1
00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:00,760
Speaker 1: Don't want to be.

2
00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,160
Speaker 2: It's got a flown show back on seven hundred deuli

3
00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:08,360
Speaker 2: all that are A lot's going on. Got some council

4
00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,520
Speaker 2: stuff to cover lighter stuff as well after a few

5
00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,800
Speaker 2: days off here. So the death toll from the protests

6
00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,080
Speaker 2: in Iran above twenty five hundred right now. I saw

7
00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,640
Speaker 2: an estimate from another so I said close to five

8
00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,840
Speaker 2: thousand more, believe it or not. Two thousand people dead,

9
00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,560
Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands arrested after protests in that country. Aranians

10
00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,040
Speaker 2: started making phone calls abroad yesterday for the first time

11
00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,880
Speaker 2: in days because they cut all communications off during a crackdown.

12
00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,920
Speaker 2: And so that's where things stand right now. In this figure,

13
00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,560
Speaker 2: dwarfs any protest I think we've seen, probably since nineteen

14
00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,200
Speaker 2: seventy nine. If you're around back then, Laura Kartch is here.

15
00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,440
Speaker 2: She's a senior contributor to Young Voices. I'm sure Laura

16
00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,680
Speaker 2: wasn't around. I was a small child then, so I

17
00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,319
Speaker 2: kind of remember, but sort of. Laura, Welcome to the show.

18
00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:54,720
Speaker 3: How are you?

19
00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,080
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me Scott.

20
00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's begin with this. I know that the

21
00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,280
Speaker 2: White House met behind closed door secretly, well not secret

22
00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,039
Speaker 2: anymore with the exiled former Kron Prince Donald President Trump

23
00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,400
Speaker 2: was kind of cold on him at first, and now

24
00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,640
Speaker 2: it looks like that name is being thrown a lot

25
00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,240
Speaker 2: by the people on the ground that people actually doing

26
00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,120
Speaker 2: the protesting. As far as their next leader goes, what's

27
00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,760
Speaker 2: going on with Komani and how likely is that's going

28
00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:21,160
Speaker 2: to happen.

29
00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,240
Speaker 4: So the rumor is that Trump right now is weighing

30
00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,080
Speaker 4: all his military options. He's been very SoCal about that,

31
00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,920
Speaker 4: and as of ten am yesterday he announced that he's

32
00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,280
Speaker 4: canceled all the diplomatic meetings that were set with Iranian officials,

33
00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,920
Speaker 4: so things are getting really serious. Iran has since replied

34
00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,000
Speaker 4: that it's ready for war and has continued its killing.

35
00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,360
Speaker 4: So in my opinion, I think maybe strikes are imminent.

36
00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,600
Speaker 4: And in regards to the chance for Paul Lobby, which

37
00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:56,520
Speaker 4: was the elite Shaw the Sun Stay, Yeah, who was

38
00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,720
Speaker 4: in power before seventy nine takeover, there's huge rumors that

39
00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,120
Speaker 4: he may be coming back as well, and he has

40
00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,960
Speaker 4: been vocal about coming back since last summer after Operation

41
00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,440
Speaker 4: Midnight Sledgehammer. So there's a lot of talks on that,

42
00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,680
Speaker 4: and mainly I think if Hamami's gone and he comes in.

43
00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:15,600
Speaker 5: So we're going to.

44
00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,799
Speaker 4: See a very different Iran emerge. It's just a question

45
00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,320
Speaker 4: of you know, whether or not the US is going

46
00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,760
Speaker 4: to intervene, and if it does, you know, there's so

47
00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,520
Speaker 4: many different scenarios that can come out of that.

48
00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,640
Speaker 2: You know, we've seen this before, and I vaguely remember

49
00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,360
Speaker 2: seventy nine, but as a student of history now that

50
00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,200
Speaker 2: I'm older, now, I'm very clear on what happened then, because,

51
00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,639
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, you had the Shaw in power back

52
00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,679
Speaker 2: by the United States. He exiled in the United States,

53
00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,720
Speaker 2: died of cancer, and we had this totalitarian regime come

54
00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,960
Speaker 2: in in seventy nine after the hostage crisis where Americans

55
00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,080
Speaker 2: were held hostage. Reagan came into office and they ended

56
00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,919
Speaker 2: that and so i'll started this kind of Cold war

57
00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:53,760
Speaker 2: with Iran and the Iran we see now as a

58
00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,000
Speaker 2: product of that. Prior to that, it was a very

59
00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,359
Speaker 2: democratic state, like you know, women were it was very

60
00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,160
Speaker 2: progressive as a matter of fact, you know, women and

61
00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,359
Speaker 2: have to wear his job, and you know there's mingling,

62
00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,160
Speaker 2: commingling and the sexes and the like. But we've seen

63
00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,160
Speaker 2: these uprisings in the past. You know, the Arab spring

64
00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,079
Speaker 2: to twenty nine, twenty nineteen, twenty twenty two. Why is

65
00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,240
Speaker 2: this one different or isn't it?

66
00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,320
Speaker 4: Well, what's really interesting is that it began in Tehran's

67
00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,840
Speaker 4: growing Bi Star area, which was typically loyal to the

68
00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,680
Speaker 4: Eye Pola, So that in and of itself is the signal.

69
00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,280
Speaker 4: And you know, going back to your point about prior

70
00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,560
Speaker 4: to seventy nine takeover, the Palavii dynasty was actually very

71
00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,040
Speaker 4: pro West. So if we do see this sun coming in,

72
00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,800
Speaker 4: we would have potential normalization with Gulf countries, Israel and

73
00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,920
Speaker 4: less proxy conflicts in places like Lebanon, Gaza and Syria.

74
00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,560
Speaker 4: Right now, you know, a huge realignment with pragmatic relations

75
00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,280
Speaker 4: with these states and the West.

76
00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,880
Speaker 6: So the key would really be a.

77
00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,600
Speaker 4: Shifting middle dynamic from the confrontation that we've seen for

78
00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,240
Speaker 4: over so many decades to one of economic and security cooperations.

79
00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,440
Speaker 3: With the West and the ransfer of Pallavi.

80
00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's I don't know if it's an overwhelming

81
00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,720
Speaker 2: concessant the consensus, and it's hard to tell, but that

82
00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,160
Speaker 2: kind of came as a surprise.

83
00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,320
Speaker 4: Why right, So it's not exactly overwhelming, it's just that

84
00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,640
Speaker 4: there's been many video surfacing on you know, places like

85
00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,760
Speaker 4: x and others of people chanting Pahlabi's name in the streets.

86
00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:18,360
Speaker 4: And I think it has something to do with what

87
00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,640
Speaker 4: we mentioned. Prior to seventy nine, Yarn was a free,

88
00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,440
Speaker 4: secular society, and it's very obvious that the population would

89
00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,680
Speaker 4: like a return to that. And you know, if Paul

90
00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,760
Speaker 4: Labby is the way to do that right now, then

91
00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,719
Speaker 4: I think everyone you know would be open to it.

92
00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,440
Speaker 2: Aren't There thousands of soldiers and people who report to

93
00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,080
Speaker 2: the total of tearan regime now comeni that would resist

94
00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,680
Speaker 2: that because it's such a big base right now. If

95
00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,320
Speaker 2: paulab came in, that would essentially take away their authority

96
00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,080
Speaker 2: and maybe paychecks right exactly.

97
00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,520
Speaker 4: And that's where the complication comes in because we've seen

98
00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:58,560
Speaker 4: even soldiers out of uniform shooting at protesters. So the

99
00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,000
Speaker 4: entire thing is very complicated, and I think that's partly

100
00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,000
Speaker 4: why Trump is taking so long to respond a little bit,

101
00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,520
Speaker 4: because you know, if you take out the main leader,

102
00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,880
Speaker 4: you still have an enormous security group that is still

103
00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,040
Speaker 4: loyal to the IATOLA. So I think day by day

104
00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,040
Speaker 4: and uh, it's really going to be interesting to see

105
00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,080
Speaker 4: how Trump can influence the situation.

106
00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,600
Speaker 2: We're talking about taking over Greenland, presumably by force. We've

107
00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,159
Speaker 2: seen what's happening in Venezuela. When now Iran, how do

108
00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,279
Speaker 2: you foresay that kind of regime change there without boots

109
00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,520
Speaker 2: on the ground, which of course would break his campaign

110
00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,040
Speaker 2: promise about no more foreign wars.

111
00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,280
Speaker 3: It sounds like foreign wars to me.

112
00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,640
Speaker 4: Right, exactly, the no new wars infamous campaign. You know

113
00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,280
Speaker 4: it from what we've seen in Venezuela, the US military

114
00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:50,080
Speaker 4: has proved its capable of, you know, making such a

115
00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:55,520
Speaker 4: giant change without as much collateral damage. You know, I

116
00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,599
Speaker 4: personally think that there would be way too much collateral

117
00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,039
Speaker 4: damage if we go in respond. But you know, with

118
00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,440
Speaker 4: a place like ran Uron, it doesn't have the same

119
00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,160
Speaker 4: dynamics as been as well I did. But you know,

120
00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,040
Speaker 4: it comes down to the ideology as well that they've

121
00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,479
Speaker 4: had since seventy nine under the Eyetola. You know, are

122
00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,280
Speaker 4: there enough people that can carry on the movement and

123
00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,920
Speaker 4: kind of clean out the ideology that the security forces

124
00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:22,360
Speaker 4: would have.

125
00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think what you're up against here, I

126
00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,000
Speaker 2: mean I mentioned the current assessment. I think it might

127
00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,600
Speaker 2: be from the UN. I'm not quite sure they said

128
00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,560
Speaker 2: about twenty five hundred at this point. Some others are

129
00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,799
Speaker 2: suggesting five thousand protesters that killed, one hundred and fifty

130
00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,760
Speaker 2: thousand plus jailed at this point. That is an incredible

131
00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:39,440
Speaker 2: number to show you.

132
00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,920
Speaker 4: I it brought against right definitely, to be honest, I'm

133
00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:48,240
Speaker 4: also seeing report twelve thousand and more suspected. So it's

134
00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,920
Speaker 4: going to be interesting over the next couple of days

135
00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,840
Speaker 4: to see what the real number is because that can

136
00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,080
Speaker 4: either refuel the movement or stop it completely.

137
00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,160
Speaker 2: Well, now you're the levels of genocide that changes things entirely.

138
00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,160
Speaker 2: So I mentioned the UN earlier. Where are they on

139
00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:03,440
Speaker 2: all this?

140
00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:06,000
Speaker 5: Well?

141
00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:07,240
Speaker 6: You and in my.

142
00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,480
Speaker 4: Opinion, it's been a lot of crickets I haven't heard.

143
00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:12,800
Speaker 7: I've noticed that.

144
00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,800
Speaker 2: With the UN, lauras if the United States, if we

145
00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:18,680
Speaker 2: do something like I don't execute a mass murder, they're

146
00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,679
Speaker 2: all up in our grill, but they're kind of quiet

147
00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,800
Speaker 2: when it's twelve thousand people exactly exactly.

148
00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,960
Speaker 4: That seems to be the pattern these days or this

149
00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,120
Speaker 4: last year, quite frankly, So it is going to be

150
00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,040
Speaker 4: very interesting to see if they do come back into

151
00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,680
Speaker 4: this conversation, if Trump does decide to act, which I

152
00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:37,720
Speaker 4: think might be the case.

153
00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,160
Speaker 2: Okay, as far as retaliation goes, I know they're a

154
00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,360
Speaker 2: parliament speaker threatened if we do anything militarily that the

155
00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,720
Speaker 2: United States and Israel Israeli targets would be legitimate.

156
00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:54,520
Speaker 4: What's the likelies of that happening, right, you know, there's

157
00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,680
Speaker 4: only one way to find out, unfortunately, but they have. Yeah,

158
00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,720
Speaker 4: the Parliament did come out with the chance of that

159
00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,360
Speaker 4: America and the Iranian regime itself did say if you

160
00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,040
Speaker 4: bomb us, we will target US spaces in the East.

161
00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,520
Speaker 4: So you know, I'm hoping all our troops are safe

162
00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,239
Speaker 4: at the moment, and there are some contingency plans in place.

163
00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,680
Speaker 2: Plabi Is, by the way, it's Laura Karcht on the show.

164
00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,440
Speaker 2: She's with the young voices and following very closely obviously

165
00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,200
Speaker 2: what's happening in Iran. Boots on the ground here, and

166
00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,400
Speaker 2: polabi Is is kind of positioning himself as this transitional leader.

167
00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,920
Speaker 2: But we've seen that before, the old bait and switch. Right,

168
00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,240
Speaker 2: what's a realistic scenario look like if this actually happens.

169
00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,480
Speaker 4: Realistic scenario? So, I have been following his comment since

170
00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,240
Speaker 4: last summer, and I do believe that he wants to

171
00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,360
Speaker 4: please you. Know, the West and Israel and the wholf countries,

172
00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:48,880
Speaker 4: and he has come out and said, you know, we

173
00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,679
Speaker 4: want pro wess, secular Iran to be back, freedom to

174
00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,760
Speaker 4: be restored, you know, things like that. So what I'm

175
00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:00,120
Speaker 4: hoping for is for some de escalation that the at

176
00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,600
Speaker 4: least so much deserves. You know, as an Asterian myself,

177
00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,560
Speaker 4: I think I'm also ready to see a conflict free

178
00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,839
Speaker 4: Middle East. You know, that's obviously not guaranteed, but the

179
00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,920
Speaker 4: most we can hope for right now is a realignment

180
00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,800
Speaker 4: towards pragmatic relations between the two regions.

181
00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,839
Speaker 2: This is all driven by nostalgia. There's enough people around

182
00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,320
Speaker 2: who remember what happened pre seventy nine, what life was

183
00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,559
Speaker 2: like there. They hear these these nostalgic stories, and now

184
00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,560
Speaker 2: they want that themselves. This is kind of like a

185
00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,360
Speaker 2: generational dynamic change for the opposition here.

186
00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,520
Speaker 4: Exactly, especially because you know, Iran does have a huge

187
00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,880
Speaker 4: young population right now that likely, you know, we're either

188
00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,640
Speaker 4: very young during the seventy nine tacob or we'ren't eveniforn

189
00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,680
Speaker 4: yet and need Personally, what I've been seeing are the

190
00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,280
Speaker 4: images from you know, the seventies, and personally in Syria,

191
00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,000
Speaker 4: it was the same way. It was very open, very secular,

192
00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,440
Speaker 4: and I do hope that Iran gets to return to that.

193
00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:56,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think.

194
00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,320
Speaker 2: I think some of the craziest pictures are are the

195
00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,440
Speaker 2: ones of you know, young men and women who are

196
00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,240
Speaker 2: on university campuses in Tehran and elsewhere, who are studying

197
00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,480
Speaker 2: and doing it together, and they're dressed in western It

198
00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,840
Speaker 2: looks like a picture of America actually, and that's shocking

199
00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,080
Speaker 2: considering where things stand now in the very radical Islamic

200
00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:14,920
Speaker 2: Middle East.

201
00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,720
Speaker 4: Exactly. Yes, And unfortunately, for now, the poster that seems

202
00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,080
Speaker 4: to be for this movement is the woman. I'm not

203
00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,640
Speaker 4: sure if you've seen it, that the woman with holding

204
00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,800
Speaker 4: a cigarette burning Humming's photo. So hopefully we get some

205
00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,000
Speaker 4: more positive photos after this blows over soon.

206
00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. How close to the brink is the current regime

207
00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,079
Speaker 2: right now? It seems like they're in survival mode.

208
00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,679
Speaker 4: Exactly. I do believe they're in survival mode because you know,

209
00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,520
Speaker 4: you can only get so much killing and so much

210
00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,559
Speaker 4: disorganization with folders in the streets just killing people point blink.

211
00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,440
Speaker 4: If the Hummingians didn't feel as if he was cornered,

212
00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,080
Speaker 4: I do think he feels cornered. At this point, So

213
00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,800
Speaker 4: he is pulling out all of his contingencies and just

214
00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,280
Speaker 4: kind of I feel like he's saying, you know, if

215
00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,599
Speaker 4: I go down, you're all going down with me.

216
00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:03,520
Speaker 6: Unfortunately.

217
00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, to share the desperation here, they

218
00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,440
Speaker 2: proposed dealing you know, nuclear deal negotiations. We've heard that

219
00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,520
Speaker 2: one a million times before. Well at the same time

220
00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:17,679
Speaker 2: threatening nuclear retaliation. I'm not quite sure how that makes sense.

221
00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,320
Speaker 4: Yes, inside the mind of KOMENI.

222
00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,040
Speaker 2: To show you the Yeah, how the news is tightening

223
00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,360
Speaker 2: around there. It's a really tough needle for Trump and

224
00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,160
Speaker 2: this administration to thread the lord because you know, as

225
00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,880
Speaker 2: we mentioned, it's a hands off policy.

226
00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,360
Speaker 3: We don't want to get involved in foreign wars.

227
00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,480
Speaker 2: But is this our best opportunity to establish democracy something

228
00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,600
Speaker 2: we could do and we couldn't do in Iraq and Afghanistan,

229
00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,800
Speaker 2: to establish democracy organically in Iran right now?

230
00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,320
Speaker 4: So I think there is a chance, of course, but

231
00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,120
Speaker 4: I think Trump needs to tread a little bit lightly

232
00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,760
Speaker 4: with the d word democracy given what we've seen, you know,

233
00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,000
Speaker 4: any racketyory and things like that. But I do believe

234
00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,880
Speaker 4: that he might be able to make some change on

235
00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,079
Speaker 4: you know, his promises to be running people saying keep going,

236
00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,280
Speaker 4: take over your institutions, take down the names of the killers.

237
00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,000
Speaker 4: You know, he's really trying to refuel the movement, keep

238
00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,800
Speaker 4: it going and you know, again looking like stricter imminence

239
00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,080
Speaker 4: and hopefully we're not going to see more deaths. But Trump,

240
00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,080
Speaker 4: Trump is going to get negative reviews whether or not

241
00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,520
Speaker 4: he acts on this, you know, so I think, yeah, well.

242
00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,200
Speaker 2: When the when the valve of your currency drops what

243
00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,920
Speaker 2: forty percent, that's going to get people's attention.

244
00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,800
Speaker 3: And of course, you know, change is imminent at this point.

245
00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,920
Speaker 4: Exactly something negative. This is the boiling point and it's

246
00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,440
Speaker 4: either going to go really really bad or finally, you know,

247
00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:39,160
Speaker 4: really really good.

248
00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,000
Speaker 2: Trump also said he's going to hit any country doing

249
00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,000
Speaker 2: business with a round of of twenty five percent tariff

250
00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,800
Speaker 2: right now. I thought, it's kind of maxed out the tariffs,

251
00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,040
Speaker 2: so can we teariff him anymore?

252
00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:49,560
Speaker 3: At this point?

253
00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,240
Speaker 2: I h that's the essential where their economy is in

254
00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,160
Speaker 2: the state it is right now because the actions of

255
00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,120
Speaker 2: the regime, and this is what is driving people. As

256
00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,840
Speaker 2: I said, it's definitely organic. But you know, when you

257
00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,480
Speaker 2: get the business commedian, I don't care if it's a Cincinnati, Washington,

258
00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,480
Speaker 2: or Tehran. Business committee starts losing money.

259
00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,679
Speaker 7: You got problems exactly.

260
00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,600
Speaker 4: And some people in the East, we need to remember

261
00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,000
Speaker 4: that they don't have a choice on you know, where

262
00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,560
Speaker 4: to buy oil. Some people need you run for that.

263
00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,040
Speaker 4: Some people need you run for the gases that you know,

264
00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,600
Speaker 4: so we he I don't think the tariffs are conducive

265
00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,840
Speaker 4: to a diplomatic environment, and I do think Trump needs

266
00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,480
Speaker 4: to go back to the class of diplomacy, you know.

267
00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,280
Speaker 6: Go make the deals.

268
00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,920
Speaker 4: Bomb people a little bit less, because I think in

269
00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,520
Speaker 4: the long run America will pay the price for that.

270
00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,520
Speaker 4: And I just really hope that the global order doesn't retaliate.

271
00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,600
Speaker 2: Against well, yeah, I just let let this thing happen

272
00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,000
Speaker 2: organically and support them kind of backdoor like we used

273
00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,880
Speaker 2: to a CIA and everything else. And I don't know

274
00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,120
Speaker 2: if we'll have another hostage crisis because there aren't many

275
00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,160
Speaker 2: Americans left in there. But we'll see how this shakes

276
00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:55,240
Speaker 2: out over what period of time?

277
00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:55,360
Speaker 1: Though?

278
00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,240
Speaker 3: How long is it saying? How much longer can they.

279
00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,800
Speaker 1: Do this on it?

280
00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,840
Speaker 4: Personally, I would give it another week maximum, because there

281
00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,480
Speaker 4: have been embassy documents leaks of Trump sending the letter

282
00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,960
Speaker 4: saying hey, you all need to get out, but just

283
00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:11,720
Speaker 4: know that it's at your own risk and you can't

284
00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,000
Speaker 4: do it with us help.

285
00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,959
Speaker 6: So the situation is.

286
00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,760
Speaker 4: More grave than he's letting on. But hopefully he has

287
00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,520
Speaker 4: a backup plan. And I think we're all just waiting

288
00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:23,360
Speaker 4: to see what happens.

289
00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:23,760
Speaker 6: Honestly.

290
00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if we if we announced her, I

291
00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,360
Speaker 2: know we haven't having a strike for example, as we've

292
00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:32,800
Speaker 2: seen Trump do this well this past summer in Iraq.

293
00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,960
Speaker 2: I wonder what Iran does at that point? Do they blink?

294
00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,240
Speaker 4: We will see I I again, I would keep an

295
00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,240
Speaker 4: eye on our Middle East faces or American based because

296
00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,320
Speaker 4: they are the main targets if that happens.

297
00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder how that that plays Are you just

298
00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,000
Speaker 2: let them simply the people support them and let them

299
00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:55,840
Speaker 2: choke out this regime.

300
00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:57,080
Speaker 3: We'll see how it plays out.

301
00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,320
Speaker 2: She is Laura carch Young voices Senior can be able

302
00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,560
Speaker 2: to following this boots on the ground in Iran.

303
00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:03,960
Speaker 3: Thanks again for the time, appreciate it.

304
00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:05,480
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me.

305
00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:06,320
Speaker 3: All right, all the best.

306
00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,280
Speaker 2: I got to get a news update in so that's

307
00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,080
Speaker 2: kind of good news there, I guess, because you know,

308
00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,520
Speaker 2: you remember revolution seventy nine we had Cincinnati has taken

309
00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,680
Speaker 2: hostage by the regime. They're the new regime that's been

310
00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,480
Speaker 2: in power since then. And now people who have a

311
00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,440
Speaker 2: fond recollection, probably from older folks in Iran in their country,

312
00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,120
Speaker 2: about the good old days when you did have democracy,

313
00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:32,200
Speaker 2: when it was secular, are tired of the totalitarian regime

314
00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,480
Speaker 2: that they have led by radical Islam. And when the

315
00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,840
Speaker 2: economy starts collapsing because those sanctions. I mean, it took

316
00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,280
Speaker 2: Sin seventy nine to do this, but when you feel

317
00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,400
Speaker 2: that squeeze, that gets people's attention and now they're motivated

318
00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,320
Speaker 2: for some sort of change here. We'll see what happens.

319
00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,880
Speaker 2: Imagine a regime change in Iran. And if we could

320
00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,920
Speaker 2: leave our fingerprints off this whole thing too, as much

321
00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,000
Speaker 2: that as possible, that'd be great. I just fear, you know,

322
00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,480
Speaker 2: getting involved in another foreign war. We're promised no more

323
00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,080
Speaker 2: foreign wars, and well it looks like we're ramping that

324
00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:02,560
Speaker 2: up again. News on the way in just minutes and

325
00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,080
Speaker 2: when a return on seven hundred wluble to get into

326
00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,720
Speaker 2: the happenings inside City Council, when you reach out to

327
00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,960
Speaker 2: almost all members council and there's radio silence. It tells

328
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:16,120
Speaker 2: you something relative to settlements. We have like a eight

329
00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,360
Speaker 2: million dollar budget in the law department in the City

330
00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,840
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati, and every time there's a big case, it

331
00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,160
Speaker 2: seems like they just want to write another check. Well,

332
00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:25,680
Speaker 2: why do you have a law of apartment off all

333
00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:26,240
Speaker 2: you do? Or settle?

334
00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:26,440
Speaker 8: Kay?

335
00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,600
Speaker 3: Hell, I could do that. We'll get into that.

336
00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:34,520
Speaker 2: Just to had slooney seven hundred ww hi, Scott's loan

337
00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,920
Speaker 2: here on seven hundred w welw oh for a few days.

338
00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,640
Speaker 2: My wife having some knee surgery, goes with the age

339
00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:44,680
Speaker 2: and we're all there.

340
00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,160
Speaker 3: So everyone's happy. Everyone's happy. I'm not no longer. Well

341
00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,200
Speaker 3: I'll be a nurse after twelve today. Let's put it

342
00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:52,440
Speaker 3: that way, all right.

343
00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,760
Speaker 2: What do we got going on as we speak? The

344
00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,680
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati is about to meet here have council

345
00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,040
Speaker 2: meeting on this Wednesday morning, and the big headline you

346
00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,840
Speaker 2: heard Combsy talking about was the denouncement by the Mayor

347
00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,760
Speaker 2: and the city Council of the shooting of Renee Good

348
00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,000
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis by Ice agents. And a resolution will be

349
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,199
Speaker 2: signed by I believe all members of council that is

350
00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,639
Speaker 2: going to denounce the activity. As I just said, I

351
00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,400
Speaker 2: think it's interesting because you know, it's a feel good

352
00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,919
Speaker 2: piece of legislation, which governments do all the time. I mean,

353
00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,359
Speaker 2: you know, Ohio's official song is hang On Sloopy, and

354
00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,800
Speaker 2: that's not exactly a pressing matter of state. So you know,

355
00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,760
Speaker 2: bodies do these things all the time. But yeah, this one,

356
00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,280
Speaker 2: to me, it's kind of you know it it's interesting

357
00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:44,440
Speaker 2: because I'm reading through the resolution and it says because

358
00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,320
Speaker 2: you're thinking, well, you know, if ice comes here, they're

359
00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,280
Speaker 2: going to have to abide by the rules of the city,

360
00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,160
Speaker 2: meaning you have to have a body camera, you have

361
00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,240
Speaker 2: to identify yourself, you have to do all these things.

362
00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:58,679
Speaker 2: They simply don't have the power to do that. And

363
00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,760
Speaker 2: even in this declaration, let me just read a paragraph

364
00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,280
Speaker 2: whereas pursued to city policy and operational requirements, so officers

365
00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,040
Speaker 2: are prohibited from intentionally disguising or concealing their identities from

366
00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,520
Speaker 2: the public by wearing any mask, covering, or disguise while

367
00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,400
Speaker 2: performing their official duties. And officers may wear protective equipment

368
00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,840
Speaker 2: such as medical mass riode helmets, respirators required for health

369
00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,639
Speaker 2: or safety reasons, but how officer officers may not use

370
00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,640
Speaker 2: such equipment for the purpose concealing identity. All other law

371
00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,320
Speaker 2: enforcement office, including federal agents and member of the military

372
00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,399
Speaker 2: operating cincinnat are urged to adhere to these requirements to

373
00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,560
Speaker 2: protect public safety.

374
00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:34,639
Speaker 3: Urged.

375
00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,960
Speaker 2: This isn't even like a resolution has any teeth. Urge,

376
00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,280
Speaker 2: while you're urged to do that, you're urged to abide

377
00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,920
Speaker 2: by local law. Well, you may urge them, but they're

378
00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:51,199
Speaker 2: not going down because they're federal authorities. Watching the renee

379
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,280
Speaker 2: Good shootings. We talked about the day after it happened.

380
00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,200
Speaker 2: I saw that and went, okay, well, we still have

381
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,919
Speaker 2: a lot of unknown questions and very few answers at

382
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,679
Speaker 2: this point. She was perpendicular to traffic. So was she

383
00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,240
Speaker 2: blocking traffic? We still don't know she was technically. I

384
00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 2: guess the way she was parked, and you know, why,

385
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,399
Speaker 2: why are you putting yourself in that situation? I guess

386
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,800
Speaker 2: would be the way I look at And then you know,

387
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,760
Speaker 2: the wheels were pointed away from the officer and it

388
00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,720
Speaker 2: was point two nine seconds before the officer's shot. Again,

389
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,480
Speaker 2: you know, if you guys telling you get out of

390
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,200
Speaker 2: the vehicle, get out of the damn vehicle. I get

391
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,360
Speaker 2: that you're protesting, and we as Americans have every right

392
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,120
Speaker 2: to do that. But if you are impeding traffic and

393
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,800
Speaker 2: preventing I guess these agents from doing what they're doing.

394
00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,600
Speaker 2: You know, it's really no different. I made it parallel

395
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,200
Speaker 2: between this and what happened on January sixth when a

396
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 2: Air Force I guess a retired air she's still in

397
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 2: the Air Force or not she was, you know, she

398
00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,159
Speaker 2: was shot by breaking through the door to the chamber

399
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,960
Speaker 2: and everyone's held her up with some sort of hero

400
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,359
Speaker 2: It's the same thing. You know, if someone is pointing

401
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 2: a gun at you, someone of the gun is coming

402
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 2: towards you saying stop what you're doing, Stop what you're doing.

403
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,120
Speaker 2: Whether it's that, whether it's this, whether it's Ryan Hinton,

404
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. You know, you could be one hundred

405
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,479
Speaker 2: percent right, but they have the authority in the weapon,

406
00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 2: fight them in court.

407
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 3: Protest absolutely. I'm all for a peaceful protests. I will say.

408
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 3: The one thing I do agree.

409
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:20,240
Speaker 2: With with this kind of silly resolution is when these

410
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 2: guys are wearing masks and I know what the you know,

411
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 2: my friends in lawenforce, well, you know, we got to

412
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 2: conceal our identity because we may get docs we make.

413
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that kind of goes with the job. No one

414
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,240
Speaker 3: wants to see.

415
00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,640
Speaker 2: I certainly want to see law enforcement people threatening their

416
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 2: home and have their families targeted and everything else. And

417
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, but is that any different for judges or

418
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 2: prosecutors or police officers.

419
00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:40,320
Speaker 3: Or anyone for that matter.

420
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,240
Speaker 2: The thing that makes us different than other countries the

421
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,199
Speaker 2: fact we don't have a secret police state. And you

422
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,719
Speaker 2: can talk a while, it's different. They're federal agents. If

423
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 2: you're operating I guess in a foreign country. Yeah, I

424
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 2: think of like soldiers in Iraq in Afghanistan. That might

425
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: be a little bit different. Under Cover officers. You know,

426
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 2: everyone's got a camera right now if you're wearing a uniform,

427
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 2: though you're not under cover at that point. That's the

428
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 2: part of the constitution. That's part of the thing that

429
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: about most about all this stuff is the fact that

430
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 2: the mask wearing continues to go on. And you could say, well,

431
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 2: you know, it's cold out, it's different.

432
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:13,439
Speaker 3: I don't know.

433
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 2: That's America's always and we just we don't have secret police.

434
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 2: And that looks like secret police to me, whereas other

435
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 2: officers and the course of their job aren't aren't wearing masks.

436
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,479
Speaker 2: But again, you're passing a resolution where officers federations are

437
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 2: urged to do something that really doesn't mean a lot.

438
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean a lot. Meanwhile, something you do something about.

439
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: I looked this up this morning. Relative and this is

440
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,600
Speaker 2: relative to the settlements here that we keep pending money

441
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: out hand over fist. The city Law department has like

442
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 2: an eight points almost a nine million dollar budget as

443
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 2: of last year. I'm sure the number's gone off this year,

444
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: and that was a million more than plann from last year,

445
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: by the way, And yet with every big case it

446
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 2: seems like they settle and the idea is, well, it

447
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,959
Speaker 2: costs more to litigate, and this saved taxpayers money, so

448
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 2: we just settle. Okay, but this could be true too.

449
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 2: Then the more you settle, doesn't that just encourage anyone

450
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 2: with beef, no matter how wrong their actions are, to

451
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,239
Speaker 2: go after the city and be persistent about it and

452
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 2: eventually get paid. Because that's just people just come out

453
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 2: of the woodwork for this. Not saying that someone would

454
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 2: get in an altercation with police in order to get

455
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: a payout ten years later, I'm not saying that, but

456
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 2: you look at it and go, wow, everyone else is

457
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 2: doing it, I might as well fight this as well.

458
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: Mika Owens, by the way, calling for a full accounting

459
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: of the five plus million dollar budgeted for cameras, and

460
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 2: I think it fits together is like where's the money going?

461
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 3: What do you guys?

462
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 2: Are you guys responsible stewards of taxpayer money? I think

463
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 2: it's a fair question. Relative to settling everything. We just

464
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 2: did this in December with the George Floyd protests arrest

465
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 2: or nearly five hundred people arrested in the twenty twenty protest.

466
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 2: We settled for over eight point one million dollars and

467
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: that is not even including the three hundred sixteen thousand

468
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: plus for a handful I think about eight cases involving

469
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 2: police payots as well for the entire year of twenty

470
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: twenty five. That's just the eight point one million that

471
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: we paid the protesters. And you know, if you're out

472
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: there and you're being held in the sally Port and

473
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: it's hot outside, or you didn't have access to your medication,

474
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 2: and that's why you're suing the city because you forgot

475
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 2: to bring your meds with you and you don't have

476
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: access to them. These are some half assed protests. I

477
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 2: gotta be honest with you.

478
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: I don't know.

479
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 2: I mean Martin Luther King back in his day stood

480
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: for something and acted and suffered, and that's why he

481
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: is the icon, and that's why he's still celebrated today

482
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: for the purpose that.

483
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 9: We did it.

484
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: I don't recall your stories about him then suing the

485
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: police department because he wasn't afforded as medication. They just like,

486
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: it's hot outside and I didn't have a water bottle

487
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: with me. Well, again, you got to plan better for

488
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 2: these things. You got to plan better. I fully support

489
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 2: your right to protest, but turned around and suing because

490
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: it's hot outside. You're the one who decided to protest

491
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 2: or in this case, not get out of your car

492
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 2: when you're told I just speed up. This is, you know,

493
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: play stupid game wins superprizes. The other thing, too, is

494
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: the Condavier Hicks case. This just happened this week. As

495
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, almost a million and a half

496
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 2: dollars as a settlement there. Hicks was shot by CPD

497
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: officers in the North Side apartment back in twenty fifteen.

498
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 3: And so here's what happened.

499
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 2: They got a police got a nine one call about

500
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: someone possibly with a weapon, menacing some neighbors. The nine

501
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: to one one caller said that mister Hicks threatened to

502
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,959
Speaker 2: kill neighbors, a couple who accused him of stealing, and

503
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 2: so when you get a nine one one call, officers

504
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 2: have a duty to respond. They also had something called

505
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: probable cause knowing Hicks on his apartment and didn't want

506
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 2: to open there and investigate, and so they entered his apartment,

507
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: which is the crux of his Fourth Amendment argument that well, okay,

508
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: hold on just a second here, I didn't let you come. Yeah,

509
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: but you you have a complaint from two individuals who

510
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: said you were threatened, possibly with a weapon, and you've

511
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: got to investigate that. Can you imagine that, Well, he

512
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: was not letting them say okay, and then he goes

513
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: and shoots people for calling that one one. I mean,

514
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: they'd be hell to pay for the police department because

515
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: they didn't stop this madman from going on on a

516
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: shooting rampage.

517
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 7: Right.

518
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: You could totally see this happening.

519
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: And so they entered the apartment and when they opened

520
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: the door, barrel of a rifle came out. That's not

521
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: disputed again, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. So they

522
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: shoot him fatally in the chest and the end result

523
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: is ten years later, we've got to pay the estate

524
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: a million and a half dollars. What the hell is

525
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: wrong with this picture? So we had the Floyd protests,

526
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: we had Coin Davier Hicks, and now of course we

527
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: have what's going to happen with Ryan Hitten. Now, according

528
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 2: to our buddy Ken Cober, the FOP, this story broke

529
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: late last week about him. They're negotiating as settlement and

530
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 2: some stread backroom deal with city manager Shirrel Long. Now

531
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: when you talk to from Long to the family attorney

532
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: Phenon Rucker front of the show, Fanon Rucker had conversations

533
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: with the city and no massive settlement was And now

534
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: I think he said, that's news to me. Doesn't mean

535
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: because in an attorney and it's the city, it doesn't

536
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 2: mean it's not going on. It just means they're denying it.

537
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 2: And there's a difference between it not happening and people

538
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: denying it. And this is the most backwards thing you've

539
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: ever seen. But okay, if you look at what happened

540
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: just now with Kwandaverhicks, you look at what happened with

541
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: the eight point one plus million dollars with the protesters

542
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty. If you're this family, how could you

543
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: not look at it going we hang around long enough,

544
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna get paid.

545
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: And this wasn't even really long enough. They're just paying

546
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 3: it to go.

547
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: Wait.

548
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: If indeed this is the case, a family doesn't believe

549
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: the shooting was justified, I don't understand what's wrong with

550
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: this picture. If you have an individual who's eighteen, who's

551
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: under disability, not allowed to have a firearm, he's in

552
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: a stolen vehicle and gets out out of the car

553
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 2: after being stopped in clearly the jig is up at

554
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: this point. You know you're busted by police officers, and

555
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 2: it's shot by uniform police officers.

556
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 3: For that matter, you know these are the police.

557
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: It's not another gang, it's police, it's law enforcement. We

558
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: caught you in a stolen car. You decide to take

559
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 2: the handgun with you, not to leave it like the

560
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 2: other guy did. The guy who ran away didn't get shot,

561
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 2: had a gun, and he thought, I probably shouldn't grab

562
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: that gun and run with it. I might get shot

563
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 2: to death. Criminals aternally stupid. He was a smurder version

564
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: of stupid if you will, dah, I'm like, I'm done,

565
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 2: but I'm not taking a gun with me. That's not

566
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: gonna They left that gun in the car. In this case,

567
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 2: hen decides I'm gonna take the gun with me, falls down,

568
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: gun slides out of his hands, picks the gun back up,

569
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: and runs and as an officer was behind the dumpster,

570
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: turns towards and looks at the officer. I don't know

571
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: if he's pointing it, brandishing it kind of look but

572
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: split us and see you got a guy with a

573
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: gun who's running and running in your proximity towards you,

574
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 2: and look you that's a justified shooting. In what world

575
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 2: does someone like that deserve money? No world? Maybe I

576
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 2: don't know, the second ring of Jupiter. Possibly, I'm not

577
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 2: quite sure, but definitely not there. Definitely not in Cincinnati, Ohio.

578
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're gonna save some money and just settle

579
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 2: with the family and pay them off.

580
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 3: Because if that's the case, then could you make a.

581
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: Case this hinting and saying, look at looking at what

582
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: just happened with Condavior Hicks and what happened with the

583
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 2: George Floyd puts it is like you're damn straight, we're

584
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: going to pursue a lawsuit. We're definitely gonna come over

585
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: with a civil lawsuit and try to get some money

586
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: out of the city. And we know we'll probably lose,

587
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: but we think the city's going to settle with us.

588
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: I mean, at what point, and I get settling some

589
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: of these cases, but what point do people just stand up?

590
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: I mean, we're paying lawyers, the law department. The budget

591
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: is almost nine million dollars and now it's costing us

592
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: millions and millions more, hell more than the annual budget

593
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: to the city to settle these cases. At what point

594
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: do you just simply go, we've got to make we

595
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: got it. We get here's a hell We're gonna die

596
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: on no pun intended. We're going to stand up for

597
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: what's right it and maybe let we'll dissuade future criminals

598
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: and their families, the surviving family members, from trying to

599
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: folice the city out of more money. Look at look

600
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: at the hintons. I mean not certainly not the first time.

601
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,719
Speaker 2: Is you know the dad who's in jail right now

602
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: for shooting Deputy Layer Henderson in prison? How much money

603
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: is not going to cost us? How much money has

604
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: the street crime just by the hitting family cost us

605
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: and investigations and police overtime and just maybe maybe turn

606
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: around and trying to get some of that money. Here's

607
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: your money, but we're going to sue you to try

608
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: and get the money back that we just gave you.

609
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: It costs us in addition to the settlement and paying

610
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: these attorneys that just want to settle from the city.

611
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: On top of that, all of the man hours and

612
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: everything that goes into investigating these crimes committed by a

613
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: small percentage of people in Cincinnati makes a rest of

614
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: life's hell.

615
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: What is the added call?

616
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: I'd love to see one of those studies that they do,

617
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: you know, like the impact that the brin Spence Bridge has,

618
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: for example, on commerce. Te can calculate how much that

619
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: costs us, between the settlements and the payouts and the

620
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: police work and all the crime and all all that together,

621
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: it's got to be in the tens of millions of dollars.

622
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: I would think it's unfortunate. But okay, so we're going

623
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: to vote today on this resolution that doesn't have any teeth.

624
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 3: Gotcha?

625
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: I got you coming up at ten o six on

626
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: the show on seven hundred WW a little more pocketbook

627
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 2: issue for you getting to pay more for utilities and

628
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: why we'll all keeping more coal plants online? Why we

629
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 2: keeping more call because we have we are addicted to

630
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 2: the fossil fields. No, dummy, it's because of well, our

631
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: demand is consumers, is business people. But also now you

632
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: you add in all these AI farms that are going

633
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: up all over the place, which we need, which because

634
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: we demanded they got to meet the expectations of the consumer,

635
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: and AI is where it's at.

636
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 7: Uh.

637
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: They use a lot of water, these a hell of

638
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: a lot of electricity, and so the crunches to getting

639
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: in worse and as a result of this, we're gonna

640
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: pay more. I think it's telling that Duke Energy sent

641
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: letters out to individuals. You know how we don't understand

642
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: stuff explaining why energy bill, the energy bill you got

643
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: claw was a lot more. What's happening, Well, energy costs more,

644
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: but we're using a lot more. But when we had

645
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: that cold snap on unseasonably cold weather we had just

646
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: a few weeks ago in which we're about to have

647
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: coming up starting tomorrow. Uh, it's gonna cost you more

648
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: to heat and in the in the summer when it's

649
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: extremely hot, and we have a long stretch.

650
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: It's gonna cost you more. But now we have us letters.

651
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: I'm explaining why claw, here's the cost is because you're

652
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 3: using more of it. That's exactly why it is. That's

653
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: exactly why it is.

654
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 7: Yeah.

655
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: Anyway, so we got we got that coming up at five, one, three, seven,

656
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: four nine the Big One talk Back iHeartRadio app Rob.

657
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: Linniman is on the show, and Rob, you're an attorney.

658
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 10: I'm an attorney. I'm the attorney for the family of

659
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 10: kwandavi X.

660
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: All Right, thanks for leting.

661
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: I appreciate you calling in this morning, So give me

662
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: your I have a problem with this simply because of

663
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: the police and the narrative that as I understand it

664
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: from ten years ago that this individual, the police officer

665
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: in this case, were acting on a nine to one

666
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: one call. They have a duty to act if you

667
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 2: point a gun on officers, regardless of the situation, if

668
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: it's in your house or not, and you get shot.

669
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: Courts have often stood with in this case the law

670
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: enforcement officers. Why is this different in this case?

671
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 5: Sure?

672
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 10: Well, let's I want to start with a couple of

673
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 10: things you said earlier, just to correct the record, Yeah please,

674
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 10: you said, well, first you said once, if a police

675
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 10: officer has probable cause, then they can enter your home.

676
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 10: And you said if somebody doesn't doesn't answer the door,

677
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 10: then the police just entered the home as long as

678
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 10: they're probable cause. That's incorrect. As a matter of law,

679
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 10: what a police officer needs to enter your home is

680
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 10: a warrant. A warrant is time by a judge. So

681
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 10: they didn't get that in this case. And Scott I

682
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 10: would have assumed that this this is a pretty common

683
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 10: principle of law.

684
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: So well, well that's all the manage fact though. But

685
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: we've seen plenty of police videos before in the past

686
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: and where there's a there's a suspect inside and police

687
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: can enter without a search warrant and have entered because

688
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: they're they're in the process of stopping a felony.

689
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 10: If if you were in the process of stopping a felony,

690
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 10: if there were eggage and circumstances, that would be an

691
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 10: exception to the warrant requirement. There is no such circumstance here.

692
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 10: A police officer can't just I mean understand the position

693
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 10: you're taking's got and I understand normally I understand your

694
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 10: station to support the right to the Second Amendment rights

695
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 10: of Americans. But you seem to be taking the position

696
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 10: that if a police officer has some suspicion that there's

697
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 10: a criminal in the house, they can walk in the house,

698
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 10: and then if you are, if you are armed, they

699
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 10: can shoot you. Is that your position really.

700
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: The if they're brandishing a weapon at police officers and

701
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: you identify yourself as a police officer, if it were

702
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: an individual you mentioned second Amendment, I mean it applies,

703
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: but does because these are uniformed officers who identified Did

704
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: they identify themselves?

705
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 10: That's a disputed issue. The officer who could who That's

706
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 10: the point of the she she never reported that that

707
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 10: they identified themselves. They were they were knocking at an

708
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 10: interior door inside inside the home. The bedroom in this case,

709
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 10: mister Hicks's bedroom was on the third floor. The bathroom

710
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 10: in the kitchen are on the second floor. They're on

711
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 10: the they're on the second floor inside his apartment. And

712
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 10: again and again they answered without a warrant, and they

713
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 10: the so and it's and by the way, it was eleven.

714
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 10: It's eleven thirty at night, dark out, and and they

715
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 10: have not are according to the police. According to the

716
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 10: statement provided by the police officer, she never she never

717
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 10: announced that they were police officers.

718
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: Okay, and that's and that's what and that's what.

719
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's.

720
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: What's in contention is whether or not they idd themselves.

721
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: And that is a point.

722
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: It's a the officers of they did the in this

723
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: case of the other individual.

724
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 10: Was this not No, it's not incontention. She didn't say

725
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 10: they did. She said it's her policy not to identify

726
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 10: herself unless some one asks. So this is not in contention, gotcha.

727
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 10: It is what it is that she she never claimed

728
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 10: that they identified.

729
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 3: Was it a female officers?

730
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 5: Ever say yes.

731
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha?

732
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 2: Because this story is right, I apologize because the story

733
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: is reft their old and trying to find the details

734
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 2: of a ten year old story is rather difficult. So

735
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: if they didn't then said hey I didn't I d myself. Yeah,

736
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 2: that's a different matter entirely. But if someone is if

737
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: someone is subject to a threat with a weapon, though,

738
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: doesn't that escalate the response of the police officers, Because

739
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: as I said, if they if they simply walked away

740
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: and said, well, we can't get in, this person goes

741
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: on a shooting spree, we'd probably be having a different conversation.

742
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 10: Well so, and that's the that's the precise issue of

743
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 10: this right. So when a police officer, I think the

744
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 10: law is clear that a police officer has the right

745
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 10: to use deadly force if there if they reasonably feel

746
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 10: that their life is in danger or the life of

747
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 10: others is in danger. But in this case, you put

748
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 10: yourself in the position where so police officers inside the

749
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 10: house has not identified themselves as a police officer. They're

750
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 10: knocking at the door. A homeowner, a citizen in their home,

751
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 10: comes to the door, not knowing who they're going to

752
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 10: find in their house at eleven thirty at night in

753
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 10: the dark, pounding on the door, and reasonably arms themselves.

754
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 10: Right right, you got a gun in the house, you

755
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 10: come out, there's an intruder in your house. You're carrying

756
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 10: a gun. The gun was unloaded, by the way the

757
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 10: gun Kwandavir Hicks could not have shot those police officers

758
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 10: if it had been his intention. The gun was not loaded.

759
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: Well, but again, we've had justified shootings where someone has

760
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: pointed a screwdriver an officer and the officers shot them,

761
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: and it's been justified because it was same with BB guns.

762
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 2: I mean, using your logic here, someone pointed a BB

763
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: gun at a police officer and it turned out later

764
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: you realized there was a pellet gun or a airsoft

765
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: gun and shot them.

766
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: Anyway, their officer'd be in the right, wouldn't they.

767
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 10: Well, the question is was the officers I was speaking

768
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 10: to a different aspect there.

769
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: But hey, Rob, hold on a second, and I hate

770
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: to do this because I'm up against news.

771
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: Here can I have?

772
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: I'd love to continue the conversation though, because I want to,

773
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: you know, certainly get the facts that I love to.

774
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: Let me put you on hold and we'll get your number,

775
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: maybe reschedule for another time. Rob Lenniman is the attorney

776
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: for the Hicks family in this particular case. But we'll

777
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: pick it back up again. I'm a little bit late

778
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: for news. I got to switch it up anyway. I

779
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: got a guest standing by at ten oh six on

780
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 2: your wallet, the Citizens Utility Board of Ohio, the president,

781
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: that's Tom Bullocks, and utility prices going up and a

782
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: lot of this is driven of course by AI farms

783
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: as opposed to and I wonder why we're keeping coal

784
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: plants on anyway, I get to that right after news up.

785
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: They hear up against it on seven hundred w W Cincinnati.

786
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: More bad news for your pocketbook here, if you're in Ohio,

787
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: you and your family could be paying more for electricity.

788
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: Why well, the federal government is trying to extend the

789
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: life of aging coal plants that were once slated for

790
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: coal closure. And those things are notoriously expensive to keep going.

791
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: And we're seeing this trend across the country as well.

792
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: And those expenses too would then be passed on consumer,

793
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: So says the Citizen's Utility Board of Ohio. Tom Bullock

794
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 2: is here is our executive director, Tom.

795
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,959
Speaker 3: Welcome, How are you good morning? I'm good, good good.

796
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 2: Why would keeping a coal plant open cost us more money?

797
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 2: Does it cost more money to open new plants?

798
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: Most of these plants in question are very old, seventy

799
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: years old, sixty years old. They were designed for a

800
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: different era. The parts don't exist, the facilities aren't designed

801
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: to power up or power down swiftly or respond to

802
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: economic conditions. So it's a little bit like if your

803
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: uncle gave you a nineteen seventy two Chevy and it

804
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: still runs and leted gasoline and you're supposed to drive

805
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: that around. Yeah, in theory it's cheaper, but really to

806
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: operate it, how do you get the parts to repair

807
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: it when nobody makes them. It's difficult.

808
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: Okay, So the question be why why are we forcing

809
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 3: to keep these plants open?

810
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: Then, well, you'd have to ask the White House. The

811
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: White House believes that it wants to support one fuel source. Now,

812
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: power is generated by a mix of sources. Coal, nuclear,

813
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: natural gas is a big, big player, and increasingly wind

814
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: and solar. Those are low costs, and then battery storage

815
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: plays a role as well. Those are essentially large versions

816
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: of the lithium ion batteries you carry around in your

817
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: smartphone in your pocket all day long. Those play a

818
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: role because it evens out the grid and you can

819
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: use cheap solar or wind when there's extra power and

820
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: you don't need it, stor it in the battery, and

821
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: then release it when you do need it.

822
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 3: Gotcha.

823
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: But what's driving this though, is demand. Right as I

824
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: understand it, we're putting all these AI facilities online. Ohio,

825
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: for example, Columbus Butler County is getting like a million

826
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: square foot facility as well, and so they're extending the

827
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: life of coal plants because we need to meet demand.

828
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: The problem is the forecast, and I'm sure you know

829
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: by what twenty thirty nine is allegedly going to go

830
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: up some forty percent. That's just demand that we don't

831
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: have the infrastructure and the transmission to be able to

832
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: get that power to households and businesses and residents. Obviously,

833
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: in addition to all of the technology's going online. So

834
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: it feels to me like an all hands on deck approach.

835
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 3: Is that wrong?

836
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 6: Half right, half wrong?

837
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: There for sure is data centers that are driving low growth.

838
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: Part of that is artificial intelligence, part of it's not.

839
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: There's also new factories coming to Ohio, like we hope

840
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: the Intel plants. As people also electrify their homes with

841
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: electric cars or switch their furthest to a heat pump,

842
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: there's going to be more growth overall. But we do

843
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: have power today. What's causing the price bike is the speculation,

844
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: as you said, about the X five years or so

845
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: for data center growth, and there's a bit of an

846
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: arms race by those companies to build out. And if

847
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: you don't have power, a data center is a warehouse

848
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: full of expensive junk. So it's a real issue. But

849
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: it's not coal that is needed, it's power that the

850
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: market decides is the best choice. And that gets to

851
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: the heart of it. Government isn't supposed to be picking

852
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: winners and losers. And if the White House picks losing

853
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: facilities that are closed because they're the most expensive and

854
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: forces people to use those market losers to drive power,

855
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: it's going to make losers out of all how consumers,

856
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: because what you're doing is you're spiking the market. The

857
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: market is designed to have an auction and the lowest

858
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: cost supplier wins. But if somebody comes in and says, hey, market,

859
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to force you to not just take expensive power,

860
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: but the most expensive power from the oldest and lease

861
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: nimble and least adaptive facilities, it's keews everything. So the

862
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: issue isn't the fuel source. The issue is let the

863
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: market function like it's supposed to without tampering.

864
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: What does the market want.

865
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: When the market wants more power and affordable power, which

866
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: is going to be a little bit of an up

867
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: and down as you bring new resources on. But if

868
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: you let the market function, a temporary high price in

869
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: the short term will level out and decrease over time.

870
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: The challenge, though, is that our regional grid it's called PJM.

871
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: Ohio was part of thirteen states in a grid that

872
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: includes the mid Atlantic Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, et cetera. It's

873
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: not easy to get new power added to the grid,

874
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: and that is worsening prices in the term. So PJM,

875
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: not the federal government, also has work to do to

876
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: make the hot prices, which are setting the signal to suppliers. Hey,

877
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: power producers, come online, we need you. The market is

878
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: setting that signal. But the problem is PGM has restrictions

879
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: about adding power and interconnecting with the grid that are

880
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: too slow and difficult. So the prices are going to

881
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: be high for a while with no market solutions. So

882
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,280
Speaker 1: PGM has work to do to lower our prices.

883
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: Is this just a case of bureaucracy and this is

884
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: what is It's a choke point in that we have

885
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: an increasing demand for power, and so you address that

886
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 3: by keeping the old technology online, when of course keeping

887
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: old stuff going, as you pointed out, as always more

888
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 3: expensive the future.

889
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: To me, you should be everything should be on the table.

890
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:56,720
Speaker 2: We if wind or solar, whatever works, hydrogen, nuclear, whatever

891
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 2: it is, whatever we can get to market more quickly.

892
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: That's what we should be the favoring at this point.

893
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: Why isn't that happening, especially for the An administration. It

894
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 2: seems so friendly about getting rid of all the gridlock

895
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: and bureaucracy and doze and all that stuff that fits

896
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: right in.

897
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 3: Why isn't that happening?

898
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: Well, because I think what's happening is a lobbyist and

899
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: the political favors are getting involved instead of instead of

900
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: letting the market. So capitalism as a creative destructive cycle.

901
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: What happens is the least expensive old technology goes away

902
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: and is replaced by a new, better mouse trapper, in

903
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: this case, a new, cheaper generation facility. But if the

904
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: people who are friends with the old facilities say, hey,

905
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: wait a minute, we don't like the market. If you

906
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: do me a political favor, well, then it makes everything

907
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: more expensive for everybody else. There are more than one

908
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: thousand power production generation facilities in our regional thirteen state grid.

909
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: If you say the top fifty or one hundred most

910
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: expensive power plants are forced to be kept open and

911
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: sold even when the companies that own them want to

912
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: close them, you're going to skew that market. So there's

913
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: enough out Pardon me, there's enough out there that we

914
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 1: don't need to tamper with if we need to do

915
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: what the State of Ohio did earlier this year. Sit

916
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: of Ohio deserves some credit. Is leaned into market competition,

917
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: technology neutral. It doesn't try to pick winners and losers

918
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: about which fuel source. It says, we're not going to

919
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: have regulated generation. We do want to expand power production

920
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: so that we have affordable The keyword is affordable energy

921
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: to power our economy. And we're going to let the

922
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: investors in the free market competition do its job, which

923
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: means when an investor.

924
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 11: Takes a risk on a plant, if they if they

925
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 11: messed up, the losses on them, the loss doesn't get

926
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 11: forced to be paid for by consumers, which is what

927
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 11: regulated monopolies do.

928
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: So basically, the federal GOVERMN is trying to turn back

929
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: the clock to a regulated monopoly style of power supply

930
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: decision making. We don't need that today. We've got all

931
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: kinds of technology that can be a better solution. I

932
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: like to say engineers are smart. People are smart if

933
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: you can just get the legal and the financial out

934
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: of the way of the inventors and the engineers. We

935
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: could do all kinds of cool new solutions, but it's

936
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: hard to get past legal.

937
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: And there's a match of factors.

938
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: It's Tom Bullock, Executive Director of Citizens Utility Board of Ohio.

939
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 2: Because of the high demand that we're facing when it

940
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: comes to our electrical grid and power and the choke point,

941
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: which of course is demand and we don't have transmission

942
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: and supply.

943
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: That's going to drive closs up.

944
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: And we're adding more and more infrastructure in the forums

945
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: while you know people buying electric cars plugging this in.

946
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: But the big one is data centers in AI and

947
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: we're putting plants all over, including Butler County, that just

948
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: need a tremendous amount of energy and resources for that.

949
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: Water is another great example of that thing too, and

950
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: now maybe not in our scope here, but some data

951
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: centers consume up to five million gallons of water a day.

952
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: That's about enough for a town of about fifty thousand people,

953
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: which is an incredible amount of resources dedicated to keeping

954
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: power that little thing in our hands. Right with AI

955
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: and infrastrate and information the data center right, a tremendous

956
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: amount of power is also.

957
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: Be We should also be careful some of This is

958
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: data center speculation. It's a bubble that converse. And some

959
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: of these data center companies are planning to build one

960
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: or two data centers, but they're filing redundant applications in

961
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: the Great Plain States, in our region, in the Northeast,

962
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: in the Southeast, and they're racing to figure out who

963
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: gets gives them their permit first. So they're not building ten,

964
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: they're only building two. And all of us are scrambling

965
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 1: and saying, oh my gosh, we have to add all

966
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: this power. So there's an important double checking process that

967
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: we need to do to make sure we're not overbuilding.

968
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: But one consumer who is in Ohio talk to the

969
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: Cleveland plant dealers. Let me get this straight. Data centers

970
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: are increasing my bill today and I didn't do anything

971
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: to invite them here, and yet their costs are already

972
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 1: affecting me. This is one more example of where business

973
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: costs get dumped onto Bob and Betty Buckeye and they

974
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: privatize the games.

975
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 2: Well, real quick, Tom, what's happening with for example, you

976
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 2: mentioned you know they're getting pulling permits and getting ready

977
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: to bid. What's going on the Columbus Intel plant, Because

978
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 2: that's still not where they promised to be. This part

979
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 2: we're pushing operations back another five or six years, are I.

980
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I know that the governor and

981
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: even the White House has been working to continue getting

982
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: INTEL to move forward on the project. There's such enormous

983
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: amounts of money involved that you're going to have to

984
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: have some federal supports for what called the Chips Act.

985
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: But that was a change between the previous administration the

986
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: current one. So I tend to think that it's important

987
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: for Ohio to pursue and implement these kinds of facilities.

988
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: But you also for you know, we speak for small

989
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: residential consumers. So the points you've been making in this

990
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: conversational longer than good ones, which is, as you build

991
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: these very large factories for very large ener consumers, kind

992
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: of make sure the way that the grid infrastructure is

993
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: paid for doesn't get dumped onto the neighbors. It's like,

994
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, dump your leaves over your back fence into

995
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: your neighbor's yard. But that financially happens all the time

996
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: in the world of utilities, and it shouldn't happen. So

997
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: that's why groups like ours try to speak up for

998
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: the little little guy.

999
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: How hard is it too, Tom? Because it's always there

1000
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: is the effort to get cleaner power, and we need

1001
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 2: more and more of it. Is it odds with infrastructure

1002
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 2: holding infrastructure because there's right of ways? I mean, look

1003
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 2: what happened with the Keystone XL pipeline getting shut down.

1004
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: It's a lot more efficient, easier and safer than taking

1005
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: all of that fuel that we need and putting out

1006
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: on railcars or they can. You know, look what happened

1007
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 2: in Ohio, not just a few handful of years ago,

1008
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: and that's transporting stuff over rail, which is a lot

1009
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: more dangerous and efficient in the system. What about the

1010
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: environmental pushback from all this? Is that slowing things up

1011
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: at that that's costs money?

1012
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think there are land used

1013
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: questions anytime you do power infrastructure, and that's also true

1014
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: if you build a subdivision or a shopping wall. Government

1015
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: has to be thoughtful about how it balances those competing

1016
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 1: interest between the new development and the neighbors. Clean energy

1017
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 1: like wind and solar is increasingly the cheapest on the market.

1018
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: If you marry it up with battery storage, then it

1019
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: can provide you more of around the clock twenty four

1020
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: cent solution, especially if you think of it not at

1021
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: one store or one house, but on an average across

1022
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: a statewide region. So if you think of Ohio, Illinois,

1023
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: Indiana together, the wind is always blowing somewhere and the

1024
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: sun is always shining somewhere. So at the aggregate, you

1025
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: could add a lot of inexpensive power to add to

1026
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: the mix of more expensive power sources than are traditional

1027
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: baseload like nuclear or natural gas. But what you have

1028
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: to do is let one hundred companies or a thousand

1029
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: companies make their everyday economic decisions and investment decisions, and

1030
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: collectively that market will be more intelligent and less expensive

1031
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: than a governor or a president try to put his

1032
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: or her thumb on the scale, you know. I mean,

1033
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: it's amazing to me that we have to even explain

1034
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: this in a country that's supposed to be a free

1035
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: market capitalist, but.

1036
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: Depend complain about socialism practice socialism themselves. The people who

1037
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: like socialism want more socialism.

1038
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: Well, there's some truth to what you just said, and

1039
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: there's a hypocrisy in all directions. And all of us

1040
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: live in glass houses, so I should be careful about

1041
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: the stones I throw but I guess because the prices

1042
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: are going up. There's a survey that said so from

1043
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: last week national survey, thirty four percent of Americans take

1044
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: electricity prices are a major concern. That's high. Think it's

1045
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: a minor concern. This is on our radar and it's

1046
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: not going to go away. And yes, data centers are

1047
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: kind of the first stage of forcing prices up, but

1048
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: there's all these other pressures. For the next twenty years,

1049
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be increasingly concerned, So we're

1050
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: going to be spending more time thinking about it. You

1051
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: do have solutions on your end. You can insulate your

1052
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: home air seal with a cacking gun. That's nineteen forties.

1053
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: Technology that's not new, are expensive. You just got to

1054
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: do it. But none of us do that perfectly, but

1055
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: we can help results. And then new technology is not

1056
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: everything has to be a giant megaplant. You could do

1057
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 1: something on your home or business. There's medium tier facilities

1058
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: we're working on. So let's say it's on twenty acres

1059
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: forty acres or an industrial roof. You could put solar,

1060
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: or you could do part solar, part battery, part natural gas,

1061
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: like a microgrid hybrid system. And then it can be

1062
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: back up emergency power for a facility or a factory

1063
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: that has to run it all.

1064
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 2: But Tom a little bit about that business. That's an

1065
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: expensive outlay, and sometimes you know, you get an agreement

1066
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: where they put it on quote unquote for free. But

1067
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 2: the big on that what you're paying an interest base

1068
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: of the payback is pretty extreme. That might be good

1069
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: if you have that upfront cash or the math works

1070
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: for you, but right now, for most people that doesn't.

1071
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: Well, if you're talking about a business, it's probably easier

1072
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: to get there, true, and it depends if your business

1073
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: is energy intents of like many family owned businesses in

1074
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: Ohio or manufacturing businesses where energy is their second most

1075
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: expensive category after labor, so they pay very careful attention

1076
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: already to that. So you're right, some businesses it'll be

1077
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: easier to get there than others. Hospitals are a good use.

1078
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: Even school systems that have let's say five elementary schools,

1079
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: two middle schools in a high school, you can aggregate

1080
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: all that power draw and then feed it with a

1081
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: virtual net metering system that might be in the next

1082
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: county over. So I think what you'll find is even

1083
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: if you don't power all of the needs. You could

1084
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: do a portion of it, and then that gives you

1085
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: a long term, low price, stable contract, and so your

1086
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: financial people can say, we're in a better position to

1087
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: have control over our bills and our risk and we

1088
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: can plan for the future better. Some of the power

1089
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: will buy from the traditional grid, but some will get

1090
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: from these other systems, so you have options and nobody

1091
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: should be forced to do this. But I kind of

1092
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: do think we're going to enter a new era where

1093
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 1: we're thinking more about electricity that we try.

1094
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: My fear is tom My favor I amount of time.

1095
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: But my fear is there's going to be, like anything

1096
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: we don't do anything.

1097
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: Proactive, we do it reactively.

1098
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: There's going to be some sort of energy nine to

1099
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 2: eleven where our grid shutdown, will be in a crisis

1100
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 2: before anyone goes man, we got to do something about this.

1101
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 2: That's just what we do in America.

1102
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 3: I think we bridge until Yeah, exactly, we.

1103
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: Need a light at this intersection because some kids are

1104
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: going to get hit on their bike. Don't worry about

1105
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 2: a kid gets on the bike. Politicians out there, why

1106
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 2: don't we have a stoplight? I think I'm a big

1107
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: proponent and fascinated by many nuclear reactors, small nuclear reactors

1108
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 2: to power those AI facilities just have it on board.

1109
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 2: And the problem, of course, I think House Bill six

1110
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: and the first energy scandal ruined nuclear in the state

1111
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: of Ohio.

1112
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: I would I would say there's still possibilities there. It's

1113
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: very expensive, but there could be some business use cases

1114
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: for it, including the data centers. Yeah, it's kind of

1115
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: always like, well, twenty years in the future it'll be

1116
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: it'll be ready. Maybe it's ten years in the future,

1117
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: we'll see, I mean, all options on the table. But

1118
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: some of these data centers may indeed be a good

1119
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: category for using that. I'm hearing three Mile Island in

1120
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: New York is going to be reopened by the end

1121
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: of the data center something like that. So so some

1122
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: of those super intensive, high price, and they've got to

1123
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: have the power and they can't risk their grid cutting

1124
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: out of them, they may do things like that.

1125
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 7: That's fascinating.

1126
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: I mean to send it in that direction that you

1127
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: could have a reactor the size of I don't know,

1128
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 2: a filing cabinet or a toaster, and that would power

1129
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 2: a subdivision or a fact or something along those lines,

1130
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: and that's essentially send it back into the company that

1131
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: makes and get a new one, kind of like a

1132
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 2: battery pack. But Tom Bullock exactly Director of Citizens, You

1133
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 2: Telly Bordabill have the and keep the coal plants open

1134
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: because of the demand, and we don't have altered solutions. We

1135
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 2: got to wait for the sky to fall before we

1136
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: do anything. I think that is the too long. Didn't

1137
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: read versions of this conversation, but I appreciate your time

1138
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: again this morning.

1139
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 3: Time. Thanks again.

1140
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: Let's talk some more. Thank you.

1141
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: As we speak, we've got another cold snap about to begin,

1142
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: which means even more energy costs for me and you.

1143
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 3: Scott's Loan Show seven hundred WLW.

1144
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 12: Helping you navigate the rocky path the fulfilling employment.

1145
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 7: Here's our career, Julie Bouki.

1146
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: Girl is here from god knows where she scented her

1147
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 2: cheeks today, but she's somewhere fun, that's for sure. Our

1148
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 2: career Shirpa who works hard and plays hard Julie Bouki

1149
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: on the show. Welcome Jules, how are you?

1150
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 6: Good morning?

1151
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: Great, good morning. It's that kind of reluctantly. We've talked about.

1152
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: This in the past. We'll start with something local here.

1153
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 2: We've talked about this in the past, and when an

1154
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 2: employer tells you we're family, we're but we're family, you

1155
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: should probably well, I don't know, run, but go No,

1156
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 2: this is business. I already have a family.

1157
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1158
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:08,959
Speaker 2: I go to bring this up because that was brought

1159
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: up in this case recently settled for over one and

1160
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: a half million dollars for some seven hundred plus employees

1161
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 2: in Jeff Ruby Culinary Entertainment class action suit. And that's

1162
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: not uncommon in the cutthroat world of food and beverage.

1163
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: Let's just say what it is.

1164
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: It's a whole different that's a whole different job model

1165
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: there than what we usually talk about. But the impetus

1166
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: for the class action suit for some seven hundred employees

1167
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: was that they weren't paid tips they earned one owed

1168
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: as much as nineteen thousand dollars. In addition to that,

1169
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 2: by paying out some of the tips to back house

1170
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: employees who aren't eligible, they also were claimed they were

1171
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: they failed to pay the minimum wage for time spent

1172
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 2: doing prep work meaning before you open your role in

1173
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: silverware and napkins, you know, clean and boosts, slight and bread,

1174
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 2: getting ready for service and they claimed they were paid

1175
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: the rate of a tipped employee, when in fact it

1176
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: should have been out and they wound up settling for

1177
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: over a million and a half dollars. It's in the

1178
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: foot and beverage is kind of an outlier basically because

1179
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 2: it is a tipped environment. It seems like things that

1180
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: happen in food and restaurant legally or otherwise. It's just

1181
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 2: different than the rest of the working world.

1182
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is because and we can argue all day

1183
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 6: about whether tippings should be a thing or not, or

1184
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 6: whether emplawyers should pay more. But the fact of the

1185
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 6: matter is when you've got a restaurant that you've got

1186
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 6: people in the back, maybe and there is a way

1187
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 6: to split tips with people in the back, but there

1188
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 6: have to be certain standards met before that goes into action. Right,

1189
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 6: And so this loss said, just like you said, you

1190
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 6: were splitting her tips illegally with the people in the

1191
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 6: back in the back, and then you also were not

1192
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 6: paying us what we should have been paid more like,

1193
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 6: in other words, we're rolling napkins for two dollars now

1194
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 6: or whatever. And it's yes, I mean, it is certainly

1195
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 6: the administration in the back room, the operations of a restaurant.

1196
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 6: It is probably just so difficult to keep up with

1197
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 6: in terms of making sure you're doing everything right because

1198
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 6: the law has changed constantly. People are coming and go on.

1199
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 6: They might be coming in an hour early. How do

1200
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 6: we pay them for that? But this lawsuit shows that

1201
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 6: you have to stay on top of the stuff.

1202
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and granted, let me interject to granted, I think it.

1203
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: You know, this isn't the you know, the Chinese buffet.

1204
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 2: You're not working line somewhere and you know, okay, I'm

1205
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 2: not going to get you know, you're getting pretty good

1206
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 2: tips at Ruby's, and so you're making extremely good money

1207
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 2: for server. That said, there's the law and that's what

1208
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: you're talking about.

1209
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and so I think in these cases, in

1210
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 6: these types of industries, you have to have a special

1211
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 6: diligence and really really pay attention in the first time

1212
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 6: somebody complains and says, well, wait a minute, you had

1213
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 6: me come in three hours early to do this, and

1214
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 6: you paid me a tipped person's hourly wage, which might

1215
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 6: be just a few bucks. We need to correct that

1216
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 6: the minute somebody brings that to you. As an owner

1217
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 6: or a leader of an organization, you absolutely have to

1218
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 6: get someone involved and look into it. Are they correct,

1219
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 6: and if they are, you have to correct that. It's

1220
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 6: just I don't care if you feel like your people

1221
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 6: make enough in tips that they shouldn't complain about this,

1222
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 6: or you feel like we're a family, or we give

1223
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 6: you extra food to take home, or so you shouldn't

1224
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 6: complain about this entirely separate issue. You're mixing apples and

1225
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 6: oranges here. And if you've got somebody who feels like

1226
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 6: and it looks like it was found that this person

1227
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 6: missed out on up to nineteen thousand dollars in tips,

1228
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 6: that's significance. That's you can't We talk about engaged workers,

1229
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 6: how they will often go above and beyond help out

1230
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 6: when they really don't have to, and that's all well

1231
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 6: and good, but it goes to a point. And if

1232
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 6: it's to the point that people are coming in and

1233
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 6: they're doing work for you and they are not getting

1234
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 6: paid what they should be getting paid, pulling out the

1235
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 6: well we're family and blah blah blah. One hundred and

1236
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 6: twenty seven people jumped on this class act and lawsuits

1237
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 6: and you you know, and so you know a lot

1238
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 6: when there's smoke there's some sort of fire and yes, ever,

1239
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 6: you know, I'm sure you could dig into every business

1240
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 6: in town and you buy something to be addressed. But

1241
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 6: the trick is, as a leader, when someone brings it

1242
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 6: up the first time, do get in there, figure it

1243
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 6: out and fix it, and don't let it get to

1244
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 6: the point where you've got one hundred and twenty five

1245
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 6: people saying yeah, me too, right, and it's yeah.

1246
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ruby's is making headlines for this, But again it's

1247
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 2: it's I don't know, common, but it feels like it's

1248
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 2: kind of common in food and the food and beverages.

1249
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 2: I heard some from servers that there's another place, not Rubies, somewhere,

1250
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: but they were like, and you're always trying to find

1251
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: ways to try and put more money to the bottom

1252
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 2: line because the margins are so ridiculously thin. And food

1253
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: and beverage that they were taking. I think like if

1254
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 2: someone paid with a credit card, they would adoc the

1255
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 2: server like two percent because that was their share of

1256
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 2: you know, the credit card payment for the credit card.

1257
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: Compani's got to take credit card com and the house

1258
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: would for the meal would take there. But you know,

1259
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 2: it's it just goes to show you just how narrow

1260
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 2: and thin the margins are in the restaurant industry, and

1261
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 2: they're always looking for a way to put a little

1262
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: bit more towards the bottom line.

1263
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 3: So not surprising.

1264
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure there'll be other stories in the future, maybe

1265
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: not necessarily with Jeff Ruby, but other you know, other

1266
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 2: purveyors that they try to do that well hopefully.

1267
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 6: And when a lawsuit like this comes out and they

1268
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,959
Speaker 6: have to put a million and a half dollars into

1269
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 6: a fund to pay it back, told me they didn't

1270
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 6: take care of it along the way when it first

1271
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 6: came up. They didn't look into it, they didn't shut

1272
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 6: it down, they didn't they didn't provide proof that they

1273
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 6: were paying people the right way. And so you just

1274
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 6: look at this and say, well, maybe this will be

1275
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 6: a wake up call to other restaurants to say, we

1276
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 6: need to make sure we've got you know, we've got

1277
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 6: our house in order when it comes to how we'll

1278
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 6: pull our people.

1279
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but that is the that's the nature.

1280
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: I mean how they just closed Lempika and that seven

1281
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: threet location because of well crime and other things that

1282
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: were happening downtown. So you know, they definitely feeling the

1283
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: squeez at Rubies for sure, But again if you're in

1284
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 2: that that line of work ever and so looking for

1285
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: an angle for sure. So it's a lot different than

1286
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 2: what'll we usually talk about on that Julie Bouki survey

1287
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 2: came out said most employees said that they planned to

1288
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: stay at their jobs in twenty twenty six because of

1289
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 2: the job climb and economic climate. But you also have

1290
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 2: burnout and layoffs and workers are concerned. And almost six

1291
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: out of ten said their salaries are not keeping up

1292
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: with inflation. And that feels about right, But yet people

1293
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 2: are not wanting to leave. Doesn't that give employees significant

1294
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: advantage to beat the hell out of you?

1295
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 6: Well, it kind of does, you know, I'm looking at

1296
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 6: what are employers predicting that the average salary increase in

1297
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 6: twenty twenty six will be. It's not nothing, and it's

1298
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 6: not significantly lower than other years. It's about three two

1299
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 6: three zero point two to three and a half percent.

1300
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 6: People look at that and say, yeah, but that doesn't

1301
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 6: help me keep up with rising prices and all the

1302
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 6: other things that I'm pressured with. And if on top

1303
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 6: of that, promotion is being held off, if you are

1304
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 6: being given more responsible ability Let's say that you are

1305
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 6: doing one job, they lay off several people, and you

1306
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 6: end up with your job doubling, with your job responsibilities

1307
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 6: doubling or increasing by a third, and you're getting a

1308
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 6: three percent increase. What that does is it not only

1309
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 6: has that financial pressure on you, but it's the mental

1310
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 6: pressure as well. We weren't meant to do the jobs

1311
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 6: of multiple people for long periods of time, but when

1312
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 6: there's when there is an economy like we're in right now,

1313
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 6: employers will use that as a reason say, well, we

1314
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 6: can't really afford to hire anyone now we laid off

1315
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 6: half the department. So you guys, wow, aren't you glad

1316
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 6: you have a job? You need to be grateful and

1317
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 6: step up and pick up the slack. And we get

1318
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 6: so like, okay, okay, yeah, I'll do that because we're

1319
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 6: so afraid of losing our job that we will do

1320
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 6: anything or ask to do just to not be unemployed.

1321
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 6: And that does not come without costs.

1322
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: I promise you.

1323
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 6: You're not getting the best out of your people if

1324
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 6: you're putting them in a situation where they can't win,

1325
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 6: where they can't get all their work done, whether the

1326
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 6: constantly under pressure where they're burnt out where they're calling

1327
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 6: in sick, where they you know, you're not getting the best,

1328
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 6: and so I think sometimes we are, you know, dollars

1329
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 6: chasing pennies when it comes to how we look at

1330
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 6: our people. And then of course everyone always loves it

1331
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 6: when it comes out as the CEO got some big bonus,

1332
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 6: which you know, yeah.

1333
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: Right, well, I mean that's again nature of the business, right,

1334
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, we want to hold on our jobs because

1335
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: they're worried about this economy right now, and I wonder

1336
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 2: how employeers get to squeeze you even more. And then,

1337
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 2: of course, you know, when we had that brief period,

1338
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like that long ago Julie with COVID

1339
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 2: and everything, where employees had the upper hand. Business off

1340
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 2: were screaming about, well, that's not fair. It's cyclical.

1341
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 3: It's what it is.

1342
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 2: How are people not showing up to job interviews and

1343
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: they're not showing up for work on their first day

1344
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 2: because they got a better offer?

1345
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 3: How dare they do that? And now they're going to

1346
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 3: be punitive.

1347
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 6: In this Yeah, you know, the pendulums wings back and forth,

1348
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 6: and anytime it's swinging, there's bad behavior on both sides

1349
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:01,960
Speaker 6: of things. I love this statement I was in this

1350
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 6: article I was reading. It says the workforce has largely

1351
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 6: accepted uncertainty as a constant. And I think that is

1352
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 6: a fair statement, and I think uncertainty is a constant.

1353
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 6: It is never going back to like it was in

1354
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 6: the seventies and eighties. And so what people are doing

1355
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 6: is taking side hubles what else can I do and

1356
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 6: what else can we do as a family to bring

1357
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 6: in more money? And they're again great, but there is

1358
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 6: a cost to that, and part of that cost is

1359
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 6: to mental health, emotional health, but it also comes at

1360
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,640
Speaker 6: the cost of maybe less than great performance in their

1361
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 6: primary job. You're not dealing with robots. We're actually dealing

1362
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 6: with human beings who do have a breaking point. And

1363
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 6: your best people, the people who are contributing at the

1364
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 6: highest level, those are the ones that will always have

1365
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 6: the best options. And so you have to be really

1366
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 6: careful if you're swinging that stick too hard, because someone

1367
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 6: else will come in and say, hey, how about we

1368
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 6: bring you over here, we give you a raise, because

1369
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 6: not all employers are suffering, and we you know, we

1370
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 6: only we only have you do one job? How about that? Like, yes, please, yes,

1371
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 6: there can I have another get me out of here?

1372
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 6: And yeah, So we will see some movement. It's just

1373
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 6: going to be more thoughtful movement, and people will because

1374
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 6: there are people are afraid that if I take a job,

1375
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 6: it's going to be last in, first out, you know.

1376
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but if I go over there poll. But

1377
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 6: let's remember it's about value. If you go in and

1378
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 6: you're adding value right away, we are in a value

1379
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 6: based We are moving toward a value based situation. Versus

1380
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 6: I've been here ten years and I'm kind of a

1381
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 6: C player versus I've been here a year and I'm

1382
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 6: an A player. They're going to keep the A player.

1383
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and you're also probably paying that person last too,

1384
01:08:47,400 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

1385
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 3: Well that's not factors.

1386
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,879
Speaker 2: And how much is the new back to office restriction

1387
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 2: be speaking the employer having the advantage. We're all moving

1388
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 2: back to office now because they have the upper hand here,

1389
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: so you don't have the lee way of going, well,

1390
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 2: you know, we just want to buy, We want you,

1391
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 2: and if you want to work from home, go ahead.

1392
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 2: Well that's all changing too, and it's largely because of

1393
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here.

1394
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 6: Right, Well, it isn't it isn't. I think it's again,

1395
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 6: it's the pendulum is swinging back the other way. I

1396
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 6: think we are we are, mark my words, we are

1397
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,519
Speaker 6: never going back to one hundred percent rto everywhere in

1398
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 6: the office, all the time, everywhere.

1399
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 5: We just aren't.

1400
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 6: And I'll take everybody is Jeff Ruby's for launch if

1401
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:31,120
Speaker 6: we do enough, well tip, We're just not. And so

1402
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 6: in every single environment, even in environments where it says

1403
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 6: we're one hundred percent were turned to the office, No

1404
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 6: they're not, absolutely not. I talk to people all the

1405
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 6: time who work in companies where the leadership has come

1406
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 6: out and said we're rto everybody back, and people like, yeah,

1407
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 6: I'm in two days a week. It's like, you know,

1408
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 6: let's bluster. But there's exceptions being made left and right

1409
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 6: all over the place for top performers, for jobs that

1410
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 6: really truly need zero in our office, in office interaction,

1411
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 6: and for people who say, go ahead, make me come

1412
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 6: back in the office, but know that you know I'm

1413
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 6: going to leave. And if you are a very strong

1414
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 6: performer and hard to replace, you have that hand. You

1415
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 6: have some hand there.

1416
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 2: Julie Balki our career sure on the Scotslan Show. Every

1417
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 2: Wednesday morning talking about jobs and everything related here too,

1418
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: in case you're just joining.

1419
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 3: Study came out.

1420
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 2: Most employees said, well, we plan on staying at our

1421
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 2: jobs this year in twenty twenty six, but burnout and

1422
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 2: layoffs are concerned the economy. You know, are layoffs coming,

1423
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 2: and when employees hear that that you're going to stay,

1424
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: the chances of you getting a raise or are the

1425
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 2: rays you want anywhere probably pretty slim. I mean the employers,

1426
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 2: they're gonna have to hand out some money. You're gonna

1427
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,440
Speaker 2: have to get a raise right in most places.

1428
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean there will be some sort of something,

1429
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 6: whether it's just a token three percent. But anytime you

1430
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 6: are giving out increases and you aren't focused on giving

1431
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 6: more to your top employees, your top performers, you're going

1432
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 6: to have some turnover. I think you've got to be

1433
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 6: really careful with that performance, with that salary budget. Make

1434
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 6: sure that you're actually recognizing your top performers. And no,

1435
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 6: maybe you can't give them a huge raise, but maybe

1436
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 6: you move it up to five percent and get less

1437
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 6: to people who aren't quite chinning the bar. It's a

1438
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:26,760
Speaker 6: performance based value. What's your value based culture versus a

1439
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 6: longevity culture and a loyalty culture anymore and that works

1440
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 6: on both sides of the table.

1441
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, makes sense. Julie Balki, you can get her at

1442
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 2: Thebalkigroup dot com.

1443
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 3: That's b a UK. She got a whole team ready

1444
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 3: to go to work for you as a.

1445
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 2: Career coach consultant and Shirpa Here on the Scott Sloan Show, Joes,

1446
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 2: have a great week, enjoy. We'll chat again next Wednesday.

1447
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 6: Indeed we will.

1448
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 2: All the best, my friend be well, we've got a

1449
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: news update happening just seconds away here on the Big One.

1450
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,719
Speaker 2: We've got weather moving and that's starting to change. Winners

1451
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: coming back with a vengeance starting feels like it is

1452
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 2: right now. As a matter of facts, the tempature con

1453
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: user drop. Next days are going to be rough.

1454
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 9: Rough.

1455
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 2: Coming up next on the show, he's Kevin Burton from

1456
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 2: Crosstown consulting on a Northern Kentucky and new studies And

1457
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 2: I'm saying new, but Gallop Do's is every year, They've

1458
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 2: been doing it forever. Where voters stand on well, what

1459
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 2: group they belong to, right in which umbrella they're under, left,

1460
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 2: middle or right. The number of independent voters is now

1461
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 2: at an all time high, and yet if you look

1462
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 2: at politics, it doesn't feel that way.

1463
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 3: Why is it?

1464
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 2: What's this mean for the future for both the Democrats

1465
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 2: and Republicans? Just ahead after news on the Home of

1466
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,719
Speaker 2: the Red seven hundred WWT Cincinnati.

1467
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 3: It's only here, this is seven hundred WLW. This is interesting.

1468
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 2: A record high forty five percent of adults in America

1469
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 2: identified as political independence last year, and that number looks

1470
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 2: like it's going to grow this year in twenty twenty six.

1471
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 2: But an equal share of adults now consider themselves twenty

1472
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 2: seven percent Democrat, seven percent Republican of forty five percent independent.

1473
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:04,839
Speaker 3: What the hell does that mean? Actually?

1474
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 2: And the independent percentage has increased in the past fifteen years,

1475
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,639
Speaker 2: or around forty percent, but we haven't seen this level

1476
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 2: like in a long long time. What's driving this whole thing?

1477
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: Joining the show is Polster and political advisor. That'd be

1478
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 2: the legendary Kevin Burton from Crosstown Consulting in Northern Kentucky.

1479
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 5: Ke I doing I'm doing pretty good, Scott, Thank you

1480
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 5: for that introduction.

1481
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the legendary in your legendary at this point, this

1482
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 2: is I mean, I look at this and go okay,

1483
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 2: forty five percent independent. I consider myself that I tend

1484
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 2: to lean to the right, but at the same time

1485
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 2: I'm more libertarian. I'm kind of an amalgamation of different things.

1486
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 2: But I vote with my conscience, not because i want

1487
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 2: to be part of a movement, and I've yet to

1488
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 2: see a movement that I would be part of, because

1489
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 2: I think there's a certain amount of corruption, and also

1490
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 2: a glasshouse is nature, and also having to go against

1491
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 2: some ideals in order to compromise, and maybe I'm a

1492
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 2: little too stubborn to do that. But it seems like

1493
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 2: I'm in the majority here at this point. And what

1494
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 2: does this mean for the Democrats and Republicans? Of twenty

1495
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: seven percent are Democrats twenty seven percent of Republicans. They

1496
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: take up all the oxygen in a room.

1497
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 5: Yes, And the reason why independence have grown is because

1498
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 5: of the primary. So in Kentucky you have a close primary,

1499
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 5: so only DS can vote for D's, only rs can

1500
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 5: vote for ours. Eyes can't do anything. In Ohio, you

1501
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 5: can do something. You know, you can do different things.

1502
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 5: If you're an eye. You can vote to the Democratic primary,

1503
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 5: you can vote to the Republican So each state is different.

1504
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 5: But the primaries always result in the most extremes on

1505
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 5: both sides, and that's why it's driven more independent because

1506
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 5: to win a primary, you're usually looking at ten, twelve,

1507
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 5: fifteen percent turnout in off year elections, which frankly, the

1508
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 5: only people who usually vote on those are people who

1509
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 5: are really riled up, So you're going to have the

1510
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 5: extremes on both sides. So it has pushed more people

1511
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 5: to the middle. Now, when you do campaigns, though, there's

1512
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 5: usually about eight to ten that are completely non leaning,

1513
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 5: and those are the core flippers for independence. How you

1514
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:21,520
Speaker 5: win elections.

1515
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 2: Okay, obviously they're important in the election themselves. Some of

1516
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 2: the old adage about you always campaign to the extremes

1517
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: and you governed from the middle, Well, that that sentiment's

1518
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 2: been gone for a while now, that's not that hasn't

1519
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 2: been true in a while.

1520
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 5: No, oh not at all.

1521
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 3: I mean, which turns more people in independence.

1522
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 2: But again, if that's the way the system is designed,

1523
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,520
Speaker 2: it feels like a fruitless effort.

1524
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: Is it.

1525
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 5: Well it is, and this is where it's kind of

1526
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 5: ironic that the only time both Democrats and Republicans work

1527
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 5: together is to squash any third party. Right, right, we

1528
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 5: talk about.

1529
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 2: We talked about redistrict king in Ohio and Democrats all

1530
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 2: worked up. Well, what about states or Democrats? Well that's different.

1531
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 5: Well, and you know for every California, there's an Alabama

1532
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:14,719
Speaker 5: and vice versa. So you know the bulk of people,

1533
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 5: and you know you hear this with in your communities.

1534
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 5: You know you're at a bar, at a church, ninety

1535
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 5: percent of people just common sense things. And that's what

1536
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 5: you're seeing with forty five percent of people identifying as

1537
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 5: independents and the twenty seven percent you know to an

1538
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 5: R or D, you're really seeing just kind of people

1539
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 5: where I think are just tired of just being tired

1540
01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 5: of politics.

1541
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exhausting.

1542
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, can we just get back to being like, hey,

1543
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 5: I might not agree with you, but it's okay.

1544
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we want to make make politics boring again.

1545
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 5: That that should be the next slogan for anyone, right,

1546
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 5: makes politics boring?

1547
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 2: Make politics you don't talk about religion and politics, Well

1548
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,759
Speaker 2: now we talk about both. And it's exhausting, quite honestly,

1549
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 2: when you start looking at the numbers. Zough inside the

1550
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 2: over forty five almost half the country, for God's sakes,

1551
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 2: call themselves independents and let look where we are when

1552
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 2: it comes to the poop slinging on both sides. Gen

1553
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: z ors, though, in particular, declare their independency much higher

1554
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 2: rate fifty six percent than millennials did when they were

1555
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: that age of forty seven percent. What does that mean

1556
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 2: in the long term?

1557
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 5: Well, okay, so millennials to gen z You also got

1558
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 5: to remember for millennials, for most of them, they were

1559
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 5: in college or high school when Obama came in. So

1560
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 5: like I would take that with a little grain of salt.

1561
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,719
Speaker 5: A lot of gen Zers, you know, they so lean

1562
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 5: or considered themselves a Democrat when push comes the shelf.

1563
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 5: So out of the poll they did forty eight percent

1564
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 5: of them considered themselves a Democrat, considered them Republicans. And

1565
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 5: I say, it's just simply like you see the Bernie Sanders,

1566
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 5: the AOC, the Mindanni wing where frankly they didn't get

1567
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 5: a fair share from the Democratic Party. And I think

1568
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 5: that's why more and more people are just saying, you

1569
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 5: know what, I'm just going to be an independent. And

1570
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:20,759
Speaker 5: on the Republican side, you know, they're that was Trump.

1571
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 5: I mean, Trump didn't feel like he was getting a

1572
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 5: fair shake. In twenty sixteen, which was a lifetime ago,

1573
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 5: but you know, he was an outsider running and I

1574
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,719
Speaker 5: just think people are going.

1575
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:34,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I was gonna say it is, So are Independence

1576
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,440
Speaker 2: basically socialists and misplaced populous?

1577
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 4: Yes?

1578
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, because like when you're running in

1579
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 5: an election, basically both ours and D's they have these

1580
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 5: softwares and they're billion dollars softwares and they basically put

1581
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 5: algorithms and it's way above my pay grade. But there's

1582
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,480
Speaker 5: like one hundred and third thirty sub sections and everything,

1583
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 5: and it'll give you a score. So let's say is

1584
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 5: zero is a conservative, one hundred is a Democrat. So

1585
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 5: it will say if I typed in Scott Sloan, let's

1586
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 5: say your score was twenty seven, that would mean that

1587
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 5: you have a high probability of voting Republican. So when

1588
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:30,679
Speaker 5: you're running these elections, especially with Independence, you look at

1589
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 5: the around ten percent of the independents who really swing

1590
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 5: the elections. Those are the people who you hear, you know,

1591
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 5: they voted Trump, Biden, Trump, Obama, and that's and that's

1592
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 5: where elections are really one. They're one on the margins,

1593
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 5: and that's the margin. The eight to ten percent non

1594
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 5: leaning independence.

1595
01:19:53,200 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 2: You've got your twenty seven percent of hardcore conservatives twenty

1596
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 2: five percent of twenty seven percent hardcore progressives in order

1597
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 2: to tift is that that split you need to draw

1598
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 2: that ten percent?

1599
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 3: Got it?

1600
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1601
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 5: Because out of out of the other thirty five, basically

1602
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 5: you can split that seventeen percent both ways, and they're

1603
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 5: gonna lean to the last, lean to the right. So

1604
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 5: it's all about about that ten percent number. Who really

1605
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 5: decide federal elections?

1606
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:22,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I guess that ten percent is on the

1607
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 2: seesaw going Okay, well, who do I who?

1608
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 3: As opposed to who do I really like?

1609
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 10: Who?

1610
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 2: Who do who do I hate? Least it's the way

1611
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 2: we look at that, And I guess that ten percent.

1612
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: Uh?

1613
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 2: Is that why we will not see or do you

1614
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 2: think we'll never see another two term president again?

1615
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 3: For that reason?

1616
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 2: And I guess I mean, I mean, Konseck, you know,

1617
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 2: Trump's second term technically, but you know Biden was in

1618
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 2: the middle of that, So we just swing back and forth.

1619
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 3: Is that why?

1620
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 10: I mean?

1621
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 5: But also I would say both Trump and Biden are

1622
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 5: kind of outliers. I mean, Biden was going to be

1623
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 5: eighty three years old, and Trump's gonna be, you know,

1624
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 5: the same, and it was cod So I would say,

1625
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 5: let's see one more president before we make that claim,

1626
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 5: because both of them are kind of different from the majority.

1627
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's very, very hard. If you look at

1628
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 5: presidential approvals really since the invention of cable news, but

1629
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:22,759
Speaker 5: really social media, it's almost impossible to stay above fifty

1630
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,799
Speaker 5: percent approval. So it's gonna make it harder and harder

1631
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 5: to govern, and just harder and harder to block out

1632
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 5: the noise.

1633
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:30,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, gotcha.

1634
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,680
Speaker 2: So Trump's first term, we got the anti Trumpers going, hey,

1635
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 2: we need something, we're tired of this guy.

1636
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 3: We brought Biden in.

1637
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 2: Four years later, we got tired of Biden, we brought

1638
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,520
Speaker 2: Trump back, and I'm guessing, you know, with the midterms

1639
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 2: and then three years from now, are we going to

1640
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 2: rebel against the Republicans and vote a Democrat in.

1641
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 5: Well, But that's also the great thing of those country.

1642
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 5: There's checks and balances. Yeah, I mean it is. You know,

1643
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 5: you might not like it, but that's that's how we've

1644
01:21:57,479 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 5: always been and hopefully that's how we always will be.

1645
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 5: You know, when one tide gets too strong, the people

1646
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 5: speak up right and vice versa. So if you ask

1647
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,760
Speaker 5: me today, yes, the midterms would probably look really good

1648
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 5: for the Democrats as of today.

1649
01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 3: And then we'll see what happened. I mean, again, this

1650
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 3: has been one year.

1651
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 2: I can't we have three more years, and it just

1652
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 2: seems like it's getting more and more viral, you know,

1653
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 2: in a sense that we're going at each other even harder,

1654
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,559
Speaker 2: and every day feels like it's a year. As far

1655
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 2: as news goes, there's definitely been a change the last

1656
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 2: number of years relative to that. And Trump, of course,

1657
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 2: is a whirlwind of activities, always doing something. Certainly every

1658
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,799
Speaker 2: day there's something new, for sure, and either you're excited

1659
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 2: by that or turned off by it, but everyone definitely

1660
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 2: has an opinion on it. I look at the general

1661
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:45,560
Speaker 2: racial breakdowns. Gen Zer fifty six percent identifies independence, Millennials

1662
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 2: a majority Gen X my generation forty plus percent identifies independence.

1663
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 2: When you get downe to the Baby Boomers silent generation,

1664
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: it's right around thirty three percent. How much does that change?

1665
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 2: It just seems like the older you get, the more

1666
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 2: accepting you become of a party. And maybe you know

1667
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 2: what this whole identity politic thing where people will not

1668
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,600
Speaker 2: question the person they voted for even if it's a contradiction,

1669
01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: they won't point that out. In many ways, that seems

1670
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 2: the case just as the older you get, the more

1671
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 2: sent in the ways you are and you want to

1672
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:18,120
Speaker 2: be part of that community. And does that change with

1673
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,480
Speaker 2: future generations where their identity isn't politics.

1674
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:23,800
Speaker 5: Well, but you also got to remember, if you're a

1675
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 5: baby boomer or definitely a silent generation, you really grew

1676
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 5: up in a whole different world. You didn't have twenty

1677
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 5: four to seven news for the longest time, the Internet

1678
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 5: you didn't really have, and definitely non social media. So

1679
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 5: I think, you know, social media in the twenty four

1680
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:46,520
Speaker 5: hour news has just changed everything. It's made politics a constant,

1681
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 5: you know, I think going forward. I mean, so when

1682
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 5: you're running an election, generally speaking, I always tell people

1683
01:23:59,160 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 5: to kind of block out people sixty and above if

1684
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 5: they're an independent or a Democrat or a Republican, because

1685
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 5: their minds are already made up. If you've voted eight

1686
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 5: straight elections for one party, it's gonna be really really

1687
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 5: hard to try to convince you to switch because you're

1688
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 5: kind of set in your way. Yeah, I mean, you know,

1689
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 5: we can't teach an old dog new trick. Sorry, Well people,

1690
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 5: well you look at brand loyalty. I mean, you know

1691
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 5: that that has died. That died some time ago too.

1692
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 2: With younger generations, you know, used to be like, I'm

1693
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 2: a tied man, I'm a Republican man, I'm a you

1694
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:36,559
Speaker 2: know whatever it might be.

1695
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 3: Younger people don't have those.

1696
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 5: Loyalties unless it's say an iPhone. That's about it.

1697
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true.

1698
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and that's more of a cost issue

1699
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 2: than anything, because you know, if you decide I'm going Android,

1700
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 2: your tablet, your laptop, your desktop, your handheld, your mobile,

1701
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 2: all that stuff is now you got to swap it

1702
01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 2: all up. He's Kevin Burton Polster of Northern Kentucky here,

1703
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 2: and we're talking about a new study that came out

1704
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 2: from Gallup.

1705
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 3: They do this every year.

1706
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 2: A record high forty five percent of US adults identify

1707
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 2: as political independence. In the past year, twenty seven percent

1708
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 2: each NFL themselves as Democrats or Republicans. And that that

1709
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 2: middle part, that independent part, becomes critical in elections, he said,

1710
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 2: about ten percent ten percent will decide the election either way,

1711
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 2: which is why we go back and forth the days

1712
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 2: of FDR where we have multiple terms. Feel like that is,

1713
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 2: it's definitely in the past unless something else changes too.

1714
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 2: Taking into account America's party identification, as I match out

1715
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 2: the twenty seven percent forty seven percent identified as Democrats

1716
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 2: or said they're a independent, it's forty two percent with

1717
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 2: the Republicans. That's a three years I think that broke

1718
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: a three year stretch in which Republicans held an edge

1719
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 2: in party affiliation. Is that something that also changes or

1720
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: is the Republican party in decline and once the Democrats

1721
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 2: take power at some point that just swings the other way.

1722
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 5: I mean, it's I mean, the Republicans are in charge now,

1723
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 5: and that's why, you know, I mean, people always it's

1724
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 5: the backup quarterback syndrome. You know, if things aren't going well,

1725
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 5: you're always yearning for the backup quarterback. And then once

1726
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 5: the backup quarterback comes in, you're like, well, there's a

1727
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 5: reason why I didn't want him in the first place. So,

1728
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:20,679
Speaker 5: I mean, that's just a give and take of you know, leading,

1729
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 5: it's so impossible now to actually get above fifty percent

1730
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 5: in party registration or approval. You know, you go back

1731
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 5: to George W. Bush right after nine to eleven, he

1732
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 5: had an eighty seven percent approval rating. That's on I

1733
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,679
Speaker 5: can't even press about that now.

1734
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that was probably at the time, and

1735
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,719
Speaker 2: oh my god, you know, because Lincoln had a probably

1736
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 2: a bad example of Washington, for example, had a ninety

1737
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 2: nine percent. Yeah, and no, that makes sense too, because

1738
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 2: as divided as we are, the conservative ideology advantage is

1739
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 2: shrunk to just say points, that's the smallest ever. And

1740
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,639
Speaker 2: again I think that's just indicates what you're talking about here.

1741
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 3: And I don't know.

1742
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 2: If that I think it could be though, that Trump

1743
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 2: is redefining what conservative means. I'm not even sure what

1744
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 2: conservative means anymore.

1745
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you know it doesn't mean the small

1746
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 5: governor no small government, because exactly so. But you know,

1747
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 5: Democrats have really had to come to Jesus meeting kind

1748
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 5: of this last year. You know, it was a really

1749
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 5: bad messaging point for you saying, you know, Trump is

1750
01:27:32,200 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 5: a threat of democracy when you didn't even have a primary.

1751
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 5: And I think that's the number one reason why Trump won,

1752
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 5: because you took away they're not the number one thing

1753
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:49,400
Speaker 5: to use against him when you didn't allow an open primary.

1754
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, where does social media go from here? In the

1755
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 2: digital Agency mentioned information fragmentation, declining trust, and institutions like

1756
01:27:56,760 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 2: journalism that will also fuel the end identification.

1757
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's the I think irony is that

1758
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 5: as we've gotten more educated, we're actually headed more towards

1759
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 5: like another dark age, you know. I also do think

1760
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 5: there's a little bit of kind of a pushback, especially

1761
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 5: with millennials and gen Z. I don't really see a

1762
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 5: lot of millennials on Facebook anymore, right, I feel like

1763
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 5: that time kind of passed for them, you know, in

1764
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 5: a lot of ways. I wonder in you know, fifteen

1765
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 5: twenty years, when we look at the effects of social media,

1766
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,879
Speaker 5: how people looked at the cigarette companies in the nineties

1767
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,839
Speaker 5: or the early two thousands, the effects that it's done.

1768
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 2: Right, it's just so the the polars and camps even more,

1769
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 2: you know, it's declining to some degree.

1770
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1771
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 2: As an aside here, I have a family members they

1772
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 2: moved recently, and one of their neighbors and the first

1773
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,799
Speaker 2: question of their mouse was are you Republican? Because everybody

1774
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 2: on the streets Republican. And he used to be like, oh,

1775
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 2: we're Catholic? Are you Catholic? You know, where did you

1776
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 2: go to high school?

1777
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 3: Things?

1778
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 2: Like that, and now it's it's probably been that way

1779
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 2: for a while, but I think that's kind of interesting,

1780
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 2: Like that's that's the whole identity, right, is I'm a

1781
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 2: Republican or I'm I'm a progressive whatever. It might be

1782
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 2: more Republicans than progressives here in Cincinnati, but you get

1783
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 2: the idea.

1784
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 5: Well, and you even see that now people will be like, well,

1785
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 5: I don't want to watch this actor or listen to

1786
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 5: this thing. It's like, as long as they're doing to

1787
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 5: commit a crime, like r Kelly or P Diddy, Like

1788
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 5: I think, I think you're all right. You can disagree

1789
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 5: with him, but if they still make good art, like

1790
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 5: just go with it.

1791
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1792
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well like back when Senator John Kerry right and

1793
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 2: Teresa Hines Kerry and people were boycotting Heinz ketchup on

1794
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 2: my look. Yeah, I don't go to the politics, but

1795
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:50,679
Speaker 2: the only ketchup in the world is Heines ketchup.

1796
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, There's a lot I would put up before

1797
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 3: boycott Heinz ketchup.

1798
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:56,559
Speaker 5: Uh.

1799
01:29:56,680 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 2: He is a Kevin Burton Polster advisor with Crosstown Consultant

1800
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 2: in Northern Kentucky.

1801
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 3: All the best thanks to the Inside appreciate you, thank you.

1802
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 5: Scott.

1803
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 2: Just ahead after a news update, Sarah, Lisa's here from

1804
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:09,599
Speaker 2: the end. It's a snort report. We'll get some sports,

1805
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 2: We'll get some snorts, We'll get some social media. I'd

1806
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 2: imagine some Bengals talk, maybe some Reds talk, some Miami talk.

1807
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 2: Not a lot of uc an ex.

1808
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 3: At this point. Let's just call it what it is.

1809
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 2: Scott's loan show continues on seven hundred W World.

1810
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 9: That's right, what.

1811
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 10: Okay?

1812
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 2: Snort faces here, Sarah les from Sports of all snorts?

1813
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 9: How's your wife be doing? She did good?

1814
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 3: She got a Brandon knee, got another knee?

1815
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 9: Another one?

1816
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 3: Third one?

1817
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:52,000
Speaker 9: Is it really a third?

1818
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 3: Wow?

1819
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 9: Like did the first not take?

1820
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 5: Or?

1821
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 9: What's going on here?

1822
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 3: Sunday?

1823
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:58,759
Speaker 2: I picked to the family because you know, in rural Ohio,

1824
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:00,120
Speaker 2: because they need update on the knee.

1825
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 3: I sent her a picture. I said, hed a, I

1826
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 3: make at a third leg?

1827
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 7: Oh no idea?

1828
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 3: What was going on?

1829
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 9: So I don't know what happened.

1830
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 3: We brought her in and like they put a third

1831
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 3: leg on her.

1832
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: Woa.

1833
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 3: The old people, they.

1834
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 9: Fall for the AI stuff all the time.

1835
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 3: Good.

1836
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 8: If I send that to my mom, I know your

1837
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 8: minds mind the other knee back at Christmas, ready to go,

1838
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 8: starting deer off hot with another one.

1839
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 9: I saw the pup was taking care of her. I'm

1840
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 9: at least somebody in that household is doing something.

1841
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not happy to sitch because coming into work,

1842
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 2: I got like five twenty five, I got the least

1843
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 2: the collar on him. He was buried under the blankets.

1844
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,160
Speaker 2: Refuse to move, like I get my ass up to

1845
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:45,799
Speaker 2: go pee. It's cold and raining outside.

1846
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 8: Yeah, my dog is the same. They make the best nurses, though,

1847
01:31:48,680 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 8: Oh my god.

1848
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 3: Just trying to crawlerneath Michelle to in order to.

1849
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 8: Nothing makes you feel better than the comfort of a dog.

1850
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 8: And knowing that the Miami RedHawks are still undefeated, got

1851
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 8: it done last night.

1852
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 9: One hundred to.

1853
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 8: Sixty one was their final against Central Michigan. That's how

1854
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,759
Speaker 8: we are opening up the Snort report today.

1855
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 2: You know, with that transition from knees to I'm surprised

1856
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 2: you may need surgery. I think you pulled something with

1857
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 2: that stretch. Wow, we just turned like that. I did,

1858
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:19,559
Speaker 2: so your give up.

1859
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:22,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, they're about to give out any moment, because this

1860
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 8: is crazy. It really will bring you to your knees.

1861
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 9: Knowing that there are four.

1862
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 8: Teams that remain in college basketball that are undefeated, of

1863
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 8: course Miami being one of them, Arizona, Vanderbilt, and Nebraska.

1864
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 9: Little Miami. They're in Oxford O.

1865
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:37,679
Speaker 3: High Little Miami. That's different.

1866
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 8: But yeah, they had the whole swim team out there

1867
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 8: last night and their speedos showing up.

1868
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 2: I love how you tried Little Miami, little swim team.

1869
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 2: Little And when is the last time And we've been

1870
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,960
Speaker 2: doing a snort report for a while. Yeah, the last

1871
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 2: time you led with Miami University Athletics last week.

1872
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 9: So we're two weeks in a row.

1873
01:32:58,200 --> 01:32:58,719
Speaker 7: With the leading.

1874
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:02,600
Speaker 3: I'm talking about going back. Let's go back two months.

1875
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 9: Not ever.

1876
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 8: It's usually Reds or Bengals. Reds are Bengals, but now

1877
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:06,480
Speaker 8: it's Miami.

1878
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 2: If the wheel's taking off, Miami, what's next? Oh you,

1879
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:10,840
Speaker 2: what are we going to do?

1880
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 9: You got problems?

1881
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:14,280
Speaker 3: Bowling green? Where are we going? Where are we going? Here?

1882
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 3: Where we go? And what are we doing?

1883
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 9: This is exciting though.

1884
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 8: That's twenty five consecutive home wins for those guys.

1885
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 3: We're such a homer you maybe worse than seg They.

1886
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 9: Are my Alma maters.

1887
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 8: So that's why it means even more to me though,

1888
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 8: this is very exciting, all right, yeah, but I was

1889
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 8: there a very very very long time ago. We had hockey.

1890
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 8: That was always the big thing at Miami. Now basketball

1891
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 8: completely taken over.

1892
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:40,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because the hockey team has stuck for a while. So,

1893
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 2: I mean, they have flirts with it, but not nothing.

1894
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 9: Like nothing like what we're seeing right now.

1895
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:46,200
Speaker 11: You know.

1896
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 2: I'm that though too is the fact that Travis Steel

1897
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 2: when are they gonna? When's you seekn announced? He's the

1898
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 2: next head coach?

1899
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 9: Right? It like did we make a mistake with Wes?

1900
01:33:55,520 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 8: And speaking of you see basketball there back tonight seven

1901
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 8: o'clock tip off against Colorado and what's trending on social

1902
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 8: media this morning paper bags? Will people be wearing those

1903
01:34:07,720 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 8: two the game tonight? My vote is, please don't do that.

1904
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 8: I know that we hate Wes Miller, A lot of

1905
01:34:13,360 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 8: people do. Right now, you're mad, but don't do it

1906
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 8: to the player.

1907
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 9: I don't think they deserve that, to look around in

1908
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:20,920
Speaker 9: the stands and see all the fans out there with

1909
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:21,519
Speaker 9: the bags.

1910
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:25,400
Speaker 2: No, okay, hold on, just a second, stop with the sanctimony.

1911
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,480
Speaker 3: I mean it though, all right, they're grown as teenagers.

1912
01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 9: I get that.

1913
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 2: They're still like, okay, but are you a kid when

1914
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 2: you're getting an ile money?

1915
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:40,679
Speaker 8: You kids are getting an i ole money, right, Yeah, you're.

1916
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 7: Still a kid.

1917
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 3: If you're buying a ticket, you get criticism.

1918
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 2: If you can be celebrating, you can agree to disagree

1919
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 2: on you you can do all that, okay, and be supportive.

1920
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,040
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, you guys are doing this is awesome,

1921
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 2: you know, and and be celebrities and on all that

1922
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 2: that goes with it.

1923
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 3: When you suck.

1924
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 8: If that's why you want to spend your time tonight

1925
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,719
Speaker 8: at Fifth Third Arena for two hours with a bag

1926
01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 8: over your head, than so be it.

1927
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 2: We're really good at recycling because the same bag you

1928
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 2: use for the Bengals, you can, I use you.

1929
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 3: It's great a recycling. Yeah, very good.

1930
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 9: You'll be just fine. What that arena is going to

1931
01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:14,280
Speaker 9: look like tonight.

1932
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 13: And they're the players they protesting, you know, I think

1933
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 13: it's more of West Miller.

1934
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 3: Okay, then just say that when he.

1935
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 8: Gets his intro tonight. I don't know what else to

1936
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 8: tell you. Let you bring paper bags in, by the way,

1937
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:27,120
Speaker 8: That's what I'm hearing. How come in the NFL you can?

1938
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 8: But you can now is it a college rule or

1939
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 8: is it a UC rule? I don't know, or is

1940
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 8: it this specific arena rule.

1941
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 3: How are they going to shake you down for a

1942
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 3: paper bag? By the way, they.

1943
01:35:39,479 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 9: Can't because you could easily put that down your pants.

1944
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 3: You could easily that's a cut you.

1945
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 8: Could easily get report. You could easily get a bag

1946
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,000
Speaker 8: into that arena, no problem.

1947
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 3: It's a paper bag you fuld up put in your pocket,

1948
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 3: exact metal. What are they going to do the whole

1949
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 3: section for everybody out?

1950
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 8: I think they're kind of putting that out there as

1951
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 8: a warning, like, we don't want to see this.

1952
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:04,479
Speaker 9: We don't want to look around and see a bunch

1953
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 9: of paper bags.

1954
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:06,040
Speaker 3: What are they What are they going to do?

1955
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 9: Every probably going to kick you out.

1956
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,639
Speaker 3: Some surge of the fans have bags on their heads.

1957
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:11,639
Speaker 9: They're either going to give you a warning or kick

1958
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 9: you out.

1959
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 3: I'm guessing, what is this a ran that they're going

1960
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 3: to round you up?

1961
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 9: What do they know? It's Clifton For God's Oh, that

1962
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:20,360
Speaker 9: was a dig. I'm sorry.

1963
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:23,040
Speaker 7: Coming hot damn.

1964
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 8: Speaking of you see the Miami Redhogs throwing some heat

1965
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 8: around on on Twitter yesterday? They said yeah, they said, uh, no,

1966
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 8: paper bags needed over here.

1967
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 9: Just good hoops.

1968
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,920
Speaker 8: They are chirpy on social media, so that's been trending

1969
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 8: in it.

1970
01:36:40,200 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 9: They also tweeted this out.

1971
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 8: They said, if you can show that you're a season

1972
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 8: ticket holder for any other college basketball team in southwest Ohio,

1973
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 8: your ticket to see a game here at Malett is

1974
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:51,360
Speaker 8: only ten bucks.

1975
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 3: Unbelievable there.

1976
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:03,360
Speaker 13: For free lun you tomorrow time. Tom's hanging around for

1977
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 13: the yes, So what are you doing here? Turn out

1978
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 13: of the second mic on there? Paper bag or no

1979
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 13: paper bag?

1980
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 5: That you say?

1981
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 9: I said, I say no paper bag.

1982
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 3: She says it may hurt the players feelings. I say, money,

1983
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:16,640
Speaker 3: you suck. You deserve that.

1984
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 13: Tom.

1985
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 9: What's your take on this?

1986
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 7: Hey, people want to wear that paper bag? Let her rip.

1987
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 12: That's nice exactly. You're buying a ticket and I don't

1988
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,600
Speaker 12: think they're unhappy. Do you with the playoffs themselves?

1989
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 9: What the West Miller thing?

1990
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:30,679
Speaker 10: Yeah?

1991
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, So I think it's more that.

1992
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:38,000
Speaker 12: But I do understand your point about the players could

1993
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 12: take it as as though you're you know, you know,

1994
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 12: ashamed of them. I would like to think that's not

1995
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,600
Speaker 12: the case, but I don't know. I'm not bringing the.

1996
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 2: Games, you're playing Division one sports, you should be able

1997
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:51,000
Speaker 2: to tolerate a little hackling.

1998
01:37:51,160 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 7: Well, I'm with you all the way. You didn't used

1999
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:54,800
Speaker 7: to be that way, but it is now.

2000
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 3: It is now. What the money got involved that goes

2001
01:37:57,240 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 3: with it exactly what I say?

2002
01:37:58,680 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 7: That's right?

2003
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:04,479
Speaker 2: All right, there you go, Tom, what's on tomorrow show?

2004
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 2: It's twelve o'clock here? What do you got tomorrow? What

2005
01:38:07,720 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 2: are you doing for us tomorrow? At Gary Sullivan on?

2006
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 12: And then we have Hey Michelle to tell the things

2007
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 12: going on over the weekend.

2008
01:38:13,800 --> 01:38:17,120
Speaker 8: Is buying a faux fur jacket. That girl can talk

2009
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 8: you into doing anything.

2010
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 3: That jacket looked good. I saw that picture.

2011
01:38:20,280 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 9: Thank you, thank you.

2012
01:38:21,280 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 12: Yeah, you're gonna wear that to crown the king over

2013
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 12: here coming up and oh.

2014
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 8: God, no, we're taking no.

2015
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:31,759
Speaker 9: I I got to teach Tom about throwing the bread.

2016
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 8: The Closterman rolls at Sloaney's head said that we were

2017
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 8: gonna have a little meeting before this event, so I

2018
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 8: gotta I gotta let him in on the whole bread thing.

2019
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 12: Okay, you know I used to date one of the

2020
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 12: Clostermen girls. Their their family ranch, if you will, they

2021
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,160
Speaker 12: have this big horse ranch up in Loveland, yeah, and

2022
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 12: I know if you've ever seen the article Sloaney, you

2023
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:56,719
Speaker 12: get into an elevator shaft build on a former mind shaft,

2024
01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 12: drop one hundred feet down on the ground.

2025
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 3: Oh no, you open the door.

2026
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:04,640
Speaker 12: Yes, it was over I think it was four or

2027
01:39:04,800 --> 01:39:11,599
Speaker 12: five thousand square feet of the largest artifact of magical

2028
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:13,759
Speaker 12: artifact collection in the world.

2029
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 7: Stage down there.

2030
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 12: All the guys used to come in there and hang

2031
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:20,680
Speaker 12: out with Kenklosterman, God rest his soul. He was a

2032
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 12: great dude. That's wild. Yeah, And Smithsonian Magazine did a

2033
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:24,759
Speaker 12: big peace on it.

2034
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:25,679
Speaker 3: It's pretty cool. Wow.

2035
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,639
Speaker 2: So you went down an elevator shaft to see magic, Well,

2036
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 2: they had stage down there everything.

2037
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,360
Speaker 3: Yes, so he'd pull out some tricks to there. I mean,

2038
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 3: David Copperfield.

2039
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 7: All these guys would.

2040
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 12: Come in from around the world hang out board up

2041
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:39,600
Speaker 12: in that basing like hang out with She must have

2042
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 12: been smoking hot Tom.

2043
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 3: Because you put the work in.

2044
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 9: I mean that is some serious where you're risking your life.

2045
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 7: I will bid you all adu.

2046
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, get out of here because time just made time disappear.

2047
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, or my wife's about to I get home.

2048
01:39:58,560 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.

2049
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 9: We do have a couch here at iHeart.

2050
01:40:01,360 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 2: If you need to say you got the job, you

2051
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:04,840
Speaker 2: don't have to keep kissing butts.

2052
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,840
Speaker 3: So we could just go home, would you.

2053
01:40:07,320 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 9: Like, oh, god, don't know.

2054
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 8: They compare Tom and SEG's okay, do we want to

2055
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 8: go to Bengals or Ruds because we've got different things trending.

2056
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 8: Let's quickly go to Bengals. Zach Taylor is the only

2057
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 8: coach left in the AFC North Tomlin quote unquote stepping down.

2058
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 8: I don't know if he was like threatened, Hey, you

2059
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 8: might want to get out of here.

2060
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 9: But I think he's not going to stick with coaching.

2061
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,719
Speaker 9: I think he might go into the broadcast side of things.

2062
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 3: Really, I think so.

2063
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:38,720
Speaker 8: I think that's the rumor on social I wouldn't mind

2064
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 8: Tom winning a booth enter.

2065
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:42,719
Speaker 9: Just like Tom Brady.

2066
01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:44,800
Speaker 8: It was a little bit of a rough start, but

2067
01:40:44,840 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 8: now I really enjoyed.

2068
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:48,479
Speaker 3: Who's going to get forced out?

2069
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:49,839
Speaker 9: That's a great question.

2070
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 8: Is there a spot? Are there more spots for coaching

2071
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 8: or for broadcast?

2072
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:54,840
Speaker 5: Tired?

2073
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,480
Speaker 3: It's been tired for a long time. Yeah, Terry Bradshaw,

2074
01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 3: you think so?

2075
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 9: I saw what's his face is coming back? He's like eighty.

2076
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 3: Five of course, so who No, he's.

2077
01:41:07,439 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 8: Done, he's done with college game day ow our guy,

2078
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 8: ol Michael Michaels, Yeah, yah, yeah, yeah, he's back. He's

2079
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 8: all right, he's not going anywhere. I do like, oh

2080
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:18,080
Speaker 8: my god, I respect it. So we're gonna run it

2081
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 8: back with Zach Taylor in the AFC North. Okay, And

2082
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 8: who knows where all the other coaches could go.

2083
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 3: I pointed this out earlier in the show, Sarah.

2084
01:41:25,800 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 9: Where do you think Tomlin will go?

2085
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:28,880
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

2086
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 9: Maybe the booth a coach, So he's not gonna stick

2087
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:32,240
Speaker 9: with coach.

2088
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 8: I don't think what about guys like Stefanski and John Harbaugh,

2089
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,719
Speaker 8: the rest of the guys in the AFC North, they're

2090
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 8: interviewing everywhere. I mean, there's like nine coaches out there

2091
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 8: that would have been interviewing.

2092
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:42,679
Speaker 9: All over the least.

2093
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 13: Zac Tayler safe, right, he is absolutely safe.

2094
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:48,240
Speaker 9: You know, six and eleven, we're like, we're going to

2095
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 9: extend your contract.

2096
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 3: And I was here because I was off. But Duke

2097
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 3: Tobin's UH on Friday, yes.

2098
01:41:55,880 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 9: Sixty three minutes of not a whole lot.

2099
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 2: The question is how can Duke Tobe and speak uh

2100
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 2: and say everything's fine with the team other do anything?

2101
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:03,799
Speaker 3: Do you know why.

2102
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:08,320
Speaker 2: Season tickets Bengals attendants, by the way, fell by about

2103
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 2: thirteen hundred per game.

2104
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:12,639
Speaker 9: I thought it was the highest attendant in a while.

2105
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 2: Which is the most behind Tennessee. What happened with their coach?

2106
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:17,639
Speaker 9: The Jets?

2107
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:18,799
Speaker 3: What happened there in the Browns?

2108
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:20,360
Speaker 9: What happened the ah gone Gone gone?

2109
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:23,960
Speaker 2: Two percent decline in attendance is not enough for this team.

2110
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:25,680
Speaker 2: And I don't know what the number was.

2111
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 3: It is going to interesting.

2112
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 2: People don't show up the games, I'm saying at all,

2113
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 2: but it is clearly two percent to them is like, eh,

2114
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 2: it's a rounding year. We're not forced to change because

2115
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:35,439
Speaker 2: people keep supporting us.

2116
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:36,680
Speaker 9: We're fine with average.

2117
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:38,560
Speaker 2: It's true of any product in or line care for

2118
01:42:38,560 --> 01:42:41,559
Speaker 2: it's football, baseball, I don't care if it's if it's

2119
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:46,160
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it is. Yeah, and so it is,

2120
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:47,799
Speaker 2: keep supporting it. There's no impetus.

2121
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:49,439
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2122
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:52,160
Speaker 8: He didn't have much to say in those sixty three minutes,

2123
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:55,559
Speaker 8: just kind of became repetitive, and he said he has

2124
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 8: a lot of confidence in the coaching staff, loves Zach

2125
01:42:58,439 --> 01:42:59,960
Speaker 8: Taylor's as he respects him as.

2126
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 3: A coach, Tomlin and on Super Bowls.

2127
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 9: Yeah, three years in a row with no playoffs.

2128
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 3: Yep, that's okay. Everything's fine.

2129
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 8: Fine, But turning on social media if you are curious

2130
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:12,760
Speaker 8: about how the Bengals are spending their off season. Joe

2131
01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:14,719
Speaker 8: Burrow and a bunch of guys like ORLANDA Brown Junior,

2132
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 8: Jamar Chase. They were all seen in Vegas and then

2133
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 8: Joe Burrow was at the Golden.

2134
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 9: Globes the other night.

2135
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 3: Wonderful.

2136
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:24,560
Speaker 9: They're doing just fine, just like kist Obin and in

2137
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 9: Zach Taylor.

2138
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:26,639
Speaker 3: Everything's fine.

2139
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:30,000
Speaker 8: Shifting gears here seventy one days until opening day, of course,

2140
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 8: against the Red Sox this weekend, though, to get you bye,

2141
01:43:32,439 --> 01:43:36,160
Speaker 8: we've got Reds Fest. Reds Fest back at the Convention

2142
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 8: Center yep, Friday from three to ten thirty Saturday eleven

2143
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:40,920
Speaker 8: to six thirty.

2144
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 9: Last week, Ellie Da la Cruz was not confirmed. Now

2145
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 9: he was.

2146
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:51,559
Speaker 3: Careful the show up demands. Yeah, he got it done, though.

2147
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:54,160
Speaker 8: I got it done. You are welcome Cincinnati. So Ellie

2148
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,639
Speaker 8: will not be there for how long? I'm not exactly sure.

2149
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,160
Speaker 8: I don't know what his appearances look like this weekend,

2150
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:01,280
Speaker 8: but I love it's fast. I love that it's back.

2151
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 8: The Convention Center is all decked out on the outside.

2152
01:44:04,200 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 8: You've got the brand new Cincinnati signed lit up in

2153
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 8: red and white, and so yeah, it's.

2154
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 9: Gonna be a good time Friday. To kick things off.

2155
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:14,639
Speaker 8: You've got Bronson Arroyo with a live musical performance at

2156
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 8: four thirty at the main Yes, sure, yeah, he's sticking

2157
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 8: around and they're going to do an intro for all

2158
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:23,320
Speaker 8: the players past and present at that main stage at

2159
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 8: five thirty. And one of my favorite events on that

2160
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:27,720
Speaker 8: Friday night, if you're still going to be there, eight

2161
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 8: forty five is the kid's only press conference, so kids

2162
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 8: get to ask the players the questions and it's always

2163
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 8: just a really.

2164
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 3: Cute are you checking out?

2165
01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 1: Year?

2166
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 8: No such thing as shrip Poker, but I do want

2167
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:42,759
Speaker 8: to say that the Reds Poker on Saturday is completely

2168
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 8: sold out. Everything with that benefits the Reds community fun.

2169
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 8: So looking forward to being a part of that.

2170
01:44:47,400 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 2: All right, seg Gapper and Sarah at the final table

2171
01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 2: Strip Poker.

2172
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:55,600
Speaker 9: Give me Gapper any day please.

2173
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, I'm just saying, all right.

2174
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:00,559
Speaker 9: So that's what's trying to do sports.

2175
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 2: Sarah leaves, it's a snort report this morning, So again

2176
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 2: we had. The paper bags from the Bengals are now

2177
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 2: being used at UCE in what's seventy one days?

2178
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:09,719
Speaker 3: He'll BB's a Reds Reds answer.

2179
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 9: Please don't bring the bags to g ABP.

2180
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:13,920
Speaker 3: Getting a lot of miles out of the paper bag.

2181
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,320
Speaker 9: We really need a bat, though, Incinnati.

2182
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:17,679
Speaker 3: Sports paper bag capital of America.

2183
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 9: Please sign a big bat for the Reds.

2184
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 2: All right, news is on the way next slowly seven

2185
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:22,760
Speaker 2: hundreds since net