WEBVTT - 1-14-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:00.760 Don't want to be. 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:06.160 It's got a flown show back on seven hundred deuli 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:08.360 all that are A lot's going on. Got some council 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.520 stuff to cover lighter stuff as well after a few 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.800 days off here. So the death toll from the protests 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:19.080 in Iran above twenty five hundred right now. I saw 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:21.640 an estimate from another so I said close to five 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.840 thousand more, believe it or not. Two thousand people dead, 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:29.560 hundreds of thousands arrested after protests in that country. Aranians 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.040 started making phone calls abroad yesterday for the first time 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:35.880 in days because they cut all communications off during a crackdown. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.920 And so that's where things stand right now. In this figure, 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.560 dwarfs any protest I think we've seen, probably since nineteen 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:46.200 seventy nine. If you're around back then, Laura Kartch is here. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.440 She's a senior contributor to Young Voices. I'm sure Laura 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:51.680 wasn't around. I was a small child then, so I 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.319 kind of remember, but sort of. Laura, Welcome to the show. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:54.720 How are you? 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.080 Thank you so much for having me Scott. 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.800 Yeah, so let's begin with this. I know that the 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.280 White House met behind closed door secretly, well not secret 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.039 anymore with the exiled former Kron Prince Donald President Trump 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.400 was kind of cold on him at first, and now 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.640 it looks like that name is being thrown a lot 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.240 by the people on the ground that people actually doing 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.120 the protesting. As far as their next leader goes, what's 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.760 going on with Komani and how likely is that's going 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:21.160 to happen. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.240 So the rumor is that Trump right now is weighing 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.080 all his military options. He's been very SoCal about that, 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:30.920 and as of ten am yesterday he announced that he's 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:34.280 canceled all the diplomatic meetings that were set with Iranian officials, 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.920 so things are getting really serious. Iran has since replied 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.000 that it's ready for war and has continued its killing. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.360 So in my opinion, I think maybe strikes are imminent. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:50.600 And in regards to the chance for Paul Lobby, which 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:56.520 was the elite Shaw the Sun Stay, Yeah, who was 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.720 in power before seventy nine takeover, there's huge rumors that 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.120 he may be coming back as well, and he has 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.960 been vocal about coming back since last summer after Operation 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.440 Midnight Sledgehammer. So there's a lot of talks on that, 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.680 and mainly I think if Hamami's gone and he comes in. 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:15.600 So we're going to. 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.799 See a very different Iran emerge. It's just a question 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:20.320 of you know, whether or not the US is going 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.760 to intervene, and if it does, you know, there's so 0:02:22.800 --> 0:02:24.520 many different scenarios that can come out of that. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.640 You know, we've seen this before, and I vaguely remember 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.360 seventy nine, but as a student of history now that 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:34.200 I'm older, now, I'm very clear on what happened then, because, 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.639 as I mentioned, you had the Shaw in power back 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.679 by the United States. He exiled in the United States, 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.720 died of cancer, and we had this totalitarian regime come 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:46.960 in in seventy nine after the hostage crisis where Americans 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.080 were held hostage. Reagan came into office and they ended 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:51.919 that and so i'll started this kind of Cold war 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.760 with Iran and the Iran we see now as a 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.000 product of that. Prior to that, it was a very 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:58.359 democratic state, like you know, women were it was very 0:02:58.360 --> 0:03:00.160 progressive as a matter of fact, you know, women and 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.359 have to wear his job, and you know there's mingling, 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.160 commingling and the sexes and the like. But we've seen 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.160 these uprisings in the past. You know, the Arab spring 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.079 to twenty nine, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty two. Why is 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:12.240 this one different or isn't it? 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:16.320 Well, what's really interesting is that it began in Tehran's 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.840 growing Bi Star area, which was typically loyal to the 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:21.680 Eye Pola, So that in and of itself is the signal. 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.280 And you know, going back to your point about prior 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.560 to seventy nine takeover, the Palavii dynasty was actually very 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:31.040 pro West. So if we do see this sun coming in, 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:35.800 we would have potential normalization with Gulf countries, Israel and 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.920 less proxy conflicts in places like Lebanon, Gaza and Syria. 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:44.560 Right now, you know, a huge realignment with pragmatic relations 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:46.280 with these states and the West. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.880 So the key would really be a. 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:52.600 Shifting middle dynamic from the confrontation that we've seen for 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:57.240 over so many decades to one of economic and security cooperations. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.440 With the West and the ransfer of Pallavi. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.200 I mean, it's I don't know if it's an overwhelming 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.720 concessant the consensus, and it's hard to tell, but that 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:05.160 kind of came as a surprise. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:09.320 Why right, So it's not exactly overwhelming, it's just that 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:12.640 there's been many video surfacing on you know, places like 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:16.760 x and others of people chanting Pahlabi's name in the streets. 0:04:16.760 --> 0:04:18.360 And I think it has something to do with what 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.640 we mentioned. Prior to seventy nine, Yarn was a free, 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:26.440 secular society, and it's very obvious that the population would 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:28.680 like a return to that. And you know, if Paul 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:30.760 Labby is the way to do that right now, then 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.719 I think everyone you know would be open to it. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.440 Aren't There thousands of soldiers and people who report to 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:41.080 the total of tearan regime now comeni that would resist 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.680 that because it's such a big base right now. If 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:47.320 paulab came in, that would essentially take away their authority 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.080 and maybe paychecks right exactly. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.520 And that's where the complication comes in because we've seen 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:58.560 even soldiers out of uniform shooting at protesters. So the 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.000 entire thing is very complicated, and I think that's partly 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.000 why Trump is taking so long to respond a little bit, 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.520 because you know, if you take out the main leader, 0:05:07.520 --> 0:05:11.880 you still have an enormous security group that is still 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:16.040 loyal to the IATOLA. So I think day by day 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.040 and uh, it's really going to be interesting to see 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.080 how Trump can influence the situation. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.600 We're talking about taking over Greenland, presumably by force. We've 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.159 seen what's happening in Venezuela. When now Iran, how do 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.279 you foresay that kind of regime change there without boots 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.520 on the ground, which of course would break his campaign 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.040 promise about no more foreign wars. 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:35.280 It sounds like foreign wars to me. 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:40.640 Right, exactly, the no new wars infamous campaign. You know 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:45.280 it from what we've seen in Venezuela, the US military 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:50.080 has proved its capable of, you know, making such a 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:55.520 giant change without as much collateral damage. You know, I 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.599 personally think that there would be way too much collateral 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.039 damage if we go in respond. But you know, with 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.440 a place like ran Uron, it doesn't have the same 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.160 dynamics as been as well I did. But you know, 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:12.040 it comes down to the ideology as well that they've 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.479 had since seventy nine under the Eyetola. You know, are 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.280 there enough people that can carry on the movement and 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.920 kind of clean out the ideology that the security forces 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:22.360 would have. 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.520 Yeah, and I think what you're up against here, I 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.000 mean I mentioned the current assessment. I think it might 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:28.600 be from the UN. I'm not quite sure they said 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.560 about twenty five hundred at this point. Some others are 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.799 suggesting five thousand protesters that killed, one hundred and fifty 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.760 thousand plus jailed at this point. That is an incredible 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:39.440 number to show you. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.920 I it brought against right definitely, to be honest, I'm 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:48.240 also seeing report twelve thousand and more suspected. So it's 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.920 going to be interesting over the next couple of days 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.840 to see what the real number is because that can 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.080 either refuel the movement or stop it completely. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:01.160 Well, now you're the levels of genocide that changes things entirely. 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.160 So I mentioned the UN earlier. Where are they on 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:03.440 all this? 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:06.000 Well? 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:07.240 You and in my. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.480 Opinion, it's been a lot of crickets I haven't heard. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:12.800 I've noticed that. 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:14.800 With the UN, lauras if the United States, if we 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.680 do something like I don't execute a mass murder, they're 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.679 all up in our grill, but they're kind of quiet 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.800 when it's twelve thousand people exactly exactly. 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:25.960 That seems to be the pattern these days or this 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:30.120 last year, quite frankly, So it is going to be 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:33.040 very interesting to see if they do come back into 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.680 this conversation, if Trump does decide to act, which I 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:37.720 think might be the case. 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.160 Okay, as far as retaliation goes, I know they're a 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:45.360 parliament speaker threatened if we do anything militarily that the 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.720 United States and Israel Israeli targets would be legitimate. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:54.520 What's the likelies of that happening, right, you know, there's 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.680 only one way to find out, unfortunately, but they have. Yeah, 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.720 the Parliament did come out with the chance of that 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:03.360 America and the Iranian regime itself did say if you 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.040 bomb us, we will target US spaces in the East. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.520 So you know, I'm hoping all our troops are safe 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:15.239 at the moment, and there are some contingency plans in place. 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:19.680 Plabi Is, by the way, it's Laura Karcht on the show. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.440 She's with the young voices and following very closely obviously 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.200 what's happening in Iran. Boots on the ground here, and 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.400 polabi Is is kind of positioning himself as this transitional leader. 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.920 But we've seen that before, the old bait and switch. Right, 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.240 what's a realistic scenario look like if this actually happens. 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:39.480 Realistic scenario? So, I have been following his comment since 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:43.240 last summer, and I do believe that he wants to 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.360 please you. Know, the West and Israel and the wholf countries, 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:48.880 and he has come out and said, you know, we 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.679 want pro wess, secular Iran to be back, freedom to 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:56.760 be restored, you know, things like that. So what I'm 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.120 hoping for is for some de escalation that the at 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.600 least so much deserves. You know, as an Asterian myself, 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.560 I think I'm also ready to see a conflict free 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.839 Middle East. You know, that's obviously not guaranteed, but the 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.920 most we can hope for right now is a realignment 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.800 towards pragmatic relations between the two regions. 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.839 This is all driven by nostalgia. There's enough people around 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:22.320 who remember what happened pre seventy nine, what life was 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.559 like there. They hear these these nostalgic stories, and now 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:27.560 they want that themselves. This is kind of like a 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:31.360 generational dynamic change for the opposition here. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.520 Exactly, especially because you know, Iran does have a huge 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.880 young population right now that likely, you know, we're either 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.640 very young during the seventy nine tacob or we'ren't eveniforn 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:44.680 yet and need Personally, what I've been seeing are the 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.280 images from you know, the seventies, and personally in Syria, 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:52.000 it was the same way. It was very open, very secular, 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.440 and I do hope that Iran gets to return to that. 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:56.320 Yeah, I think. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.320 I think some of the craziest pictures are are the 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.440 ones of you know, young men and women who are 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:05.240 on university campuses in Tehran and elsewhere, who are studying 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.480 and doing it together, and they're dressed in western It 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.840 looks like a picture of America actually, and that's shocking 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.080 considering where things stand now in the very radical Islamic 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:14.920 Middle East. 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:20.720 Exactly. Yes, And unfortunately, for now, the poster that seems 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.080 to be for this movement is the woman. I'm not 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:24.640 sure if you've seen it, that the woman with holding 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.800 a cigarette burning Humming's photo. So hopefully we get some 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.000 more positive photos after this blows over soon. 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.640 Yeah. How close to the brink is the current regime 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.079 right now? It seems like they're in survival mode. 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.679 Exactly. I do believe they're in survival mode because you know, 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.520 you can only get so much killing and so much 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.559 disorganization with folders in the streets just killing people point blink. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.440 If the Hummingians didn't feel as if he was cornered, 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.080 I do think he feels cornered. At this point, So 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.800 he is pulling out all of his contingencies and just 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.280 kind of I feel like he's saying, you know, if 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:02.599 I go down, you're all going down with me. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:03.520 Unfortunately. 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:07.480 Yeah, and you know, to share the desperation here, they 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.440 proposed dealing you know, nuclear deal negotiations. We've heard that 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:13.520 one a million times before. Well at the same time 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.679 threatening nuclear retaliation. I'm not quite sure how that makes sense. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.320 Yes, inside the mind of KOMENI. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.040 To show you the Yeah, how the news is tightening 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.360 around there. It's a really tough needle for Trump and 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.160 this administration to thread the lord because you know, as 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:31.880 we mentioned, it's a hands off policy. 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:33.360 We don't want to get involved in foreign wars. 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:37.480 But is this our best opportunity to establish democracy something 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:39.600 we could do and we couldn't do in Iraq and Afghanistan, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.800 to establish democracy organically in Iran right now? 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.320 So I think there is a chance, of course, but 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.120 I think Trump needs to tread a little bit lightly 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.760 with the d word democracy given what we've seen, you know, 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.000 any racketyory and things like that. But I do believe 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.880 that he might be able to make some change on 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.079 you know, his promises to be running people saying keep going, 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.280 take over your institutions, take down the names of the killers. 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.000 You know, he's really trying to refuel the movement, keep 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.800 it going and you know, again looking like stricter imminence 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.080 and hopefully we're not going to see more deaths. But Trump, 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.080 Trump is going to get negative reviews whether or not 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:23.520 he acts on this, you know, so I think, yeah, well. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:25.200 When the when the valve of your currency drops what 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.920 forty percent, that's going to get people's attention. 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.800 And of course, you know, change is imminent at this point. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.920 Exactly something negative. This is the boiling point and it's 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.440 either going to go really really bad or finally, you know, 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:39.160 really really good. 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.000 Trump also said he's going to hit any country doing 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.000 business with a round of of twenty five percent tariff 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.800 right now. I thought, it's kind of maxed out the tariffs, 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:49.040 so can we teariff him anymore? 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:49.560 At this point? 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.240 I h that's the essential where their economy is in 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.160 the state it is right now because the actions of 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.120 the regime, and this is what is driving people. As 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.840 I said, it's definitely organic. But you know, when you 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:02.480 get the business commedian, I don't care if it's a Cincinnati, Washington, 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.480 or Tehran. Business committee starts losing money. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.679 You got problems exactly. 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.600 And some people in the East, we need to remember 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.000 that they don't have a choice on you know, where 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.560 to buy oil. Some people need you run for that. 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.040 Some people need you run for the gases that you know, 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.600 so we he I don't think the tariffs are conducive 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.840 to a diplomatic environment, and I do think Trump needs 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:27.480 to go back to the class of diplomacy, you know. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:29.280 Go make the deals. 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.920 Bomb people a little bit less, because I think in 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.520 the long run America will pay the price for that. 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:41.520 And I just really hope that the global order doesn't retaliate. 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:43.600 Against well, yeah, I just let let this thing happen 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.000 organically and support them kind of backdoor like we used 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.880 to a CIA and everything else. And I don't know 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.120 if we'll have another hostage crisis because there aren't many 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.160 Americans left in there. But we'll see how this shakes 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:55.240 out over what period of time? 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:55.360 Though? 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.240 How long is it saying? How much longer can they. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.800 Do this on it? 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.840 Personally, I would give it another week maximum, because there 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:07.480 have been embassy documents leaks of Trump sending the letter 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:09.960 saying hey, you all need to get out, but just 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:11.720 know that it's at your own risk and you can't 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.000 do it with us help. 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:14.959 So the situation is. 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:19.760 More grave than he's letting on. But hopefully he has 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.520 a backup plan. And I think we're all just waiting 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:23.360 to see what happens. 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:23.760 Honestly. 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.720 Yeah, I mean if we if we announced her, I 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.360 know we haven't having a strike for example, as we've 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.800 seen Trump do this well this past summer in Iraq. 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.960 I wonder what Iran does at that point? Do they blink? 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.240 We will see I I again, I would keep an 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:46.240 eye on our Middle East faces or American based because 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.320 they are the main targets if that happens. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.120 Yeah, I wonder how that that plays Are you just 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.000 let them simply the people support them and let them 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:55.840 choke out this regime. 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.080 We'll see how it plays out. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.320 She is Laura carch Young voices Senior can be able 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.560 to following this boots on the ground in Iran. 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:03.960 Thanks again for the time, appreciate it. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:05.480 Thank you so much for having me. 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:06.320 All right, all the best. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.280 I got to get a news update in so that's 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:12.080 kind of good news there, I guess, because you know, 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.520 you remember revolution seventy nine we had Cincinnati has taken 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.680 hostage by the regime. They're the new regime that's been 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:22.480 in power since then. And now people who have a 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.440 fond recollection, probably from older folks in Iran in their country, 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.120 about the good old days when you did have democracy, 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:32.200 when it was secular, are tired of the totalitarian regime 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.480 that they have led by radical Islam. And when the 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.840 economy starts collapsing because those sanctions. I mean, it took 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.280 Sin seventy nine to do this, but when you feel 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:43.400 that squeeze, that gets people's attention and now they're motivated 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.320 for some sort of change here. We'll see what happens. 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.880 Imagine a regime change in Iran. And if we could 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.920 leave our fingerprints off this whole thing too, as much 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.000 that as possible, that'd be great. I just fear, you know, 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.480 getting involved in another foreign war. We're promised no more 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.080 foreign wars, and well it looks like we're ramping that 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.560 up again. News on the way in just minutes and 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.080 when a return on seven hundred wluble to get into 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:07.720 the happenings inside City Council, when you reach out to 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:10.960 almost all members council and there's radio silence. It tells 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:16.120 you something relative to settlements. We have like a eight 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.360 million dollar budget in the law department in the City 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.840 of Cincinnati, and every time there's a big case, it 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.160 seems like they just want to write another check. Well, 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:25.680 why do you have a law of apartment off all 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:26.240 you do? Or settle? 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:26.440 Kay? 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.600 Hell, I could do that. We'll get into that. 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:34.520 Just to had slooney seven hundred ww hi, Scott's loan 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.920 here on seven hundred w welw oh for a few days. 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:42.640 My wife having some knee surgery, goes with the age 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:44.680 and we're all there. 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:49.160 So everyone's happy. Everyone's happy. I'm not no longer. Well 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.200 I'll be a nurse after twelve today. Let's put it 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:52.440 that way, all right. 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.760 What do we got going on as we speak? The 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.680 City of Cincinnati is about to meet here have council 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:03.040 meeting on this Wednesday morning, and the big headline you 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.840 heard Combsy talking about was the denouncement by the Mayor 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:08.760 and the city Council of the shooting of Renee Good 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:13.000 in Minneapolis by Ice agents. And a resolution will be 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.199 signed by I believe all members of council that is 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.639 going to denounce the activity. As I just said, I 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:22.400 think it's interesting because you know, it's a feel good 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.919 piece of legislation, which governments do all the time. I mean, 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.359 you know, Ohio's official song is hang On Sloopy, and 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.800 that's not exactly a pressing matter of state. So you know, 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.760 bodies do these things all the time. But yeah, this one, 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.280 to me, it's kind of you know it it's interesting 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:44.440 because I'm reading through the resolution and it says because 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:47.320 you're thinking, well, you know, if ice comes here, they're 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:49.280 going to have to abide by the rules of the city, 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.160 meaning you have to have a body camera, you have 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.240 to identify yourself, you have to do all these things. 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:58.679 They simply don't have the power to do that. And 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.760 even in this declaration, let me just read a paragraph 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.280 whereas pursued to city policy and operational requirements, so officers 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:10.040 are prohibited from intentionally disguising or concealing their identities from 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.520 the public by wearing any mask, covering, or disguise while 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.400 performing their official duties. And officers may wear protective equipment 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.840 such as medical mass riode helmets, respirators required for health 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.639 or safety reasons, but how officer officers may not use 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:26.640 such equipment for the purpose concealing identity. All other law 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.320 enforcement office, including federal agents and member of the military 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:32.399 operating cincinnat are urged to adhere to these requirements to 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:33.560 protect public safety. 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:34.639 Urged. 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:39.960 This isn't even like a resolution has any teeth. Urge, 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.280 while you're urged to do that, you're urged to abide 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.920 by local law. Well, you may urge them, but they're 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:51.199 not going down because they're federal authorities. Watching the renee 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:53.280 Good shootings. We talked about the day after it happened. 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:56.200 I saw that and went, okay, well, we still have 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.919 a lot of unknown questions and very few answers at 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.679 this point. She was perpendicular to traffic. So was she 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.240 blocking traffic? We still don't know she was technically. I 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.240 guess the way she was parked, and you know, why, 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.399 why are you putting yourself in that situation? I guess 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:12.800 would be the way I look at And then you know, 0:19:12.800 --> 0:19:14.760 the wheels were pointed away from the officer and it 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.720 was point two nine seconds before the officer's shot. Again, 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:19.480 you know, if you guys telling you get out of 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.200 the vehicle, get out of the damn vehicle. I get 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.360 that you're protesting, and we as Americans have every right 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.120 to do that. But if you are impeding traffic and 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.800 preventing I guess these agents from doing what they're doing. 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.600 You know, it's really no different. I made it parallel 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:38.200 between this and what happened on January sixth when a 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.480 Air Force I guess a retired air she's still in 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:43.760 the Air Force or not she was, you know, she 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.159 was shot by breaking through the door to the chamber 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.960 and everyone's held her up with some sort of hero 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.359 It's the same thing. You know, if someone is pointing 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:54.840 a gun at you, someone of the gun is coming 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:58.040 towards you saying stop what you're doing, Stop what you're doing. 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:02.120 Whether it's that, whether it's this, whether it's Ryan Hinton, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.160 it doesn't matter. You know, you could be one hundred 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.479 percent right, but they have the authority in the weapon, 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:08.680 fight them in court. 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:12.040 Protest absolutely. I'm all for a peaceful protests. I will say. 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:13.520 The one thing I do agree. 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:20.240 With with this kind of silly resolution is when these 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.040 guys are wearing masks and I know what the you know, 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:23.879 my friends in lawenforce, well, you know, we got to 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:26.000 conceal our identity because we may get docs we make. 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.680 Yeah, that kind of goes with the job. No one 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:29.240 wants to see. 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.640 I certainly want to see law enforcement people threatening their 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.960 home and have their families targeted and everything else. And 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:37.160 you know, but is that any different for judges or 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.840 prosecutors or police officers. 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:40.320 Or anyone for that matter. 0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:42.240 The thing that makes us different than other countries the 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.199 fact we don't have a secret police state. And you 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:47.719 can talk a while, it's different. They're federal agents. If 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:51.560 you're operating I guess in a foreign country. Yeah, I 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:53.840 think of like soldiers in Iraq in Afghanistan. That might 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.720 be a little bit different. Under Cover officers. You know, 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.800 everyone's got a camera right now if you're wearing a uniform, 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:03.800 though you're not under cover at that point. That's the 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.159 part of the constitution. That's part of the thing that 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:08.359 about most about all this stuff is the fact that 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.200 the mask wearing continues to go on. And you could say, well, 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:12.639 you know, it's cold out, it's different. 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:13.439 I don't know. 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.600 That's America's always and we just we don't have secret police. 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.760 And that looks like secret police to me, whereas other 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.640 officers and the course of their job aren't aren't wearing masks. 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:27.479 But again, you're passing a resolution where officers federations are 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:31.680 urged to do something that really doesn't mean a lot. 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.440 Doesn't mean a lot. Meanwhile, something you do something about. 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:37.760 I looked this up this morning. Relative and this is 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.600 relative to the settlements here that we keep pending money 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.600 out hand over fist. The city Law department has like 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:47.399 an eight points almost a nine million dollar budget as 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:49.120 of last year. I'm sure the number's gone off this year, 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:51.040 and that was a million more than plann from last year, 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.800 by the way, And yet with every big case it 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:58.639 seems like they settle and the idea is, well, it 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.959 costs more to litigate, and this saved taxpayers money, so 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:07.120 we just settle. Okay, but this could be true too. 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:11.160 Then the more you settle, doesn't that just encourage anyone 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:15.560 with beef, no matter how wrong their actions are, to 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:19.239 go after the city and be persistent about it and 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.600 eventually get paid. Because that's just people just come out 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:24.400 of the woodwork for this. Not saying that someone would 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:26.920 get in an altercation with police in order to get 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.280 a payout ten years later, I'm not saying that, but 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:31.199 you look at it and go, wow, everyone else is 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:32.640 doing it, I might as well fight this as well. 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.040 Mika Owens, by the way, calling for a full accounting 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.280 of the five plus million dollar budgeted for cameras, and 0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:39.639 I think it fits together is like where's the money going? 0:22:39.680 --> 0:22:40.359 What do you guys? 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.880 Are you guys responsible stewards of taxpayer money? I think 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:47.359 it's a fair question. Relative to settling everything. We just 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:50.919 did this in December with the George Floyd protests arrest 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.120 or nearly five hundred people arrested in the twenty twenty protest. 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.960 We settled for over eight point one million dollars and 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:00.920 that is not even including the three hundred sixteen thousand 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:04.520 plus for a handful I think about eight cases involving 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:06.480 police payots as well for the entire year of twenty 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:08.840 twenty five. That's just the eight point one million that 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:11.760 we paid the protesters. And you know, if you're out 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:13.960 there and you're being held in the sally Port and 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:17.480 it's hot outside, or you didn't have access to your medication, 0:23:19.560 --> 0:23:22.119 and that's why you're suing the city because you forgot 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:24.959 to bring your meds with you and you don't have 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:28.159 access to them. These are some half assed protests. I 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:29.000 gotta be honest with you. 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:32.760 I don't know. 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.359 I mean Martin Luther King back in his day stood 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:39.520 for something and acted and suffered, and that's why he 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:41.639 is the icon, and that's why he's still celebrated today 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:42.320 for the purpose that. 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:42.600 We did it. 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.080 I don't recall your stories about him then suing the 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:50.040 police department because he wasn't afforded as medication. They just like, 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:52.520 it's hot outside and I didn't have a water bottle 0:23:52.560 --> 0:23:54.760 with me. Well, again, you got to plan better for 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:57.159 these things. You got to plan better. I fully support 0:23:57.160 --> 0:23:59.680 your right to protest, but turned around and suing because 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:02.560 it's hot outside. You're the one who decided to protest 0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:04.680 or in this case, not get out of your car 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:07.399 when you're told I just speed up. This is, you know, 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:12.840 play stupid game wins superprizes. The other thing, too, is 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:16.800 the Condavier Hicks case. This just happened this week. As 0:24:16.840 --> 0:24:18.960 a matter of fact, almost a million and a half 0:24:19.040 --> 0:24:22.879 dollars as a settlement there. Hicks was shot by CPD 0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:25.240 officers in the North Side apartment back in twenty fifteen. 0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:27.159 And so here's what happened. 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.399 They got a police got a nine one call about 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:34.160 someone possibly with a weapon, menacing some neighbors. The nine 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.280 to one one caller said that mister Hicks threatened to 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:40.959 kill neighbors, a couple who accused him of stealing, and 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.640 so when you get a nine one one call, officers 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:46.880 have a duty to respond. They also had something called 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.480 probable cause knowing Hicks on his apartment and didn't want 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:52.760 to open there and investigate, and so they entered his apartment, 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:57.119 which is the crux of his Fourth Amendment argument that well, okay, 0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.280 hold on just a second here, I didn't let you come. Yeah, 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:04.320 but you you have a complaint from two individuals who 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:07.800 said you were threatened, possibly with a weapon, and you've 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:09.520 got to investigate that. Can you imagine that, Well, he 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:11.359 was not letting them say okay, and then he goes 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.119 and shoots people for calling that one one. I mean, 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:16.359 they'd be hell to pay for the police department because 0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:18.919 they didn't stop this madman from going on on a 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:19.760 shooting rampage. 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:20.000 Right. 0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:21.600 You could totally see this happening. 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.600 And so they entered the apartment and when they opened 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:27.320 the door, barrel of a rifle came out. That's not 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:34.520 disputed again, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. So they 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:38.080 shoot him fatally in the chest and the end result 0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:41.240 is ten years later, we've got to pay the estate 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:43.480 a million and a half dollars. What the hell is 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.879 wrong with this picture? So we had the Floyd protests, 0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:50.199 we had Coin Davier Hicks, and now of course we 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:53.000 have what's going to happen with Ryan Hitten. Now, according 0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:57.400 to our buddy Ken Cober, the FOP, this story broke 0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:01.000 late last week about him. They're negotiating as settlement and 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.199 some stread backroom deal with city manager Shirrel Long. Now 0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:06.159 when you talk to from Long to the family attorney 0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:09.840 Phenon Rucker front of the show, Fanon Rucker had conversations 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:12.720 with the city and no massive settlement was And now 0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:15.040 I think he said, that's news to me. Doesn't mean 0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:16.880 because in an attorney and it's the city, it doesn't 0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:19.479 mean it's not going on. It just means they're denying it. 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.680 And there's a difference between it not happening and people 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:26.840 denying it. And this is the most backwards thing you've 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:29.119 ever seen. But okay, if you look at what happened 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:31.280 just now with Kwandaverhicks, you look at what happened with 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.320 the eight point one plus million dollars with the protesters 0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:37.800 from twenty twenty. If you're this family, how could you 0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:40.399 not look at it going we hang around long enough, 0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:41.960 we're gonna get paid. 0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:44.040 And this wasn't even really long enough. They're just paying 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:44.359 it to go. 0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:44.640 Wait. 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:48.280 If indeed this is the case, a family doesn't believe 0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:51.520 the shooting was justified, I don't understand what's wrong with 0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:55.000 this picture. If you have an individual who's eighteen, who's 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:57.399 under disability, not allowed to have a firearm, he's in 0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:00.600 a stolen vehicle and gets out out of the car 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:03.239 after being stopped in clearly the jig is up at 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:07.560 this point. You know you're busted by police officers, and 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:09.480 it's shot by uniform police officers. 0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:11.560 For that matter, you know these are the police. 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:16.159 It's not another gang, it's police, it's law enforcement. We 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:18.720 caught you in a stolen car. You decide to take 0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:20.960 the handgun with you, not to leave it like the 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:23.879 other guy did. The guy who ran away didn't get shot, 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:27.080 had a gun, and he thought, I probably shouldn't grab 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:28.800 that gun and run with it. I might get shot 0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:33.399 to death. Criminals aternally stupid. He was a smurder version 0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:35.440 of stupid if you will, dah, I'm like, I'm done, 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:36.879 but I'm not taking a gun with me. That's not 0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:40.480 gonna They left that gun in the car. In this case, 0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:45.160 hen decides I'm gonna take the gun with me, falls down, 0:27:45.320 --> 0:27:48.000 gun slides out of his hands, picks the gun back up, 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.600 and runs and as an officer was behind the dumpster, 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:52.920 turns towards and looks at the officer. I don't know 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:54.760 if he's pointing it, brandishing it kind of look but 0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:56.560 split us and see you got a guy with a 0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.720 gun who's running and running in your proximity towards you, 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:04.679 and look you that's a justified shooting. In what world 0:28:04.720 --> 0:28:09.320 does someone like that deserve money? No world? Maybe I 0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:11.679 don't know, the second ring of Jupiter. Possibly, I'm not 0:28:11.720 --> 0:28:15.399 quite sure, but definitely not there. Definitely not in Cincinnati, Ohio. 0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.919 But yeah, we're gonna save some money and just settle 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:20.120 with the family and pay them off. 0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:24.159 Because if that's the case, then could you make a. 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:27.399 Case this hinting and saying, look at looking at what 0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:31.440 just happened with Condavior Hicks and what happened with the 0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:33.719 George Floyd puts it is like you're damn straight, we're 0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:35.600 going to pursue a lawsuit. We're definitely gonna come over 0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:37.320 with a civil lawsuit and try to get some money 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:39.640 out of the city. And we know we'll probably lose, 0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:41.920 but we think the city's going to settle with us. 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:45.160 I mean, at what point, and I get settling some 0:28:45.200 --> 0:28:49.640 of these cases, but what point do people just stand up? 0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.480 I mean, we're paying lawyers, the law department. The budget 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:56.840 is almost nine million dollars and now it's costing us 0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.960 millions and millions more, hell more than the annual budget 0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.400 to the city to settle these cases. At what point 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.840 do you just simply go, we've got to make we 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.080 got it. We get here's a hell We're gonna die 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:10.080 on no pun intended. We're going to stand up for 0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:14.600 what's right it and maybe let we'll dissuade future criminals 0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.160 and their families, the surviving family members, from trying to 0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.840 folice the city out of more money. Look at look 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:23.880 at the hintons. I mean not certainly not the first time. 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.719 Is you know the dad who's in jail right now 0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.400 for shooting Deputy Layer Henderson in prison? How much money 0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:31.560 is not going to cost us? How much money has 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:35.080 the street crime just by the hitting family cost us 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:40.440 and investigations and police overtime and just maybe maybe turn 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:42.280 around and trying to get some of that money. Here's 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:43.640 your money, but we're going to sue you to try 0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:45.200 and get the money back that we just gave you. 0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:49.000 It costs us in addition to the settlement and paying 0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:51.600 these attorneys that just want to settle from the city. 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:54.680 On top of that, all of the man hours and 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.720 everything that goes into investigating these crimes committed by a 0:29:57.760 --> 0:29:59.880 small percentage of people in Cincinnati makes a rest of 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:00.520 life's hell. 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:01.600 What is the added call? 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:03.520 I'd love to see one of those studies that they do, 0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.280 you know, like the impact that the brin Spence Bridge has, 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.080 for example, on commerce. Te can calculate how much that 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:14.280 costs us, between the settlements and the payouts and the 0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:16.880 police work and all the crime and all all that together, 0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.000 it's got to be in the tens of millions of dollars. 0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:22.480 I would think it's unfortunate. But okay, so we're going 0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:25.160 to vote today on this resolution that doesn't have any teeth. 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:25.560 Gotcha? 0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:27.840 I got you coming up at ten o six on 0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:30.200 the show on seven hundred WW a little more pocketbook 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:33.200 issue for you getting to pay more for utilities and 0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:36.160 why we'll all keeping more coal plants online? Why we 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.080 keeping more call because we have we are addicted to 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:43.400 the fossil fields. No, dummy, it's because of well, our 0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:46.080 demand is consumers, is business people. But also now you 0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:48.800 you add in all these AI farms that are going 0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.040 up all over the place, which we need, which because 0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:54.200 we demanded they got to meet the expectations of the consumer, 0:30:54.240 --> 0:30:55.320 and AI is where it's at. 0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:55.920 Uh. 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:57.440 They use a lot of water, these a hell of 0:30:57.480 --> 0:31:00.800 a lot of electricity, and so the crunches to getting 0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:02.880 in worse and as a result of this, we're gonna 0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.720 pay more. I think it's telling that Duke Energy sent 0:31:05.840 --> 0:31:08.800 letters out to individuals. You know how we don't understand 0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:13.640 stuff explaining why energy bill, the energy bill you got 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:20.040 claw was a lot more. What's happening, Well, energy costs more, 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:21.440 but we're using a lot more. But when we had 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:25.400 that cold snap on unseasonably cold weather we had just 0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:27.160 a few weeks ago in which we're about to have 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.760 coming up starting tomorrow. Uh, it's gonna cost you more 0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:33.680 to heat and in the in the summer when it's 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:35.160 extremely hot, and we have a long stretch. 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.760 It's gonna cost you more. But now we have us letters. 0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:40.200 I'm explaining why claw, here's the cost is because you're 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:42.880 using more of it. That's exactly why it is. That's 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:43.840 exactly why it is. 0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:45.520 Yeah. 0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:48.360 Anyway, so we got we got that coming up at five, one, three, seven, 0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:52.520 four nine the Big One talk Back iHeartRadio app Rob. 0:31:52.400 --> 0:31:55.640 Linniman is on the show, and Rob, you're an attorney. 0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.040 I'm an attorney. I'm the attorney for the family of 0:31:58.080 --> 0:31:58.880 kwandavi X. 0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:00.240 All Right, thanks for leting. 0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.600 I appreciate you calling in this morning, So give me 0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:06.640 your I have a problem with this simply because of 0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:08.560 the police and the narrative that as I understand it 0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:12.880 from ten years ago that this individual, the police officer 0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:14.560 in this case, were acting on a nine to one 0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:17.000 one call. They have a duty to act if you 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.239 point a gun on officers, regardless of the situation, if 0:32:19.240 --> 0:32:21.000 it's in your house or not, and you get shot. 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:25.200 Courts have often stood with in this case the law 0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:27.480 enforcement officers. Why is this different in this case? 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:29.280 Sure? 0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:31.120 Well, let's I want to start with a couple of 0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:34.560 things you said earlier, just to correct the record, Yeah please, 0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:37.840 you said, well, first you said once, if a police 0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:41.000 officer has probable cause, then they can enter your home. 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.400 And you said if somebody doesn't doesn't answer the door, 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:45.080 then the police just entered the home as long as 0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:48.400 they're probable cause. That's incorrect. As a matter of law, 0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:51.520 what a police officer needs to enter your home is 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:54.840 a warrant. A warrant is time by a judge. So 0:32:55.600 --> 0:32:58.880 they didn't get that in this case. And Scott I 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:01.000 would have assumed that this this is a pretty common 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:01.920 principle of law. 0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:05.040 So well, well that's all the manage fact though. But 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.680 we've seen plenty of police videos before in the past 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.880 and where there's a there's a suspect inside and police 0:33:10.880 --> 0:33:13.760 can enter without a search warrant and have entered because 0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:16.320 they're they're in the process of stopping a felony. 0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:20.400 If if you were in the process of stopping a felony, 0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.880 if there were eggage and circumstances, that would be an 0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.280 exception to the warrant requirement. There is no such circumstance here. 0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.200 A police officer can't just I mean understand the position 0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:33.120 you're taking's got and I understand normally I understand your 0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:37.000 station to support the right to the Second Amendment rights 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.880 of Americans. But you seem to be taking the position 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:42.960 that if a police officer has some suspicion that there's 0:33:42.960 --> 0:33:45.880 a criminal in the house, they can walk in the house, 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.960 and then if you are, if you are armed, they 0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.480 can shoot you. Is that your position really. 0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.240 The if they're brandishing a weapon at police officers and 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.760 you identify yourself as a police officer, if it were 0:33:56.800 --> 0:33:59.680 an individual you mentioned second Amendment, I mean it applies, 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:04.520 but does because these are uniformed officers who identified Did 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:05.640 they identify themselves? 0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:09.719 That's a disputed issue. The officer who could who That's 0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:13.680 the point of the she she never reported that that 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:16.719 they identified themselves. They were they were knocking at an 0:34:16.719 --> 0:34:21.880 interior door inside inside the home. The bedroom in this case, 0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:26.160 mister Hicks's bedroom was on the third floor. The bathroom 0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:28.200 in the kitchen are on the second floor. They're on 0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:30.880 the they're on the second floor inside his apartment. And 0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:33.359 again and again they answered without a warrant, and they 0:34:33.800 --> 0:34:36.480 the so and it's and by the way, it was eleven. 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:41.279 It's eleven thirty at night, dark out, and and they 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:44.680 have not are according to the police. According to the 0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:48.640 statement provided by the police officer, she never she never 0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:50.400 announced that they were police officers. 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:53.080 Okay, and that's and that's what and that's what. 0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:55.400 Yeah, that's that's. 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.960 What's in contention is whether or not they idd themselves. 0:34:58.000 --> 0:34:58.759 And that is a point. 0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.239 It's a the officers of they did the in this 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:02.600 case of the other individual. 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.759 Was this not No, it's not incontention. She didn't say 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.719 they did. She said it's her policy not to identify 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:12.200 herself unless some one asks. So this is not in contention, gotcha. 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:15.200 It is what it is that she she never claimed 0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:16.080 that they identified. 0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:17.200 Was it a female officers? 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.200 Ever say yes. 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:19.760 Okay, gotcha? 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:21.959 Because this story is right, I apologize because the story 0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.320 is reft their old and trying to find the details 0:35:24.320 --> 0:35:26.600 of a ten year old story is rather difficult. So 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:29.080 if they didn't then said hey I didn't I d myself. Yeah, 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:32.879 that's a different matter entirely. But if someone is if 0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:35.680 someone is subject to a threat with a weapon, though, 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:40.840 doesn't that escalate the response of the police officers, Because 0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:42.600 as I said, if they if they simply walked away 0:35:42.600 --> 0:35:44.600 and said, well, we can't get in, this person goes 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:48.040 on a shooting spree, we'd probably be having a different conversation. 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:52.279 Well so, and that's the that's the precise issue of 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.759 this right. So when a police officer, I think the 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:57.799 law is clear that a police officer has the right 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:01.480 to use deadly force if there if they reasonably feel 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:03.640 that their life is in danger or the life of 0:36:03.719 --> 0:36:07.960 others is in danger. But in this case, you put 0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:11.120 yourself in the position where so police officers inside the 0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:14.200 house has not identified themselves as a police officer. They're 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:18.240 knocking at the door. A homeowner, a citizen in their home, 0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:21.080 comes to the door, not knowing who they're going to 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:23.319 find in their house at eleven thirty at night in 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:27.040 the dark, pounding on the door, and reasonably arms themselves. 0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.319 Right right, you got a gun in the house, you 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:31.640 come out, there's an intruder in your house. You're carrying 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.239 a gun. The gun was unloaded, by the way the 0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:37.600 gun Kwandavir Hicks could not have shot those police officers 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:40.800 if it had been his intention. The gun was not loaded. 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:44.400 Well, but again, we've had justified shootings where someone has 0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:47.200 pointed a screwdriver an officer and the officers shot them, 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:50.040 and it's been justified because it was same with BB guns. 0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:52.439 I mean, using your logic here, someone pointed a BB 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:54.480 gun at a police officer and it turned out later 0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:56.840 you realized there was a pellet gun or a airsoft 0:36:56.840 --> 0:36:57.600 gun and shot them. 0:36:57.640 --> 0:36:59.600 Anyway, their officer'd be in the right, wouldn't they. 0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:03.960 Well, the question is was the officers I was speaking 0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:04.960 to a different aspect there. 0:37:04.960 --> 0:37:09.359 But hey, Rob, hold on a second, and I hate 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:10.879 to do this because I'm up against news. 0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:11.560 Here can I have? 0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:13.960 I'd love to continue the conversation though, because I want to, 0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:17.440 you know, certainly get the facts that I love to. 0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.319 Let me put you on hold and we'll get your number, 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.920 maybe reschedule for another time. Rob Lenniman is the attorney 0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:25.600 for the Hicks family in this particular case. But we'll 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:27.440 pick it back up again. I'm a little bit late 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:28.680 for news. I got to switch it up anyway. I 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:30.560 got a guest standing by at ten oh six on 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:34.600 your wallet, the Citizens Utility Board of Ohio, the president, 0:37:34.640 --> 0:37:37.920 that's Tom Bullocks, and utility prices going up and a 0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:40.040 lot of this is driven of course by AI farms 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:41.960 as opposed to and I wonder why we're keeping coal 0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:43.799 plants on anyway, I get to that right after news up. 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:47.280 They hear up against it on seven hundred w W Cincinnati. 0:37:52.840 --> 0:37:56.360 More bad news for your pocketbook here, if you're in Ohio, 0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:59.120 you and your family could be paying more for electricity. 0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:02.400 Why well, the federal government is trying to extend the 0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:05.040 life of aging coal plants that were once slated for 0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.880 coal closure. And those things are notoriously expensive to keep going. 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:10.440 And we're seeing this trend across the country as well. 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.920 And those expenses too would then be passed on consumer, 0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:17.120 So says the Citizen's Utility Board of Ohio. Tom Bullock 0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:18.680 is here is our executive director, Tom. 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:22.959 Welcome, How are you good morning? I'm good, good good. 0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:25.760 Why would keeping a coal plant open cost us more money? 0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:28.200 Does it cost more money to open new plants? 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.200 Most of these plants in question are very old, seventy 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.680 years old, sixty years old. They were designed for a 0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:40.480 different era. The parts don't exist, the facilities aren't designed 0:38:40.560 --> 0:38:44.000 to power up or power down swiftly or respond to 0:38:44.040 --> 0:38:47.239 economic conditions. So it's a little bit like if your 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.759 uncle gave you a nineteen seventy two Chevy and it 0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:53.160 still runs and leted gasoline and you're supposed to drive 0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.759 that around. Yeah, in theory it's cheaper, but really to 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:59.359 operate it, how do you get the parts to repair 0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:03.040 it when nobody makes them. It's difficult. 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.440 Okay, So the question be why why are we forcing 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:06.359 to keep these plants open? 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:11.520 Then, well, you'd have to ask the White House. The 0:39:11.920 --> 0:39:16.560 White House believes that it wants to support one fuel source. Now, 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:20.080 power is generated by a mix of sources. Coal, nuclear, 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:23.400 natural gas is a big, big player, and increasingly wind 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:28.800 and solar. Those are low costs, and then battery storage 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:32.000 plays a role as well. Those are essentially large versions 0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:35.400 of the lithium ion batteries you carry around in your 0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.920 smartphone in your pocket all day long. Those play a 0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:43.920 role because it evens out the grid and you can 0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:48.520 use cheap solar or wind when there's extra power and 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:50.800 you don't need it, stor it in the battery, and 0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:52.400 then release it when you do need it. 0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:53.480 Gotcha. 0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:56.360 But what's driving this though, is demand. Right as I 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:59.480 understand it, we're putting all these AI facilities online. Ohio, 0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:02.560 for example, Columbus Butler County is getting like a million 0:40:02.920 --> 0:40:06.880 square foot facility as well, and so they're extending the 0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:09.240 life of coal plants because we need to meet demand. 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:11.520 The problem is the forecast, and I'm sure you know 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:15.200 by what twenty thirty nine is allegedly going to go 0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:17.640 up some forty percent. That's just demand that we don't 0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:20.239 have the infrastructure and the transmission to be able to 0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:24.600 get that power to households and businesses and residents. Obviously, 0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.719 in addition to all of the technology's going online. So 0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:30.040 it feels to me like an all hands on deck approach. 0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:30.600 Is that wrong? 0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:33.600 Half right, half wrong? 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:37.880 There for sure is data centers that are driving low growth. 0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:40.160 Part of that is artificial intelligence, part of it's not. 0:40:40.640 --> 0:40:43.600 There's also new factories coming to Ohio, like we hope 0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:47.200 the Intel plants. As people also electrify their homes with 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:50.680 electric cars or switch their furthest to a heat pump, 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:54.480 there's going to be more growth overall. But we do 0:40:54.560 --> 0:40:58.000 have power today. What's causing the price bike is the speculation, 0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.399 as you said, about the X five years or so 0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:03.799 for data center growth, and there's a bit of an 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:08.399 arms race by those companies to build out. And if 0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:11.120 you don't have power, a data center is a warehouse 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.840 full of expensive junk. So it's a real issue. But 0:41:14.920 --> 0:41:19.080 it's not coal that is needed, it's power that the 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:23.160 market decides is the best choice. And that gets to 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:26.560 the heart of it. Government isn't supposed to be picking 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:30.520 winners and losers. And if the White House picks losing 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:34.640 facilities that are closed because they're the most expensive and 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:39.280 forces people to use those market losers to drive power, 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.520 it's going to make losers out of all how consumers, 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:45.840 because what you're doing is you're spiking the market. The 0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:50.120 market is designed to have an auction and the lowest 0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:55.120 cost supplier wins. But if somebody comes in and says, hey, market, 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:58.080 I'm going to force you to not just take expensive power, 0:41:58.160 --> 0:42:01.319 but the most expensive power from the oldest and lease 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:06.799 nimble and least adaptive facilities, it's keews everything. So the 0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:10.520 issue isn't the fuel source. The issue is let the 0:42:10.560 --> 0:42:14.640 market function like it's supposed to without tampering. 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:16.600 What does the market want. 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:24.200 When the market wants more power and affordable power, which 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.799 is going to be a little bit of an up 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.919 and down as you bring new resources on. But if 0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:34.520 you let the market function, a temporary high price in 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:38.240 the short term will level out and decrease over time. 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.840 The challenge, though, is that our regional grid it's called PJM. 0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:47.279 Ohio was part of thirteen states in a grid that 0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:53.040 includes the mid Atlantic Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, et cetera. It's 0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:57.360 not easy to get new power added to the grid, 0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:02.760 and that is worsening prices in the term. So PJM, 0:43:03.360 --> 0:43:06.719 not the federal government, also has work to do to 0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:11.560 make the hot prices, which are setting the signal to suppliers. Hey, 0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:16.320 power producers, come online, we need you. The market is 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:20.560 setting that signal. But the problem is PGM has restrictions 0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:24.160 about adding power and interconnecting with the grid that are 0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.239 too slow and difficult. So the prices are going to 0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.880 be high for a while with no market solutions. So 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:32.280 PGM has work to do to lower our prices. 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:35.040 Is this just a case of bureaucracy and this is 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.799 what is It's a choke point in that we have 0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:41.440 an increasing demand for power, and so you address that 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:44.279 by keeping the old technology online, when of course keeping 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:46.560 old stuff going, as you pointed out, as always more 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.240 expensive the future. 0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:50.680 To me, you should be everything should be on the table. 0:43:51.040 --> 0:43:56.720 We if wind or solar, whatever works, hydrogen, nuclear, whatever 0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:58.800 it is, whatever we can get to market more quickly. 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:01.520 That's what we should be the favoring at this point. 0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.120 Why isn't that happening, especially for the An administration. It 0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.800 seems so friendly about getting rid of all the gridlock 0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:09.000 and bureaucracy and doze and all that stuff that fits 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:09.279 right in. 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:10.200 Why isn't that happening? 0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:14.080 Well, because I think what's happening is a lobbyist and 0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:18.880 the political favors are getting involved instead of instead of 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:22.120 letting the market. So capitalism as a creative destructive cycle. 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:25.640 What happens is the least expensive old technology goes away 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.440 and is replaced by a new, better mouse trapper, in 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:32.440 this case, a new, cheaper generation facility. But if the 0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:35.680 people who are friends with the old facilities say, hey, 0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.160 wait a minute, we don't like the market. If you 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:42.200 do me a political favor, well, then it makes everything 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:45.440 more expensive for everybody else. There are more than one 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:51.400 thousand power production generation facilities in our regional thirteen state grid. 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:56.439 If you say the top fifty or one hundred most 0:44:56.560 --> 0:45:01.040 expensive power plants are forced to be kept open and 0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:03.880 sold even when the companies that own them want to 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:07.600 close them, you're going to skew that market. So there's 0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:13.279 enough out Pardon me, there's enough out there that we 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:15.799 don't need to tamper with if we need to do 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:18.239 what the State of Ohio did earlier this year. Sit 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:22.160 of Ohio deserves some credit. Is leaned into market competition, 0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:26.000 technology neutral. It doesn't try to pick winners and losers 0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:28.640 about which fuel source. It says, we're not going to 0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:32.120 have regulated generation. We do want to expand power production 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:36.400 so that we have affordable The keyword is affordable energy 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:40.000 to power our economy. And we're going to let the 0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:44.320 investors in the free market competition do its job, which 0:45:44.400 --> 0:45:46.520 means when an investor. 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:50.680 Takes a risk on a plant, if they if they 0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:53.480 messed up, the losses on them, the loss doesn't get 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.319 forced to be paid for by consumers, which is what 0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:57.560 regulated monopolies do. 0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.920 So basically, the federal GOVERMN is trying to turn back 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:06.280 the clock to a regulated monopoly style of power supply 0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:09.879 decision making. We don't need that today. We've got all 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:13.520 kinds of technology that can be a better solution. I 0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:16.680 like to say engineers are smart. People are smart if 0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:19.680 you can just get the legal and the financial out 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:22.279 of the way of the inventors and the engineers. We 0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:25.640 could do all kinds of cool new solutions, but it's 0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:27.000 hard to get past legal. 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:28.480 And there's a match of factors. 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:31.560 It's Tom Bullock, Executive Director of Citizens Utility Board of Ohio. 0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:34.080 Because of the high demand that we're facing when it 0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:37.200 comes to our electrical grid and power and the choke point, 0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:40.200 which of course is demand and we don't have transmission 0:46:40.320 --> 0:46:40.880 and supply. 0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:42.640 That's going to drive closs up. 0:46:43.360 --> 0:46:45.680 And we're adding more and more infrastructure in the forums 0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:48.040 while you know people buying electric cars plugging this in. 0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:49.920 But the big one is data centers in AI and 0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:52.759 we're putting plants all over, including Butler County, that just 0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:56.880 need a tremendous amount of energy and resources for that. 0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:59.040 Water is another great example of that thing too, and 0:46:59.080 --> 0:47:01.320 now maybe not in our scope here, but some data 0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:04.120 centers consume up to five million gallons of water a day. 0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:06.920 That's about enough for a town of about fifty thousand people, 0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:11.640 which is an incredible amount of resources dedicated to keeping 0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.680 power that little thing in our hands. Right with AI 0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:16.600 and infrastrate and information the data center right, a tremendous 0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:18.000 amount of power is also. 0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.400 Be We should also be careful some of This is 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:24.040 data center speculation. It's a bubble that converse. And some 0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.520 of these data center companies are planning to build one 0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:32.520 or two data centers, but they're filing redundant applications in 0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:36.000 the Great Plain States, in our region, in the Northeast, 0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:39.200 in the Southeast, and they're racing to figure out who 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:43.319 gets gives them their permit first. So they're not building ten, 0:47:43.920 --> 0:47:47.279 they're only building two. And all of us are scrambling 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:49.239 and saying, oh my gosh, we have to add all 0:47:49.239 --> 0:47:54.319 this power. So there's an important double checking process that 0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:56.640 we need to do to make sure we're not overbuilding. 0:47:57.200 --> 0:48:01.000 But one consumer who is in Ohio talk to the 0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:04.680 Cleveland plant dealers. Let me get this straight. Data centers 0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:09.640 are increasing my bill today and I didn't do anything 0:48:09.960 --> 0:48:13.880 to invite them here, and yet their costs are already 0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:16.720 affecting me. This is one more example of where business 0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:19.560 costs get dumped onto Bob and Betty Buckeye and they 0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:20.920 privatize the games. 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.759 Well, real quick, Tom, what's happening with for example, you 0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:27.000 mentioned you know they're getting pulling permits and getting ready 0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:30.080 to bid. What's going on the Columbus Intel plant, Because 0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:32.279 that's still not where they promised to be. This part 0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:37.360 we're pushing operations back another five or six years, are I. 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:41.480 I think that's right. I know that the governor and 0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:46.720 even the White House has been working to continue getting 0:48:46.840 --> 0:48:51.600 INTEL to move forward on the project. There's such enormous 0:48:51.640 --> 0:48:56.840 amounts of money involved that you're going to have to 0:48:56.920 --> 0:49:01.040 have some federal supports for what called the Chips Act. 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:05.160 But that was a change between the previous administration the 0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:10.520 current one. So I tend to think that it's important 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:15.120 for Ohio to pursue and implement these kinds of facilities. 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:19.080 But you also for you know, we speak for small 0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.120 residential consumers. So the points you've been making in this 0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:26.000 conversational longer than good ones, which is, as you build 0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:30.759 these very large factories for very large ener consumers, kind 0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:34.480 of make sure the way that the grid infrastructure is 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:38.239 paid for doesn't get dumped onto the neighbors. It's like, 0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:41.480 you know, dump your leaves over your back fence into 0:49:41.520 --> 0:49:45.040 your neighbor's yard. But that financially happens all the time 0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.400 in the world of utilities, and it shouldn't happen. So 0:49:48.480 --> 0:49:50.200 that's why groups like ours try to speak up for 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:51.120 the little little guy. 0:49:51.360 --> 0:49:54.040 How hard is it too, Tom? Because it's always there 0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:57.080 is the effort to get cleaner power, and we need 0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.879 more and more of it. Is it odds with infrastructure 0:50:00.000 --> 0:50:03.000 holding infrastructure because there's right of ways? I mean, look 0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:05.759 what happened with the Keystone XL pipeline getting shut down. 0:50:05.800 --> 0:50:08.920 It's a lot more efficient, easier and safer than taking 0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:10.719 all of that fuel that we need and putting out 0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.040 on railcars or they can. You know, look what happened 0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:15.280 in Ohio, not just a few handful of years ago, 0:50:16.080 --> 0:50:18.520 and that's transporting stuff over rail, which is a lot 0:50:18.560 --> 0:50:20.880 more dangerous and efficient in the system. What about the 0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:24.400 environmental pushback from all this? Is that slowing things up 0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:26.600 at that that's costs money? 0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:31.600 I don't think so. I think there are land used 0:50:31.680 --> 0:50:36.839 questions anytime you do power infrastructure, and that's also true 0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:40.480 if you build a subdivision or a shopping wall. Government 0:50:40.600 --> 0:50:44.440 has to be thoughtful about how it balances those competing 0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:49.520 interest between the new development and the neighbors. Clean energy 0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:53.240 like wind and solar is increasingly the cheapest on the market. 0:50:54.080 --> 0:50:56.520 If you marry it up with battery storage, then it 0:50:56.560 --> 0:50:59.799 can provide you more of around the clock twenty four 0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:04.640 cent solution, especially if you think of it not at 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:08.560 one store or one house, but on an average across 0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:13.200 a statewide region. So if you think of Ohio, Illinois, 0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:17.040 Indiana together, the wind is always blowing somewhere and the 0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:19.799 sun is always shining somewhere. So at the aggregate, you 0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:24.160 could add a lot of inexpensive power to add to 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:28.160 the mix of more expensive power sources than are traditional 0:51:28.200 --> 0:51:32.759 baseload like nuclear or natural gas. But what you have 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:36.680 to do is let one hundred companies or a thousand 0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:41.759 companies make their everyday economic decisions and investment decisions, and 0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:46.120 collectively that market will be more intelligent and less expensive 0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:49.640 than a governor or a president try to put his 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:53.160 or her thumb on the scale, you know. I mean, 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:55.600 it's amazing to me that we have to even explain 0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:57.480 this in a country that's supposed to be a free 0:51:57.520 --> 0:51:58.799 market capitalist, but. 0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:03.319 Depend complain about socialism practice socialism themselves. The people who 0:52:03.400 --> 0:52:05.759 like socialism want more socialism. 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:08.720 Well, there's some truth to what you just said, and 0:52:08.760 --> 0:52:12.319 there's a hypocrisy in all directions. And all of us 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:14.200 live in glass houses, so I should be careful about 0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:17.640 the stones I throw but I guess because the prices 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:21.680 are going up. There's a survey that said so from 0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:24.560 last week national survey, thirty four percent of Americans take 0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:28.960 electricity prices are a major concern. That's high. Think it's 0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:31.680 a minor concern. This is on our radar and it's 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:36.279 not going to go away. And yes, data centers are 0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:41.440 kind of the first stage of forcing prices up, but 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:43.720 there's all these other pressures. For the next twenty years, 0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:46.120 I think it's going to be increasingly concerned, So we're 0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:49.640 going to be spending more time thinking about it. You 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:52.399 do have solutions on your end. You can insulate your 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:55.880 home air seal with a cacking gun. That's nineteen forties. 0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:58.560 Technology that's not new, are expensive. You just got to 0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:02.000 do it. But none of us do that perfectly, but 0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:06.000 we can help results. And then new technology is not 0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:09.160 everything has to be a giant megaplant. You could do 0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:13.880 something on your home or business. There's medium tier facilities 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:17.160 we're working on. So let's say it's on twenty acres 0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:20.320 forty acres or an industrial roof. You could put solar, 0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:24.400 or you could do part solar, part battery, part natural gas, 0:53:24.640 --> 0:53:28.000 like a microgrid hybrid system. And then it can be 0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:31.960 back up emergency power for a facility or a factory 0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:32.839 that has to run it all. 0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:35.719 But Tom a little bit about that business. That's an 0:53:35.760 --> 0:53:38.640 expensive outlay, and sometimes you know, you get an agreement 0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:40.400 where they put it on quote unquote for free. But 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:42.799 the big on that what you're paying an interest base 0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:45.880 of the payback is pretty extreme. That might be good 0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:48.600 if you have that upfront cash or the math works 0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:51.160 for you, but right now, for most people that doesn't. 0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:55.600 Well, if you're talking about a business, it's probably easier 0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:58.440 to get there, true, and it depends if your business 0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.640 is energy intents of like many family owned businesses in 0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:05.640 Ohio or manufacturing businesses where energy is their second most 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:10.840 expensive category after labor, so they pay very careful attention 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:15.640 already to that. So you're right, some businesses it'll be 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:17.880 easier to get there than others. Hospitals are a good use. 0:54:18.000 --> 0:54:21.480 Even school systems that have let's say five elementary schools, 0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:24.160 two middle schools in a high school, you can aggregate 0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:27.279 all that power draw and then feed it with a 0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:30.279 virtual net metering system that might be in the next 0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:34.879 county over. So I think what you'll find is even 0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:38.040 if you don't power all of the needs. You could 0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:41.120 do a portion of it, and then that gives you 0:54:41.160 --> 0:54:44.680 a long term, low price, stable contract, and so your 0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:48.360 financial people can say, we're in a better position to 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:51.319 have control over our bills and our risk and we 0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:54.319 can plan for the future better. Some of the power 0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:56.879 will buy from the traditional grid, but some will get 0:54:56.920 --> 0:55:00.000 from these other systems, so you have options and nobody 0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:02.640 should be forced to do this. But I kind of 0:55:02.680 --> 0:55:05.560 do think we're going to enter a new era where 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:08.399 we're thinking more about electricity that we try. 0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:11.920 My fear is tom My favor I amount of time. 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:14.040 But my fear is there's going to be, like anything 0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:15.480 we don't do anything. 0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:16.680 Proactive, we do it reactively. 0:55:16.719 --> 0:55:18.320 There's going to be some sort of energy nine to 0:55:18.360 --> 0:55:21.160 eleven where our grid shutdown, will be in a crisis 0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:23.360 before anyone goes man, we got to do something about this. 0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:24.840 That's just what we do in America. 0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:29.920 I think we bridge until Yeah, exactly, we. 0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:32.960 Need a light at this intersection because some kids are 0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:34.560 going to get hit on their bike. Don't worry about 0:55:34.600 --> 0:55:36.719 a kid gets on the bike. Politicians out there, why 0:55:36.719 --> 0:55:41.319 don't we have a stoplight? I think I'm a big 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:45.640 proponent and fascinated by many nuclear reactors, small nuclear reactors 0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:48.720 to power those AI facilities just have it on board. 0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:51.760 And the problem, of course, I think House Bill six 0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:54.600 and the first energy scandal ruined nuclear in the state 0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:55.080 of Ohio. 0:55:57.800 --> 0:56:02.799 I would I would say there's still possibilities there. It's 0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:07.040 very expensive, but there could be some business use cases 0:56:07.160 --> 0:56:11.440 for it, including the data centers. Yeah, it's kind of 0:56:11.440 --> 0:56:13.799 always like, well, twenty years in the future it'll be 0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:15.600 it'll be ready. Maybe it's ten years in the future, 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:18.319 we'll see, I mean, all options on the table. But 0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:22.440 some of these data centers may indeed be a good 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:25.520 category for using that. I'm hearing three Mile Island in 0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:27.239 New York is going to be reopened by the end 0:56:27.239 --> 0:56:31.399 of the data center something like that. So so some 0:56:31.480 --> 0:56:35.920 of those super intensive, high price, and they've got to 0:56:35.960 --> 0:56:39.560 have the power and they can't risk their grid cutting 0:56:39.600 --> 0:56:42.680 out of them, they may do things like that. 0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:43.480 That's fascinating. 0:56:43.480 --> 0:56:45.279 I mean to send it in that direction that you 0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:47.520 could have a reactor the size of I don't know, 0:56:47.520 --> 0:56:50.440 a filing cabinet or a toaster, and that would power 0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:53.720 a subdivision or a fact or something along those lines, 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:56.080 and that's essentially send it back into the company that 0:56:56.120 --> 0:56:57.880 makes and get a new one, kind of like a 0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:00.880 battery pack. But Tom Bullock exactly Director of Citizens, You 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:02.759 Telly Bordabill have the and keep the coal plants open 0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:04.719 because of the demand, and we don't have altered solutions. We 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:06.279 got to wait for the sky to fall before we 0:57:06.320 --> 0:57:08.560 do anything. I think that is the too long. Didn't 0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:11.680 read versions of this conversation, but I appreciate your time 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:12.440 again this morning. 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:13.200 Time. Thanks again. 0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:14.879 Let's talk some more. Thank you. 0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:17.760 As we speak, we've got another cold snap about to begin, 0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:20.320 which means even more energy costs for me and you. 0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:23.160 Scott's Loan Show seven hundred WLW. 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:28.560 Helping you navigate the rocky path the fulfilling employment. 0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:32.800 Here's our career, Julie Bouki. 0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:37.520 Girl is here from god knows where she scented her 0:57:37.600 --> 0:57:39.960 cheeks today, but she's somewhere fun, that's for sure. Our 0:57:40.000 --> 0:57:42.960 career Shirpa who works hard and plays hard Julie Bouki 0:57:43.040 --> 0:57:44.520 on the show. Welcome Jules, how are you? 0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:46.040 Good morning? 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:51.320 Great, good morning. It's that kind of reluctantly. We've talked about. 0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:53.240 This in the past. We'll start with something local here. 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:55.640 We've talked about this in the past, and when an 0:57:55.640 --> 0:58:01.080 employer tells you we're family, we're but we're family, you 0:58:01.120 --> 0:58:04.160 should probably well, I don't know, run, but go No, 0:58:04.920 --> 0:58:07.240 this is business. I already have a family. 0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:07.480 Thank you. 0:58:07.480 --> 0:58:08.959 I go to bring this up because that was brought 0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:11.880 up in this case recently settled for over one and 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:15.240 a half million dollars for some seven hundred plus employees 0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:18.560 in Jeff Ruby Culinary Entertainment class action suit. And that's 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:22.040 not uncommon in the cutthroat world of food and beverage. 0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:23.040 Let's just say what it is. 0:58:23.080 --> 0:58:25.760 It's a whole different that's a whole different job model 0:58:25.800 --> 0:58:29.520 there than what we usually talk about. But the impetus 0:58:29.520 --> 0:58:32.240 for the class action suit for some seven hundred employees 0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:35.080 was that they weren't paid tips they earned one owed 0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:38.160 as much as nineteen thousand dollars. In addition to that, 0:58:38.520 --> 0:58:40.520 by paying out some of the tips to back house 0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:44.160 employees who aren't eligible, they also were claimed they were 0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:47.640 they failed to pay the minimum wage for time spent 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:50.120 doing prep work meaning before you open your role in 0:58:50.200 --> 0:58:52.720 silverware and napkins, you know, clean and boosts, slight and bread, 0:58:52.760 --> 0:58:56.120 getting ready for service and they claimed they were paid 0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:59.360 the rate of a tipped employee, when in fact it 0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:02.000 should have been out and they wound up settling for 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:04.880 over a million and a half dollars. It's in the 0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:07.560 foot and beverage is kind of an outlier basically because 0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:09.680 it is a tipped environment. It seems like things that 0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:14.400 happen in food and restaurant legally or otherwise. It's just 0:59:14.480 --> 0:59:16.040 different than the rest of the working world. 0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:20.240 Yeah, it is because and we can argue all day 0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:22.440 about whether tippings should be a thing or not, or 0:59:22.480 --> 0:59:25.840 whether emplawyers should pay more. But the fact of the 0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:29.080 matter is when you've got a restaurant that you've got 0:59:29.520 --> 0:59:32.720 people in the back, maybe and there is a way 0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:35.680 to split tips with people in the back, but there 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:39.160 have to be certain standards met before that goes into action. Right, 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:41.880 And so this loss said, just like you said, you 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:44.560 were splitting her tips illegally with the people in the 0:59:44.600 --> 0:59:47.680 back in the back, and then you also were not 0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:49.760 paying us what we should have been paid more like, 0:59:49.760 --> 0:59:51.880 in other words, we're rolling napkins for two dollars now 0:59:52.000 --> 0:59:56.120 or whatever. And it's yes, I mean, it is certainly 0:59:57.000 --> 0:59:59.920 the administration in the back room, the operations of a restaurant. 1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:02.920 It is probably just so difficult to keep up with 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:06.480 in terms of making sure you're doing everything right because 1:00:06.520 --> 1:00:08.960 the law has changed constantly. People are coming and go on. 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:10.720 They might be coming in an hour early. How do 1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:14.320 we pay them for that? But this lawsuit shows that 1:00:14.600 --> 1:00:16.560 you have to stay on top of the stuff. 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:20.640 Yeah, and granted, let me interject to granted, I think it. 1:00:21.520 --> 1:00:23.760 You know, this isn't the you know, the Chinese buffet. 1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:25.840 You're not working line somewhere and you know, okay, I'm 1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:27.760 not going to get you know, you're getting pretty good 1:00:27.800 --> 1:00:30.640 tips at Ruby's, and so you're making extremely good money 1:00:30.720 --> 1:00:33.840 for server. That said, there's the law and that's what 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:34.520 you're talking about. 1:00:35.440 --> 1:00:37.920 Yeah, yeah, and so I think in these cases, in 1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:40.280 these types of industries, you have to have a special 1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:43.960 diligence and really really pay attention in the first time 1:00:44.040 --> 1:00:46.240 somebody complains and says, well, wait a minute, you had 1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:49.680 me come in three hours early to do this, and 1:00:49.720 --> 1:00:53.960 you paid me a tipped person's hourly wage, which might 1:00:54.000 --> 1:00:56.760 be just a few bucks. We need to correct that 1:00:57.080 --> 1:00:59.480 the minute somebody brings that to you. As an owner 1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:03.360 or a leader of an organization, you absolutely have to 1:01:03.400 --> 1:01:06.680 get someone involved and look into it. Are they correct, 1:01:06.680 --> 1:01:09.320 and if they are, you have to correct that. It's 1:01:09.520 --> 1:01:12.480 just I don't care if you feel like your people 1:01:12.600 --> 1:01:15.240 make enough in tips that they shouldn't complain about this, 1:01:15.720 --> 1:01:17.920 or you feel like we're a family, or we give 1:01:17.960 --> 1:01:20.080 you extra food to take home, or so you shouldn't 1:01:20.080 --> 1:01:23.640 complain about this entirely separate issue. You're mixing apples and 1:01:23.680 --> 1:01:26.600 oranges here. And if you've got somebody who feels like 1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:28.960 and it looks like it was found that this person 1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:31.640 missed out on up to nineteen thousand dollars in tips, 1:01:32.000 --> 1:01:38.680 that's significance. That's you can't We talk about engaged workers, 1:01:38.720 --> 1:01:41.000 how they will often go above and beyond help out 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:43.360 when they really don't have to, and that's all well 1:01:43.400 --> 1:01:45.560 and good, but it goes to a point. And if 1:01:45.600 --> 1:01:47.960 it's to the point that people are coming in and 1:01:48.000 --> 1:01:51.440 they're doing work for you and they are not getting 1:01:51.480 --> 1:01:54.720 paid what they should be getting paid, pulling out the 1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:57.560 well we're family and blah blah blah. One hundred and 1:01:57.560 --> 1:02:01.000 twenty seven people jumped on this class act and lawsuits 1:02:01.240 --> 1:02:03.960 and you you know, and so you know a lot 1:02:04.080 --> 1:02:07.360 when there's smoke there's some sort of fire and yes, ever, 1:02:07.680 --> 1:02:09.800 you know, I'm sure you could dig into every business 1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:13.480 in town and you buy something to be addressed. But 1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:15.760 the trick is, as a leader, when someone brings it 1:02:15.840 --> 1:02:18.640 up the first time, do get in there, figure it 1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:20.920 out and fix it, and don't let it get to 1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:22.880 the point where you've got one hundred and twenty five 1:02:22.920 --> 1:02:28.640 people saying yeah, me too, right, and it's yeah. 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:30.439 Yeah, Ruby's is making headlines for this, But again it's 1:02:30.560 --> 1:02:32.440 it's I don't know, common, but it feels like it's 1:02:32.520 --> 1:02:34.480 kind of common in food and the food and beverages. 1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:38.280 I heard some from servers that there's another place, not Rubies, somewhere, 1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:40.720 but they were like, and you're always trying to find 1:02:40.760 --> 1:02:42.680 ways to try and put more money to the bottom 1:02:42.680 --> 1:02:45.320 line because the margins are so ridiculously thin. And food 1:02:45.360 --> 1:02:49.840 and beverage that they were taking. I think like if 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:51.760 someone paid with a credit card, they would adoc the 1:02:51.800 --> 1:02:54.560 server like two percent because that was their share of 1:02:55.000 --> 1:02:56.760 you know, the credit card payment for the credit card. 1:02:56.800 --> 1:02:58.720 Compani's got to take credit card com and the house 1:02:58.760 --> 1:03:00.880 would for the meal would take there. But you know, 1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:03.400 it's it just goes to show you just how narrow 1:03:03.440 --> 1:03:05.760 and thin the margins are in the restaurant industry, and 1:03:05.760 --> 1:03:08.040 they're always looking for a way to put a little 1:03:08.080 --> 1:03:09.480 bit more towards the bottom line. 1:03:09.520 --> 1:03:10.560 So not surprising. 1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:13.200 I'm sure there'll be other stories in the future, maybe 1:03:13.200 --> 1:03:15.680 not necessarily with Jeff Ruby, but other you know, other 1:03:15.720 --> 1:03:19.520 purveyors that they try to do that well hopefully. 1:03:19.600 --> 1:03:22.040 And when a lawsuit like this comes out and they 1:03:22.120 --> 1:03:23.959 have to put a million and a half dollars into 1:03:23.960 --> 1:03:26.200 a fund to pay it back, told me they didn't 1:03:26.240 --> 1:03:27.840 take care of it along the way when it first 1:03:27.840 --> 1:03:29.880 came up. They didn't look into it, they didn't shut 1:03:29.920 --> 1:03:33.720 it down, they didn't they didn't provide proof that they 1:03:33.760 --> 1:03:37.440 were paying people the right way. And so you just 1:03:37.440 --> 1:03:38.800 look at this and say, well, maybe this will be 1:03:38.800 --> 1:03:40.720 a wake up call to other restaurants to say, we 1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:42.960 need to make sure we've got you know, we've got 1:03:42.960 --> 1:03:44.800 our house in order when it comes to how we'll 1:03:44.840 --> 1:03:45.480 pull our people. 1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:47.800 Yeah. Yeah, but that is the that's the nature. 1:03:47.840 --> 1:03:51.000 I mean how they just closed Lempika and that seven 1:03:51.080 --> 1:03:53.280 threet location because of well crime and other things that 1:03:53.280 --> 1:03:55.760 were happening downtown. So you know, they definitely feeling the 1:03:55.760 --> 1:03:57.720 squeez at Rubies for sure, But again if you're in 1:03:57.760 --> 1:04:00.400 that that line of work ever and so looking for 1:04:00.440 --> 1:04:02.320 an angle for sure. So it's a lot different than 1:04:02.320 --> 1:04:05.560 what'll we usually talk about on that Julie Bouki survey 1:04:05.600 --> 1:04:07.440 came out said most employees said that they planned to 1:04:07.440 --> 1:04:09.680 stay at their jobs in twenty twenty six because of 1:04:09.800 --> 1:04:12.800 the job climb and economic climate. But you also have 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:16.680 burnout and layoffs and workers are concerned. And almost six 1:04:16.680 --> 1:04:18.760 out of ten said their salaries are not keeping up 1:04:18.760 --> 1:04:21.680 with inflation. And that feels about right, But yet people 1:04:21.760 --> 1:04:25.840 are not wanting to leave. Doesn't that give employees significant 1:04:25.840 --> 1:04:27.040 advantage to beat the hell out of you? 1:04:28.240 --> 1:04:31.320 Well, it kind of does, you know, I'm looking at 1:04:31.360 --> 1:04:34.680 what are employers predicting that the average salary increase in 1:04:34.760 --> 1:04:38.960 twenty twenty six will be. It's not nothing, and it's 1:04:39.000 --> 1:04:43.040 not significantly lower than other years. It's about three two 1:04:43.640 --> 1:04:45.440 three zero point two to three and a half percent. 1:04:45.600 --> 1:04:48.080 People look at that and say, yeah, but that doesn't 1:04:48.080 --> 1:04:51.520 help me keep up with rising prices and all the 1:04:51.560 --> 1:04:54.960 other things that I'm pressured with. And if on top 1:04:55.000 --> 1:04:58.040 of that, promotion is being held off, if you are 1:04:58.080 --> 1:05:01.360 being given more responsible ability Let's say that you are 1:05:01.400 --> 1:05:03.480 doing one job, they lay off several people, and you 1:05:03.560 --> 1:05:07.600 end up with your job doubling, with your job responsibilities 1:05:07.640 --> 1:05:11.280 doubling or increasing by a third, and you're getting a 1:05:11.320 --> 1:05:15.040 three percent increase. What that does is it not only 1:05:15.280 --> 1:05:17.640 has that financial pressure on you, but it's the mental 1:05:17.680 --> 1:05:20.400 pressure as well. We weren't meant to do the jobs 1:05:20.400 --> 1:05:23.280 of multiple people for long periods of time, but when 1:05:23.280 --> 1:05:25.880 there's when there is an economy like we're in right now, 1:05:26.160 --> 1:05:30.440 employers will use that as a reason say, well, we 1:05:30.480 --> 1:05:34.000 can't really afford to hire anyone now we laid off 1:05:34.000 --> 1:05:36.560 half the department. So you guys, wow, aren't you glad 1:05:36.560 --> 1:05:39.240 you have a job? You need to be grateful and 1:05:39.320 --> 1:05:43.520 step up and pick up the slack. And we get 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:46.000 so like, okay, okay, yeah, I'll do that because we're 1:05:46.040 --> 1:05:49.880 so afraid of losing our job that we will do 1:05:50.000 --> 1:05:53.000 anything or ask to do just to not be unemployed. 1:05:53.440 --> 1:05:55.200 And that does not come without costs. 1:05:55.320 --> 1:05:56.000 I promise you. 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:59.000 You're not getting the best out of your people if 1:05:59.000 --> 1:06:01.280 you're putting them in a situation where they can't win, 1:06:01.320 --> 1:06:02.920 where they can't get all their work done, whether the 1:06:03.000 --> 1:06:06.160 constantly under pressure where they're burnt out where they're calling 1:06:06.160 --> 1:06:09.240 in sick, where they you know, you're not getting the best, 1:06:09.320 --> 1:06:12.840 and so I think sometimes we are, you know, dollars 1:06:12.880 --> 1:06:14.800 chasing pennies when it comes to how we look at 1:06:14.800 --> 1:06:17.520 our people. And then of course everyone always loves it 1:06:17.560 --> 1:06:20.320 when it comes out as the CEO got some big bonus, 1:06:20.680 --> 1:06:22.920 which you know, yeah. 1:06:21.640 --> 1:06:25.200 Right, well, I mean that's again nature of the business, right, 1:06:25.240 --> 1:06:27.680 But yeah, we want to hold on our jobs because 1:06:27.680 --> 1:06:30.560 they're worried about this economy right now, and I wonder 1:06:30.560 --> 1:06:32.560 how employeers get to squeeze you even more. And then, 1:06:32.640 --> 1:06:34.640 of course, you know, when we had that brief period, 1:06:34.640 --> 1:06:36.680 it doesn't seem like that long ago Julie with COVID 1:06:36.720 --> 1:06:40.160 and everything, where employees had the upper hand. Business off 1:06:40.200 --> 1:06:43.520 were screaming about, well, that's not fair. It's cyclical. 1:06:43.560 --> 1:06:44.200 It's what it is. 1:06:44.520 --> 1:06:46.920 How are people not showing up to job interviews and 1:06:47.080 --> 1:06:48.760 they're not showing up for work on their first day 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:49.720 because they got a better offer? 1:06:49.760 --> 1:06:52.000 How dare they do that? And now they're going to 1:06:52.040 --> 1:06:53.000 be punitive. 1:06:52.600 --> 1:06:55.760 In this Yeah, you know, the pendulums wings back and forth, 1:06:55.760 --> 1:06:59.280 and anytime it's swinging, there's bad behavior on both sides 1:07:00.080 --> 1:07:01.960 of things. I love this statement I was in this 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:05.000 article I was reading. It says the workforce has largely 1:07:05.160 --> 1:07:10.760 accepted uncertainty as a constant. And I think that is 1:07:10.880 --> 1:07:15.520 a fair statement, and I think uncertainty is a constant. 1:07:16.120 --> 1:07:18.720 It is never going back to like it was in 1:07:18.720 --> 1:07:22.000 the seventies and eighties. And so what people are doing 1:07:22.120 --> 1:07:24.160 is taking side hubles what else can I do and 1:07:24.320 --> 1:07:26.120 what else can we do as a family to bring 1:07:26.120 --> 1:07:29.320 in more money? And they're again great, but there is 1:07:29.360 --> 1:07:31.360 a cost to that, and part of that cost is 1:07:31.400 --> 1:07:35.080 to mental health, emotional health, but it also comes at 1:07:35.520 --> 1:07:38.640 the cost of maybe less than great performance in their 1:07:38.640 --> 1:07:41.800 primary job. You're not dealing with robots. We're actually dealing 1:07:41.800 --> 1:07:44.240 with human beings who do have a breaking point. And 1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:47.160 your best people, the people who are contributing at the 1:07:47.240 --> 1:07:50.680 highest level, those are the ones that will always have 1:07:50.960 --> 1:07:53.240 the best options. And so you have to be really 1:07:53.280 --> 1:07:56.520 careful if you're swinging that stick too hard, because someone 1:07:56.600 --> 1:07:59.320 else will come in and say, hey, how about we 1:07:59.320 --> 1:08:01.640 bring you over here, we give you a raise, because 1:08:01.680 --> 1:08:05.720 not all employers are suffering, and we you know, we 1:08:05.800 --> 1:08:09.840 only we only have you do one job? How about that? Like, yes, please, yes, 1:08:09.920 --> 1:08:11.640 there can I have another get me out of here? 1:08:12.280 --> 1:08:15.120 And yeah, So we will see some movement. It's just 1:08:15.160 --> 1:08:18.439 going to be more thoughtful movement, and people will because 1:08:18.439 --> 1:08:20.439 there are people are afraid that if I take a job, 1:08:21.040 --> 1:08:23.479 it's going to be last in, first out, you know. 1:08:23.520 --> 1:08:27.400 Oh yeah, but if I go over there poll. But 1:08:27.479 --> 1:08:30.040 let's remember it's about value. If you go in and 1:08:30.080 --> 1:08:33.320 you're adding value right away, we are in a value 1:08:33.360 --> 1:08:37.599 based We are moving toward a value based situation. Versus 1:08:37.800 --> 1:08:39.360 I've been here ten years and I'm kind of a 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:41.720 C player versus I've been here a year and I'm 1:08:41.720 --> 1:08:43.320 an A player. They're going to keep the A player. 1:08:43.439 --> 1:08:46.400 Yeah yeah, and you're also probably paying that person last too, 1:08:47.400 --> 1:08:48.200 Yeah exactly. 1:08:48.280 --> 1:08:49.559 Well that's not factors. 1:08:49.600 --> 1:08:52.879 And how much is the new back to office restriction 1:08:52.960 --> 1:08:55.320 be speaking the employer having the advantage. We're all moving 1:08:55.360 --> 1:08:57.599 back to office now because they have the upper hand here, 1:08:57.640 --> 1:08:59.479 so you don't have the lee way of going, well, 1:08:59.720 --> 1:09:01.360 you know, we just want to buy, We want you, 1:09:01.400 --> 1:09:02.840 and if you want to work from home, go ahead. 1:09:02.840 --> 1:09:04.840 Well that's all changing too, and it's largely because of 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:05.680 what we're talking about here. 1:09:05.680 --> 1:09:08.960 Right, Well, it isn't it isn't. I think it's again, 1:09:09.000 --> 1:09:12.040 it's the pendulum is swinging back the other way. I 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:15.200 think we are we are, mark my words, we are 1:09:15.360 --> 1:09:19.519 never going back to one hundred percent rto everywhere in 1:09:19.560 --> 1:09:20.920 the office, all the time, everywhere. 1:09:20.960 --> 1:09:21.599 We just aren't. 1:09:22.720 --> 1:09:25.519 And I'll take everybody is Jeff Ruby's for launch if 1:09:25.520 --> 1:09:31.120 we do enough, well tip, We're just not. And so 1:09:32.160 --> 1:09:36.360 in every single environment, even in environments where it says 1:09:36.760 --> 1:09:38.600 we're one hundred percent were turned to the office, No 1:09:38.600 --> 1:09:41.240 they're not, absolutely not. I talk to people all the 1:09:41.240 --> 1:09:44.320 time who work in companies where the leadership has come 1:09:44.360 --> 1:09:48.720 out and said we're rto everybody back, and people like, yeah, 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:52.439 I'm in two days a week. It's like, you know, 1:09:52.560 --> 1:09:56.120 let's bluster. But there's exceptions being made left and right 1:09:56.600 --> 1:10:01.439 all over the place for top performers, for jobs that 1:10:01.960 --> 1:10:05.439 really truly need zero in our office, in office interaction, 1:10:05.960 --> 1:10:08.880 and for people who say, go ahead, make me come 1:10:08.880 --> 1:10:10.559 back in the office, but know that you know I'm 1:10:10.560 --> 1:10:12.519 going to leave. And if you are a very strong 1:10:12.560 --> 1:10:15.519 performer and hard to replace, you have that hand. You 1:10:15.600 --> 1:10:16.439 have some hand there. 1:10:18.160 --> 1:10:20.680 Julie Balki our career sure on the Scotslan Show. Every 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:23.840 Wednesday morning talking about jobs and everything related here too, 1:10:24.240 --> 1:10:25.240 in case you're just joining. 1:10:25.360 --> 1:10:26.120 Study came out. 1:10:26.160 --> 1:10:28.040 Most employees said, well, we plan on staying at our 1:10:28.120 --> 1:10:31.160 jobs this year in twenty twenty six, but burnout and 1:10:31.240 --> 1:10:35.120 layoffs are concerned the economy. You know, are layoffs coming, 1:10:35.200 --> 1:10:37.920 and when employees hear that that you're going to stay, 1:10:38.680 --> 1:10:40.840 the chances of you getting a raise or are the 1:10:40.920 --> 1:10:43.960 rays you want anywhere probably pretty slim. I mean the employers, 1:10:44.160 --> 1:10:45.639 they're gonna have to hand out some money. You're gonna 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:47.440 have to get a raise right in most places. 1:10:48.240 --> 1:10:50.360 Yeah, I mean there will be some sort of something, 1:10:50.439 --> 1:10:54.680 whether it's just a token three percent. But anytime you 1:10:54.720 --> 1:10:58.599 are giving out increases and you aren't focused on giving 1:10:58.640 --> 1:11:03.760 more to your top employees, your top performers, you're going 1:11:03.800 --> 1:11:05.760 to have some turnover. I think you've got to be 1:11:05.800 --> 1:11:09.639 really careful with that performance, with that salary budget. Make 1:11:09.680 --> 1:11:13.200 sure that you're actually recognizing your top performers. And no, 1:11:13.280 --> 1:11:15.519 maybe you can't give them a huge raise, but maybe 1:11:15.600 --> 1:11:17.880 you move it up to five percent and get less 1:11:17.920 --> 1:11:20.760 to people who aren't quite chinning the bar. It's a 1:11:20.800 --> 1:11:26.760 performance based value. What's your value based culture versus a 1:11:26.760 --> 1:11:29.920 longevity culture and a loyalty culture anymore and that works 1:11:29.960 --> 1:11:30.960 on both sides of the table. 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:34.000 Yeah, makes sense. Julie Balki, you can get her at 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:35.360 Thebalkigroup dot com. 1:11:35.400 --> 1:11:37.439 That's b a UK. She got a whole team ready 1:11:37.439 --> 1:11:39.280 to go to work for you as a. 1:11:39.240 --> 1:11:43.360 Career coach consultant and Shirpa Here on the Scott Sloan Show, Joes, 1:11:43.400 --> 1:11:46.320 have a great week, enjoy. We'll chat again next Wednesday. 1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:47.639 Indeed we will. 1:11:47.760 --> 1:11:49.559 All the best, my friend be well, we've got a 1:11:49.560 --> 1:11:52.240 news update happening just seconds away here on the Big One. 1:11:52.400 --> 1:11:54.719 We've got weather moving and that's starting to change. Winners 1:11:54.760 --> 1:11:57.280 coming back with a vengeance starting feels like it is 1:11:57.360 --> 1:11:58.800 right now. As a matter of facts, the tempature con 1:11:58.880 --> 1:12:00.840 user drop. Next days are going to be rough. 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:01.160 Rough. 1:12:01.400 --> 1:12:04.120 Coming up next on the show, he's Kevin Burton from 1:12:04.120 --> 1:12:08.040 Crosstown consulting on a Northern Kentucky and new studies And 1:12:08.080 --> 1:12:10.120 I'm saying new, but Gallop Do's is every year, They've 1:12:10.120 --> 1:12:14.439 been doing it forever. Where voters stand on well, what 1:12:14.720 --> 1:12:19.439 group they belong to, right in which umbrella they're under, left, 1:12:19.800 --> 1:12:23.720 middle or right. The number of independent voters is now 1:12:23.800 --> 1:12:27.160 at an all time high, and yet if you look 1:12:27.160 --> 1:12:28.800 at politics, it doesn't feel that way. 1:12:28.840 --> 1:12:29.360 Why is it? 1:12:29.360 --> 1:12:31.960 What's this mean for the future for both the Democrats 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:34.720 and Republicans? Just ahead after news on the Home of 1:12:34.720 --> 1:12:36.719 the Red seven hundred WWT Cincinnati. 1:12:39.800 --> 1:12:43.519 It's only here, this is seven hundred WLW. This is interesting. 1:12:43.560 --> 1:12:48.000 A record high forty five percent of adults in America 1:12:48.479 --> 1:12:51.599 identified as political independence last year, and that number looks 1:12:51.600 --> 1:12:54.280 like it's going to grow this year in twenty twenty six. 1:12:55.439 --> 1:12:58.639 But an equal share of adults now consider themselves twenty 1:12:58.640 --> 1:13:03.320 seven percent Democrat, seven percent Republican of forty five percent independent. 1:13:03.360 --> 1:13:04.839 What the hell does that mean? Actually? 1:13:05.080 --> 1:13:08.519 And the independent percentage has increased in the past fifteen years, 1:13:08.880 --> 1:13:11.639 or around forty percent, but we haven't seen this level 1:13:11.680 --> 1:13:13.680 like in a long long time. What's driving this whole thing? 1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:17.000 Joining the show is Polster and political advisor. That'd be 1:13:17.000 --> 1:13:20.679 the legendary Kevin Burton from Crosstown Consulting in Northern Kentucky. 1:13:20.720 --> 1:13:23.880 Ke I doing I'm doing pretty good, Scott, Thank you 1:13:23.920 --> 1:13:24.639 for that introduction. 1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:29.840 Yeah, the legendary in your legendary at this point, this 1:13:29.920 --> 1:13:31.280 is I mean, I look at this and go okay, 1:13:31.680 --> 1:13:35.000 forty five percent independent. I consider myself that I tend 1:13:35.040 --> 1:13:36.439 to lean to the right, but at the same time 1:13:36.439 --> 1:13:39.679 I'm more libertarian. I'm kind of an amalgamation of different things. 1:13:39.720 --> 1:13:42.679 But I vote with my conscience, not because i want 1:13:42.720 --> 1:13:45.080 to be part of a movement, and I've yet to 1:13:45.080 --> 1:13:47.240 see a movement that I would be part of, because 1:13:47.520 --> 1:13:50.000 I think there's a certain amount of corruption, and also 1:13:50.160 --> 1:13:54.080 a glasshouse is nature, and also having to go against 1:13:54.080 --> 1:13:56.800 some ideals in order to compromise, and maybe I'm a 1:13:56.840 --> 1:13:59.120 little too stubborn to do that. But it seems like 1:13:59.200 --> 1:14:02.360 I'm in the majority here at this point. And what 1:14:02.360 --> 1:14:05.040 does this mean for the Democrats and Republicans? Of twenty 1:14:05.080 --> 1:14:09.360 seven percent are Democrats twenty seven percent of Republicans. They 1:14:09.400 --> 1:14:10.960 take up all the oxygen in a room. 1:14:12.800 --> 1:14:17.519 Yes, And the reason why independence have grown is because 1:14:17.760 --> 1:14:22.880 of the primary. So in Kentucky you have a close primary, 1:14:23.240 --> 1:14:25.840 so only DS can vote for D's, only rs can 1:14:25.920 --> 1:14:29.960 vote for ours. Eyes can't do anything. In Ohio, you 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:32.240 can do something. You know, you can do different things. 1:14:32.320 --> 1:14:34.640 If you're an eye. You can vote to the Democratic primary, 1:14:34.840 --> 1:14:39.200 you can vote to the Republican So each state is different. 1:14:39.400 --> 1:14:43.680 But the primaries always result in the most extremes on 1:14:43.760 --> 1:14:48.160 both sides, and that's why it's driven more independent because 1:14:48.160 --> 1:14:52.519 to win a primary, you're usually looking at ten, twelve, 1:14:52.680 --> 1:14:57.600 fifteen percent turnout in off year elections, which frankly, the 1:14:57.680 --> 1:15:00.240 only people who usually vote on those are people who 1:15:00.240 --> 1:15:02.479 are really riled up, So you're going to have the 1:15:02.520 --> 1:15:06.080 extremes on both sides. So it has pushed more people 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:11.360 to the middle. Now, when you do campaigns, though, there's 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:15.400 usually about eight to ten that are completely non leaning, 1:15:15.880 --> 1:15:20.320 and those are the core flippers for independence. How you 1:15:20.360 --> 1:15:21.520 win elections. 1:15:21.800 --> 1:15:25.680 Okay, obviously they're important in the election themselves. Some of 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:28.920 the old adage about you always campaign to the extremes 1:15:29.000 --> 1:15:31.040 and you governed from the middle, Well, that that sentiment's 1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:32.840 been gone for a while now, that's not that hasn't 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:33.639 been true in a while. 1:15:35.080 --> 1:15:36.479 No, oh not at all. 1:15:37.520 --> 1:15:40.080 I mean, which turns more people in independence. 1:15:40.120 --> 1:15:43.080 But again, if that's the way the system is designed, 1:15:43.680 --> 1:15:45.520 it feels like a fruitless effort. 1:15:45.240 --> 1:15:45.479 Is it. 1:15:47.080 --> 1:15:49.559 Well it is, and this is where it's kind of 1:15:49.560 --> 1:15:52.559 ironic that the only time both Democrats and Republicans work 1:15:52.600 --> 1:15:57.360 together is to squash any third party. Right, right, we 1:15:57.479 --> 1:15:58.160 talk about. 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:00.760 We talked about redistrict king in Ohio and Democrats all 1:16:00.800 --> 1:16:03.719 worked up. Well, what about states or Democrats? Well that's different. 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:09.920 Well, and you know for every California, there's an Alabama 1:16:10.080 --> 1:16:14.719 and vice versa. So you know the bulk of people, 1:16:15.040 --> 1:16:17.800 and you know you hear this with in your communities. 1:16:18.160 --> 1:16:22.559 You know you're at a bar, at a church, ninety 1:16:22.720 --> 1:16:27.000 percent of people just common sense things. And that's what 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:30.400 you're seeing with forty five percent of people identifying as 1:16:30.479 --> 1:16:34.479 independents and the twenty seven percent you know to an 1:16:34.640 --> 1:16:38.200 R or D, you're really seeing just kind of people 1:16:38.200 --> 1:16:41.360 where I think are just tired of just being tired 1:16:41.400 --> 1:16:42.160 of politics. 1:16:42.240 --> 1:16:43.760 Yeah, yeah, exhausting. 1:16:44.840 --> 1:16:46.880 Yeah, can we just get back to being like, hey, 1:16:47.120 --> 1:16:48.920 I might not agree with you, but it's okay. 1:16:49.120 --> 1:16:51.160 Yeah, we want to make make politics boring again. 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:57.320 That that should be the next slogan for anyone, right, 1:16:57.520 --> 1:16:58.599 makes politics boring? 1:16:59.000 --> 1:17:01.639 Make politics you don't talk about religion and politics, Well 1:17:01.640 --> 1:17:04.759 now we talk about both. And it's exhausting, quite honestly, 1:17:05.600 --> 1:17:07.559 when you start looking at the numbers. Zough inside the 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:10.800 over forty five almost half the country, for God's sakes, 1:17:10.800 --> 1:17:13.559 call themselves independents and let look where we are when 1:17:13.600 --> 1:17:16.880 it comes to the poop slinging on both sides. Gen 1:17:17.000 --> 1:17:20.840 z ors, though, in particular, declare their independency much higher 1:17:20.920 --> 1:17:23.200 rate fifty six percent than millennials did when they were 1:17:23.200 --> 1:17:25.519 that age of forty seven percent. What does that mean 1:17:25.600 --> 1:17:26.400 in the long term? 1:17:27.280 --> 1:17:30.720 Well, okay, so millennials to gen z You also got 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:33.240 to remember for millennials, for most of them, they were 1:17:33.240 --> 1:17:37.400 in college or high school when Obama came in. So 1:17:37.760 --> 1:17:40.479 like I would take that with a little grain of salt. 1:17:41.760 --> 1:17:45.719 A lot of gen Zers, you know, they so lean 1:17:46.439 --> 1:17:49.120 or considered themselves a Democrat when push comes the shelf. 1:17:49.200 --> 1:17:52.559 So out of the poll they did forty eight percent 1:17:52.600 --> 1:17:59.680 of them considered themselves a Democrat, considered them Republicans. And 1:17:59.720 --> 1:18:03.559 I say, it's just simply like you see the Bernie Sanders, 1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:08.320 the AOC, the Mindanni wing where frankly they didn't get 1:18:08.320 --> 1:18:12.080 a fair share from the Democratic Party. And I think 1:18:12.080 --> 1:18:14.240 that's why more and more people are just saying, you 1:18:14.240 --> 1:18:16.080 know what, I'm just going to be an independent. And 1:18:16.160 --> 1:18:20.759 on the Republican side, you know, they're that was Trump. 1:18:20.800 --> 1:18:22.400 I mean, Trump didn't feel like he was getting a 1:18:22.439 --> 1:18:25.519 fair shake. In twenty sixteen, which was a lifetime ago, 1:18:26.160 --> 1:18:29.720 but you know, he was an outsider running and I 1:18:29.800 --> 1:18:31.719 just think people are going. 1:18:31.680 --> 1:18:34.520 Oh, I was gonna say it is, So are Independence 1:18:34.520 --> 1:18:37.440 basically socialists and misplaced populous? 1:18:38.479 --> 1:18:38.679 Yes? 1:18:40.080 --> 1:18:43.080 I mean, you know, because like when you're running in 1:18:43.080 --> 1:18:47.639 an election, basically both ours and D's they have these 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:53.720 softwares and they're billion dollars softwares and they basically put 1:18:53.760 --> 1:18:58.759 algorithms and it's way above my pay grade. But there's 1:18:58.800 --> 1:19:02.480 like one hundred and third thirty sub sections and everything, 1:19:02.760 --> 1:19:07.120 and it'll give you a score. So let's say is 1:19:07.200 --> 1:19:11.320 zero is a conservative, one hundred is a Democrat. So 1:19:11.680 --> 1:19:15.439 it will say if I typed in Scott Sloan, let's 1:19:15.479 --> 1:19:20.439 say your score was twenty seven, that would mean that 1:19:20.800 --> 1:19:25.639 you have a high probability of voting Republican. So when 1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:30.679 you're running these elections, especially with Independence, you look at 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:36.160 the around ten percent of the independents who really swing 1:19:36.240 --> 1:19:38.360 the elections. Those are the people who you hear, you know, 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:46.559 they voted Trump, Biden, Trump, Obama, and that's and that's 1:19:46.560 --> 1:19:49.080 where elections are really one. They're one on the margins, 1:19:49.200 --> 1:19:51.840 and that's the margin. The eight to ten percent non 1:19:51.920 --> 1:19:53.040 leaning independence. 1:19:53.200 --> 1:19:55.840 You've got your twenty seven percent of hardcore conservatives twenty 1:19:55.880 --> 1:19:59.479 five percent of twenty seven percent hardcore progressives in order 1:19:59.520 --> 1:20:02.160 to tift is that that split you need to draw 1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:03.000 that ten percent? 1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:03.439 Got it? 1:20:05.040 --> 1:20:05.280 Yeah? 1:20:05.320 --> 1:20:08.160 Because out of out of the other thirty five, basically 1:20:08.160 --> 1:20:12.120 you can split that seventeen percent both ways, and they're 1:20:12.120 --> 1:20:14.599 gonna lean to the last, lean to the right. So 1:20:14.640 --> 1:20:18.240 it's all about about that ten percent number. Who really 1:20:18.280 --> 1:20:19.800 decide federal elections? 1:20:20.120 --> 1:20:22.519 Yeah, And I guess that ten percent is on the 1:20:22.520 --> 1:20:24.599 seesaw going Okay, well, who do I who? 1:20:25.000 --> 1:20:26.479 As opposed to who do I really like? 1:20:26.560 --> 1:20:26.680 Who? 1:20:26.840 --> 1:20:29.320 Who do who do I hate? Least it's the way 1:20:29.360 --> 1:20:31.120 we look at that, And I guess that ten percent. 1:20:31.640 --> 1:20:31.760 Uh? 1:20:32.040 --> 1:20:34.240 Is that why we will not see or do you 1:20:34.280 --> 1:20:36.479 think we'll never see another two term president again? 1:20:36.520 --> 1:20:37.040 For that reason? 1:20:40.400 --> 1:20:42.040 And I guess I mean, I mean, Konseck, you know, 1:20:42.080 --> 1:20:44.320 Trump's second term technically, but you know Biden was in 1:20:44.320 --> 1:20:46.800 the middle of that, So we just swing back and forth. 1:20:46.840 --> 1:20:47.280 Is that why? 1:20:48.320 --> 1:20:48.639 I mean? 1:20:48.680 --> 1:20:51.320 But also I would say both Trump and Biden are 1:20:51.400 --> 1:20:54.439 kind of outliers. I mean, Biden was going to be 1:20:54.520 --> 1:20:58.920 eighty three years old, and Trump's gonna be, you know, 1:20:59.000 --> 1:21:02.000 the same, and it was cod So I would say, 1:21:02.080 --> 1:21:07.280 let's see one more president before we make that claim, 1:21:07.320 --> 1:21:10.720 because both of them are kind of different from the majority. 1:21:11.800 --> 1:21:13.960 But yeah, it's very, very hard. If you look at 1:21:14.000 --> 1:21:18.479 presidential approvals really since the invention of cable news, but 1:21:18.600 --> 1:21:22.759 really social media, it's almost impossible to stay above fifty 1:21:22.760 --> 1:21:25.799 percent approval. So it's gonna make it harder and harder 1:21:26.439 --> 1:21:29.000 to govern, and just harder and harder to block out 1:21:29.000 --> 1:21:29.439 the noise. 1:21:29.640 --> 1:21:30.799 Yeah, okay, gotcha. 1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:33.680 So Trump's first term, we got the anti Trumpers going, hey, 1:21:33.680 --> 1:21:35.360 we need something, we're tired of this guy. 1:21:35.439 --> 1:21:36.320 We brought Biden in. 1:21:36.960 --> 1:21:38.840 Four years later, we got tired of Biden, we brought 1:21:38.880 --> 1:21:41.520 Trump back, and I'm guessing, you know, with the midterms 1:21:41.520 --> 1:21:44.280 and then three years from now, are we going to 1:21:44.320 --> 1:21:47.000 rebel against the Republicans and vote a Democrat in. 1:21:48.320 --> 1:21:50.360 Well, But that's also the great thing of those country. 1:21:50.439 --> 1:21:53.240 There's checks and balances. Yeah, I mean it is. You know, 1:21:53.400 --> 1:21:57.439 you might not like it, but that's that's how we've 1:21:57.479 --> 1:21:59.920 always been and hopefully that's how we always will be. 1:22:00.160 --> 1:22:03.120 You know, when one tide gets too strong, the people 1:22:03.160 --> 1:22:07.200 speak up right and vice versa. So if you ask 1:22:07.240 --> 1:22:09.760 me today, yes, the midterms would probably look really good 1:22:09.800 --> 1:22:11.760 for the Democrats as of today. 1:22:12.360 --> 1:22:14.120 And then we'll see what happened. I mean, again, this 1:22:14.200 --> 1:22:15.000 has been one year. 1:22:15.040 --> 1:22:17.320 I can't we have three more years, and it just 1:22:17.360 --> 1:22:20.600 seems like it's getting more and more viral, you know, 1:22:20.600 --> 1:22:22.639 in a sense that we're going at each other even harder, 1:22:22.640 --> 1:22:24.559 and every day feels like it's a year. As far 1:22:24.560 --> 1:22:27.280 as news goes, there's definitely been a change the last 1:22:27.320 --> 1:22:30.519 number of years relative to that. And Trump, of course, 1:22:30.600 --> 1:22:34.559 is a whirlwind of activities, always doing something. Certainly every 1:22:34.640 --> 1:22:36.799 day there's something new, for sure, and either you're excited 1:22:36.800 --> 1:22:39.240 by that or turned off by it, but everyone definitely 1:22:39.280 --> 1:22:41.200 has an opinion on it. I look at the general 1:22:41.320 --> 1:22:45.560 racial breakdowns. Gen Zer fifty six percent identifies independence, Millennials 1:22:45.600 --> 1:22:50.479 a majority Gen X my generation forty plus percent identifies independence. 1:22:50.520 --> 1:22:52.479 When you get downe to the Baby Boomers silent generation, 1:22:52.560 --> 1:22:56.160 it's right around thirty three percent. How much does that change? 1:22:56.160 --> 1:22:58.280 It just seems like the older you get, the more 1:22:59.520 --> 1:23:02.800 accepting you become of a party. And maybe you know 1:23:02.880 --> 1:23:05.880 what this whole identity politic thing where people will not 1:23:06.000 --> 1:23:09.600 question the person they voted for even if it's a contradiction, 1:23:09.680 --> 1:23:13.080 they won't point that out. In many ways, that seems 1:23:13.160 --> 1:23:14.720 the case just as the older you get, the more 1:23:14.760 --> 1:23:16.240 sent in the ways you are and you want to 1:23:16.280 --> 1:23:18.120 be part of that community. And does that change with 1:23:18.200 --> 1:23:21.480 future generations where their identity isn't politics. 1:23:22.080 --> 1:23:23.800 Well, but you also got to remember, if you're a 1:23:23.840 --> 1:23:27.519 baby boomer or definitely a silent generation, you really grew 1:23:27.600 --> 1:23:29.960 up in a whole different world. You didn't have twenty 1:23:29.960 --> 1:23:33.200 four to seven news for the longest time, the Internet 1:23:33.400 --> 1:23:36.479 you didn't really have, and definitely non social media. So 1:23:36.800 --> 1:23:39.720 I think, you know, social media in the twenty four 1:23:39.760 --> 1:23:46.520 hour news has just changed everything. It's made politics a constant, 1:23:47.479 --> 1:23:53.120 you know, I think going forward. I mean, so when 1:23:53.160 --> 1:23:59.040 you're running an election, generally speaking, I always tell people 1:23:59.160 --> 1:24:02.120 to kind of block out people sixty and above if 1:24:02.120 --> 1:24:05.439 they're an independent or a Democrat or a Republican, because 1:24:05.520 --> 1:24:08.720 their minds are already made up. If you've voted eight 1:24:08.840 --> 1:24:13.840 straight elections for one party, it's gonna be really really 1:24:13.920 --> 1:24:17.120 hard to try to convince you to switch because you're 1:24:17.200 --> 1:24:19.400 kind of set in your way. Yeah, I mean, you know, 1:24:19.680 --> 1:24:23.120 we can't teach an old dog new trick. Sorry, Well people, 1:24:25.840 --> 1:24:27.680 well you look at brand loyalty. I mean, you know 1:24:27.760 --> 1:24:30.880 that that has died. That died some time ago too. 1:24:30.880 --> 1:24:32.720 With younger generations, you know, used to be like, I'm 1:24:32.720 --> 1:24:35.760 a tied man, I'm a Republican man, I'm a you 1:24:35.760 --> 1:24:36.559 know whatever it might be. 1:24:37.360 --> 1:24:38.400 Younger people don't have those. 1:24:38.320 --> 1:24:42.280 Loyalties unless it's say an iPhone. That's about it. 1:24:42.439 --> 1:24:43.400 That's true. That's true. 1:24:43.439 --> 1:24:45.719 Well, you know, and that's more of a cost issue 1:24:45.720 --> 1:24:48.120 than anything, because you know, if you decide I'm going Android, 1:24:48.760 --> 1:24:51.920 your tablet, your laptop, your desktop, your handheld, your mobile, 1:24:51.960 --> 1:24:54.200 all that stuff is now you got to swap it 1:24:54.240 --> 1:24:57.240 all up. He's Kevin Burton Polster of Northern Kentucky here, 1:24:57.760 --> 1:25:00.000 and we're talking about a new study that came out 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:00.599 from Gallup. 1:25:00.640 --> 1:25:01.479 They do this every year. 1:25:01.840 --> 1:25:05.040 A record high forty five percent of US adults identify 1:25:05.120 --> 1:25:08.920 as political independence. In the past year, twenty seven percent 1:25:08.960 --> 1:25:13.240 each NFL themselves as Democrats or Republicans. And that that 1:25:13.320 --> 1:25:16.800 middle part, that independent part, becomes critical in elections, he said, 1:25:16.840 --> 1:25:19.800 about ten percent ten percent will decide the election either way, 1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:22.280 which is why we go back and forth the days 1:25:22.320 --> 1:25:25.680 of FDR where we have multiple terms. Feel like that is, 1:25:26.120 --> 1:25:29.120 it's definitely in the past unless something else changes too. 1:25:29.640 --> 1:25:32.400 Taking into account America's party identification, as I match out 1:25:32.439 --> 1:25:35.920 the twenty seven percent forty seven percent identified as Democrats 1:25:36.080 --> 1:25:38.280 or said they're a independent, it's forty two percent with 1:25:38.320 --> 1:25:40.880 the Republicans. That's a three years I think that broke 1:25:40.880 --> 1:25:44.960 a three year stretch in which Republicans held an edge 1:25:45.000 --> 1:25:48.360 in party affiliation. Is that something that also changes or 1:25:49.320 --> 1:25:51.920 is the Republican party in decline and once the Democrats 1:25:51.960 --> 1:25:55.120 take power at some point that just swings the other way. 1:25:56.040 --> 1:25:58.760 I mean, it's I mean, the Republicans are in charge now, 1:25:58.800 --> 1:26:03.360 and that's why, you know, I mean, people always it's 1:26:03.360 --> 1:26:07.519 the backup quarterback syndrome. You know, if things aren't going well, 1:26:07.520 --> 1:26:10.360 you're always yearning for the backup quarterback. And then once 1:26:10.400 --> 1:26:12.920 the backup quarterback comes in, you're like, well, there's a 1:26:13.000 --> 1:26:17.479 reason why I didn't want him in the first place. So, 1:26:17.640 --> 1:26:20.679 I mean, that's just a give and take of you know, leading, 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:26.240 it's so impossible now to actually get above fifty percent 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:32.240 in party registration or approval. You know, you go back 1:26:32.240 --> 1:26:34.920 to George W. Bush right after nine to eleven, he 1:26:34.960 --> 1:26:40.080 had an eighty seven percent approval rating. That's on I 1:26:40.080 --> 1:26:41.679 can't even press about that now. 1:26:41.960 --> 1:26:45.080 Yeah, yeah, and that was probably at the time, and 1:26:45.160 --> 1:26:48.719 oh my god, you know, because Lincoln had a probably 1:26:48.720 --> 1:26:51.200 a bad example of Washington, for example, had a ninety 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:55.360 nine percent. Yeah, and no, that makes sense too, because 1:26:55.360 --> 1:26:59.280 as divided as we are, the conservative ideology advantage is 1:26:59.280 --> 1:27:02.120 shrunk to just say points, that's the smallest ever. And 1:27:02.160 --> 1:27:04.639 again I think that's just indicates what you're talking about here. 1:27:04.680 --> 1:27:06.040 And I don't know. 1:27:05.960 --> 1:27:08.360 If that I think it could be though, that Trump 1:27:08.400 --> 1:27:10.600 is redefining what conservative means. I'm not even sure what 1:27:10.640 --> 1:27:11.719 conservative means anymore. 1:27:12.920 --> 1:27:15.400 Well, I mean, you know it doesn't mean the small 1:27:15.520 --> 1:27:21.200 governor no small government, because exactly so. But you know, 1:27:21.439 --> 1:27:25.840 Democrats have really had to come to Jesus meeting kind 1:27:25.840 --> 1:27:28.719 of this last year. You know, it was a really 1:27:28.720 --> 1:27:32.160 bad messaging point for you saying, you know, Trump is 1:27:32.200 --> 1:27:35.880 a threat of democracy when you didn't even have a primary. 1:27:36.160 --> 1:27:40.840 And I think that's the number one reason why Trump won, 1:27:41.040 --> 1:27:43.439 because you took away they're not the number one thing 1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:49.400 to use against him when you didn't allow an open primary. 1:27:49.479 --> 1:27:52.280 Yeah, where does social media go from here? In the 1:27:52.320 --> 1:27:56.680 digital Agency mentioned information fragmentation, declining trust, and institutions like 1:27:56.760 --> 1:28:00.920 journalism that will also fuel the end identification. 1:28:02.160 --> 1:28:04.599 Well, I mean that's the I think irony is that 1:28:04.800 --> 1:28:08.439 as we've gotten more educated, we're actually headed more towards 1:28:08.479 --> 1:28:13.120 like another dark age, you know. I also do think 1:28:13.120 --> 1:28:17.000 there's a little bit of kind of a pushback, especially 1:28:17.040 --> 1:28:21.479 with millennials and gen Z. I don't really see a 1:28:21.520 --> 1:28:25.320 lot of millennials on Facebook anymore, right, I feel like 1:28:25.560 --> 1:28:31.080 that time kind of passed for them, you know, in 1:28:31.120 --> 1:28:33.559 a lot of ways. I wonder in you know, fifteen 1:28:33.640 --> 1:28:36.880 twenty years, when we look at the effects of social media, 1:28:37.000 --> 1:28:39.879 how people looked at the cigarette companies in the nineties 1:28:40.000 --> 1:28:42.839 or the early two thousands, the effects that it's done. 1:28:42.880 --> 1:28:45.800 Right, it's just so the the polars and camps even more, 1:28:46.040 --> 1:28:48.519 you know, it's declining to some degree. 1:28:48.680 --> 1:28:48.840 Yeah. 1:28:49.000 --> 1:28:52.720 As an aside here, I have a family members they 1:28:52.760 --> 1:28:56.519 moved recently, and one of their neighbors and the first 1:28:56.600 --> 1:28:58.799 question of their mouse was are you Republican? Because everybody 1:28:58.840 --> 1:29:02.439 on the streets Republican. And he used to be like, oh, 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:04.920 we're Catholic? Are you Catholic? You know, where did you 1:29:04.960 --> 1:29:05.679 go to high school? 1:29:05.720 --> 1:29:05.960 Things? 1:29:06.000 --> 1:29:08.040 Like that, and now it's it's probably been that way 1:29:08.080 --> 1:29:11.320 for a while, but I think that's kind of interesting, 1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:13.920 Like that's that's the whole identity, right, is I'm a 1:29:13.960 --> 1:29:16.559 Republican or I'm I'm a progressive whatever. It might be 1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:19.160 more Republicans than progressives here in Cincinnati, but you get 1:29:19.160 --> 1:29:19.559 the idea. 1:29:20.600 --> 1:29:23.840 Well, and you even see that now people will be like, well, 1:29:23.920 --> 1:29:26.720 I don't want to watch this actor or listen to 1:29:26.720 --> 1:29:30.920 this thing. It's like, as long as they're doing to 1:29:30.920 --> 1:29:33.599 commit a crime, like r Kelly or P Diddy, Like 1:29:33.680 --> 1:29:36.360 I think, I think you're all right. You can disagree 1:29:36.360 --> 1:29:38.120 with him, but if they still make good art, like 1:29:38.280 --> 1:29:39.000 just go with it. 1:29:39.320 --> 1:29:39.519 Yeah. 1:29:39.640 --> 1:29:42.120 Yeah, Well like back when Senator John Kerry right and 1:29:42.200 --> 1:29:44.920 Teresa Hines Kerry and people were boycotting Heinz ketchup on 1:29:45.000 --> 1:29:47.280 my look. Yeah, I don't go to the politics, but 1:29:48.960 --> 1:29:50.679 the only ketchup in the world is Heines ketchup. 1:29:50.720 --> 1:29:54.760 I'm sorry, There's a lot I would put up before 1:29:54.960 --> 1:29:56.160 boycott Heinz ketchup. 1:29:56.479 --> 1:29:56.559 Uh. 1:29:56.680 --> 1:30:00.000 He is a Kevin Burton Polster advisor with Crosstown Consultant 1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:01.439 in Northern Kentucky. 1:30:01.479 --> 1:30:04.080 All the best thanks to the Inside appreciate you, thank you. 1:30:04.080 --> 1:30:04.439 Scott. 1:30:04.720 --> 1:30:07.160 Just ahead after a news update, Sarah, Lisa's here from 1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:09.599 the end. It's a snort report. We'll get some sports, 1:30:09.640 --> 1:30:12.280 We'll get some snorts, We'll get some social media. I'd 1:30:12.320 --> 1:30:15.800 imagine some Bengals talk, maybe some Reds talk, some Miami talk. 1:30:16.000 --> 1:30:17.160 Not a lot of uc an ex. 1:30:17.040 --> 1:30:18.920 At this point. Let's just call it what it is. 1:30:19.080 --> 1:30:27.400 Scott's loan show continues on seven hundred W World. 1:30:32.280 --> 1:30:34.000 That's right, what. 1:30:38.520 --> 1:30:38.840 Okay? 1:30:39.040 --> 1:30:43.240 Snort faces here, Sarah les from Sports of all snorts? 1:30:43.960 --> 1:30:45.639 How's your wife be doing? She did good? 1:30:45.680 --> 1:30:47.559 She got a Brandon knee, got another knee? 1:30:47.760 --> 1:30:48.320 Another one? 1:30:48.800 --> 1:30:49.920 Third one? 1:30:51.120 --> 1:30:52.000 Is it really a third? 1:30:52.280 --> 1:30:52.479 Wow? 1:30:53.680 --> 1:30:54.880 Like did the first not take? 1:30:55.000 --> 1:30:55.040 Or? 1:30:55.080 --> 1:30:55.840 What's going on here? 1:30:55.960 --> 1:30:56.280 Sunday? 1:30:56.400 --> 1:30:58.759 I picked to the family because you know, in rural Ohio, 1:30:58.800 --> 1:31:00.120 because they need update on the knee. 1:31:00.120 --> 1:31:02.280 I sent her a picture. I said, hed a, I 1:31:02.360 --> 1:31:03.880 make at a third leg? 1:31:04.080 --> 1:31:06.400 Oh no idea? 1:31:06.439 --> 1:31:07.160 What was going on? 1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:09.280 So I don't know what happened. 1:31:09.400 --> 1:31:11.240 We brought her in and like they put a third 1:31:11.280 --> 1:31:11.760 leg on her. 1:31:12.000 --> 1:31:12.360 Woa. 1:31:12.560 --> 1:31:13.719 The old people, they. 1:31:13.640 --> 1:31:15.920 Fall for the AI stuff all the time. 1:31:16.240 --> 1:31:16.639 Good. 1:31:17.120 --> 1:31:19.960 If I send that to my mom, I know your 1:31:20.000 --> 1:31:24.240 minds mind the other knee back at Christmas, ready to go, 1:31:24.680 --> 1:31:29.000 starting deer off hot with another one. 1:31:29.240 --> 1:31:30.960 I saw the pup was taking care of her. I'm 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:33.479 at least somebody in that household is doing something. 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:36.000 Yeah, he's not happy to sitch because coming into work, 1:31:36.120 --> 1:31:39.120 I got like five twenty five, I got the least 1:31:39.120 --> 1:31:41.360 the collar on him. He was buried under the blankets. 1:31:41.760 --> 1:31:44.160 Refuse to move, like I get my ass up to 1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:45.799 go pee. It's cold and raining outside. 1:31:45.920 --> 1:31:48.639 Yeah, my dog is the same. They make the best nurses, though, 1:31:48.680 --> 1:31:49.240 Oh my god. 1:31:49.360 --> 1:31:53.200 Just trying to crawlerneath Michelle to in order to. 1:31:54.840 --> 1:31:57.639 Nothing makes you feel better than the comfort of a dog. 1:31:57.760 --> 1:32:01.960 And knowing that the Miami RedHawks are still undefeated, got 1:32:02.000 --> 1:32:02.720 it done last night. 1:32:02.760 --> 1:32:03.439 One hundred to. 1:32:03.479 --> 1:32:07.519 Sixty one was their final against Central Michigan. That's how 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:09.759 we are opening up the Snort report today. 1:32:09.840 --> 1:32:12.559 You know, with that transition from knees to I'm surprised 1:32:12.600 --> 1:32:14.639 you may need surgery. I think you pulled something with 1:32:14.680 --> 1:32:18.519 that stretch. Wow, we just turned like that. I did, 1:32:18.600 --> 1:32:19.559 so your give up. 1:32:19.800 --> 1:32:22.080 Yeah, they're about to give out any moment, because this 1:32:22.240 --> 1:32:24.280 is crazy. It really will bring you to your knees. 1:32:24.600 --> 1:32:26.040 Knowing that there are four. 1:32:25.880 --> 1:32:29.000 Teams that remain in college basketball that are undefeated, of 1:32:29.040 --> 1:32:33.960 course Miami being one of them, Arizona, Vanderbilt, and Nebraska. 1:32:34.400 --> 1:32:36.080 Little Miami. They're in Oxford O. 1:32:36.120 --> 1:32:37.679 High Little Miami. That's different. 1:32:39.600 --> 1:32:41.280 But yeah, they had the whole swim team out there 1:32:41.360 --> 1:32:43.479 last night and their speedos showing up. 1:32:44.520 --> 1:32:46.840 I love how you tried Little Miami, little swim team. 1:32:46.880 --> 1:32:49.880 Little And when is the last time And we've been 1:32:49.920 --> 1:32:51.960 doing a snort report for a while. Yeah, the last 1:32:51.960 --> 1:32:56.160 time you led with Miami University Athletics last week. 1:32:57.000 --> 1:32:58.280 So we're two weeks in a row. 1:32:58.200 --> 1:32:58.719 With the leading. 1:32:59.520 --> 1:33:02.600 I'm talking about going back. Let's go back two months. 1:33:02.200 --> 1:33:02.559 Not ever. 1:33:02.680 --> 1:33:05.599 It's usually Reds or Bengals. Reds are Bengals, but now 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:06.480 it's Miami. 1:33:06.680 --> 1:33:09.360 If the wheel's taking off, Miami, what's next? Oh you, 1:33:09.600 --> 1:33:10.840 what are we going to do? 1:33:10.320 --> 1:33:11.800 You got problems? 1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:14.280 Bowling green? Where are we going? Where are we going? Here? 1:33:14.320 --> 1:33:15.400 Where we go? And what are we doing? 1:33:15.479 --> 1:33:16.439 This is exciting though. 1:33:16.479 --> 1:33:20.360 That's twenty five consecutive home wins for those guys. 1:33:20.400 --> 1:33:23.240 We're such a homer you maybe worse than seg They. 1:33:23.160 --> 1:33:24.120 Are my Alma maters. 1:33:24.200 --> 1:33:26.439 So that's why it means even more to me though, 1:33:26.479 --> 1:33:29.800 this is very exciting, all right, yeah, but I was 1:33:29.840 --> 1:33:33.400 there a very very very long time ago. We had hockey. 1:33:33.640 --> 1:33:37.200 That was always the big thing at Miami. Now basketball 1:33:37.240 --> 1:33:38.160 completely taken over. 1:33:38.280 --> 1:33:40.800 Oh yeah, because the hockey team has stuck for a while. So, 1:33:40.840 --> 1:33:43.280 I mean, they have flirts with it, but not nothing. 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:44.960 Like nothing like what we're seeing right now. 1:33:46.080 --> 1:33:46.200 You know. 1:33:46.320 --> 1:33:49.559 I'm that though too is the fact that Travis Steel 1:33:49.600 --> 1:33:51.360 when are they gonna? When's you seekn announced? He's the 1:33:51.360 --> 1:33:51.960 next head coach? 1:33:52.680 --> 1:33:54.880 Right? It like did we make a mistake with Wes? 1:33:55.520 --> 1:33:58.599 And speaking of you see basketball there back tonight seven 1:33:58.640 --> 1:34:02.800 o'clock tip off against Colorado and what's trending on social 1:34:02.880 --> 1:34:07.559 media this morning paper bags? Will people be wearing those 1:34:07.720 --> 1:34:11.320 two the game tonight? My vote is, please don't do that. 1:34:11.560 --> 1:34:13.360 I know that we hate Wes Miller, A lot of 1:34:13.360 --> 1:34:15.960 people do. Right now, you're mad, but don't do it 1:34:16.000 --> 1:34:16.519 to the player. 1:34:17.080 --> 1:34:19.000 I don't think they deserve that, to look around in 1:34:19.040 --> 1:34:20.920 the stands and see all the fans out there with 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:21.519 the bags. 1:34:21.600 --> 1:34:25.400 No, okay, hold on, just a second, stop with the sanctimony. 1:34:25.960 --> 1:34:28.480 I mean it though, all right, they're grown as teenagers. 1:34:28.560 --> 1:34:29.160 I get that. 1:34:29.320 --> 1:34:34.479 They're still like, okay, but are you a kid when 1:34:34.520 --> 1:34:35.920 you're getting an ile money? 1:34:36.520 --> 1:34:40.679 You kids are getting an i ole money, right, Yeah, you're. 1:34:40.600 --> 1:34:41.160 Still a kid. 1:34:41.240 --> 1:34:43.280 If you're buying a ticket, you get criticism. 1:34:43.479 --> 1:34:46.360 If you can be celebrating, you can agree to disagree 1:34:46.400 --> 1:34:49.320 on you you can do all that, okay, and be supportive. 1:34:49.360 --> 1:34:51.040 It's like, oh, you guys are doing this is awesome, 1:34:51.360 --> 1:34:53.439 you know, and and be celebrities and on all that 1:34:53.439 --> 1:34:54.120 that goes with it. 1:34:54.160 --> 1:34:54.719 When you suck. 1:34:54.960 --> 1:34:57.160 If that's why you want to spend your time tonight 1:34:57.200 --> 1:34:59.719 at Fifth Third Arena for two hours with a bag 1:34:59.720 --> 1:35:02.040 over your head, than so be it. 1:35:02.200 --> 1:35:04.160 We're really good at recycling because the same bag you 1:35:04.200 --> 1:35:05.519 use for the Bengals, you can, I use you. 1:35:05.960 --> 1:35:09.559 It's great a recycling. Yeah, very good. 1:35:09.880 --> 1:35:13.160 You'll be just fine. What that arena is going to 1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:14.280 look like tonight. 1:35:14.160 --> 1:35:17.240 And they're the players they protesting, you know, I think 1:35:17.240 --> 1:35:18.320 it's more of West Miller. 1:35:18.320 --> 1:35:20.519 Okay, then just say that when he. 1:35:20.439 --> 1:35:22.320 Gets his intro tonight. I don't know what else to 1:35:22.320 --> 1:35:24.320 tell you. Let you bring paper bags in, by the way, 1:35:24.400 --> 1:35:27.120 That's what I'm hearing. How come in the NFL you can? 1:35:27.880 --> 1:35:30.840 But you can now is it a college rule or 1:35:30.920 --> 1:35:33.559 is it a UC rule? I don't know, or is 1:35:33.600 --> 1:35:36.519 it this specific arena rule. 1:35:36.840 --> 1:35:38.320 How are they going to shake you down for a 1:35:38.320 --> 1:35:39.559 paper bag? By the way, they. 1:35:39.479 --> 1:35:41.519 Can't because you could easily put that down your pants. 1:35:42.280 --> 1:35:44.599 You could easily that's a cut you. 1:35:44.520 --> 1:35:50.400 Could easily get report. You could easily get a bag 1:35:50.400 --> 1:35:52.000 into that arena, no problem. 1:35:52.640 --> 1:35:54.400 It's a paper bag you fuld up put in your pocket, 1:35:54.560 --> 1:35:57.000 exact metal. What are they going to do the whole 1:35:57.000 --> 1:35:59.280 section for everybody out? 1:35:59.360 --> 1:36:01.080 I think they're kind of putting that out there as 1:36:01.160 --> 1:36:03.120 a warning, like, we don't want to see this. 1:36:03.240 --> 1:36:04.479 We don't want to look around and see a bunch 1:36:04.479 --> 1:36:05.040 of paper bags. 1:36:05.120 --> 1:36:06.040 What are they What are they going to do? 1:36:06.320 --> 1:36:07.559 Every probably going to kick you out. 1:36:07.600 --> 1:36:09.639 Some surge of the fans have bags on their heads. 1:36:09.720 --> 1:36:11.639 They're either going to give you a warning or kick 1:36:11.680 --> 1:36:11.960 you out. 1:36:12.040 --> 1:36:13.920 I'm guessing, what is this a ran that they're going 1:36:13.960 --> 1:36:14.519 to round you up? 1:36:14.520 --> 1:36:18.479 What do they know? It's Clifton For God's Oh, that 1:36:18.560 --> 1:36:20.360 was a dig. I'm sorry. 1:36:22.120 --> 1:36:23.040 Coming hot damn. 1:36:24.040 --> 1:36:27.679 Speaking of you see the Miami Redhogs throwing some heat 1:36:27.720 --> 1:36:31.360 around on on Twitter yesterday? They said yeah, they said, uh, no, 1:36:31.600 --> 1:36:33.200 paper bags needed over here. 1:36:34.240 --> 1:36:35.559 Just good hoops. 1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:39.920 They are chirpy on social media, so that's been trending 1:36:39.920 --> 1:36:40.120 in it. 1:36:40.200 --> 1:36:41.519 They also tweeted this out. 1:36:41.560 --> 1:36:44.040 They said, if you can show that you're a season 1:36:44.120 --> 1:36:48.040 ticket holder for any other college basketball team in southwest Ohio, 1:36:48.400 --> 1:36:50.360 your ticket to see a game here at Malett is 1:36:50.400 --> 1:36:51.360 only ten bucks. 1:36:51.439 --> 1:36:54.240 Unbelievable there. 1:36:58.120 --> 1:37:03.360 For free lun you tomorrow time. Tom's hanging around for 1:37:03.360 --> 1:37:06.040 the yes, So what are you doing here? Turn out 1:37:06.080 --> 1:37:08.080 of the second mic on there? Paper bag or no 1:37:08.160 --> 1:37:08.679 paper bag? 1:37:08.680 --> 1:37:09.080 That you say? 1:37:09.200 --> 1:37:11.120 I said, I say no paper bag. 1:37:11.320 --> 1:37:15.360 She says it may hurt the players feelings. I say, money, 1:37:15.479 --> 1:37:16.640 you suck. You deserve that. 1:37:16.880 --> 1:37:17.040 Tom. 1:37:17.080 --> 1:37:17.840 What's your take on this? 1:37:19.600 --> 1:37:22.240 Hey, people want to wear that paper bag? Let her rip. 1:37:22.280 --> 1:37:25.519 That's nice exactly. You're buying a ticket and I don't 1:37:25.520 --> 1:37:28.600 think they're unhappy. Do you with the playoffs themselves? 1:37:29.200 --> 1:37:30.360 What the West Miller thing? 1:37:30.479 --> 1:37:30.679 Yeah? 1:37:32.320 --> 1:37:34.680 Yeah, absolutely, yeah, So I think it's more that. 1:37:34.720 --> 1:37:38.000 But I do understand your point about the players could 1:37:38.040 --> 1:37:41.519 take it as as though you're you know, you know, 1:37:41.600 --> 1:37:44.360 ashamed of them. I would like to think that's not 1:37:44.400 --> 1:37:46.600 the case, but I don't know. I'm not bringing the. 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:49.960 Games, you're playing Division one sports, you should be able 1:37:50.000 --> 1:37:51.000 to tolerate a little hackling. 1:37:51.160 --> 1:37:53.320 Well, I'm with you all the way. You didn't used 1:37:53.320 --> 1:37:54.800 to be that way, but it is now. 1:37:54.840 --> 1:37:57.240 It is now. What the money got involved that goes 1:37:57.240 --> 1:37:58.559 with it exactly what I say? 1:37:58.680 --> 1:37:59.080 That's right? 1:37:59.200 --> 1:38:04.479 All right, there you go, Tom, what's on tomorrow show? 1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:07.720 It's twelve o'clock here? What do you got tomorrow? What 1:38:07.720 --> 1:38:09.720 are you doing for us tomorrow? At Gary Sullivan on? 1:38:09.880 --> 1:38:11.880 And then we have Hey Michelle to tell the things 1:38:11.920 --> 1:38:13.040 going on over the weekend. 1:38:13.800 --> 1:38:17.120 Is buying a faux fur jacket. That girl can talk 1:38:17.160 --> 1:38:18.200 you into doing anything. 1:38:18.320 --> 1:38:20.160 That jacket looked good. I saw that picture. 1:38:20.280 --> 1:38:21.200 Thank you, thank you. 1:38:21.280 --> 1:38:23.800 Yeah, you're gonna wear that to crown the king over 1:38:23.840 --> 1:38:25.040 here coming up and oh. 1:38:25.000 --> 1:38:28.040 God, no, we're taking no. 1:38:27.560 --> 1:38:31.759 I I got to teach Tom about throwing the bread. 1:38:31.800 --> 1:38:35.479 The Closterman rolls at Sloaney's head said that we were 1:38:35.479 --> 1:38:38.320 gonna have a little meeting before this event, so I 1:38:38.320 --> 1:38:40.599 gotta I gotta let him in on the whole bread thing. 1:38:40.720 --> 1:38:42.360 Okay, you know I used to date one of the 1:38:42.400 --> 1:38:48.200 Clostermen girls. Their their family ranch, if you will, they 1:38:48.200 --> 1:38:51.160 have this big horse ranch up in Loveland, yeah, and 1:38:51.200 --> 1:38:53.840 I know if you've ever seen the article Sloaney, you 1:38:53.880 --> 1:38:56.719 get into an elevator shaft build on a former mind shaft, 1:38:57.160 --> 1:38:59.080 drop one hundred feet down on the ground. 1:38:59.240 --> 1:39:00.960 Oh no, you open the door. 1:39:01.080 --> 1:39:04.640 Yes, it was over I think it was four or 1:39:04.800 --> 1:39:11.599 five thousand square feet of the largest artifact of magical 1:39:11.720 --> 1:39:13.759 artifact collection in the world. 1:39:14.479 --> 1:39:15.519 Stage down there. 1:39:16.800 --> 1:39:18.120 All the guys used to come in there and hang 1:39:18.160 --> 1:39:20.680 out with Kenklosterman, God rest his soul. He was a 1:39:20.680 --> 1:39:23.840 great dude. That's wild. Yeah, And Smithsonian Magazine did a 1:39:23.840 --> 1:39:24.759 big peace on it. 1:39:24.760 --> 1:39:25.679 It's pretty cool. Wow. 1:39:25.720 --> 1:39:28.639 So you went down an elevator shaft to see magic, Well, 1:39:28.800 --> 1:39:30.320 they had stage down there everything. 1:39:30.400 --> 1:39:32.360 Yes, so he'd pull out some tricks to there. I mean, 1:39:32.439 --> 1:39:33.360 David Copperfield. 1:39:33.360 --> 1:39:34.400 All these guys would. 1:39:34.160 --> 1:39:36.920 Come in from around the world hang out board up 1:39:36.920 --> 1:39:39.600 in that basing like hang out with She must have 1:39:39.680 --> 1:39:42.800 been smoking hot Tom. 1:39:43.840 --> 1:39:44.920 Because you put the work in. 1:39:45.520 --> 1:39:48.120 I mean that is some serious where you're risking your life. 1:39:48.760 --> 1:39:50.120 I will bid you all adu. 1:39:51.520 --> 1:39:55.080 Yeah, get out of here because time just made time disappear. 1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:58.160 Yeah, that's right, or my wife's about to I get home. 1:39:58.560 --> 1:39:59.760 I love it. I love it. 1:40:00.160 --> 1:40:01.320 We do have a couch here at iHeart. 1:40:01.360 --> 1:40:03.519 If you need to say you got the job, you 1:40:03.560 --> 1:40:04.840 don't have to keep kissing butts. 1:40:04.840 --> 1:40:07.840 So we could just go home, would you. 1:40:07.320 --> 1:40:09.880 Like, oh, god, don't know. 1:40:10.000 --> 1:40:15.400 They compare Tom and SEG's okay, do we want to 1:40:15.439 --> 1:40:18.599 go to Bengals or Ruds because we've got different things trending. 1:40:19.680 --> 1:40:22.120 Let's quickly go to Bengals. Zach Taylor is the only 1:40:22.160 --> 1:40:25.960 coach left in the AFC North Tomlin quote unquote stepping down. 1:40:26.000 --> 1:40:28.680 I don't know if he was like threatened, Hey, you 1:40:28.720 --> 1:40:29.880 might want to get out of here. 1:40:30.680 --> 1:40:32.519 But I think he's not going to stick with coaching. 1:40:32.560 --> 1:40:34.719 I think he might go into the broadcast side of things. 1:40:34.760 --> 1:40:35.880 Really, I think so. 1:40:36.080 --> 1:40:38.720 I think that's the rumor on social I wouldn't mind 1:40:38.760 --> 1:40:40.840 Tom winning a booth enter. 1:40:41.840 --> 1:40:42.719 Just like Tom Brady. 1:40:42.720 --> 1:40:44.800 It was a little bit of a rough start, but 1:40:44.840 --> 1:40:46.280 now I really enjoyed. 1:40:47.280 --> 1:40:48.479 Who's going to get forced out? 1:40:48.880 --> 1:40:49.839 That's a great question. 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:53.479 Is there a spot? Are there more spots for coaching 1:40:53.560 --> 1:40:54.280 or for broadcast? 1:40:54.560 --> 1:40:54.840 Tired? 1:40:55.000 --> 1:40:57.480 It's been tired for a long time. Yeah, Terry Bradshaw, 1:40:57.760 --> 1:40:58.240 you think so? 1:41:00.600 --> 1:41:03.360 I saw what's his face is coming back? He's like eighty. 1:41:03.120 --> 1:41:07.599 Five of course, so who No, he's. 1:41:07.439 --> 1:41:11.280 Done, he's done with college game day ow our guy, 1:41:11.320 --> 1:41:13.760 ol Michael Michaels, Yeah, yah, yeah, yeah, he's back. He's 1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:15.400 all right, he's not going anywhere. I do like, oh 1:41:15.479 --> 1:41:18.080 my god, I respect it. So we're gonna run it 1:41:18.120 --> 1:41:22.000 back with Zach Taylor in the AFC North. Okay, And 1:41:22.040 --> 1:41:23.720 who knows where all the other coaches could go. 1:41:24.000 --> 1:41:26.080 I pointed this out earlier in the show, Sarah. 1:41:25.800 --> 1:41:27.040 Where do you think Tomlin will go? 1:41:28.200 --> 1:41:28.880 I have no idea. 1:41:29.080 --> 1:41:31.880 Maybe the booth a coach, So he's not gonna stick 1:41:31.920 --> 1:41:32.240 with coach. 1:41:32.280 --> 1:41:35.200 I don't think what about guys like Stefanski and John Harbaugh, 1:41:35.360 --> 1:41:37.719 the rest of the guys in the AFC North, they're 1:41:37.760 --> 1:41:40.920 interviewing everywhere. I mean, there's like nine coaches out there 1:41:40.920 --> 1:41:42.320 that would have been interviewing. 1:41:41.920 --> 1:41:42.679 All over the least. 1:41:42.840 --> 1:41:46.000 Zac Tayler safe, right, he is absolutely safe. 1:41:46.680 --> 1:41:48.240 You know, six and eleven, we're like, we're going to 1:41:48.320 --> 1:41:49.200 extend your contract. 1:41:49.760 --> 1:41:51.680 And I was here because I was off. But Duke 1:41:51.760 --> 1:41:55.439 Tobin's UH on Friday, yes. 1:41:55.880 --> 1:41:58.160 Sixty three minutes of not a whole lot. 1:41:58.600 --> 1:42:01.040 The question is how can Duke Tobe and speak uh 1:42:01.240 --> 1:42:03.200 and say everything's fine with the team other do anything? 1:42:03.240 --> 1:42:03.799 Do you know why. 1:42:05.439 --> 1:42:08.320 Season tickets Bengals attendants, by the way, fell by about 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:09.639 thirteen hundred per game. 1:42:10.479 --> 1:42:12.639 I thought it was the highest attendant in a while. 1:42:12.560 --> 1:42:17.120 Which is the most behind Tennessee. What happened with their coach? 1:42:17.200 --> 1:42:17.639 The Jets? 1:42:17.680 --> 1:42:18.799 What happened there in the Browns? 1:42:18.840 --> 1:42:20.360 What happened the ah gone Gone gone? 1:42:20.760 --> 1:42:23.960 Two percent decline in attendance is not enough for this team. 1:42:24.080 --> 1:42:25.680 And I don't know what the number was. 1:42:25.800 --> 1:42:27.120 It is going to interesting. 1:42:27.160 --> 1:42:28.720 People don't show up the games, I'm saying at all, 1:42:28.720 --> 1:42:31.120 but it is clearly two percent to them is like, eh, 1:42:31.720 --> 1:42:34.360 it's a rounding year. We're not forced to change because 1:42:34.400 --> 1:42:35.439 people keep supporting us. 1:42:35.439 --> 1:42:36.680 We're fine with average. 1:42:36.760 --> 1:42:38.560 It's true of any product in or line care for 1:42:38.560 --> 1:42:41.559 it's football, baseball, I don't care if it's if it's 1:42:41.680 --> 1:42:46.160 you know, whatever it is. Yeah, and so it is, 1:42:46.200 --> 1:42:47.799 keep supporting it. There's no impetus. 1:42:49.200 --> 1:42:49.439 Yeah. 1:42:49.479 --> 1:42:52.160 He didn't have much to say in those sixty three minutes, 1:42:52.240 --> 1:42:55.559 just kind of became repetitive, and he said he has 1:42:55.600 --> 1:42:58.400 a lot of confidence in the coaching staff, loves Zach 1:42:58.439 --> 1:42:59.960 Taylor's as he respects him as. 1:42:59.880 --> 1:43:02.120 A coach, Tomlin and on Super Bowls. 1:43:02.240 --> 1:43:05.559 Yeah, three years in a row with no playoffs. 1:43:05.640 --> 1:43:07.160 Yep, that's okay. Everything's fine. 1:43:07.360 --> 1:43:10.160 Fine, But turning on social media if you are curious 1:43:10.160 --> 1:43:12.760 about how the Bengals are spending their off season. Joe 1:43:12.760 --> 1:43:14.719 Burrow and a bunch of guys like ORLANDA Brown Junior, 1:43:14.800 --> 1:43:17.479 Jamar Chase. They were all seen in Vegas and then 1:43:17.560 --> 1:43:18.920 Joe Burrow was at the Golden. 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:19.519 Globes the other night. 1:43:19.640 --> 1:43:20.080 Wonderful. 1:43:20.120 --> 1:43:24.560 They're doing just fine, just like kist Obin and in 1:43:24.680 --> 1:43:25.240 Zach Taylor. 1:43:25.920 --> 1:43:26.639 Everything's fine. 1:43:26.760 --> 1:43:30.000 Shifting gears here seventy one days until opening day, of course, 1:43:30.040 --> 1:43:32.439 against the Red Sox this weekend, though, to get you bye, 1:43:32.439 --> 1:43:36.160 we've got Reds Fest. Reds Fest back at the Convention 1:43:36.280 --> 1:43:40.160 Center yep, Friday from three to ten thirty Saturday eleven 1:43:40.200 --> 1:43:40.920 to six thirty. 1:43:41.280 --> 1:43:44.519 Last week, Ellie Da la Cruz was not confirmed. Now 1:43:44.520 --> 1:43:44.760 he was. 1:43:44.760 --> 1:43:51.559 Careful the show up demands. Yeah, he got it done, though. 1:43:51.560 --> 1:43:54.160 I got it done. You are welcome Cincinnati. So Ellie 1:43:54.200 --> 1:43:56.639 will not be there for how long? I'm not exactly sure. 1:43:56.640 --> 1:43:59.160 I don't know what his appearances look like this weekend, 1:43:59.200 --> 1:44:01.280 but I love it's fast. I love that it's back. 1:44:01.640 --> 1:44:04.160 The Convention Center is all decked out on the outside. 1:44:04.200 --> 1:44:06.519 You've got the brand new Cincinnati signed lit up in 1:44:06.560 --> 1:44:08.400 red and white, and so yeah, it's. 1:44:08.240 --> 1:44:10.000 Gonna be a good time Friday. To kick things off. 1:44:10.040 --> 1:44:14.639 You've got Bronson Arroyo with a live musical performance at 1:44:14.640 --> 1:44:18.040 four thirty at the main Yes, sure, yeah, he's sticking 1:44:18.080 --> 1:44:20.760 around and they're going to do an intro for all 1:44:20.800 --> 1:44:23.320 the players past and present at that main stage at 1:44:23.320 --> 1:44:26.120 five thirty. And one of my favorite events on that 1:44:26.200 --> 1:44:27.720 Friday night, if you're still going to be there, eight 1:44:27.880 --> 1:44:32.040 forty five is the kid's only press conference, so kids 1:44:32.040 --> 1:44:34.479 get to ask the players the questions and it's always 1:44:34.520 --> 1:44:35.040 just a really. 1:44:34.960 --> 1:44:35.840 Cute are you checking out? 1:44:36.760 --> 1:44:36.880 Year? 1:44:37.320 --> 1:44:39.519 No such thing as shrip Poker, but I do want 1:44:39.520 --> 1:44:42.759 to say that the Reds Poker on Saturday is completely 1:44:42.800 --> 1:44:45.599 sold out. Everything with that benefits the Reds community fun. 1:44:45.760 --> 1:44:47.200 So looking forward to being a part of that. 1:44:47.400 --> 1:44:50.240 All right, seg Gapper and Sarah at the final table 1:44:50.800 --> 1:44:51.479 Strip Poker. 1:44:53.560 --> 1:44:55.600 Give me Gapper any day please. 1:44:56.120 --> 1:44:58.439 I'm just saying, I'm just saying, all right. 1:44:58.280 --> 1:45:00.559 So that's what's trying to do sports. 1:45:00.680 --> 1:45:02.920 Sarah leaves, it's a snort report this morning, So again 1:45:02.960 --> 1:45:05.280 we had. The paper bags from the Bengals are now 1:45:05.320 --> 1:45:07.880 being used at UCE in what's seventy one days? 1:45:07.880 --> 1:45:09.719 He'll BB's a Reds Reds answer. 1:45:10.040 --> 1:45:12.240 Please don't bring the bags to g ABP. 1:45:12.400 --> 1:45:13.920 Getting a lot of miles out of the paper bag. 1:45:14.040 --> 1:45:16.320 We really need a bat, though, Incinnati. 1:45:15.800 --> 1:45:17.679 Sports paper bag capital of America. 1:45:17.920 --> 1:45:19.559 Please sign a big bat for the Reds. 1:45:19.600 --> 1:45:21.519 All right, news is on the way next slowly seven 1:45:21.600 --> 1:45:22.760 hundreds since net