WEBVTT - 10-22-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.800 I don't want to be an American. 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:05.920 Scott flown back on seven hundred pretty well would just 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:08.920 jump right back into it. Man over the fence, over 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.120 the wall, as they say. City council members are pretty 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:16.680 tight lipped about taking sides regarding the city manager's decision 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:21.000 AKA after Perevol's decision a place chiefs A. Thiji on leave. 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:25.639 We heard from Ken Kober immediately following yesterday's press conference 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:28.200 with Steve im at the Finny Law fram who is 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:31.240 representing Chief Thiji in this whole situation. He came on 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:34.440 my show live on seven hundred WW and his immediate 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.519 reaction to this thing was like, listen, there's many in 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.839 the rank and file weren't necessarily Teresa Thigi fans, but 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.239 guess what we all are now because what happened to her, 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.280 that she's being railroaded out of her job and being 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.760 called this is nothing but politics and she's a political scapegoat, 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.839 and finding out on her thirty fifth anniversary of or 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.440 hire as a new cop and now the chief of Cincinnati, 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.080 the first woman to do that long history of service 0:00:58.080 --> 0:00:59.920 for her family, as an insult to the badge and 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.200 insult to the whole process and what's interesting about this 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.520 after the followed very very few. And that's, by the way, 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.600 I may say, not serving all of them, but the 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.440 only one to voice an opinion on counsel and this 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.679 whole thing joins me now and that is Seth Wall Seth, 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:21.920 good morning. I'm doing well, but I'm also probably doing 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:23.880 better than you right now. I can't imagine what you 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.479 woke up this morning and went in the seconds where 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.119 the cobwebs are there, they go away. The first thing 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:30.320 you probably thought of is is this dumpster fire? 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.600 It's been It's been quite a week of chaos and 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:40.160 hectic and yeah, it's been. It's been a week, Scott, 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.840 and not the best week that we've had in entity council. 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:44.520 Yeah, is Terry Thiji. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:49.960 The problem, you know, I think the problem with that question, 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.200 Scott is how do we know that they're not telling 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.800 you anything, They're not telling me anything. None of us 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.720 know why this decision is being made. So Issu's the 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.080 I'm waiting for the evidence to be shown to us. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.680 But in people say, wow, this is you know, it's 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.520 share along because the way it works is the chiefs, 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.560 the chiefs administrators, they all report to city manager share along. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.280 So this is Cheryl's day. But again she's just the executioner, right, 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.760 This is the mayor. This is af tad pirival. This 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.360 isn't Cheryl Long. She is a subordinate and she's doing 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.800 what she I don't know what she is commanded to do, 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:26.880 I suppose, or I don't know. Is Cheryl Loong run 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.120 the whole thing? Either way, it's a horrible look for 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.560 the mayor, especially with an election coming up in a 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:32.440 couple of weeks. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.280 Well, I think it's a bad look for the city 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.720 as a whole. You know, from everything that I've been told, 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.480 which is pretty much what you see in the media. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.200 I mean, this seems to be a decision made by 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.720 Cheryl Long, and I think that leads to a lot 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.320 of questions about the fact that the police chief, at 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:50.800 the end of the day is a very important decision, 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.280 especially when we are trying to get crime under control 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.280 in our downtown or over the Rhine and in these 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.440 neighborhoods were seeing spice and crime in it is a 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.880 very very important decision. And to change the police chief, 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:03.880 no matter when you're changing the police chief, but to 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.040 change it in such a chaotic tactic fashion, with no 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.880 clear plan, no clear evidence about why the decision is 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.760 being made. That is a massive problem, and it is 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:17.040 I think it's I think Ken was spot on. I imagine 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.080 this is terrible from hero out for the police Department, 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:23.799 because you know, even if it's not a situation of escapegoat, 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.680 it sure feels that way. And it's a situation that 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.079 we need to be providing stability right now. We need 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:31.880 to be showing leadership and we need to put our 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.360 plan for because the most important thing is public safety, 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:36.040 not personality conflicts. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.040 Seth Walshaw immediately following the press conference yesterday with Steve Vam, 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.000 who did a great job. By the way, I spoke 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.600 to Ken Coober, President the FFP, live on the show, 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.240 and that was one of the questions I had to him. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.240 It's like, we just spent what kramerting four and a 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:54.960 half million dollars with Kramerting, Jefferies, yourself and others voting 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:56.920 to fund the police department. We got to get more 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.120 bodies and we got to recruit. We're down one hundred 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:01.640 and thirty one hundred FFTY officers. Can't have that. We 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.680 got have lateral recruiting class. We're going to pull officers 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:07.440 from other jurisdictions and make an appeal to them with 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:11.000 money and the job at hand, to come to Cincinnati 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.360 and work here and work for a district and make 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.560 a difference in crime, make some money yourself and all that. 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:17.880 That's all well and good. Four and a half million 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:21.360 dollars does in this whole move undermine that, because if 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.839 I'm a officer, if I'm a beat cup, and let's 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.480 say I don't know I work in a jurisdiction, I'm 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.800 maybe considering making the move over to Cincinnati go a 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.039 whole lot of second, Look, look how dirty they just 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:34.440 did the chief and that's a chief. I'm nobody. What 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.480 chance do I have? So did we just shoot ourselves 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.680 in the foot? We opened the coffers up to four 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.120 and a half mil. But at the same time send 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.240 the message out that we don't know what we're doing 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.440 over here, and we'll make you escapegoat politically if we 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:47.760 have to. 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:52.400 Well, that's where my concern comes in in terms of 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.760 there's a lot of concern I have here. But yes, 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:59.080 when we're talking about our law enforcement members, not only 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.719 the morale of existing police rale of those we're trying 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.760 to hire, But is that plan even heading forward the 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.200 five and a half five point four million dollars we 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.640 just allocated, Like, what is the plan for that now? 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.679 Because it was moving forward under the last police chief 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:18.000 who's currently on administrative belief, it's not That's what That's. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:19.600 My frustration where I'm most. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.320 Upset right now is we are trying to get crime 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.800 under control in the city of Cincinnati. It is not 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.720 clear the stability in the past for that because nothing's 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.200 been laid out to us other than this hectic process 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.520 that we've all watched play out in the media. We've 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.560 named an interim police chief who by all accounts is 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:37.440 an amazing individual and going to be a great leader 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.480 for the department. But it's not clear what the transition 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.279 is and what's carrying on and what the problem even 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:44.159 was in the first place that led to this change. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.520 So how can you and I even confidently say we 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.760 know what's happening next? You know, is all the plans 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.240 that we've done for the last two months drown out 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.800 the window and we're starting fresh or are we continuing it? 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:54.240 And if we're continuing it, how are we going to 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:57.520 provide the confidence people that that's what's happening. I don't know, 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.000 and that is not an acceptable answer for somebody who's 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.320 city on city council ne' to give you, And it's 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.800 not an acceptable answer for the city manager to give 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:06.839 us that as the solution right now is that we 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.240 don't have enough information to even answer that question. So yeah, 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:10.640 I'm very worried about that. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.719 Yeah, And as I understand, I don't know any but 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.480 I understand from the rank and file, many of they 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:15.960 respect him. They love the guy. I mean, he's the 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.440 guy that wrote that citation a month later or charged anyway, 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.240 the white guy in the brawl, because that was at 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.800 the behest of the rabid reverence out there who demanded 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:28.400 a flash demanded of whitey be charged because he got 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.040 black guys who were an assault and no officer on 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:32.800 the scene would write it because they didn't think a 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.719 crime was committed. But he took essentially the political bullet 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.080 and said, okay, final, I'll be the one that puts 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.560 my name to this, this thing that got that ball rolling. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:43.359 And that was all the behest of the mayor's office. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.400 So that's greasy and dirty as well, because that is 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.720 a potential civil rights violation, which you know again, when 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.720 you're fighting to keep your nose above water like after 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.960 Puribals and keep his political career going, that seems like 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.440 a pretty big misstep to me. You open yourself up 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.480 for a civil rights case. But I don't know, does 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.160 they only care about this election coming up and damn 0:07:03.160 --> 0:07:04.960 the torpedoes. We'll see what happens after that. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:10.239 You know, again, I don't know. From everything I've heard, 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.320 it doesn't sound like this was the mayor's decision, which 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.560 I know is you know, we think the way the 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.640 city government works, that this would be the marrior's decision. 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.440 This is legally and technically the city manager's decision. And 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:23.960 everything that I've heard behind the scenes, which again it's 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.120 not much more than what you've heard, does not sound 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:28.040 like the mayor's the one who made the decision on this. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.520 It sounds like the mayor may have been aware of 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.920 conversations transpiring behind the scenes which led to comments last week. 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.640 But beyond that, I don't have anything to indicate that 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.200 Aftab was the one who made the decision. 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.640 Ultimately, but there was a political component to this, There's 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:47.240 no question about it. This wasn't a criminal charge. This 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:48.520 was a political charge. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.720 Yeah. I mean I think that that's one of the 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.560 big questions. Why does this decision made? 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:54.000 Right now? 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.680 What was the urgency that required this decision to be 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.320 made so quickly that the police chief had to fly 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:01.240 back from college out of And I've asked that question. 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.680 I don't have a satisfactory answer to it, right, And 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.560 it seems like there was again, I mean, it's chaos, 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.280 and it seems like chaos reigned for thirty six hours 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.080 at city Hall and bad decisions were made and that's 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:15.640 not okay and that's not acceptable. 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:17.640 And that's the big problem here. 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.040 Some people need to come out and say what actually 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.520 happened and led to this and why this decision was made. 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.000 You know, this is a really big decision, and the 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.080 absence of information leads to rampant speculation that is not 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.800 good for anybody. And I don't understand why people are 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:32.800 so gun try to come out and just say what 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:34.920 happened and what led to this decision. It's not like 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:36.000 we don't know what's happening. 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:36.439 You know. 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.319 Last Wednesday, I think they put out like three press 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.480 releases saying that she was still employed, which is you know, 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.160 you know that Scott, you're in the media is like, 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:44.040 that's the kiss of death. 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.880 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't I don't understand you. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:49.200 We're good at at reducing force around here, so we 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.280 know this. Well, I don't heard when somebody get called 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:53.600 back from a conference in Denver and going, hey, you 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:55.160 got to get back here right away because you've got 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:58.680 a we've got a violence emergence. Well, you know, the 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.360 emergency would happen immediately found what happened to Fountain Square? 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.839 This was, this was after that. There's nothing newsworthy going on, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.840 and just out of the blue, she's in Denver and 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.400 now we got to pull the plug on or doesn't 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.200 make any sense. And I brought up A. Henny's name earlier, 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:13.680 and he seems like a great guy, be a great chief. 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.480 But I guess the question is, wasn't that Terry. We 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.600 don't know why Terry Thigi got fired in the first place. 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.360 There's no reason around this. And technically she's not fired, 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.199 she's still on administrative leave. So there's that level of confusion. 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:27.960 What are you getting with Henny that you didn't have 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.479 with Thigi? Nobody knows. 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.400 Right, and you know, again, a hard number one priority 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.080 has to be public safety. So you know, I I 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.320 think Henny is going to do a great job. But 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.000 at the end of the day, you know, things I've 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.720 heard from police officers are are we being held accountable 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.960 for the fact that crime is happening? And I can't 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:48.640 imagine what the morale is and I have it. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:49.280 It's a very. 0:09:49.120 --> 0:09:50.920 Difficult question for me to answer it now because I 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.480 don't know what we're holding her accountable for. There may 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.079 verver will be a good reason, Scott that you and 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.280 I would agree with and say, yeah, that's the right decision, 0:09:58.320 --> 0:09:59.920 and you know, it had to happen urgently, but we 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.480 absent of information, we don't know that, and so the 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:08.520 perception is chaos, and uh, you know, we're reacting to crime, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:11.040 but we're reacting now to it as opposed to over 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.960 the summer where you and I've had multiple conversations about. 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.120 It, and this is just it doesn't make sense. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:19.160 And I think the clarity is so badly needed because 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.760 it is going to have a negative impact on our police, 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:23.800 can have a negative impact on our citizen. We'rele it's 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:25.200 going to have a negative impact on what we are 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:27.160 trying to do as a city. And right now, I 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.800 don't think that we need that forget the election, think 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.679 about liscinating and what we are trying to achieve. You know, 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.360 I talk about economic development all the time. You know, 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.400 right now is when we need the inspiring confidence that 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.080 we've got this under control, because we want people coming downtown, 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.800 we want people coming to over the run. This is 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.120 not a good time to indicate in any way that 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:46.000 we you know, we're not. We don't have a plan 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.880 for how we're handling public safety. And again there may 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:50.559 very well be a plan. They come out and tell 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.640 it to us, show us what the plan is. 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.560 I don't have a censor as a plan, Council Member 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.000 sas Walsh, I really really don't. Here's the issue, though, 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.320 you're out now, can't painting as all members of council are. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.520 When election coming up in just a few short days. 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.440 You're almost down to the wire right now. When you 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.439 talk to your constituents, When you talk to the good 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.560 people of Cincinnati, not only the citizens, but also the 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:14.320 people who operate and own businesses in and downtown, just 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.319 to maybe travelers too as well, who the hell knows 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.120 you make contact with. What is the consensus among the 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:19.960 constituents in this. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.640 I mean, I'm hearing. I imagine this is what you're 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.120 hearing and what people are feeling who are listening to this. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:32.679 You know. Opinions about the police chief varied, but opinions 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.200 about how this has been handled are pretty unified, which 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.520 is that she didn't deserve to be treated this way 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.800 so publicly. It's not clear why it happened, and so 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:45.120 the opinions on the entire process is that it is 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.640 it's been atrocious and that nobody deserves to go through this, 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.560 least of all for not a clear reason about why. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.120 And people are pretty offended by it, and I think 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:57.440 rightfully so, and I think again, absence of information, it 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:58.000 looks bad. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:11:59.000 It looks really bad. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.560 Oh. The FOP issued to voted no confidence on the 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.040 mayor's conduct here in an indirect way that with Thigi 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:06.640 and now they're standing behind Fiji going listen. There are 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:08.920 numbers who had issues with Terry and how she ran 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.000 the shop, as you will with any boss for that matter. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.800 But at the same time everyone is coalesced. I guess 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.280 on the thin blue line to say this is outrageous 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.560 and there's no plan going. The way I look at 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.120 it politically, Seth is what's the strategy here. I mean, 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.000 you have turmoil with an interim chief, which implies you 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:28.720 have no control over crime and that it's all Terry 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:31.160 Thigi's fault. You mean, Kenny the chief. It's a fresh start. 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.640 Then you get to the election. Were the repercussions here? 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.120 Because I'll be honest with you, even with this nonsense 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:39.320 and this mess that's going on right now in this 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.880 s show and the way this has been handled, I 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.040 don't know how Aftab loses the election. I really don't. 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:48.840 I mean he can, I suppose, but I don't see 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.880 this huge ground swell for Corey Bowman, who's a political 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.480 no name upcomer, and Jad Vans's brother dad has baggage. 0:12:54.480 --> 0:12:55.080 You know what I'm saying. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:59.480 Well, I mean I saw a great faith and a 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.040 mayor of the Cincinnati and I do think that his 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.440 election results will be very positive for him. But I 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.480 think it's important to remind you, know, your listeners, that 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:11.520 Cincinnati is three branches of government. You know, it's the mayor, 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:13.760 it's a city council and the administration, and all three 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:17.680 are are theoretically equal. So you know, the mayor, I 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:20.480 think you're right, he's going to get re elected. City Council. 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.839 Obviously that the vote there is important for people to 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:24.880 show up and make their voices heard, but. 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.640 Also equally so you know, even if you know. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.360 All AID incumbents are re elected and you know, we 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.200 get the ninth member Bryan James elected on the Democratic 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.439 slate there, people may feel frustrated, but the administration is 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.280 still equal on here that you know, you should be 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.280 expecting us to be asking these hard questions of you 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.959 should be asking us and expecting us to be challenging 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.480 them to come up with the answers and tell us 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:48.040 what is going on in a public setting, not behind 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.040 closed doors, not in a way that you know it's 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.800 not clear, because this is too big and too important 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:54.680 of an issue not to have clear answers off for 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.680 the public. And I think that's really important people understand. 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.000 You know, the mayor and city council or your voice 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.319 is near representatives. But the way our government is set 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.240 up is the administration's in charge. And if we are 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:05.960 not getting clear answers, we need to be pushing them 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.040 to get the clear answers. And we can't just rest 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.360 on our laurels and say like, well that's their decision. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.520 We need answers. We need to hold them account and 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.440 we do. This is one way to do it. Let's 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:15.640 make it clear where we're frustrated. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.960 All right, voters most likely will choose aftab over Corey Bowman. 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:22.560 But at the same time, does this have an effect 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.560 down ticket? Should you be concerned as well? Should the 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:27.440 odd members of council because so many people that are 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.240 running because of the way this was mishandled. We've got 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.480 so many hats in the ring right now. Anything can happen. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.360 You say you support aft to add pereval, but what 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:36.480 if he costs you your seat? 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.720 Like anybody running for any office should be scared when 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:43.200 they have to go out there. They have to earn 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:46.800 votes every single day. It's one of the reasons that 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.200 I'm trying to be vocal about this. I think that 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.880 people's for people need to feel their frustration is being 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:55.920 vocalized at an relucts of leadership capacity. I think anybody 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:57.920 running right now should be worried and should be willing 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.360 to take a stance on this issue, and they have 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:03.360 their opinions known on this issue because this is an 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:07.200 important issue that determines kind of how the next administration operates. 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.560 In terms of you know, whoever gets elected this cycle, 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:13.000 and if you're not willing to speak out, if you're 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.280 not willing to challenge and the hold people accountable. You know, 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.040 that's the role of a city council member is to 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.520 whole the administration accountable, to ask the hard questions. It's 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.200 how you and I to become I would say we're 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:23.720 friends now, Scott, but you know, we started having these 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.480 conversations about a bridge fire where they thought that three 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.040 years was acceptable to take to get it fixed, and 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.080 I've said no way, and we got done one hundred days. 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.800 That's why we start talking about snowplouds because we didn't 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:35.680 plow six hundred streets and we had to hold people 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.960 accountable and ultimately the DPS director retired because of that, 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.080 and we got somebody in there that is going to 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.080 get our streets cloud this year. And that is the 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.240 job of the city council member. And if you're not 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.440 willing to speak out the whole the administration accountable, I 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:49.880 don't know why you should be elected to it. And 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:51.920 I think that you guys should be holding people accountable 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.600 and challenging us to speak out and say these things. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.400 We can all be the same party. We can all 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.240 be friends, but our job is accountability. 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.800 I can't say all Seth Walsh. I can't say all 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:05.320 members of council besides yourself, but most members of council 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:08.360 and maybe y'all. No one wants to come out publicly 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.480 and chastise the mayor and call them out as you 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:12.720 just did on the show. Why is that? Why do 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:14.960 you think that is that you're the only one willing 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:15.360 to do it. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.280 I don't know, Scott, and I will prefer to you 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:21.120 to figure that one out. 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:21.440 For me. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.120 I don't have enough money to go to therapy to 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:24.040 get that answer. 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.000 Well, I mean it's not I don't understand. It seems 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:30.920 to me maybe we're just trying to protect the brand. 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.280 Like if I'm a Democrat, I'm not allowed to criticize 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:35.920 another Democrat. You just did that, and I think you're 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.400 going to be fine. It's okay. We need to get 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.800 back to it. Whether it's same with the Republicans. Republicans, Hey, 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:43.480 you can't criticize Trump. Yeah you can. You're supposed to. 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.240 That's how the system works up. I mean, I got 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.280 I get in fights when I was younger all the 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.440 time with my two brothers. I still love them. I 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:52.240 take a bullet for either one or both of them. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.440 But you're allowed to disagree with people. 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:00.440 Yeah, I agree, and I try to lead my example, 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.880 and I hope you know it is scary sometimes to 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:05.679 step on the ledge and take the phone call with you, 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:07.560 Scott and say I don't know what his opening question 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:08.520 is going to be today. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:09.000 But we'll find out. 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:10.600 That's two of us. 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.000 Yeah right, so we're always surprised. It's always a fun time. 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.679 But yeah, I hope others get the confidence and the 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.520 courage to be speak out too, because I think on 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.679 issues like this it's too important to stay silent. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.800 Yeah, yeah, all right, I know you got to get going, Seth. 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.520 I appreciate it. Hopefully you can brave through this. Council Member, 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:31.080 Seth Walsh would appreciate your vote. I'm sure, very thoughtful 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:33.320 as always, and we'll see where this goes. But I 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:36.160 even think the people who know I don't know where 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:37.880 it's going at this point, and that's a scary part. 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.080 All the best, my friend, do well, Thanks Scott, take care. 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.320 You know we just had the No King's protest down people. 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:48.160 Donald Trump is as it's chaos. He's making rash decisions, 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.960 no accountability, no context. And if you're a Democrat and 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.560 you're down there, I imagine many Republicans are the no 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.320 Kings rally. But if you're down there at so your 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.000 point and this is your belief, I'd have to ask you, 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:05.720 isn't this exactly what you were protesting this weekend? Chaos? 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:11.240 No accountability, investigations by law enforcement that are politically compromised, 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:15.840 unelected appointees like Iris Rawley having too much power, cronyism. 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.320 We protesting Trump when you should have also been protesting 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:33.879 aftab puer vault. Scott's Loan Show seven hundred ww Solony 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.200 seven hundred WLW just had a council member, Seth Walsh 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:39.879 on the show live and he brought the noise this 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.040 morning as a little whoo. That was like a third 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:44.520 cup of coffee, Wasn't it like the only member of 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.880 council not afraid to go at AFT tab pure vault 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:48.879 at this point. Everyone else is kind of laying lows 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.320 in which way the wind blows, which I get. You know, 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:53.560 election season, you don't know what's going to happen with 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:55.720 the voters because they're a piste off and who could 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.359 blame them based on what's happening right now, largely because 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.600 of the mayor. And I think there's maybe some conservatives, 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:04.359 probably a good number of people are cursing me out 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.679 or maybe not listening anymore because I'm not drinking the 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:13.040 entire right kool aid. And that's fine. But I look 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:14.720 at that and go, well, you know, I just don't. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.760 Corey Bowman seems like a good guy. You know, he's 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.439 a pastor, he's the brother of the Vice president. If 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:22.199 you're a conservative, you'd probably vote for him. But the 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.040 problem is you're not in Hamlin County. It's deep, deep blue. 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.840 And how much does that carry in deep blue Cincinnati? 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:30.000 You know? 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:34.679 I think after that peerful knows that, And which is 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.639 even the worst part, because you feel like, hey, you 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.600 know what, I don't have to I don't have to 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:40.600 play this out. I can do whatever I want, which 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.000 is part of a bigger problem. And I kind of 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:44.680 brought it up at the end of talking to Seth 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.240 Walsh there, and I was thinking about it during the 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:51.800 break and go. This past weekend we had the No 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:56.960 King's rallies right that, the nationwide protests against President Trump. 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.200 Not one person who voted for Trump would be a 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.280 No King's rally. Right, So the protesters, what were their 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:07.040 their grievances, Well, there are a lot of individual grievances 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:08.920 out there and anytime you have one of these tantrums, 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.120 and that's what it was, a tantrum. It's a bunch 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:15.040 of people with hold a wide difference of what it 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:18.280 is there to bitch about. But the commonality is the 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:22.320 president of the United States and the protesters were concerned 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.280 about what many things the direction of the country that 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.440 were descending into fascism. That there's just nothing but chaos 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.399 with this president. I'd agree with that, there's a lot 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.440 of chaos going on. That this is a guy that 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.800 makes rash decisions. There's no accountability, there's no context. Okay, 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:44.280 you protested Trump et cetera. Point this weekend for the 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:48.439 No King's rally, How is this different than what's happening 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.320 at City Hall? Because one guy, and you could say 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:54.280 he sure a long now aftad have pure of ball 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.560 is holding the city hostage in a sense with the 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.480 stupid ways handled crime. There's platitudes and there's measures, there 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:02.919 are too little, too late. Trump doesn't answer to anyone. 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.120 And if you love Trump, you love that about him. 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:07.200 But if you don't, you hate that. It's like he 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:10.639 won't listen to He only listens himself. Okay, so who's 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:15.560 aftabolist answering to council. No, we just had Seth Walshawn 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:19.080 and he said, no one knows what's going on. We 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.000 know that Trump isn't afraid of the camera or the 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.199 reporter of the question. He goes to them. Hell, he 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:26.920 puts all this stuff out. I'm social. When Patrick Carringer 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.919 was killed in his own home two days later, he 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:33.320 didn't post about that. He posted about a ribbon cutting 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.280 that he was a part of and literally steps away from. 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:38.320 When this man was murdered his own home, not a 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.920 word We had the since he beat down in late July. 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.000 What did he do? Left for vacation the day after 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:46.760 it went down. It's going viral. You know it's going 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:55.119 to be bad. And he fled to Canada. Ah, okay, Well, 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:58.520 you know, if you're against chaos and no accountability and 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.159 no context and doing over the hell you want to 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.920 and not answering to anyone and destroy, I'm sorry, isn't 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:09.840 it what AFTABT puervol is doing right now? One of 0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:13.040 the criticisms is you know Trump is he has his investigations, 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:15.680 and the law enforcement are now politically compromise of Justice 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:18.399 Department is not anymore. It's about It's about retribution and 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.399 taking care of you. Okay, Well, the guy who's just 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:25.080 been named innor in Chief knowingly wrote a citation to 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.680 cause the arrest of the white guy who is the 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:31.080 victim in the brawl. Not the responding cops, Not the 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:32.800 cops who showed up because they said, well, you know, 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:34.439 we think you're the victim of a crime, but the 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:38.399 lieutenant colonel. And it was a full month later, after 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:41.159 the reverence demanded it, after the press conference. The charges 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:47.439 are filed and then sealed. What what This is not 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:49.960 a criminal charge, it's a political charge. And it's all 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:56.680 under sheer Long, who is essentially the pit bull for 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:59.200 after that puer vol the same guy who was forced 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:02.480 by the order of his boss city manager named dinner 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:04.760 in Chief is a reward for being loyal. I may 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:06.080 be wrong about that, and this is I don't think 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:07.959 it's indictment of Henney because I understand he's a great guy. 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:10.359 He's loved by the cops, and you know, I get it. 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:12.439 You're going to do what you're told. If you're the piper, 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.040 you call the tune. And Henny is not the piper. 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:19.600 He's way down the food chain, and he didn't want 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:23.040 his officers to have be forced politically by the mayor's 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:26.199 office to do that, so he said, I'll do it 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:29.280 for you. That that's leadership in a in a very 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.439 and that's leadership in a vacuum, is what that is. 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.280 So this is an attack on Henny. This is an 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:40.640 attack on what happened. We hear about Oh my god, 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:42.840 look at look at all the benefactors to Trump and 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.680 the people that are you know, the people that support 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:47.840 him and give him money, and his benefactors that elon 0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:51.360 musks and the butt kissing him. Okay, unelected appoint hees 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:54.640 have too much power. And this is a much smaller 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.399 scale because of the city of Cincinnati. But what Tyris Rawley, 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:01.680 she's she's interfering with cops who or lawfully enforcement a 0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:04.320 law by arresting individuals without standing warned. So what you're 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:05.800 supposed to do in your cop and she's telling the 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:08.720 person you have rights to resist. This is a woman 0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:11.120 they pay over one hundred thousand dollars to who. By 0:24:11.160 --> 0:24:14.440 the way, three years ago, when Terry Thigi got the job, 0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:19.320 the candidates, including Terry, were interviewed by Iris Rowley. Had 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:21.960 to pass the Iris Rowley test. What authority does she have? 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:28.080 Two few and two infrequent state troopers, which they begrutually 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:29.880 went along with, but just enough to make it, hey, 0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:32.040 we're cooperating with the state. You really aren't. They're coming 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:34.960 in for like one, like one day a week or 0:24:34.960 --> 0:24:36.720 two days a week, something stupid like that. The state 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.800 troopers had to be lectured by her. And if you 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:44.080 talk about cronyism, Roly's son was hired to talk to 0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.280 young people at Fountain Square as a criminal pass and 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:47.920 I guess it's maybe to get them on the right path. 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:51.320 He's got a part time gig through his mom, paying 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:54.800 sixty I think, what is it? Almost sixty thousand dollars 0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.399 a year. Fifty thousand dollars a year. Sixty dollars an 0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:01.200 hour basically is what it is. What to talk to 0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:03.640 people to Fountain Square. You're getting fifty sixty bucks an hour. 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:06.880 Who the hell doesn't want that gig? And why does 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:08.760 he have that job because of his experien No, because 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:12.439 his mom is connected the Aftet. So for all the 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:15.760 folks who are down on the riverfront this weekend with 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:18.040 a No Kings rally and all the stuff that you're against, 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:19.960 and there's a lot of there's a lot of things 0:25:20.040 --> 0:25:22.800 I get it with this president that people don't like. 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:25.320 I understand it. Some of it I agree with myself. 0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:30.240 But for me who the problem is politics, it's not 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:34.040 the politician, it's the party, it's the process. You know, 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.080 it's kind of funny watching folks out there who are 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:39.520 deep deep blue, angry at deep deep red, and they 0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:42.960 don't see that the deep deep problem is the same thing. 0:25:43.560 --> 0:25:45.639 There's a lot of characteristics I just laid out and 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:48.399 probably many more that you can check the box for 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:50.359 Donald Trump, but you can also check that box or 0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:57.240 Aftet puerful other stuff going on. Speaking of which, speaking 0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:59.359 of the presidential l this is one to me that 0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:03.000 I look at. I don't know. We're just people are 0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:04.800 just so angry at one side or the other that 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:09.119 they just they can't see even when it's something is 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:12.880 I don't know, minor as remodeling the White House. They're 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:14.440 gonna make a big deal out of it. So the 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.879 Australian Prime ministers and I guess someone bumped into a 0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:18.680 four hundred year old mir and Trump kind of lost 0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:20.320 his mind a little bit, which is kind of funny, 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:23.640 but pointed out that he's worried about it about one 0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:26.320 mirror while the demolition crews at the same time are ripping, 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.479 are destroying the east wing, and why are they destroying 0:26:29.480 --> 0:26:31.760 the east wing they make room for this gaudy ballroom. 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:37.960 Hold on just a second, y'all. The White House came 0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:41.080 to be the White House in seventeen ninety two. That's 0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:44.639 two hundred and thirty three years, so let's just review 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:49.480 a second. Okay, has that building changed you think substantially 0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:54.480 in the last two hundred and thirty plus years. Chester Arthur, 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:56.920 Chester A Arthur, and the A stands well. I don't 0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:58.560 know what the A stands were, but it stands for something. 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:02.760 Chester A. Arthur had a remodel done where it was 0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:07.240 largely Victorian, a lot of Tiffany glass. Some people like 0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:10.359 the tiffany glass, some people go it's too much. And 0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.000 one of those people to be Teddy Roosevelt, because twenty 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:17.119 one years later he revitalized the White House added the 0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:19.399 West Wing. The West Wing wasn't always there. Teddy Roosevelt 0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:21.639 tr put in the West Wing. It's a separate building 0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:25.000 that houses, as you know, the staff, the secretary's cabinet room, 0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:28.240 all that stuff as well. Then our own, Cincinnati's own 0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:31.840 William Howard taff In nineteen oh nine, seven years later, 0:27:31.880 --> 0:27:35.000 comes in and expands the West Wing and says, you 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:36.720 know what, We're gonna put an office in here, the 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.800 Oval Office. The Oval Office was non existent till nineteen 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:44.280 oh nine. In nineteen twenty seven, Calvin Coolidge put a 0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:46.879 third floor on and said, yeah, you know what, we're 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:48.639 run out of space because we keep putting stuff in 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:50.600 the attic. What if we just put a third floor 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:52.439 in this thing? And at the time, the newspapers, one 0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:54.679 of the newspaper work anti Calvin Coolidge, going, what are 0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:56.720 we doing over here? I know it's the twenties, the 0:27:56.800 --> 0:28:00.000 Roaring twenties, that we've got money, but this seems irresponsible. 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.239 And of course then during this whole remodel we had 0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:07.520 the Great Depression kick in near the end of that term. 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.840 In nineteen forty eight, Truman said, okay, well we really 0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:12.680 need to double down here. And it was the most 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.000 extensive renovation the history of the White House that lasted 0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.560 four years to remodel the White House entirely, which was 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.280 well overneeded, desperately need at that point. But even since 0:28:21.280 --> 0:28:25.520 the Truman renovation. In nineteen fifty two, Jackie Kennedy created 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:27.639 the Rose Garden and you know, Donald Trump blew that 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:30.840 up and it pissed every Oh Rose Garden the history again, 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.320 what was the Rose Garden before Jackie Kennedy did something there? 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:37.679 Gerald Ford put a swimming pool in, Nixon put in 0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:41.760 a bowling alley. In seventy three, Obama did the Big 0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:44.680 dig and that just basically expanded the situation room and 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.000 the space under the west wing, so nothing was destroyed there. 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:49.160 But we've had a long history of blowing up the 0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.120 White House and doing different things. I just I don't 0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:53.280 understand why, hey, taking the west one would put a 0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:56.080 new ballroom in. It's just because Trump's doing it. 0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:56.320 Now. 0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:58.800 If Biden had won the election and we're doing it, 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:00.760 I'm sure people on the right be screaming about we 0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:02.640 don't have the money to do this stuff, and so 0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:05.520 it goes. It's just the silliness of it. We've been 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:08.960 remodeling the White House periodically for a long time because 0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:11.160 the building is two hundred and thirty three years old, 0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:13.600 and eventually you look at it going, this isn't working anymore. 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.640 And I forget what Nixon's bowling a. I don't think 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:19.280 it's a bowling al anymore. It's something else. You think 0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.280 Obama had a basketball court put it or something. I 0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:22.719 don't know if the court was always there, but had 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:26.120 that I wonder if that went away. I don't know, 0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:28.120 but it seems like they do a good job even 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:30.280 with the shutdown, of taking care of themselves. And that 0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:33.840 is the point of the discussion. It's like you keep 0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:35.840 blaming one side or the other. You just keep making 0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:38.200 excuses for your team and ignoring it when the other. 0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:40.160 You emphasize it when the other side does it, they 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.400 ignore it when your side does it. It's exhausting. I 0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.280 think for those of us, the eighty percent of us 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:45.720 we just want to live our lives, make money, be 0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:48.800 left alone, probably feel about the same way. You know, 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:50.760 back to the government shutdown. And as they said, as 0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:53.800 we get closer to thirty thirty five days in the 0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:56.560 significant of the shutdown gets greater and greater. You know, 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.840 for the first couple of weeks, who cares, got some 0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.040 park shutdown. Okay, somebody could get paid. Eventually they get paid, 0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:03.880 you know, a month. And now it's starting to cut 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.080 to the corel aboe. You know, we're getting job reports 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.120 and things like that start to go by the wayside. 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:11.040 And now you know, nuclear energy furloughs. Okay, well what 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:13.000 does that look like? In the longer drags on, the 0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.600 deeper and deeper we start to feel this. But the beginning, 0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.240 it's it's we're still I believe we're still in the 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:24.240 theater stage of this thing. Okay, nuclear weapons agency has 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.440 been hit according to Fox News, Right, a government shutdown 0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.480 hits top nuclear weapons agency. All right, I'd be concerned 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:31.360 if we had to launch nukes. Would you still be 0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:35.160 able to do that? Yes, yes we would because all 0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:37.880 but eight percent of the government is still open. That's 0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:42.320 not going to change the pain felt by federal workers 0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.600 and contractors. And maybe when you show up to get 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:48.400 something done, like for example, got an email. Doesn't apply 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.200 to me at all, but I pay Social Security as 0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:52.880 probably you do when you get an email from the 0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.120 Social Security adminster saying listen, you know what the officers 0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:58.960 are shot, but you still do stuff online. So, as 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.800 I said just yesterday, as a matter of fact, to 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:05.360 our buddy Schaeffer, over it all worth financial, they're going 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:07.920 to get back together. I guess the people decide this 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:10.960 to make sure that the COLO that would be the 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.720 cost of living raiss for those on Social Security will 0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:16.280 get their cost of living increase, because if he didn't 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.120 do that, and the old people who vote would be 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:20.720 pissed off. Now you're literally putting your lips on that 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:23.560 third rail, that's what you're doing. But you know, the 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:27.240 stuff that's going to really really upset people, like social Security, 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:29.440 we're still going to continue to do that kind of stuff. 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:31.840 And we're always going to do that because this is 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:35.760 nothing but theater. Now. Granted, the longer we get into it, 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:38.760 the more of those things will see and feel, and 0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:40.640 we'll just get tired of it, and eventually somebody's gonna 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:42.800 blink and they'll come back and we'll just shut the 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:45.080 government down again in about six or seven weeks and 0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:47.560 start this process all over again. Slowly. Here the big 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:52.440 one seven hundred WLW do have some developing news, and 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:55.800 we've been so I gots obsessed with the Terry Fiji 0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:59.240 thing that's still going on that there's actually other stuff 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.120 going on in the world. One of those things is recall, 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:06.080 right before all this broke was the intoxicating hemp law 0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:10.280 reform that was going down, where intoxicating hemp uh and 0:32:10.320 --> 0:32:13.080 that whole process is it's rather complex if you're not 0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:15.720 following what's going on there. We have beverages out there 0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.000 that have THHC in them, and THHG, of course, is 0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:21.960 the element in cannabis THHC delta nine in particular that 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.360 gets you high. And there's a lot of confusion over 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.240 this whole thing. I hope I can straighten it out 0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:28.920 maybe a little bit here, make some sense of this, 0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.200 because it's a complex issue as to why we're going 0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:35.520 after intoxicating hemp. And there's beverages out there that they 0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:37.959 sell that have THHC in it, but that derived from 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:39.760 the hemp plant. And there's a lot of complex things. 0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:43.640 Large it's because of all the lack of regulation and 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.880 then sweeping regulation coming in once the people pass something 0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.840 like legislating recuational marijuana. So cannabis and hemp are related plants. 0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.280 They look alike chemically, they're different. The part that gets 0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.240 you high AF is a lot less present than hemp. 0:32:56.440 --> 0:33:00.480 So in cannabis. THHC is a lot high. That's the 0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.720 stuff that gets you high, and CBD it's the opposite. 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.120 It's it's a lot less. Hemp is legal in the 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.680 United States. Cannabis isn't by federal law. Hemp is a plant, 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.160 and bulk of hemp is actually used for fabric and 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:17.520 clothing and stuff like that. Rope think for example, so 0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:21.239 THG gets you high, CBD doesn't. Hemp has something like 0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:24.120 point three percent thhdn just a trace amount of it. 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:25.760 So somebody along the line said, hey, you know what, 0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.120 since there's this hemp loophole, quote unquote, if we just 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.800 get a hell of a lot of hemp and extract 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:36.200 that point three percent thhd, we can take that and 0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:38.720 it'll have the same effect as marijuana plant the Americ 0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:43.960 cannabis plan. So technically it's a loophole because we will 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.880 always find a way around prohibition always we always have 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.720 in the world. If there's a black market, somebody's gonna 0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:52.320 find it, So hemp products will be sold almost anywhere 0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:54.320 in the state, and the government has no jurisdiction. That's 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:56.840 why we have this emergency order from Towne. Because the 0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:59.760 legislature was slow to move on changing end of it's 0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:03.040 because they're being held hostage, I guess by the far right. 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:05.480 And we're afraid of church groups yelling at us because 0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:08.360 dare someone put something or do something that they disagree 0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:10.600 with put some of their body disagree with that. That's 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:13.080 how it works. And so the other thing you did 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:15.279 know about Delta eight nine is eight is considered a less 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:18.120 potent and milder than delta nine. That is a big 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.040 component in cannabis, and you get more of a subdued 0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.200 high in that it's a little more relaxing, a little 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.480 more clear headed, and delta nine is your classic weaed high. 0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:28.239 And so we have these beverages that are infused with 0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:31.600 that product, the Delta eight that people enjoy. And then 0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.280 talking to well like the folks at fifty West for example, 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.239 said hey, listen, you know our craft brew the whole 0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:38.680 craft brew thing starting to die. People are kind of 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.279 craft brewed out. But you know what they really really like. 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.600 They like these seltzers. They like these waters essentially that 0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.400 are infused with that delta eight. So you get the 0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:52.080 same effect as alcohol, but also a lot of people 0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:55.319 like the way you feel the day after. You know, 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.400 a lot of people get hangovers. By the way, my 0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:01.279 superpower never get hungover, get drinkingdrink and drink, and wake 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:02.920 up the next day ready to go. Don't know why, 0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:07.200 just how it is in that regard. People are going, well, 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:08.840 you know what, I don't have that feeling I have 0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:10.399 the next day. I can have a couple of these 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.719 and feel nice, have a good, warm feeling about me 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.279 as you get with alcohol. But I don't have the 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:20.560 residual effect. Okay, you're twenty one or older. What's wrong 0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.719 with that? Nothing? So the good news is, rather than 0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:25.439 we had this ninety day ban, and then of course 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:27.680 there was a three companies, one here in Cincinnati filing 0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:29.920 a lawsuit against this, and there's an injunction that stops 0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.319 so you can still drink those beverages at fifty West 0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:34.680 and elsewhere. It's all good now. Finally, what looks like 0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:38.279 we have the legislature being forced at gunpoint to do 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:42.320 what they're unwilling to do, and we have new legislation 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:44.640 that addresses all this stuff. The guy behind it, of course, 0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:47.880 is Steve Hoffman. He's a physician and also state senator 0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.040 from just the Tip City. He joins me next on 0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:52.080 the show, to talk about this and more coming up 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:58.160 on seven hundred WW Cincinnati Good Morning. He's got fum 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:01.240 here on seven hundred WW streaming on the iHeartRadio app. 0:36:01.360 --> 0:36:03.480 We have the TG stuff going on, of course, and 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.600 we also have this. This is kind of breaking news 0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:07.960 and you're getting at first, three Ohio companies, you know, 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:10.600 FIUL a lawsuit challenging Governor to wines emergency order to 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:13.680 ban the sale of low level intoxicating him products, namely 0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.839 those celtzas you like because they're infused with Delta eight. 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.680 And a lawsuit was enjoined by those companies and he 0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:22.560 had a ninety day ban in effect, and that was 0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.040 set aside. But guess what, we may have a resolution. 0:36:25.280 --> 0:36:28.799 We may have a resolution in this whole sort of 0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:32.360 affair on that is Ohio Senator Steve Huffman out of 0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:34.640 just a Tip City. He's a physician by trade, but 0:36:34.680 --> 0:36:37.880 also longtime lawmaker in the Senate. Steve, Good morning, Houses 0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:38.640 Wednesday morning. 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:42.959 Find you, beautiful day, beautiful day all as well. 0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:45.480 I'm ready to go. How about you? So you sponsored 0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.000 Senate Bill fifty six that was the controversial one overhauls 0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:52.520 of cannabis laws, consolidates and revises medical and adult use 0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:57.480 marijuana regulations, also establishes, in more importantly, a regulatory flame 0:36:57.560 --> 0:36:59.560 framework for all the stuff to work. So all of 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:03.160 a sudden, toxicating hemp comes along and people are going, oh, well, 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.560 we can kind of milk that hamp and get old 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:08.600 thc out of it enough to make it intoxicating beverage 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:13.200 or edible or vape or tincture or something along those lines. Unfortunately, 0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:17.080 because it's not regulated, some retailers, not a lot of them, 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.360 but a number of them, to take notice, are selling 0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:21.200 them the kids, and we can't have that. I understand 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.239 that whole thing. I thought that the ninety day ban 0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:27.560 was all overreaching when you're preventing adultshom enjoying. But again, 0:37:27.600 --> 0:37:30.960 the lawsuit forces the hand, the Governor Dwine forces the hand, 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:34.080 and the end result is we're hearing that there's a 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:36.359 sub bill to be added to your Senate Bill fifty six. 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:39.120 It would add hemp regulation to it. Kind of bringing 0:37:39.120 --> 0:37:40.480 everything together on the same page. 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:40.680 Is that. 0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:42.319 The short story is that the quick read. 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:45.839 The quick read. I also had the Senate passed out 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:49.759 my bill sent Bill eighty six was on hemp, and 0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:53.399 basically what we did was put all the intoxicating hemp 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:59.160 into the dispensaries, and that's where the two got put together. 0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:03.400 And we have one product on marijuana. And and the 0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.520 House yesterday spoke about you know, they've passed out of 0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:10.359 committee basically changing the hemp things. 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:12.799 Yeah, so you can't you know, the idea of going 0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.520 to a convenience store, be it anyone for that matter, 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:17.839 no idea whatsoever, you're going to buy something that can 0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:21.640 get you as intoxicated as an adult beverage. You need 0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:23.560 to be card at ID four at age twenty one. 0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:25.640 That didn't apply. It was kind of a loopholear that 0:38:25.800 --> 0:38:28.759 cleans all this up. So you won't see retailers carryouts, 0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.640 roague carryouts for that matter, doing what we're talking about here, 0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:33.480 because you can't have that. 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:37.200 And I agree with that, right, I mean, the overall 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:40.560 premise is you have to be twenty one in over 0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:45.719 to buy it. Now there's you know, the established as 0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:49.920 a license where four hundred places that are already selling 0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:54.560 this in eighty percent of their retail is him. They 0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:59.440 will be able to continue to do this. But in here, 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:05.040 as you've spoken before, and your wife enjoys the cannabis 0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:08.200 strength that you'd be able to sell the five percent 0:39:08.880 --> 0:39:12.719 of the five milligrams of THHC in a bar, but 0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:16.520 you would be able to as a carryout by ten 0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:23.200 milligrams from that bar or from a liquor establishment at 0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:24.040 twenty one and over. 0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:28.839 Okay, so I again most people, myself included doctor, Really 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:31.000 I don't understand five milligrams a ham two million. I 0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:34.000 look at some gummies that are five MILLI not point five, 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:37.160 but five milligram or ten milligram gummies, which you certainly 0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:39.840 can feel the effect of. From what I understand, the 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:43.400 point five seems rather low. Is there nothing point five milligrams? 0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:46.080 And let's say a can of seltzer? How does that 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:49.040 compare to let's say a can of beer. As far 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.640 as the effect, I. 0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:55.200 Think the effect of five milligrams is like a six 0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:59.600 percent bud. Like you know you have one, Hey, you're 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:02.120 not I really feel much of the fact. You know, 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:06.040 two or three or four you may start getting intoxicated 0:40:06.120 --> 0:40:07.320 and do funny things. 0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:09.359 Yeah, okay, that makes sense. You drink three or four 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:10.839 of them, you're starting to feel the effects a bit, 0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:12.800 which you know you don't want to make it completely 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.840 alcohol or in this case THHC free because it defeats 0:40:15.840 --> 0:40:18.279 the purpose if you're looking to, you know, maybe feel good. 0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:19.879 And let's face a lot of people like to say, 0:40:19.880 --> 0:40:21.840 I drink Why do I like craft beer? I like 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:23.440 the taste? Why do I like bourbon? I like the 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.799 taste of it? Most people drink it to get well 0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.680 messed up. Let's let's just call it what it is 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:29.840 and a little chemical yoga. As long as you do 0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:32.000 it in control, you're not driving who you hurt, and 0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:33.839 except maybe yourself a little bit. Now, if it gets 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.279 to be a habit, different story. But nonetheless, these are 0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.640 the vices which adults are allowed to enjoin the Buckeye 0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:40.560 State and across this country of our stief off men. 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:43.960 It fine with it, So that's good. Is there anything 0:40:44.000 --> 0:40:47.120 in here? Is this gonna let's rewind You may not 0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:49.080 know the answer to this, but we'll let's satisfy those 0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:50.759 who the three companies that brought the suit in the 0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:52.319 first place. I mean, have you met with them? So okay, 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.640 what are your grievances? And this addresses them, and less 0:40:54.640 --> 0:40:56.680 satisfy that lawsuit, so simply it goes away. 0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.120 That's a good questions. There's some things in here that 0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:06.320 bothers the industry. So one of the big thing about 0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:09.680 the ballot in issues that has been a concern is 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:13.279 the monopoly that it created so that anybody in the 0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:16.239 industry got to stay in the industry. We're limiting the 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:21.560 number of marijuana dispensaries. Well, this bill does the same thing. 0:41:22.280 --> 0:41:25.360 So it only's going to provide four hundred license to 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:26.760 the four hundred people that are. 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:27.160 Doing it now. 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:30.680 So if Scott Sloan said, I want to have the 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:34.279 hemp score, well it would be very difficult for a 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:37.040 number of reasons. One there's only there's no more licenses 0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:39.080 is we're giving them out to the people that are 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:43.160 already there. And number two, if there's a license, you're 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:46.600 going to stay seventy thousand dollars a year, and the 0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:49.000 other guys that are already established or are are going 0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:52.120 to pay ten thousand or fifteen thousand for their license. 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:55.799 It doesn't really seem a capitalist thing that the pre 0:41:55.960 --> 0:42:00.160 market that I mean, shouldn't we have let anybody it 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:03.840 provides a safe store to be able to sell it. 0:42:05.480 --> 0:42:08.480 Yeah, that that seems reasonable to me, and I think 0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:11.240 that's a reasonable suggestion. We'll see what the industry's reaction 0:42:11.320 --> 0:42:13.319 to that is. But but at the same time, we're 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.480 also limiting it to like four hundred damp outlets across 0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.040 the state with millions of people. You know, you talk 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:22.480 about I guess capitalism and and you know, having a 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:25.080 market there, and I think hemp dispensersky they can't be 0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:26.799 with like a mile each other something like that. Why 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.200 why such, why the restrictions there? 0:42:30.200 --> 0:42:32.480 You know, I think the House tried to model some 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:37.799 things that we did uh in in marijuana in you know, 0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:45.719 I think to prevent you don't want in downtown Cincinnati 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:49.719 every other store to be marijuana and hemp. And you know, 0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:52.880 also in this bill, it allows the city townships to 0:42:52.880 --> 0:42:55.719 say I just don't want hemp, I just don't want marijuana. 0:42:56.040 --> 0:43:00.239 You can't come in, and that's their right, but you 0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:02.680 know it would limit it that. You know, a few 0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:05.840 months ago when I was testifying, I kind of threw 0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:07.719 people for a loophole and I said, I think we 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:12.440 should deregulate marijuana within five years. Anybody should be able to. 0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:14.760 I mean, if you can, if you have the money, 0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:19.440 and you can provide a store that's and process it 0:43:19.480 --> 0:43:22.600 and grow it properly and under the surveillance of the 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:26.080 Cannabis Commission, go at it. 0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:26.360 You. 0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:29.319 If we really want to drive down prices and have 0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:33.399 a free market, we should deregulate it. But that fell 0:43:33.440 --> 0:43:34.320 on deaf ears. 0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:37.719 One would think, because the market would control. But in 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:39.960 this case, you know, you have four hundred outlets for 0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:42.319 a state that has damn near twelve million people. I'm 0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:44.239 doing the math on that one. It doesn't math that much. 0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:44.359 Now. 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:47.000 Granted a lot of our state is rural, but I 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:48.760 just wonder if that's too few, how do you determine 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:50.160 that number? What's that even based on. 0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:55.239 I think they looked at about how many stores are 0:43:55.280 --> 0:44:00.120 currently out there and to hold it artificially low so 0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:05.680 it benefits to current people, it does not benefit entrepreneurism 0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:06.480 out there at all. 0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.160 Yeah, and you look at how little the stuff cost 0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:11.120 in Michigan. It's because, man, I'll tell you, up there, 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:12.920 they have tons of it. Now, some may say, well 0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:15.760 it's too much, but again you have a gold rush 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:18.680 and opportunity for entrepreneurs to get into the game, and 0:44:18.719 --> 0:44:20.800 so you'll see a lot of storefronts. What happens generally 0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:23.960 in the cycle of business then is those little fish 0:44:24.080 --> 0:44:26.399 either can't figure out a business model to make it work. 0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:28.320 They go out of business, which happens all the time 0:44:28.520 --> 0:44:31.160 to natural cycle things, or they get successful and they 0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:33.359 get bought up by bigger fish and eventually, you know, 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:35.240 you have a limited number of fish in the market 0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:38.640 to control everything. So that but that's down the line, 0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.560 and it seems like we're artificially blocking that market right there. 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:45.000 He is Ohio Senator Steve Hoffman on the show on 0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:48.359 seven hundred WW the good news about this band and 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:50.759 how that affects you as if you enjoy the THHC 0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.840 laced beverages like at fifty West, for example, the sunflower 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:57.000 products are really good. This is this is going to 0:44:57.040 --> 0:45:00.279 allow this to continue to occur. So for example at 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:04.600 fifty West or any local company around here, they say, listen, 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:06.920 our beer sales. Craft beer is kind of it's dwindling's 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:08.239 starting to go down. Numbers are going now. We had 0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:10.560 peak craft beer, but so many more people now are 0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:12.800 enjoying these thhcht lays drinks. They're going to still be 0:45:12.840 --> 0:45:15.040 able to sell them at a bar. The ones with 0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:17.080 the higher amounts will have to be sold at a 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:18.759 carry out correct. 0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:21.239 More takeout from the bar. 0:45:21.440 --> 0:45:23.440 Okay, So if you can't sell the. 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.920 Ten milligrams to drink to the bar, you have to 0:45:25.960 --> 0:45:28.719 take that out. It's the way it's currently. 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:31.719 Written good because that was a concern. They're like, hey, listen, 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:33.400 craft beer is dying, and now you guys are going 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:36.760 to put this ninety day moratorium on creating crafting product 0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:38.600 and selling it. I'm going to go out of business. 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:41.440 And fortunately, I think what the governor did, and I 0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:44.040 disagree with holding up the children as a reason why 0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:46.640 to do this an extreme example, but he did what 0:45:46.760 --> 0:45:49.400 he set out to do and that has forced the 0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:52.680 legislature and force the lawmakers in Columbus to act on 0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:57.200 and do something about this loophole and specifically regulating this product. 0:45:57.280 --> 0:45:59.239 And I get if government comes in, we need to 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:03.080 regulate things, make sure it's safe and fair, and also 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.400 make sure it's not falling in the hands of the underage. 0:46:05.400 --> 0:46:08.719 And that's what regulatory regulatory framework does. I understand that 0:46:09.560 --> 0:46:12.480 it's just manned the legislature dragging their feet on this thing, 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:14.960 and it makes no sense to me because the end 0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.480 result is people wind up losing out. And also, you know, 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:20.800 you're making business have to work harder to work around 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:24.120 the slow pace of the government. I understand that fortunately 0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:28.000 we had in this case the legislature moving forward and saying, okay, 0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:29.799 we're going to come up with some frameworks here and 0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:31.640 maybe this will work out for everyone. 0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:31.960 You know. 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:33.719 One of the other things I saw here, and I 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.200 saw kind of the outline of the of the code itself. 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:41.319 It allows this whole municipalities, as you said, to ban 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:45.359 happen marijuana dispensers. For in Mason, for example, long ago 0:46:45.440 --> 0:46:47.600 they said we don't want this here, still not there. 0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:49.719 But at the same time, it also prohibits them from 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:52.560 taxing these products. So is there a rationale there for 0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:54.600 giving cities the power to ban but not the tax. 0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:00.359 We don't want to drive the price up from one. 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:03.880 He has always been the philosophy, especially on marijuana, that 0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:08.759 if you you know, let them tacked. You know, in 0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:12.640 this bill, we're doing what the municipalities want, because if 0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:16.640 you go back to the Ballid initiative, the Vallid initiative 0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:19.879 taxed it at ten percent and then put thirty six 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.920 to the locals. But there's a flaw in it that 0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:25.359 did not release the money to the locals. So over 0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:29.040 the last almost two years, they haven't gotten the money, 0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:32.759 and so this bill would keep that intact and then 0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:36.760 given a mechanism to release the money. It would also 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:41.399 add a ten percent tax on a HMP product. If 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:47.080 that's constitutional. Uh, we're still working through that because you're 0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:49.560 not allowed to tax things from out of that come 0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:51.239 from out of state at a higher rate, and you 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:55.200 at tax your own stuff as a federal law. So 0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:58.600 we'll see if that that'll work. 0:47:58.400 --> 0:47:59.000 Out for us. 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:02.239 All right, And then in the regulatory I mean it's 0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:04.560 kind of wonky. I suppose as I read through the 0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:07.120 note on this and said, okay, well, we've got these 0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:10.400 different regulatory frameworks, right, We've got the hemp dispensaries or 0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:14.560 under cannabis control, the drinkables under liquor control. Does that 0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:17.960 create confusion and inefficiency? 0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:18.359 It can? 0:48:18.520 --> 0:48:21.759 I mean, if you're a business that has two if 0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.560 you do, if you're if you're a hint and you 0:48:24.680 --> 0:48:28.279 have gummies and all sorts of ointments and stuff like that, 0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:31.720 and you also have beverages, you're answering to two masters. 0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:32.120 Now right right? 0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:35.879 It does. But you look at it at Kroger's or 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:39.759 a grocery store, you know they have they have to 0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:42.400 back a license, they have a liquor license, they have 0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:47.320 a pharmacy, they're they're answering the multil agent agencies in 0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:51.839 the state of Ohio and federal agencies also. But sometimes 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:54.120 that's that's the way it works out. If that's the 0:48:54.160 --> 0:48:55.320 business line, you need. 0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:58.840 One of the other things in here. Steve Hoffmann relative 0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:01.560 to the regulatory structure, I was talking to our friends 0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:03.799 at fifty West about this after this EDA came down 0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:05.640 from the governor of the ninety day ban and what 0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:07.520 that would do to business, and it's horrible. So they're 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:11.040 they're they're cranking out the sunflower product right now, which 0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:12.600 is what we're talking about, and a lot of people 0:49:12.719 --> 0:49:15.600 enjoy that. Of course, there's other brewers and manufacturers that 0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:18.880 do this locally, and God bless them because I like 0:49:18.920 --> 0:49:21.240 when people make money. It makes them make pay taxes 0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:24.600 and everybody's happy, especially when it's something leisurely and a 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:28.320 vice like drinking an adult beverage. So this doesn't require 0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:33.439 those companies, the cannabinoid manufacturers to have sales toritories for distributors, 0:49:33.600 --> 0:49:38.520 kind of like alcohol distribution. Does that limit market efficiency 0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:40.400 and competition or is that like, hey, we do this 0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:41.960 for alcohol, so it would be fair to do it 0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:43.439 to these products as well. 0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:46.640 Well, I think that was their philosophy. They do it 0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:49.480 for alcohol. You know, there's a thought that we should. 0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:53.000 To me, it's a disadvantage the vast majority that does 0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:57.360 the hamp products in beverages or the craft brewers. And 0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.279 you look at ryan Geist there in Cincinnati. I mean, 0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:02.080 and I don't know how many they do, but just 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:04.520 say they're going to do. They have you know, ten 0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:08.799 bars in Cincinnati and twenty retail outlets that they sell it. 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:11.279 They would be more efficient to load their truck up 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:15.239 at their factory and drive to those places rather than 0:50:15.280 --> 0:50:18.920 to take that truck to the distributor, which might be 0:50:18.960 --> 0:50:22.239 in Middletown and then that truck will then disperse thing 0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:27.560 to it. Certainly wouldn't be as efficient and probably cost effective. 0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:30.560 So because it's they tend to be more on the 0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:34.640 smaller scale. That's certainly not the Budweisers that are doing it, 0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:35.160 all right. 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:37.960 Right, Steve Hoffman, all right, So this is just kind 0:50:38.000 --> 0:50:40.840 of like written in pencil, not pen yet. What is 0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:43.360 the timeline for getting this done? You think what happens next? 0:50:44.280 --> 0:50:51.719 Well, the so the house passed it out. You know 0:50:51.719 --> 0:50:53.839 if we sent that over there in March, so they've 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:57.040 been sitting on it for seven months. So the inactivity 0:50:57.120 --> 0:50:59.600 was not from the from the from the Senate standpoint. 0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:02.920 But I do not think that the Senate is going 0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:06.279 to agree with the current form. I think probably in 0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:09.520 the next two or three weeks, you know, certainly before Thanksgiving, 0:51:10.080 --> 0:51:14.799 we will sit down and uh take the good on 0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:18.840 both sides and come up with something that both of 0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:22.600 us in the industry can is reasonable to be safe 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:25.960 and have an efficient industry here in the state of Lahar. 0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:29.000 So in the meantime, everything works away, it was working before. 0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:33.719 The goodness is you got about right with with the 0:51:34.080 --> 0:51:37.320 with the temporary restraining order. Everything's working us before. 0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:39.920 Yeah, and then you'll fill the void and we'll never notice, 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:41.840 which is how I like things to work. It's like 0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:45.080 when my phone or my tablet or my computer updates. 0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:47.479 It does it in the dark night when I'm dead asleep, Steve, 0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:49.200 and I wake up, and everything's the way it should be. 0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:50.279 That's what I want in us. 0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:54.680 Well, you hope that's the way it works because you're 0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:55.240 in trouble. 0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:57.640 Well, if next time we talk and we're talking about 0:51:57.640 --> 0:52:00.360 the blue Screen of death, and we've got a real problems. 0:52:00.400 --> 0:52:03.160 But hopefully all this happens behind the scene and you 0:52:03.200 --> 0:52:04.960 can go to a bar or a restaurant in order to 0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:09.120 your favorite CBD beverage. Steve Hoffman, Senator Steve Hoffman from 0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:12.359 a Tip City, I appreciate your help on this too, 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:14.200 and help and figure this out. It's a complex issue, 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:16.919 but we need more joy in life, not less joy. 0:52:16.960 --> 0:52:20.239 But if you know drinking a THHC infused seltzer is 0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:22.840 not your joy, well it certainly is someone else's, and 0:52:22.920 --> 0:52:25.560 damn it. As an American, as an Ohioan, I want 0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:27.000 to fight and make sure and I know you do too, 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:29.400 that that people can do that and enjoy that, provided 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:31.480 they're twenty one or older and doing it responsibly. All 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:33.920 the best to you, my friend. Thanks again, you take 0:52:33.960 --> 0:52:40.360 care of that. Take care. I say more intoxicating beverages, edibles, tintures, vapes, 0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:44.880 et cetera, not less. I'm on the pro chemical yoga 0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:48.120 side of life. Wear I'm a little eye voted sticker. Look, 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:49.759 we got to get a news update. And why do 0:52:49.840 --> 0:52:53.880 we enjoy adult beverages and other things that make us relaxed? Well, 0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:57.240 because of real life Streussors. Biggest stress or we're facing 0:52:57.280 --> 0:52:59.800 in Cincinnati, of course, is what the hell is happening 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:03.080 with crime and the police chief? And how is this 0:53:03.120 --> 0:53:06.680 whole thing handled by the way, I say not well, 0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:11.280 I would say horribly by this administration. Julie Bouki, our career, 0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:13.759 Shirpa spent a lifetime in HR. She knows all how 0:53:13.840 --> 0:53:16.360 this stuff should work, and when it doesn't work, she 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:18.160 pokes holes in it. She's going to do that. Next. 0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:21.000 It's Julie on the job, Scott's loan seven hundred wl WT. 0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:26.920 Giving you a vocational leg up on everyone else. 0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:33.080 Here's our career, shirp on it. Julie Bouki, Yeah, man, 0:53:33.320 --> 0:53:35.240 I always love it when a topic comes up, something 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:37.840 comes up that's ripped from the pages of today's headlines. 0:53:37.840 --> 0:53:40.680 And of course that would be what's transpired here in 0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:43.759 the last three days with the chief Terry Thiji. And 0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:47.280 she was summoned backed. You may recall last week from Denver. 0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:50.000 She's at a conference in Denver Police Chiefs conference. They 0:53:50.000 --> 0:53:51.760 tell you got to get come back. We have urgent 0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:55.640 business regarding the safety of Cincinnati. Now what in burgent 0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:58.080 business I was w No one knows because there's really 0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:01.360 nothing happening. Wasn't a shoe like we had a Fountain Square. 0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:04.920 We had the Thursday night occurrence, but that was still 0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.319 being investigated. It wasn't like a big mass casually event 0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:10.279 she had to come back for thank god. And immediately 0:54:10.320 --> 0:54:12.120 it got out that well, they're going to fire her, 0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:15.200 and then it turned into a paid administrative leave and 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:18.440 there were no answers coming from city Hall relative to well, 0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:20.680 what did she do or did she not do that 0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:23.680 caused her her job essentially, and she's hanging limbo. She's 0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:25.920 not been fired, she's still unpaid leave, although we have 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:28.319 an interim chief that's in the fact right now and 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:30.960 the end results are paying her. We had her attorneys 0:54:31.000 --> 0:54:33.800 speak live on the radio yesterday at ten am about 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:37.360 what was transpiring that she actually had. There was no 0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:41.120 cause to do this whatsoever. She was always never really 0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:43.760 anything bad in her record of thirty five years law enforcement. 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:46.520 She's the chief. We have a crime spree. But is 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:49.440 that relative to the policy set forth by this administration 0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:52.160 and raft at pure vault or is that Chief Thigi 0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:54.840 to the point where what does chief Interim Chief Henny 0:54:54.840 --> 0:54:57.520 get you? That Chief Thiji doesn't get you, and no 0:54:57.520 --> 0:55:00.680 one can answer that question. It is a clustered and 0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:03.759 a dumpster fire and a tire fire all in one. 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:06.720 Julie Balk, Welcome back. Good to have you on. Julie 0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:10.040 on the Job, our career SHIPA who is a licensed 0:55:10.080 --> 0:55:12.719 professional in the state of human resources. How are you? 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.239 I would this day that I have opinions, I have 0:55:16.280 --> 0:55:18.760 strong opinions that I'm not willing that I'm not unwilling 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:22.000 to that I'm not unwilling to share. So that's where 0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:26.720 we are, and yeah, you're right. This is first of all, 0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:31.880 anytime you have something that happens at this level in 0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:34.760 a city where everybody's got their hands in the pie 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:38.760 in terms of everybody has a stake. When you really 0:55:38.800 --> 0:55:43.080 think about there's the community, there's the government, there's the FOP, 0:55:43.840 --> 0:55:47.799 there's you know, the police officers, there's there's all these 0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:51.680 different constituencies, the media, in the fact that we do 0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:54.719 have an election for mayor coming up in two weeks, 0:55:55.120 --> 0:55:58.680 there's all of those things. It's almost like they just 0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:02.680 get thrown into a caldron using a Halloween theme and 0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:08.000 stirred up and so there are there's so much we 0:56:08.120 --> 0:56:12.960 don't know here what we do know is that the 0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:18.120 crime problem, whatever your perception of it is, is never 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:23.200 just the fault of one person. But when you are 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:27.839 the leader of an organization, of an organization, you will 0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:32.080 all you will often take the slings and arrows, whether 0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:35.960 you are beloved by your group or not. That's just 0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:41.600 the nature of being in a high level position, in 0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:46.000 a high level position, in a high visibility role, where 0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:48.920 there are so many different people with stakes in it. 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:52.120 And it's you know, I was reading a bunch of 0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:54.000 stuffs and watching a bunch of videos this morning in 0:56:54.040 --> 0:56:57.440 preparation for this and was reminded that the city is 0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:00.520 still in an ongoing dispute with the past fire chief. Yep, 0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:03.239 and that's been continuing. 0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:07.520 And Steven Ann, the guy who represents Terry Fiji, also 0:57:07.680 --> 0:57:11.120 represents former Chief Washington. So it's sound employment and it's 0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:13.960 all battled out in the public eye, unlike typically where 0:57:14.000 --> 0:57:16.280 we all work and where you work, if you're listening, 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:19.200 there may be a regime change, there may be layoffs. 0:57:19.200 --> 0:57:21.040 We just did that, and there's no easy way. We've 0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:23.000 often talked about the fire people. You call up in 0:57:23.080 --> 0:57:25.440 one at a time on firing day and you just 0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:28.000 wait for your name to be called. You bring everybody 0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:30.000 in one big cattle call and fire group of people. 0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:32.960 That's in humane as well. There's no real good way 0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:35.240 to do this. But the way this whole thing is handled, 0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:37.360 because it's in the public eye, it's the government that 0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:40.280 technically works for us because the people are the government 0:57:41.280 --> 0:57:43.600 a lot. I'm safe to say every man and woman 0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:45.960 who's following the story is not pleased at how it's 0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:47.880 been handled so far. So this is a different thing. 0:57:47.920 --> 0:57:50.360 And then, as you mentioned, politics are involved here too, 0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:52.880 because in an election coming up, how does this help 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:55.560 have to add peerval to get re elected or doesn't it. 0:57:55.760 --> 0:57:57.320 I think he thinks he's got in the bag. It 0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:00.600 really doesn't matter. I'm just curious to see what happens 0:58:00.600 --> 0:58:03.120 at this point. Let's get into that, Julie. If you're 0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:06.200 on Terry's team, Terry Thiji, what are you going to 0:58:06.280 --> 0:58:07.520 get out of this? You're not going to get your 0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:08.240 job back, are you. 0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:11.880 Yeah? So, if she were sitting with me right now, 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:16.000 and I've met her several times, you know, but if 0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:21.560 she was asking my advice, very she's asking my advice, 0:58:21.600 --> 0:58:23.120 that's what I would say. I said, what do you 0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:25.680 want out of this. If you get your job back, 0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:32.120 it's going to be under incredibly increased scrutiny and attention. 0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:36.120 You're going to be put back into your job against 0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:39.720 the wishes of the people who are responsible for hiring 0:58:39.800 --> 0:58:42.760 and firing, which you know since two thousand and one 0:58:42.800 --> 0:58:47.000 that falls under the city manager. And so what what 0:58:47.080 --> 0:58:48.920 are you trying to get out of this? I don't 0:58:48.920 --> 0:58:51.480 get the sense. And this is just me kind of 0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:54.440 reading between the lines, which is a little dangerous, but 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:58.520 is that it's not about she's trying to get some 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:04.280 big severance package. It's about I am being targeted for 0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:08.800 something that is not that of course I have some 0:59:08.920 --> 0:59:13.960 responsibility for, but it's not entirely my responsibility. There are 0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:16.960 when you look at these problems that have come up, 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:18.960 And I just want to say that last night I 0:59:19.000 --> 0:59:22.120 lived downtown and last night I was out walking around 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:24.000 and it was dark, and I was down by Fountain 0:59:24.040 --> 0:59:27.600 Square and I saw no less than twelve police officers, 0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:30.800 no less. I was counting them, which then made me say, Okay, 0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:34.640 we know there's a staffing shortage. We know where are 0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:37.200 they not showing up where they need to be showing up? 0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:42.400 And so I'm very sympathetic to It's not her fault. 0:59:42.480 --> 0:59:44.680 It's not the officers on the street. They can't be 0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:48.640 everywhere at once. It's not all the mayor's fault. There's 0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:51.000 a lot of responsibility that lies in the home and 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:55.280 with the community. And any time you have something like 0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:58.720 this that's such a hot potato, you've got Corey Bowman, 0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:04.400 the other candidate for MA chiming in. It's it's almost like, 1:00:04.680 --> 1:00:08.240 and I hate to say this, but in almost every situation, 1:00:08.440 --> 1:00:12.880 even in a corporate situation, someone is going to take 1:00:12.960 --> 1:00:16.840 the fall. Is it right, No, of course not, but 1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:19.760 it is. It is what it is. And I was 1:00:19.800 --> 1:00:21.960 thinking about this because when I back when I was 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:25.520 in HR, we had this guy who he has passed away. 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:27.280 So I always feel like I can tell the story. 1:00:27.320 --> 1:00:30.200 Really he ran the department, and he was just a 1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:35.040 massive creep, like Harvey Weinstein creep, and everybody knew it's 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:38.400 but his numbers were really good, his results were really good, 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:42.480 and so nobody everyone was like, uh huh, huh, huhuh 1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:45.200 when you try to say, here's what's going on. And 1:00:45.240 --> 1:00:47.960 he was supposed to lose Cannon in so many different ways, 1:00:48.280 --> 1:00:53.280 and nobody wanted to hear it because the train was 1:00:53.360 --> 1:00:55.840 running on the tracks at least from a results point. 1:00:56.440 --> 1:00:58.920 The minute the train started go off the tracks, he 1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:02.840 became and I Meannumber one and he was fired. I'm like, Okay, 1:01:03.440 --> 1:01:08.080 you're the same guy doing the same creepy thing today 1:01:08.200 --> 1:01:10.360 that you were yesterday. But now all of a sudden, 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:14.720 you know it's a problem. And so when you know so, 1:01:14.800 --> 1:01:17.600 it's it's human nature. Whether you're in the police department 1:01:17.800 --> 1:01:22.880 or Kroger or anywhere, look at look at the top. 1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:26.800 Person is always in the crosshairs. And you know, I 1:01:26.880 --> 1:01:29.680 was reading through all these things, listening to people's comments, 1:01:29.760 --> 1:01:32.400 people in the community, and there's a lot of support 1:01:32.480 --> 1:01:35.240 for her in the community talking about her policing style. 1:01:35.920 --> 1:01:40.240 But I also saw some videos from you know, our 1:01:40.560 --> 1:01:45.880 buddy Ken Cober talking about his fondness for the interim chief, 1:01:45.920 --> 1:01:50.080 Adam Henny. So that availed message that says, wow, we're 1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:53.320 so glad to have Adam Henny because maybe the leader 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:56.840 the rank and file in the FOP didn't respect her 1:01:56.840 --> 1:02:00.800 as a leader, and the city saying ineffective leadership. And 1:02:00.840 --> 1:02:04.920 so if you're going to lead with that as a 1:02:04.920 --> 1:02:06.920 as a reason, then You've got to be able to 1:02:06.960 --> 1:02:10.080 back that up when this goes to court, because it will. 1:02:10.600 --> 1:02:14.400 Well there's there's the thing is Julie Balugare curusher, but 1:02:15.000 --> 1:02:17.040 Julian on the job this morning, every Wednesday morning, this 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:19.560 time with Sony on seven hundred WLW tell you the 1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:21.320 biggest story, of course, that would be Terry Figi And 1:02:21.320 --> 1:02:23.440 this is perfect for her because it is hr and 1:02:23.440 --> 1:02:25.760 how it's mishandled and how no one knows why the 1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:29.080 reasons why Chief Thiji was well not even fired at this. 1:02:29.320 --> 1:02:32.760 That's the other thing is paid administrative leave. If you're fired, 1:02:32.800 --> 1:02:35.600 you're fired. Why why don't they just drop the X 1:02:35.600 --> 1:02:38.280 and say okay, it's now Adam Henny. That's another thing 1:02:38.360 --> 1:02:39.760 is why prolong this? 1:02:41.600 --> 1:02:44.040 You know? And I don't The thing we don't know 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:47.720 what are the terms of the contract. Someone did say 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:52.440 that in the contract she a couple of things that 1:02:52.480 --> 1:02:55.120 she's entitled to if she were to leave, and I 1:02:55.160 --> 1:02:59.600 don't think Seth is mentioned, so it could be. And 1:02:59.640 --> 1:03:03.880 this is where this is what the previous fire chief. 1:03:05.120 --> 1:03:08.080 One of his claims is I did not get due process. Okay, 1:03:08.360 --> 1:03:10.840 so what does that look like? And so you can 1:03:10.880 --> 1:03:13.720 either when it comes to what is due process? Let's 1:03:13.760 --> 1:03:16.959 say for firing a police chief, for a fire chief. 1:03:17.040 --> 1:03:18.600 Let's just pull this out of the air, because that's 1:03:18.600 --> 1:03:20.320 what we've got in front of it. What does that 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:23.280 look like? What does due process look like? My opinion 1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:25.640 of it might be very different from yours. So is 1:03:25.720 --> 1:03:30.320 that review of all of the reasoning and the evidence 1:03:30.400 --> 1:03:35.200 bipartisan committee? Is that a period of time in which 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:37.880 people get to get their act together, like maybe sixty days, 1:03:37.880 --> 1:03:40.960 where people can gather their thoughts. So what is the purpose? 1:03:41.040 --> 1:03:43.880 There has to be a purpose. I don't know if 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:47.160 they thought when she was being put on paid administrative 1:03:47.240 --> 1:03:50.240 lead that she would quit, but they had to know 1:03:51.920 --> 1:03:55.919 that this was coming no big surprise. And so from 1:03:55.920 --> 1:03:59.320 a strategy standpoint, if you're in the city, you have 1:03:59.400 --> 1:04:01.240 to get in the room home with all the people 1:04:01.240 --> 1:04:04.640 who have their fingers in this and say, okay, so 1:04:04.760 --> 1:04:06.840 what does the contract say? Are we living by the 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:10.120 terms of the contract? And do we generally operate? 1:04:10.240 --> 1:04:10.360 So? 1:04:10.720 --> 1:04:14.920 Are we generally operating the same with everybody? Yes? 1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:16.280 Are we being fair? 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:19.439 What is our evidence that she's an ineffective leader? Who 1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:22.560 says so? And why now not? 1:04:23.080 --> 1:04:26.400 What's the evaluation? And It's like if she's enforcing the 1:04:26.400 --> 1:04:28.880 policies that our policies are placed in by the people 1:04:28.880 --> 1:04:31.840 above her, and she just enforces the policies and the 1:04:31.880 --> 1:04:34.080 dictates of the office, so she doesn't control that. But 1:04:34.160 --> 1:04:35.720 we know that in politics there's a lot of people 1:04:35.720 --> 1:04:37.840 that follow the sword for the people above them, and 1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:40.400 then they're made whole later when no one's paying attention. 1:04:40.520 --> 1:04:43.280 God only knows what that includes. But I also heard 1:04:43.320 --> 1:04:45.960 too that there is no non disclosure agreement here, so 1:04:46.000 --> 1:04:49.080 you got to get her to sign an NDA. And 1:04:49.120 --> 1:04:51.520 as you know, NDAs can be costly because if you're 1:04:51.600 --> 1:04:55.280 cheap thieves, you probably know some things and have evidence 1:04:55.320 --> 1:04:59.439 that are going to make the administration namely share long 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:02.520 the city and most likely have to appear of all 1:05:02.560 --> 1:05:04.600 but others. You've got some dirt there, and and to 1:05:04.640 --> 1:05:07.000 make people like this shut up, you got to cut 1:05:07.000 --> 1:05:09.560 them a big check. So the question is, Julie, how 1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:11.800 big a check are we talking? And am I wrong 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:13.520 about that analysis? 1:05:13.800 --> 1:05:18.040 No, no, you're not wrong. I think that the decision 1:05:18.200 --> 1:05:21.440 before anything happens, before you say get back from Denver 1:05:21.600 --> 1:05:25.000 today instead of two days from now, which seems kind of. 1:05:24.920 --> 1:05:27.120 Like why arbitrary it's arbitrary. 1:05:27.840 --> 1:05:30.400 Yeah, you have to say, okay, what's worst case? Here? 1:05:30.720 --> 1:05:31.640 What it's worst case? 1:05:32.040 --> 1:05:35.080 She sueses, all this stuff becomes public. How do we 1:05:35.920 --> 1:05:38.280 Because if you didn't think she was in a file 1:05:38.280 --> 1:05:41.240 a lawsuit, you have not been paying attention, right, because 1:05:41.240 --> 1:05:44.160 it's and so I don't I don't know. 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:47.680 I mean, it's just it makes the way it looks 1:05:48.200 --> 1:05:50.680 and I always say, okay, we don't know everything, but 1:05:50.720 --> 1:05:54.040 the way it looks to the community is there's a 1:05:54.160 --> 1:05:58.560 handle in a chaotic manner and a non thoughtful that 1:05:58.760 --> 1:06:03.680 brings in the bring that considers all the possible outcomes. 1:06:03.680 --> 1:06:06.760 Because now you potentially have her and a lawsuit sitting 1:06:06.800 --> 1:06:10.640 out there next to Michael Washington's lawsuit which has been 1:06:10.640 --> 1:06:15.200 going on for years now. And now what if they 1:06:15.240 --> 1:06:18.160 have if they end up for a seventh tape? Where's that? 1:06:18.320 --> 1:06:19.479 Where's that money coming from? 1:06:19.680 --> 1:06:21.320 Yeah? I don't know how much longer you can delay. 1:06:21.400 --> 1:06:22.880 You you've been on that side of the desk of 1:06:22.880 --> 1:06:25.680 the NDAs and stuff in this for anyone listening. If 1:06:25.720 --> 1:06:28.200 they trace that, you get fired normally, here's your check, 1:06:28.640 --> 1:06:31.240 here's your two weeks, two months, two years, whatever it is. 1:06:31.240 --> 1:06:32.480 This is what you're and tel we're give you this 1:06:32.760 --> 1:06:35.440 in exchange for this check. Here's this check. Uh, and 1:06:35.480 --> 1:06:37.080 now you just lost your job. You don't have the 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:39.400 future holds. You're probably scared to death. That's they've got 1:06:39.440 --> 1:06:41.640 you in a vulnerable position, which is terrible from a 1:06:41.680 --> 1:06:46.400 negotiation standpoint. But isn't this like just like a contract negotiation, 1:06:46.520 --> 1:06:49.200 the NDA period where you know, if you sign this, 1:06:49.240 --> 1:06:51.600 we'll give you your your two week severance right now. 1:06:52.240 --> 1:06:54.600 Don't sign the check that you can negotiate all that, 1:06:54.600 --> 1:06:54.960 can't you? 1:06:56.760 --> 1:07:00.560 Sometimes, so an NDA is most often us so that 1:07:00.640 --> 1:07:05.120 you don't disclose company secrets. I'm going from one company 1:07:05.200 --> 1:07:08.000 to a competitor. And sometimes there will be like a 1:07:08.040 --> 1:07:11.040 non compete which says you can't work in this market 1:07:11.080 --> 1:07:13.920 for six months or you can't work with people who 1:07:13.960 --> 1:07:17.800 are direct competitors for twelve months. So that's general, there's 1:07:17.800 --> 1:07:19.400 a non compete. But then there's also a lot of 1:07:19.400 --> 1:07:23.080 times an NDA, which means you're not going to run 1:07:23.120 --> 1:07:26.000 over to even if you don't go work for a competitor, 1:07:26.000 --> 1:07:28.080 you're not going to call them up and say, hey, 1:07:28.640 --> 1:07:30.360 I got a bunch of company secrets here I'm going 1:07:30.400 --> 1:07:33.560 to share with you. So those are to me, especially 1:07:33.600 --> 1:07:38.320 if NDA is very reasonable. Now when and clause it. Now, again, 1:07:38.360 --> 1:07:40.320 I'm not an attorney. This is just based on you know, 1:07:40.440 --> 1:07:45.840 to what I've seen. When you say, when you say so, 1:07:45.880 --> 1:07:48.160 then they'll they'll look at if I said no non 1:07:48.160 --> 1:07:53.400 compete for two years, does that interfere with your ability 1:07:53.480 --> 1:07:56.160 to make a living? And in a lot of cases 1:07:56.200 --> 1:07:59.080 it does. Two years is too long. So NDA they 1:07:59.120 --> 1:08:02.280 had in it a non disparagement clause which says you 1:08:02.320 --> 1:08:05.200 will not speak ill of this company. And a lot 1:08:05.240 --> 1:08:08.640 of big companies, a lot of women back when all 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:11.040 this me too stuff was going on was really coming out, 1:08:11.520 --> 1:08:14.840 they got big payouts and they find an NDA they 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:16.240 would not dispair it. 1:08:16.080 --> 1:08:18.280 But it's a big payout. The question is how big 1:08:18.320 --> 1:08:21.240 a payout, meaning how much money are the taxpayer is 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:23.800 going to have to foot the bill for this malefeasons 1:08:23.800 --> 1:08:24.560 and incompetence. 1:08:25.960 --> 1:08:28.400 Yeah, so I don't I think it could have been 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:31.679 handled better. But I also say that because I also 1:08:32.040 --> 1:08:34.840 am always very careful because we don't know the whole 1:08:34.880 --> 1:08:39.559 story from from we don't know everything. We can only 1:08:39.600 --> 1:08:41.599 take which put out. But then again, the other thing 1:08:41.680 --> 1:08:44.800 that is you're out there if you're a city manager. 1:08:45.640 --> 1:08:49.800 You have to so carefully manage what you put out, 1:08:49.960 --> 1:08:53.040 what you say. Everybody has to be on the same page, 1:08:53.560 --> 1:08:56.040 and you have to anticipate all these things and be 1:08:56.120 --> 1:08:59.920 ready for them. If not, you just have a dumpter fire. 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:02.640 I'll leave it at that. The problem is politics, and 1:09:02.680 --> 1:09:04.800 of course you know, people just continue to vote blue 1:09:04.960 --> 1:09:07.320 in Hamblin County and get what they get, and the 1:09:07.320 --> 1:09:10.080 same people complain about the people who voted red. And 1:09:10.120 --> 1:09:12.720 we had protests down at the riverfront this weekend over, 1:09:12.920 --> 1:09:15.200 but turn that mirror around. How much of the parallels 1:09:15.200 --> 1:09:17.320 how mauch stuff you bitching about Trump is after have 1:09:17.400 --> 1:09:21.439 purevolt doing. There's there's there's the ven diagram, there's some carryover. 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:24.240 Julie Balkie, Julie on the job every Wednesday morning. She's 1:09:24.280 --> 1:09:26.920 at the Buki Group b a UK career coach and 1:09:26.960 --> 1:09:29.680 Consultants b a UK is how you spelled her name 1:09:29.680 --> 1:09:32.040 by the barkiegroup dot com. She got a whole team 1:09:32.080 --> 1:09:33.679 ready to go to work for you. Have a great week. 1:09:33.720 --> 1:09:35.880 We'll talk next Wednesday. By then we probably still won't 1:09:35.920 --> 1:09:37.559 have this thing settled. We'll talk about it one more. 1:09:37.600 --> 1:09:39.800 We'll just read we'll just rehash this for the next 1:09:39.840 --> 1:09:42.559 three wednesdays to decide what they're doing. Fair enough, be well, 1:09:42.600 --> 1:09:44.599 take care, thank you. Got to get to a news update. 1:09:44.920 --> 1:09:46.559 It's a Scott Sloan show on the home of the 1:09:46.560 --> 1:09:49.640 Best Bengals coverage Ring of Honor Week in Cincinnati on 1:09:49.680 --> 1:09:55.599 seven hundred wwant to It's Scott's Looning on seven hundred 1:09:55.640 --> 1:09:58.760 WWN streaming on the iHeartRadio app. Make sure you take 1:09:58.840 --> 1:10:00.640 us through the gowhere we are. We're there with you, 1:10:00.920 --> 1:10:04.320 We got you, we got you. All right, Fiji Talk. 1:10:04.400 --> 1:10:07.280 We continue that and that has really overshadowed things for 1:10:07.280 --> 1:10:09.080 most of the week, at least this early half of 1:10:09.120 --> 1:10:12.519 the week. But we also have other things going on, 1:10:13.160 --> 1:10:15.640 trouble brewing here on It's been kind of going on 1:10:15.840 --> 1:10:17.760 well for the last few days here, starting last week. 1:10:17.800 --> 1:10:21.600 I'm not kind of Republican Dave Young's office is investigating 1:10:21.600 --> 1:10:24.160 the image of an American flag with the stripes bent 1:10:24.200 --> 1:10:26.040 to form of swastika. I'm sure you saw the images 1:10:26.080 --> 1:10:28.840 by now that was caught in Cameron a zoom meeting 1:10:29.120 --> 1:10:33.200 in this congressional staffer's office. So next to the shutdown, 1:10:33.400 --> 1:10:36.000 this political scandal is kind of consuming Washington, not just 1:10:36.120 --> 1:10:38.600 what it's going on in Dave Young's office, but the 1:10:38.840 --> 1:10:41.519 what almost three thousand pages of leak chats revealing that 1:10:41.560 --> 1:10:43.880 the leaders and the Young Republicans traded a bunch of 1:10:44.160 --> 1:10:47.880 pretty horrific words and statements which they thought would never 1:10:47.920 --> 1:10:49.880 make the eye of public, the light of public eye, 1:10:50.439 --> 1:10:53.519 seeing the light, so to speak. It was in chambers, 1:10:53.520 --> 1:10:56.320 and it was in a chat group, and yet we've 1:10:56.360 --> 1:11:00.000 seen stuff like this leak out before. The problem is, again, 1:11:00.160 --> 1:11:02.280 it just if you're you know, don't like the GOP, 1:11:02.400 --> 1:11:04.640 you don't like Republicans, you don't like Trump, this just 1:11:04.640 --> 1:11:07.040 gives you more ammo to hate on them, and you 1:11:07.040 --> 1:11:08.840 wonder what the reaction of is this whole thing. You've 1:11:08.840 --> 1:11:11.720 got some of these GOP Young GOP chapters disbanding within 1:11:11.880 --> 1:11:14.519 hours because of this. And I know the Vice President 1:11:14.720 --> 1:11:17.000 Jade Vance brushed it off as kids being edgy, but 1:11:17.080 --> 1:11:20.240 there's some bipartisan outrage out there, and when you have 1:11:20.280 --> 1:11:22.760 bipartisanship in a divided government, that says a lot. Her 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:26.599 name is Victoria Churchill. She's a political reporter for dailymail 1:11:26.640 --> 1:11:28.800 dot Com. First broke the key details of this story. 1:11:28.880 --> 1:11:31.400 She's also writes your young voices Victoria, welcome, how are. 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:35.120 You hi, good morning, Thanks so much to be Thank 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:36.479 you so much for having me. Great to be honest 1:11:36.439 --> 1:11:36.720 with you. 1:11:37.479 --> 1:11:40.320 And it's interesting to watch how this is breaking. Republicans 1:11:40.360 --> 1:11:44.200 across the country are confronting whether to denounce this or 1:11:44.240 --> 1:11:46.679 deflect it, and we're seeing it kind of break both 1:11:46.720 --> 1:11:50.320 ways right now, because some are going, well, this is 1:11:50.360 --> 1:11:52.400 the worst thing ever. Others are going, well, yeah, but 1:11:52.479 --> 1:11:56.120 the Democrats did this, And you know the problem for 1:11:56.200 --> 1:11:59.559 Republicans is it just gives more ammo to Democrats who say, well, 1:12:00.040 --> 1:12:01.599 this is what you wind up voting for. It's all 1:12:01.640 --> 1:12:02.440 white supremacy. 1:12:04.640 --> 1:12:06.479 Well, you know, I just want to start off by 1:12:06.520 --> 1:12:09.720 saying the political rhetoric needs to be toned down on 1:12:09.800 --> 1:12:13.040 both sides of the isle. I think that's something we're seeing, 1:12:13.080 --> 1:12:16.240 and you know, especially after the assassination and you know, 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:18.080 of course, let's call it what it is, the assassination 1:12:18.120 --> 1:12:19.479 of Charlie Kirk was last month. 1:12:19.600 --> 1:12:21.120 Yeah, we need. 1:12:20.960 --> 1:12:24.120 To tone down the rhetoric. However, I do want to 1:12:24.120 --> 1:12:26.760 point out a key differences between the general factors of 1:12:26.800 --> 1:12:31.120 the publican particular office, so you know, the young Republicans 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:33.960 and just to be clear for your audience. Young Republicans 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:36.680 are between the ages of eighteen and forty, so you know, 1:12:36.800 --> 1:12:39.479 I know, Vice President of Fans tried to brush them 1:12:39.479 --> 1:12:41.800 off as college kids. These are not college kids, at 1:12:41.840 --> 1:12:44.439 least not most of them. Most of them have jobs, 1:12:44.439 --> 1:12:47.160 some of them pull elected office, other serve as very 1:12:47.200 --> 1:12:51.240 secret positions or other elective members or you know, I 1:12:51.240 --> 1:12:55.120 guess it's before they were fired resigns, however you want 1:12:55.120 --> 1:12:58.200 to frame that they are no longer the position. And 1:12:58.240 --> 1:13:00.920 I think that's the very key part of this is 1:13:00.920 --> 1:13:03.599 because when we compare this as the Vice President did, 1:13:03.600 --> 1:13:05.040 which you know, I think is more or less a 1:13:05.080 --> 1:13:08.120 fair comparits, and comparing this to the J. Jones Tech 1:13:08.200 --> 1:13:11.120 candle that we're dealing with in Virginia. I love in Virginia. 1:13:11.160 --> 1:13:13.679 I covered some Virginia politics. Of course. That was the 1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:17.439 Democrat candidate for attorney general. He had some text messages 1:13:17.479 --> 1:13:20.400 revealed that he, you know, wished death not only on 1:13:20.479 --> 1:13:24.479 his opponent Ben Todds, Speaker or then House Speaker Todd Gilbert, 1:13:24.520 --> 1:13:26.840 the Republican Speaker of the House in a couple of 1:13:26.880 --> 1:13:29.599 years ago in Virginia, but also on his children, which 1:13:29.640 --> 1:13:32.120 you know, to me, that's even more disgusting if you 1:13:32.120 --> 1:13:35.920 can even grade that kind of thing. But you know, again, 1:13:36.280 --> 1:13:38.840 j Jones is still running for office, and he's been 1:13:39.400 --> 1:13:42.880 backed up by senior Democrats. But I believe both of 1:13:42.920 --> 1:13:48.519 our US senators in Virginia, Kim Kaine, Mark Warner, they're 1:13:48.520 --> 1:13:50.639 really egging him on. They're saying, yeah, the text are bad, 1:13:50.840 --> 1:13:53.040 but they still want this man to hold elected office. 1:13:53.400 --> 1:13:55.800 On the Republican side, Republicans have come out and said, 1:13:56.040 --> 1:14:00.400 these people are not representative of our party, the place 1:14:00.400 --> 1:14:03.160 in leadership, if the thing at all, because a lot 1:14:03.160 --> 1:14:06.080 of the times your Republican chasters, like I said, you know, 1:14:06.080 --> 1:14:08.160 a lot of them hold elected office or work for 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:10.400 elected officials, but even more of them. You know, it's 1:14:10.400 --> 1:14:13.320 supposed to be kind of a talent pipeline for Republican 1:14:13.360 --> 1:14:17.599 leaders of Publican candidates all over the country. Really, and 1:14:17.640 --> 1:14:19.000 you know, I think that that's part of why the 1:14:19.040 --> 1:14:24.360 story is so big, is that you have dangerous ideologies 1:14:24.360 --> 1:14:27.760 on both sides. That of course, I'm all for free speech, right, 1:14:27.920 --> 1:14:31.439 but you know, I think in a free speech situation, 1:14:31.960 --> 1:14:34.600 this is actually better because people can speak, really, and 1:14:34.640 --> 1:14:37.920 then people can judge these individuals that say things that 1:14:37.960 --> 1:14:43.040 you know, I personally find morally reprehensible, abhorrent all those things. 1:14:42.760 --> 1:14:45.679 Right, I think, and I think, you know jd. Vance 1:14:45.800 --> 1:14:47.120 is he's right about one thing where he says, I 1:14:47.160 --> 1:14:49.760 refuse to join the pro clutching when powerful people call 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:53.200 for political violence. You know, the what about ism as 1:14:53.240 --> 1:14:55.400 you mentioned in politics, the what about as it means 1:14:55.439 --> 1:14:58.040 once that always downplays what they're sick of fans do 1:14:58.560 --> 1:15:00.400 as they rail against their enemies. When they do it, 1:15:00.960 --> 1:15:04.479 you know, on the left, embracing anti Semitism for example, 1:15:04.560 --> 1:15:07.880 or Kirk's assassination, how is this any different? And so 1:15:07.960 --> 1:15:10.240 I think when that happens on both sides, as you mentioned, 1:15:10.479 --> 1:15:12.840 I think the rest of the electorate, most of us go, well, 1:15:13.360 --> 1:15:15.320 if you're not going to change it, we can't change 1:15:15.360 --> 1:15:18.040 it either. And it's just the latest insult I suppose 1:15:18.120 --> 1:15:22.360 to our sensibilities and tolerances, and we're I don't see 1:15:22.360 --> 1:15:23.960 it getting better. I just see this being more of 1:15:23.960 --> 1:15:24.320 the same. 1:15:26.200 --> 1:15:29.440 Well, you know, again, I think sunlight is the best disinfected. 1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:32.880 I think the only way to get what I consider 1:15:33.000 --> 1:15:36.800 to be bad ideas out is to talk about them, 1:15:36.840 --> 1:15:41.800 and is to have conversations, you know, publicize and again 1:15:42.000 --> 1:15:44.640 views that I think should not really have grounding in 1:15:44.640 --> 1:15:47.360 our political rhetoric today. The only way to get them 1:15:47.360 --> 1:15:50.800 out is to have these pervations. Now kind of on 1:15:50.840 --> 1:15:52.840 the flip side, Actually, some of my reporting that I 1:15:52.880 --> 1:15:57.000 did on the text method scandal was that, at least 1:15:57.000 --> 1:15:59.160 by the evidence that I've seen and that my colleagues 1:15:59.160 --> 1:16:04.040 put into that store, these texts were actually coerced. And 1:16:04.520 --> 1:16:07.200 so you know, there may have been some very shady 1:16:07.280 --> 1:16:09.840 kind of back room feeling. You know, one of the 1:16:09.880 --> 1:16:12.880 individuals he has come out with illegal off of David, 1:16:13.439 --> 1:16:16.320 which is available. You know that he was basically coerced 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:21.040 into releasing these text messages. And you know, again I 1:16:21.040 --> 1:16:22.960 think that's the other side of it, which we should 1:16:23.000 --> 1:16:26.000 also talk about, is that doing it is one thing, 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:30.960 which again I denounced wholeheartedly, but coercing somebody to get 1:16:31.000 --> 1:16:35.840 that information out is so in my view not Okay. 1:16:36.160 --> 1:16:38.280 Yeah, that's interesting. Is one may ask, well, how did 1:16:38.280 --> 1:16:40.280 all this I mean, it's been on for a few years. 1:16:40.280 --> 1:16:43.479 Here you're talking twenty eight thousand messages. Wow, months, I 1:16:43.479 --> 1:16:48.040 guess they surely twenty thousand message over seven months, that's 1:16:48.080 --> 1:16:50.000 a lot of information get dumped and all of a sudden, 1:16:50.040 --> 1:16:52.639 somebody turns and says, hey, we've got all this stuff. 1:16:53.160 --> 1:16:55.280 That feels like the reason why someon would say this 1:16:55.320 --> 1:16:58.400 is because either they are outed or discovered, or someone 1:16:58.520 --> 1:17:01.519 had some information inside and knew this was going on 1:17:01.600 --> 1:17:04.479 and basically wanted to expose in blackmail them in a way. 1:17:04.520 --> 1:17:05.719 Is that kind of what you're talking about. 1:17:06.840 --> 1:17:09.240 Yeah, Again, that's the evidence that I've seen leads me 1:17:09.280 --> 1:17:11.840 to have that conclusion. Again, that legal Affidavid as well 1:17:11.880 --> 1:17:14.400 as you have some conversations I've had to have disease. Obviously, 1:17:14.439 --> 1:17:18.120 don't want to out anybody on there, you know, because 1:17:18.160 --> 1:17:19.920 I was able to kind of you know, conceal their 1:17:19.960 --> 1:17:22.439 identities for the purposes of the story and my reporting. 1:17:23.680 --> 1:17:25.720 But yeah, you know, it does really seem to me, 1:17:25.960 --> 1:17:29.160 like you know, of course the people that said it 1:17:28.760 --> 1:17:33.160 are horrible in doing that. But again, I think the 1:17:33.160 --> 1:17:36.000 blackmail that led to the release of these text messages 1:17:36.080 --> 1:17:38.720 and that you know, in our digging, we found out 1:17:38.800 --> 1:17:43.720 that actually these text messages got out in August and 1:17:43.760 --> 1:17:47.479 there was effort within the GOP to you know, stem 1:17:47.520 --> 1:17:50.360 if not completely, kind of nullify the release of these 1:17:51.320 --> 1:17:53.360 because it seems to me, again at least based on 1:17:53.439 --> 1:17:56.080 my reporting that I've done, that it was really a 1:17:56.479 --> 1:18:01.080 personally motivated attack from one individual to another. One individual 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:04.200 described this, you know, kind of as a vendetta that 1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:07.760 the person who either directly or indirectly you lead these 1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:12.599 messages was responsible for. And you know, again, that kind 1:18:12.600 --> 1:18:16.280 of raises the question of you know, who do you trust, 1:18:16.320 --> 1:18:20.240 who do you trust to go out and have conversations with, 1:18:21.520 --> 1:18:24.320 because you never know when not a person might stab 1:18:24.320 --> 1:18:26.360 you in the back and release saying you know again, 1:18:26.400 --> 1:18:28.439 of course I personally think that they should have never 1:18:28.479 --> 1:18:32.920 been said in the first place. But Wellori is also 1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:33.599 pretty discossed. 1:18:33.600 --> 1:18:35.639 I think Victoria Church, I think both things can be true. 1:18:35.680 --> 1:18:37.800 That this could be blackmail, that could be I don't know, 1:18:37.840 --> 1:18:39.880 maybe a relationship gone wrong and said hey, I got 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:41.719 the goods on you and trying to hold someone hostage. 1:18:41.760 --> 1:18:45.000 That's that's criminal as well. But also that can be 1:18:45.000 --> 1:18:47.280 true the fact that the twenty thousand messages had a 1:18:47.280 --> 1:18:49.880 lot of vile things on there. When you start talking 1:18:49.880 --> 1:18:53.679 about you know, calling Generation Z Generation icon and one 1:18:53.720 --> 1:18:55.720 staff or from a i think New York State and 1:18:55.760 --> 1:18:58.560 Assembly Member's chief of staff got fired for saying I 1:18:58.600 --> 1:19:00.840 love Hitler, and then everyone one that votes know on 1:19:00.840 --> 1:19:02.960 this particular bill is going to the gas chamber. And 1:19:03.000 --> 1:19:05.000 there are far worse things in there that I can't repeat. 1:19:05.800 --> 1:19:07.960 And there's some threads you look at you go, wow, 1:19:08.000 --> 1:19:11.280 that's that's pretty harsh. But out of those twenty eight thousand, 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:14.840 I'll back up a second, because I think that Assembly member, 1:19:15.120 --> 1:19:17.679 that chief of staff and others are going, well, I'm 1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:19.280 not even sure I said that. I think it might 1:19:19.320 --> 1:19:21.920 have been doctored or altered that some of the claims 1:19:21.920 --> 1:19:26.080 going on. Is that revisionism or is there some possible 1:19:26.080 --> 1:19:28.439 basis in reality in that it sounds like we're going, no, 1:19:28.640 --> 1:19:30.599 that didn't really It sounds like my pillow guy kind 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:31.360 of talk, you know what I mean. 1:19:32.800 --> 1:19:35.040 So I think the fact that he has taken responsibility 1:19:35.080 --> 1:19:37.400 for that is good. I also know that the way 1:19:37.439 --> 1:19:40.840 that those messages came out in that original political story 1:19:41.520 --> 1:19:44.479 is that, you know, I guess when you download a 1:19:44.640 --> 1:19:48.120 history of messages from telegram, they do not come out, 1:19:48.160 --> 1:19:49.680 you know, and kind of the way that they were 1:19:49.680 --> 1:19:51.960 portrayed in the story, or when you look at text messages, 1:19:51.960 --> 1:19:54.920 you know, between people, and so the actual images that 1:19:54.920 --> 1:19:57.840 we're in that political article are recreations, and you know, 1:19:58.160 --> 1:20:01.000 I think they've been pretty forward about that. And you know, 1:20:01.040 --> 1:20:04.200 even an information that's come back since then, allegedly a 1:20:04.200 --> 1:20:08.000 text message leaks between the reporter that was working on 1:20:08.040 --> 1:20:10.600 this story and the individual you know again who I 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:13.600 believe is responsible for getting this information out. You know, 1:20:13.640 --> 1:20:18.360 like I said, whether directly or indirectly, those actual images 1:20:18.400 --> 1:20:21.960 are recreations. And so I don't know if out of 1:20:22.000 --> 1:20:26.599 twenty thousand messages, if they are direct recreations, gotcha. 1:20:27.680 --> 1:20:29.960 Yeah, And I guess that's probably parsing a little bit, going, well, 1:20:29.960 --> 1:20:32.120 these aren't the actual well, of course not, because the 1:20:32.160 --> 1:20:34.600 graphics have to look better, and it's also being condensed 1:20:34.640 --> 1:20:36.760 for the reader. I mean, you read through twenty eight 1:20:36.760 --> 1:20:39.080 thousand messages. I'm not sure of all of them rose 1:20:39.120 --> 1:20:40.920 to the level of what we're talking about here. Probably 1:20:40.920 --> 1:20:42.240 most of it was pretty boring stuff. 1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:46.760 Yeah, absolutely, And again, you know, recreating text messages is 1:20:46.840 --> 1:20:49.920 the context of sital journalism is not in itself nefarious 1:20:50.000 --> 1:20:52.839 like we've you know, actually on this Changeos text scandal. 1:20:53.200 --> 1:20:55.559 We did a follow up story that was told to 1:20:55.560 --> 1:20:58.599 me by a grassroots group at activin Virginia. They had 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:01.840 been out get out the Vote text messages about the 1:21:01.960 --> 1:21:04.880 JJ's text scandal to what they identified as a universe 1:21:04.920 --> 1:21:07.840 of soft Democrat voters, and they got death threats to 1:21:07.960 --> 1:21:11.600 the Republicans back to those Jajones text messages, and we 1:21:11.680 --> 1:21:14.000 did a story recreuitting those responses that they got, so 1:21:14.000 --> 1:21:18.080 again kind of in itself out as the area. And 1:21:18.240 --> 1:21:21.479 you know, yeah, if we've recreated text messages, they've recreated 1:21:21.520 --> 1:21:25.200 text messages with that nasty text messages. It's all. It's all, 1:21:25.240 --> 1:21:26.680 you know, there's definitely a lot of thinking to be 1:21:26.840 --> 1:21:27.200 out a bit. 1:21:27.240 --> 1:21:29.599 Yeah, Yeah, you're highlighting the juicy parts of the novel, 1:21:29.680 --> 1:21:31.360 is what you're doing here. You're not you're trying to 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:33.120 manipulate it or anything like that. You're just trying to 1:21:33.680 --> 1:21:36.080 cut of the chase, give me the story. Not all 1:21:36.080 --> 1:21:38.360 twenty eight thousand were bad, but certainly enough of them 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:40.720 none to make this into a story. Do you think 1:21:40.720 --> 1:21:44.479 that the shutdown helps or hurts that the focus the 1:21:44.560 --> 1:21:47.599 narrative this? I mean, because the shutdown is such a story, 1:21:47.640 --> 1:21:50.080 does this overshadow what you're reporting here? Or is it 1:21:50.120 --> 1:21:52.240 the other way around? Because nothing's happening in DC that 1:21:52.479 --> 1:21:53.560 people are paying attention to this. 1:21:54.880 --> 1:21:57.360 Well, I will say from my personal bandwidth as a 1:21:57.400 --> 1:22:00.360 reporter that is typically on Capitol Hill, I've been recording 1:22:00.360 --> 1:22:02.320 on this because I'm not covering day to day going 1:22:02.400 --> 1:22:05.200 on on Capitol Hill. So you know, for me personally, 1:22:05.240 --> 1:22:07.320 I've been able to shift my attention to covering this. 1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:10.719 I think it is, you know, equally as important because 1:22:11.200 --> 1:22:13.040 you know, one is the now of our politics. One 1:22:13.080 --> 1:22:15.280 is the future of our politics, whether that's in Virginia. 1:22:15.360 --> 1:22:17.439 You know ballants that are being cast for these candidates 1:22:17.479 --> 1:22:20.479 right now, and again, you know, these individuals that were 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:23.960 involved in the Younger lookin Tech scandal, they also are 1:22:24.000 --> 1:22:28.559 people that serve in positions that are politically important, whether 1:22:28.680 --> 1:22:30.960 that's in their home states in New York or their 1:22:30.960 --> 1:22:33.800 places around the country. So, you know, in terms of 1:22:34.040 --> 1:22:37.920 national media attention, I'm not sure if they would have 1:22:37.960 --> 1:22:40.720 gotten that much, but in terms of importance, and you know, 1:22:40.800 --> 1:22:42.960 kind of my background before I became reporter, I actually 1:22:43.000 --> 1:22:45.920 worked in grassroots and so I've personally always been of 1:22:45.920 --> 1:22:48.639 the mindset that what happens in grassroots is very important 1:22:48.720 --> 1:22:50.439 for the future of our nation, for the future of 1:22:50.439 --> 1:22:52.960 our country, and for the future of both political parties, 1:22:53.000 --> 1:22:55.919 and so in my reporting, I actually have a tendency 1:22:56.040 --> 1:22:59.080 to share those grassroots stories that not many other reporters, 1:22:59.080 --> 1:23:02.080 particularly in dec he even actually think is worth paying 1:23:02.080 --> 1:23:04.719 attention to. Sure and you know, again, just just another 1:23:04.800 --> 1:23:07.559 quick note on that, Actually this political story was done 1:23:08.040 --> 1:23:10.960 by two reporters out of New York. So that's another 1:23:11.200 --> 1:23:14.080 interesting kid bit that I kind of found is that, 1:23:14.160 --> 1:23:16.280 you know, it also concerns a lot of things in 1:23:16.360 --> 1:23:20.559 DC nationally. But the reporter that kind of interacted with 1:23:20.600 --> 1:23:22.640 this individual, who you know again I believe is the 1:23:22.640 --> 1:23:28.000 alleged leaker, They are a New York political reporter. And 1:23:28.000 --> 1:23:30.560 then the secondary reporter that was on that story is 1:23:30.600 --> 1:23:32.920 the head of all of politicals covering Sport, New York. 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:33.320 Gotcha. 1:23:33.840 --> 1:23:36.360 You know again, I think those reporters may have, you know, 1:23:36.640 --> 1:23:39.519 because they're not necessarily DP reporters, that story would have 1:23:39.600 --> 1:23:42.519 probably still come out, is at least my view. 1:23:42.840 --> 1:23:46.320 Yeah, Victoria Churchill political report for Daily Mail. They broke 1:23:46.360 --> 1:23:48.280 key details of the story. She also is a Young 1:23:48.360 --> 1:23:51.040 Voices contributor joining the show this morning about the text 1:23:51.080 --> 1:23:54.800 message scandal. Chris's conspective. Claremont County Republican Dave Young's office 1:23:54.840 --> 1:23:58.439 where there's a swastika an American flag with a stripture 1:23:58.479 --> 1:24:00.760 bet to form of swastika behind this individual caught on 1:24:00.800 --> 1:24:03.559 camera and that's in a staffer's office, and he said, well, 1:24:03.600 --> 1:24:06.400 we're gonna investigate this and find out what's really going on, 1:24:06.800 --> 1:24:08.800 which tells me this is more lot. Let's see which 1:24:08.800 --> 1:24:12.560 way the wind blows politically speaking, because that's how politics works. Victoria, 1:24:12.680 --> 1:24:14.360 looking forward, do you think the scandal is going to 1:24:14.479 --> 1:24:17.080 lead to change and how maybe not the GOP but 1:24:17.160 --> 1:24:19.719 the Dems too, because it's not like they're their poop 1:24:19.760 --> 1:24:21.720 doesn't stink in this either, not with this case, but 1:24:21.760 --> 1:24:24.320 on others. Is this Are we just going to get 1:24:24.320 --> 1:24:26.840 more of the same. I don't really feel like people 1:24:26.880 --> 1:24:28.080 are outraged over this. 1:24:30.320 --> 1:24:32.320 Yeah, you know, that's a good question. I started off 1:24:32.400 --> 1:24:34.760 the segment talking about how the rhetoric needs to be 1:24:34.800 --> 1:24:37.920 turned down on both sides. Well people actually do that, 1:24:38.040 --> 1:24:39.960 you know, I think that's a big question that remains 1:24:40.040 --> 1:24:42.679 to be seen. And you know, for me as a reporter, 1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:44.920 I'm very interested in reporting on the feature of this 1:24:45.640 --> 1:24:48.559 because again, a lot of these this runtors that I've seen, 1:24:48.560 --> 1:24:50.800 you know, again, even particulately about day Jones and not 1:24:51.200 --> 1:24:54.400 condemning him, I think is outwardly as some Democrats could 1:24:54.520 --> 1:24:57.559 have been should have been my personal view, I think 1:24:57.760 --> 1:24:59.680 to me that means that they learn nothing from the 1:24:59.720 --> 1:25:03.760 car right, yeah, or the. 1:25:03.880 --> 1:25:07.280 You know, anti Semitism with what's happening in the Middle East, 1:25:07.320 --> 1:25:09.799 and it's just you know that this is the latest scandal. 1:25:10.000 --> 1:25:12.360 Tomorrow maybe another Republican or or it might be a 1:25:12.360 --> 1:25:15.000 Democrat that's caught up in something, and you know, saying 1:25:15.040 --> 1:25:18.559 this is part of the edge lord culture. I understand that, 1:25:19.040 --> 1:25:21.519 and I wonder if these people really believe that are 1:25:21.520 --> 1:25:22.960 just doing it to be edgy and a chat group. 1:25:23.000 --> 1:25:25.080 But again, you've got to be smarter than putting your 1:25:25.120 --> 1:25:27.960 words down and telegram or whatever the the app of 1:25:28.000 --> 1:25:31.000 the platform is, because if somebody sees that a later date, 1:25:31.040 --> 1:25:33.679 well you're going to have what's going on right here? Victoria, 1:25:33.720 --> 1:25:35.599 all the best, thanks for joining the show. I appreciate it. 1:25:35.640 --> 1:25:35.920 Thank you. 1:25:37.240 --> 1:25:39.360 Yeah, the conversations you had were in defense when I 1:25:39.439 --> 1:25:41.840 understand that there's well it's online. You know, people are 1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:44.120 hiding by the keyboard. They never expected these things to 1:25:44.840 --> 1:25:46.920 But I'm sorry if you're you're calling yourself a future 1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:52.120 leader of America party being that stupid that and putting 1:25:52.160 --> 1:25:56.120 those words down. Even if you are JKA, they're going 1:25:56.200 --> 1:25:58.320 to turn that around and running out of town as well. 1:25:58.320 --> 1:26:00.559 They should. It's more of the stupidity is what it is, 1:26:00.600 --> 1:26:03.840 than anything, and also just the the nature of the 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:08.120 conversations themselves are not only cringey, but extremely extremely wrong. 1:26:08.240 --> 1:26:11.040 For that matter, for anyone who professes their love of country, 1:26:11.080 --> 1:26:12.720 I want to lead this nation, even if they were 1:26:12.800 --> 1:26:15.400 just kidding. You're less than five minutes away from a 1:26:15.439 --> 1:26:18.360 full news update traffic, weather, and the very latest from 1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:20.639 here and around the world, of course, and then we 1:26:20.640 --> 1:26:22.960 we sat after that because our good friend Sarah Lease 1:26:23.080 --> 1:26:26.679 is in midweek sports. The Snort Reports is just ahead 1:26:26.920 --> 1:26:45.160 on seven hundred WLW. 1:26:46.360 --> 1:26:51.479 Oh my god, how about Dave, your producer giving you 1:26:51.600 --> 1:26:54.479 a hard time? Oh my god, you're just trying to 1:26:54.479 --> 1:26:56.680 get around here without the boot and the scooter and 1:26:56.720 --> 1:26:57.240 the whole thing. 1:26:57.880 --> 1:27:03.840 It's it's almost I'm happy, almost noon. I'm happy. It's 1:27:03.880 --> 1:27:04.720 almost time to leave. 1:27:04.880 --> 1:27:06.599 Yeah, it's almost time for me to get out of here. 1:27:06.640 --> 1:27:10.760 I've got cyclones, media day, I got the jersey on 1:27:10.840 --> 1:27:11.960 and everything, like. 1:27:11.920 --> 1:27:13.960 Some sort of lace collar. You look like if Judge 1:27:14.040 --> 1:27:15.479 Judy were going to a hockey game. 1:27:16.400 --> 1:27:19.559 I gotta make it a little sexy, a little lacey 1:27:19.680 --> 1:27:20.880 with my jersey today. 1:27:21.400 --> 1:27:23.320 You don't have a cut down the middle of John. 1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:27.640 You're disgusting. Do that around here. I can't do that 1:27:27.680 --> 1:27:29.839 around here. I can't look cute. You guys are all creeps. 1:27:31.280 --> 1:27:34.479 I'm covered up all the time. It's a bunch of 1:27:34.479 --> 1:27:35.920 weirdos around here. 1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:41.080 Yeah, we do have a lot of creepture. 1:27:41.800 --> 1:27:44.120 I show no skin. I dress like a nun. Okay, 1:27:45.040 --> 1:27:46.880 I do I look like a nun around here? First 1:27:46.880 --> 1:27:47.759 of all, it's freezing. 1:27:49.600 --> 1:27:52.439 On her Instagram, it looks like she looks like it's 1:27:52.960 --> 1:27:55.439 it's only fans she comes in here. She's dressed like 1:27:55.520 --> 1:27:58.240 she's I don't Muslim or something like that. Got she's 1:27:58.280 --> 1:28:00.040 got his job on. It's it's a. 1:28:00.040 --> 1:28:02.719 Believable All you see every day are just my eyes. 1:28:03.080 --> 1:28:05.519 Share is here. It's a snort report on seven hundred 1:28:05.520 --> 1:28:08.160 ww we're already three snorts in. We haven't done anything yet. 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:08.559 This is fair. 1:28:08.680 --> 1:28:09.840 It's one of those days. 1:28:09.880 --> 1:28:11.120 I love it. I love it. 1:28:11.240 --> 1:28:13.760 Someone that we are seeing in about in Cincinnati, Joe 1:28:13.800 --> 1:28:16.639 Flacco about the flack flack around? 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:17.280 What's he doing? 1:28:17.360 --> 1:28:19.280 Are we on the flack flat around and find out 1:28:19.360 --> 1:28:20.760 flack around and find out better? 1:28:20.760 --> 1:28:21.320 Get Flacco? 1:28:22.760 --> 1:28:25.080 I mean, the possibilities are endless, fantastic. How do we 1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:27.040 fill off? I mean, do you have the Flacco fever? 1:28:27.600 --> 1:28:30.439 Because optimistic it takes a while for the fever to 1:28:30.479 --> 1:28:33.280 catch on. Let's let's get a truck the fever. 1:28:33.320 --> 1:28:36.040 I got the fever one win, and I'm in all right, you. 1:28:36.080 --> 1:28:38.120 Got the fever for the flavor of a crowd pleaser. 1:28:38.160 --> 1:28:40.320 I get it now. On that regard, I know you 1:28:40.360 --> 1:28:41.400 can drop beads like that. 1:28:43.280 --> 1:28:45.400 He's been out and about. People have been running into him. 1:28:45.439 --> 1:28:48.320 Okay, grabbing coffee at our foods, he selfie. 1:28:48.479 --> 1:28:50.280 I love the fact that they got the Jets this week. 1:28:50.320 --> 1:28:53.040 I love that the worst team in the league. 1:28:53.240 --> 1:28:57.360 Oh and seven careful because they were close a few times. 1:28:57.479 --> 1:28:59.720 And and I will say this, I'm not worried about 1:28:59.720 --> 1:29:03.719 the seven. Teams are a little desperate. It's awfully tough 1:29:04.040 --> 1:29:06.240 to go winless in the National Football League. 1:29:07.840 --> 1:29:10.400 And they are desperate enough to take out their quarterback 1:29:11.000 --> 1:29:14.919 Justin Fields. Yes, looks like we're gonna be getting Tyrod Taylor. 1:29:16.200 --> 1:29:19.280 Ty Tyrod Taylor is still alive, breaking news. 1:29:19.400 --> 1:29:24.280 He is Tyro Tale and another older gentleman bowl Icy Hunt. 1:29:25.200 --> 1:29:27.920 He was terrible with the Bills. That was years ago. 1:29:28.080 --> 1:29:30.280 And well he's just a little bit younger than me. 1:29:30.439 --> 1:29:33.120 So hold on a second, yeah, so fifty. 1:29:33.040 --> 1:29:38.599 Oh stop, that's you, Tyrod Taylor. 1:29:38.680 --> 1:29:41.599 The Jets are expected to start him this weekend because 1:29:41.960 --> 1:29:46.000 Jets owner Woody Johnson said, hey, offense and clicking, it 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:47.760 takes seven games to figure it out. 1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:49.960 So get a guy older than Joe Flacco. This is 1:29:49.960 --> 1:29:52.759 two weeks in a row he's played someone older, shows 1:29:52.800 --> 1:29:54.200 like Bring Him On, Incredible. 1:29:54.280 --> 1:29:58.040 Has Joe Flacco gone up against Tyrod Taylor before? 1:29:58.880 --> 1:29:59.800 Has he played with them? 1:30:00.120 --> 1:30:00.920 Most would have had to. 1:30:01.280 --> 1:30:03.479 Joe's been on so many teams that I'm assuming that 1:30:03.520 --> 1:30:05.840 he's probably played with and played against him. 1:30:06.120 --> 1:30:09.160 Yeah. Yes, I'm just gonna say, yes, it's happened, and 1:30:09.200 --> 1:30:11.280 he'll get and he'll look like Tyrod Taylor is the 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:12.040 reason why he's. 1:30:11.960 --> 1:30:13.679 Not start, the reason why he's not start. 1:30:13.880 --> 1:30:15.519 Back up. It's like, Okay, I'll do this next week. 1:30:15.560 --> 1:30:16.080 It's gonna be. 1:30:16.000 --> 1:30:17.960 Fitzy, but hey, Desker Times. 1:30:19.520 --> 1:30:25.240 Speaking of Joe Flacco, was on the fits in Wit podcast. Okay, 1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:28.360 and Joe goes, I know I'm forty years old, but 1:30:28.400 --> 1:30:31.120 the first couple of times I threw to Jamar and Ti. 1:30:31.760 --> 1:30:33.000 I was a little nervous. 1:30:33.320 --> 1:30:34.320 Yeh, that's cool. 1:30:34.400 --> 1:30:36.760 I guess Joe was a little a little intimidated by 1:30:36.760 --> 1:30:38.280 the best receivers in the league. 1:30:38.320 --> 1:30:40.320 It's amazing what you can do when you have tools, right. 1:30:40.680 --> 1:30:43.439 It's amazing when you've got those weapons out there and 1:30:43.479 --> 1:30:46.639 you can actually get the ball to them. I want 1:30:46.640 --> 1:30:48.679 to come out and again, I don't want to throw shape. 1:30:49.479 --> 1:30:51.479 It's what he did last week was fantastic. 1:30:51.800 --> 1:30:54.960 They looked great. It was almost a flawless for months. 1:30:55.040 --> 1:30:56.920 Let's just keep it going. Let's see. You got the Jets. 1:30:56.920 --> 1:30:58.960 I think that's a good gonna be careful because and 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:01.920 then he got the Bear trap a couple of trap games. 1:31:01.920 --> 1:31:03.040 You just gotta win each week now. 1:31:03.439 --> 1:31:06.920 And then you got the Bears again here at Peykor Stadium. 1:31:07.040 --> 1:31:09.799 But hey, the Bears are not bad down with Joe Flacco, 1:31:10.479 --> 1:31:11.240 that's the guy we need. 1:31:11.600 --> 1:31:13.519 Have the flo fever fever. 1:31:14.040 --> 1:31:16.439 But after let's see two three games, let's see what's 1:31:16.439 --> 1:31:16.960 going on here. 1:31:17.120 --> 1:31:21.280 When win this weekend beat the Bears, the Bears, and 1:31:21.320 --> 1:31:23.360 then you got your bye week and then you're on 1:31:23.360 --> 1:31:24.599 the road at this. 1:31:24.479 --> 1:31:28.000 Point, split all your divisions, split the Vision opponents, right, 1:31:28.200 --> 1:31:31.880 maybe they lose to Pittsburgh, Okay, fine, Baltimore cleve, Okay, I. 1:31:31.960 --> 1:31:34.880 Got two with Baltimore, right, And Lamar Jackson is coming 1:31:34.920 --> 1:31:38.799 back this weekend after his injury, so we'll see. 1:31:39.320 --> 1:31:41.280 But again, that puts you in good shape. You gotta 1:31:41.280 --> 1:31:43.519 get the nine wins. I think you're like, I agree 1:31:43.560 --> 1:31:44.840 that nine ten wins you're in. 1:31:45.080 --> 1:31:47.280 Don't count about and I don't think you can count 1:31:47.280 --> 1:31:48.599 the Ravens out yet either. 1:31:49.240 --> 1:31:50.519 Still plenty of football up. 1:31:50.760 --> 1:31:52.840 You'll look at Casey coming back from the dead, right, 1:31:53.880 --> 1:31:56.760 anyone can come back. Anyone can come back, anyone. I'm 1:31:56.760 --> 1:32:00.000 glad that Tony Pike is back. Tony Pike is back, congraduately, welcome. 1:31:59.720 --> 1:32:04.120 Back to good It really is. You just never know 1:32:04.160 --> 1:32:05.240 what's going to happen around here. 1:32:05.600 --> 1:32:07.720 If you have no idea, people come, people go, they 1:32:07.760 --> 1:32:09.599 come back. No one knows what's going on here. It's 1:32:09.600 --> 1:32:10.960 like aftabs run on this place. 1:32:12.120 --> 1:32:17.559 It's so accurate. Speaking of coming back. 1:32:17.920 --> 1:32:20.799 Aside from Tony Bike, we're going to find out today 1:32:20.920 --> 1:32:25.960 at practice. If Trey Hundrickson will be joining the team 1:32:26.040 --> 1:32:29.120 on Sunday. We know he was out last Thursday dealing 1:32:29.160 --> 1:32:32.760 with the bad back hip thing. So Zach Taylor during 1:32:32.800 --> 1:32:35.280 his press conference the other day said he's day to day. 1:32:35.600 --> 1:32:37.000 I'll let you know on Wednesday. 1:32:37.160 --> 1:32:39.200 Too much pressure on Shamara to hold that whole thing 1:32:39.240 --> 1:32:40.679 together because he's hadn't played. 1:32:40.720 --> 1:32:44.120 But yeah, he went out week two and then he 1:32:44.280 --> 1:32:47.479 was there against the Steelers injury. You saw Logan Wilson 1:32:47.520 --> 1:32:49.840 come back out for a little bit. What do you 1:32:49.880 --> 1:32:53.519 think about that drama? We talked a little bit about that. 1:32:54.640 --> 1:32:56.720 Yeah, I don't know if all the guys that you're 1:32:56.720 --> 1:32:59.599 going to bench, I don't know why Logan Wilson make 1:32:59.640 --> 1:33:02.439 an ex ample to him. I used one of your captains. 1:33:02.479 --> 1:33:05.360 I guess is Zach wasn't happy with what he was saying. 1:33:05.520 --> 1:33:06.760 And there's other guys I look at. 1:33:06.720 --> 1:33:10.600 Going then he put the rookie out there CTB. 1:33:12.920 --> 1:33:14.560 Yeah, what about CDB? 1:33:15.640 --> 1:33:18.280 Speaking of coming back, Joe Burrow, remember that guy? 1:33:18.520 --> 1:33:19.280 Huh who? 1:33:19.720 --> 1:33:21.559 Yeah, just another Joe. 1:33:22.280 --> 1:33:26.280 According to Ian Rappaport, he's saying Joe could come back 1:33:26.280 --> 1:33:29.160 from that turf toe injury in the last few weeks 1:33:29.200 --> 1:33:29.960 of that season. 1:33:31.479 --> 1:33:32.360 This is just what I. 1:33:35.439 --> 1:33:38.360 Know because and getting everyone's hopes up. 1:33:38.400 --> 1:33:41.080 And I think that there were people thinking like, all right, 1:33:41.360 --> 1:33:44.800 I know that he is expected to be back mid December, 1:33:44.920 --> 1:33:48.360 but what are the exact details with this stuff, so 1:33:48.400 --> 1:33:51.160 it could be uh December twenty first when they go 1:33:51.240 --> 1:33:53.599 to Miami to face the dolphin. 1:33:53.720 --> 1:33:56.000 I just think he's all soft myself. I mean I 1:33:56.040 --> 1:33:58.759 went and had, you know, walking around that Joe Burrows 1:33:58.800 --> 1:34:02.280 soft pure heio a paranal tendon tear, and I just 1:34:02.320 --> 1:34:04.240 had my I just got my boot off yesterday. Oh 1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:07.120 my gosh, I'm not walking around doing nic stuff. I'm 1:34:07.120 --> 1:34:08.880 going to get a line. 1:34:09.240 --> 1:34:13.440 Yeah, you don't have an O line around you. 1:34:13.439 --> 1:34:17.679 You fall to the ground, standing on ladders, plumbing, electrical painting, 1:34:17.760 --> 1:34:19.920 all that stuff. I'm out there getting it done. Not 1:34:19.960 --> 1:34:24.000 all heroes older than Joe. So I'm just not saying. 1:34:24.040 --> 1:34:26.040 I'm just saying it is funny to. 1:34:26.000 --> 1:34:28.960 Me that the younger guys are the ones on the 1:34:29.040 --> 1:34:30.200 sidelines right now. 1:34:30.280 --> 1:34:34.760 To completely with toes and what. 1:34:34.840 --> 1:34:37.280 Your tendon thing. And then you got the old guys 1:34:37.280 --> 1:34:38.559 out there playing again exactly. 1:34:39.080 --> 1:34:42.520 Old guys are tougher, Tyron and Joe. It's like old refrigerators. 1:34:42.520 --> 1:34:45.120 They don't make them like they used to. They break 1:34:45.160 --> 1:34:48.080 too often. Oh my goodness, Joe Flacco is a frigid 1:34:48.080 --> 1:34:48.960 air from the fifties. 1:34:49.080 --> 1:34:52.400 I like Joe Flacco, and I think he's telling me 1:34:53.080 --> 1:34:54.000 he leans into the. 1:34:53.960 --> 1:34:56.679 Older guy thing, which again I'm only a few years 1:34:56.720 --> 1:34:58.960 younger than just talking about it. 1:34:58.960 --> 1:35:02.200 He's a little frigid. A frigid or refrigerators, what it 1:35:02.280 --> 1:35:04.519 is not the cheap new ones where they break every three. 1:35:04.280 --> 1:35:06.759 No, it's the kind that you see in someone's garage. 1:35:06.920 --> 1:35:08.559 Yeah, that's the rounded front on it. 1:35:08.760 --> 1:35:12.240 And it's been there since literally the sixties. Yeah, and 1:35:12.280 --> 1:35:14.000 it's got like the beangel bites in there and the 1:35:14.280 --> 1:35:15.040 whole window. 1:35:15.400 --> 1:35:16.840 Energy keep that thing. But the thing is a tank. 1:35:16.840 --> 1:35:17.479 It's never gone, but. 1:35:17.520 --> 1:35:20.799 It'll never die. It'll never die, and you can always 1:35:20.800 --> 1:35:24.120 rely on it. And just when you think it's gonna die, 1:35:24.120 --> 1:35:26.000 it comes back and everything's perfect. 1:35:26.120 --> 1:35:28.839 Were like seventy eight buicks versus the's Tesla's. 1:35:30.320 --> 1:35:32.679 Aside from all of that, did you know that Michael 1:35:32.800 --> 1:35:37.679 Jordan grew up as a Bengals fan? The Goat Michael 1:35:37.760 --> 1:35:42.080 Jordan's Michael Jordan, Chris collins Word was on the Up 1:35:42.080 --> 1:35:45.760 and Adams podcast with our girl Kay Adams and it 1:35:45.840 --> 1:35:47.840 was brought up that he was at an event. I 1:35:47.840 --> 1:35:50.080 guess Chris was on an event with Michael Jordan and 1:35:50.120 --> 1:35:51.519 he was talking about it. He goes, yeah, grew up 1:35:51.560 --> 1:35:53.639 as a Bengals fan. I'm not sure if he's still 1:35:53.720 --> 1:35:56.040 cheered on the Bengals in my in my head, I'm 1:35:56.040 --> 1:35:58.720 going to say, yeah, Michael Jordan is cheering on Joe 1:35:58.720 --> 1:36:00.959 Flacco and the Bengals every I guess. 1:36:00.720 --> 1:36:03.679 He would have came up with the Super Bowl USh Bengals, 1:36:03.720 --> 1:36:05.920 so maybe he got on the bandwagon really a really 1:36:05.960 --> 1:36:09.000 good team at that playing Carolina. I'm like, I just wow, 1:36:09.040 --> 1:36:10.200 don't know how you get to be a Bengal fan. 1:36:10.240 --> 1:36:12.400 Maybe a Bengals bandwagon because he was in Carolina. 1:36:12.520 --> 1:36:15.599 So yeah, yeah, Sometimes like, okay, this is. 1:36:15.560 --> 1:36:17.800 What Chris Collinsworth told Kay Adams the other day and 1:36:17.800 --> 1:36:19.200 it was trending on social media. 1:36:19.280 --> 1:36:20.240 So I am bringing that. 1:36:20.200 --> 1:36:22.920 Tea usually, like Taylor Swift with Casey, is he come 1:36:22.960 --> 1:36:25.160 at all the games? I don't receive Michael Jordan and Stincy. 1:36:25.320 --> 1:36:29.920 You don't see Taylor Swift on the telecast anymore. Notice 1:36:29.920 --> 1:36:30.880 how they haven't shown her. 1:36:31.040 --> 1:36:32.760 She's kind of busy, isn't she. 1:36:32.760 --> 1:36:34.640 She's still at his games though, all right, but she 1:36:34.680 --> 1:36:35.759 said she wants to be hidden. 1:36:35.840 --> 1:36:38.000 So now when she walks in, they've got these walls 1:36:38.000 --> 1:36:40.559 that they post up for and she walks behind them 1:36:40.640 --> 1:36:42.760 and nobody can see her, and they no longer show 1:36:42.760 --> 1:36:43.560 her on the broadcast. 1:36:43.600 --> 1:36:46.000 The whole thing. Okay, it is a whole thing. Imagine 1:36:46.240 --> 1:36:50.200 Juice is like a CBS Xnay, no, go, don't choke 1:36:50.240 --> 1:36:50.800 Taylor and. 1:36:50.720 --> 1:36:52.120 The Chiefs are starting to chief again. 1:36:52.520 --> 1:36:54.719 I knew they would. You'll see her back again. Didn't 1:36:54.800 --> 1:36:57.719 count anybody out at this point. What else you got there, snorty. 1:36:58.320 --> 1:37:01.719 We've got soccer playoffs here right around the corner. 1:37:01.960 --> 1:37:02.920 On Monday night. 1:37:02.960 --> 1:37:06.280 It's going to be the Columbus Crew versus FC Cincinnati 1:37:06.360 --> 1:37:08.679 six forty five kick for that one. 1:37:08.720 --> 1:37:10.360 So they'll do a best of three. 1:37:10.720 --> 1:37:13.840 They'll play Wednesday, and then FCC will go to Columbus 1:37:14.640 --> 1:37:16.280 to play the Crew, and then if they need a 1:37:16.320 --> 1:37:17.080 game three. 1:37:16.880 --> 1:37:19.440 They'll come back back here. Since yeah, so FCC. 1:37:19.240 --> 1:37:21.559 Had more points than the Crew, and that's why they'll 1:37:21.560 --> 1:37:22.439 start here, all right. 1:37:23.280 --> 1:37:24.680 They can just go to and O and get to 1:37:24.680 --> 1:37:25.200 the next round. 1:37:25.280 --> 1:37:26.720 How was my question as a fan girl? Would you 1:37:26.800 --> 1:37:30.000 rather see them go win here, lose there? 1:37:30.160 --> 1:37:33.400 No, just get it done. I hate it. It's like, 1:37:33.560 --> 1:37:35.599 let's not wait till the very last game. We see 1:37:35.600 --> 1:37:38.080 that happen way too often with our Cincinnati teams. 1:37:37.800 --> 1:37:39.439 Staity tie, a little time to rest up too. 1:37:39.760 --> 1:37:42.360 Exactly Exactly, I believe they can go all the way, 1:37:42.479 --> 1:37:42.760 do you. 1:37:43.560 --> 1:37:45.799 I always believe they'll Exactly. 1:37:45.880 --> 1:37:49.800 I want to believe that with our Reds FCC, the Bengals, 1:37:50.120 --> 1:37:52.000 I mean, okay. 1:37:52.200 --> 1:37:53.320 Can't count anybody out. 1:37:53.439 --> 1:37:53.719 Nope. 1:37:54.320 --> 1:37:56.439 Yeah, And like I said, we got our Cincinnati Cyclones 1:37:56.479 --> 1:38:00.320 back on home ice. That's on Friday night. It's Peanuts Night, 1:38:00.880 --> 1:38:03.120 so they're going to be wearing the specialty jerseys. 1:38:03.160 --> 1:38:08.320 They're mister Peanut with a monocle monicle on the top, 1:38:08.360 --> 1:38:13.840 had the Snoopy Peanuts Peanut. It's five to one, three nights. 1:38:13.840 --> 1:38:17.560 They've got five dollars Seltzers, craft Beers, one dollar popcorns, 1:38:17.600 --> 1:38:20.559 three dollars burgers, all kinds of good stuff going on. 1:38:20.800 --> 1:38:22.640 Yeah, it's promotion seasons what it is. 1:38:22.680 --> 1:38:25.519 And I do want to promote my new show. I 1:38:25.560 --> 1:38:27.960 have my own time podcast. I know I've got my 1:38:28.000 --> 1:38:28.599 own time. 1:38:29.520 --> 1:38:31.160 What do you think you are Adams? 1:38:32.400 --> 1:38:32.840 No, do not. 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:38.679 Wednesday Adams. Which which Adams are you President Adams? 1:38:40.200 --> 1:38:41.719 Unfortunately none of the above. 1:38:42.160 --> 1:38:44.040 But yeah, I've got my own time slot on EBA 1:38:44.120 --> 1:38:47.720 now sen am to three pm every single Sunday. So 1:38:47.720 --> 1:38:50.000 I'll be cut short this weekend because of the Bengals. 1:38:50.000 --> 1:38:52.400 Don't we carry all of those? But y'all take your 1:38:52.479 --> 1:38:53.559 right into kickoff now? 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:57.240 Actually live? Are you on tape? It is live because 1:38:57.280 --> 1:38:59.240 you know how we don't like to record things. We 1:38:59.240 --> 1:39:02.160 don't record anything that's you do. Oh and we're going 1:39:02.200 --> 1:39:04.120 to recognize the lap at the game this weekend. Sure, 1:39:04.160 --> 1:39:06.000 we cannot forget about that. It's the Ring of Honor 1:39:06.080 --> 1:39:06.839 game on Sunday. 1:39:07.479 --> 1:39:10.280 Oh, I think you're about the cyclones about Sorry, I'm 1:39:10.280 --> 1:39:13.360 all over the place, steal I've had to Alanis today 1:39:13.360 --> 1:39:14.680 to coffees. 1:39:15.000 --> 1:39:17.080 Ring of Honor, Ring of Honor game on Sunday. Do 1:39:17.160 --> 1:39:18.040 not forget about that? 1:39:18.040 --> 1:39:20.080 Deserves it for sure. I thought yours. I thought he 1:39:20.080 --> 1:39:21.439 should have been in the first class one. 1:39:21.520 --> 1:39:23.559 Oh yeah, between fifty years. 1:39:23.439 --> 1:39:25.760 Right field and being the voice of the bank. Mister 1:39:25.800 --> 1:39:27.840 Bengal is like, that's the franchise, right. 1:39:27.880 --> 1:39:29.920 Yeah, ten years playing forty years on a MIC. 1:39:30.000 --> 1:39:32.000 He's like knucks all the knucks, all of the Bengals is. 1:39:33.000 --> 1:39:35.800 He's truly incredible. So he deserves all of the recognitions. 1:39:36.200 --> 1:39:37.439 You're going to be there and make sure to show 1:39:37.479 --> 1:39:39.160 him a lot of love. I think you should now 1:39:39.479 --> 1:39:41.200 still go from the booth to the field and then 1:39:41.240 --> 1:39:42.680 back up to the booth with Dan when he. 1:39:42.880 --> 1:39:44.400 And I guess they speak a little bit and say, 1:39:44.400 --> 1:39:46.479 you know so when he's speaking, I guess they're going 1:39:46.520 --> 1:39:48.240 to bring Dan Horde to talk over the top of him. 1:39:48.400 --> 1:39:51.280 Oh my gosh, I knew you were going to put 1:39:51.320 --> 1:39:52.080 some joke in there. 1:39:52.120 --> 1:39:53.439 You're just so joky today. 1:39:54.880 --> 1:39:58.400 What about yourself? I love laugh though. He's awesome. 1:39:58.560 --> 1:39:59.320 Yeah, he's great. 1:39:59.360 --> 1:40:01.840 So there's all lot going on over the next few 1:40:01.920 --> 1:40:04.920 days here in CINCINNETI so just be safe and behave 1:40:05.040 --> 1:40:06.480 like Teresa Tigisa. 1:40:06.280 --> 1:40:07.599 Gotcha behave, be safe. 1:40:07.640 --> 1:40:07.800 Now. 1:40:07.800 --> 1:40:11.280 I noticed the new the season's clones jerseys there. Actually 1:40:11.280 --> 1:40:14.720 they have kavlarn them in case you're down on Fountain Square. 1:40:15.120 --> 1:40:18.439 I never know she's Sarah Elise. It's the Snort report. 1:40:18.600 --> 1:40:22.480 She's exhausted. I am all the women around me just exhausted. 1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:27.080 I'm just tired of you, denomination. You just exhaust me, 1:40:27.640 --> 1:40:30.200 all right, appreciate you. Thanks again. Snort report Sarah elease 1:40:30.560 --> 1:40:33.040 Over on one of two seven e b N Scott 1:40:33.120 --> 1:40:36.200 Sloan with Bill Cunningham show coming up right afternoons here 1:40:36.280 --> 1:40:37.920 on the home of the best Bengals coverage, in the 1:40:37.920 --> 1:40:38.320 home of. 1:40:38.320 --> 1:40:40.479 Dave Lapham and the home of Joe Flacco. 1:40:40.640 --> 1:40:43.040 Thank you, seven hundred W al W