Speaker 1: I don't want to be an American.
Speaker 2: Scott flown back on seven hundred pretty well would just
Speaker 2: jump right back into it. Man over the fence, over
Speaker 2: the wall, as they say. City council members are pretty
Speaker 2: tight lipped about taking sides regarding the city manager's decision
Speaker 2: AKA after Perevol's decision a place chiefs A. Thiji on leave.
Speaker 2: We heard from Ken Kober immediately following yesterday's press conference
Speaker 2: with Steve im at the Finny Law fram who is
Speaker 2: representing Chief Thiji in this whole situation. He came on
Speaker 2: my show live on seven hundred WW and his immediate
Speaker 2: reaction to this thing was like, listen, there's many in
Speaker 2: the rank and file weren't necessarily Teresa Thigi fans, but
Speaker 2: guess what we all are now because what happened to her,
Speaker 2: that she's being railroaded out of her job and being
Speaker 2: called this is nothing but politics and she's a political scapegoat,
Speaker 2: and finding out on her thirty fifth anniversary of or
Speaker 2: hire as a new cop and now the chief of Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: the first woman to do that long history of service
Speaker 2: for her family, as an insult to the badge and
Speaker 2: insult to the whole process and what's interesting about this
Speaker 2: after the followed very very few. And that's, by the way,
Speaker 2: I may say, not serving all of them, but the
Speaker 2: only one to voice an opinion on counsel and this
Speaker 2: whole thing joins me now and that is Seth Wall Seth,
Speaker 2: good morning. I'm doing well, but I'm also probably doing
Speaker 2: better than you right now. I can't imagine what you
Speaker 2: woke up this morning and went in the seconds where
Speaker 2: the cobwebs are there, they go away. The first thing
Speaker 2: you probably thought of is is this dumpster fire?
Speaker 3: It's been It's been quite a week of chaos and
Speaker 3: hectic and yeah, it's been. It's been a week, Scott,
Speaker 3: and not the best week that we've had in entity council.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is Terry Thiji.
Speaker 3: The problem, you know, I think the problem with that question,
Speaker 3: Scott is how do we know that they're not telling
Speaker 3: you anything, They're not telling me anything. None of us
Speaker 3: know why this decision is being made. So Issu's the
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for the evidence to be shown to us.
Speaker 2: But in people say, wow, this is you know, it's
Speaker 2: share along because the way it works is the chiefs,
Speaker 2: the chiefs administrators, they all report to city manager share along.
Speaker 2: So this is Cheryl's day. But again she's just the executioner, right,
Speaker 2: This is the mayor. This is af tad pirival. This
Speaker 2: isn't Cheryl Long. She is a subordinate and she's doing
Speaker 2: what she I don't know what she is commanded to do,
Speaker 2: I suppose, or I don't know. Is Cheryl Loong run
Speaker 2: the whole thing? Either way, it's a horrible look for
Speaker 2: the mayor, especially with an election coming up in a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's a bad look for the city
Speaker 3: as a whole. You know, from everything that I've been told,
Speaker 3: which is pretty much what you see in the media.
Speaker 3: I mean, this seems to be a decision made by
Speaker 3: Cheryl Long, and I think that leads to a lot
Speaker 3: of questions about the fact that the police chief, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day is a very important decision,
Speaker 3: especially when we are trying to get crime under control
Speaker 3: in our downtown or over the Rhine and in these
Speaker 3: neighborhoods were seeing spice and crime in it is a
Speaker 3: very very important decision. And to change the police chief,
Speaker 3: no matter when you're changing the police chief, but to
Speaker 3: change it in such a chaotic tactic fashion, with no
Speaker 3: clear plan, no clear evidence about why the decision is
Speaker 3: being made. That is a massive problem, and it is
Speaker 3: I think it's I think Ken was spot on. I imagine
Speaker 3: this is terrible from hero out for the police Department,
Speaker 3: because you know, even if it's not a situation of escapegoat,
Speaker 3: it sure feels that way. And it's a situation that
Speaker 3: we need to be providing stability right now. We need
Speaker 3: to be showing leadership and we need to put our
Speaker 3: plan for because the most important thing is public safety,
Speaker 3: not personality conflicts.
Speaker 2: Seth Walshaw immediately following the press conference yesterday with Steve Vam,
Speaker 2: who did a great job. By the way, I spoke
Speaker 2: to Ken Coober, President the FFP, live on the show,
Speaker 2: and that was one of the questions I had to him.
Speaker 2: It's like, we just spent what kramerting four and a
Speaker 2: half million dollars with Kramerting, Jefferies, yourself and others voting
Speaker 2: to fund the police department. We got to get more
Speaker 2: bodies and we got to recruit. We're down one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty one hundred FFTY officers. Can't have that. We
Speaker 2: got have lateral recruiting class. We're going to pull officers
Speaker 2: from other jurisdictions and make an appeal to them with
Speaker 2: money and the job at hand, to come to Cincinnati
Speaker 2: and work here and work for a district and make
Speaker 2: a difference in crime, make some money yourself and all that.
Speaker 2: That's all well and good. Four and a half million
Speaker 2: dollars does in this whole move undermine that, because if
Speaker 2: I'm a officer, if I'm a beat cup, and let's
Speaker 2: say I don't know I work in a jurisdiction, I'm
Speaker 2: maybe considering making the move over to Cincinnati go a
Speaker 2: whole lot of second, Look, look how dirty they just
Speaker 2: did the chief and that's a chief. I'm nobody. What
Speaker 2: chance do I have? So did we just shoot ourselves
Speaker 2: in the foot? We opened the coffers up to four
Speaker 2: and a half mil. But at the same time send
Speaker 2: the message out that we don't know what we're doing
Speaker 2: over here, and we'll make you escapegoat politically if we
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 3: Well, that's where my concern comes in in terms of
Speaker 3: there's a lot of concern I have here. But yes,
Speaker 3: when we're talking about our law enforcement members, not only
Speaker 3: the morale of existing police rale of those we're trying
Speaker 3: to hire, But is that plan even heading forward the
Speaker 3: five and a half five point four million dollars we
Speaker 3: just allocated, Like, what is the plan for that now?
Speaker 3: Because it was moving forward under the last police chief
Speaker 3: who's currently on administrative belief, it's not That's what That's.
Speaker 4: My frustration where I'm most.
Speaker 3: Upset right now is we are trying to get crime
Speaker 3: under control in the city of Cincinnati. It is not
Speaker 3: clear the stability in the past for that because nothing's
Speaker 3: been laid out to us other than this hectic process
Speaker 3: that we've all watched play out in the media. We've
Speaker 3: named an interim police chief who by all accounts is
Speaker 3: an amazing individual and going to be a great leader
Speaker 3: for the department. But it's not clear what the transition
Speaker 3: is and what's carrying on and what the problem even
Speaker 3: was in the first place that led to this change.
Speaker 3: So how can you and I even confidently say we
Speaker 3: know what's happening next? You know, is all the plans
Speaker 3: that we've done for the last two months drown out
Speaker 3: the window and we're starting fresh or are we continuing it?
Speaker 3: And if we're continuing it, how are we going to
Speaker 3: provide the confidence people that that's what's happening. I don't know,
Speaker 3: and that is not an acceptable answer for somebody who's
Speaker 3: city on city council ne' to give you, And it's
Speaker 3: not an acceptable answer for the city manager to give
Speaker 3: us that as the solution right now is that we
Speaker 3: don't have enough information to even answer that question. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm very worried about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as I understand, I don't know any but
Speaker 2: I understand from the rank and file, many of they
Speaker 2: respect him. They love the guy. I mean, he's the
Speaker 2: guy that wrote that citation a month later or charged anyway,
Speaker 2: the white guy in the brawl, because that was at
Speaker 2: the behest of the rabid reverence out there who demanded
Speaker 2: a flash demanded of whitey be charged because he got
Speaker 2: black guys who were an assault and no officer on
Speaker 2: the scene would write it because they didn't think a
Speaker 2: crime was committed. But he took essentially the political bullet
Speaker 2: and said, okay, final, I'll be the one that puts
Speaker 2: my name to this, this thing that got that ball rolling.
Speaker 2: And that was all the behest of the mayor's office.
Speaker 2: So that's greasy and dirty as well, because that is
Speaker 2: a potential civil rights violation, which you know again, when
Speaker 2: you're fighting to keep your nose above water like after
Speaker 2: Puribals and keep his political career going, that seems like
Speaker 2: a pretty big misstep to me. You open yourself up
Speaker 2: for a civil rights case. But I don't know, does
Speaker 2: they only care about this election coming up and damn
Speaker 2: the torpedoes. We'll see what happens after that.
Speaker 3: You know, again, I don't know. From everything I've heard,
Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like this was the mayor's decision, which
Speaker 3: I know is you know, we think the way the
Speaker 3: city government works, that this would be the marrior's decision.
Speaker 3: This is legally and technically the city manager's decision. And
Speaker 3: everything that I've heard behind the scenes, which again it's
Speaker 3: not much more than what you've heard, does not sound
Speaker 3: like the mayor's the one who made the decision on this.
Speaker 3: It sounds like the mayor may have been aware of
Speaker 3: conversations transpiring behind the scenes which led to comments last week.
Speaker 3: But beyond that, I don't have anything to indicate that
Speaker 3: Aftab was the one who made the decision.
Speaker 2: Ultimately, but there was a political component to this, There's
Speaker 2: no question about it. This wasn't a criminal charge. This
Speaker 2: was a political charge.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I think that that's one of the
Speaker 3: big questions. Why does this decision made?
Speaker 5: Right now?
Speaker 3: What was the urgency that required this decision to be
Speaker 3: made so quickly that the police chief had to fly
Speaker 3: back from college out of And I've asked that question.
Speaker 3: I don't have a satisfactory answer to it, right, And
Speaker 3: it seems like there was again, I mean, it's chaos,
Speaker 3: and it seems like chaos reigned for thirty six hours
Speaker 3: at city Hall and bad decisions were made and that's
Speaker 3: not okay and that's not acceptable.
Speaker 4: And that's the big problem here.
Speaker 3: Some people need to come out and say what actually
Speaker 3: happened and led to this and why this decision was made.
Speaker 3: You know, this is a really big decision, and the
Speaker 3: absence of information leads to rampant speculation that is not
Speaker 3: good for anybody. And I don't understand why people are
Speaker 3: so gun try to come out and just say what
Speaker 3: happened and what led to this decision. It's not like
Speaker 3: we don't know what's happening.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Last Wednesday, I think they put out like three press
Speaker 3: releases saying that she was still employed, which is you know,
Speaker 3: you know that Scott, you're in the media is like,
Speaker 3: that's the kiss of death.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't I don't understand you.
Speaker 2: We're good at at reducing force around here, so we
Speaker 2: know this. Well, I don't heard when somebody get called
Speaker 2: back from a conference in Denver and going, hey, you
Speaker 2: got to get back here right away because you've got
Speaker 2: a we've got a violence emergence. Well, you know, the
Speaker 2: emergency would happen immediately found what happened to Fountain Square?
Speaker 2: This was, this was after that. There's nothing newsworthy going on,
Speaker 2: and just out of the blue, she's in Denver and
Speaker 2: now we got to pull the plug on or doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense. And I brought up A. Henny's name earlier,
Speaker 2: and he seems like a great guy, be a great chief.
Speaker 2: But I guess the question is, wasn't that Terry. We
Speaker 2: don't know why Terry Thigi got fired in the first place.
Speaker 2: There's no reason around this. And technically she's not fired,
Speaker 2: she's still on administrative leave. So there's that level of confusion.
Speaker 2: What are you getting with Henny that you didn't have
Speaker 2: with Thigi? Nobody knows.
Speaker 3: Right, and you know, again, a hard number one priority
Speaker 3: has to be public safety. So you know, I I
Speaker 3: think Henny is going to do a great job. But
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know, things I've
Speaker 3: heard from police officers are are we being held accountable
Speaker 3: for the fact that crime is happening? And I can't
Speaker 3: imagine what the morale is and I have it.
Speaker 2: It's a very.
Speaker 3: Difficult question for me to answer it now because I
Speaker 3: don't know what we're holding her accountable for. There may
Speaker 3: verver will be a good reason, Scott that you and
Speaker 3: I would agree with and say, yeah, that's the right decision,
Speaker 3: and you know, it had to happen urgently, but we
Speaker 3: absent of information, we don't know that, and so the
Speaker 3: perception is chaos, and uh, you know, we're reacting to crime,
Speaker 3: but we're reacting now to it as opposed to over
Speaker 3: the summer where you and I've had multiple conversations about.
Speaker 4: It, and this is just it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: And I think the clarity is so badly needed because
Speaker 3: it is going to have a negative impact on our police,
Speaker 3: can have a negative impact on our citizen. We'rele it's
Speaker 3: going to have a negative impact on what we are
Speaker 3: trying to do as a city. And right now, I
Speaker 3: don't think that we need that forget the election, think
Speaker 3: about liscinating and what we are trying to achieve. You know,
Speaker 3: I talk about economic development all the time. You know,
Speaker 3: right now is when we need the inspiring confidence that
Speaker 3: we've got this under control, because we want people coming downtown,
Speaker 3: we want people coming to over the run. This is
Speaker 3: not a good time to indicate in any way that
Speaker 3: we you know, we're not. We don't have a plan
Speaker 3: for how we're handling public safety. And again there may
Speaker 3: very well be a plan. They come out and tell
Speaker 3: it to us, show us what the plan is.
Speaker 2: I don't have a censor as a plan, Council Member
Speaker 2: sas Walsh, I really really don't. Here's the issue, though,
Speaker 2: you're out now, can't painting as all members of council are.
Speaker 2: When election coming up in just a few short days.
Speaker 2: You're almost down to the wire right now. When you
Speaker 2: talk to your constituents, When you talk to the good
Speaker 2: people of Cincinnati, not only the citizens, but also the
Speaker 2: people who operate and own businesses in and downtown, just
Speaker 2: to maybe travelers too as well, who the hell knows
Speaker 2: you make contact with. What is the consensus among the
Speaker 2: constituents in this.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm hearing. I imagine this is what you're
Speaker 3: hearing and what people are feeling who are listening to this.
Speaker 3: You know. Opinions about the police chief varied, but opinions
Speaker 3: about how this has been handled are pretty unified, which
Speaker 3: is that she didn't deserve to be treated this way
Speaker 3: so publicly. It's not clear why it happened, and so
Speaker 3: the opinions on the entire process is that it is
Speaker 3: it's been atrocious and that nobody deserves to go through this,
Speaker 3: least of all for not a clear reason about why.
Speaker 3: And people are pretty offended by it, and I think
Speaker 3: rightfully so, and I think again, absence of information, it
Speaker 3: looks bad.
Speaker 4: It looks really bad.
Speaker 2: Oh. The FOP issued to voted no confidence on the
Speaker 2: mayor's conduct here in an indirect way that with Thigi
Speaker 2: and now they're standing behind Fiji going listen. There are
Speaker 2: numbers who had issues with Terry and how she ran
Speaker 2: the shop, as you will with any boss for that matter.
Speaker 2: But at the same time everyone is coalesced. I guess
Speaker 2: on the thin blue line to say this is outrageous
Speaker 2: and there's no plan going. The way I look at
Speaker 2: it politically, Seth is what's the strategy here. I mean,
Speaker 2: you have turmoil with an interim chief, which implies you
Speaker 2: have no control over crime and that it's all Terry
Speaker 2: Thigi's fault. You mean, Kenny the chief. It's a fresh start.
Speaker 2: Then you get to the election. Were the repercussions here?
Speaker 2: Because I'll be honest with you, even with this nonsense
Speaker 2: and this mess that's going on right now in this
Speaker 2: s show and the way this has been handled, I
Speaker 2: don't know how Aftab loses the election. I really don't.
Speaker 2: I mean he can, I suppose, but I don't see
Speaker 2: this huge ground swell for Corey Bowman, who's a political
Speaker 2: no name upcomer, and Jad Vans's brother dad has baggage.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I saw a great faith and a
Speaker 3: mayor of the Cincinnati and I do think that his
Speaker 3: election results will be very positive for him. But I
Speaker 3: think it's important to remind you, know, your listeners, that
Speaker 3: Cincinnati is three branches of government. You know, it's the mayor,
Speaker 3: it's a city council and the administration, and all three
Speaker 3: are are theoretically equal. So you know, the mayor, I
Speaker 3: think you're right, he's going to get re elected. City Council.
Speaker 3: Obviously that the vote there is important for people to
Speaker 3: show up and make their voices heard, but.
Speaker 4: Also equally so you know, even if you know.
Speaker 3: All AID incumbents are re elected and you know, we
Speaker 3: get the ninth member Bryan James elected on the Democratic
Speaker 3: slate there, people may feel frustrated, but the administration is
Speaker 3: still equal on here that you know, you should be
Speaker 3: expecting us to be asking these hard questions of you
Speaker 3: should be asking us and expecting us to be challenging
Speaker 3: them to come up with the answers and tell us
Speaker 3: what is going on in a public setting, not behind
Speaker 3: closed doors, not in a way that you know it's
Speaker 3: not clear, because this is too big and too important
Speaker 3: of an issue not to have clear answers off for
Speaker 3: the public. And I think that's really important people understand.
Speaker 3: You know, the mayor and city council or your voice
Speaker 3: is near representatives. But the way our government is set
Speaker 3: up is the administration's in charge. And if we are
Speaker 3: not getting clear answers, we need to be pushing them
Speaker 3: to get the clear answers. And we can't just rest
Speaker 3: on our laurels and say like, well that's their decision.
Speaker 3: We need answers. We need to hold them account and
Speaker 3: we do. This is one way to do it. Let's
Speaker 3: make it clear where we're frustrated.
Speaker 2: All right, voters most likely will choose aftab over Corey Bowman.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, does this have an effect
Speaker 2: down ticket? Should you be concerned as well? Should the
Speaker 2: odd members of council because so many people that are
Speaker 2: running because of the way this was mishandled. We've got
Speaker 2: so many hats in the ring right now. Anything can happen.
Speaker 2: You say you support aft to add pereval, but what
Speaker 2: if he costs you your seat?
Speaker 3: Like anybody running for any office should be scared when
Speaker 3: they have to go out there. They have to earn
Speaker 3: votes every single day. It's one of the reasons that
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be vocal about this. I think that
Speaker 3: people's for people need to feel their frustration is being
Speaker 3: vocalized at an relucts of leadership capacity. I think anybody
Speaker 3: running right now should be worried and should be willing
Speaker 3: to take a stance on this issue, and they have
Speaker 3: their opinions known on this issue because this is an
Speaker 3: important issue that determines kind of how the next administration operates.
Speaker 3: In terms of you know, whoever gets elected this cycle,
Speaker 3: and if you're not willing to speak out, if you're
Speaker 3: not willing to challenge and the hold people accountable. You know,
Speaker 3: that's the role of a city council member is to
Speaker 3: whole the administration accountable, to ask the hard questions. It's
Speaker 3: how you and I to become I would say we're
Speaker 3: friends now, Scott, but you know, we started having these
Speaker 3: conversations about a bridge fire where they thought that three
Speaker 3: years was acceptable to take to get it fixed, and
Speaker 3: I've said no way, and we got done one hundred days.
Speaker 3: That's why we start talking about snowplouds because we didn't
Speaker 3: plow six hundred streets and we had to hold people
Speaker 3: accountable and ultimately the DPS director retired because of that,
Speaker 3: and we got somebody in there that is going to
Speaker 3: get our streets cloud this year. And that is the
Speaker 3: job of the city council member. And if you're not
Speaker 3: willing to speak out the whole the administration accountable, I
Speaker 3: don't know why you should be elected to it. And
Speaker 3: I think that you guys should be holding people accountable
Speaker 3: and challenging us to speak out and say these things.
Speaker 3: We can all be the same party. We can all
Speaker 3: be friends, but our job is accountability.
Speaker 2: I can't say all Seth Walsh. I can't say all
Speaker 2: members of council besides yourself, but most members of council
Speaker 2: and maybe y'all. No one wants to come out publicly
Speaker 2: and chastise the mayor and call them out as you
Speaker 2: just did on the show. Why is that? Why do
Speaker 2: you think that is that you're the only one willing
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Scott, and I will prefer to you
Speaker 3: to figure that one out.
Speaker 7: For me.
Speaker 4: I don't have enough money to go to therapy to
Speaker 4: get that answer.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's not I don't understand. It seems
Speaker 2: to me maybe we're just trying to protect the brand.
Speaker 2: Like if I'm a Democrat, I'm not allowed to criticize
Speaker 2: another Democrat. You just did that, and I think you're
Speaker 2: going to be fine. It's okay. We need to get
Speaker 2: back to it. Whether it's same with the Republicans. Republicans, Hey,
Speaker 2: you can't criticize Trump. Yeah you can. You're supposed to.
Speaker 2: That's how the system works up. I mean, I got
Speaker 2: I get in fights when I was younger all the
Speaker 2: time with my two brothers. I still love them. I
Speaker 2: take a bullet for either one or both of them.
Speaker 2: But you're allowed to disagree with people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I try to lead my example,
Speaker 3: and I hope you know it is scary sometimes to
Speaker 3: step on the ledge and take the phone call with you,
Speaker 3: Scott and say I don't know what his opening question
Speaker 3: is going to be today.
Speaker 4: But we'll find out.
Speaker 2: That's two of us.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, so we're always surprised. It's always a fun time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I hope others get the confidence and the
Speaker 3: courage to be speak out too, because I think on
Speaker 3: issues like this it's too important to stay silent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, I know you got to get going, Seth.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Hopefully you can brave through this. Council Member,
Speaker 2: Seth Walsh would appreciate your vote. I'm sure, very thoughtful
Speaker 2: as always, and we'll see where this goes. But I
Speaker 2: even think the people who know I don't know where
Speaker 2: it's going at this point, and that's a scary part.
Speaker 2: All the best, my friend, do well, Thanks Scott, take care.
Speaker 2: You know we just had the No King's protest down people.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is as it's chaos. He's making rash decisions,
Speaker 2: no accountability, no context. And if you're a Democrat and
Speaker 2: you're down there, I imagine many Republicans are the no
Speaker 2: Kings rally. But if you're down there at so your
Speaker 2: point and this is your belief, I'd have to ask you,
Speaker 2: isn't this exactly what you were protesting this weekend? Chaos?
Speaker 2: No accountability, investigations by law enforcement that are politically compromised,
Speaker 2: unelected appointees like Iris Rawley having too much power, cronyism.
Speaker 2: We protesting Trump when you should have also been protesting
Speaker 2: aftab puer vault. Scott's Loan Show seven hundred ww Solony
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW just had a council member, Seth Walsh
Speaker 2: on the show live and he brought the noise this
Speaker 2: morning as a little whoo. That was like a third
Speaker 2: cup of coffee, Wasn't it like the only member of
Speaker 2: council not afraid to go at AFT tab pure vault
Speaker 2: at this point. Everyone else is kind of laying lows
Speaker 2: in which way the wind blows, which I get. You know,
Speaker 2: election season, you don't know what's going to happen with
Speaker 2: the voters because they're a piste off and who could
Speaker 2: blame them based on what's happening right now, largely because
Speaker 2: of the mayor. And I think there's maybe some conservatives,
Speaker 2: probably a good number of people are cursing me out
Speaker 2: or maybe not listening anymore because I'm not drinking the
Speaker 2: entire right kool aid. And that's fine. But I look
Speaker 2: at that and go, well, you know, I just don't.
Speaker 2: Corey Bowman seems like a good guy. You know, he's
Speaker 2: a pastor, he's the brother of the Vice president. If
Speaker 2: you're a conservative, you'd probably vote for him. But the
Speaker 2: problem is you're not in Hamlin County. It's deep, deep blue.
Speaker 2: And how much does that carry in deep blue Cincinnati?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: I think after that peerful knows that, And which is
Speaker 2: even the worst part, because you feel like, hey, you
Speaker 2: know what, I don't have to I don't have to
Speaker 2: play this out. I can do whatever I want, which
Speaker 2: is part of a bigger problem. And I kind of
Speaker 2: brought it up at the end of talking to Seth
Speaker 2: Walsh there, and I was thinking about it during the
Speaker 2: break and go. This past weekend we had the No
Speaker 2: King's rallies right that, the nationwide protests against President Trump.
Speaker 2: Not one person who voted for Trump would be a
Speaker 2: No King's rally. Right, So the protesters, what were their
Speaker 2: their grievances, Well, there are a lot of individual grievances
Speaker 2: out there and anytime you have one of these tantrums,
Speaker 2: and that's what it was, a tantrum. It's a bunch
Speaker 2: of people with hold a wide difference of what it
Speaker 2: is there to bitch about. But the commonality is the
Speaker 2: president of the United States and the protesters were concerned
Speaker 2: about what many things the direction of the country that
Speaker 2: were descending into fascism. That there's just nothing but chaos
Speaker 2: with this president. I'd agree with that, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of chaos going on. That this is a guy that
Speaker 2: makes rash decisions. There's no accountability, there's no context. Okay,
Speaker 2: you protested Trump et cetera. Point this weekend for the
Speaker 2: No King's rally, How is this different than what's happening
Speaker 2: at City Hall? Because one guy, and you could say
Speaker 2: he sure a long now aftad have pure of ball
Speaker 2: is holding the city hostage in a sense with the
Speaker 2: stupid ways handled crime. There's platitudes and there's measures, there
Speaker 2: are too little, too late. Trump doesn't answer to anyone.
Speaker 2: And if you love Trump, you love that about him.
Speaker 2: But if you don't, you hate that. It's like he
Speaker 2: won't listen to He only listens himself. Okay, so who's
Speaker 2: aftabolist answering to council. No, we just had Seth Walshawn
Speaker 2: and he said, no one knows what's going on. We
Speaker 2: know that Trump isn't afraid of the camera or the
Speaker 2: reporter of the question. He goes to them. Hell, he
Speaker 2: puts all this stuff out. I'm social. When Patrick Carringer
Speaker 2: was killed in his own home two days later, he
Speaker 2: didn't post about that. He posted about a ribbon cutting
Speaker 2: that he was a part of and literally steps away from.
Speaker 2: When this man was murdered his own home, not a
Speaker 2: word We had the since he beat down in late July.
Speaker 2: What did he do? Left for vacation the day after
Speaker 2: it went down. It's going viral. You know it's going
Speaker 2: to be bad. And he fled to Canada. Ah, okay, Well,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're against chaos and no accountability and
Speaker 2: no context and doing over the hell you want to
Speaker 2: and not answering to anyone and destroy, I'm sorry, isn't
Speaker 2: it what AFTABT puervol is doing right now? One of
Speaker 2: the criticisms is you know Trump is he has his investigations,
Speaker 2: and the law enforcement are now politically compromise of Justice
Speaker 2: Department is not anymore. It's about It's about retribution and
Speaker 2: taking care of you. Okay, Well, the guy who's just
Speaker 2: been named innor in Chief knowingly wrote a citation to
Speaker 2: cause the arrest of the white guy who is the
Speaker 2: victim in the brawl. Not the responding cops, Not the
Speaker 2: cops who showed up because they said, well, you know,
Speaker 2: we think you're the victim of a crime, but the
Speaker 2: lieutenant colonel. And it was a full month later, after
Speaker 2: the reverence demanded it, after the press conference. The charges
Speaker 2: are filed and then sealed. What what This is not
Speaker 2: a criminal charge, it's a political charge. And it's all
Speaker 2: under sheer Long, who is essentially the pit bull for
Speaker 2: after that puer vol the same guy who was forced
Speaker 2: by the order of his boss city manager named dinner
Speaker 2: in Chief is a reward for being loyal. I may
Speaker 2: be wrong about that, and this is I don't think
Speaker 2: it's indictment of Henney because I understand he's a great guy.
Speaker 2: He's loved by the cops, and you know, I get it.
Speaker 2: You're going to do what you're told. If you're the piper,
Speaker 2: you call the tune. And Henny is not the piper.
Speaker 2: He's way down the food chain, and he didn't want
Speaker 2: his officers to have be forced politically by the mayor's
Speaker 2: office to do that, so he said, I'll do it
Speaker 2: for you. That that's leadership in a in a very
Speaker 2: and that's leadership in a vacuum, is what that is.
Speaker 2: So this is an attack on Henny. This is an
Speaker 2: attack on what happened. We hear about Oh my god,
Speaker 2: look at look at all the benefactors to Trump and
Speaker 2: the people that are you know, the people that support
Speaker 2: him and give him money, and his benefactors that elon
Speaker 2: musks and the butt kissing him. Okay, unelected appoint hees
Speaker 2: have too much power. And this is a much smaller
Speaker 2: scale because of the city of Cincinnati. But what Tyris Rawley,
Speaker 2: she's she's interfering with cops who or lawfully enforcement a
Speaker 2: law by arresting individuals without standing warned. So what you're
Speaker 2: supposed to do in your cop and she's telling the
Speaker 2: person you have rights to resist. This is a woman
Speaker 2: they pay over one hundred thousand dollars to who. By
Speaker 2: the way, three years ago, when Terry Thigi got the job,
Speaker 2: the candidates, including Terry, were interviewed by Iris Rowley. Had
Speaker 2: to pass the Iris Rowley test. What authority does she have?
Speaker 2: Two few and two infrequent state troopers, which they begrutually
Speaker 2: went along with, but just enough to make it, hey,
Speaker 2: we're cooperating with the state. You really aren't. They're coming
Speaker 2: in for like one, like one day a week or
Speaker 2: two days a week, something stupid like that. The state
Speaker 2: troopers had to be lectured by her. And if you
Speaker 2: talk about cronyism, Roly's son was hired to talk to
Speaker 2: young people at Fountain Square as a criminal pass and
Speaker 2: I guess it's maybe to get them on the right path.
Speaker 2: He's got a part time gig through his mom, paying
Speaker 2: sixty I think, what is it? Almost sixty thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a year. Fifty thousand dollars a year. Sixty dollars an
Speaker 2: hour basically is what it is. What to talk to
Speaker 2: people to Fountain Square. You're getting fifty sixty bucks an hour.
Speaker 2: Who the hell doesn't want that gig? And why does
Speaker 2: he have that job because of his experien No, because
Speaker 2: his mom is connected the Aftet. So for all the
Speaker 2: folks who are down on the riverfront this weekend with
Speaker 2: a No Kings rally and all the stuff that you're against,
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of there's a lot of things
Speaker 2: I get it with this president that people don't like.
Speaker 2: I understand it. Some of it I agree with myself.
Speaker 2: But for me who the problem is politics, it's not
Speaker 2: the politician, it's the party, it's the process. You know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of funny watching folks out there who are
Speaker 2: deep deep blue, angry at deep deep red, and they
Speaker 2: don't see that the deep deep problem is the same thing.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of characteristics I just laid out and
Speaker 2: probably many more that you can check the box for
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, but you can also check that box or
Speaker 2: Aftet puerful other stuff going on. Speaking of which, speaking
Speaker 2: of the presidential l this is one to me that
Speaker 2: I look at. I don't know. We're just people are
Speaker 2: just so angry at one side or the other that
Speaker 2: they just they can't see even when it's something is
Speaker 2: I don't know, minor as remodeling the White House. They're
Speaker 2: gonna make a big deal out of it. So the
Speaker 2: Australian Prime ministers and I guess someone bumped into a
Speaker 2: four hundred year old mir and Trump kind of lost
Speaker 2: his mind a little bit, which is kind of funny,
Speaker 2: but pointed out that he's worried about it about one
Speaker 2: mirror while the demolition crews at the same time are ripping,
Speaker 2: are destroying the east wing, and why are they destroying
Speaker 2: the east wing they make room for this gaudy ballroom.
Speaker 2: Hold on just a second, y'all. The White House came
Speaker 2: to be the White House in seventeen ninety two. That's
Speaker 2: two hundred and thirty three years, so let's just review
Speaker 2: a second. Okay, has that building changed you think substantially
Speaker 2: in the last two hundred and thirty plus years. Chester Arthur,
Speaker 2: Chester A Arthur, and the A stands well. I don't
Speaker 2: know what the A stands were, but it stands for something.
Speaker 2: Chester A. Arthur had a remodel done where it was
Speaker 2: largely Victorian, a lot of Tiffany glass. Some people like
Speaker 2: the tiffany glass, some people go it's too much. And
Speaker 2: one of those people to be Teddy Roosevelt, because twenty
Speaker 2: one years later he revitalized the White House added the
Speaker 2: West Wing. The West Wing wasn't always there. Teddy Roosevelt
Speaker 2: tr put in the West Wing. It's a separate building
Speaker 2: that houses, as you know, the staff, the secretary's cabinet room,
Speaker 2: all that stuff as well. Then our own, Cincinnati's own
Speaker 2: William Howard taff In nineteen oh nine, seven years later,
Speaker 2: comes in and expands the West Wing and says, you
Speaker 2: know what, We're gonna put an office in here, the
Speaker 2: Oval Office. The Oval Office was non existent till nineteen
Speaker 2: oh nine. In nineteen twenty seven, Calvin Coolidge put a
Speaker 2: third floor on and said, yeah, you know what, we're
Speaker 2: run out of space because we keep putting stuff in
Speaker 2: the attic. What if we just put a third floor
Speaker 2: in this thing? And at the time, the newspapers, one
Speaker 2: of the newspaper work anti Calvin Coolidge, going, what are
Speaker 2: we doing over here? I know it's the twenties, the
Speaker 2: Roaring twenties, that we've got money, but this seems irresponsible.
Speaker 2: And of course then during this whole remodel we had
Speaker 2: the Great Depression kick in near the end of that term.
Speaker 2: In nineteen forty eight, Truman said, okay, well we really
Speaker 2: need to double down here. And it was the most
Speaker 2: extensive renovation the history of the White House that lasted
Speaker 2: four years to remodel the White House entirely, which was
Speaker 2: well overneeded, desperately need at that point. But even since
Speaker 2: the Truman renovation. In nineteen fifty two, Jackie Kennedy created
Speaker 2: the Rose Garden and you know, Donald Trump blew that
Speaker 2: up and it pissed every Oh Rose Garden the history again,
Speaker 2: what was the Rose Garden before Jackie Kennedy did something there?
Speaker 2: Gerald Ford put a swimming pool in, Nixon put in
Speaker 2: a bowling alley. In seventy three, Obama did the Big
Speaker 2: dig and that just basically expanded the situation room and
Speaker 2: the space under the west wing, so nothing was destroyed there.
Speaker 2: But we've had a long history of blowing up the
Speaker 2: White House and doing different things. I just I don't
Speaker 2: understand why, hey, taking the west one would put a
Speaker 2: new ballroom in. It's just because Trump's doing it.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: If Biden had won the election and we're doing it,
Speaker 2: I'm sure people on the right be screaming about we
Speaker 2: don't have the money to do this stuff, and so
Speaker 2: it goes. It's just the silliness of it. We've been
Speaker 2: remodeling the White House periodically for a long time because
Speaker 2: the building is two hundred and thirty three years old,
Speaker 2: and eventually you look at it going, this isn't working anymore.
Speaker 2: And I forget what Nixon's bowling a. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's a bowling al anymore. It's something else. You think
Speaker 2: Obama had a basketball court put it or something. I
Speaker 2: don't know if the court was always there, but had
Speaker 2: that I wonder if that went away. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but it seems like they do a good job even
Speaker 2: with the shutdown, of taking care of themselves. And that
Speaker 2: is the point of the discussion. It's like you keep
Speaker 2: blaming one side or the other. You just keep making
Speaker 2: excuses for your team and ignoring it when the other.
Speaker 2: You emphasize it when the other side does it, they
Speaker 2: ignore it when your side does it. It's exhausting. I
Speaker 2: think for those of us, the eighty percent of us
Speaker 2: we just want to live our lives, make money, be
Speaker 2: left alone, probably feel about the same way. You know,
Speaker 2: back to the government shutdown. And as they said, as
Speaker 2: we get closer to thirty thirty five days in the
Speaker 2: significant of the shutdown gets greater and greater. You know,
Speaker 2: for the first couple of weeks, who cares, got some
Speaker 2: park shutdown. Okay, somebody could get paid. Eventually they get paid,
Speaker 2: you know, a month. And now it's starting to cut
Speaker 2: to the corel aboe. You know, we're getting job reports
Speaker 2: and things like that start to go by the wayside.
Speaker 2: And now you know, nuclear energy furloughs. Okay, well what
Speaker 2: does that look like? In the longer drags on, the
Speaker 2: deeper and deeper we start to feel this. But the beginning,
Speaker 2: it's it's we're still I believe we're still in the
Speaker 2: theater stage of this thing. Okay, nuclear weapons agency has
Speaker 2: been hit according to Fox News, Right, a government shutdown
Speaker 2: hits top nuclear weapons agency. All right, I'd be concerned
Speaker 2: if we had to launch nukes. Would you still be
Speaker 2: able to do that? Yes, yes we would because all
Speaker 2: but eight percent of the government is still open. That's
Speaker 2: not going to change the pain felt by federal workers
Speaker 2: and contractors. And maybe when you show up to get
Speaker 2: something done, like for example, got an email. Doesn't apply
Speaker 2: to me at all, but I pay Social Security as
Speaker 2: probably you do when you get an email from the
Speaker 2: Social Security adminster saying listen, you know what the officers
Speaker 2: are shot, but you still do stuff online. So, as
Speaker 2: I said just yesterday, as a matter of fact, to
Speaker 2: our buddy Schaeffer, over it all worth financial, they're going
Speaker 2: to get back together. I guess the people decide this
Speaker 2: to make sure that the COLO that would be the
Speaker 2: cost of living raiss for those on Social Security will
Speaker 2: get their cost of living increase, because if he didn't
Speaker 2: do that, and the old people who vote would be
Speaker 2: pissed off. Now you're literally putting your lips on that
Speaker 2: third rail, that's what you're doing. But you know, the
Speaker 2: stuff that's going to really really upset people, like social Security,
Speaker 2: we're still going to continue to do that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: And we're always going to do that because this is
Speaker 2: nothing but theater. Now. Granted, the longer we get into it,
Speaker 2: the more of those things will see and feel, and
Speaker 2: we'll just get tired of it, and eventually somebody's gonna
Speaker 2: blink and they'll come back and we'll just shut the
Speaker 2: government down again in about six or seven weeks and
Speaker 2: start this process all over again. Slowly. Here the big
Speaker 2: one seven hundred WLW do have some developing news, and
Speaker 2: we've been so I gots obsessed with the Terry Fiji
Speaker 2: thing that's still going on that there's actually other stuff
Speaker 2: going on in the world. One of those things is recall,
Speaker 2: right before all this broke was the intoxicating hemp law
Speaker 2: reform that was going down, where intoxicating hemp uh and
Speaker 2: that whole process is it's rather complex if you're not
Speaker 2: following what's going on there. We have beverages out there
Speaker 2: that have THHC in them, and THHG, of course, is
Speaker 2: the element in cannabis THHC delta nine in particular that
Speaker 2: gets you high. And there's a lot of confusion over
Speaker 2: this whole thing. I hope I can straighten it out
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit here, make some sense of this,
Speaker 2: because it's a complex issue as to why we're going
Speaker 2: after intoxicating hemp. And there's beverages out there that they
Speaker 2: sell that have THHC in it, but that derived from
Speaker 2: the hemp plant. And there's a lot of complex things.
Speaker 2: Large it's because of all the lack of regulation and
Speaker 2: then sweeping regulation coming in once the people pass something
Speaker 2: like legislating recuational marijuana. So cannabis and hemp are related plants.
Speaker 2: They look alike chemically, they're different. The part that gets
Speaker 2: you high AF is a lot less present than hemp.
Speaker 2: So in cannabis. THHC is a lot high. That's the
Speaker 2: stuff that gets you high, and CBD it's the opposite.
Speaker 2: It's it's a lot less. Hemp is legal in the
Speaker 2: United States. Cannabis isn't by federal law. Hemp is a plant,
Speaker 2: and bulk of hemp is actually used for fabric and
Speaker 2: clothing and stuff like that. Rope think for example, so
Speaker 2: THG gets you high, CBD doesn't. Hemp has something like
Speaker 2: point three percent thhdn just a trace amount of it.
Speaker 2: So somebody along the line said, hey, you know what,
Speaker 2: since there's this hemp loophole, quote unquote, if we just
Speaker 2: get a hell of a lot of hemp and extract
Speaker 2: that point three percent thhd, we can take that and
Speaker 2: it'll have the same effect as marijuana plant the Americ
Speaker 2: cannabis plan. So technically it's a loophole because we will
Speaker 2: always find a way around prohibition always we always have
Speaker 2: in the world. If there's a black market, somebody's gonna
Speaker 2: find it, So hemp products will be sold almost anywhere
Speaker 2: in the state, and the government has no jurisdiction. That's
Speaker 2: why we have this emergency order from Towne. Because the
Speaker 2: legislature was slow to move on changing end of it's
Speaker 2: because they're being held hostage, I guess by the far right.
Speaker 2: And we're afraid of church groups yelling at us because
Speaker 2: dare someone put something or do something that they disagree
Speaker 2: with put some of their body disagree with that. That's
Speaker 2: how it works. And so the other thing you did
Speaker 2: know about Delta eight nine is eight is considered a less
Speaker 2: potent and milder than delta nine. That is a big
Speaker 2: component in cannabis, and you get more of a subdued
Speaker 2: high in that it's a little more relaxing, a little
Speaker 2: more clear headed, and delta nine is your classic weaed high.
Speaker 2: And so we have these beverages that are infused with
Speaker 2: that product, the Delta eight that people enjoy. And then
Speaker 2: talking to well like the folks at fifty West for example,
Speaker 2: said hey, listen, you know our craft brew the whole
Speaker 2: craft brew thing starting to die. People are kind of
Speaker 2: craft brewed out. But you know what they really really like.
Speaker 2: They like these seltzers. They like these waters essentially that
Speaker 2: are infused with that delta eight. So you get the
Speaker 2: same effect as alcohol, but also a lot of people
Speaker 2: like the way you feel the day after. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of people get hangovers. By the way, my
Speaker 2: superpower never get hungover, get drinkingdrink and drink, and wake
Speaker 2: up the next day ready to go. Don't know why,
Speaker 2: just how it is in that regard. People are going, well,
Speaker 2: you know what, I don't have that feeling I have
Speaker 2: the next day. I can have a couple of these
Speaker 2: and feel nice, have a good, warm feeling about me
Speaker 2: as you get with alcohol. But I don't have the
Speaker 2: residual effect. Okay, you're twenty one or older. What's wrong
Speaker 2: with that? Nothing? So the good news is, rather than
Speaker 2: we had this ninety day ban, and then of course
Speaker 2: there was a three companies, one here in Cincinnati filing
Speaker 2: a lawsuit against this, and there's an injunction that stops
Speaker 2: so you can still drink those beverages at fifty West
Speaker 2: and elsewhere. It's all good now. Finally, what looks like
Speaker 2: we have the legislature being forced at gunpoint to do
Speaker 2: what they're unwilling to do, and we have new legislation
Speaker 2: that addresses all this stuff. The guy behind it, of course,
Speaker 2: is Steve Hoffman. He's a physician and also state senator
Speaker 2: from just the Tip City. He joins me next on
Speaker 2: the show, to talk about this and more coming up
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WW Cincinnati Good Morning. He's got fum
Speaker 2: here on seven hundred WW streaming on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: We have the TG stuff going on, of course, and
Speaker 2: we also have this. This is kind of breaking news
Speaker 2: and you're getting at first, three Ohio companies, you know,
Speaker 2: FIUL a lawsuit challenging Governor to wines emergency order to
Speaker 2: ban the sale of low level intoxicating him products, namely
Speaker 2: those celtzas you like because they're infused with Delta eight.
Speaker 2: And a lawsuit was enjoined by those companies and he
Speaker 2: had a ninety day ban in effect, and that was
Speaker 2: set aside. But guess what, we may have a resolution.
Speaker 2: We may have a resolution in this whole sort of
Speaker 2: affair on that is Ohio Senator Steve Huffman out of
Speaker 2: just a Tip City. He's a physician by trade, but
Speaker 2: also longtime lawmaker in the Senate. Steve, Good morning, Houses
Speaker 2: Wednesday morning.
Speaker 5: Find you, beautiful day, beautiful day all as well.
Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. How about you? So you sponsored
Speaker 2: Senate Bill fifty six that was the controversial one overhauls
Speaker 2: of cannabis laws, consolidates and revises medical and adult use
Speaker 2: marijuana regulations, also establishes, in more importantly, a regulatory flame
Speaker 2: framework for all the stuff to work. So all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, toxicating hemp comes along and people are going, oh, well,
Speaker 2: we can kind of milk that hamp and get old
Speaker 2: thc out of it enough to make it intoxicating beverage
Speaker 2: or edible or vape or tincture or something along those lines. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: because it's not regulated, some retailers, not a lot of them,
Speaker 2: but a number of them, to take notice, are selling
Speaker 2: them the kids, and we can't have that. I understand
Speaker 2: that whole thing. I thought that the ninety day ban
Speaker 2: was all overreaching when you're preventing adultshom enjoying. But again,
Speaker 2: the lawsuit forces the hand, the Governor Dwine forces the hand,
Speaker 2: and the end result is we're hearing that there's a
Speaker 2: sub bill to be added to your Senate Bill fifty six.
Speaker 2: It would add hemp regulation to it. Kind of bringing
Speaker 2: everything together on the same page.
Speaker 5: Is that.
Speaker 2: The short story is that the quick read.
Speaker 5: The quick read. I also had the Senate passed out
Speaker 5: my bill sent Bill eighty six was on hemp, and
Speaker 5: basically what we did was put all the intoxicating hemp
Speaker 5: into the dispensaries, and that's where the two got put together.
Speaker 5: And we have one product on marijuana. And and the
Speaker 5: House yesterday spoke about you know, they've passed out of
Speaker 5: committee basically changing the hemp things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can't you know, the idea of going
Speaker 2: to a convenience store, be it anyone for that matter,
Speaker 2: no idea whatsoever, you're going to buy something that can
Speaker 2: get you as intoxicated as an adult beverage. You need
Speaker 2: to be card at ID four at age twenty one.
Speaker 2: That didn't apply. It was kind of a loopholear that
Speaker 2: cleans all this up. So you won't see retailers carryouts,
Speaker 2: roague carryouts for that matter, doing what we're talking about here,
Speaker 2: because you can't have that.
Speaker 5: And I agree with that, right, I mean, the overall
Speaker 5: premise is you have to be twenty one in over
Speaker 5: to buy it. Now there's you know, the established as
Speaker 5: a license where four hundred places that are already selling
Speaker 5: this in eighty percent of their retail is him. They
Speaker 5: will be able to continue to do this. But in here,
Speaker 5: as you've spoken before, and your wife enjoys the cannabis
Speaker 5: strength that you'd be able to sell the five percent
Speaker 5: of the five milligrams of THHC in a bar, but
Speaker 5: you would be able to as a carryout by ten
Speaker 5: milligrams from that bar or from a liquor establishment at
Speaker 5: twenty one and over.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I again most people, myself included doctor, Really
Speaker 2: I don't understand five milligrams a ham two million. I
Speaker 2: look at some gummies that are five MILLI not point five,
Speaker 2: but five milligram or ten milligram gummies, which you certainly
Speaker 2: can feel the effect of. From what I understand, the
Speaker 2: point five seems rather low. Is there nothing point five milligrams?
Speaker 2: And let's say a can of seltzer? How does that
Speaker 2: compare to let's say a can of beer. As far
Speaker 2: as the effect, I.
Speaker 5: Think the effect of five milligrams is like a six
Speaker 5: percent bud. Like you know you have one, Hey, you're
Speaker 5: not I really feel much of the fact. You know,
Speaker 5: two or three or four you may start getting intoxicated
Speaker 5: and do funny things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that makes sense. You drink three or four
Speaker 2: of them, you're starting to feel the effects a bit,
Speaker 2: which you know you don't want to make it completely
Speaker 2: alcohol or in this case THHC free because it defeats
Speaker 2: the purpose if you're looking to, you know, maybe feel good.
Speaker 2: And let's face a lot of people like to say,
Speaker 2: I drink Why do I like craft beer? I like
Speaker 2: the taste? Why do I like bourbon? I like the
Speaker 2: taste of it? Most people drink it to get well
Speaker 2: messed up. Let's let's just call it what it is
Speaker 2: and a little chemical yoga. As long as you do
Speaker 2: it in control, you're not driving who you hurt, and
Speaker 2: except maybe yourself a little bit. Now, if it gets
Speaker 2: to be a habit, different story. But nonetheless, these are
Speaker 2: the vices which adults are allowed to enjoin the Buckeye
Speaker 2: State and across this country of our stief off men.
Speaker 2: It fine with it, So that's good. Is there anything
Speaker 2: in here? Is this gonna let's rewind You may not
Speaker 2: know the answer to this, but we'll let's satisfy those
Speaker 2: who the three companies that brought the suit in the
Speaker 2: first place. I mean, have you met with them? So okay,
Speaker 2: what are your grievances? And this addresses them, and less
Speaker 2: satisfy that lawsuit, so simply it goes away.
Speaker 5: That's a good questions. There's some things in here that
Speaker 5: bothers the industry. So one of the big thing about
Speaker 5: the ballot in issues that has been a concern is
Speaker 5: the monopoly that it created so that anybody in the
Speaker 5: industry got to stay in the industry. We're limiting the
Speaker 5: number of marijuana dispensaries. Well, this bill does the same thing.
Speaker 5: So it only's going to provide four hundred license to
Speaker 5: the four hundred people that are.
Speaker 7: Doing it now.
Speaker 5: So if Scott Sloan said, I want to have the
Speaker 5: hemp score, well it would be very difficult for a
Speaker 5: number of reasons. One there's only there's no more licenses
Speaker 5: is we're giving them out to the people that are
Speaker 5: already there. And number two, if there's a license, you're
Speaker 5: going to stay seventy thousand dollars a year, and the
Speaker 5: other guys that are already established or are are going
Speaker 5: to pay ten thousand or fifteen thousand for their license.
Speaker 5: It doesn't really seem a capitalist thing that the pre
Speaker 5: market that I mean, shouldn't we have let anybody it
Speaker 5: provides a safe store to be able to sell it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that seems reasonable to me, and I think
Speaker 2: that's a reasonable suggestion. We'll see what the industry's reaction
Speaker 2: to that is. But but at the same time, we're
Speaker 2: also limiting it to like four hundred damp outlets across
Speaker 2: the state with millions of people. You know, you talk
Speaker 2: about I guess capitalism and and you know, having a
Speaker 2: market there, and I think hemp dispensersky they can't be
Speaker 2: with like a mile each other something like that. Why
Speaker 2: why such, why the restrictions there?
Speaker 5: You know, I think the House tried to model some
Speaker 5: things that we did uh in in marijuana in you know,
Speaker 5: I think to prevent you don't want in downtown Cincinnati
Speaker 5: every other store to be marijuana and hemp. And you know,
Speaker 5: also in this bill, it allows the city townships to
Speaker 5: say I just don't want hemp, I just don't want marijuana.
Speaker 5: You can't come in, and that's their right, but you
Speaker 5: know it would limit it that. You know, a few
Speaker 5: months ago when I was testifying, I kind of threw
Speaker 5: people for a loophole and I said, I think we
Speaker 5: should deregulate marijuana within five years. Anybody should be able to.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you can, if you have the money,
Speaker 5: and you can provide a store that's and process it
Speaker 5: and grow it properly and under the surveillance of the
Speaker 5: Cannabis Commission, go at it.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 5: If we really want to drive down prices and have
Speaker 5: a free market, we should deregulate it. But that fell
Speaker 5: on deaf ears.
Speaker 2: One would think, because the market would control. But in
Speaker 2: this case, you know, you have four hundred outlets for
Speaker 2: a state that has damn near twelve million people. I'm
Speaker 2: doing the math on that one. It doesn't math that much.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: Granted a lot of our state is rural, but I
Speaker 2: just wonder if that's too few, how do you determine
Speaker 2: that number? What's that even based on.
Speaker 5: I think they looked at about how many stores are
Speaker 5: currently out there and to hold it artificially low so
Speaker 5: it benefits to current people, it does not benefit entrepreneurism
Speaker 5: out there at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you look at how little the stuff cost
Speaker 2: in Michigan. It's because, man, I'll tell you, up there,
Speaker 2: they have tons of it. Now, some may say, well
Speaker 2: it's too much, but again you have a gold rush
Speaker 2: and opportunity for entrepreneurs to get into the game, and
Speaker 2: so you'll see a lot of storefronts. What happens generally
Speaker 2: in the cycle of business then is those little fish
Speaker 2: either can't figure out a business model to make it work.
Speaker 2: They go out of business, which happens all the time
Speaker 2: to natural cycle things, or they get successful and they
Speaker 2: get bought up by bigger fish and eventually, you know,
Speaker 2: you have a limited number of fish in the market
Speaker 2: to control everything. So that but that's down the line,
Speaker 2: and it seems like we're artificially blocking that market right there.
Speaker 2: He is Ohio Senator Steve Hoffman on the show on
Speaker 2: seven hundred WW the good news about this band and
Speaker 2: how that affects you as if you enjoy the THHC
Speaker 2: laced beverages like at fifty West, for example, the sunflower
Speaker 2: products are really good. This is this is going to
Speaker 2: allow this to continue to occur. So for example at
Speaker 2: fifty West or any local company around here, they say, listen,
Speaker 2: our beer sales. Craft beer is kind of it's dwindling's
Speaker 2: starting to go down. Numbers are going now. We had
Speaker 2: peak craft beer, but so many more people now are
Speaker 2: enjoying these thhcht lays drinks. They're going to still be
Speaker 2: able to sell them at a bar. The ones with
Speaker 2: the higher amounts will have to be sold at a
Speaker 2: carry out correct.
Speaker 5: More takeout from the bar.
Speaker 4: Okay, So if you can't sell the.
Speaker 5: Ten milligrams to drink to the bar, you have to
Speaker 5: take that out. It's the way it's currently.
Speaker 2: Written good because that was a concern. They're like, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: craft beer is dying, and now you guys are going
Speaker 2: to put this ninety day moratorium on creating crafting product
Speaker 2: and selling it. I'm going to go out of business.
Speaker 2: And fortunately, I think what the governor did, and I
Speaker 2: disagree with holding up the children as a reason why
Speaker 2: to do this an extreme example, but he did what
Speaker 2: he set out to do and that has forced the
Speaker 2: legislature and force the lawmakers in Columbus to act on
Speaker 2: and do something about this loophole and specifically regulating this product.
Speaker 2: And I get if government comes in, we need to
Speaker 2: regulate things, make sure it's safe and fair, and also
Speaker 2: make sure it's not falling in the hands of the underage.
Speaker 2: And that's what regulatory regulatory framework does. I understand that
Speaker 2: it's just manned the legislature dragging their feet on this thing,
Speaker 2: and it makes no sense to me because the end
Speaker 2: result is people wind up losing out. And also, you know,
Speaker 2: you're making business have to work harder to work around
Speaker 2: the slow pace of the government. I understand that fortunately
Speaker 2: we had in this case the legislature moving forward and saying, okay,
Speaker 2: we're going to come up with some frameworks here and
Speaker 2: maybe this will work out for everyone.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: One of the other things I saw here, and I
Speaker 2: saw kind of the outline of the of the code itself.
Speaker 2: It allows this whole municipalities, as you said, to ban
Speaker 2: happen marijuana dispensers. For in Mason, for example, long ago
Speaker 2: they said we don't want this here, still not there.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it also prohibits them from
Speaker 2: taxing these products. So is there a rationale there for
Speaker 2: giving cities the power to ban but not the tax.
Speaker 5: We don't want to drive the price up from one.
Speaker 5: He has always been the philosophy, especially on marijuana, that
Speaker 5: if you you know, let them tacked. You know, in
Speaker 5: this bill, we're doing what the municipalities want, because if
Speaker 5: you go back to the Ballid initiative, the Vallid initiative
Speaker 5: taxed it at ten percent and then put thirty six
Speaker 5: to the locals. But there's a flaw in it that
Speaker 5: did not release the money to the locals. So over
Speaker 5: the last almost two years, they haven't gotten the money,
Speaker 5: and so this bill would keep that intact and then
Speaker 5: given a mechanism to release the money. It would also
Speaker 5: add a ten percent tax on a HMP product. If
Speaker 5: that's constitutional. Uh, we're still working through that because you're
Speaker 5: not allowed to tax things from out of that come
Speaker 5: from out of state at a higher rate, and you
Speaker 5: at tax your own stuff as a federal law. So
Speaker 5: we'll see if that that'll work.
Speaker 3: Out for us.
Speaker 2: All right, And then in the regulatory I mean it's
Speaker 2: kind of wonky. I suppose as I read through the
Speaker 2: note on this and said, okay, well, we've got these
Speaker 2: different regulatory frameworks, right, We've got the hemp dispensaries or
Speaker 2: under cannabis control, the drinkables under liquor control. Does that
Speaker 2: create confusion and inefficiency?
Speaker 7: It can?
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're a business that has two if
Speaker 5: you do, if you're if you're a hint and you
Speaker 5: have gummies and all sorts of ointments and stuff like that,
Speaker 5: and you also have beverages, you're answering to two masters.
Speaker 2: Now right right?
Speaker 5: It does. But you look at it at Kroger's or
Speaker 5: a grocery store, you know they have they have to
Speaker 5: back a license, they have a liquor license, they have
Speaker 5: a pharmacy, they're they're answering the multil agent agencies in
Speaker 5: the state of Ohio and federal agencies also. But sometimes
Speaker 5: that's that's the way it works out. If that's the
Speaker 5: business line, you need.
Speaker 2: One of the other things in here. Steve Hoffmann relative
Speaker 2: to the regulatory structure, I was talking to our friends
Speaker 2: at fifty West about this after this EDA came down
Speaker 2: from the governor of the ninety day ban and what
Speaker 2: that would do to business, and it's horrible. So they're
Speaker 2: they're they're cranking out the sunflower product right now, which
Speaker 2: is what we're talking about, and a lot of people
Speaker 2: enjoy that. Of course, there's other brewers and manufacturers that
Speaker 2: do this locally, and God bless them because I like
Speaker 2: when people make money. It makes them make pay taxes
Speaker 2: and everybody's happy, especially when it's something leisurely and a
Speaker 2: vice like drinking an adult beverage. So this doesn't require
Speaker 2: those companies, the cannabinoid manufacturers to have sales toritories for distributors,
Speaker 2: kind of like alcohol distribution. Does that limit market efficiency
Speaker 2: and competition or is that like, hey, we do this
Speaker 2: for alcohol, so it would be fair to do it
Speaker 2: to these products as well.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that was their philosophy. They do it
Speaker 5: for alcohol. You know, there's a thought that we should.
Speaker 5: To me, it's a disadvantage the vast majority that does
Speaker 5: the hamp products in beverages or the craft brewers. And
Speaker 5: you look at ryan Geist there in Cincinnati. I mean,
Speaker 5: and I don't know how many they do, but just
Speaker 5: say they're going to do. They have you know, ten
Speaker 5: bars in Cincinnati and twenty retail outlets that they sell it.
Speaker 5: They would be more efficient to load their truck up
Speaker 5: at their factory and drive to those places rather than
Speaker 5: to take that truck to the distributor, which might be
Speaker 5: in Middletown and then that truck will then disperse thing
Speaker 5: to it. Certainly wouldn't be as efficient and probably cost effective.
Speaker 5: So because it's they tend to be more on the
Speaker 5: smaller scale. That's certainly not the Budweisers that are doing it,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 2: Right, Steve Hoffman, all right, So this is just kind
Speaker 2: of like written in pencil, not pen yet. What is
Speaker 2: the timeline for getting this done? You think what happens next?
Speaker 5: Well, the so the house passed it out. You know
Speaker 5: if we sent that over there in March, so they've
Speaker 5: been sitting on it for seven months. So the inactivity
Speaker 5: was not from the from the from the Senate standpoint.
Speaker 5: But I do not think that the Senate is going
Speaker 5: to agree with the current form. I think probably in
Speaker 5: the next two or three weeks, you know, certainly before Thanksgiving,
Speaker 5: we will sit down and uh take the good on
Speaker 5: both sides and come up with something that both of
Speaker 5: us in the industry can is reasonable to be safe
Speaker 5: and have an efficient industry here in the state of Lahar.
Speaker 2: So in the meantime, everything works away, it was working before.
Speaker 5: The goodness is you got about right with with the
Speaker 5: with the temporary restraining order. Everything's working us before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you'll fill the void and we'll never notice,
Speaker 2: which is how I like things to work. It's like
Speaker 2: when my phone or my tablet or my computer updates.
Speaker 2: It does it in the dark night when I'm dead asleep, Steve,
Speaker 2: and I wake up, and everything's the way it should be.
Speaker 2: That's what I want in us.
Speaker 5: Well, you hope that's the way it works because you're
Speaker 5: in trouble.
Speaker 2: Well, if next time we talk and we're talking about
Speaker 2: the blue Screen of death, and we've got a real problems.
Speaker 2: But hopefully all this happens behind the scene and you
Speaker 2: can go to a bar or a restaurant in order to
Speaker 2: your favorite CBD beverage. Steve Hoffman, Senator Steve Hoffman from
Speaker 2: a Tip City, I appreciate your help on this too,
Speaker 2: and help and figure this out. It's a complex issue,
Speaker 2: but we need more joy in life, not less joy.
Speaker 2: But if you know drinking a THHC infused seltzer is
Speaker 2: not your joy, well it certainly is someone else's, and
Speaker 2: damn it. As an American, as an Ohioan, I want
Speaker 2: to fight and make sure and I know you do too,
Speaker 2: that that people can do that and enjoy that, provided
Speaker 2: they're twenty one or older and doing it responsibly. All
Speaker 2: the best to you, my friend. Thanks again, you take
Speaker 2: care of that. Take care. I say more intoxicating beverages, edibles, tintures, vapes,
Speaker 2: et cetera, not less. I'm on the pro chemical yoga
Speaker 2: side of life. Wear I'm a little eye voted sticker. Look,
Speaker 2: we got to get a news update. And why do
Speaker 2: we enjoy adult beverages and other things that make us relaxed? Well,
Speaker 2: because of real life Streussors. Biggest stress or we're facing
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, of course, is what the hell is happening
Speaker 2: with crime and the police chief? And how is this
Speaker 2: whole thing handled by the way, I say not well,
Speaker 2: I would say horribly by this administration. Julie Bouki, our career,
Speaker 2: Shirpa spent a lifetime in HR. She knows all how
Speaker 2: this stuff should work, and when it doesn't work, she
Speaker 2: pokes holes in it. She's going to do that. Next.
Speaker 2: It's Julie on the job, Scott's loan seven hundred wl WT.
Speaker 1: Giving you a vocational leg up on everyone else.
Speaker 2: Here's our career, shirp on it. Julie Bouki, Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I always love it when a topic comes up, something
Speaker 2: comes up that's ripped from the pages of today's headlines.
Speaker 2: And of course that would be what's transpired here in
Speaker 2: the last three days with the chief Terry Thiji. And
Speaker 2: she was summoned backed. You may recall last week from Denver.
Speaker 2: She's at a conference in Denver Police Chiefs conference. They
Speaker 2: tell you got to get come back. We have urgent
Speaker 2: business regarding the safety of Cincinnati. Now what in burgent
Speaker 2: business I was w No one knows because there's really
Speaker 2: nothing happening. Wasn't a shoe like we had a Fountain Square.
Speaker 2: We had the Thursday night occurrence, but that was still
Speaker 2: being investigated. It wasn't like a big mass casually event
Speaker 2: she had to come back for thank god. And immediately
Speaker 2: it got out that well, they're going to fire her,
Speaker 2: and then it turned into a paid administrative leave and
Speaker 2: there were no answers coming from city Hall relative to well,
Speaker 2: what did she do or did she not do that
Speaker 2: caused her her job essentially, and she's hanging limbo. She's
Speaker 2: not been fired, she's still unpaid leave, although we have
Speaker 2: an interim chief that's in the fact right now and
Speaker 2: the end results are paying her. We had her attorneys
Speaker 2: speak live on the radio yesterday at ten am about
Speaker 2: what was transpiring that she actually had. There was no
Speaker 2: cause to do this whatsoever. She was always never really
Speaker 2: anything bad in her record of thirty five years law enforcement.
Speaker 2: She's the chief. We have a crime spree. But is
Speaker 2: that relative to the policy set forth by this administration
Speaker 2: and raft at pure vault or is that Chief Thigi
Speaker 2: to the point where what does chief Interim Chief Henny
Speaker 2: get you? That Chief Thiji doesn't get you, and no
Speaker 2: one can answer that question. It is a clustered and
Speaker 2: a dumpster fire and a tire fire all in one.
Speaker 2: Julie Balk, Welcome back. Good to have you on. Julie
Speaker 2: on the Job, our career SHIPA who is a licensed
Speaker 2: professional in the state of human resources. How are you?
Speaker 6: I would this day that I have opinions, I have
Speaker 6: strong opinions that I'm not willing that I'm not unwilling
Speaker 6: to that I'm not unwilling to share. So that's where
Speaker 6: we are, and yeah, you're right. This is first of all,
Speaker 6: anytime you have something that happens at this level in
Speaker 6: a city where everybody's got their hands in the pie
Speaker 6: in terms of everybody has a stake. When you really
Speaker 6: think about there's the community, there's the government, there's the FOP,
Speaker 6: there's you know, the police officers, there's there's all these
Speaker 6: different constituencies, the media, in the fact that we do
Speaker 6: have an election for mayor coming up in two weeks,
Speaker 6: there's all of those things. It's almost like they just
Speaker 6: get thrown into a caldron using a Halloween theme and
Speaker 6: stirred up and so there are there's so much we
Speaker 6: don't know here what we do know is that the
Speaker 6: crime problem, whatever your perception of it is, is never
Speaker 6: just the fault of one person. But when you are
Speaker 6: the leader of an organization, of an organization, you will
Speaker 6: all you will often take the slings and arrows, whether
Speaker 6: you are beloved by your group or not. That's just
Speaker 6: the nature of being in a high level position, in
Speaker 6: a high level position, in a high visibility role, where
Speaker 6: there are so many different people with stakes in it.
Speaker 6: And it's you know, I was reading a bunch of
Speaker 6: stuffs and watching a bunch of videos this morning in
Speaker 6: preparation for this and was reminded that the city is
Speaker 6: still in an ongoing dispute with the past fire chief. Yep,
Speaker 6: and that's been continuing.
Speaker 2: And Steven Ann, the guy who represents Terry Fiji, also
Speaker 2: represents former Chief Washington. So it's sound employment and it's
Speaker 2: all battled out in the public eye, unlike typically where
Speaker 2: we all work and where you work, if you're listening,
Speaker 2: there may be a regime change, there may be layoffs.
Speaker 2: We just did that, and there's no easy way. We've
Speaker 2: often talked about the fire people. You call up in
Speaker 2: one at a time on firing day and you just
Speaker 2: wait for your name to be called. You bring everybody
Speaker 2: in one big cattle call and fire group of people.
Speaker 2: That's in humane as well. There's no real good way
Speaker 2: to do this. But the way this whole thing is handled,
Speaker 2: because it's in the public eye, it's the government that
Speaker 2: technically works for us because the people are the government
Speaker 2: a lot. I'm safe to say every man and woman
Speaker 2: who's following the story is not pleased at how it's
Speaker 2: been handled so far. So this is a different thing.
Speaker 2: And then, as you mentioned, politics are involved here too,
Speaker 2: because in an election coming up, how does this help
Speaker 2: have to add peerval to get re elected or doesn't it.
Speaker 2: I think he thinks he's got in the bag. It
Speaker 2: really doesn't matter. I'm just curious to see what happens
Speaker 2: at this point. Let's get into that, Julie. If you're
Speaker 2: on Terry's team, Terry Thiji, what are you going to
Speaker 2: get out of this? You're not going to get your
Speaker 2: job back, are you.
Speaker 6: Yeah? So, if she were sitting with me right now,
Speaker 6: and I've met her several times, you know, but if
Speaker 6: she was asking my advice, very she's asking my advice,
Speaker 6: that's what I would say. I said, what do you
Speaker 6: want out of this. If you get your job back,
Speaker 6: it's going to be under incredibly increased scrutiny and attention.
Speaker 6: You're going to be put back into your job against
Speaker 6: the wishes of the people who are responsible for hiring
Speaker 6: and firing, which you know since two thousand and one
Speaker 6: that falls under the city manager. And so what what
Speaker 6: are you trying to get out of this? I don't
Speaker 6: get the sense. And this is just me kind of
Speaker 6: reading between the lines, which is a little dangerous, but
Speaker 6: is that it's not about she's trying to get some
Speaker 6: big severance package. It's about I am being targeted for
Speaker 6: something that is not that of course I have some
Speaker 6: responsibility for, but it's not entirely my responsibility. There are
Speaker 6: when you look at these problems that have come up,
Speaker 6: And I just want to say that last night I
Speaker 6: lived downtown and last night I was out walking around
Speaker 6: and it was dark, and I was down by Fountain
Speaker 6: Square and I saw no less than twelve police officers,
Speaker 6: no less. I was counting them, which then made me say, Okay,
Speaker 6: we know there's a staffing shortage. We know where are
Speaker 6: they not showing up where they need to be showing up?
Speaker 6: And so I'm very sympathetic to It's not her fault.
Speaker 6: It's not the officers on the street. They can't be
Speaker 6: everywhere at once. It's not all the mayor's fault. There's
Speaker 6: a lot of responsibility that lies in the home and
Speaker 6: with the community. And any time you have something like
Speaker 6: this that's such a hot potato, you've got Corey Bowman,
Speaker 6: the other candidate for MA chiming in. It's it's almost like,
Speaker 6: and I hate to say this, but in almost every situation,
Speaker 6: even in a corporate situation, someone is going to take
Speaker 6: the fall. Is it right, No, of course not, but
Speaker 6: it is. It is what it is. And I was
Speaker 6: thinking about this because when I back when I was
Speaker 6: in HR, we had this guy who he has passed away.
Speaker 6: So I always feel like I can tell the story.
Speaker 6: Really he ran the department, and he was just a
Speaker 6: massive creep, like Harvey Weinstein creep, and everybody knew it's
Speaker 6: but his numbers were really good, his results were really good,
Speaker 6: and so nobody everyone was like, uh huh, huh, huhuh
Speaker 6: when you try to say, here's what's going on. And
Speaker 6: he was supposed to lose Cannon in so many different ways,
Speaker 6: and nobody wanted to hear it because the train was
Speaker 6: running on the tracks at least from a results point.
Speaker 6: The minute the train started go off the tracks, he
Speaker 6: became and I Meannumber one and he was fired. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 6: you're the same guy doing the same creepy thing today
Speaker 6: that you were yesterday. But now all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: you know it's a problem. And so when you know so,
Speaker 6: it's it's human nature. Whether you're in the police department
Speaker 6: or Kroger or anywhere, look at look at the top.
Speaker 6: Person is always in the crosshairs. And you know, I
Speaker 6: was reading through all these things, listening to people's comments,
Speaker 6: people in the community, and there's a lot of support
Speaker 6: for her in the community talking about her policing style.
Speaker 6: But I also saw some videos from you know, our
Speaker 6: buddy Ken Cober talking about his fondness for the interim chief,
Speaker 6: Adam Henny. So that availed message that says, wow, we're
Speaker 6: so glad to have Adam Henny because maybe the leader
Speaker 6: the rank and file in the FOP didn't respect her
Speaker 6: as a leader, and the city saying ineffective leadership. And
Speaker 6: so if you're going to lead with that as a
Speaker 6: as a reason, then You've got to be able to
Speaker 6: back that up when this goes to court, because it will.
Speaker 2: Well there's there's the thing is Julie Balugare curusher, but
Speaker 2: Julian on the job this morning, every Wednesday morning, this
Speaker 2: time with Sony on seven hundred WLW tell you the
Speaker 2: biggest story, of course, that would be Terry Figi And
Speaker 2: this is perfect for her because it is hr and
Speaker 2: how it's mishandled and how no one knows why the
Speaker 2: reasons why Chief Thiji was well not even fired at this.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing is paid administrative leave. If you're fired,
Speaker 2: you're fired. Why why don't they just drop the X
Speaker 2: and say okay, it's now Adam Henny. That's another thing
Speaker 2: is why prolong this?
Speaker 6: You know? And I don't The thing we don't know
Speaker 6: what are the terms of the contract. Someone did say
Speaker 6: that in the contract she a couple of things that
Speaker 6: she's entitled to if she were to leave, and I
Speaker 6: don't think Seth is mentioned, so it could be. And
Speaker 6: this is where this is what the previous fire chief.
Speaker 6: One of his claims is I did not get due process. Okay,
Speaker 6: so what does that look like? And so you can
Speaker 6: either when it comes to what is due process? Let's
Speaker 6: say for firing a police chief, for a fire chief.
Speaker 6: Let's just pull this out of the air, because that's
Speaker 6: what we've got in front of it. What does that
Speaker 6: look like? What does due process look like? My opinion
Speaker 6: of it might be very different from yours. So is
Speaker 6: that review of all of the reasoning and the evidence
Speaker 6: bipartisan committee? Is that a period of time in which
Speaker 6: people get to get their act together, like maybe sixty days,
Speaker 6: where people can gather their thoughts. So what is the purpose?
Speaker 6: There has to be a purpose. I don't know if
Speaker 6: they thought when she was being put on paid administrative
Speaker 6: lead that she would quit, but they had to know
Speaker 6: that this was coming no big surprise. And so from
Speaker 6: a strategy standpoint, if you're in the city, you have
Speaker 6: to get in the room home with all the people
Speaker 6: who have their fingers in this and say, okay, so
Speaker 6: what does the contract say? Are we living by the
Speaker 6: terms of the contract? And do we generally operate?
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 6: Are we generally operating the same with everybody? Yes?
Speaker 7: Are we being fair?
Speaker 6: What is our evidence that she's an ineffective leader? Who
Speaker 6: says so? And why now not?
Speaker 2: What's the evaluation? And It's like if she's enforcing the
Speaker 2: policies that our policies are placed in by the people
Speaker 2: above her, and she just enforces the policies and the
Speaker 2: dictates of the office, so she doesn't control that. But
Speaker 2: we know that in politics there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: that follow the sword for the people above them, and
Speaker 2: then they're made whole later when no one's paying attention.
Speaker 2: God only knows what that includes. But I also heard
Speaker 2: too that there is no non disclosure agreement here, so
Speaker 2: you got to get her to sign an NDA. And
Speaker 2: as you know, NDAs can be costly because if you're
Speaker 2: cheap thieves, you probably know some things and have evidence
Speaker 2: that are going to make the administration namely share long
Speaker 2: the city and most likely have to appear of all
Speaker 2: but others. You've got some dirt there, and and to
Speaker 2: make people like this shut up, you got to cut
Speaker 2: them a big check. So the question is, Julie, how
Speaker 2: big a check are we talking? And am I wrong
Speaker 2: about that analysis?
Speaker 6: No, no, you're not wrong. I think that the decision
Speaker 6: before anything happens, before you say get back from Denver
Speaker 6: today instead of two days from now, which seems kind of.
Speaker 2: Like why arbitrary it's arbitrary.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to say, okay, what's worst case? Here?
Speaker 7: What it's worst case?
Speaker 6: She sueses, all this stuff becomes public. How do we
Speaker 6: Because if you didn't think she was in a file
Speaker 6: a lawsuit, you have not been paying attention, right, because
Speaker 6: it's and so I don't I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just it makes the way it looks
Speaker 8: and I always say, okay, we don't know everything, but
Speaker 8: the way it looks to the community is there's a
Speaker 8: handle in a chaotic manner and a non thoughtful that
Speaker 8: brings in the bring that considers all the possible outcomes.
Speaker 6: Because now you potentially have her and a lawsuit sitting
Speaker 6: out there next to Michael Washington's lawsuit which has been
Speaker 6: going on for years now. And now what if they
Speaker 6: have if they end up for a seventh tape? Where's that?
Speaker 6: Where's that money coming from?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know how much longer you can delay.
Speaker 2: You you've been on that side of the desk of
Speaker 2: the NDAs and stuff in this for anyone listening. If
Speaker 2: they trace that, you get fired normally, here's your check,
Speaker 2: here's your two weeks, two months, two years, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: This is what you're and tel we're give you this
Speaker 2: in exchange for this check. Here's this check. Uh, and
Speaker 2: now you just lost your job. You don't have the
Speaker 2: future holds. You're probably scared to death. That's they've got
Speaker 2: you in a vulnerable position, which is terrible from a
Speaker 2: negotiation standpoint. But isn't this like just like a contract negotiation,
Speaker 2: the NDA period where you know, if you sign this,
Speaker 2: we'll give you your your two week severance right now.
Speaker 2: Don't sign the check that you can negotiate all that,
Speaker 2: can't you?
Speaker 6: Sometimes, so an NDA is most often us so that
Speaker 6: you don't disclose company secrets. I'm going from one company
Speaker 6: to a competitor. And sometimes there will be like a
Speaker 6: non compete which says you can't work in this market
Speaker 6: for six months or you can't work with people who
Speaker 6: are direct competitors for twelve months. So that's general, there's
Speaker 6: a non compete. But then there's also a lot of
Speaker 6: times an NDA, which means you're not going to run
Speaker 6: over to even if you don't go work for a competitor,
Speaker 6: you're not going to call them up and say, hey,
Speaker 6: I got a bunch of company secrets here I'm going
Speaker 6: to share with you. So those are to me, especially
Speaker 6: if NDA is very reasonable. Now when and clause it. Now, again,
Speaker 6: I'm not an attorney. This is just based on you know,
Speaker 6: to what I've seen. When you say, when you say so,
Speaker 6: then they'll they'll look at if I said no non
Speaker 6: compete for two years, does that interfere with your ability
Speaker 6: to make a living? And in a lot of cases
Speaker 6: it does. Two years is too long. So NDA they
Speaker 6: had in it a non disparagement clause which says you
Speaker 6: will not speak ill of this company. And a lot
Speaker 6: of big companies, a lot of women back when all
Speaker 6: this me too stuff was going on was really coming out,
Speaker 6: they got big payouts and they find an NDA they
Speaker 6: would not dispair it.
Speaker 2: But it's a big payout. The question is how big
Speaker 2: a payout, meaning how much money are the taxpayer is
Speaker 2: going to have to foot the bill for this malefeasons
Speaker 2: and incompetence.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I don't I think it could have been
Speaker 6: handled better. But I also say that because I also
Speaker 6: am always very careful because we don't know the whole
Speaker 6: story from from we don't know everything. We can only
Speaker 6: take which put out. But then again, the other thing
Speaker 6: that is you're out there if you're a city manager.
Speaker 6: You have to so carefully manage what you put out,
Speaker 6: what you say. Everybody has to be on the same page,
Speaker 6: and you have to anticipate all these things and be
Speaker 6: ready for them. If not, you just have a dumpter fire.
Speaker 2: I'll leave it at that. The problem is politics, and
Speaker 2: of course you know, people just continue to vote blue
Speaker 2: in Hamblin County and get what they get, and the
Speaker 2: same people complain about the people who voted red. And
Speaker 2: we had protests down at the riverfront this weekend over,
Speaker 2: but turn that mirror around. How much of the parallels
Speaker 2: how mauch stuff you bitching about Trump is after have
Speaker 2: purevolt doing. There's there's there's the ven diagram, there's some carryover.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk next Wednesday. By then we probably still won't
Speaker 2: have this thing settled. We'll talk about it one more.
Speaker 2: We'll just read we'll just rehash this for the next
Speaker 2: three wednesdays to decide what they're doing. Fair enough, be well,
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Speaker 2: We continue that and that has really overshadowed things for
Speaker 2: most of the week, at least this early half of
Speaker 2: the week. But we also have other things going on,
Speaker 2: trouble brewing here on It's been kind of going on
Speaker 2: well for the last few days here, starting last week.
Speaker 2: I'm not kind of Republican Dave Young's office is investigating
Speaker 2: the image of an American flag with the stripes bent
Speaker 2: to form of swastika. I'm sure you saw the images
Speaker 2: by now that was caught in Cameron a zoom meeting
Speaker 2: in this congressional staffer's office. So next to the shutdown,
Speaker 2: this political scandal is kind of consuming Washington, not just
Speaker 2: what it's going on in Dave Young's office, but the
Speaker 2: what almost three thousand pages of leak chats revealing that
Speaker 2: the leaders and the Young Republicans traded a bunch of
Speaker 2: pretty horrific words and statements which they thought would never
Speaker 2: make the eye of public, the light of public eye,
Speaker 2: seeing the light, so to speak. It was in chambers,
Speaker 2: and it was in a chat group, and yet we've
Speaker 2: seen stuff like this leak out before. The problem is, again,
Speaker 2: it just if you're you know, don't like the GOP,
Speaker 2: you don't like Republicans, you don't like Trump, this just
Speaker 2: gives you more ammo to hate on them, and you
Speaker 2: wonder what the reaction of is this whole thing. You've
Speaker 2: got some of these GOP Young GOP chapters disbanding within
Speaker 2: hours because of this. And I know the Vice President
Speaker 2: Jade Vance brushed it off as kids being edgy, but
Speaker 2: there's some bipartisan outrage out there, and when you have
Speaker 2: bipartisanship in a divided government, that says a lot. Her
Speaker 2: name is Victoria Churchill. She's a political reporter for dailymail
Speaker 2: dot Com. First broke the key details of this story.
Speaker 2: She's also writes your young voices Victoria, welcome, how are.
Speaker 7: You hi, good morning, Thanks so much to be Thank
Speaker 7: you so much for having me. Great to be honest
Speaker 7: with you.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting to watch how this is breaking. Republicans
Speaker 2: across the country are confronting whether to denounce this or
Speaker 2: deflect it, and we're seeing it kind of break both
Speaker 2: ways right now, because some are going, well, this is
Speaker 2: the worst thing ever. Others are going, well, yeah, but
Speaker 2: the Democrats did this, And you know the problem for
Speaker 2: Republicans is it just gives more ammo to Democrats who say, well,
Speaker 2: this is what you wind up voting for. It's all
Speaker 2: white supremacy.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, I just want to start off by
Speaker 7: saying the political rhetoric needs to be toned down on
Speaker 7: both sides of the isle. I think that's something we're seeing,
Speaker 7: and you know, especially after the assassination and you know,
Speaker 7: of course, let's call it what it is, the assassination
Speaker 7: of Charlie Kirk was last month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need.
Speaker 7: To tone down the rhetoric. However, I do want to
Speaker 7: point out a key differences between the general factors of
Speaker 7: the publican particular office, so you know, the young Republicans
Speaker 7: and just to be clear for your audience. Young Republicans
Speaker 7: are between the ages of eighteen and forty, so you know,
Speaker 7: I know, Vice President of Fans tried to brush them
Speaker 7: off as college kids. These are not college kids, at
Speaker 7: least not most of them. Most of them have jobs,
Speaker 7: some of them pull elected office, other serve as very
Speaker 7: secret positions or other elective members or you know, I
Speaker 7: guess it's before they were fired resigns, however you want
Speaker 7: to frame that they are no longer the position. And
Speaker 7: I think that's the very key part of this is
Speaker 7: because when we compare this as the Vice President did,
Speaker 7: which you know, I think is more or less a
Speaker 7: fair comparits, and comparing this to the J. Jones Tech
Speaker 7: candle that we're dealing with in Virginia. I love in Virginia.
Speaker 7: I covered some Virginia politics. Of course. That was the
Speaker 7: Democrat candidate for attorney general. He had some text messages
Speaker 7: revealed that he, you know, wished death not only on
Speaker 7: his opponent Ben Todds, Speaker or then House Speaker Todd Gilbert,
Speaker 7: the Republican Speaker of the House in a couple of
Speaker 7: years ago in Virginia, but also on his children, which
Speaker 7: you know, to me, that's even more disgusting if you
Speaker 7: can even grade that kind of thing. But you know, again,
Speaker 7: j Jones is still running for office, and he's been
Speaker 7: backed up by senior Democrats. But I believe both of
Speaker 7: our US senators in Virginia, Kim Kaine, Mark Warner, they're
Speaker 7: really egging him on. They're saying, yeah, the text are bad,
Speaker 7: but they still want this man to hold elected office.
Speaker 7: On the Republican side, Republicans have come out and said,
Speaker 7: these people are not representative of our party, the place
Speaker 7: in leadership, if the thing at all, because a lot
Speaker 7: of the times your Republican chasters, like I said, you know,
Speaker 7: a lot of them hold elected office or work for
Speaker 7: elected officials, but even more of them. You know, it's
Speaker 7: supposed to be kind of a talent pipeline for Republican
Speaker 7: leaders of Publican candidates all over the country. Really, and
Speaker 7: you know, I think that that's part of why the
Speaker 7: story is so big, is that you have dangerous ideologies
Speaker 7: on both sides. That of course, I'm all for free speech, right,
Speaker 7: but you know, I think in a free speech situation,
Speaker 7: this is actually better because people can speak, really, and
Speaker 7: then people can judge these individuals that say things that
Speaker 7: you know, I personally find morally reprehensible, abhorrent all those things.
Speaker 2: Right, I think, and I think, you know jd. Vance
Speaker 2: is he's right about one thing where he says, I
Speaker 2: refuse to join the pro clutching when powerful people call
Speaker 2: for political violence. You know, the what about ism as
Speaker 2: you mentioned in politics, the what about as it means
Speaker 2: once that always downplays what they're sick of fans do
Speaker 2: as they rail against their enemies. When they do it,
Speaker 2: you know, on the left, embracing anti Semitism for example,
Speaker 2: or Kirk's assassination, how is this any different? And so
Speaker 2: I think when that happens on both sides, as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: I think the rest of the electorate, most of us go, well,
Speaker 2: if you're not going to change it, we can't change
Speaker 2: it either. And it's just the latest insult I suppose
Speaker 2: to our sensibilities and tolerances, and we're I don't see
Speaker 2: it getting better. I just see this being more of
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, again, I think sunlight is the best disinfected.
Speaker 7: I think the only way to get what I consider
Speaker 7: to be bad ideas out is to talk about them,
Speaker 7: and is to have conversations, you know, publicize and again
Speaker 7: views that I think should not really have grounding in
Speaker 7: our political rhetoric today. The only way to get them
Speaker 7: out is to have these pervations. Now kind of on
Speaker 7: the flip side, Actually, some of my reporting that I
Speaker 7: did on the text method scandal was that, at least
Speaker 7: by the evidence that I've seen and that my colleagues
Speaker 7: put into that store, these texts were actually coerced. And
Speaker 7: so you know, there may have been some very shady
Speaker 7: kind of back room feeling. You know, one of the
Speaker 7: individuals he has come out with illegal off of David,
Speaker 7: which is available. You know that he was basically coerced
Speaker 7: into releasing these text messages. And you know, again I
Speaker 7: think that's the other side of it, which we should
Speaker 7: also talk about, is that doing it is one thing,
Speaker 7: which again I denounced wholeheartedly, but coercing somebody to get
Speaker 7: that information out is so in my view not Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. Is one may ask, well, how did
Speaker 2: all this I mean, it's been on for a few years.
Speaker 2: Here you're talking twenty eight thousand messages. Wow, months, I
Speaker 2: guess they surely twenty thousand message over seven months, that's
Speaker 2: a lot of information get dumped and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: somebody turns and says, hey, we've got all this stuff.
Speaker 2: That feels like the reason why someon would say this
Speaker 2: is because either they are outed or discovered, or someone
Speaker 2: had some information inside and knew this was going on
Speaker 2: and basically wanted to expose in blackmail them in a way.
Speaker 2: Is that kind of what you're talking about.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Again, that's the evidence that I've seen leads me
Speaker 7: to have that conclusion. Again, that legal Affidavid as well
Speaker 7: as you have some conversations I've had to have disease. Obviously,
Speaker 7: don't want to out anybody on there, you know, because
Speaker 7: I was able to kind of you know, conceal their
Speaker 7: identities for the purposes of the story and my reporting.
Speaker 7: But yeah, you know, it does really seem to me,
Speaker 7: like you know, of course the people that said it
Speaker 7: are horrible in doing that. But again, I think the
Speaker 7: blackmail that led to the release of these text messages
Speaker 7: and that you know, in our digging, we found out
Speaker 7: that actually these text messages got out in August and
Speaker 7: there was effort within the GOP to you know, stem
Speaker 7: if not completely, kind of nullify the release of these
Speaker 7: because it seems to me, again at least based on
Speaker 7: my reporting that I've done, that it was really a
Speaker 7: personally motivated attack from one individual to another. One individual
Speaker 7: described this, you know, kind of as a vendetta that
Speaker 7: the person who either directly or indirectly you lead these
Speaker 7: messages was responsible for. And you know, again, that kind
Speaker 7: of raises the question of you know, who do you trust,
Speaker 7: who do you trust to go out and have conversations with,
Speaker 7: because you never know when not a person might stab
Speaker 7: you in the back and release saying you know again,
Speaker 7: of course I personally think that they should have never
Speaker 7: been said in the first place. But Wellori is also
Speaker 7: pretty discossed.
Speaker 2: I think Victoria Church, I think both things can be true.
Speaker 2: That this could be blackmail, that could be I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe a relationship gone wrong and said hey, I got
Speaker 2: the goods on you and trying to hold someone hostage.
Speaker 2: That's that's criminal as well. But also that can be
Speaker 2: true the fact that the twenty thousand messages had a
Speaker 2: lot of vile things on there. When you start talking
Speaker 2: about you know, calling Generation Z Generation icon and one
Speaker 2: staff or from a i think New York State and
Speaker 2: Assembly Member's chief of staff got fired for saying I
Speaker 2: love Hitler, and then everyone one that votes know on
Speaker 2: this particular bill is going to the gas chamber. And
Speaker 2: there are far worse things in there that I can't repeat.
Speaker 2: And there's some threads you look at you go, wow,
Speaker 2: that's that's pretty harsh. But out of those twenty eight thousand,
Speaker 2: I'll back up a second, because I think that Assembly member,
Speaker 2: that chief of staff and others are going, well, I'm
Speaker 2: not even sure I said that. I think it might
Speaker 2: have been doctored or altered that some of the claims
Speaker 2: going on. Is that revisionism or is there some possible
Speaker 2: basis in reality in that it sounds like we're going, no,
Speaker 2: that didn't really It sounds like my pillow guy kind
Speaker 2: of talk, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: So I think the fact that he has taken responsibility
Speaker 7: for that is good. I also know that the way
Speaker 7: that those messages came out in that original political story
Speaker 7: is that, you know, I guess when you download a
Speaker 7: history of messages from telegram, they do not come out,
Speaker 7: you know, and kind of the way that they were
Speaker 7: portrayed in the story, or when you look at text messages,
Speaker 7: you know, between people, and so the actual images that
Speaker 7: we're in that political article are recreations, and you know,
Speaker 7: I think they've been pretty forward about that. And you know,
Speaker 7: even an information that's come back since then, allegedly a
Speaker 7: text message leaks between the reporter that was working on
Speaker 7: this story and the individual you know again who I
Speaker 7: believe is responsible for getting this information out. You know,
Speaker 7: like I said, whether directly or indirectly, those actual images
Speaker 7: are recreations. And so I don't know if out of
Speaker 7: twenty thousand messages, if they are direct recreations, gotcha.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess that's probably parsing a little bit, going, well,
Speaker 2: these aren't the actual well, of course not, because the
Speaker 2: graphics have to look better, and it's also being condensed
Speaker 2: for the reader. I mean, you read through twenty eight
Speaker 2: thousand messages. I'm not sure of all of them rose
Speaker 2: to the level of what we're talking about here. Probably
Speaker 2: most of it was pretty boring stuff.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, And again, you know, recreating text messages is
Speaker 7: the context of sital journalism is not in itself nefarious
Speaker 7: like we've you know, actually on this Changeos text scandal.
Speaker 7: We did a follow up story that was told to
Speaker 7: me by a grassroots group at activin Virginia. They had
Speaker 7: been out get out the Vote text messages about the
Speaker 7: JJ's text scandal to what they identified as a universe
Speaker 7: of soft Democrat voters, and they got death threats to
Speaker 7: the Republicans back to those Jajones text messages, and we
Speaker 7: did a story recreuitting those responses that they got, so
Speaker 7: again kind of in itself out as the area. And
Speaker 7: you know, yeah, if we've recreated text messages, they've recreated
Speaker 7: text messages with that nasty text messages. It's all. It's all,
Speaker 7: you know, there's definitely a lot of thinking to be
Speaker 7: out a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, you're highlighting the juicy parts of the novel,
Speaker 2: is what you're doing here. You're not you're trying to
Speaker 2: manipulate it or anything like that. You're just trying to
Speaker 2: cut of the chase, give me the story. Not all
Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand were bad, but certainly enough of them
Speaker 2: none to make this into a story. Do you think
Speaker 2: that the shutdown helps or hurts that the focus the
Speaker 2: narrative this? I mean, because the shutdown is such a story,
Speaker 2: does this overshadow what you're reporting here? Or is it
Speaker 2: the other way around? Because nothing's happening in DC that
Speaker 2: people are paying attention to this.
Speaker 7: Well, I will say from my personal bandwidth as a
Speaker 7: reporter that is typically on Capitol Hill, I've been recording
Speaker 7: on this because I'm not covering day to day going
Speaker 7: on on Capitol Hill. So you know, for me personally,
Speaker 7: I've been able to shift my attention to covering this.
Speaker 7: I think it is, you know, equally as important because
Speaker 7: you know, one is the now of our politics. One
Speaker 7: is the future of our politics, whether that's in Virginia.
Speaker 7: You know ballants that are being cast for these candidates
Speaker 7: right now, and again, you know, these individuals that were
Speaker 7: involved in the Younger lookin Tech scandal, they also are
Speaker 7: people that serve in positions that are politically important, whether
Speaker 7: that's in their home states in New York or their
Speaker 7: places around the country. So, you know, in terms of
Speaker 7: national media attention, I'm not sure if they would have
Speaker 7: gotten that much, but in terms of importance, and you know,
Speaker 7: kind of my background before I became reporter, I actually
Speaker 7: worked in grassroots and so I've personally always been of
Speaker 7: the mindset that what happens in grassroots is very important
Speaker 7: for the future of our nation, for the future of
Speaker 7: our country, and for the future of both political parties,
Speaker 7: and so in my reporting, I actually have a tendency
Speaker 7: to share those grassroots stories that not many other reporters,
Speaker 7: particularly in dec he even actually think is worth paying
Speaker 7: attention to. Sure and you know, again, just just another
Speaker 7: quick note on that, Actually this political story was done
Speaker 7: by two reporters out of New York. So that's another
Speaker 7: interesting kid bit that I kind of found is that,
Speaker 7: you know, it also concerns a lot of things in
Speaker 7: DC nationally. But the reporter that kind of interacted with
Speaker 7: this individual, who you know again I believe is the
Speaker 7: alleged leaker, They are a New York political reporter. And
Speaker 7: then the secondary reporter that was on that story is
Speaker 7: the head of all of politicals covering Sport, New York.
Speaker 2: Gotcha.
Speaker 7: You know again, I think those reporters may have, you know,
Speaker 7: because they're not necessarily DP reporters, that story would have
Speaker 7: probably still come out, is at least my view.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Victoria Churchill political report for Daily Mail. They broke
Speaker 2: key details of the story. She also is a Young
Speaker 2: Voices contributor joining the show this morning about the text
Speaker 2: message scandal. Chris's conspective. Claremont County Republican Dave Young's office
Speaker 2: where there's a swastika an American flag with a stripture
Speaker 2: bet to form of swastika behind this individual caught on
Speaker 2: camera and that's in a staffer's office, and he said, well,
Speaker 2: we're gonna investigate this and find out what's really going on,
Speaker 2: which tells me this is more lot. Let's see which
Speaker 2: way the wind blows politically speaking, because that's how politics works. Victoria,
Speaker 2: looking forward, do you think the scandal is going to
Speaker 2: lead to change and how maybe not the GOP but
Speaker 2: the Dems too, because it's not like they're their poop
Speaker 2: doesn't stink in this either, not with this case, but
Speaker 2: on others. Is this Are we just going to get
Speaker 2: more of the same. I don't really feel like people
Speaker 2: are outraged over this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, that's a good question. I started off
Speaker 7: the segment talking about how the rhetoric needs to be
Speaker 7: turned down on both sides. Well people actually do that,
Speaker 7: you know, I think that's a big question that remains
Speaker 7: to be seen. And you know, for me as a reporter,
Speaker 7: I'm very interested in reporting on the feature of this
Speaker 7: because again, a lot of these this runtors that I've seen,
Speaker 7: you know, again, even particulately about day Jones and not
Speaker 7: condemning him, I think is outwardly as some Democrats could
Speaker 7: have been should have been my personal view, I think
Speaker 7: to me that means that they learn nothing from the
Speaker 7: car right, yeah, or the.
Speaker 2: You know, anti Semitism with what's happening in the Middle East,
Speaker 2: and it's just you know that this is the latest scandal.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow maybe another Republican or or it might be a
Speaker 2: Democrat that's caught up in something, and you know, saying
Speaker 2: this is part of the edge lord culture. I understand that,
Speaker 2: and I wonder if these people really believe that are
Speaker 2: just doing it to be edgy and a chat group.
Speaker 2: But again, you've got to be smarter than putting your
Speaker 2: words down and telegram or whatever the the app of
Speaker 2: the platform is, because if somebody sees that a later date,
Speaker 2: well you're going to have what's going on right here? Victoria,
Speaker 2: all the best, thanks for joining the show. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the conversations you had were in defense when I
Speaker 2: understand that there's well it's online. You know, people are
Speaker 2: hiding by the keyboard. They never expected these things to
Speaker 2: But I'm sorry if you're you're calling yourself a future
Speaker 2: leader of America party being that stupid that and putting
Speaker 2: those words down. Even if you are JKA, they're going
Speaker 2: to turn that around and running out of town as well.
Speaker 2: They should. It's more of the stupidity is what it is,
Speaker 2: than anything, and also just the the nature of the
Speaker 2: conversations themselves are not only cringey, but extremely extremely wrong.
Speaker 2: For that matter, for anyone who professes their love of country,
Speaker 2: I want to lead this nation, even if they were
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Speaker 2: Because optimistic it takes a while for the fever to
Speaker 2: catch on. Let's let's get a truck the fever.
Speaker 1: I got the fever one win, and I'm in all right, you.
Speaker 2: Got the fever for the flavor of a crowd pleaser.
Speaker 2: I get it now. On that regard, I know you
Speaker 2: can drop beads like that.
Speaker 1: He's been out and about. People have been running into him.
Speaker 9: Okay, grabbing coffee at our foods, he selfie.
Speaker 2: I love the fact that they got the Jets this week.
Speaker 1: I love that the worst team in the league.
Speaker 2: Oh and seven careful because they were close a few times.
Speaker 2: And and I will say this, I'm not worried about
Speaker 2: the seven. Teams are a little desperate. It's awfully tough
Speaker 2: to go winless in the National Football League.
Speaker 9: And they are desperate enough to take out their quarterback
Speaker 9: Justin Fields. Yes, looks like we're gonna be getting Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 2: Ty Tyrod Taylor is still alive, breaking news.
Speaker 9: He is Tyro Tale and another older gentleman bowl Icy Hunt.
Speaker 2: He was terrible with the Bills. That was years ago.
Speaker 1: And well he's just a little bit younger than me.
Speaker 2: So hold on a second, yeah, so fifty.
Speaker 1: Oh stop, that's you, Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 9: The Jets are expected to start him this weekend because
Speaker 9: Jets owner Woody Johnson said, hey, offense and clicking, it
Speaker 9: takes seven games to figure it out.
Speaker 2: So get a guy older than Joe Flacco. This is
Speaker 2: two weeks in a row he's played someone older, shows
Speaker 2: like Bring Him On, Incredible.
Speaker 9: Has Joe Flacco gone up against Tyrod Taylor before?
Speaker 1: Has he played with them?
Speaker 2: Most would have had to.
Speaker 9: Joe's been on so many teams that I'm assuming that
Speaker 9: he's probably played with and played against him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yes, I'm just gonna say, yes, it's happened, and
Speaker 2: he'll get and he'll look like Tyrod Taylor is the
Speaker 2: reason why he's.
Speaker 1: Not start, the reason why he's not start.
Speaker 2: Back up. It's like, Okay, I'll do this next week.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be.
Speaker 1: Fitzy, but hey, Desker Times.
Speaker 9: Speaking of Joe Flacco, was on the fits in Wit podcast. Okay,
Speaker 9: and Joe goes, I know I'm forty years old, but
Speaker 9: the first couple of times I threw to Jamar and Ti.
Speaker 1: I was a little nervous.
Speaker 2: Yeh, that's cool.
Speaker 9: I guess Joe was a little a little intimidated by
Speaker 9: the best receivers in the league.
Speaker 2: It's amazing what you can do when you have tools, right.
Speaker 9: It's amazing when you've got those weapons out there and
Speaker 9: you can actually get the ball to them. I want
Speaker 9: to come out and again, I don't want to throw shape.
Speaker 9: It's what he did last week was fantastic.
Speaker 1: They looked great. It was almost a flawless for months.
Speaker 2: Let's just keep it going. Let's see. You got the Jets.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good gonna be careful because and
Speaker 2: then he got the Bear trap a couple of trap games.
Speaker 2: You just gotta win each week now.
Speaker 1: And then you got the Bears again here at Peykor Stadium.
Speaker 2: But hey, the Bears are not bad down with Joe Flacco,
Speaker 2: that's the guy we need.
Speaker 1: Have the flo fever fever.
Speaker 2: But after let's see two three games, let's see what's
Speaker 2: going on here.
Speaker 9: When win this weekend beat the Bears, the Bears, and
Speaker 9: then you got your bye week and then you're on
Speaker 9: the road at this.
Speaker 2: Point, split all your divisions, split the Vision opponents, right,
Speaker 2: maybe they lose to Pittsburgh, Okay, fine, Baltimore cleve, Okay, I.
Speaker 9: Got two with Baltimore, right, And Lamar Jackson is coming
Speaker 9: back this weekend after his injury, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: But again, that puts you in good shape. You gotta
Speaker 2: get the nine wins. I think you're like, I agree
Speaker 2: that nine ten wins you're in.
Speaker 9: Don't count about and I don't think you can count
Speaker 9: the Ravens out yet either.
Speaker 1: Still plenty of football up.
Speaker 2: You'll look at Casey coming back from the dead, right,
Speaker 2: anyone can come back. Anyone can come back, anyone. I'm
Speaker 2: glad that Tony Pike is back. Tony Pike is back, congraduately, welcome.
Speaker 1: Back to good It really is. You just never know
Speaker 1: what's going to happen around here.
Speaker 2: If you have no idea, people come, people go, they
Speaker 2: come back. No one knows what's going on here. It's
Speaker 2: like aftabs run on this place.
Speaker 1: It's so accurate. Speaking of coming back.
Speaker 9: Aside from Tony Bike, we're going to find out today
Speaker 9: at practice. If Trey Hundrickson will be joining the team
Speaker 9: on Sunday. We know he was out last Thursday dealing
Speaker 9: with the bad back hip thing. So Zach Taylor during
Speaker 9: his press conference the other day said he's day to day.
Speaker 9: I'll let you know on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Too much pressure on Shamara to hold that whole thing
Speaker 2: together because he's hadn't played.
Speaker 9: But yeah, he went out week two and then he
Speaker 9: was there against the Steelers injury. You saw Logan Wilson
Speaker 9: come back out for a little bit. What do you
Speaker 9: think about that drama? We talked a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if all the guys that you're
Speaker 2: going to bench, I don't know why Logan Wilson make
Speaker 2: an ex ample to him. I used one of your captains.
Speaker 2: I guess is Zach wasn't happy with what he was saying.
Speaker 2: And there's other guys I look at.
Speaker 1: Going then he put the rookie out there CTB.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about CDB?
Speaker 1: Speaking of coming back, Joe Burrow, remember that guy?
Speaker 2: Huh who?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just another Joe.
Speaker 9: According to Ian Rappaport, he's saying Joe could come back
Speaker 9: from that turf toe injury in the last few weeks
Speaker 9: of that season.
Speaker 2: This is just what I.
Speaker 1: Know because and getting everyone's hopes up.
Speaker 9: And I think that there were people thinking like, all right,
Speaker 9: I know that he is expected to be back mid December,
Speaker 9: but what are the exact details with this stuff, so
Speaker 9: it could be uh December twenty first when they go
Speaker 9: to Miami to face the dolphin.
Speaker 2: I just think he's all soft myself. I mean I
Speaker 2: went and had, you know, walking around that Joe Burrows
Speaker 2: soft pure heio a paranal tendon tear, and I just
Speaker 2: had my I just got my boot off yesterday. Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, I'm not walking around doing nic stuff. I'm
Speaker 2: going to get a line.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you don't have an O line around you.
Speaker 2: You fall to the ground, standing on ladders, plumbing, electrical painting,
Speaker 2: all that stuff. I'm out there getting it done. Not
Speaker 2: all heroes older than Joe. So I'm just not saying.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it is funny to.
Speaker 9: Me that the younger guys are the ones on the
Speaker 9: sidelines right now.
Speaker 2: To completely with toes and what.
Speaker 1: Your tendon thing. And then you got the old guys
Speaker 1: out there playing again exactly.
Speaker 2: Old guys are tougher, Tyron and Joe. It's like old refrigerators.
Speaker 2: They don't make them like they used to. They break
Speaker 2: too often. Oh my goodness, Joe Flacco is a frigid
Speaker 2: air from the fifties.
Speaker 1: I like Joe Flacco, and I think he's telling me
Speaker 1: he leans into the.
Speaker 9: Older guy thing, which again I'm only a few years
Speaker 9: younger than just talking about it.
Speaker 2: He's a little frigid. A frigid or refrigerators, what it
Speaker 2: is not the cheap new ones where they break every three.
Speaker 1: No, it's the kind that you see in someone's garage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the rounded front on it.
Speaker 9: And it's been there since literally the sixties. Yeah, and
Speaker 9: it's got like the beangel bites in there and the
Speaker 9: whole window.
Speaker 2: Energy keep that thing. But the thing is a tank.
Speaker 2: It's never gone, but.
Speaker 9: It'll never die. It'll never die, and you can always
Speaker 9: rely on it. And just when you think it's gonna die,
Speaker 9: it comes back and everything's perfect.
Speaker 2: Were like seventy eight buicks versus the's Tesla's.
Speaker 9: Aside from all of that, did you know that Michael
Speaker 9: Jordan grew up as a Bengals fan? The Goat Michael
Speaker 9: Jordan's Michael Jordan, Chris collins Word was on the Up
Speaker 9: and Adams podcast with our girl Kay Adams and it
Speaker 9: was brought up that he was at an event. I
Speaker 9: guess Chris was on an event with Michael Jordan and
Speaker 9: he was talking about it. He goes, yeah, grew up
Speaker 9: as a Bengals fan. I'm not sure if he's still
Speaker 9: cheered on the Bengals in my in my head, I'm
Speaker 9: going to say, yeah, Michael Jordan is cheering on Joe
Speaker 9: Flacco and the Bengals every I guess.
Speaker 2: He would have came up with the Super Bowl USh Bengals,
Speaker 2: so maybe he got on the bandwagon really a really
Speaker 2: good team at that playing Carolina. I'm like, I just wow,
Speaker 2: don't know how you get to be a Bengal fan.
Speaker 1: Maybe a Bengals bandwagon because he was in Carolina.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, Sometimes like, okay, this is.
Speaker 9: What Chris Collinsworth told Kay Adams the other day and
Speaker 9: it was trending on social media.
Speaker 1: So I am bringing that.
Speaker 2: Tea usually, like Taylor Swift with Casey, is he come
Speaker 2: at all the games? I don't receive Michael Jordan and Stincy.
Speaker 9: You don't see Taylor Swift on the telecast anymore. Notice
Speaker 9: how they haven't shown her.
Speaker 2: She's kind of busy, isn't she.
Speaker 1: She's still at his games though, all right, but she
Speaker 1: said she wants to be hidden.
Speaker 9: So now when she walks in, they've got these walls
Speaker 9: that they post up for and she walks behind them
Speaker 9: and nobody can see her, and they no longer show
Speaker 9: her on the broadcast.
Speaker 2: The whole thing. Okay, it is a whole thing. Imagine
Speaker 2: Juice is like a CBS Xnay, no, go, don't choke
Speaker 2: Taylor and.
Speaker 1: The Chiefs are starting to chief again.
Speaker 2: I knew they would. You'll see her back again. Didn't
Speaker 2: count anybody out at this point. What else you got there, snorty.
Speaker 9: We've got soccer playoffs here right around the corner.
Speaker 2: On Monday night.
Speaker 9: It's going to be the Columbus Crew versus FC Cincinnati
Speaker 9: six forty five kick for that one.
Speaker 1: So they'll do a best of three.
Speaker 9: They'll play Wednesday, and then FCC will go to Columbus
Speaker 9: to play the Crew, and then if they need a
Speaker 9: game three.
Speaker 1: They'll come back back here. Since yeah, so FCC.
Speaker 9: Had more points than the Crew, and that's why they'll
Speaker 9: start here, all right.
Speaker 1: They can just go to and O and get to
Speaker 1: the next round.
Speaker 2: How was my question as a fan girl? Would you
Speaker 2: rather see them go win here, lose there?
Speaker 1: No, just get it done. I hate it. It's like,
Speaker 1: let's not wait till the very last game. We see
Speaker 1: that happen way too often with our Cincinnati teams.
Speaker 2: Staity tie, a little time to rest up too.
Speaker 1: Exactly Exactly, I believe they can go all the way,
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 2: I always believe they'll Exactly.
Speaker 9: I want to believe that with our Reds FCC, the Bengals,
Speaker 9: I mean, okay.
Speaker 1: Can't count anybody out.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And like I said, we got our Cincinnati Cyclones
Speaker 9: back on home ice. That's on Friday night. It's Peanuts Night,
Speaker 9: so they're going to be wearing the specialty jerseys.
Speaker 2: They're mister Peanut with a monocle monicle on the top,
Speaker 2: had the Snoopy Peanuts Peanut. It's five to one, three nights.
Speaker 9: They've got five dollars Seltzers, craft Beers, one dollar popcorns,
Speaker 9: three dollars burgers, all kinds of good stuff going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's promotion seasons what it is.
Speaker 9: And I do want to promote my new show. I
Speaker 9: have my own time podcast. I know I've got my
Speaker 9: own time.
Speaker 2: What do you think you are Adams?
Speaker 4: No, do not.
Speaker 2: Wednesday Adams. Which which Adams are you President Adams?
Speaker 1: Unfortunately none of the above.
Speaker 9: But yeah, I've got my own time slot on EBA
Speaker 9: now sen am to three pm every single Sunday. So
Speaker 9: I'll be cut short this weekend because of the Bengals.
Speaker 9: Don't we carry all of those? But y'all take your
Speaker 9: right into kickoff now?
Speaker 10: Actually live? Are you on tape? It is live because
Speaker 10: you know how we don't like to record things. We
Speaker 10: don't record anything that's you do. Oh and we're going
Speaker 10: to recognize the lap at the game this weekend. Sure,
Speaker 10: we cannot forget about that. It's the Ring of Honor
Speaker 10: game on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think you're about the cyclones about Sorry, I'm
Speaker 2: all over the place, steal I've had to Alanis today
Speaker 2: to coffees.
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor, Ring of Honor game on Sunday. Do
Speaker 1: not forget about that?
Speaker 2: Deserves it for sure. I thought yours. I thought he
Speaker 2: should have been in the first class one.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, between fifty years.
Speaker 2: Right field and being the voice of the bank. Mister
Speaker 2: Bengal is like, that's the franchise, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ten years playing forty years on a MIC.
Speaker 2: He's like knucks all the knucks, all of the Bengals is.
Speaker 1: He's truly incredible. So he deserves all of the recognitions.
Speaker 1: You're going to be there and make sure to show
Speaker 1: him a lot of love. I think you should now
Speaker 1: still go from the booth to the field and then
Speaker 1: back up to the booth with Dan when he.
Speaker 2: And I guess they speak a little bit and say,
Speaker 2: you know so when he's speaking, I guess they're going
Speaker 2: to bring Dan Horde to talk over the top of him.
Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, I knew you were going to put
Speaker 9: some joke in there.
Speaker 1: You're just so joky today.
Speaker 2: What about yourself? I love laugh though. He's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great.
Speaker 9: So there's all lot going on over the next few
Speaker 9: days here in CINCINNETI so just be safe and behave
Speaker 9: like Teresa Tigisa.
Speaker 2: Gotcha behave, be safe.
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