaten.

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Speaker 2: Team, which is an awesome story.

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Speaker 4: A sport is not broken if it has awesome stories

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Speaker 4: and if it's product on the floor or on the

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Speaker 4: field is as good as it is in college basketball

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00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 4: right now, the freshman class in this sport is terrific.

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Speaker 4: And I know I beat this drum often because I

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Speaker 4: feel like, as as somebody who loves sports, it is

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Speaker 4: very easy to get bogged down and what's not great?

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Speaker 4: When college basketball's product has been awful? Oh know about you,

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Speaker 4: I ain't been shy about saying how bad it is.

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Speaker 4: And ten years ago I thought it was atrocious. Twelve

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Speaker 4: years ago thought it was atrocious. When the NFL product

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Speaker 4: hasn't been very good, there are no shortage of people

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Speaker 4: who will tell you how bad the product is. By

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01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 4: the way, the NFL product is awesome. College basketball product.

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Speaker 4: If you listen to people who only talk about what's

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Speaker 4: happening off the floor, would make you think that what

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Speaker 4: is happening on the floor is almost irrelevant. Well, the

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Speaker 4: number of people watching the games on TV and going

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Speaker 4: to games will tell you that what's happening on the

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Speaker 4: floor is not irrelevant, and if you do watch what's

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Speaker 4: happening on the floor, it is. It's awesome. Like I still,

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Speaker 4: on a winter weekday night can sit home and watch

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Speaker 4: anywhere from six to eight high end college basketball games

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Speaker 4: at different levels of the sport feel extraordinarily entertained. That

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Speaker 4: was one of those nights. And by the way, yes,

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Speaker 4: congratulations to the Miami RedHawks. To go this deep into

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Speaker 4: the season as the last team standing without a loss

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01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 4: in your lost column is a cool accomplishment. Obviously, one

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Speaker 4: of the biggest stories in college basketball right now is

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Speaker 4: you know, is Miami gonna go undefeated and lose in

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Speaker 4: the MAC Tournament and still make the NCAA Tournament. And

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Speaker 4: to a degree, I feel like I feel like it's

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Speaker 4: a huge story, but we're also over hyping it. On

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Speaker 4: February the tenth, Like, worry about it once they get there,

1286
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 4: worry about it if they finish undefeated, worry about it

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Speaker 4: once the MAC Tournament kids here. If they actually lose

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01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 4: right now, there's like angst being created. They haven't lost.

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Speaker 4: They didn't lose on Saturday to Marshall when some said

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Speaker 4: they would. They're gonna be big favorites at home on

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Speaker 4: Friday against Ohio University, and if they lose a game,

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Speaker 4: there's still something really meaningful I believe about winning a

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Speaker 4: regular season championship. Oh and by the way, they can

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Speaker 4: still make the NCAA Tournament because they'll be one of

1295
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Speaker 4: the favorites in the MAC Tournament. But I just I

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Speaker 4: sat there last night, wife watched some of it with me,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, why does anybody who watches this think

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Speaker 4: this game is as ruined as many will make it

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Speaker 4: out to be. Again, man, there's some structural issues that

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Speaker 4: got to be addressed. There's some things in this sport

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Speaker 4: But you can convince me that it's ruined when the

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Speaker 4: but and you can really convince me it's ruined when

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Speaker 4: people stop watching and paying attention. And nobody is who

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Speaker 4: looks at numbers, who looks at data, will conclude that

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Speaker 4: the way, speaking of college hoops, the NCAA got a

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Speaker 4: rare legal win. It's record in court now is like

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Speaker 4: four and one thousand and six. Because the dude who

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Speaker 4: Charles Bettiaco, who sued for his eligibility at Alabama after

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Speaker 4: uh starting college and then jumping to the draft, came

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Speaker 4: back to Alabama. Well, a court has said, actually, no,

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Speaker 4: he's not eligible anymore. So that's really good. Does he

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Speaker 4: still have a pathway back to college basketball? Our legal

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Speaker 4: answers our sports and law questions and we have a

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Speaker 4: bunch today. Stuart, what's going on dot?

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Speaker 5: Doing well?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 12: How about yourself?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well.

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Speaker 4: So let's start with Charles Mediaco, the now former and

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Speaker 4: maybe future Alabama Crimson Tide basketball player who has been

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Speaker 4: told no by the courts, You're not eligible. You're not

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Speaker 4: going to be able to play a rare win for

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Speaker 4: the NC Double A. Does this mean that the door

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Speaker 4: for him playing college basketball is permanently closed.

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Speaker 5: It sounds like it.

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Speaker 12: It could certainly be challenged, but it sounds like it.

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Speaker 12: The n C double A got a big win here,

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Speaker 12: mo a win that they that they really needed. And

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Speaker 12: his case was a bit different from some of these

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Speaker 12: other G League players. You know, he was already you know,

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Speaker 12: he'd already played college basketball. The n C double A

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Speaker 12: wanted to set this line. Hey, it's you go to

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Speaker 12: the draft and stay in after playing you're done. And

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Speaker 12: they finally got a court to agree with them. We'll

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Speaker 12: see if it holds up, but it's pretty good precedent

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Speaker 12: for the NCUBLEA. Here is an injunction was set to expire,

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Speaker 12: very very unlikely that that this could be put back

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Speaker 12: on to where he could play before the end of

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Speaker 12: the season. The NCAA picked a pretty good president setting

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Speaker 12: win here.

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Speaker 4: What is the likelihood that the NCAA could get together

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Speaker 4: with lawmakers and create a set of rules that can't

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Speaker 4: be challenged in court.

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Speaker 12: Tough to say. It's not all federal law. There's the

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Speaker 12: laws of every state in which the NCAA operates, which

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Speaker 12: is all fifty states as well too.

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Speaker 2: It would be a very difficult thing to do.

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Speaker 12: Quite frankly, if there was a way to do it,

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Speaker 12: I'm sure they probably would have done so by now.

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Speaker 4: All right, So Charles Bediaco's college basketball two point zero

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Speaker 4: dream is at least deferred and maybe dead. Let's talk

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Speaker 4: about something that's a little bit more serious. Explain to

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Speaker 4: me why former read yes El Puigue may end up

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Speaker 4: spending a lot of time in prison.

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Speaker 12: Well, he got a convicted of obstruction of justice and

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Speaker 12: line to prosecutors, he's facing fifteen years in prison for this,

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Speaker 12: just went to a jury trial over it, lost, and

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Speaker 12: now he's at the mercy of a of a may

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Speaker 12: sentencen right now.

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Speaker 9: Mo.

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Speaker 12: So he's he's faced it a lot right now and

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Speaker 12: all of his own doing.

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Speaker 4: What are what are the sentencing possibilities here? Because I've

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Speaker 4: read you know what what the maximum is is likely

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Speaker 4: to not necessarily match what the actual sentence turns out

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Speaker 4: to be.

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Speaker 12: That's exactly right. I mean the maximum that he's safety

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Speaker 12: years is fifteen years. I'm not sure what prior criminal

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Speaker 12: convictions he has. You know, he played in the MLB

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Speaker 12: for so many years. I'm guessing that he's probably relatively

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Speaker 12: light if any prior contacts with the court that's going

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Speaker 12: to be taken into consideration. I know that his defense

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Speaker 12: was trying to state that he you know, didn't fully

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Speaker 12: understand the linguist language and didn't have Council of Criminal

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Speaker 12: counsel with him present in the meeting where he you know,

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Speaker 12: lied to officials, released convicted of you know, lin to

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Speaker 12: officials and a meeting about his illegal gambling. Certainly that's

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Speaker 12: it's not an excuse, but it's an explanation. It is

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Speaker 12: mitigation to some extent.

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Speaker 2: How often that's that go ahead?

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Speaker 9: Got him?

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Speaker 4: Know?

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Speaker 12: What's that message? Most you know say the same plot

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Speaker 12: out that he lied to him. So there's certainly no

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Speaker 12: cooperation here and the charges are effectively and he didn't cooperate,

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Speaker 12: So that's not a good fact for him.

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Speaker 4: Whether it's a case like this, My apologies for interrupting,

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Speaker 4: but whether it's a case like this or or or

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Speaker 4: a different type of case you know you mentioned, there's

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Speaker 4: language barriers.

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Speaker 2: Y S. E. L.

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Speaker 4: Puigue I believe has the equivalent of a third grade education.

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Speaker 4: That's by his own admission. How often are barriers like

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Speaker 4: that taken into consideration when it comes to sentencing or

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Speaker 4: even guilty or not guilty.

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Speaker 12: It's mitigation to something it's not guilt, or in a

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Speaker 12: sense it's mitigation. Certainly in court there would be an

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Speaker 12: interpreter available for all court proceedings. I'm not sure exactly

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Speaker 12: of the of the factors in that specific interview in

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Speaker 12: which these charges originated from and the you know, conviction

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Speaker 12: ultimately came from, but it would be taken into consideration

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Speaker 12: for mitigation here for his seventeen purposes.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Heelpuige last played in the big leagues in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 4: but he has been an active player internationally.

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Speaker 2: He is awaiting sentencing.

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Speaker 4: Is he now not able to go play in another

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Speaker 4: country while he awaits it, or can he be allowed

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Speaker 4: to go play with the assumption that he's going to

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Speaker 4: come back when he finally has to stand in front

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Speaker 4: of a judge.

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, this could prevent him from going overseas and playing overseas.

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Speaker 12: You're now a convicted federal selling you have a SENTENCEEAM

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Speaker 12: coming up in three months one. I don't know if

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Speaker 12: the team is going to touch here. He is a

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Speaker 12: United States citizen. He did become a United States citizen

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Speaker 12: in twenty nineteen, so he does have that. But yes,

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Speaker 12: this is absolutely going to affect his ability to travel

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Speaker 12: and play baseball this season and perhaps beyond.

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Speaker 2: Attorney Stewart W.

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Speaker 4: Penrose from the Manila Law Group joins us to talk

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Speaker 4: about sports and the law every Tuesday. This is a

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Speaker 4: case that we started talking about in November. The two

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Speaker 4: Cleveland Guardians, pitchers Emmanuel Claus and Luis Ortiz, while they're

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Speaker 4: their teammates, are getting said to report to spring training

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Speaker 4: in goodyear. They are staring at the possibility of as

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Speaker 4: many as sixty five years in prison. And it's interesting

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Speaker 4: apparently the story came out this week Classe in particular,

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Speaker 4: was rigging pitches in more games than it was originally believed.

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Speaker 4: Walk me through this case and does the story that

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Speaker 4: came out this week perhaps make the punishment he faces

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Speaker 4: more severe?

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, it makes it more severe. Essentially, what they're coming

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Speaker 12: out and saying is that he participated in this scheme

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Speaker 12: and up to forty eight games and apparently something around

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Speaker 12: two hundred and fifty pitches. And this is not some

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Speaker 12: low level MLB player. He was a star. He was

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Speaker 12: an All Star and a very very elite reliever.

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Speaker 9: This is a.

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Speaker 12: Big whale for the government to get here. Much more

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Speaker 12: so than his teammate. Yes, he's facing significant time here.

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Speaker 12: What ultimately happens with that, I don't know, expecially since

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Speaker 12: she has probably a little to know prior contacts with

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Speaker 12: the court. But this is a he's a big six

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Speaker 12: that they're trying to get here, and this is a

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Speaker 12: very significant news that you know, shows much more involvement

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Speaker 12: than we thought he had before.

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Speaker 4: Can you outline for me the trouble that Falcons linebacker

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Speaker 4: James Pierce faces in the aftermath of his arrest in

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Speaker 4: Miami for felony, aggravated battery and fleeing police.

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Speaker 12: Well, the allegations on this one are crazy.

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Speaker 9: I mean, the.

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Speaker 12: Allegations are that he's stalking his ex girlfriend and apparently,

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Speaker 12: uh you know, was put at gunpoint by a cop

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Speaker 12: to be to be arrested, gets back in his car

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Speaker 12: and drives off and hits the cop with in his knee.

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Speaker 12: So the the allegations here are awful for him, just awful.

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Speaker 12: And again this is this was an elite rookie, bright

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Speaker 12: future ahead of him, and he still may have a

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Speaker 12: bright future ahead of him, who knows, but he's got

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Speaker 12: a significant challenge to go through here. I cannot imagine

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Speaker 12: this won't end in some sort of felony charges here

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Speaker 12: given this disobedience to the officer hitting the officer. The

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Speaker 12: level of injury the officer has here is going to

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Speaker 12: be crucial.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 12: It's he alleges a serious injury that's gonna make his

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Speaker 12: charges go up here and he'll be facing a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly looks like it. Awesome insight as always, my friend,

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much, Thank you Mo. That's our guy. Our

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Speaker 4: legal expert attorney Stewart W. Penrose. Make sure you learn

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Speaker 4: more at manilolawgroup dot com. Joins us every Tuesday at

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Speaker 4: four thirty five. The Charles Bettiaco case. The sincere hope

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Speaker 4: is that there's a way for the NCAA to work.

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Speaker 2: With the government to.

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Speaker 4: Come up with rules that can't be as beaten down

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Speaker 4: in court as often as they have been in the past.

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Speaker 4: Hanios Suarez and many of his teammates in Goodyear getting

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Speaker 4: set for a workout tomorrow. A reminder of the best

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Speaker 2: Is reported from five.

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Speaker 4: This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Molager, it's good a good year.

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Speaker 4: In ten minutes, Mike, you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 7: Well, well, hi, I was just trying to hang up

1529
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 7: my sweatshirt.

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01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 12: So yeah.

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01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 7: We stayed Santa Barbara last night because we were all

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01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 7: too tired, including our driver. So we got to stay

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01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 7: in Santa Barbara. What a lovely town. Unbelievable, right, well

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01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,320
Speaker 7: you know where it is, Central Coast.

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01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 9: Just disgorgeous, very nice.

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01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:17,680
Speaker 5: I wanted to.

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01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 7: Uh, I forgot to send you the damn pictures. I'll

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01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 7: do that now after.

1539
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 2: I've been waiting for your pictures from the super Bowl.

1540
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 12: Twenty one of them.

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01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, very good. I can't wait to see him.

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Speaker 7: Some of them are probably stupid, but some of them

1543
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 7: are probably Okay, none of them are stupid, but uh,

1544
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:42,719
Speaker 7: I've been thinking about the Reds. I started with listening

1545
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 7: to Tony Show this month and about Hunter Green. Do

1546
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 7: you think, well, we're all hoping. We know the potential

1547
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 7: of the guy Scott. Everybody knows that two week and

1548
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 7: I know nobody can predict the future, but we have

1549
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 7: got to get a healthy year out of this man

1550
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 7: to really appreciate his value to the team. We really do.

1551
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 7: Now do you think all these guys that throw so hard? Now,

1552
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,799
Speaker 7: there's a few I can think of, Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemmons.

1553
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 7: I don't know if they ever had Tommy John. I

1554
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 7: was probably before Tommy John. But a lot of these

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01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 7: guys that are hard throwers so much anymore? You see

1556
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 7: so many guys get hurt that are especially starters. Do

1557
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:40,760
Speaker 7: you think that that if he tried to diversify his

1558
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 7: pitches a little bit more instead of just trying to

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01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 7: throw a hundred. Now I know he throws a slider

1560
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 7: and he throws maybe a change. I don't know if

1561
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 7: it changes any this, but that's what worries me about him.

1562
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 7: Will he ever have a healthy season trying throwing all

1563
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 7: those one hundred plus mile an hour balls. And this

1564
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 7: is what worries me is if we don't get a

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01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 7: really good season out of him, in a long season

1566
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 7: with at least twenty eight starts, we're not gonna win nothing.

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01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 4: Well, I think the general point is a very legitimate one,

1568
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 4: right Like they got nineteen starts out of Hunter Green

1569
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 4: last year, that number needs to be close to thirty.

1570
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 4: And you could say that about a lot of guys

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01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 4: on their staff. I think the good news is they've

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01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:28,679
Speaker 4: got depth that collectively they're gonna be I think, pretty

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01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 4: capable to withstand and injury. But Hunter's their most talented pitcher.

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01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 4: The only thing he hasn't done is gotten through a

1575
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 4: full big league season. I think with Hunter Green, though,

1576
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,600
Speaker 4: if you look at his splits, the one thing that

1577
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 4: I think he has done since really his the end

1578
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 4: of his first season is he's not only developed more pitches,

1579
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,200
Speaker 4: he trusts himself to throw them pretty much at any

1580
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 4: point in the count. He threw his slider last year

1581
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 4: thirty five percent of the time. He threw his glitter

1582
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 4: last year close to eleven percent of the time. He

1583
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 4: relied on his four seam fastball last year, I think

1584
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 4: less than ever. I don't have that collective data in

1585
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 4: front of me, but I think that's why he has

1586
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 4: turned into one of the very best pitchers in the

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01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 4: sport when healthy. It's because he has He's not only

1588
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 4: developed a better array of pitches, he trusts more of

1589
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 4: them at any point in account. So I don't know

1590
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 4: if it's that as much as it's been kind of

1591
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 4: just blind luck with him were for a variety of reasons,

1592
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 4: he hasn't been able to stay healthy. Hopefully that changes

1593
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 4: this year, and for this team it's going to have

1594
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 4: to and for Hunter as well, like he wants to

1595
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 4: be considered one of the absolute elite guys, right, you

1596
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 4: can if you never get through a full big league season. Now,

1597
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 4: by the way, it's worth mentioning last year his injury

1598
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 4: issues were not his arm, they were his Groin twenty

1599
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 4: twenty three, it was his hip. So it's been lower

1600
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 4: body injuries for the most part as a big leaguer

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01:17:58,600 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 4: more than anything.

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01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 7: Above the way, Yeah, but a lot of times when

1603
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 7: I listened to Tony talking to Bob man Jean, he indicates

1604
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 7: the importance of the lower body in the core to

1605
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 7: these pictures, that especially the pictures that throw hard. So

1606
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 7: he had said last year that the guys that throw

1607
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 7: hard can can still develop lower body problems because of

1608
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 7: the mechanics of it, which is way above my head,

1609
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 7: but it made sense at the time. Sure, So let's

1610
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 7: say we got we got Hunter, we got Abbott, who

1611
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 7: I like better than Hunter myself, and I think we'll

1612
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 7: have more longevity and again than Hunter will because of

1613
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 7: his pitching style. And then we have Wadolo, who's typically

1614
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 7: his injury hadn't done anything but blisters typically.

1615
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 2: Right, No, his injury history is more extensive than blisters.

1616
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 7: It is okay, but not scary though debilitating.

1617
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 4: Nothing that nothing that has jeopardized his career. But he

1618
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 4: has a pretty extensive injury history himself.

1619
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 7: So the way, So after those three guys and who

1620
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 7: who I know, but I just can't think of who

1621
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 7: are the other two of the five gonna be there?

1622
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 5: Well?

1623
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 2: Brady Brady Singer right.

1624
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 4: And and then I think if if you were to,

1625
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 4: if you were to place a bet on who the

1626
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 4: most likely guy to get the fist spot is going

1627
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 4: to be, I would I would have to say it

1628
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 4: would be Chase Burns. But you know, I mean, RTT

1629
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 4: Louder is healthy, he's in camp. Brandon Williamson is healthy

1630
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 4: and he's in camp. I don't think Chase Petty is.

1631
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 4: I think some things would have to happen with Chase Petty,

1632
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 4: both in terms of his performance and other guys on

1633
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 4: the staff for him to be in the rotation on

1634
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 4: opening day.

1635
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 7: But I.

1636
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,680
Speaker 4: Would be if I had to bet on any one

1637
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 4: of the other guys that aren't the quote top four

1638
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 4: from the rotation to be the fifth guide, I would

1639
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 4: bet on Chase Burns.

1640
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 7: Okay, now, just one last thing, my macro, you to

1641
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 7: the team. Let's talk about you all things. Year before last,

1642
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 7: I guess it was year before last when we were

1643
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,719
Speaker 7: burning and burning the base pass up with stolen bases,

1644
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,839
Speaker 7: and it made for a very exciting brand of baseball.

1645
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,520
Speaker 7: I think that's what really brought everybody back to the stadium,

1646
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 7: not that they didn't already, you know, but it increased

1647
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 7: the tenant so, but Francona seems steadfast that he doesn't

1648
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 7: want to do that. So do you understand why that is.

1649
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 7: I know they don't hit a lot, but still it seemed.

1650
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 4: To work the year before it worked in twenty twenty three. Yeah,

1651
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 4: I think with with Terry Francona, the philosophy is we're

1652
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 4: going to be a little bit more risk averse. Yes,

1653
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 4: and you know, trust me, I wish they would run more,

1654
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 4: just because I think that brand of baseball is more

1655
01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 4: exciting now. I believe this. If Matt McClain is better,

1656
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 4: he'll run more. He stole eighteen bases in a year

1657
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 4: where he wasn't very good at all of getting on base,

1658
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 4: only got on base, you know, thirty percent of the time.

1659
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 4: If he's on base more, I think he'll be given

1660
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 4: the green light. I think, noelve Marte. You could ask

1661
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 4: him to run a little bit more, but I don't

1662
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 4: think you're gonna see anything getting us back to the

1663
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 4: way things were in twenty twenty three. I think in

1664
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three there were a couple of different things.

1665
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 4: The rules were new, right in terms of pickoff throws,

1666
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:38,600
Speaker 4: the amount of times you could throw over and I

1667
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 4: think the Reds leaned into that. I think teams have

1668
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:44,920
Speaker 4: gotten better at mitigating the stolen base threat in this

1669
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:48,120
Speaker 4: new era of rules, and I just think the philosophy

1670
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 4: now is a little bit more. Hey, let's the ninety

1671
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 4: feet you would get by stealing a base is not

1672
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 4: worth the out you would be given up if a

1673
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 4: guy got thrown out. Now again, I wish they would

1674
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 4: put more pressure on defenses. I wish they would put

1675
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,320
Speaker 4: more pressure on batteries. The stolen based success rate in

1676
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 4: baseball is still overwhelmingly good. That even if if your

1677
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 4: team is average at stealing bases, they're going to be

1678
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 4: successful more often than not. Also, by the way, Ellie

1679
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 4: had a groin issue and so you know, running wasn't

1680
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 4: going to be a huge part of his arsenal in

1681
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 4: the second half of the season. Hopefully that changes this year,

1682
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 4: and if it does, I would be willing to bet

1683
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:26,760
Speaker 4: Ellie stole thirty seven bases last season. I'd be willing

1684
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,839
Speaker 4: to bet if he's healthy that number inches closer to fifty.

1685
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 2: Mike, it's always a pleasure. I look forward to your pictures,

1686
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 2: but I gotta go.

1687
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 7: Thanks, Mal, appreciate you.

1688
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 2: You're very welcome.

1689
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 4: Five point three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty is the

1690
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 4: phone number. It is the one thing that Hunter Green

1691
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 4: hasn't done. The best thing the Reds, though did this offseason. Yes, yes,

1692
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 4: they added relievers. Those are good relievers. Yes, they acquired

1693
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 4: Auhaneo Suarez. Dude hit forty nine bombs last year. But

1694
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 4: the single best thing the Reds did this offseason is

1695
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 4: they didn't break up their star arting staff. They didn't

1696
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,640
Speaker 4: break up their pitching rotation. They got a guy who

1697
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 4: hit home runs without having to sacrifice anything from the area,

1698
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 4: which their best. That is the biggest win of this offseason.

1699
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 4: We'll go to Goodyear next five o'clock Muegger ESPN, fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: it now, he'll do on fifteen thirty.

1704
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 2: They're taking physicals in good Year. They're gonna work out tomorrow.

1705
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 4: Reds are gonna play a game in eleven days against

1706
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 4: the Guardians. Spring training underway, which is awesome. You know,

1707
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 4: there's a conversation that we kind of kind of had

1708
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 4: an allusion to just a few minutes ago that this

1709
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 4: baseball season, if you're a Reds fan, you better hope

1710
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 4: we have. We'll get to that coming up a little

1711
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,560
Speaker 4: bit later on. And can the Bengals pull off what

1712
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 4: the Reds couldn't. I'll make that makes sense a little

1713
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 4: bit later on. We can't make our guy wait. Pat

1714
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,960
Speaker 4: Brennan is in Arizona. He is covering the Reds for

1715
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 4: The Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com, and it's always a

1716
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 4: treat when we get a chance to spend some time

1717
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 4: with him.

1718
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 2: Pat.

1719
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 9: How's it going, Oh, oh, it's great to talk to you.

1720
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 9: Thanks for having me on.

1721
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:19,600
Speaker 4: Awesome to talk to you as well. How is I

1722
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 4: gotta It's a cliche, but you have to do it.

1723
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 4: I have to ask what the weather is like in Goodyear,

1724
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 4: even though it's warmish today here.

1725
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 8: Boy, I did hear that it was a pretty decent

1726
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 8: relatively speaking in Cincinnati, but.

1727
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1728
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 9: I came on.

1729
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 5: I didn't want to.

1730
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:39,479
Speaker 8: Harass you too much on this particular call because it's

1731
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 8: been a while fore than me. But it's beautiful, kind

1732
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 8: of hazy blue skies. We're in the low eighties here.

1733
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 8: It's real nice in the shade and I'm watching the

1734
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 8: grounds crew with the Reds player development complex go to

1735
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:00,799
Speaker 8: work right now, which means we're obviously in a climate

1736
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 8: where grass can grow.

1737
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 9: So I think so, And you're.

1738
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 4: Not correct, I don't even know what grass looks like anymore. Well, yeah,

1739
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 4: I appreciate the opportunity. I asked. I had to know.

1740
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 4: It's not a spring training interview. If you don't ask

1741
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 4: how the weather is, it's it's mandatory, truly, truly, truly,

1742
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 4: it truly is, all right, what has to get sorted

1743
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 4: out with this team over the next few weeks.

1744
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 9: Oh, that's a good one.

1745
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 8: I think we've had two sessions with Terry Francona so far,

1746
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 8: yesterday and today. I thought it was interesting that, uh,

1747
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 8: while while people are talking about what the impact of

1748
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 8: a Uhaneo Suarez could be on players like Ellie Da

1749
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 8: La Cruz and others, Terry Francona said yesterday he's really

1750
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 8: looking at the you know what we perceived to be

1751
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,839
Speaker 8: the two hole in the in the in the batting,

1752
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 8: which was I think he would probably I'm guessing the

1753
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 8: Reds would like that to be occupied by Matt McLean,

1754
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,440
Speaker 8: But his name didn't come up in that conversation yesterday.

1755
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 8: So breaking up TJ. Friedel and Ellie d la Cruz

1756
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 8: in the two hole. There is going to be a

1757
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 8: work in progress, I think throughout this spring training camp.

1758
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 8: So that's one thing, you know, and then you've got

1759
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 8: this incredible wealth of arm talent pitching talent, and I

1760
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 8: think there's a lot to be decided about what you

1761
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 8: do with that.

1762
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 9: There's only five spots in the rotation.

1763
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 8: Obviously, the bullpen is look in my opinion, the bullpen

1764
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 8: is at least as good as last year's was, and

1765
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 8: possibly better.

1766
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 9: So I'm thinking of guys like RTT Louder.

1767
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 8: Chase Burns, and maybe to a lesser extent, Chase Petty,

1768
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 8: where do they wind up to start the year and

1769
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:03,759
Speaker 8: how do they look in camp?

1770
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:08,480
Speaker 9: So it's that's a that's a good problem.

1771
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,919
Speaker 8: To have, but it is going to be a serious

1772
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 8: consideration for these guys over the next six weeks.

1773
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 2: How many roster spots are legitimately.

1774
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 9: Open that's a good question too.

1775
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 8: You know, I've said for a while now, and I

1776
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 8: that this has kind of been calcified for me since

1777
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:29,759
Speaker 8: I've been down here.

1778
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:32,320
Speaker 9: Not a lot, very few.

1779
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 8: It feels less like competition and more of shuffling guys around.

1780
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 8: I you know, Terry did Say has already said platooning

1781
01:27:46,200 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 8: is okay, but you don't want to do it at

1782
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 8: too many positions. I think you know, first base, third base,

1783
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 8: the corner app but both corner outfield spots potentially those

1784
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 8: are areas where you know platooning could be an option,

1785
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 8: and they'll two different degrees look at it in those spots.

1786
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 8: But it again, you have a core group of two

1787
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,520
Speaker 8: or three players in mind for all of those positions.

1788
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 8: And yeah, I mean it's it's just a lot of

1789
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,880
Speaker 8: these spots are going to be spoken for, including the

1790
01:28:22,920 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 8: pecking order for any platoon situations. So I think there

1791
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 8: there's there's some uh, there are some possibilities there, particularly

1792
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 8: if you're a left handed bat like but but even there,

1793
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 8: I feel like Will Benson's got a leg up so.

1794
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 9: On on filling that role for this team.

1795
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 8: So yeah, and you know, someone pointed out today, actually

1796
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 8: it's funny you ask, because in the Reds clubhouse here

1797
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 8: in Goodyear, there are there aren't a ton of empty

1798
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,839
Speaker 8: locker room stalls, but there are a lot more empty

1799
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 8: for this, you know, being this being the early stage.

1800
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, in camp that it is compared to last year.

1801
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:11,360
Speaker 8: And I think that just tells you that Terry Frankconer

1802
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 8: knows what he has, he knows what he's working with,

1803
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 8: and he knows what he wants. And back to what

1804
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 8: I already said, I uh, probably not a ton of

1805
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 8: open spots to compete for on this roster, which I

1806
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 8: think is a net positive for this Reds team.

1807
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 2: I would agree.

1808
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 4: I guess this is this is how I view it,

1809
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 4: and you're more informed than me, but I go, boy,

1810
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,479
Speaker 4: there's there hasn't been like the run of like minor

1811
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,599
Speaker 4: league camp invitees, you know, or minor league contracts who

1812
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:42,760
Speaker 4: get invited to big league camp.

1813
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 2: There's always like those dudes. Not a lot of those.

1814
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 4: Not a lot of like positions where you're like, you

1815
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 4: know what, there's a legitimate competition to be the starter.

1816
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,679
Speaker 4: Maybe there's you know, platoons that are going to play out.

1817
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 4: It even feels like in the bullpen, like you kind

1818
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 4: of have a good sense of who's going to fill

1819
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 4: out what role and and maybe the competition for the

1820
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 4: fifth starter is going to impact that. It just it

1821
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 4: feels like there's more set than usual. But I feel

1822
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,400
Speaker 4: like if a team has that much set, I should

1823
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 4: feel better about its chances to win the division.

1824
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 9: Definitely, yes, you should.

1825
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 8: And if you don't, that would indicate that maybe, you know,

1826
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,759
Speaker 8: they have a false sense of security about the guys

1827
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 8: they have in mind for these things.

1828
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:28,440
Speaker 9: That's possible too, right, Like you can.

1829
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 8: You know, you can want to hug and hold on

1830
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 8: to guys like Matt McClain and others. But maybe maybe

1831
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 8: that isn't the right answer for some of these spots.

1832
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 8: But I'll tell you what, I do think they feel

1833
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 8: good about. Going back to what I said, I do

1834
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 8: think the lack of competition is reflective of a net

1835
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 8: positive for the Reds. They feel good about the guys

1836
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:57,799
Speaker 8: they have. There are gonna be plenty of interesting things

1837
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,080
Speaker 8: that work themselves out over the next six weeks. I

1838
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 8: mentioned Matt McClean, I think he's at the top of

1839
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 8: that list for me personally, where you end up, what

1840
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,599
Speaker 8: you end up doing with South Stewart on a regular

1841
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 8: basis is part of that as well. But yeah, I

1842
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:16,679
Speaker 8: think I think the lack of competition really does speak

1843
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 8: to the fact that the Reds feel good about their

1844
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 8: chances in this division and certainly in the wild card race.

1845
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 8: And I feel good about their chances in those races too.

1846
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 4: You mentioned Sal Stewart, and I know Tito hasn't wanted

1847
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,720
Speaker 4: to commit to Sal having a job locked down, right,

1848
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 4: He's going to make him earn it, which is great.

1849
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:40,799
Speaker 4: It's hard for me to imagine that in the absence

1850
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 4: of him, like forgetting to bring a bat to the plate,

1851
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 4: that he's going to do anything this spring to not

1852
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 4: earn a gig. But I do think it's fascinating to

1853
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 4: think about where the playing time for him may end up.

1854
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 4: And so your best guess, and I know I've made

1855
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 4: this about what's going to happen a good year, but

1856
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 4: assuming he makes the club, where's your best guess as

1857
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 4: to where the bulk of the playing time for Sal

1858
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 4: is gonna come from?

1859
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 2: And then what's the ripple effect of that?

1860
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, let me say first that I feel like

1861
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 8: the addition of a Euhanio Suarez takes some of the heat.

1862
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 8: I felt like whatever the Reds were gonna be before

1863
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 8: they signed Suarez, and I didn't I didn't think they

1864
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 8: were going to be terrible, but I didn't think they

1865
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:24,759
Speaker 8: were going to be much before that signing South Stewart

1866
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 8: figured in to be a big piece of the puzzle

1867
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 8: of whatever that was going to be. I like that

1868
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 8: the burden of expectation is not as much on South Stuart.

1869
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 9: Now.

1870
01:32:37,720 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 8: You know, if if by some chance he had to

1871
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 8: start the year in Triple A just because they don't

1872
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,479
Speaker 8: have the bats for him at the big league level,

1873
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,600
Speaker 8: that's okay too. I kind of like that. I just

1874
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 8: don't you know. Yeah, the what he did in September

1875
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 8: and in two lopsided wildcard games against the Dodgers last fall,

1876
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 8: that was really impressive. But let's not forget how young

1877
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 8: this guy was. He was playing in the Futures Game

1878
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 8: in Atlanta at the All Star break last year. He

1879
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,639
Speaker 8: has five weeks of big league experience, and I would

1880
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 8: imagine that the NL Central has done some amount of

1881
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 8: study on this guy because he was as effective as

1882
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 8: he was. So, you know, the burden on Sal isn't

1883
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 8: as great. I like that for him. I feel like, look,

1884
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,679
Speaker 8: I mean, he played. I went back and watched rewatch

1885
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 8: that wild Card series against the Dodgers, actually, and I

1886
01:33:32,160 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 8: liked him at first base, even though that was kind

1887
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 8: of the spot where he had the least experience.

1888
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,679
Speaker 9: I think he could end up being there. The glove

1889
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 9: is good, the athleticism is good.

1890
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 8: Everything people are saying about how his body has changed

1891
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 8: in the offseason, they're absolutely right. I think people started

1892
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 8: to talk about that at Redsfest, and I think it

1893
01:33:54,479 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 8: looked I think I think he has improved since then.

1894
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 8: I think he's lost more weight since then. He certainly

1895
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:06,759
Speaker 8: looked like it today. So I could see Sal playing

1896
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 8: getting time at either of the corner infield positions. But

1897
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 8: I'm not as worried about that eventuality as I might

1898
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 8: have been ten days ago, because again, you've got a

1899
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 8: bunch of really capable gloves and players. You know, you've

1900
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:33,320
Speaker 8: got a Gold Glove glove at third base, you have

1901
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,040
Speaker 8: a worthy Gold Glove finalist.

1902
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 9: At first base.

1903
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:39,720
Speaker 8: And if Sal just has to pick and choose his

1904
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,479
Speaker 8: spots and be ready to come off the bench later

1905
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 8: in games into mid you know, late April, mid May,

1906
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 8: that's okay. I think that's a possibility, and I think

1907
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 8: we should get comfortable with all the different permutations that

1908
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 8: could result from this situation.

1909
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 4: On Saturday, I was watching the Phoenix take on the

1910
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 4: seventy six Ers in Phoenix, and there was a guy

1911
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,799
Speaker 4: behind the Sixers bench wearing an Eric snow jersey jumping

1912
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 4: up and down as the seventy six Ers polished off

1913
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 4: the Suns.

1914
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:12,519
Speaker 9: Was that you, yeah, yeah, so you saw me? Yeah,

1915
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 9: saw me at the Sun's game. Yeah, yeah, that was me.

1916
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 9: That was me.

1917
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I wasn't.

1918
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 8: I I had I had had a few beverages and

1919
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,640
Speaker 8: in response to what the Sixers had done or not

1920
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 8: done at the trade deadline, and I just.

1921
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 9: Had to blow off some steam at the at the

1922
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 9: Sun the Sixers game.

1923
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 4: I understand, Well, they they play, they played the Knicks tomorrow,

1924
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 4: so that'll you know, I mean, I I that'll be fun,

1925
01:35:40,160 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 4: MAXI versus No. The last game was the last time

1926
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 4: they played.

1927
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:44,280
Speaker 2: It was fun.

1928
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 4: But I just you haven't come on in a while,

1929
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 4: and I haven't had a chance to give a Sixers dig.

1930
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:51,080
Speaker 4: But they're actually better than a lot of people expected.

1931
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:53,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, which is which is okay.

1932
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 8: I just wish that, you know, they with the with

1933
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 8: what they have, it felt like it was really time

1934
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 8: to go mo Yeah, and they didn't go at the

1935
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:05,680
Speaker 8: trade deadline. In fact, I think they've backpedaled a little bit,

1936
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 8: so well, well, you know, but that's that's what you

1937
01:36:08,479 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 8: get with the franchise. That's been you know, criminally mismanaged

1938
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,640
Speaker 8: for most it's not all my lifetime.

1939
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, hey, look you know what it is.

1940
01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, if, if, if, if you want

1941
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 4: to see a team that often underwhelms at the trade deadline,

1942
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 4: well then uh be where you are with the team

1943
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 4: that you're covering right now and in late July. And

1944
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 4: that's that's typically part of the course. But that's that's

1945
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 4: a different story, and we'll bother you then yes, please

1946
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 4: do yes, Uh, you're the best. Awesome to hear your voice.

1947
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 4: Enjoy goodyear, Thank you as always.

1948
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 9: Thanks buddy. Great to hear from you.

1949
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 2: That's our man.

1950
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 4: Pat Brennan covering Red spring training for The Inquirer and

1951
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 4: Cincinnati dot Com. Follow him at p Brennan, E and H.

1952
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:54,120
Speaker 4: I don't know for a fact that he was wearing

1953
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 4: an Eric snow jersey at the Sixers Sons game. I

1954
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 4: just I knew they played there and that's his team.

1955
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,679
Speaker 4: Twenty minute, it's after five o'clock, five point three seven

1956
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 4: four nine fifteen thirty and eight sixty six seven two

1957
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 4: three seven seven six. I am begging for us to

1958
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,120
Speaker 4: spend this summer having this one debate. I'll tell you

1959
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 4: what it is next? Let's catchy, isn't it? Uhart ready you?

1960
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 4: I'm a good singer?

1961
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:17,320
Speaker 5: An A.

1962
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:24,720
Speaker 4: Twenty six after five? This is ESPN fifteen thirty. Now

1963
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,320
Speaker 4: on the the Reds. The greatest asset this team has

1964
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 4: is still as starting pitching. I want the Reds starting

1965
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 4: staff to be like a boy band. You ever listen

1966
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,680
Speaker 4: to somebody ever listened to a and it's usually a

1967
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 4: pack of young girls. A pack of young girls debate

1968
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 4: their favorite boy band members. Right. A boy band usually

1969
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:43,439
Speaker 4: has well like four dudes in it, maybe five dudes

1970
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:45,640
Speaker 4: in it, and they each have their favorite and they

1971
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:48,360
Speaker 4: make arguments for each one. I want the red starting

1972
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 4: staff to be that way. We were talking earlier about

1973
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,799
Speaker 4: Hunter Green. Hunter Green's got to get through a season healthy,

1974
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,759
Speaker 4: like that's the one thing that he hasn't accomplished. Andrew

1975
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 4: Abbott was an All Star last year. Who doesn't love

1976
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 4: Andrew Abbott? Argument can be made He's the staff Ace. Now,

1977
01:38:02,479 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 4: staff Ace is not like an official title. You don't

1978
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,240
Speaker 4: get a name tag that says staff Ace. You don't

1979
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:12,000
Speaker 4: get a belt for it. It's it's a moniker, but

1980
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:17,000
Speaker 4: it's an unofficial one. The sincere wish for this season

1981
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,840
Speaker 4: is that we have that debate all year long, and

1982
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 4: if we are, it means the Reds are really frickin' good.

1983
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 4: That should be the fun part of this. This season

1984
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 4: will have gone wrong if it's easy to identify who

1985
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:38,799
Speaker 4: the staff ace is like that means this has gone poorly.

1986
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 4: It means that, well, somebody's got to be it might

1987
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:45,080
Speaker 4: as well be this dude, or well, there's a really

1988
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 4: good pitcher in the starting staff, and then everybody else

1989
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 4: is hurt or underperforming. Among all the different discussions and

1990
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:57,720
Speaker 4: debates that we could have this baseball season up to

1991
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 4: and including debating lineup construction and how Terry Francona handles

1992
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,320
Speaker 4: the bullpen and what they should or shouldn't do at

1993
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 4: the trade deadline, which I can promise you is gonna

1994
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:12,400
Speaker 4: be something we discussed starting right about May first. At

1995
01:39:12,439 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 4: the top of it is I hope by like the

1996
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 4: middle of June, we're doing a who's the staff ace?

1997
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 4: Not that it really is gonna matter, but that means

1998
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 4: that Andrew Abbott is even better than last season. It

1999
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 4: means Hunter Green is as good as he has ever

2000
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 4: been and maybe even better.

2001
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:30,920
Speaker 2: And he's healthy.

2002
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:35,679
Speaker 4: Means Nickolodolo has performed his way into the discussion. Maybe

2003
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 4: even a guy like Chase Burns even better than that, Like,

2004
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 4: wouldn't it be cool if we get to September and

2005
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 4: we're actively debating who should pitch Game one, Like actively

2006
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 4: arguing over how they should set up the postseason rotation,

2007
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 4: who should be kicked to the bullpen, who should maybe

2008
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:06,680
Speaker 4: be passed over? The strength of this team is the

2009
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:09,599
Speaker 4: starting pitching. Now, that was true for an eighty three

2010
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 4: win team last year. Clearly they've got to be better offensively.

2011
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 4: Clearly they could use what Euhaneosualrez has been brought here

2012
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:21,479
Speaker 4: to give them, which is more pop. But if this

2013
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 4: team is going to exceed expectations, I think we all

2014
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 4: expect them to be in the playoff race at the

2015
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:31,479
Speaker 4: bare minimum. I think it's reasonable to expect that they're

2016
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:34,760
Speaker 4: a wildcard team. It's never been easier. I think it's

2017
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 4: fair to I think it's fair to think that they

2018
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 4: can hang in the division race if they win it,

2019
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 4: which means they probably exceed ninety victories. I don't think

2020
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 4: it's going to take ninety seven. Don't think it's I

2021
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 4: think it's gonna require more than eighty seven, it means

2022
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 4: this starting staff is legitimately like laying a claim to

2023
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:59,080
Speaker 4: best in the sport, best in the National League. Like

2024
01:40:59,120 --> 01:41:02,560
Speaker 4: that's how it happens. Yes, the offense is going to

2025
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,200
Speaker 4: be better, Yes they hit more home runs. Yes, the

2026
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 4: dudes they acquired in the bullpen payoff. But if this

2027
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 4: team legitimately legitimately challenges for a division championship, starting staff

2028
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 4: is stayed healthy and we got a healthy competition for

2029
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:22,040
Speaker 4: staff ace, we got multiple All Stars coming out of

2030
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 4: that starting staff. Because let's be honest, even if the

2031
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:27,759
Speaker 4: offense is better, it's not going to be a league

2032
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:32,080
Speaker 4: best offense. The ceiling is still low. They may play

2033
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 4: a little bit differently. Euhaneu suarez presence in the lineup

2034
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 4: may open things up. Elie de la Cruz's legs may

2035
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:42,200
Speaker 4: be healthy. Tito Francona may tell him. Yes, Matt McClain

2036
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 4: may end up being much much better than he was

2037
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:45,639
Speaker 4: last year.

2038
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 2: Noel F.

2039
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 4: Martine might give him a really good full season. Like

2040
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 4: there's lots of stuff that can happen, But understanding what

2041
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 4: you understand about the construction of the team and just

2042
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 4: the overall build of the roster, like let's be honest,

2043
01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:02,120
Speaker 4: they're gonna get below league average production from third base.

2044
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 4: I'm gonna guess below league average production from left field,

2045
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 4: probably league average ish production from catcher. You know there's

2046
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:13,479
Speaker 4: a league average ish production from center field. Where could

2047
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 4: they be? Elite starting staff? Starting staff? So the idea here,

2048
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 4: maybe Chase Burns enters the discussion, we do this all

2049
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 4: summer long. So and so is the ace? No, so

2050
01:42:26,439 --> 01:42:28,519
Speaker 4: and so is the ace. It's like listening to teenage

2051
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:30,960
Speaker 4: girls talk about which boy band member is cuter.

2052
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 2: Well, this guy's cuter.

2053
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 4: No, this guy is like, let's do it all year,

2054
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:39,880
Speaker 4: because then this team's got a legitimate chance. The off

2055
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 4: season focus has been on the offense, but the backbone

2056
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 4: of this team is still starting pitching very enviable place.

2057
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:52,599
Speaker 4: Now the track records aren't extraordinarily limited, or are extraordinarily limited,

2058
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 4: I should say, And uh, you know all those guys

2059
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 4: have had health problems like that's you can't get around that.

2060
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 4: And somebody at some point this year is probably gonna

2061
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:04,120
Speaker 4: get injured, maybe have to miss some starts, per have

2062
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 4: to go in the perhaps have to go on the

2063
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 4: injured list. And it does feel like they've got some depth.

2064
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:12,639
Speaker 4: But if they're winning ninety to ninety five and that

2065
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 4: that may sound far fetched, but it only happens if

2066
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:21,439
Speaker 4: the starting staff takes a major leap. What is more

2067
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,320
Speaker 4: likely to happen the Reds offensively take a huge leap

2068
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 4: or the red starting staff. I'll go at the starting now.

2069
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 4: It'd be great if both things could happen. But that's

2070
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 4: the sincere hope should be that in the middle of June,

2071
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:38,200
Speaker 4: when there's not a ton going on, you can mention

2072
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 4: Andrew Abbott as staff Ace and somebody else will say, uh, oh,

2073
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 4: it's Hunter Green, or somebody else will say, well, wait

2074
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 4: a minute, don't forget about Nicolodola. Somebody may go Okay,

2075
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 4: maybe it's not Chase burns Now, but it will be

2076
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 4: soon and that can happen. Like that's realistic. It might

2077
01:43:56,840 --> 01:44:01,719
Speaker 4: not be likely, but that's realistic. Twenty eight away from

2078
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:05,720
Speaker 4: six o'clock five, one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteenth, third,

2079
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 4: we had Paul Danner Junior on the show in the

2080
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:10,280
Speaker 4: first hour who outlined his ten step plan for the

2081
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:12,760
Speaker 4: Bengals to get back to the Super Bowl. I want

2082
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 4: to see if if they can pull off what the

2083
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 4: Reds could, I will explain after sports headlines on ESPN fifteen.

2084
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Speaker 6: Like ESPN fifteenth thirty, Cincinnati Sports sports.

2095
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:05,360
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2096
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:09,519
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2098
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 4: wins his arbitration case against the Reds. Congratulations to Thailand.

2099
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 4: It's not a Reds thing. I just I root for

2100
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 4: the players. Six point eight mil for Tyler, who's due

2101
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 4: to be a free agent at the end of the

2102
01:45:25,960 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six season.

2103
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 2: Says he's open to a contract extension.

2104
01:45:29,479 --> 01:45:33,720
Speaker 4: However, Red's player is going through a physicals today and

2105
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:36,800
Speaker 4: they'll workout tomorrow in goodyear. The first Cactus League game

2106
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:41,559
Speaker 4: is going to be on February the twenty first. That

2107
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:46,120
Speaker 4: is It's all I got for local sports headlines. I

2108
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:51,000
Speaker 4: had something else, Oh, FC Cincinnati. FC Cincinnati beat Brooklyn

2109
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 4: FC two zip in the second to last pregame pre

2110
01:45:55,320 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 4: game preseason match of twenty twenty six. FC Cincinnatady will

2111
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:04,520
Speaker 4: wind down the preseason s late tomorrow against Orlando City.

2112
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:09,040
Speaker 2: SC in Tampa. There you go, Uh, what do we have?

2113
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:09,479
Speaker 8: They have?

2114
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:13,680
Speaker 4: They're in They're in the Dominican Republic FC Cincinnati for

2115
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:17,640
Speaker 4: the CONCA CALF champions Cup. Last year they started the

2116
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 4: season in the CONCA CAFF Champions Cup in Nicaragua. And

2117
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:25,400
Speaker 4: I on this show asked Pat Noonan, the coach of

2118
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 4: FC Cincinnati, if he'll bring me back some cigars, and

2119
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,800
Speaker 4: he did, which was really nice. Do you think we

2120
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 4: could get him on the show from the Dominican Republic

2121
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:36,519
Speaker 4: And would it be okay if I begged him for

2122
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:39,320
Speaker 4: more cigars? I bet you Pat would really like OTR

2123
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:46,200
Speaker 4: premium cigars. Of course, who wouldn't twenty away from six o'clock.

2124
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 4: We have folks waiting. We have folks waiting who actually

2125
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:52,840
Speaker 4: want to talk to me. Unbelievable. Uh, Greg, Greg? Whoops, Greg,

2126
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,559
Speaker 4: You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. Good afternoon, Greg, how are you.

2127
01:46:58,680 --> 01:46:58,960
Speaker 2: Camp?

2128
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:02,880
Speaker 5: I always liked that, identifying myself as the mate about

2129
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 5: fifteen years ago with my daughter and her ex if

2130
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 5: one of your opening day deals over the river. So anyway,

2131
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:14,400
Speaker 5: whatever happened to the X, uh, he's long gone.

2132
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:15,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably for the best.

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01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 5: There you go. But you know, I just want to

2134
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:25,559
Speaker 5: tell you I really I don't call him. I only

2135
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 5: call in once in a while. But I really enjoyed

2136
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:29,200
Speaker 5: listening to you.

2137
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 2: So anyway, you.

2138
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:34,680
Speaker 5: Know, and I've been around for all of those, like

2139
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:39,200
Speaker 5: the Frank Robinson trade. My you know what, for two

2140
01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 5: years we were looking for a bat and we wind

2141
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 5: up with Key Bryant. Now, seriously, I'm told telling you

2142
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 5: this too. The guy can't hit, he doesn't have any power,

2143
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:57,440
Speaker 5: but he's a gold gold glove fielder. Blah blah blah.

2144
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:01,680
Speaker 5: And now here's here's a why would In fact, when

2145
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 5: I saw the parates just signed as sooner? You know,

2146
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 5: for some power. We're stuck with this guy. But that

2147
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,200
Speaker 5: literally was just a Pittsburgh dump on us. We owe

2148
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:14,320
Speaker 5: that guy thirty million dollars for the next four years.

2149
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 5: So I guess, I guess that what we do have

2150
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:23,839
Speaker 5: we got a solid an nine hole hitter that can field.

2151
01:48:24,479 --> 01:48:27,519
Speaker 5: And I guess when I think about who else could

2152
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:31,320
Speaker 5: be playing, you know, maybe Sal Stewart, whatever, I just

2153
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:36,240
Speaker 5: think it's really an awful, awful trade and just you know,

2154
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:39,400
Speaker 5: I just felt like vent And then besides that, the

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Speaker 5: guy's got a chronic bad back. In fact, I heard

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01:48:43,120 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 5: I heard Tito the Great last year say one time, well,

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Speaker 5: we're gonna give him off. We're gonna give t Bryan

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Speaker 5: off on Sunday. We have an off day Monday, so

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Speaker 5: that'll that'll give him a chance to you know, rest

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Speaker 5: his back. And I thought, you know, I get so

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01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:01,680
Speaker 5: pissed off when I hear that stuff like that. I

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01:49:01,720 --> 01:49:03,960
Speaker 5: can't cease stright. So anyway, I just.

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Speaker 2: Thought you today, Yeah, No, I'm glad you did. I

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01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:08,479
Speaker 2: don't mind.

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Speaker 4: Look when they give Key Brian Hayes a day off,

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01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:12,760
Speaker 4: the good news is they'll have somebody who can hit more.

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01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:14,840
Speaker 4: So you know, maybe you should root for more Key

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Speaker 4: Brian Hayes days off like acknowledge what he is, which

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01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 4: is good, which he's a terrific defensive player, and that

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Speaker 4: that's not it. It's not insignificant, right. I think it

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01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:26,800
Speaker 4: is completely reasonable to wonder two things. A in the

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01:49:26,840 --> 01:49:29,559
Speaker 4: short term, can you win a division when you have

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01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:34,240
Speaker 4: an offensive zero manning a corner infield spot, especially when

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Speaker 4: it looks like at least one of your corner outfield

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01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:40,599
Speaker 4: spots isn't going to be a plus offensively in left field. Now,

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Speaker 4: one might argue, well, they'll make up for it, because

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Speaker 4: you know, euhaneos Warez will DH and hit a bunch

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Speaker 4: of home runs, and I think that'll happen. He's also

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Speaker 4: a one dimensional player offensively, So you have a one

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01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:54,720
Speaker 4: dimensional guy that you acquired to be a DH. You

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01:49:54,760 --> 01:49:57,960
Speaker 4: have a zero dimension offensive guy at third base, and

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Speaker 4: you're going to be less than league average left field,

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01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 4: and you you kind of understand that to start the season.

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Speaker 4: Is that the formula is that the recipe for an

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Speaker 4: offense that helps you win ninety to ninety five games?

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Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like the answer is yes. And then

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Speaker 4: the other one is something you alluded to, like Key

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Speaker 4: Brian Hayes will be here for the rest of the decade.

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Speaker 4: So he'll turn twenty nine this year.

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Speaker 2: If he hasn't already. In fact, I think he already has.

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Speaker 12: I know he has.

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Speaker 4: It was just it was just last week or two

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Speaker 4: weeks ago. So he's So you're gonna have this dude

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01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:31,639
Speaker 4: on your team who's an offensive zero when he's thirty

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01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:33,880
Speaker 4: two to thirty three years old, and then you will

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01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 4: very fairly wonder like, typically when players get older, what

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01:50:37,479 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 4: do they do? They dh because they're no longer useful

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Speaker 4: in the field. Now, it's not like he's going to be,

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Speaker 4: you know, forty one, But as he gets older, how

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01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 4: much more are you going to be able to say,

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Speaker 4: you know what, we have a great defensive third baseman

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Speaker 4: and we can keep keep him in the order every

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01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:55,320
Speaker 4: day even though he doesn't hit.

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Speaker 5: Well. That's why I call today because I'm wanted to

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Speaker 5: hear what you had to say.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I don't think there's any objection to him

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Speaker 4: being on the team, but you're really going to start

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01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 4: a guy who, by your own admission, can't hit at

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Speaker 4: a corner infield spot for one hundred and fifty games.

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Speaker 4: I guess the answer could be yes if you were

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01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 4: set everywhere else, But like, who knows what the second

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01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:21,080
Speaker 4: base production is going to be. Who knows what the

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01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:23,439
Speaker 4: left field production is going to be? To a degree,

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01:51:23,439 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 4: who knows what the catching production is going to be.

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01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 4: Who knows what the right field production is going to be.

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01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:30,280
Speaker 4: Like if you had a team where it was easier

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01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:32,080
Speaker 4: to wrap your brain around who was going to do

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01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:35,360
Speaker 4: what offensively? Fine, stick a guy at third base who's

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01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:37,280
Speaker 4: not going to hit. I don't know that this team

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01:51:37,400 --> 01:51:39,600
Speaker 4: right now has that luxury. Maybe by the middle of

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01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 4: the season we'll think they do, but I don't know

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01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 4: that we could say they do right now. And then

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01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:46,360
Speaker 4: if you go back to last year and they did

2224
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 4: get to the postseason. But it was remarkable that during

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01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:51,679
Speaker 4: a summer when we spend all this time talking about

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01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:53,880
Speaker 4: what they're going to do to upgrade the offense, the

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Speaker 4: first move they make is for a guy who can't hit.

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Speaker 5: What they said, well, if we can get him inn

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01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 5: we have the guys who worked with him to improve

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01:52:02,479 --> 01:52:02,920
Speaker 5: his hitting.

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Speaker 2: Really really yeah, he's twenty nine years old.

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Speaker 4: I mean he's you know, he's he's been in the

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01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 4: big leagues since you know, twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: He has established what he is.

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Speaker 5: He's what he is exactly. And one other thing I'll

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01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:18,479
Speaker 5: let you go. You know, we had Scott Rowland here,

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01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 5: one of the best feeling third basemans ever, and in

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01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 5: his own words, he would have liked to have stick

2239
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:28,559
Speaker 5: and stuck around of maybe a couple more years, but

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Speaker 5: he couldn't because of his back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I Doug, Greg, thank you, Mary, it's the

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01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 4: phone call. Even I got your name wrong. Thanks so much.

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01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:40,760
Speaker 4: I you can't help. But wonder you're gonna put a

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01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,439
Speaker 4: guy at third base one hundred and forty, one hundred

2245
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:46,679
Speaker 4: and fifty times this year, who's one of the worst

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01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:48,080
Speaker 4: offensive players in baseball?

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Speaker 2: Like that's look at the.

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Speaker 4: Numbers, so yeah, man, Like he's awesome with the glove,

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Speaker 4: but at third base. At third base on a team

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Speaker 4: where look, Ellie may be better, Suarez may hit a

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Speaker 4: bunch of home runs, Matt McClain may be better. Sal

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01:53:07,680 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 4: Stewart may shoehorn himself into a spot where you're like,

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01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:12,840
Speaker 4: you know what, we can't take him out of the

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01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 4: lineup every single day. But for a team that still

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01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 4: has so many things that are unsettled offensively, can you

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01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:26,000
Speaker 4: really afford to have a guy who simply cannot hit

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01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 4: at an average Big league level getting four at bad

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01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:35,840
Speaker 4: tonight thirteen away from six o'clock five point three, seven

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01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:39,200
Speaker 4: four nine, fifteen thirty. A couple things on the Bengals

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Speaker 4: that we'll get to and one of them will tie

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Speaker 4: the Reds into next on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 4: The NHL takes an Olympic break, which came out like

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01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:25,760
Speaker 4: the worst possible time for the Blue Jackets because they

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01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:28,320
Speaker 4: were the hottest team in the league right now. Watching

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Speaker 4: Louge women's singles run three, there's a woman from Germany

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01:54:33,200 --> 01:54:37,240
Speaker 4: flying down the course. This looks amazingly fun and amazingly

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01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:41,600
Speaker 4: terrifying at exactly the same time. Where, besides, like Lake Placid,

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01:54:41,640 --> 01:54:43,320
Speaker 4: New York, can I go try a log?

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01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:44,840
Speaker 2: Where can I go on a lose run?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:48,040
Speaker 2: No? Perfect North?

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01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:51,160
Speaker 4: Perfect North has tubing and skiing and snowboarding. I do

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01:54:51,160 --> 01:54:53,040
Speaker 4: not believe they have a lose course. It's been a

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01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 4: few years since I've been to Perfect North, but I

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01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:58,200
Speaker 4: don't believe they have. I mean, I guess you don't

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01:54:58,240 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 4: need a course if all you need is a lose

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01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 4: I don't know that they rent those at Perfect North.

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01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 4: I don't know that you can go to a local

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01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 4: sporting goods store and buy a luge. But what would

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01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:10,040
Speaker 4: prevent one from just taking their lousee too Perfect North

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Speaker 4: and going down a hill?

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01:55:12,040 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 2: Would you do that? I think I would. It looks fun.

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01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 2: Now I know what to give you a Christmas this year?

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01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:19,560
Speaker 4: And give me a luge? I gotta think of lose.

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01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:26,919
Speaker 4: Probably not cheap, not cheap at all. I have skied,

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Speaker 4: I believe three times in my life. Each time was

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01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 4: at Perfect North. The most recent time was like two

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01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 4: thousand and eleven, and I the first time I skied

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01:55:43,080 --> 01:55:44,720
Speaker 4: was like two thousand and nine. So this is not

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01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:47,240
Speaker 4: something I did growing up, and I enjoyed it immensely.

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01:55:48,240 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 4: But I was really good at going down the hill.

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Speaker 4: I was atrocious at stopping, so when I came to

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Speaker 4: a stop, I would just throw myself into the ground

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01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:59,360
Speaker 4: and roll to a stop. And the last time I

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Speaker 4: went skiing Perfect North, I was reprimanded for skiing unsafely

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Speaker 4: because when I would get to the bottom of the hill,

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01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:11,720
Speaker 4: I couldn't get my momentum to stop, and so I

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01:56:11,720 --> 01:56:14,400
Speaker 4: would just heave myself into the ground, and they apparently

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01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 4: found that to be a little bit of a safety hazard.

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Speaker 4: So I haven't I do. I haven't taken my daughter

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01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 4: tubing yet, and I don't know that she knows that

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01:56:23,800 --> 01:56:27,160
Speaker 4: that exists. And we've had so much snow that it's like,

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01:56:27,480 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 4: you know, go sledding anywhere. But I do want to

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01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:32,520
Speaker 4: go tubing at Perfect North, and I'll see if they'll

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01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 4: let me bring a looge at some point, and I

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01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:38,240
Speaker 4: can do. Right now, we have MM Frable from Germany

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01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:41,839
Speaker 4: who is in the middle of run three luge women's

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01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:43,200
Speaker 4: singles in Italy.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 4: I did not get a chance to get to this

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01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:51,200
Speaker 4: Paul Danner Junior was on the show with us earlier.

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01:56:51,240 --> 01:56:53,680
Speaker 4: We'll have that podcast on the iHeartRadio app. He has

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01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:57,800
Speaker 4: a good ten step path to the Bengals getting back

2324
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:00,400
Speaker 4: to the super Bowl, and the first it him on

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01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:02,960
Speaker 4: his list is make a real run at the Big Swing,

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01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:07,600
Speaker 4: and he writes about Max Crosby, who the Raiders may

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01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:09,960
Speaker 4: or may not trade, and Jeffrey Simmons, who the Titans

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01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:12,320
Speaker 4: may or may not trade, a guy that Higgins and

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01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:15,200
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase have been vocal about wanting to see come

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Speaker 4: to Cincinnati. What it would cost I don't know, But

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01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:22,680
Speaker 4: Paul writes about, you know, moving the tenth overall pick

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01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:23,880
Speaker 4: for one of those two guys.

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Speaker 2: Count me in.

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01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,000
Speaker 4: Count me in because I want to win, Like this

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01:57:29,080 --> 01:57:32,200
Speaker 4: offseason is of utmost importance. If the Bengals win the

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01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:35,080
Speaker 4: Super Bowl while Joe Burrow is the quarterback, this offseason

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01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:37,839
Speaker 4: is going to be a major reason why. Let's be honest,

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01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:41,080
Speaker 4: as far fetched as this may seem, I feel like

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01:57:41,120 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 4: they're closer to winning in twenty twenty six than they

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01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:46,640
Speaker 4: would be in twenty twenty eight. By the way, I

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01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:48,240
Speaker 4: don't even know if we want to get to twenty

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01:57:48,280 --> 01:57:51,080
Speaker 4: twenty eight without them winning a championship, because who knows

2343
01:57:51,080 --> 01:57:54,560
Speaker 4: where the quarterbacks head is going to be. Then this

2344
01:57:54,640 --> 01:57:57,280
Speaker 4: offseason for the Reds, it was simple, right, why not

2345
01:57:57,360 --> 01:58:01,240
Speaker 4: go get Kyle Schwerber they need home run He's the

2346
01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:03,400
Speaker 4: best guy available when it comes to hitting home runs.

2347
01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 2: Now, ultimately they couldn't get him.

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01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:09,640
Speaker 4: Hey, u Adeosuarez is a really nice consolation prize, but

2349
01:58:09,720 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 4: if you need a pass rush, why screw around and

2350
01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:17,280
Speaker 4: go get someone who's not the best. Max Crosby and

2351
01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:20,160
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Simmons are among the best, And yes it would

2352
01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:22,600
Speaker 4: cost a lot, but if you really truly want to

2353
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:27,120
Speaker 4: be like the La Rams, what slogan are we adopting?

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01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:33,040
Speaker 2: Ready FM picks We have to go.

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01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:36,040
Speaker 4: Anything you might have missed go find on the iHeartRadio

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01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:38,040
Speaker 4: app tomorrow and the show Rick Boring on Xavier an

2357
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:42,280
Speaker 4: MKU basketball, my conversation with UC defensive coordinator Nate Woodie,

2358
01:58:42,360 --> 01:58:45,400
Speaker 4: and so much more. Have an awesome night, Thank you

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01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:49,440
Speaker 4: for listening. Thanks to Tarren Bland for producing. Don't forget

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Speaker 4: Tony Pikes. Since E three point sixty is at noon

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Speaker 4: and we are back tomorrow at three to five, have

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Speaker 4: a great night. This is the official home of the

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01:58:58,600 --> 01:59:03,760
Speaker 4: Bengals and seasons. Natti, ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports station.

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Speaker 12: These days