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Speaker 1: Is Tony Pike sixty three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: for a three way or cheese cony today. Feeling good,

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Speaker 1: It's Skyline Time. This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, Welcome in Tony Pikes Sincy three sixty Here

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Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty. My name is Austin Elmore. No

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Speaker 2: Tony today. The big Fella is out, but he is

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Speaker 2: back tomorrow. He will be solo tomorrow because I'm in

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Speaker 2: for MO tomorrow. It's kind of a weird and wonky

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Speaker 2: week here on ESPN fifteen thirty. More comes back on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Tony and I will be together again on Thursday. But

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Speaker 2: in the meantime we're kind of patching some holes here

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Speaker 2: and there due to some of the strange schedules. So

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Speaker 2: yesterday Tony was solo and I was in for MO. Today,

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Speaker 2: I'm solo and Chick Ludwig is in for MO. Tomorrow

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Speaker 2: Tony is solo and I'm and things get back to

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Speaker 2: their normal schedule on Thursday. Reds win again last night

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Speaker 2: to nothing over the Pittsburgh Pirates. Cincinnati has now won

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Speaker 2: three consecutive games, and they have a chance tonight to

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Speaker 2: win a series against Pittsburgh for the second series of

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Speaker 2: the season, and they would It would behoove, hit behoove,

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Speaker 2: he said, the Reds to do that tonight. With Paul

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Speaker 2: Skens looming tomorrow for the getaway day, that game probably

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Speaker 2: tomorrow's game. So a big opportunity for the Reds tonight.

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Speaker 2: And last night the story was Chase Burns. He was really,

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Speaker 2: really good for the Reds last night. He was efficient,

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Speaker 2: going five innings, gave up just one hit. He did

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Speaker 2: did that on just seventy eight pitches if I see

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Speaker 2: that correctly, Yes, seventy eight pitches forty six strikes from

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Speaker 2: Chase Burns. Jose Franco made his major league debut last

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Speaker 2: night in an inning and two thirds. Gave up three

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Speaker 2: hits but no runs. Graham Ashcraft was filthy. And you

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Speaker 2: know me, I'm not the biggest Graham Ashcraft guy in

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Speaker 2: the world, but I'll tip my cap to Graham last

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Speaker 2: night because He was absolutely, unequivocally filthy on the mound

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Speaker 2: for Cincinnati. Pitched an inning in a third, struck out three,

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Speaker 2: and then Connor Phillips came in and started walking guys.

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Speaker 2: He picked it up for Graham Ashcraft, but Connor Phillips

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Speaker 2: In a scary moment at the end of the game

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Speaker 2: Will Benson, by the way, delivered an RBI triple last night.

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Speaker 2: He got the start against a right hander. I have

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Speaker 2: some questions about Noel V. Marte. I have some questions

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Speaker 2: Reds are platooning those guys, and the reverse splits and

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Speaker 2: all the stuff that goes into the Noel V. Marte

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Speaker 2: situation I find fascinating. We'll get into some of that

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Speaker 2: today during the show. We will talk to Joe Daniman

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Speaker 2: more into the NFL. In our number three, we'll also

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Speaker 2: check the Reds lineup and give you a preview of

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Speaker 2: tonight's game where Brandon Williamson will be on the mound

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Speaker 2: for Cincinnati, but we're sticking with Reds for the most part.

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Speaker 2: In our number one, phone lines are open at five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: me at audielmore aut y ELM O r E. By

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Speaker 2: the way, the NFL annual meetings are happening at the

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Speaker 2: Arizona Builtmore in Phoenix, Arizona. AFC coaches speaking this morning,

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor spoke for about an hour. There hasn't been

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Speaker 2: College basketball, the women's Final four is officially set. Yukon, UCLA, Texas,

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Speaker 2: Tiger said he was looking at his phone before the crash.

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Speaker 2: He apparently had two pills in his pocket, officer said

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Speaker 2: that his pupils were dilated. He looked lethargic, was moving

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Speaker 2: And I want to get into a little bit later

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Speaker 2: Today signed an eight year contract with the Milwaukee Brewers

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Speaker 2: I don't know what those conversations look like. But when

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Speaker 2: that the NFL is partnering with to create a professional

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Speaker 2: that will be featured on Hard Knocks. Hard Knocks coming

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Speaker 2: Benson has eight play appearances, two hits in an RBI.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the Reds are willing to do that,

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Speaker 2: But I'm all for Will Benson breakout season. I would

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Speaker 2: To say, the least Reds winners last night too, nothing

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Speaker 9: Know what adversities for spring training, Like I kind of

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Speaker 5: And felt like he really turned the page.

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Speaker 2: Over the last week.

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Speaker 9: He turned the page over the last week. That's the

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Speaker 9: first time he pitched. Yeah, no, I I think our

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Speaker 9: plan was good this spring. I mean we it was

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Speaker 9: with him also. We just wanted to get him in

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Speaker 9: a position where he can go make those starts. And

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Speaker 9: it wasn't a penalty box or anything like that. We

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Speaker 9: just wanted to help him get himself ready for every

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Speaker 9: start because we want him to pitch a lot. And

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Speaker 9: like you know, I know, I keep saying his future

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Speaker 9: is bright, but I think the present's gonna be okay too.

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Speaker 2: That's a great line from Terry Francona on Chase Burns, who,

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Speaker 2: you know, the way that the game kind of ended

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Speaker 2: and some of the other stuff going on, you kind

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Speaker 2: of forget just how good Chase Burns was. I mean,

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Speaker 2: he has and I know we've talked to Charlie about

447
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Speaker 2: it endlessly, Like people in that organization are bullish that

448
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Speaker 2: Chase Burns can be just as nasty as anybody else

449
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Speaker 2: and can absolutely take the crown of ace on this

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Speaker 2: club and do it as soon as this year. And

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Speaker 2: if he's able to get down the stuff that you

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Speaker 2: have to do in between starts and the routine and

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Speaker 2: learning how to be a professional and continuing to work

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Speaker 2: through those secondary pitches, it's going to make his fastball

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Speaker 2: even better, it's going to make his slider even better,

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Speaker 2: and that's going to give them some strength at the

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Speaker 2: back end of this rotation. And you know what I've

458
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Speaker 2: always loved about the idea of the Red's rotation is

459
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Speaker 2: that there are so many different ways and styles that

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Speaker 2: they beat you. Like Nikolodolo is this long lefty with

461
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Speaker 2: this nasty slider that just kind of gets off that

462
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Speaker 2: back foot of yours and it's just hard to pick up,

463
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Speaker 2: and his velocity seems more than it really is, just

464
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Speaker 2: because of his length on the mound. Hunter Green is

465
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Speaker 2: a classic power pitcher who continues to develop secondary pitches

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Speaker 2: in that fastball, he locates it so well. Andrew Abbott

467
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Speaker 2: is the finesse guy. He's like the Greg Maddox where

468
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Speaker 2: he's not throwing it extremely hard, but he does a

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Speaker 2: great job of elevating that fastball and keeping you off balance.

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Speaker 2: And he's the best pitcher altogether of that entire group.

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Speaker 2: And we see like a mixture of that with who

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Speaker 2: Ret Louder has been and who he's proven himself to be.

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Speaker 2: Brady Singer is consistent and is just going to go

474
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Speaker 2: out there and eat innings over and over and over again,

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Speaker 2: as he's done throughout his career. And then you got

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Speaker 2: a guy like Brandon Williamson who is going to be

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Speaker 2: starting tonight and is kind of a mixture of all

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Speaker 2: those guys. I think that gives you. That's a lot

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Speaker 2: to throw at an opponent every single night, especially any

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Speaker 2: series against teams that you're going to see throughout the

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Speaker 2: season in the NL Central. That's difficult. Take a break,

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Speaker 2: we'll come back We'll update you on what DNL Central

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Speaker 2: did last night, and a couple of thoughts on Sal

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Speaker 2: Stewart five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen thirty is

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Speaker 2: the phone number you can call in and be a

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Speaker 2: part of the show. You can tweet at me as

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Speaker 2: well at audio more. That's a U T y E. L.

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Speaker 2: M Ore. We'll take a break. This is Tony Pike

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Speaker 2: since E three sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: Your front row seat to the Fierces debates in sports

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Speaker 1: Moegger today at three pm on ESPN fifteen thirty. Take

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Speaker 1: Sincy three sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Throwing right along. Coming up twenty minutes from right now,

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Speaker 2: Joe Danaman, Fox nineteen. He'll join us for his usual

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Speaker 2: Tuesday stop. Mentioned before the break that the Reds beat

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Speaker 2: up on the Pirates last night. What else is going

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Speaker 2: on in the National League Central? Well, the Cubs they

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Speaker 2: beat the Angels seven to two at Wrigley Field. The

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Speaker 2: Brewers finally lost. They lost to the Rays three to

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Speaker 2: two in Milwaukee, and the Cardinals fell to the Mets

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Speaker 2: four to two in Saint Louis. So the Reds and

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Speaker 2: Cubs only teams in the Central to win last night.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this every day. I'm just gonna check

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Speaker 2: the standings. So I'm gonna let everybody know because when

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Speaker 2: the expectation is to make the playoffs. I love waking

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Speaker 2: up in the morning, I'll tell you, Like, one of

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Speaker 2: my favorite things about baseball is waking up in the

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Speaker 2: morning and just perusing the box scores and looking at

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Speaker 2: pitching lines and this and that. I just love like

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Speaker 2: re up on other teams. I love like going through

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Speaker 2: and saying, oh, you know, Ronald Acunya had three hits yesterday,

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Speaker 2: or oh, show Haes pitching tonight for the Dodgers up

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Speaker 2: against the Guardians. And I just love seeing that sort

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Speaker 2: of stuff. I really do. And so I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna keep updating all season long on the the standing.

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Speaker 2: So right now, the Reds and Brewers are tied for

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Speaker 2: first place, both at three and one. The Pirates are

518
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Speaker 2: in the basement at one in three, Cubs and Cardinals

519
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Speaker 2: both two and two. There are no undefeated teams remaining

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Speaker 2: in Major League Baseball. There is one winless team. The

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Speaker 2: winless team is the Sacramento or as they're known to baseball,

522
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Speaker 2: just the Athletics, they are zero and four and lost

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Speaker 2: four nothing last night to the Braves. That will be

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Speaker 2: might be a tough start for the old Athletics and

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Speaker 2: the squad that they have going on there. I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about south Stewart for a minute, because you know,

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Speaker 2: he continues to be the story. Last night or yesterday

528
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Speaker 2: afternoon was named the NA National League Player of the

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Speaker 2: Week for the way that he performed to start the

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Speaker 2: season with that weekend series against Boston. Mentioned last night,

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Speaker 2: he had another hit, he walked twice. You know, Terry

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Speaker 2: Francona has repeatedly said, now he's not just an advanced

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Speaker 2: young hitter, he's just an advanced hitter. And it's made

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Speaker 2: me wonder about like the future of South Stewart and

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Speaker 2: if the Reds would be interested in locking him down

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Speaker 2: for the future right now. So of course, the first

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Speaker 2: thing I did was, okay, well who's his agent? And

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Speaker 2: I saw that it was Scott Boris, and I was like, okay, well,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna we're gonna be fighting an uphill battle here

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Speaker 2: with Scott Boris because when he has these young star clients,

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Speaker 2: he likes to hold on to them for as much

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Speaker 2: money as he can. And I don't blame him. And

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Speaker 2: Ellie de la Cruz is an example of that. Matt

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Speaker 2: McClain you might remember was Scott was Score, Scott Boris client.

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Speaker 2: Matt McClain fired Scott Boris and hired a different agent.

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Speaker 2: But I was I was looking. I saw the headline

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Speaker 2: this morning that the Milwaukee Brewers are close to finalizing

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Speaker 2: an eight year deal worth fifty or sixty million dollars

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Speaker 2: for a shortstop that's twenty one years old in their

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Speaker 2: system by the name of Cooper Pratt. Cooper Pratt has

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Speaker 2: never played above double A baseball until this year, or

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Speaker 2: he's he's never like he's at Double A right now

553
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken. He might be in TRIPAA. But

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Speaker 2: he's never played above that until this season. He's never

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Speaker 2: played in the big leagues. He has zero service time

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Speaker 2: in the major leagues. And Milwaukee has gotten out ahead

557
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Speaker 2: of this and signed him to a long term deal,

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Speaker 2: and by the way, not the first time they've done this.

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Speaker 2: A couple of years ago, Milwaukee signed Jackson s Curio

560
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Speaker 2: to an eight year deal worth eighty two million dollars

561
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Speaker 2: with a maximum of one hundred and forty million. Before

562
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Speaker 2: he had even stepped foot on a big league field.

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Speaker 2: Now's not the only ones. Luis Robert and the Chicago

564
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Speaker 2: White Socks did this. The White Sox did this with

565
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Speaker 2: Eloy Jimenez many years back. Seattle did it with Colt Emerson. Like,

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Speaker 2: those are all dudes that have never had a second

567
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Speaker 2: in the big leagues, zero big league service time, whatsoever. Now,

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Speaker 2: South Stewart is obviously already ahead of that and has

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Speaker 2: played what twenty five games or whatever it is in

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Speaker 2: the big leagues. I would be working on locking this

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Speaker 2: dude down right now. He's twenty two years old. Can

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Speaker 2: you get him on a seven year deal? Can you

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Speaker 2: get him for seventy five million dollars? Can you max

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Speaker 2: it at one hundred can Is there something that makes

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Speaker 2: sense to where much like the Hunter Green deal, he

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Speaker 2: becomes a free agent before he turns thirty or as

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Speaker 2: he turns thirty, and he has a chance to cash

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Speaker 2: back in or revisit those extension talks. And I understand

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Speaker 2: that twenty five games is a very very small sample size,

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Speaker 2: but that list I just gave you of dudes, they

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Speaker 2: haven't even had a sample size. And those teams lock

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Speaker 2: them up team friendly deals that make sense, And oh,

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Speaker 2: by the way, all of them, at least Churio, Robert

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Speaker 2: and Jimenez, those all are really good big league players.

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Speaker 2: For a while, I wonder if the Reds. I hope

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Speaker 2: that the Reds are thinking forward enough and they have

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Speaker 2: time on their side, without a doubt, And I'm sure

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Speaker 2: that next year and the impending lockout probably throws a

589
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Speaker 2: wrench into some of this stuff. And the Reds are

590
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Speaker 2: kind of weird with the way they do their money

591
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: and they're worried about everything being a small market team,

592
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Speaker 2: But shoot, if Milwaukee can do stuff like this, why

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Speaker 2: can't the Reds. And you know, we've said for the

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Speaker 2: last couple of years now Milwaukee is the perfect example

595
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Speaker 2: of who the Reds want to be. They are in

596
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Speaker 2: a small market, but they draft and develop really really well.

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Speaker 2: They got dudes who mash, They lock up their young

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Speaker 2: players early. They are fiscally, you know, concernervative, but like

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00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: they make their moves make sense, and they find a

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Speaker 2: way to piece it together and win ninety plus games. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you're a Brewer fan, or if you're a baseball fan,

602
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: you could say, well, you know, if they would just

603
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Speaker 2: take that one extra step, that might be the move

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Speaker 2: that puts them over the top. And I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: I think the Reds are more apt to make a

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Speaker 2: move like that than Milwaukee is, but you've got to

607
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Speaker 2: establish the foundation like that. I think the Reds should

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Speaker 2: be trying to emulate Milwaukee and get guys locked up

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Speaker 2: long term. I really do, especially these young players. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I just hope that that's this they are

611
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 2: sharing that those same internal conversations, and there's two it's

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Speaker 2: a two way street, right Like South Stewart and Scott

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00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: Boris and Ellie de la Cruz and Scott Boris, like

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00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: they got to be willing to play ball and be

615
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 2: open minded to that as well. And I hope that

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Speaker 2: those conversations are happening because through twenty games in the

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Speaker 2: big leagues for salth Stewart, it feels like the to

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Speaker 2: have a star. And I know most said this on

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Speaker 2: our opening day show, is like that dude has done

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Speaker 2: everything they've asked him to do. You want to play

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Speaker 2: second base, He'll play second. You want to play third,

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Speaker 2: He'll play third. You want be d I'll dh. You

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Speaker 2: want me to lose thirty pounds in the offseason, I'll

624
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Speaker 2: lose thirty pounds in the off season. I'll still hit homers.

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Speaker 2: You want me to play first base, I'll play first base.

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Speaker 2: They asked him to play shortstop tomorrow, he'd probably give

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Speaker 2: it a shot. Like the confidence, the attitude, the mentality

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Speaker 2: that he brings to that clubhouse as a young player,

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Speaker 2: I think that is crucial to this team's development. And

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Speaker 2: you start mixing the right guys. You know, you bring

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Speaker 2: in a Suarez, you bring in a Pierce Johnson, you

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Speaker 2: bring back Emilio Pegan. You have guys Lake Brady Singer

633
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Speaker 2: who have been around the block to help Chase Burns

634
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Speaker 2: and to help Rhet Louder, and you bring in a

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00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: guy like south Stewart as well and give him that like.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully that can have an impact on somebody like Noel

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Speaker 2: V Marte who might be, you know, fumbling his opportunity

638
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 2: right now or maybe not fully understanding what lies in

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00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: front of him. Hopefully south Stewart can be an example

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Speaker 2: of that, and hopefully the Reds can see what teams

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Speaker 2: like Milwaukee have done and say, hey, we can do

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00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: that too. We can lock up this dude long term

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Speaker 2: and use him as somebody to build around, and financially,

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Speaker 2: it can make a lot of sense that way, we'll

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Speaker 2: take a break, we'll come back. Your phone calls are

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Speaker 2: next five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. This

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Speaker 2: is ESPN fifteen thirty WCK.

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Speaker 1: Wise and fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Hour number one. About to wrap it up here ten

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Speaker 2: minutes from now. Joe Danaman, Fox nineteen will join me

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Speaker 2: on Austin Elmore. Tony is out today, he'll be back tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Got a couple of minutes for phone calls. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Let's go out to Green Township and talk

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Speaker 2: to Eddie. Eddie, what's up.

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Speaker 11: Now?

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Speaker 12: A whole lot Austin.

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Speaker 13: Just listen to your show, you know, figure we.

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Speaker 5: Talk some Reds baseball.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, all to a good start, we said when the

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Speaker 14: season started, they got to come out of the gates

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Speaker 14: pretty strong, have a you know, strong start, because the

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Speaker 14: schedule in September is brutal, and then with the injuries

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Speaker 14: to Hunter Green to Nicolodolo, I still see if they're

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Speaker 14: still are still holding own right now. So kudos to

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Speaker 14: the pitching so far and the bullpit and you know,

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Speaker 14: oh it's looking good right now. I know, I know

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Speaker 14: it's twenty four game sample size, but you know, it's

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Speaker 14: nice to see so far.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, without her doubt. And I think that the big

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Speaker 2: thing too is the fact that Burns and Louder were

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Speaker 2: able to give them a couple of extra innings. Maybe

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Speaker 2: then we thought they'd be able to and help that

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Speaker 2: bullpen a little bit while they wait for Lodolo to

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Speaker 2: come back next week. And obviously just the current status

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Speaker 2: of the bullpen.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's probably the only concern right now. Would be

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Speaker 14: like if the bullpen's having to cover like four and

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Speaker 14: five innings or more or more innings like every day,

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Speaker 14: that's not going to be good. Because by the time

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Speaker 14: you get to maybe June, the bullpen be like Coast.

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Speaker 14: It's going to happen before in the past. But that's

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Speaker 14: what I'm worried about, and hoping the Stars can just

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Speaker 14: continue to build up the innings and just got least

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Speaker 14: six innings maybe at least, Yeah, because the bullpen, you know,

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Speaker 14: like you said, last year, Tony Fancion and Emily you

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Speaker 14: Pigan pitched and I think like a career high in

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Speaker 14: games yas last year. Yeah, and so far this season

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Speaker 14: in this four game series, we're already seeing them guys,

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Speaker 14: you know, not have their best stuff. They still got

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Speaker 14: the job done, but they're still not as sharp as

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Speaker 14: they were. But host of the stars can give us

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Speaker 14: some innings as the season goes on. I don't want

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Speaker 14: to blow the bullpen out by June. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 14: have one question I want to ask you. I know

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Speaker 14: it's only four games in, so it's still way early

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Speaker 14: because we're not getting production from some guys hitting, you know,

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Speaker 14: such as our catching duo Spencer Steer, Novelle Marte if

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Speaker 14: you guys not hitting, But uh, I want to know

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Speaker 14: about ke Brian Hayes. I can't see the Reds running

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Speaker 14: him out there every single day, mostly for the whole season,

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Speaker 14: if he continue to not hit at all. Me personally,

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Speaker 14: I think they should go with somebody else at third base,

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Speaker 14: whether it's Fouras or somebody else and need DH DH

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Speaker 14: south Stewart or Nathaniel Lowe. Has the other guys played

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Speaker 14: first base and it's forth by third base he has,

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Speaker 14: I really have a better bat in the lineup every

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Speaker 14: day and times of somebody who absolutely gives you nothing offensively.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, Eddie, thank you for

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Speaker 2: the phone call. I want to talk about that. I

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Speaker 2: agree with you, like you know, A lot of times

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Speaker 2: the last few years, the Reds have have brought guys

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Speaker 2: in late for defensive replacements and to kind of ensure

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Speaker 2: and shore up the defense late in the game. We've

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Speaker 2: seen that already with Dane Myers a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: That needs to be, in my opinion, how they approach

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Speaker 2: Key Brian Hayes. Now, the Reds might make the argument

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Speaker 2: and believe that nine innings of elite defense is better

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Speaker 2: than three innings of elite defense or two innings of

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Speaker 2: elite defense. My argument to that would be, the defense

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you're trailing. I think it should be

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Speaker 2: where Key Brian Hayes is coming in in the later

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Speaker 2: innings to be a defensive replacement. But I don't think

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Speaker 2: the Reds view it that way. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: they are willing to pull the plug on him in

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Speaker 2: that way. Yet they are believers in Key Brian Hayes.

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Speaker 2: They believe that they can fix him offensively. They would

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Speaker 2: not have made that trade if they didn't think that

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Speaker 2: there is something that is yet to be unlocked for

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Speaker 2: him offensively. And I will say he hasn't been great.

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Speaker 2: He hasn't really put a lot of numbers up there

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Speaker 2: through the first couple of games, but he has hit

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Speaker 2: the ball hard. At least he did draw a walk

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Speaker 2: last night. I'm willing to be more open to Key

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Speaker 2: Brian Hayes. But what my big issue is, you know,

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Speaker 2: Francona has had the propensity to put Hayes and Jose

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Speaker 2: Travino in the lineup at the same time, and that's

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Speaker 2: basically two automatic outs right now, and when you already

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Speaker 2: struggle offensively, you can't do that sort of stuff. So

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Speaker 2: like on the days where Jose Travino catches specifically, and

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Speaker 2: I assume Travino is going to catch tonight, I don't

741
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Speaker 2: know on the days where Travino catches, like put sore

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Speaker 2: As at third base, or put Steer at third base,

743
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Speaker 2: or put somebody else at third base, just to help

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Speaker 2: yourself up, help yourself out a little bit offensively. And

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Speaker 2: it is one of the issues. It's the main reason

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Speaker 2: why from the very beginning, the Key Brian Hayes trade

747
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Speaker 2: never really made a lot of sense unless you have

748
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Speaker 2: something in there that you feel like you can fix him,

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Speaker 2: and that might be what they think, but we haven't

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Speaker 2: seen that, Like there's not been enough proof of that

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Speaker 2: yet for Key Brian Hayes, And it's a conundrum, you know,

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Speaker 2: especially like in these games. We already had this situation

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Speaker 2: happen once this year where offensively you need to pinch

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Speaker 2: hit for him late in the game. Who's gonna come

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Speaker 2: in and play third base? And their answer the other

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Speaker 2: day was Spencer Steer, who hadn't played that position since

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. And I remember asking Charlie about that

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Speaker 2: the day before and he was like, I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's a possibility. I don't think that's realistic to ask

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Speaker 2: Spencer Steer to play that position. Well, they did. And

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Speaker 2: the other part too about that that I have a

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00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: hard time understanding is what Charlie told us that in

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Speaker 2: early in spring training, the Reds took third base totally

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Speaker 2: off the plate of salth Stewart. And that doesn't make

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Speaker 2: sense to me. And I would like to know if

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Speaker 2: there's time now over the next one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: eight games to put it back on the plate of

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Speaker 2: Sal Stewart so that you feel better about moving those

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Speaker 2: guys around later in the game, especially if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: put Myers in the outfield and bump Freed all over

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Speaker 2: and bring Steer into first, can you move Stewart over

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Speaker 2: to third? I also think they should be open to

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Speaker 2: this possibility, which is Elie de la Cruz playing third base,

774
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Speaker 2: Matt McClain moving over to short and putting in Steer

775
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Speaker 2: or Stuart or somebody else at second base. I think

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Speaker 2: they should be open to that possibility as well. Out

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Speaker 2: of time and hour one more phone calls coming up

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Speaker 2: later on in the show. Joe Daniman is next on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 15: on your car radio and on the free new and

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Speaker 1: Tony Pikes since e three sixty about Cincinnati From Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in our number two of Tony Pikes

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Speaker 2: since e three sixty Here on ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm

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Speaker 2: Austin Elmore, the big Fella Big Tone back tomorrow. He

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Speaker 2: will be solo tomorrow in this discombobulated week here on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. And when things are discombobulated, you need

790
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: a steady hand, you need somebody who shows up. He's

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Speaker 2: ready to play all one sixty two or in this case,

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Speaker 2: all fifty two weeks of the year. And that is

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Speaker 2: our friend joe Daniman who joins us now from Fox nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Joey D. How you doing.

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Speaker 5: I'm excellent, Austin, And you can see it because I'm

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Speaker 5: on the video feed, and I'm sure you'll clip this

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Speaker 5: off later for anybody who's listening on the radio to

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Speaker 5: see in the video feed that I am wearing a

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Speaker 5: Fox nineteen shirt. Yesay, there's a reason I'm wearing this.

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Speaker 5: So I was m seeing an event on Saturday night

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Speaker 5: at Saint Rita's. What a wonderful event it was, What

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00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 5: a wonderful cause, raised a lot of money for a

803
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 5: great cause. That night, I had three people come up

804
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 5: to me and stop me and say, hey, man, I

805
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 5: love your work. And I was so proud. I was

806
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 5: so excited that people would come up and say, hey man,

807
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 5: I love your work. And each of those folks were

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00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 5: referring to my weekly segment on sincey three point sixty.

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00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 5: I said, you know, I do work in television sometimes.

810
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 5: And then last night at the ballpark, right before I

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Speaker 5: ran it to Tony and his beautiful bride a nice

812
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 5: gentleman came up and said, I love your work with

813
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Speaker 5: Austin and Tony every single week. So I said, now

814
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Speaker 5: listen tomorrow when I go on the show. I'm wearing

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Speaker 5: a Fox nineteen shirt to remind everybody that I still

816
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 5: do work in TV. Sometimes you do have a day

817
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Speaker 5: just on the radio. But yeat, sir, Yes.

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Speaker 2: And I was just telling you off the air, I've

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Speaker 2: gotten a lot of yeat lately, and you guys are

820
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: infiltrating my brain to the point where I'm starting to

821
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: say it like just walking through the house. Like there's

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Speaker 2: a few things I'll say when I'm like walking through

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Speaker 2: my apartment. One of them for years was the first

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Speaker 2: baseman Joey. I just said that constantly doing some form

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Speaker 2: of jose Air Hewson and now it's yeat.

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Speaker 5: Okay. So one of my hidden talents is I do

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Speaker 5: a great Joe's are Hugh really, I don't know. It's

828
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Speaker 5: because we're both Cubcat guys, or because I can somehow

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Speaker 5: drop my voice and Josia Huston's voice the first base man,

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Speaker 5: Joey Botto.

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Speaker 2: Is this your confession that you're the talk back jose

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Speaker 2: Air Heuson.

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Speaker 5: No, I have to talk back something else that only

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Speaker 5: you and yeah, we'll keep that secret.

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Speaker 2: That's fine.

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Speaker 5: It's been a minute for that one too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we need you to return. All right, the Reds

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Speaker 2: are back. What what was your big takeaway from the

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Speaker 2: weekend and obviously yesterday, Like, have we learned anything about

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Speaker 2: this team over the first four games?

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Speaker 16: Well?

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Speaker 5: Four games, Austin, that's a data point, right, I mean

843
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 5: we're talking one sixty two. We all know that, but

844
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Speaker 5: four games is a data point for us to look

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Speaker 5: at with this team. And I think my biggest takeaway

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Speaker 5: is I'm not surprised by anything, but I think if

847
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Speaker 5: you would rewind the tape to a couple of days

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Speaker 5: before opening day, we would say what we're excited about,

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Speaker 5: we would say what we're concerned about. And I think

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00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 5: everything is kind of slotted in exactly to where we

851
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 5: thought this would be. That we should be excited about

852
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 5: a starting rotation that was seven people deep, that could

853
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 5: survive not having Hunter Green and Nick Lodolo for the

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Speaker 5: first week and a half and then the first full

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Speaker 5: half of a season perhaps without Hunter Green, that these

856
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 5: guys were ready to step in and help carry this team.

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Speaker 5: With a combined two point two five era through four games.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm curious to see what Brandon Williamson looks like tonight.

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Speaker 5: They are testing the absolute max of the depth of

860
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 5: the starting rotation. But if you went back before opening day,

861
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 5: you would say you have confidence in this starting rotation.

862
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 5: You would also say you worry a little bit about

863
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 5: the upside of the bullpen. And I think we're still there.

864
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 5: I think there are guys who have shown, hey, maybe

865
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 5: there's a next level to their game. Your friend and favorite,

866
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 5: Graham Ashcraft formed well last night. Connor Phillips and what

867
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 5: he's given them right now, Look, there are some concerns

868
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 5: about right Tony Santion's below right now, is Amelia Pugan

869
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 5: really a ninth inning guy that you can count on

870
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 5: for two straight years? And questions that will get sorted

871
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 5: out over the big one sixty two. But another part

872
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 5: of this was, Okay, we thought this would be a

873
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 5: solid bullpen, maybe lacking a lead upside. I think we're there.

874
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 5: And then an offense that I think we're going to

875
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 5: see needs to be care by one or two guys

876
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 5: over multiple week stretches. And I think that's going to

877
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 5: be the case throughout the year. If you look at

878
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 5: the red stats right now, they're hitting below two hundred.

879
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 5: As a team, they're bottom five and run scored. You

880
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 5: could say, listen, they've faced Garrett Crochet, Sonny Gray, Connolly

881
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 5: early and Brax and Ashcraft about to face Paul Skins tomorrow,

882
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 5: So there's reason to understand that they're not hitting the

883
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 5: ball one through nine. But we had concerns about the

884
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 5: bottom three and the reds order, and those concerns are

885
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 5: confirmed so far through four games. But we also thought

886
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 5: there were guys on this team that could carry this offense,

887
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 5: and we're seeing one guy do it right now in

888
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 5: salth Stewart, and we'll see at points during the year

889
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 5: it'll be Eli de Lacruz and at points during the

890
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 5: year it'll be Aohdio Suarez. And if those guys, if

891
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 5: they now have more of those guys that can do that,

892
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 5: you're going to see an offense that we thought could

893
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 5: be carried by specific players do that throughout the year.

894
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 5: So four games in three and one, with the talking

895
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 5: points we had before this season, I think so far

896
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 5: four games in Austin, I think those talking points are

897
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 5: at least somewhat confirmed.

898
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: As going forward, you just mentioned that the fact that

899
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: for some weeks it's gonna be Elie, sometimes it's gonna

900
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: be McLain sometimes Stuart. Like that, I think is their

901
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: strength right now is that they do have depth. They

902
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: have multiple guys that they can lean on and like

903
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: on Sunday when they need a Doe to hit a

904
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 2: three run homer, they now have that threat in au

905
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: Haaneo Suarez in the lineup that they just haven't had

906
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: as much in the past. I think the thing that

907
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: I've noticed, Yeah, they're not hitting very well under two hundred,

908
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, but they've walked a pretty decent amount.

909
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 2: They're getting on base at an okay clip. It feels

910
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: like they're putting together good at bats. It feels like

911
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of non competitive at bats. Early

912
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: on they were Their plan was to be aggressive against

913
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 2: Garrett Crochet on opening Day and it didn't work. But

914
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 2: since then, I mean, I feel like they're putting together

915
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 2: good at bats.

916
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 5: Hey, it's a really good point, Austin, because you can

917
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 5: dive into the numbers, and I'm not sure what the

918
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 5: numbers would tell you as opposed to their approach and

919
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 5: what it looks like this year. Maybe what it looked

920
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 5: like this time last year. But more importantly, it feels different.

921
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 5: And I think you make a good point on that

922
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 5: that it does feel different the way this team is

923
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 5: approaching there at bats this season to start twenty twenty six.

924
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 5: And I also go back to the idea again of

925
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 5: rewinding before the season started and we were all trying

926
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 5: to guess a number of what this team might win

927
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 5: and what it looks like compared to maybe what Vegas

928
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 5: is saying about this team and what seventy nine wins

929
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 5: eighty wins. This team won eighty three games last year,

930
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 5: And at this point last year, you couldn't drop salth

931
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 5: Stewart in the Red's lineup. You couldn't drop Aohenniosarez in

932
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 5: this lineup, You couldn't drop Matt McClain being productive into

933
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 5: this lineup. Now you add those three guys that we

934
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 5: all expect to be very productive for the Reds this year. Again,

935
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 5: I go back to understanding, I don't understand how anybody

936
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 5: can't think this team is better than they were last

937
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 5: year and that team won eighty three games, and how

938
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 5: the ceiling shouldn't be higher this year for the Reds

939
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 5: to get up to an eighty seven win season, an

940
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 5: eighty eight win season, maybe even pushing ninety win season,

941
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 5: even without Hunter Green for the first half of the season.

942
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 5: So I look at this team where they were last

943
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 5: year as opposed to where they are now this year,

944
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 5: and dropping in that length of the lineup. Now you

945
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 5: can talk about the bottom of the lineup, and right

946
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 5: now it's concerning. And when I talk about Noel Vie, Marte,

947
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 5: Key Brian Hayes, the catcher position, and those those four players,

948
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 5: when you include Stevenson and Travino, they're oh for twenty

949
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 5: nine yeah, oh for twenty nine to four games. Obviously

950
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 5: that won't continue, but it's still to me is a

951
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 5: concern for this team. Will they get it figured out

952
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 5: in right field? Will the catcher position hit at a

953
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 5: level that we expect? And can Key Brian Hayes hit

954
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 5: at a level that you keep his glove in the

955
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,479
Speaker 5: lineup they're going to It's gonna take something to get

956
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 5: him out of the lineup that we wouldn't foresee because

957
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 5: of the investment they've made in Key Brian Hayes. But

958
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 5: you've talked about it on the show, and I think

959
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 5: it's probably the best talking point of any for this

960
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 5: team through four games, is what are they doing with

961
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 5: Noel v Marte and what are they doing with the

962
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 5: right field position as a whole going forward? Because I'm

963
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 5: on this stance that I want to see more from

964
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 5: noelvi Marte before I make him just a straight platoon guy.

965
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: I agree, and.

966
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 5: It's i'd making him a platoon guy because of it's

967
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 5: been talked about so much his reverse splits that he

968
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 5: just doesn't hit left handers as well as he hits

969
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 5: right handers. But I think his upside of what he

970
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 5: gives them at the plate is someone that I want

971
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 5: to see in the lineup more often than not, and

972
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 5: more than just a platoon guy.

973
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I'm not there every day. I

974
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: don't know these people, but I just keep getting the

975
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: feeling that there is a constant having to light a

976
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: fire under the ass of Noelvie Marte like every day

977
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: to try to get him to That's just the feeling

978
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,760
Speaker 2: that I get. That might be inaccurate, but it feels

979
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: like there's a lot of like hands on that has

980
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: to happen to get the most out of Noelvie Marte.

981
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 2: Does that makes sense?

982
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,240
Speaker 5: It does and it goes back to what Charlie talked

983
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 5: about at spring trading when the Reds brought him in

984
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 5: and said it's not good enough. The effort isn't there,

985
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 5: And I do wonder if it's a hard thing sometimes

986
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 5: when a guy's position is changed and you expect to

987
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 5: be this part of the team. But you think about

988
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 5: anybody at whatever job they're doing right, and you come

989
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 5: in with with a certain set of skills and a

990
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 5: certain expectations of how you're going to add value to

991
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 5: whatever employer you're going to have. You know, in two

992
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 5: thousand and nine Austin, I was a sports producer sometimes

993
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 5: sports reporter a Channel nineteen. The recession hit and they

994
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 5: moved me into news and said you're going to be

995
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 5: a news reporter. And I hated it, right, but I

996
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 5: you know, I had a young child at home. I

997
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 5: was twenty nine years old, and I knew I had

998
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 5: to get a paycheck. So I sucked it up and

999
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 5: I did it, but I wasn't at my best. I

1000
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 5: gave my best, but I knew it wasn't my best.

1001
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 5: And you know, you sometimes wonder when a guy has

1002
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 5: an expectation of what they bring to whatever job it

1003
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 5: is and that has changed. You hope they can approach

1004
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 5: it with the same kind of mental stamina, mental energy

1005
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 5: it takes to do the job at a high level.

1006
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 5: And you know, Noelvi talked to us at spring training

1007
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 5: about how he thought the move would be good for him,

1008
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 5: how it unlocked him to put him in the outfield

1009
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 5: because for lack of a better word, he had a

1010
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 5: bit of a case and the yep's playing third base,

1011
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 5: and that he thought his arm might be playing better

1012
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 5: in the outfield, using that strong arm to throw guys out.

1013
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 5: And we saw a little bit of that last year.

1014
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 5: So it's interesting to me sometimes when there's a position

1015
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 5: change that it can affect a way a guy performs.

1016
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 5: But in this case, Noelvi Marte said he thought it

1017
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 5: would help him. And it's not just four games, because

1018
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 5: we can pick out the sample size and oh, look,

1019
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 5: it's just four games. He's over six and four games.

1020
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 5: But this goes back to spring training and not having

1021
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 5: a great spring, so it's not just four games. It's

1022
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 5: four games plus the month plus out in spring training,

1023
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 5: which wasn't good enough for him. In that Terry Francona

1024
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 5: had to pull him aside and tell him. Now listen,

1025
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 5: it's time to get it going. But again, I still

1026
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 5: want to see more of an opportunity for Noel Vie

1027
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 5: Marte before I pulled the plug on him as the

1028
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 5: everyday right fielder.

1029
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 13: For the Reds.

1030
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: And on the opposite, complete opposite end of that spectrum

1031
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: is south Stewart, who is a self starter, which is

1032
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: complete energy like he is to me, like the epitome

1033
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 2: of what this team can be when they're firing on

1034
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 2: all cylinders. And Francona has been proven right by putting

1035
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: him in that cleanup spot repeatedly through the first four games,

1036
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 2: that Suarez and others are getting up there with RBI opportunities.

1037
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 2: Even so last night was Spencer Steer driving one in

1038
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 2: on a sack fly. How important is not only the

1039
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 2: production of salth Stewart but the personality of south Stewart

1040
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: to this team.

1041
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, love the energy, talk to him about it yesterday.

1042
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 5: That's just who he is, what he brings. And you know,

1043
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 5: I talked to multiple guys inside the clubhouse yesterday and look,

1044
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 5: sometimes when you drop a twenty one year old right

1045
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 5: there into a four spot, which everybody kind of assumed

1046
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 5: would be Auheio Suarez. I'm not sure if it raises

1047
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 5: eyebrows or guys look at the side of their eyes

1048
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 5: at him, like, wait a minute, why is he getting

1049
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 5: the glamour spot in the lineup. All he's done is

1050
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 5: proven he deserves it, He's earned it, and the energy

1051
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 5: is real and everything he has said has backed it

1052
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 5: up on the field. And I go back to the

1053
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 5: conversation I had with him at red spring training when

1054
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 5: I asked him, you know, what did he learn about

1055
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 5: himself in the first year. You know, the cup of

1056
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 5: coffee he had September in the playoffs against the Dodgers,

1057
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 5: And it wasn't anything along the lines of, you know,

1058
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 5: I knew now I can hit major league pitching, or

1059
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 5: I knew I could now fit inside of a big

1060
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 5: league clubhouse. To him, it was I learned that in

1061
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 5: a pressure environment like the playoff chase and the playoff games,

1062
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 5: that I can perform. He didn't know until he saw

1063
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 5: it that he could do it. And now he's put

1064
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,919
Speaker 5: into a position where he's batting cleanup on opening Day

1065
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 5: in Cincinnati and performing the way he does every time.

1066
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 5: This guy has been given a challenge of a huge

1067
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 5: stage and a huge opportunity. He's done nothing but meet

1068
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 5: that challenge and meet it with the kind of energy

1069
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 5: that you would think is infectious across the entire clubhouse.

1070
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 5: I remember the night before the Reds clinched in Milwaukee

1071
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 5: when they won the game against the Brewers and they

1072
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 5: put themselves in position to either win an in or

1073
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 5: Mets lose in their in and talking to Sal Stewart

1074
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 5: after that game, it was almost like the Kobe Bryant,

1075
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 5: the job's not finished. The rest of the clubhouse kind

1076
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 5: of had this euphoria going right. They're on this high,

1077
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 5: they're making this run. They now have this moment, and

1078
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 5: Sal kind of looked at me like, dude, what are

1079
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 5: you talking about. We haven't done anything yet. You got

1080
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 5: to get on the field tomorrow and earn it. And

1081
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 5: to have that from such a young guy kind of

1082
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 5: felt like one of those special guys that gets it

1083
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 5: and kind of gets the moment. And then even yes,

1084
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 5: when he was talking about the idea he won, you know,

1085
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 5: the National League Player of the Week and he said

1086
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 5: that was something he dreamed of as a nine year old,

1087
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 5: I almost wanted to stop the conversation and say, Sala,

1088
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 5: did you really dream as a nine year old that

1089
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 5: you wanted to National League Player of the Week. But

1090
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 5: I knew what he was saying, right, Yeah, I knew

1091
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 5: what he was saying. These are the kind of awards

1092
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 5: and the kind of moments that you dream about as

1093
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 5: a kid. But he put everything back to the team.

1094
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 5: Drove everything back to the team, and guys are around

1095
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 5: and guys are listening to that kind of stuff inside

1096
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 5: the clubhouse, and I think south Stewart I said it

1097
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 5: during spring training. I told co workers this because they

1098
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 5: asked me a lot of questions about what was the

1099
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 5: best story of spring training. I said, south Stewart's going

1100
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 5: to become a fan favorite really quickly in Cincinnati from

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00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 5: what he did last year. But what he's about to

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Speaker 5: do this season, not only production Austin, but the way

1103
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 5: he carries himself and the way he plays the game

1104
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 5: is so very Cincinnati, and I think people here are

1105
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 5: going to fall in love with him really quickly.

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Speaker 2: One last Reds thing that I want to ask you

1107
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: a Bengals question as well before I let you go.

1108
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: Joe Danaman five nineteen, Paul Skiens pitches tomorrow for Pittsburgh.

1109
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 2: You have a chance to win this series. Does the

1110
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: fact that schimes looms tomorrow change the way you approach

1111
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 2: tonight and trying to win this series knowing, I mean,

1112
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 2: the guy through thirty seven pitches on opening day is

1113
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: gonna be a little bit fresh and probably a little

1114
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: bit hot, trying to get back to his form. Does

1115
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: that or should that change the way you approach tonight's game,

1116
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 2: even though it's Game five.

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00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 5: I do think two guys talking on the radio would

1118
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 5: say absolutely yes. I don't know if that changes anything

1119
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 5: inside of a Reds clubhouse where it's March, right, it's March.

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Speaker 5: You're not gonna oversell yourself to win one game.

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00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 2: The games in March count the same as the games

1122
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: in September. Joe, Nope.

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Speaker 5: And that's where I was going, because this is a

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00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 5: team that has said that. They've come out and said

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00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 5: that many times. Emilio Pagan said that just a couple

1126
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 5: of days ago about the extra inning game, that you know,

1127
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 5: sometimes you have to go for these games, no matter

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00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 5: if they're in March, April, or September, because every game,

1129
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 5: as we saw last year, could be the difference between

1130
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 5: a team making it or not making it in the playoffs.

1131
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 5: This year, now, I would like to think the Reds

1132
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 5: will have a little bit more cushion considering they're a

1133
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 5: better team in twenty twenty six and they were in

1134
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. But even more so than just going

1135
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 5: for it to get a win with Skins in the

1136
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 5: mountain tomorrow, you think about where this team is tonight,

1137
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 5: if they win tonight and they're four and one, going

1138
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 5: to face schemes instead of three and two and possibly

1139
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 5: staring down three and three. Just the difference that makes

1140
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 5: in a fan base who's trying to believe that a

1141
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 5: team can win the National League Central with Milwaukee getting

1142
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 5: off to a good start as we expected they would,

1143
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 5: playing the team they played in the opening series. So yeah,

1144
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 5: I think it's it's a fun talking point for two

1145
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 5: guys in the radio say absolutely, yeah, dial up your

1146
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 5: best relievers to go get it. We just have to

1147
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 5: see how the game plays out tonight and before they

1148
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 5: get tomorrow. But I'm with you, Paul Skins is looking

1149
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 5: to make a statement tomorrow after what happened in Game

1150
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 5: one on Opening Day.

1151
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: And on top of that, I mean, let's say you

1152
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 2: win tonight and you go into tomorrow and Skens is

1153
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 2: washed and you have a chance to go five and one.

1154
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: I mean, who's to say. I mean, we don't really know.

1155
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 5: And I also tell Reds fans this to Austin. Look

1156
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 5: at the schedule in April. I know there's a really

1157
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 5: good shot for the Reds to go like a rocket

1158
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 5: out of the gates here and be six seven, eight

1159
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 5: games above five hundred at the end of April, and

1160
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 5: give them give themselves a chance six seven to be

1161
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 5: in good position as they start May, and the games

1162
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 5: get harder and harder as the season goes, But the

1163
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 5: schedule does set up well for them the first month

1164
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 5: of the season.

1165
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: Without a doubt. Let me ask you a Bengals question,

1166
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: just because you and I are obviously on both ends

1167
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: of the flagship here. The NFL Annual meetings are happening

1168
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: right now in Phoenix. Katie Blackburn is not talking. Is

1169
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:54,479
Speaker 2: that a big deal?

1170
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 5: Don't have a great answer for that one, Austin, I

1171
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 5: really don't. I'll say it like this. Certainly, it's a

1172
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 5: big deal to Bengals fans, Okay, because Bengals fans have questions,

1173
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 5: have concerns, and I think it's important from people in

1174
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 5: leadership that I can talk to the people have an

1175
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 5: opportunity to take advantage of that and to share the

1176
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 5: vision and to answer questions that we all have about

1177
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 5: linebackers and visions of defense and building a team and

1178
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 5: understanding the importance of this coming season. And it's an

1179
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 5: opportunity from people in leadership to share that vision. I

1180
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 5: have to think there's a decent reason why this isn't happening.

1181
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 5: I do wonder that if we make the transition when

1182
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 5: the Bengals go to Mock Turtle Soup Day in the summer,

1183
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 5: maybe it's the transition from Mike speaking on that day

1184
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 5: to maybe Katie speaking, and maybe this is part of

1185
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 5: that transition. I don't know. I'm grasping it strong because

1186
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 5: I don't have a good answer to why Katie Blackburn

1187
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 5: wouldn't want to get in front of reporters and ask questions.

1188
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 5: But a lot of times in situations like this, I

1189
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 5: defer to there's God to be a reason, maybe a

1190
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 5: reason we don't know in a good reason, I'm not sure,

1191
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 5: but I do know this. Bengals fans do have concerns,

1192
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 5: do have questions, and a lot of times that falls

1193
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 5: on Zach Taylor to answer those and a lot of

1194
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 5: times the Bengals feel comfortable with him answering those questions.

1195
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 5: And I know Zach spoke today. Yeah, and I'm curious

1196
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 5: for when those stories, quotes, thoughts start dropping on the

1197
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 5: timeline because you and I have been waiting for those

1198
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 5: because we're not out in Arizona.

1199
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: I felt like this was the perfect time for her

1200
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: to talk. There's no Trey Hendrickson to talk about, there's

1201
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,720
Speaker 2: no stadium lease to talk about. Like things are pretty

1202
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 2: much buttoned up like it should have been relatively I

1203
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't want to say easy, because I

1204
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 2: don't think that's the word. But not the most newsworthy

1205
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 2: conversation that she's ever had, I guess is what my

1206
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 2: thought was. But I'll get into that more. And hour

1207
01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: number three, Joe, thank you for the time. What are

1208
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 2: you working on? What do you got coming up?

1209
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 5: So we have a lot coming up Austin, including the

1210
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 5: games for the Cincinnati Reds starting on Fox nineteen on Mondays.

1211
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 5: Just kind of get used to Monday Nights the Reds

1212
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 5: being on Fox nineteen. I know it's sometimes hard to

1213
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 5: find the Reds these days, especially for some folks who

1214
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 5: are learning how to dive into the streaming World. But

1215
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 5: starting on April twentieth, we have a nice stretch of

1216
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 5: Monday Night games including some Saturday games on Fox as well.

1217
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 5: The Hall of Fame Night's going to be on Fox nineteen,

1218
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 5: and then we're working on some big stuff for the

1219
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 5: NFL Draft. As the flagship station, we have some special

1220
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 5: programming coming up for that as well. So big month

1221
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 5: ahead for the Bengals flagship station that is Fox nineteen, Austin.

1222
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 5: As I'm showing the video all.

1223
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 2: You so you're telling me you're on TV as well,

1224
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 2: you're not just you don't just join us, you actually

1225
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 2: do work on television.

1226
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 5: I'm going to start referring to myself as since the

1227
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 5: three sixties, Joe Danaman.

1228
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 2: Well, Joe Danaman, since he three to sixty. That might

1229
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: be the name of the show this time next year.

1230
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 2: You never really know. People forget you're an Ohio sportscast

1231
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: of the year as well, you know, and it had

1232
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: long before you were appearing on this show. Uh, Joe,

1233
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: thanks man. Are you guys going to Pittsburgh?

1234
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 9: Are you?

1235
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: Is that too early to say?

1236
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 5: Or what do you we are Pittsburgh? Yes, Fox nineteen.

1237
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 5: The flagship will plant that flag right in enemy territory right,

1238
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 5: well in Pittsburgh, PA.

1239
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 2: Don't show uh, what's his face? A linebacker that you

1240
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 2: used to pay for Ohio State and now plays for

1241
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: the Steeler. What's that guy's name? Wan my blanket on

1242
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: Jack Jack Sawyer. Yeah, only the most iconic play in

1243
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 2: Ohio State history. All right, Joe, thanks so much man,

1244
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. That's Joe Daniman. This is since he

1245
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: three sixty on ESPN and fifteen thirty. Hey, Alexa, time

1246
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: for talkbacks. Press the microphone and record your message for

1247
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: Austin and tone. Please keep it clean and don't be mean.

1248
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 11: And a sprinkle, sprinkle, drip drip.

1249
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 2: It's that time for talkbacks.

1250
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 17: It's our favorite Carters three sixty, So Austin buddy, play those.

1251
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 18: Talkbacks on your screen and please try.

1252
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:08,760
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1253
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: Welcome back in time for talkbacks here on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1254
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 2: If you want to leave a talkback, go to the

1255
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. Just search ESPN fifteen thirty, Tap that little

1256
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: microphone and you can leave us a thirty second message.

1257
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,960
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1258
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 2: to your presets. It works just like a radio on

1259
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1260
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:40,160
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1261
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 2: Let's get to the talkbacks.

1262
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 4: How about them Red Lakes Onto heg go a start,

1263
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 4: took the series from the Socks, took the first game

1264
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 4: from the Pirates. Keep it going, boys. Nice debut by

1265
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 4: Jose Franco. You know, seeing Franco in the back of

1266
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 4: the redge Jersey takes you back to the eighties. There,

1267
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,439
Speaker 4: John Franco and people out there linking these possible city

1268
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 4: connect you ms.

1269
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 5: I like the red with the black pinstripes.

1270
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 4: Still not fond of that logo. See, I can't decide

1271
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 4: if it either looks like bacon or.

1272
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: An old stove burner top. See man, you and I

1273
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 2: differ a little bit, Kevin, because I think the sea

1274
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: is the best part of the uniform. We'll talk about

1275
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 2: those potentially leaked uniforms coming up.

1276
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 17: Went south, Duba came in. He was biggest, cooked off

1277
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:33,919
Speaker 17: twenty five pounds. Now he's again with Ethic siw Ray.

1278
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 17: You know he rakes so good, so that ethics ihow Ray,

1279
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 17: you know, he rakes good.

1280
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 20: Thank you a Audi EJ on the East End about

1281
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,440
Speaker 20: these colorful color announcers for college basketball. Yes, Bill Walton,

1282
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 20: who you and I both love, Raftree, I'm gonna take

1283
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,959
Speaker 20: you back in generation to Al mcguah, former head coach

1284
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 20: at Marquette who partnered with dick Enberg back in the day.

1285
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 2: Wonderful.

1286
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 20: Thanks for playing that clip of the duke call yesterday

1287
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 20: on the Yukon winning shot.

1288
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 2: Like you said, so duke to be calling for the technical,

1289
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, it's just the most duke thing ever

1290
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 2: for them. Oh, that was not supposed to happen, the

1291
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 2: most duke thing ever for them to call for the

1292
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 2: technical right away. Also, I'll be honest, I think Dan

1293
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 2: Hurley should have been called for a technical. I really do.

1294
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 2: The more I watch that video, the more I'm bothered

1295
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:33,719
Speaker 2: by it. More on that later.

1296
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 19: Too, Hey, Austin Steven Montgomery. The win thing I would

1297
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 19: ask Katie Blackburn is if she learned from the history

1298
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 19: of what happened when they didn't sign both Leon Hall

1299
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 19: and Jonathan Joseph and they spent the next ten years

1300
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 19: trying to get a solid cornerback duo, And hopefully they

1301
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:51,879
Speaker 19: learn from that lesson and they will extend both Dax.

1302
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 5: Hill and TJ.

1303
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 21: Turner.

1304
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 19: So I guess my question is are they going to

1305
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 19: try and do.

1306
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 22: That this year?

1307
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're on the right track there, Stephen

1308
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 2: the idea of asking asking her about the various positions

1309
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 2: in the past that they have failed to address or

1310
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,280
Speaker 2: let a player walk and have failed to fix in

1311
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: the immediate aftermath. Has anything about that process changed? How

1312
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 2: frequently do they look back on that? Do they consider

1313
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 2: that like self scouting of Hey, this is something we

1314
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,000
Speaker 2: did wrong, here's how we can improve it, Like what

1315
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: is their philosophy?

1316
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 11: Like?

1317
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 2: The Bengals have made it very clear that they believe

1318
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 2: in their process. And so if you believe in your process,

1319
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 2: and you're steadfast in your process, and you have confidence

1320
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,919
Speaker 2: in the people that are supposed to be executing your process,

1321
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 2: why not then talk about it?

1322
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:46,520
Speaker 5: Hey, Audie, it's christ and Alexandria.

1323
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 23: So, Chris, I love the idea about asking Katie Blackburn

1324
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 23: a question. One of the things I always question myself

1325
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 23: is are the Bengals more interested in making money or

1326
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 23: winning championships? So my question Katie Blackburn would be, Katie,

1327
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 23: do you feel every year that it's important to keep

1328
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 23: up with the rest of the league to spend the

1329
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,560
Speaker 23: full amount allotted for the salary cap in order to

1330
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 23: win championships.

1331
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: That's a good question, Chris, and I think that she

1332
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 2: would say, look back on the way we've spent in

1333
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 2: recent years, and that would tell you that we spend

1334
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,839
Speaker 2: a lot of our salary cap, and she would be correct.

1335
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 2: The issue with that, though, is it's a bit of

1336
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 2: a trap. Answer is that because they have heavy first

1337
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 2: year cap hits with very little dead cap, and they

1338
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 2: don't do void years and they don't add a bunch

1339
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 2: of money in the second year, it is almost an

1340
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 2: optical illusion that suggests they are spending up to the

1341
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 2: salary cap, but not necessarily spending as much cash as

1342
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 2: the other teams who are competing do so, like they

1343
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 2: played within the rules of the salary cap. But the

1344
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 2: cap isn't real, is the best way to say it.

1345
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,440
Speaker 2: There are ways to circumvent the salary cap through bonuses,

1346
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,639
Speaker 2: through signing bonuses, through all these different ways a void

1347
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 2: years and restructures and all this stuff that allow you

1348
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 2: to spend more cash than cap, and that's how great

1349
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 2: teams stay competitive. The Bengals philosophy is to do it

1350
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 2: within the cap and it causes them to miss out

1351
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 2: on free agents. That would be one of the questions

1352
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 2: I would ask.

1353
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 6: I'm really hoping that that we actually got vests. I

1354
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 6: wish they were white with red pen stripes and then

1355
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 6: just the normal City connect logo instead of the one

1356
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 6: that they have on it now with the white background.

1357
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 2: But it'll be cool either way. I think that'd be neat.

1358
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,519
Speaker 6: But yeah, if they would have just done the white

1359
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 6: with the red pen stripes, kind of like the old

1360
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 6: King Griffy Jr.

1361
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 2: Looking out and sick. Yeah, I agree. I do think

1362
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 2: from the ones that I've seen so far, Nike has

1363
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 2: kind of tamped it down a little bit then the

1364
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 2: first run of City Connects, they've been a little bit

1365
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,599
Speaker 2: more chill, and I think that this put central leak

1366
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 2: is what am I trying to say, signifying that as well,

1367
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 2: where it's not a lot, it's not a whole bunch

1368
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 2: going on. I think it looks okay. I'll give you

1369
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 2: more on that, Leader.

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01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 24: Boston, Joe PESHI here, Joe, I represent certain people who

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Speaker 24: have a sports entertainment adjacent business, understanding that you get

1372
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 24: what I mean. Anyways, my questions for Katie Blackburn is

1373
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 24: Miss Blackburn. Where the bleep do you get off telling

1374
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 24: us about this bleep and track record of success that makes.

1375
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 2: You think that you bleep and know what you're bleeping doing.

1376
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 2: Get out of here. Okay. I don't know that the

1377
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 2: bleeps are going to help you get an answer, but okay.

1378
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,719
Speaker 25: My question for Katie is pretty simple. Is the goal

1379
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 25: of the team net income? Or is it to win

1380
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 25: a Super Bowl?

1381
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 2: So that's two of those questions so far that Katie

1382
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 2: would be asked.

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01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 10: Hey, Joe from Casey here, there is not something I

1384
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 10: could care about less or have less interest in watching

1385
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 10: than flag football. I mean, is there really a market

1386
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 10: for it?

1387
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 2: I don't know who they go Reds. Yeah, I think

1388
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 2: that's a fair question. I do think if there wasn't

1389
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 2: a market for it, you wouldn't see so much of

1390
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 2: it happening now, you know, much like AAU at the

1391
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: basketball level, flag football and seven on seven specifically has

1392
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 2: become a big part of football at the youth level,

1393
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 2: and there is interest, especially from young women, in playing

1394
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 2: that sport, and the NFL wants to get as many

1395
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: women as involved as they can in the sport. So

1396
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 2: I think that's a huge part of it. I think

1397
01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 2: it's it's continuing the reach to more and more people

1398
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 2: as far as the NFL is concerned. But I will

1399
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 2: say this, I have watched. First of all, I'm a

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01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 2: sick person and I just think about football all the time,

1401
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: and I have NFL Network on like all the time,

1402
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 2: and I have watched these flag football games that they

1403
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 2: play up at the Hall of Fame Village in Canton

1404
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: and with these youth teams, boys, girls, all of it,

1405
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 2: and I'm highly entertained by it. And it's not just

1406
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: the typical football. It's very different than obviously real football,

1407
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 2: and there are different rules and different aspects and different

1408
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:17,320
Speaker 2: skill sets and things to lean into. So is it

1409
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 2: for everybody? No, it's not. But I do think if

1410
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 2: there is a way to advance the game of football,

1411
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 2: especially to young women into girls, and to teach the

1412
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 2: game of football through it, I think that can only

1413
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,759
Speaker 2: be a net positive for the game.

1414
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 26: The one question that I would ask Katie Blackburn or

1415
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 26: the Brown family is say to them, what did Cincinnati

1416
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 26: ever do to you to make them deserve what you

1417
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 26: guys have done to this organization. Right when you're on

1418
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 26: the cusp of winning and season after season you just

1419
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 26: fail miserably. What did this city ever do to you

1420
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 26: to deserve that?

1421
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 6: One?

1422
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:58,719
Speaker 2: H I wonder what Katie's response to that would be awesome.

1423
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 2: What's going on the man? It's ice.

1424
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,440
Speaker 27: Tom Talk doing a great job today on your subject.

1425
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 27: If the Reds should lock up South Stewart. They did

1426
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 27: try to lock up Ellie Della Cruz and Scott Boris

1427
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 27: said no.

1428
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 2: My only issue with this. I think it's a great idea.

1429
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 27: But if the Reds do this, will they spend money

1430
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 27: on other players or will it be like when they

1431
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 27: locked up Joey Vado and did nothing else.

1432
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. And there are some different

1433
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 2: people in the room now than when that happened. I

1434
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: mean Nick Kral was there and was a part of

1435
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 2: those conversations, and you know, Dick Williams isn't there anymore,

1436
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 2: and Walt Jockety's not there anymore, And maybe that would

1437
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 2: affect things, and maybe the revenue streams are a little

1438
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 2: bit different. I don't know if they would or wouldn't.

1439
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 2: I would trend towards the belief that they wouldn't spend

1440
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 2: as much money and that they would use that as

1441
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,640
Speaker 2: an excuse because that's what I've known them to be

1442
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 2: and known them to operate. I would hope that that's

1443
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 2: not the case. But you know the fact of the

1444
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 2: matter is, if Ellie is the player that we think

1445
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 2: Ellie is, they're not going to be able to afford him.

1446
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 2: They're not. And so the issue then becomes, what are

1447
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 2: you doing right now so that four years from now

1448
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 2: you didn't waste that dude and you can still be

1449
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 2: good without Ellie de la Cruz and you build that

1450
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 2: foundation now. But also you got to be able to

1451
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 2: maximize the opportunity you have with a star player. I mean,

1452
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh spent a lot of money this offseason, way more

1453
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 2: than they normally do, because they know they have Paul

1454
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 2: Skiings and it's not going to be guaranteed forever.

1455
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 28: It's the Lord Happy Tuesday, talk bag Nation. Way to go,

1456
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 28: Red Legs, way to go. Get off to a fast start.

1457
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 28: I got a start bench cut. What team Cincinnati do

1458
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 28: you think needs to get off to fast start the most?

1459
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 28: The Bengals, the Reds or Sintennat Cincinnati Bearcats football slash basketball.

1460
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 2: I'm going to always say the Bengals, but I do

1461
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 2: think because of the early schedule for the Reds and

1462
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: how difficult it gets later. They're going to need to

1463
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 2: build a cushion because it's not going to be easy,

1464
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 2: and the Big one sixty two or the Big one

1465
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 2: fifty eight, whatever is remaining is it's just difficult to

1466
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 2: deal with. So for that reason, I do think it's

1467
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 2: a toss up, but I'm gonna lean Reds just because

1468
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:30,759
Speaker 2: it's baseball season.

1469
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 29: Austin Greg sore really really like Sunday's lineup. Sure as

1470
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 29: a third Marte in the nine hole and Key Bryan

1471
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 29: late inning, pinch run, late inning defense. Yep, And I

1472
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,839
Speaker 29: really think that's his should be his role anyway. Another

1473
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 29: great job you're doing.

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01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 2: Today, Austin, Greg. Thank you very much, and I agree

1475
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: with you one hundred percent. I thought that was probably

1476
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 2: the best lineup that Tito had put it out and

1477
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:03,880
Speaker 2: obviously didn't score a bunch of runs, but still I

1478
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 2: agree with you. I think that should be the role

1479
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: for Kei.

1480
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 25: Brian Hayes double dip for Katie. How did season ticket

1481
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 25: renewals come in? The seat relocation email that came out

1482
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 25: yesterday showed a lot of seats open for moving around.

1483
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 25: Curious how season ticket renewals came in.

1484
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and how does that affect your decision making when

1485
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 2: it comes to building the football team. I would love

1486
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 2: to follow up with that.

1487
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'd like to ask Katie Blackburn, why in the

1488
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 12: world didn't you guys sign a linebacker when everybody on earth?

1489
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 17: One of you two? Maybe ask her?

1490
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 12: How much does Duke Tobin controlled a draft? Is it

1491
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 12: one hundred percent, seventy five fifty percent? Ghost south Stewart.

1492
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, all good questions.

1493
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 27: How do he tell Steve Pacific Northwest Well to stop

1494
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 27: back with the travel trailer from the desert.

1495
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 10: I always ended down there the last two weeks of

1496
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 10: spring training.

1497
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 2: I tell you what, boys, this is the year.

1498
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 27: I'm calling it first time since I was about seventeenth

1499
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 27: or eighteen sixty.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we're gonna win a playoff series. That's right, Go

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Speaker 10: Reds baby excited, excited.

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Speaker 2: The machine is back.

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Speaker 8: Audios, climb deck os.

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Speaker 2: Good to hear from you, Steve. It would be the

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01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 2: first time since October of nineteen ninety five.

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01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 4: Hey, Austin, with the draft coming up, here were the

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01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 4: chances the Bengals draft a player and not draft for need.

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Speaker 16: Do you think that's possible at the tenth pick.

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Speaker 6: And I think we agree there's no way they're trading

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01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 6: out of that spot, and they've never done it.

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01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,759
Speaker 2: In the past that I can recall, and I'm getting

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01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 2: to be pretty old.

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01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 5: Uh so, what you think player or need?

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01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 2: Well, if I'm not miss taken, they traded out of

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01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 2: what was it the twelfth pick for Cordy Glenn with

1516
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills in like twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen

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01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 2: or whatever draft that was. So I don't think it's

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01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 2: it's completely out of the realm of possibility, but I

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01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 2: do not think that it's likely. I just, based off

1520
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 2: of what we know from them over the course of time,

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01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 2: believe that they will draft for need because their needs

1522
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:34,480
Speaker 2: were not short up now. The good news is basically

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01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 2: every position that they need, there's gonna be a good

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01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,799
Speaker 2: football player at number ten, whether that's an offensive lineman,

1525
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 2: a linebacker, a cornerback, a safety, a defensive interior defensive player, like,

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01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 2: there's gonna be dudes there. So I think, based off

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01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,839
Speaker 2: their history, they will draft for need and not draft

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01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 2: best player available.

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Speaker 22: Noel V.

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Speaker 30: Marte's inability to hit level handed pitching is huge, resigns

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01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:05,639
Speaker 30: is waiting down a triple A. He's got six kits

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01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 30: and eleven at bats, five sixty five batting average, four RBIs,

1533
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 30: including a game winner. He can hit left hand pitching.

1534
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 30: He can feel better than the well the Marte and Nuelvee.

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01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 30: Marte has options left. Yeah, I think the string is

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01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 30: very short.

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01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point, and good on you for

1538
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 2: pointing that out because I failed to mention re signs earlier.

1539
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 2: And you're exactly right. Had an awesome spring training, is

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01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 2: a very good defender, is one of the fastest players

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Speaker 2: in the organization. Absolutely, that is a great, great point. Hey,

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01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:52,519
Speaker 2: did someone say creamy parn Hei right right? Good to

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01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 2: hear from you.

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01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 18: You know, I thought Kats had nine lines.

1545
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 5: I didn't know Tigers did too.

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01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 2: It's a good one. It's a good one. It's a

1547
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 2: good joke.

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01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,799
Speaker 18: Hey, Austin, Jeff and your Richmond a great show today.

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01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:07,799
Speaker 18: You're doing awesome.

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01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 2: Thank you.

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01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 18: Hey, answer your question about when I would ask Katie,

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01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 18: I would ask her if, in a make or break year,

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01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 18: do you think Duke Tobin is doing the job? You know,

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01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 18: because his job is apparently on the line, So I'd

1555
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 18: like to know if she thinks that he's doing a

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01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 18: good job.

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01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would ask her, is Duke's job on the line,

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01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 2: because there is a belief externally that he is a

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01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 2: part of the family and he basically can't get fired,

1560
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,799
Speaker 2: and is that true? That would be one of my questions.

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01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 2: Is is Duke Tobin competing building fighting for his job

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01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 2: this season? And if not, why not?

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01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 4: My question for Katie would be, what makes you think

1564
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 4: your way of doing business is always successful when the

1565
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 4: line three seasons is evident that it does not.

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01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 2: It's a great question. Defend your strategy, defend your philosophy,

1567
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 2: defend your way of doing business. You have not achieved

1568
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 2: the desired results. Why should we believe that your way

1569
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 2: of doing things works? Great question, great job, great questions

1570
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 2: from everybody today here on Talkbacks. Talkbacks return tomorrow, same

1571
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 2: time with big tone. We'll take a break, We'll come back.

1572
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 2: This is Tony Pike's since e three to sixty on

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01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 2: the Home of the Bengals, ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: Is Your three sixty continues now on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Wrapping up our number two here on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 2: We'll go to the phones in just a second. By

1577
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 2: the way, phone lines are open the rest of the

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01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 2: show five on thirty seven, four nine, fifteen thirty. If

1579
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 2: you want to call in, make your voice heard. Coming

1580
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 2: up in our number three, we'll talk a little bit

1581
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 2: about the Bengals, a little bit about the Katie Blackburn thing.

1582
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 2: The NFL just approved four rule changes for next year.

1583
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 2: I'll tell you about those, plus preview tonight's Reds game.

1584
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,600
Speaker 2: Brandon Williamson on the mound for Cincinnati as they go

1585
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 2: for their second straight series win. We'll do the O'Connor

1586
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 2: at Chani and Levy injury report, and so much more

1587
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 2: in coming up at three h five Today, it's Chick

1588
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:21,800
Speaker 2: Ludwick the Chickster in for Moe Egger. I am in

1589
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,760
Speaker 2: for mo Tomorrow. Tomorrow. On that show, we'll talk to

1590
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior. He's out in Phoenix right now covering

1591
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 2: the NFL annual meetings. We'll get Paul's takeaways from today's

1592
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 2: conversation with Zach Taylor and the lack of conversation with

1593
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 2: Katie Blackburn. That's all coming up tomorrow on The Moe

1594
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 2: Egger Show. But like I said, time for phone calls

1595
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 2: five one three seven, four nine, fifteen thirty. You can

1596
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 2: also tweet it me at Audiel Moore. That's a U

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Speaker 2: t y E l m O r E. Let's go

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Speaker 2: to our guy John in Boston. What's up, John Bostin?

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Speaker 13: Good afternoon.

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01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 2: As always doing a great job when you fly solo life.

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01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 31: My highest compliments to you.

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01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it absolutely.

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01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 31: So what I figure I'm going to try to help

1604
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 31: do the next couple of weeks is go through the

1605
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 31: draft stuff because I'm doing it for the football journal I.

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01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 2: Worked for and Lohold.

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01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 31: Patriots and Bengals have some similar needs, so like duplicitous,

1608
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 31: I can add some information. And one player I mentioned

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01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 31: yesterday to Tony was calib Banks defensive tackles. Caleb Banks

1610
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 31: defensive tackles from Florida six six three thirty five thirty

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01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 31: five inches on length and eleven inches for his hands,

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01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 31: and he's a massive guy, five flat in a forty,

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01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,839
Speaker 31: but he only played two games last year with an ankle.

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01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 31: I've heard rumors Kansasity might be interested at nine. I

1615
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 31: don't know if he's a top ten pick, but he's

1616
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 31: he's like a high floor, high ceiling guy because you

1617
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 31: know of those numbers.

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01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people like how disruptive he can be.

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01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 2: His size is obviously eye popping, but the injuries are

1620
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:55,719
Speaker 2: an issue. You mentioned he dealt with the ankle injury.

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01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 2: He also performed at the Scouting Combine this year with

1622
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 2: a broken foot and as of now as a broken

1623
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 2: foot a hairline fracture in that foot. So I think

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01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 2: he's gonna drop. I would. I would actually be thrilled

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01:26:08,120 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 2: if he's available for the Bengals at number in the

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01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 2: second round, Like I would be signed me up for that.

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01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if he'll drop that far, just because

1628
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 2: there's not a ton of depth at that position, but

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01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 2: that is a dude that that teams are definitely keeping

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01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 2: the eye on.

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01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:22,599
Speaker 14: Yeah.

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01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 31: Another player would be Kelgrip falk Edge from Auburn six

1633
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 31: six to eighty five. The intriguing prout about him Austin.

1634
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 31: He's twenty years old, so there's a lot of growth there.

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01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 31: He's a guy who could kick inside if necessary, but

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01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 31: also play outside. I think he'd be an interesting prospect again,

1637
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 31: more second and third round type player.

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01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:41,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 31: Obviously about at ten, I mean if if they get

1640
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 31: cam downs or sunny styles at number ten, I mean

1641
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 31: we'll be high fiving each other because that will be

1642
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 31: a successful drop ye off the bat.

1643
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 2: But I think I think a lot of people combine. Yeah,

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01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people. Compare Keldrick Falk to

1645
01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart like two prospects kind of cut from this cloth,

1646
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 2: very rare do possess that ability to play both inside

1647
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 2: and out more traits than anything, and still have to

1648
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 2: develop those traits and their physical attributes into being elite

1649
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:12,759
Speaker 2: past rushers.

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01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 16: Yep.

1651
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 31: And the last person I'll throw at you off the

1652
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 31: ball linebacker Jacob Rodriguez from Texas Tech. He's only six one,

1653
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 31: two thirty, but that's that's fine from off ball linebacker.

1654
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 31: This is a guy who has tremendous instincts leadership. He's

1655
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 31: already being called a guy who eventually the green dot.

1656
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 31: And there was kind of an underside linebacker from Texas Tech. Yeah,

1657
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 31: that did quite well for himself and made the Hall

1658
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 31: of Fame on Zach Morris.

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01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 2: So I think Zak Thomas.

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01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 31: I think those type of players, Now, that's not a

1661
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:45,360
Speaker 31: trade guy, that's a production guys. Right, maybe he's available

1662
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 31: in round three. I think we are focused on defense

1663
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 31: for the most part, But just a couple of nasers

1664
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 31: were all out there, and you know it's going to

1665
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:54,280
Speaker 31: be interesting to see where they go, especially at that

1666
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 31: second round pick.

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Speaker 2: Without a doubt, John, thank you for the phone call,

1668
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent. Like I've

1669
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 2: always been surprised that Rodriguez didn't get as much buzz

1670
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 2: just because watching enough of Texas Tech this year, you

1671
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 2: could tell this is a dude who is smart, who

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01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 2: knows what his position is supposed to be doing, what

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01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 2: the positions in front of him are supposed to be doing,

1674
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:18,759
Speaker 2: getting those guys in front of him lined up correctly,

1675
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 2: and the gaps and all that. You may have heard

1676
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 2: his story several times throughout the college football season that

1677
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:28,719
Speaker 2: his wife is a Blackhawk helicopter pilot in the Air Force,

1678
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:33,160
Speaker 2: which is incredibly impressive. And just watching and listening to

1679
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:37,439
Speaker 2: Jacob Rodriguez talk, you see just how impressive of a

1680
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 2: dude he is. But I do think there's some worry

1681
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 2: about his athletic ability, some worry about maybe his physical

1682
01:28:44,920 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 2: ability and size in the NFL. But John brings up

1683
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 2: a good point. There have been dudes that have overcome that,

1684
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 2: and especially a guy from Texas Tech and Zach Thomas

1685
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,000
Speaker 2: who wears a gold Jacket will be in Canton from

1686
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 2: now until the end of time, so it's certainly his possibility.

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01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm all in favor. We're of draft and Hall of Famers.

1688
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:03,240
Speaker 2: If you want to draft Hall of famers, go ahead

1689
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 2: and do that, all right. We'll take a break when

1690
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 2: we come back. Our number three on Tony Pike since

1691
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:12,919
Speaker 2: e three sixty. I'm going to react to the Katie

1692
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 2: Blackburn situation. Is it a big deal? Is it not

1693
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 2: a big deal? Plus, what if what Tony said on

1694
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 2: mock Draft Monday yesterday actually came true? I'll tell you

1695
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,840
Speaker 2: all about that next ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike since e three sixty about Cincinnati.

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01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: From Cincinnati, this is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 2: Hi, Hello, welcome in our number three, the final hour

1699
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 2: of Tony Pikes since e three sixty. Here on ESPN

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01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. My name's Austin Olmore, the big Fella Tone.

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01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 2: We'll be back with us tomorrow. Uh, he's going to

1702
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:58,760
Speaker 2: be solo tomorrow. I am filling in four Moegger one

1703
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,719
Speaker 2: hour from right now for Moeger will be chick Ludwig

1704
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 2: the Chickster is in the building. I can confirm he

1705
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 2: has his coffee, he has his computer. All he will

1706
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 2: need is you chick. Coming up later on this afternoon,

1707
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 2: Red's winners last night have a chance to win the

1708
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 2: series tonight against the Pirates. More on that coming up

1709
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 2: in just a little bit, But first I do want

1710
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the Bengals. Haven't talked

1711
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 2: too much football this week for obvious reasons, and there

1712
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,759
Speaker 2: hasn't been all that much going on, but the NFL

1713
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:34,599
Speaker 2: Annual Meetings are happening in Phoenix, and earlier this morning,

1714
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor met with the media and was with them

1715
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 2: for about forty minutes. Now, the people who are there

1716
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:43,439
Speaker 2: covering it, there hasn't been a lot that's come out

1717
01:30:43,479 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 2: about it, and I'm sure they're working on different stories

1718
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 2: and talking to a lot that goes on at the

1719
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 2: NFL Annual Meetings. Paul Dayner Junior from the Athletics said

1720
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 2: that they covered a lot of ground about the defense

1721
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 2: and all levels of the defense, the approach to the season,

1722
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 2: the extensions to young players Joe Flacco and Joe Burrow

1723
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 2: playing flag football, and we'll get a little bit more

1724
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 2: about that coming up. As those stories begin to come out.

1725
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:13,480
Speaker 2: But the story that seems to be the biggest story

1726
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 2: from this week is not that Zach Taylor is talking.

1727
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 2: It's that Katie Blackburn is not talking. I don't know

1728
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 2: that people fully understand because Mike Brown takes a lot

1729
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,400
Speaker 2: of the arrows and understandably so. And there's plenty of

1730
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 2: reasons for people and Bengals fans specifically to be critical

1731
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 2: of Mike Brown. But Katie is the most important person

1732
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 2: in that organization and makes many of the decisions and

1733
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 2: leads the charge on so much of what happens within

1734
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 2: that Bengals franchise. And when Mike is no longer the

1735
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 2: owner and the president, it's going to be Katie. And

1736
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:52,680
Speaker 2: there are a lot of things about the way the

1737
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 2: Bengals do business that fans don't like, that fans disagree with,

1738
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 2: and that fans would like clarification and understan standing about

1739
01:32:01,360 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 2: why they do things the way that they do. And

1740
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 2: that's completely fair, especially if you're one of those fans. So,

1741
01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 2: as we talked about earlier, pays a lot of money

1742
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 2: for season tickets, especially if you're one of those fans

1743
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 2: who lives here in Cincinnati and helped pay and build

1744
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 2: and continues to help pay and build for that stadium,

1745
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,639
Speaker 2: especially if you're one of the fans who spends any

1746
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 2: amount of money investing in this team, whether it's to

1747
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 2: buy a jersey or to buy a ticket to a game,

1748
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 2: or whatever it might be. Fans want transparency, Fans want understanding,

1749
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 2: Fans want some sort of indication that the plan you

1750
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 2: are trying to put in place is working. And I

1751
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:43,360
Speaker 2: think that's magnified by the fact that you have, in

1752
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 2: many people's opinion, the best quarterback in the National Football

1753
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 2: League on your team and you have not made the

1754
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 2: playoffs now for three consecutive seasons. You've made the playoffs

1755
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,760
Speaker 2: just twice over the last ten And if not for

1756
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,680
Speaker 2: that run in twenty twenty one, what really is the

1757
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 2: conversation about? What really is the conversation regarding this franchise

1758
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:08,200
Speaker 2: in the future of this franchise and Joe Burrow, I

1759
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:10,160
Speaker 2: think when they went on that run in twenty one,

1760
01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 2: it solidified the idea that, Okay, this is possible, and

1761
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,240
Speaker 2: now the standards at all levels need to be raised.

1762
01:33:18,200 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 2: And I do think the Bengals at times have done

1763
01:33:20,920 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 2: a good job of doing that, but they haven't done

1764
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:27,200
Speaker 2: a good enough job, and it has felt like from

1765
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 2: my perspective as a fan and my perspective talking about

1766
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 2: them every single day, is that there are times when

1767
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 2: the standard that has been set forth by the fan

1768
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 2: base does not meet the same standard internally by the

1769
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 2: front office. And I also think that there is maybe

1770
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:47,040
Speaker 2: a different standard, at least it feels this way, it

1771
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 2: is perceived this way from the players and the coaches

1772
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,320
Speaker 2: than there is in the front office. And that's an

1773
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 2: issue because you need all three levels front office, coaching staff,

1774
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 2: players to have the same standard and each day be

1775
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 2: working towards the same goal. And the Bengals, if you

1776
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 2: were to ask them, they would tell you that that

1777
01:34:07,680 --> 01:34:10,839
Speaker 2: is what they are doing. I disagree with that premise.

1778
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:14,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that the Bengals are willing to do enough,

1779
01:34:14,360 --> 01:34:18,400
Speaker 2: change enough, just enough, pivot enough, go over the top

1780
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 2: enough to make themselves and raise themselves to that standard

1781
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 2: that is going to be necessary, and certainly not to

1782
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 2: the standard at this point. I don't know that Joe

1783
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 2: Burrow holds himself in the players and the coaches and

1784
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 2: everyone else is such a high standard. I don't know

1785
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 2: that the Bengals front office wise are doing enough or

1786
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,600
Speaker 2: have done enough or are willing to do enough to

1787
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,600
Speaker 2: meet that standard, and it opens them up to criticism,

1788
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 2: and it should because this is the single most important

1789
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 2: player and era in the history of this franchise. I

1790
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,800
Speaker 2: have said this many times. I stand firm in this

1791
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 2: belief that if the Bengals screw up the Joe Burrow era,

1792
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 2: they will do irreparable damage to their fan base. They

1793
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:08,479
Speaker 2: will lose people, They will lose people for a long time.

1794
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 2: There will be people that will not come back because

1795
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 2: for the second time they will have a franchise caliber quarterback,

1796
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 2: a super Bowl caliber quarterback that they've screwed up. Now.

1797
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 2: You can say whatever you want about Carson Palmer and

1798
01:35:25,960 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 2: whether or not he was that level of quarterback. He

1799
01:35:28,240 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 2: certainly wasn't at the level of Joe Burrow, but you

1800
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,840
Speaker 2: felt like he had all the tools that he could

1801
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 2: have gotten you to a super Bowl and he did

1802
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 2: go to the NFC Championship Game with Arizona. And the

1803
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:45,840
Speaker 2: issue with Carson feels like the same issue with Joe.

1804
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 2: Are the Bengals doing enough to go all in? Are

1805
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,080
Speaker 2: they pushing all their chips at the center of the table.

1806
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 2: And the fact that we had this conversation with the

1807
01:35:55,160 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 2: talkbackers earlier today, and multiple times it was brought up, Hey,

1808
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,559
Speaker 2: do you care more about winning or do you care

1809
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 2: more about the bottom line of your business? That to

1810
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:11,440
Speaker 2: me is a major issue when it comes to your perception,

1811
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 2: and that's what bothers me the most about Katie not

1812
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 2: talking in Phoenix is that you have an opportunity to

1813
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 2: change the narrative. You have the opportunity to level with fans,

1814
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 2: to come eye to eye, to send your message to

1815
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,599
Speaker 2: the fans, to do the pr tour and say, hey,

1816
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:32,760
Speaker 2: we know that this offseason so far hasn't been good enough,

1817
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 2: and we know that our team needs to improve, and

1818
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 2: we believe in the guys we have, but we know

1819
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:39,760
Speaker 2: we need to do more. And what we've done for

1820
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,560
Speaker 2: the last three years is completely unacceptable and there is

1821
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 2: a pressure inside the building to fix it, and there

1822
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 2: are jobs on the line, and we know that the

1823
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 2: standard that we have met the last couple of years

1824
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 2: is not the standard that we have for ourselves or

1825
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 2: that our fans have for us, and so we are

1826
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 2: doing everything in our power to change that. It would

1827
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 2: not be hard for Katie Blackburn to do that. You

1828
01:37:04,520 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 2: have the platform, you can say that, you can reassure

1829
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 2: those people who might not want to be season ticket

1830
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 2: holders anymore. You can convince people who do want to

1831
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 2: buy back into this organization. You can tell people and

1832
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,040
Speaker 2: set the standard from the highest ranking person in the

1833
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 2: organization all the way down, what we've done is not

1834
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 2: good enough. You have the opportunity at owners meetings, really

1835
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 2: whenever you want to set that standard. But they don't,

1836
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 2: and that should bother you, because it bothers me. I

1837
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:44,360
Speaker 2: say constantly that I believe that this organization should be

1838
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 2: in an aggressive pursuit of a championship from the moment

1839
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 2: their feet hit the floor in the morning. And I

1840
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:51,639
Speaker 2: believe there are people in that organization that do feel

1841
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:57,400
Speaker 2: that way, and I know that they want to win,

1842
01:37:58,840 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 2: but they continually make things so much harder on themselves

1843
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 2: because they feel so far away, because the transparency isn't there,

1844
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:13,759
Speaker 2: because they're not leveling with fans, they're not relating to fans.

1845
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 2: It feels like they're so far away that they don't

1846
01:38:18,040 --> 01:38:19,639
Speaker 2: really want to talk to you. They don't really want

1847
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 2: to relate to you, they don't really want to make

1848
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 2: you feel seen, and they've sucked at this for a

1849
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 2: long time, and we've all said it, and we've all

1850
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,599
Speaker 2: acknowledged it, and all of us who are Bengals fans

1851
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 2: have felt it. And it's frustrating and it's annoying, and

1852
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 2: you would just hope that at some point the light

1853
01:38:38,520 --> 01:38:41,479
Speaker 2: bulb will come on and these people would say, you

1854
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:45,480
Speaker 2: know what, our fans deserve better. Our fans deserve transparency,

1855
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 2: our fans deserve truth. And instead of continuing to throw

1856
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,679
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor out to the wolves, or this past year,

1857
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 2: throw Zoop Tobin out to the wolves, We're gonna go

1858
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:55,639
Speaker 2: out there and answer the questions. Here's the other thing too.

1859
01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 2: If you do believe in your process, if you believe

1860
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 2: fully in what you're doing, in your plan and how

1861
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:05,840
Speaker 2: you want to execute it, and that it will work well,

1862
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,920
Speaker 2: then you should have no problem defending it. You should

1863
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 2: have no problem getting out there and saying, here's why

1864
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 2: we believe. Here's the resources we've given Duke, here's the

1865
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 2: resources we've given Zach. Here's the conversations we've given and

1866
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 2: we've had with Joe Burrow. Here's why we believe our

1867
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 2: process works. Here's why it's different in how it's different

1868
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:29,759
Speaker 2: from other processes across the league, and this is our mentality.

1869
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 2: It's not that hard to say, this is how we

1870
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:39,680
Speaker 2: believe in, this is how we operate. If you are

1871
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:44,920
Speaker 2: so convinced that your way of doing things works, well,

1872
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 2: then explain it, defend it, make sense of it to everybody,

1873
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 2: especially the people who are investing in your organization on

1874
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 2: a day to day basis. You know, the players would

1875
01:39:55,880 --> 01:39:58,759
Speaker 2: like to hear that too. You know, the coaching staff

1876
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 2: who's pissed off right now that you haven't given them

1877
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:04,720
Speaker 2: good enough players to actually compete because this offseason has

1878
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:07,559
Speaker 2: been such a failure in terms of roster building. They

1879
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 2: would like an explanation and understanding of the process. The fans,

1880
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 2: the season ticket holders, the people who are in the

1881
01:40:14,360 --> 01:40:20,240
Speaker 2: media every day criticizing you and questioning you. The former

1882
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 2: players like Andrew Whitworth, who had a thirty minute conversation

1883
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 2: with Kelsey Conway in the Inquiry this week saying the

1884
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 2: Bengals just don't do enough. They would like to understand

1885
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 2: your reasoning. It feels like the fourth year in a

1886
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 2: row we've had the same conversation. This is the most

1887
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 2: important offseason in Bengals history. Well, it is, and I

1888
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 2: don't know that what we saw from Joe Burrow last

1889
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 2: year his frustration. I don't know that that necessarily means

1890
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 2: that Joe is ready to bolt. I'm not there yet,

1891
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 2: and the people I've talked to have told me Joe

1892
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 2: Burrow is not there yet. But losing wears on people.

1893
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker 2: It wears on him, should wear on him. It's not acceptable,

1894
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 2: and there needs to be concrete proof and belief that

1895
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 2: the organization is doing everything possible to fix it. It's

1896
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:22,560
Speaker 2: maddening that the people in charge don't speak, They aren't transparent,

1897
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 2: and I get it. Not every owner in the NFL talks.

1898
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 2: Some of them are very hands off. Some of them

1899
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:31,120
Speaker 2: put their gms out there. The director play of personnel's

1900
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:36,720
Speaker 2: out there all that. I get it, and everybody has

1901
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:41,559
Speaker 2: different ways of doing business. This is the one time

1902
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,680
Speaker 2: of year we normally get to hear from Katie. I

1903
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 2: would have liked to have heard from Katie. And like

1904
01:41:48,920 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 2: I said to Joe Daneman, there's not a Trey Hendrickson

1905
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 2: contract you got to talk about. There's no stadium lease

1906
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 2: stuff that's really going on. It's really just football stuff.

1907
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:02,000
Speaker 2: And hell, the Competition Committee changed four or five rules today.

1908
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 2: You can talk about that stuff. And it's about team building,

1909
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 2: and it's about your philosophy to team building, and your

1910
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 2: financial philosophy and your fiscal responsibilities, that sort of stuff

1911
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:16,680
Speaker 2: that gives people an understanding of how you operate and

1912
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 2: why you operate the way you operate, so that you

1913
01:42:19,240 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 2: can clarify that portion of your business that she's not

1914
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 2: talking about. And I have a hard time understanding that

1915
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:31,480
Speaker 2: even if you just look at it from a pr perspective.

1916
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 2: This is your opportunity to control the narrative. And yeah,

1917
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 2: of course you're going to open yourself up to more

1918
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:41,440
Speaker 2: questions and you're going to open yourself up to criticism.

1919
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 2: That's part of a gig. But that doesn't mean that

1920
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 2: that you're not going to be criticized for not talking,

1921
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 2: because it makes you look worse. It makes it look

1922
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 2: like you're hiding something. It makes it look like you

1923
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:56,559
Speaker 2: don't believe in your plan, It makes it look like

1924
01:42:56,640 --> 01:43:01,639
Speaker 2: maybe you don't have a plan. From that perspective alone,

1925
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 2: you have the chance to explain yourself and defend yourself

1926
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 2: and control the narrative, and you don't even do that,

1927
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:17,840
Speaker 2: And it makes people wonder just how committed are you,

1928
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:25,639
Speaker 2: How how much of a priority is winning a Lombardi Trophy.

1929
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 2: You might believe it in your heart, you might say it,

1930
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:36,040
Speaker 2: but if you don't show it, how are people supposed

1931
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 2: to believe it? This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

1932
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Speaker 1: From the locker room whispers to stadium roars. He's got

1933
01:43:45,240 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 1: it all, Moeger today at three pm on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1934
01:43:54,920 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 2: Welcome back since e three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm

1935
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 2: Austin Elmore. Phone lines are full after that, Brant, I

1936
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:07,919
Speaker 2: just went on five fifteen thirty. Let's go to the phones.

1937
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:11,639
Speaker 2: Let's start with Steve in Charlotte. Steve, what's up?

1938
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:13,760
Speaker 13: Well, what's up, guys? How are you doing?

1939
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 2: Good man? What's on your mind?

1940
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:17,280
Speaker 21: Well, it's good to Like I said, I know that

1941
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:19,639
Speaker 21: Tony and everybody's gone, but you know, come out there.

1942
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 21: I always drive up for the games, even the Reds

1943
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 21: games stuff like that, for the you know, to see everybody.

1944
01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 21: But I just I got season tickets. I come up

1945
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 21: for most of the get for most all the games.

1946
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:34,680
Speaker 21: I just went online because I got the seat relocation

1947
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:37,840
Speaker 21: email this morning. So whenever they're not grade, my seats

1948
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 21: moved down a little bit close to the field and

1949
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 21: one fifty one. But I'm gonna tell you right now, this,

1950
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 21: this is it. This is the last year. I've been

1951
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 21: a season ticket all for a while. Moved to Charlotte

1952
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:50,679
Speaker 21: twenty sixteen, and I don't think that there's a First

1953
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 21: of all, there's a ton of seats open for seat,

1954
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 21: which means a lot of people give their seats up.

1955
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:58,599
Speaker 21: Almost my entire row in one fifty two rows thirty

1956
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 21: nine was given up, so I moved closer. But I

1957
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 21: don't think that, you know, I think a couple of

1958
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 21: years ago it started for me whenever Mike Brown gave up,

1959
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 21: you know, he sold the naming rights. I mean, he

1960
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 21: took his dad's name off of the building, you know.

1961
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:17,640
Speaker 21: I mean, if he doesn't care about his his his

1962
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 21: family's legacy and having his name on the building, does

1963
01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 21: he really care about the fan base? That's something you should,

1964
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 21: you know, we need really look a hard, you know,

1965
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 21: take a hard look at because I mean, his dad's

1966
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:29,760
Speaker 21: name and now it's pay corps. I get it, but

1967
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:33,559
Speaker 21: that was his dad's name, family legacy. He was gift wrapped.

1968
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:37,559
Speaker 21: He and Katie Blackburn and everybody, they were gift wrapped.

1969
01:45:37,560 --> 01:45:38,160
Speaker 32: This team.

1970
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:40,640
Speaker 21: They were just it was just given to him. They

1971
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:42,720
Speaker 21: didn't have to work for it. So do they really

1972
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 21: appreciate anything they have? And it's hard to believe that

1973
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 21: they actually do. What's your thoughts on that?

1974
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve, thank you for the phone call, the the thing,

1975
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:54,479
Speaker 2: the idea of selling the naming rights to the stadium.

1976
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:56,320
Speaker 2: I have no problem with that. I think that's a

1977
01:45:56,360 --> 01:46:01,919
Speaker 2: smart business decision. His Dadd's name is still on the stadium,

1978
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 2: and they and created the Ring of Honor, and he

1979
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 2: was the first name and that is never going to

1980
01:46:07,680 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 2: go away as far as the Bengals are concerned and

1981
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 2: as long as they exist. That was a smart business

1982
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 2: decision and it made sense. So I don't care about that.

1983
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 2: I also think that the way that Paul Brown in

1984
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 2: his life and his legacy went, everything that happened in

1985
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:32,599
Speaker 2: Cleveland and how that affected him, that had a profound

1986
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:36,719
Speaker 2: impact on Mike Brown, and I don't think he takes

1987
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:40,240
Speaker 2: that lightly. And I don't think he sold the naming

1988
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 2: right to the stadium, which he could have done from

1989
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 2: the very beginning. I don't think he took that lightly.

1990
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:48,400
Speaker 2: So to say that they don't care and that they've

1991
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 2: never had to work for it in bubble. I don't

1992
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:53,479
Speaker 2: really agree with that statement. I don't agree with that

1993
01:46:53,560 --> 01:46:58,360
Speaker 2: sentiment whatsoever. This is their family business, this is all

1994
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:03,040
Speaker 2: they've ever known, and I think they care. But I

1995
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:06,240
Speaker 2: think they have a process that they have not been

1996
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:11,120
Speaker 2: willing enough to change. There have been sprinkles, there have

1997
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:13,840
Speaker 2: been little things here and there, but not quite enough.

1998
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:17,919
Speaker 2: And I would like to see that, you know, finally

1999
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 2: final push over the top to fix it. Let's go

2000
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 2: to Brian and for Thomas. What's up, Brian?

2001
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:25,679
Speaker 22: Oh?

2002
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 16: Not too much? How you doing the AUTI I appreciate

2003
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:33,480
Speaker 16: the I don't know what that wasonification?

2004
01:47:33,720 --> 01:47:35,600
Speaker 2: I guess yes, pentification.

2005
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:38,679
Speaker 16: So first off, I guy just touched on the rads

2006
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:42,719
Speaker 16: about Yeah, of course that Chase Burns that he looked

2007
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 16: absolutely nasty last night. That slider is unhittable. Yeah, and

2008
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 16: he's and South Stewart. After that ball he took on

2009
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 16: Open Day, I thought, oh my lord, he broke his wrip.

2010
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:58,840
Speaker 16: And if you don't like him after that, every he's like, oh,

2011
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 16: I'm good uch and go the dugout and he's just

2012
01:48:01,880 --> 01:48:04,679
Speaker 16: like he he looks at it's I'm fine, don't worry

2013
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:06,840
Speaker 16: about it. And if you don't like him after that

2014
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:13,160
Speaker 16: situation and after the way he plays, he's fantastic. So

2015
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 16: in regards to the Mangal situation, I mean, their answer

2016
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:19,719
Speaker 16: is very clear. They care much more about the bottom

2017
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 16: line than they do winning. I mean there's things that

2018
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,240
Speaker 16: look at first off, the bubble, I mean, the five

2019
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:29,000
Speaker 16: billion dollar organization, and they can't build a permanent practice facility,

2020
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:33,320
Speaker 16: and they put that monstrosity, the health and wellness stuff

2021
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 16: they haven't improved on in years. I mean it's clear

2022
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:42,439
Speaker 16: that don like a big time verization isn't their priority.

2023
01:48:42,479 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 16: It's it's it they just don't spend the money the

2024
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 16: way other NFL teams do. I I really doubt the

2025
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 16: La Rams have a bubble day practice in I would

2026
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 16: I would just bet they don't. And do you think

2027
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:56,680
Speaker 16: do you think there do you think their fans ever

2028
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 16: question if they're dedicated to winning? Do you think that

2029
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 16: they thinking? Man, we don't know if they really want

2030
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:05,880
Speaker 16: to win? Like we are answers. We already know all

2031
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 16: these answers. It's it's clear, and I'm you know, I'm

2032
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 16: like everybody else. If if Joe leaves without a Super Bowl,

2033
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 16: I weave and I just can never This is you

2034
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:21,600
Speaker 16: know this is our opportunity, and I just feel like,

2035
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:23,719
Speaker 16: as a fan, it's just getting wasted.

2036
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you. I hear you, Brian,

2037
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:28,439
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of Bengals fans that feel

2038
01:49:28,479 --> 01:49:31,200
Speaker 2: the same way. And thank you for the phone call. Yeah,

2039
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:34,679
Speaker 2: I mean again, they have they have done things that

2040
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 2: they have improved on. The bubble is the bare minimum

2041
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 2: and it took them way too long. And they like

2042
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:47,200
Speaker 2: having all their operations basically centralized. And you know, I

2043
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 2: don't know that I necessarily agree with that. I see

2044
01:49:49,560 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 2: where they are coming from. They have completely redone their

2045
01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 2: training room, they have invested in they've redone the locker room,

2046
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 2: They've invested in a lot of that stuff. They've gotten better,

2047
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 2: But then they don't treat the families correctly, or they

2048
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:05,040
Speaker 2: don't have good enough nutrition, like there's always something else

2049
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:08,680
Speaker 2: that feels like holds them back. And is that a

2050
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 2: prerequisite for being a super Bowl caliber team? No, it's

2051
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 2: not being a prerequisite to the prerequisite is getting the

2052
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 2: right players in and building around them the correct way.

2053
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 2: But the little stuff around it doesn't help to acquire

2054
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:24,880
Speaker 2: those players and get people to be there and all that.

2055
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,640
Speaker 2: So I certainly get where you're coming from, and it

2056
01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,599
Speaker 2: does feel like in some of those categories they're lagging behind.

2057
01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:34,440
Speaker 2: I think they were twenty seventh overall ranking in the

2058
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 2: NFLPA report cards. By the way, John Lynch said this

2059
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:40,639
Speaker 2: week that after those report cards came out, they met

2060
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 2: with players and they said, what do you want us

2061
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 2: to do? And how do you want us to fix it?

2062
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:47,559
Speaker 2: And they're fixing it. That's the point of the NFLPA cards.

2063
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,160
Speaker 2: I would love to know if the Bengals had any

2064
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:52,639
Speaker 2: similar conversations. Let's go to Dave in Florida. What's up, Dave?

2065
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:55,599
Speaker 32: Hey, AI, how you doing today?

2066
01:50:55,680 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 2: Good man?

2067
01:50:58,160 --> 01:51:01,720
Speaker 32: So I agree with what you just said. Okay, but

2068
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:05,120
Speaker 32: I've been a fan. I've been I'm fifty six years old,

2069
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 32: so I go back. You know, I was ten years

2070
01:51:08,439 --> 01:51:10,400
Speaker 32: old when they went to their first Super Bowl, all

2071
01:51:10,479 --> 01:51:16,800
Speaker 32: right in nineteen eighty. So I've seen this organization say

2072
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 32: the same stuff that you're wanting them to say, over

2073
01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:24,400
Speaker 32: and over and over again. They come out, we're unacceptable.

2074
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 32: I've seen Mike Brown do it in a press conference

2075
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:29,679
Speaker 32: with Marvin Lewis sitting right next to him. I've seen

2076
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:32,759
Speaker 32: Mike Brown do it at mock turtle soup. I've seen

2077
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:36,320
Speaker 32: Duke Tobin come out say the same stuff, and it's

2078
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:40,080
Speaker 32: just it's just lip service. They never change. They're never

2079
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 32: going to change.

2080
01:51:41,640 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 14: You know.

2081
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:46,600
Speaker 32: Everybody wants and everybody wants to put a lot of

2082
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:50,720
Speaker 32: this on Duke, and I'm I'm you know, I'm not

2083
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 32: defending him in any way, but he's not the one

2084
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:57,720
Speaker 32: that writes the checks, you know, if you had, I mean,

2085
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 32: Howie Roseman has more autonomy with the Eagles than Duke

2086
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:08,599
Speaker 32: Cobin does in his Little Finger, you know, So anytime

2087
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:11,080
Speaker 32: Duke wants a player, he's still got to go to

2088
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:15,080
Speaker 32: Mike and say this is what we need, and Mike's got.

2089
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:15,759
Speaker 13: To write the checks.

2090
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 21: And that's never gonna change.

2091
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:20,920
Speaker 32: And until you know, and we've seen this book written

2092
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:24,280
Speaker 32: a lot on what happens is every time they get

2093
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 32: to the mountaintop. Okay, they go to a super Bowl,

2094
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 32: or they go to make five straight playoff appearances or

2095
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:34,960
Speaker 32: do whatever. Then they fall off the cliff until seats

2096
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 32: start being empty, and then all of a sudden, we

2097
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:40,200
Speaker 32: go out and we sign players, we bring this guy in,

2098
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:41,720
Speaker 32: and all of a sudden we get back to the

2099
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:44,519
Speaker 32: playoffs and we reach the mountaintop again and we're gonna fall.

2100
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 5: Off the cliff.

2101
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:49,240
Speaker 32: It's the same book every time. And nothing's ever going

2102
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:53,599
Speaker 32: to change with this organization, unfortunately, and even and I'm

2103
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:57,040
Speaker 32: not trying to be Mormon or you know anything, but

2104
01:52:57,160 --> 01:53:01,240
Speaker 32: when Mike goes, nothing's gonna change. When Katie takes over,

2105
01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 32: the only way anything ever changes is they give up

2106
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:09,519
Speaker 32: the organization. And so until we all as fans, and

2107
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:12,840
Speaker 32: you know, I live down in Florida and I go,

2108
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:15,800
Speaker 32: I spend a ton of money on DirecTV and the

2109
01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 32: NFL network and or the NFL ticket and I buy

2110
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:22,000
Speaker 32: all the gear, and I you know, I got my

2111
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:26,120
Speaker 32: grandson buy all his stuff, and I travel to certain

2112
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:28,360
Speaker 32: Civil weight games. So I spent a lot of money myself.

2113
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:31,720
Speaker 32: And it's frustrating as a fan. Yeah, you know, but

2114
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:34,799
Speaker 32: I'm gonna, you know, and I'm guilty as everybody else's.

2115
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:38,040
Speaker 32: I keep following them, but I will say this, and

2116
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:42,040
Speaker 32: if they don't make it back to a super Bowl

2117
01:53:42,520 --> 01:53:47,599
Speaker 32: before Joe's contracts up, Joe's gone and Jamar's right out

2118
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:50,679
Speaker 32: the door with him. And like you said, if that happens,

2119
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 32: and I've said it before, I've said it too. This

2120
01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:55,720
Speaker 32: organization is done, they might as well just sell it.

2121
01:53:56,240 --> 01:53:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave, thank you for the phone call, and I

2122
01:53:58,040 --> 01:54:00,639
Speaker 2: understand your frustrations, and a lot of Bengals would agree

2123
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:04,320
Speaker 2: with you. And you know, I think there was when

2124
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaker 2: Burrow got here. I think there was a hope that

2125
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:12,160
Speaker 2: came across the fan base, especially after the Super Bowl run,

2126
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:15,760
Speaker 2: where it's like, Okay, this dude might be enough to

2127
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:19,680
Speaker 2: get them to change. They also were as aggressive as

2128
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:21,920
Speaker 2: they had ever been in free agency prior to that,

2129
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:25,720
Speaker 2: and so there was this belief that, Okay, this is

2130
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 2: a new era of Bengals football. They were aggressive in

2131
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 2: free agency. They've got this franchise quarterback. Now they can

2132
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:35,920
Speaker 2: this this is their chance. The window is now here.

2133
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:40,080
Speaker 2: And they were very good in twenty twenty two. They've

2134
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:44,760
Speaker 2: missed in three in the last three seasons, and now

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Speaker 2: the pressure is mounting. And not enough was done over

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Speaker 2: the last few seasons in the off season to maintain

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01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:52,840
Speaker 2: the level of play that you need to and they

2138
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:56,240
Speaker 2: obviously got unlucky with the injuries, and that has not

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01:54:56,400 --> 01:55:01,040
Speaker 2: helped by any stretch of the imagination. But I think

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Speaker 2: there is there was this hope, maybe that we didn't

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01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:07,360
Speaker 2: even realize we had for a lot of Bengals fans

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Speaker 2: that Burrow's arrival would elicit change, and especially early on,

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Speaker 2: you saw some of that which made you believe that

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Speaker 2: even more. And for the last couple of years you

2145
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:24,360
Speaker 2: haven't seen it as much. While the losses pile up

2146
01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:29,480
Speaker 2: and the playoff appearances dwindle, and the frustration within the

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01:55:29,600 --> 01:55:33,520
Speaker 2: organization and the understanding of Burrow and all that is

2148
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:36,440
Speaker 2: starting to be stoked that flame a little bit. It

2149
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:40,000
Speaker 2: makes you wonder what is the end game? It really

2150
01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:45,320
Speaker 2: is and and yeah, it's it's a tough pill to

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Speaker 2: swallow at times. Let's go to College Hill and talk

2152
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Speaker 2: to Brian. What's up, Brian?

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01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:50,920
Speaker 16: Hey, what's up?

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01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:52,480
Speaker 13: Already? You're doing a great job.

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01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 13: I'm glad. I loved your dissertation. Man, that was great.

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01:55:57,400 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 13: Thank I mean, you hit every point. And it's exactly

2158
01:56:01,600 --> 01:56:04,000
Speaker 13: how I've been feeling for for years. You know, we

2159
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:06,840
Speaker 13: used to go down there. You know, my cousin had

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01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 13: season tickets and we would just we'd be down there

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01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:13,440
Speaker 13: every year. But I'm going to ask you a couple

2162
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:17,000
Speaker 13: of questions, Like, when the Bengals were really successful back

2163
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:22,120
Speaker 13: in their heyday in the eighties, did Mike Brown. Did

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01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:27,560
Speaker 13: Pap Brown have a larger scouting department back then or

2165
01:56:27,800 --> 01:56:31,000
Speaker 13: were they like really what what they got like six

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01:56:31,120 --> 01:56:32,200
Speaker 13: or seven of them right now?

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01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:34,120
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what it is. I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that question. To be honest,

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01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:43,400
Speaker 2: I would assume that it was probably similar in size

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Speaker 2: as to what it is now.

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Speaker 13: I don't know, to be honest, I mean, because they

2172
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:50,720
Speaker 13: really they went to a lot of HBCUs.

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Speaker 14: They seem like.

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Speaker 13: They branched out a lot more back in those days,

2175
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:58,880
Speaker 13: and they hit on some really good players. But my

2176
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:03,120
Speaker 13: thing is, like the Bengals just want to do things

2177
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Speaker 13: their way, yep, because because every every other NFL team

2178
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:13,720
Speaker 13: has a different style of scouting of uh you know, uh,

2179
01:57:14,120 --> 01:57:17,800
Speaker 13: you know, bringing players into their organizations and they develop them.

2180
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:22,360
Speaker 13: The facilities are better. I mean, a lot of things

2181
01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:24,040
Speaker 13: are a lot better. I had a cousin that played

2182
01:57:24,040 --> 01:57:25,600
Speaker 13: for the Bengels, so he told me a lot of

2183
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:27,320
Speaker 13: stuff about them that you know, I was.

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01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:28,320
Speaker 5: I was blown away.

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Speaker 13: But I'm just wondering if Mike Brown will be how

2186
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:35,800
Speaker 13: much day to day will he be into like in

2187
01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:38,840
Speaker 13: the near future, because the guys like almost ninety years old,

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01:57:39,960 --> 01:57:42,000
Speaker 13: so I don't I don't know how much longer he

2189
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:44,960
Speaker 13: would be there. And then another question to answer all

2190
01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 13: this when I hang up is do they have the

2191
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:51,120
Speaker 13: cap space to spend money to get to get these players?

2192
01:57:51,120 --> 01:57:53,400
Speaker 13: I mean, because Max Crosby is sitting right there, man,

2193
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:55,880
Speaker 13: I would make I would shake the NFL world and

2194
01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:58,480
Speaker 13: I would go get Max Crosby even though they knew

2195
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:01,440
Speaker 13: like he was only halfway through his rehab, you know,

2196
01:58:01,480 --> 01:58:03,640
Speaker 13: and the Ravens you know, said he did the past

2197
01:58:03,800 --> 01:58:06,320
Speaker 13: physical I would make a stack. I would at least

2198
01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 13: kick the tires on him.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 13: And I just feel like, you know, to see other

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01:58:13,240 --> 01:58:16,800
Speaker 13: teams being successful, being conclust you know, why don't you

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01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 13: follow sup like I adopt some of these some of

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01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:24,240
Speaker 13: these changes man, that other teams are making. And lastly,

2204
01:58:25,400 --> 01:58:28,160
Speaker 13: do you feel like, I mean, in your heart of hearts,

2205
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 13: I don't know this. You know, people say this all

2206
01:58:30,920 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 13: the time. Do you think the Bengals really, in their

2207
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:40,080
Speaker 13: heart of hearts want to win a Super Bowl? Or

2208
01:58:40,120 --> 01:58:43,560
Speaker 13: did they just of course, you know, you got Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 13: I mean, that's that's that's a good chance you might

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01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:48,040
Speaker 13: make it to the Super Bowl. And you know, but

2211
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:51,280
Speaker 13: he got sacked a thousand times when they still made it.

2212
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:54,200
Speaker 13: But do you think in their heart of hearts, in

2213
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:56,640
Speaker 13: your heart of hearts, do you think the Bengals want

2214
01:58:56,640 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 13: to win a Super Bowl? And do they just want

2215
01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:02,400
Speaker 13: to do it their way?

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01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 2: That's exactly it, Brian, and thank you, And yes, I

2217
01:59:05,480 --> 01:59:07,360
Speaker 2: do think they want to win a super Bowl. I

2218
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:10,120
Speaker 2: think they want to win a super Bowl badly. But

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01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:15,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if they are willing to change fully,

2220
01:59:15,320 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 2: to completely evolve, to bring in somebody who can help

2221
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:22,840
Speaker 2: them circumvent and navigate the cap in different ways, like

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01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:25,920
Speaker 2: from a cap space perspective. Just flat out no, they

2223
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:29,720
Speaker 2: don't have the space for Max Crosby, but they do

2224
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:31,640
Speaker 2: have the ability to get him if they want to

2225
01:59:31,680 --> 01:59:35,280
Speaker 2: move things around and restructure contracts and do all those

2226
01:59:35,320 --> 01:59:38,960
Speaker 2: other things that winning teams do to acquire their players

2227
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:43,760
Speaker 2: to keep their talent together, to build their roster. Mike

2228
01:59:43,920 --> 01:59:49,520
Speaker 2: is flirting with ninety, yes, but he's still very sharp,

2229
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:52,200
Speaker 2: and he's still in good shape, and he's still very

2230
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:55,240
Speaker 2: much involved. And I don't see that changing anytime soon.

2231
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:58,640
Speaker 2: And when the day comes that he isn't involved, I

2232
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:01,680
Speaker 2: don't know that much is going to change either, which

2233
02:00:01,720 --> 02:00:05,480
Speaker 2: is obviously a frustrating and concerning part. I've talked to

2234
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:09,000
Speaker 2: some people who would describe that period of time and

2235
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:12,440
Speaker 2: the upcoming Bengals history is going to get worse. And

2236
02:00:12,520 --> 02:00:14,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm willing to say that, because

2237
02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:16,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's a lot I don't know, and

2238
02:00:16,400 --> 02:00:19,400
Speaker 2: there's a lot that will be restructured and changed around.

2239
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:26,360
Speaker 2: But Mike's still very much involved. He's a little bit

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Speaker 2: more open minded than he has been in the past,

2241
02:00:29,400 --> 02:00:33,720
Speaker 2: and you have seen the remnants of that increasing in

2242
02:00:33,800 --> 02:00:36,440
Speaker 2: the resources in the scouting department and the bubble and

2243
02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:39,160
Speaker 2: the naming rights and all this stuff like. There has

2244
02:00:39,240 --> 02:00:42,600
Speaker 2: been some progress made, but I still think there's a

2245
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:45,680
Speaker 2: long way to go. So they answer your question, Mike

2246
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:48,680
Speaker 2: still involved and will continue to be involved. They could

2247
02:00:48,680 --> 02:00:51,040
Speaker 2: get Max Crosby, but they don't take swings like that,

2248
02:00:51,160 --> 02:00:53,440
Speaker 2: which is part of the problem with them trying to

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02:00:53,480 --> 02:00:56,040
Speaker 2: do things their way, which they want to do things

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Speaker 2: their way and they want to win. By doing it

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02:00:58,280 --> 02:01:01,400
Speaker 2: their way, makes it hall harder to win. Take a break,

2252
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Speaker 2: We'll come back. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 17: Get the fastest local alerts.

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Speaker 1: Back in the action. Tony Pike Sincy three sixty is

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Speaker 1: back now on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Tony Pike Sincy three sixty, ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore.

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Speaker 2: Twenty minutes remaining in the show The Chickster from three

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Speaker 2: to six this afternoon. Chick Ludwig in four mo Egger.

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Speaker 2: It's time for today's O'Connor, a, Chany and Levy Injury Report,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by O'Connor, Achani and Levy attorneys. You know,

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Speaker 2: attorneys you trust. Visit oal dash law dot com. We

2262
02:01:40,440 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 2: did get an update on Nick Lodolo yesterday, coming back

2263
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:48,040
Speaker 2: from that blister on his left index finger. He is

2264
02:01:48,280 --> 02:01:53,640
Speaker 2: scheduled to throw a side session today. If that goes well,

2265
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Speaker 2: Lodolo would make a rehab assignment at Single A, Daytona

2266
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Speaker 2: on Thursday. That would be April the second. He could

2267
02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:06,160
Speaker 2: then rejoin the club for a start during its series

2268
02:02:06,240 --> 02:02:10,040
Speaker 2: in Miami. The Reds are in Miami between from April

2269
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Speaker 2: sixth through the ninth. They have a four game set

2270
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Speaker 2: against the Fish down there, so that would be the

2271
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:19,200
Speaker 2: expected return date for Nickolodolos sometime in that series. If

2272
02:02:19,280 --> 02:02:23,919
Speaker 2: things go well with his side session, today and rehab

2273
02:02:23,960 --> 02:02:27,480
Speaker 2: start in Daytona. He was originally, I believe, supposed to

2274
02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:31,760
Speaker 2: to pitch tomorrow in Louisville, but because of the weather

2275
02:02:31,840 --> 02:02:33,840
Speaker 2: down there, they didn't want to take any chances, so

2276
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Speaker 2: they're going down to Florida. He'll pitch in Daytona and

2277
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:41,560
Speaker 2: then rejoin the team in Miami. So long as everything

2278
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:43,080
Speaker 2: goes well, and as I said, he's supposed to be

2279
02:02:43,080 --> 02:02:46,960
Speaker 2: throwing a side session today for Lodoldo. That's pretty much it.

2280
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Speaker 2: As far as updates are concerned, that's our o'connie, O'Connor,

2281
02:02:52,160 --> 02:02:56,360
Speaker 2: a Shani and Levy injury report visit OAO dash law

2282
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Speaker 2: dot com. As far as that's concerned and coming up

2283
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:02,840
Speaker 2: in quick hits, I'll give you the latest. As far

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02:03:02,920 --> 02:03:08,000
Speaker 2: as the pitching matchup is concerned for tonight and what

2285
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:10,160
Speaker 2: to expect from the Pirates. I do think the Reds

2286
02:03:10,160 --> 02:03:15,160
Speaker 2: should be a little more aggressive tonight because Paul Skins

2287
02:03:15,200 --> 02:03:17,720
Speaker 2: is looming tomorrow. Got a chance to win a series.

2288
02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:20,120
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you, four and one or four and

2289
02:03:20,160 --> 02:03:22,240
Speaker 2: two feels a whole lot different than three and three.

2290
02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:23,960
Speaker 2: And I know there's a lot of games left, but

2291
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,960
Speaker 2: damn it, they all count the same, so let's treat

2292
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:29,520
Speaker 2: him as such. Got a second for a phone call.

2293
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Speaker 2: Let's talk to Dick in Dayton. Hello, Richard, Hello, how

2294
02:03:34,520 --> 02:03:37,200
Speaker 2: are you there, mister Austin? I'm good. What's on your

2295
02:03:37,200 --> 02:03:37,920
Speaker 2: mind today, Dick?

2296
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:42,720
Speaker 22: I like what you said, you know about last year

2297
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:48,320
Speaker 22: in the beginning of Super Bowl, and yet the loss

2298
02:03:48,360 --> 02:03:50,080
Speaker 22: of Joe Burrow, you know, made this.

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Speaker 11: But I'm like you, I'm like you, well, Austin, I

2300
02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:59,200
Speaker 11: just think they got to build on, you know, the offense,

2301
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:03,160
Speaker 11: the defense. The defense has to play well this year

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Speaker 11: twenty twenty six. You know what I'm saying that not

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02:04:06,760 --> 02:04:10,000
Speaker 11: in Burrows out. We just uh we lost it, didn't we.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, no, that that makes a lot of sense. Dick,

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02:04:12,440 --> 02:04:13,440
Speaker 2: thank you for the phone call.

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Speaker 11: Okay, you're welcome.

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02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:19,760
Speaker 2: All right, that is Dick and Dayton. We'll take a

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Speaker 2: break on ESPN fifteen thirty and.

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Speaker 1: For a quick hits on Tony Pikes since.

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Speaker 2: Was looking for Mo No Mo. Today it'll be the

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Speaker 2: Chickster Chick. Ludwick's going to be in for Moe this

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Speaker 2: afternoon from three to six. He's got a full line

2313
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:39,760
Speaker 2: up for you, including a conversation with Mike Petralia, from

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Speaker 2: c LNS Media is also going to talk to Tom Nichols,

2315
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Speaker 2: Tom Brenneman, Dan Horde, Steve Grody, a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: people coming up this afternoon. Dan, that Chick Ludwick is

2317
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Speaker 2: going to have for you in for Moegger today. Reminder,

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Speaker 2: I am in from mo. Tomorrow we'll be talking to

2319
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Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior out in Phoenix from the latest from

2320
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Speaker 2: the NFL Annual Meetings. So Chick coming up at three

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Speaker 2: zero five today. Let's talk about tonight's pitching matchup for

2322
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Speaker 2: the Old Red Legs. It'll be Brandon Williamson, the left

2323
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:17,480
Speaker 2: hander on the mound for Cincinnati. Last time he pitched

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02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:23,000
Speaker 2: September seventeenth, twenty twenty four. He pitched just fourteen innings

2325
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Speaker 2: in the twenty four season, missed all of last year

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Speaker 2: with Tommy John surgery. Back in twenty twenty three, pitch

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02:05:28,680 --> 02:05:30,640
Speaker 2: pretty good for the Reds. Had one hundred and seventeen

2328
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Speaker 2: innings and at four point four to six earned run average.

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02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:38,120
Speaker 2: He has faced just four of the current Pirates hitters.

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Speaker 2: He's allowed three hits in eleven at bats. He'll be

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Speaker 2: opposed by a young right hander for Pittsburgh by the

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Speaker 2: name of Bubba. Bubba Chandler had a four point two

2333
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Speaker 2: ERA in thirty one innings. Last season, he struck out

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Speaker 2: thirty one batters in thirty one innings. He has never

2335
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Speaker 2: faced the Reds. That is a six point forty start

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02:06:01,120 --> 02:06:04,960
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WL WI am checking right now to

2337
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Speaker 2: see if the lineup has yet to come out, and

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Speaker 2: I do not see a lineup yet to come out

2339
02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:14,800
Speaker 2: for the Red Legs. We typically get it right around

2340
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:18,240
Speaker 2: this time. By the way, Reds did announce earlier today

2341
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:23,040
Speaker 2: that catcher Alfredo Duno has been promoted from Single A

2342
02:06:23,240 --> 02:06:28,160
Speaker 2: Daytona to High A dayton So the Reds top catching

2343
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:31,880
Speaker 2: prospect Alfredo Duno, still just a young man, is moving

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Speaker 2: up to dayton He will play for the Dragons this season.

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Speaker 2: Some news coming out of the NFL annual meetings. Five

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Speaker 2: rule changes have been voted through here. They are the

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02:06:45,800 --> 02:06:49,960
Speaker 2: kicking team can declare an onside kick at any time

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02:06:50,080 --> 02:06:52,120
Speaker 2: during the game. So it used to be you can

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02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:53,800
Speaker 2: only do it if you're trailing in the fourth quarter

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02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:56,280
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah blah blah. Now you can kick

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02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:58,600
Speaker 2: an on side kick anytime you want. You still have

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02:06:58,680 --> 02:07:04,640
Speaker 2: to declare the Competition Committee also approved to eliminate the

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02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:09,040
Speaker 2: team's incentive to kick the ball out of bounds intentionally

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02:07:09,560 --> 02:07:12,120
Speaker 2: from kicking off from the fifty yard line. So if

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02:07:12,160 --> 02:07:16,120
Speaker 2: there was a penalty on the extra point, you could

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02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:19,760
Speaker 2: take that penalty on the kickoff and kick off from

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02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:22,280
Speaker 2: the fifty and then kick off out of bounds and

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02:07:22,320 --> 02:07:24,320
Speaker 2: you'd pin the team inside the twenty. It was a

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02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:27,720
Speaker 2: loophole in the rule by the Competition Committee. They've also

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Speaker 2: voted to modify the kickoff alignment requirements for the receiving

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02:07:31,720 --> 02:07:35,240
Speaker 2: team players in the setup zone. We'll see exactly what

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02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:39,520
Speaker 2: that means. By the Competition Committee to allow league personnel

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02:07:39,600 --> 02:07:44,480
Speaker 2: to consult with on field officials when considering disqualifications for

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02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:49,000
Speaker 2: both flagrant football acts and non football acts without being

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02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:52,680
Speaker 2: called on the field. Basically, this means that New York

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02:07:52,880 --> 02:07:56,280
Speaker 2: can chime in and throw a player out for something

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02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:59,200
Speaker 2: that they did. I think a good example for this

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02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:02,200
Speaker 2: might have been Jamar Chase last year. They could have

2369
02:08:02,200 --> 02:08:05,160
Speaker 2: buzzed in and said, Jamar Chase spit on Jalen Ramsey,

2370
02:08:05,320 --> 02:08:07,280
Speaker 2: throw them out of the game, that sort of thing.

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02:08:08,600 --> 02:08:11,920
Speaker 2: And finally, for one year, only for one year only

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02:08:12,440 --> 02:08:16,000
Speaker 2: to allow the national Football League Officiating Department to correct

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02:08:16,160 --> 02:08:20,120
Speaker 2: clear and obvious misses made by on field officials that

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02:08:20,240 --> 02:08:23,640
Speaker 2: impact the game in the event that there is a

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02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:27,839
Speaker 2: work stoppage involving the game officials represented by the NFL

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02:08:27,880 --> 02:08:31,560
Speaker 2: Referees Association. This is a huge story that isn't getting

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02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:33,680
Speaker 2: a ton of pub and I want to dive a

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02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:35,680
Speaker 2: little bit more into it. I might have the chance

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Speaker 2: to do that tomorrow, but from my understanding, the negotiations

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02:08:39,800 --> 02:08:43,800
Speaker 2: between the NFL Referees Association and the league are very

2381
02:08:43,880 --> 02:08:48,040
Speaker 2: far apart, based mainly on money. In the NFL is

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02:08:48,080 --> 02:08:52,360
Speaker 2: offering a big raise every year performance based assignments, not

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02:08:52,440 --> 02:08:55,480
Speaker 2: based on seniority. They're giving them more tools to be

2384
02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:58,920
Speaker 2: good at their job in the NFL Referees Association wants

2385
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:01,640
Speaker 2: nothing to do with it. So for years we've pounded

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02:09:01,680 --> 02:09:03,840
Speaker 2: the drum and begged for the league to get better

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02:09:04,080 --> 02:09:05,920
Speaker 2: in full time officials and this and this and this,

2388
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:10,080
Speaker 2: but the NFLRA doesn't seem to want that. That's not

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02:09:10,160 --> 02:09:13,240
Speaker 2: good for the game. I have a hard time siding

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02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:16,480
Speaker 2: with the officials on this. From everything I've read, it

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02:09:16,600 --> 02:09:21,120
Speaker 2: makes the most sense what the NFL is offering to

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02:09:21,160 --> 02:09:24,720
Speaker 2: the NFLRA and I don't quite understand why they are

2393
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:27,280
Speaker 2: not as receptive to that. To be completely honest with you,

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02:09:27,320 --> 02:09:30,040
Speaker 2: I'm struggling to get that. So what this does, so

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02:09:30,080 --> 02:09:33,360
Speaker 2: the NFL is trying to hire replacement officials and they

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02:09:33,400 --> 02:09:37,200
Speaker 2: want to have them hired by May first. When this

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02:09:37,280 --> 02:09:40,560
Speaker 2: happened previously, the NFL is not prepared for it. They

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02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:43,840
Speaker 2: had those guys hired like July first or early July,

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02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:46,400
Speaker 2: and had to kind of try to train them throughout

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02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:48,560
Speaker 2: training camp and be ready for the season in August

2401
02:09:48,600 --> 02:09:51,440
Speaker 2: and September. This year, they won an extra two month

2402
02:09:51,480 --> 02:09:54,400
Speaker 2: head start to get those guys, and they're going to

2403
02:09:54,440 --> 02:09:57,440
Speaker 2: be D one, D two, D three college football officials.

2404
02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:00,520
Speaker 2: Bring them in, train them, get them a tjusted to

2405
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:02,440
Speaker 2: the speed of the NFL game, send them out to

2406
02:10:02,480 --> 02:10:05,120
Speaker 2: training camps, and have them ready to go by the

2407
02:10:05,160 --> 02:10:08,120
Speaker 2: time the season starts. In the event that these two sides,

2408
02:10:08,160 --> 02:10:11,400
Speaker 2: the NFL and the NFLRA do not come to an

2409
02:10:11,440 --> 02:10:16,880
Speaker 2: agreement on a new deal. So because of that, this

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02:10:17,080 --> 02:10:20,680
Speaker 2: voting today allows the NFL in New York, the officiating

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02:10:20,680 --> 02:10:25,280
Speaker 2: department to correct clear and obvious misses made by the

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02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:29,040
Speaker 2: on field officials that impact the game. I also think

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02:10:29,480 --> 02:10:34,240
Speaker 2: that this will be a one year trial and ultimately

2414
02:10:34,720 --> 02:10:38,880
Speaker 2: voted in at all times because I think there have

2415
02:10:38,920 --> 02:10:42,560
Speaker 2: been so many issues in the past. You have the technology,

2416
02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:44,640
Speaker 2: you have the resources to be able to do this.

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02:10:45,400 --> 02:10:49,400
Speaker 2: Why not have a sky judge that can quickly determine

2418
02:10:49,720 --> 02:10:52,480
Speaker 2: what was right and what was wrong. How many times

2419
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:55,160
Speaker 2: have you been watching an NFL game you see one

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02:10:55,240 --> 02:10:57,360
Speaker 2: replay and you know, Okay, yeah, they got that wrong.

2421
02:10:57,440 --> 02:10:59,920
Speaker 2: This should be the case, Bob, whatever this situation might be.

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02:11:01,120 --> 02:11:03,440
Speaker 2: This allows New York to basically step in and correct

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02:11:03,480 --> 02:11:06,000
Speaker 2: those and keep the game moving. I think they're going

2424
02:11:06,080 --> 02:11:07,920
Speaker 2: to test it out this year, especially if they don't

2425
02:11:07,960 --> 02:11:11,040
Speaker 2: have the NFL referees, and I think they're going to

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02:11:11,120 --> 02:11:12,560
Speaker 2: try to put that in all the time. I think

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02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:15,120
Speaker 2: they would be smart to put that in all the time.

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02:11:15,200 --> 02:11:18,400
Speaker 2: At least that's what I think. Anything else I missed,

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02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:20,200
Speaker 2: I didn't get a chance to talk about the Red

2430
02:11:20,240 --> 02:11:23,920
Speaker 2: City connect Jerseys. Maybe I'll talk about that tomorrow on

2431
02:11:24,880 --> 02:11:28,320
Speaker 2: Moe's show, But I think that pretty much is it.

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Speaker 2: Red's go for a series win tonight. Still haven't seen

2433
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Speaker 2: a lineup and we're pretty much out of time, so

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Speaker 2: I will seed and turn things over to Chick Ludwick.

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Speaker 2: coming out tomorrow. Thanks so much for listening. Chick Ludwig

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