1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Let's kick it. I'll say a ticket and you'll just 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: kick it with a dasy groove. Okay, one, two, three, 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: kick it, kike it, Come on, took you one time ticket? 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: What the. 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 3: Listen on your free iHeartRadio app for Earl your music 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 3: radio and podcasts. Okay, So last night I'm driving around 7 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 3: and dude on the radio says, all the Pirates need 8 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 3: to do is trade Mitch Calver to Boston for Jaron 9 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 3: Durand the outfielder, and signed Eugenio Suarez and Kyle Schwarber 10 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 3: in free agency. 11 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: Gee? Is that all. 12 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 4: The trade is unlikely? 13 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 3: The two free agents between and would cost a minimum 14 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 3: seventy million per year. Pirates ain't spending that. Ain't gonna 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: pay skiings, ain't gonna pay. 16 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 4: Big money free agents. 17 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 3: What don't you people get, especially the media stooges, The 18 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,279 Speaker 3: Pirates should be covered like a crime syndicate, and instead 19 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 3: it's like yay baseball. I get having to bring in 20 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 3: multiple guys though you're not gonna get one guy, the 21 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 3: odds are getting more than one is better because nobody 22 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 3: wants to be the Lamborghini in the trailer park, which 23 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: is what Paul Skins is right now. But caught all 24 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 3: that stuff that Jeff Passing triggered. It's absolute fantasy. Somebody 25 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: tweeted that the Pirates would be contenders if they got 26 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: two or three bats. I agreed, and I replied, Yeah, 27 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: ruth Ty Cobb and Barry Box. 28 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 4: And for the record, I'd rather have Duran Duran than 29 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 4: Jaron Duran. 30 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 3: James Franklin going to Virginia Tech as the new coach 31 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: is still incredible to me. When Penn State was ranked 32 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: number two a couple months ago and Franklin was the coach, 33 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: Penn State made a horrific mistake. And I'm gonna keep 34 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: saying that until it's proven that Penn State made a 35 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: horrific mistake, and that's happening as we speak, and shouldn't 36 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: take much longer for everybody to agree. Franklin's winning percentage 37 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: at Penn State was six ninety eights. I guarantee the 38 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: next coach will not match that. Franklin's big sin was 39 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 3: he couldn't beat programs that were better than Penn State's. 40 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: Penn State just ain'ts in a class with Ohio State. 41 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 3: You got to know your ceiling. Pitt never has, and 42 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: now Penn State doesn't either. This is the Mark Madden Show. 43 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 3: Follow me on Twitter at Mark Madden X. I guess 44 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: we could babble about the Steelers in this game at Chicago, 45 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 3: which is interesting. I believe the Steelers will probably win, 46 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: but the Steelers got to have a good first quarter, 47 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: got to get a lead, because I've always said that 48 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: the minute the Steelers trail by two scores at halftime 49 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: or later, the game's over. They don't have the offensive 50 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: wherewithal to catch up. And in this game, if Chicago 51 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 3: gets the lead, the Bears could ride that running game, 52 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: play bully ball, and physically embarrass the Steelers because nobody 53 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 3: wants to admit this, but the Steelers aren't at all 54 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: fit physical. 55 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 4: They are borderline soft. 56 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: You heard me, the Steelers are soft, especially on defense. 57 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: Darnell Washington did more physical damage with that viral catch 58 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 3: and run against Cincinnati mount Washington did more physical damage 59 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 3: there than the Steelers defense is done all year, although 60 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 3: perhaps Dougar and Ramsey are changing that a bit. At safety. 61 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: That's a physical combination back there. Why is it physical? 62 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 3: He just goes wide. He's not damaging to play against 63 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 3: Cam is kind of I guess. So that's what we 64 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: got Tommy Radio is off to date. 65 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 4: I'd like to talk to Penguins. 66 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: We got TK on next, Tyler Kennedy, Matt Barkowski two 67 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 3: forty five, and then Penguins defenseman Ryan Graves joins the 68 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: show at four thirty. Graves is a fascinating study and 69 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: really exemplary of what got changed in the coaching turnover 70 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: from Mike Sullivan to Dan Muse. A week or so ago, 71 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 3: Eric Carlson said how Mike Sullivan asked players to do 72 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: things they couldn't and Carlson wasn't. 73 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 4: Talking about himself. 74 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 3: That description applies directly to Ryan Graves. Under Sullivan, Graves 75 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: had to pinch and activate and be too much of 76 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 3: an offensive defenseman for his game, like all the other 77 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 3: defensemen were required with. 78 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 4: Sully, one size fit all. But what Sully was asking. 79 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: Were things that Ryan Graves can't do, or at least 80 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 3: isn't good at doing, just not his game. And now 81 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: Ryan Graves stays at home, is finally being more physical 82 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: at five and in the five games since Graves got 83 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: called back from Wilkes riding the bus on that Meg 84 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 3: immediately signed with the Penguins a couple of years back 85 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 3: since that recall, Ryan Graves has done okay. I'm looking 86 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 3: forward to kind of probing why that is when he 87 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: joins the show at four thirty. Except for a bad 88 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: first game, I think that was just kind of the 89 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: impact of the call up. But Dan muse coaching, I'm impressed. 90 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 3: He's mostly got it figured out. So we got a 91 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: lot of hockey to talk about today, some football like always, 92 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: And at four pm we got a music legend drummer 93 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: Carmen Apaci. 94 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 4: I think that tos's pronounced. I'm gonna ask him. 95 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: I've heard a piece, I've heard Appachite, great drummer, an 96 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: all Timer, Vanilla Fudge, Rod Stewart, Ozzy Osbourne, Jeff Beck, 97 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 3: just amazing. That's Carmen Apaci. At four pm, he's got 98 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: an appearance coming up with a local band called six 99 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: Guns Sally at the Lamp Theater in Irwin. I'll tell 100 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: you about that a little bit later. We're gonna talk 101 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 3: about the college football playoff rankings in just a moment, 102 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: because they're just fed up. 103 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 4: They're just fed up. 104 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: Notre Dame beat Miami, and Notre Dame is right the 105 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: head of Miami. It's all about brand names and marketability. 106 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 3: I'll get more into depth about that in just a 107 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: little while. Normally you can't call him the first dire 108 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 3: but you can today dial eight three three four one 109 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 3: two wxdx. That's a three three four one two wxdx. 110 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: It's your chance to show that you could be more 111 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: interesting than my co host for the pregame show, Tommy Radio. 112 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 3: The pregame show brought to us by Shandorovit sandro ovicin 113 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 3: Fishman your personal injury experts. 114 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 4: They got your back, not your wallet. 115 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: Uh. 116 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: Here's a funny note, not at all unexpected. If you 117 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: want to hate the NBA like I mostly do, like 118 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 3: I totally do, let's be honest. Except for TJ McConnell. 119 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: So if you want to hate the NBA, peap this. 120 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: The players who have made the NBA All Star Game 121 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: in the last three seasons have already missed more than 122 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: two hundred games after only one month of the current 123 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 3: NBA season. Now, some guys are legit hurt, like Tadum, Haliburton, Lillard, 124 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 3: Kyrie's recovering from surgery. But guys like Zion, Trey Young 125 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: Ad and even Lebron they just want to play when 126 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 3: they feel like it. And they milk injuries. So as 127 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 3: you were keep hating the NBA, we got a lot 128 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 3: going on. Like I said, bart Ryan Graves, Jerry douleckill 129 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: join me to talk football as well. 130 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: It's the pregame show here on one O five ninety X. 131 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: One of those Pirate marks who's on the fringe of 132 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: the media, just tweeted that the Pirates should get all 133 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: these Japanese imports are hitting the market. Sun song Onne, 134 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 3: which sounds like a Neil Diamond song. Not sure iph 135 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 3: he's Japanese or Chinese. I'm going to tak up Morikami. 136 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: My alternate solution is to sign sadahuu Oh and Kazuchka Okada, 137 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 3: maybe the Great Mood if he can still blow that 138 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 3: green mist at his age. 139 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 5: Uh. 140 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 4: I'd rather talk about hockey. 141 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 3: We got bart On in a couple of minutes, former 142 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: NHL defenseman Matt Barkowski my Ebanon's own. We got Ryan Graves, 143 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: Penguins defenseman at four thirty, So I'm pumped for hockey talk. 144 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: I'm pumped for Minnesota PPG paint Areena tomorrow night, first 145 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 3: Penguins game since Sunday at Stockholm. I assume it's Shiloff's 146 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 3: in goal Jarry is practicing. We might just have got 147 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 3: a brief look at morrishav before he goes back to Wilkes. 148 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 3: Gonna ask Bart what the Penguins to do with that 149 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: goaltending situation once all three are available, because that's interesting. 150 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have a promise any more. Shot back down. 151 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 3: He is the Penguin's best goal he most talented. But 152 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 3: I get the big picture thing. Penguins are fourth and 153 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 3: Eastern Conference third in the Metro. That could change the 154 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: decision making I'm talking about. At some point before the season, 155 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 3: I thought there was no way the Penguins could make 156 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 3: the playoffs. Now I look at how bad the Eastern 157 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 3: Conference is and how even worse the Metro Division is, 158 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: and with Jack Hughes out two months at least put 159 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 3: New Jersey, I could see the Penguins finishing second in 160 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: the Metro. The only team I couldn't see them jumping 161 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: is Carolina. And that's not a tribute to how much 162 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 3: better the Penguins are than I thought, although they are. Again, 163 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 3: it's a tributed just how bad the Eastern Conference in 164 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: Metro Division is. Josh Joey just put up an amazing tweet. 165 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 3: We're about twenty five percent into the NHL season. Only 166 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 3: two teams, Colorado and Chicago, have allowed fewer goals than 167 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 3: the Penguins. Only three teams, Colorado, Chicago, and Carolina have 168 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 3: a better goal differential than the Penguins plus twelve. If 169 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: you listen to Pierre Maguire and his weekly segment on 170 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 3: this show, you know how much stock he puts in 171 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: gold differential as a barometer. So while the Penguins have 172 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: treaded sludge a little bit lately, I think they are 173 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 3: what their record says they are at this point. And 174 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: of course we could just babble non stop about the 175 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 3: freaking Steelers. I hate to sound like I'm tired of 176 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: the Steelers, but I am. This is same as it 177 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: ever was, same season as always, same as. 178 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 4: The last decade. But you know, du Bears. 179 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: But we keep talking about quarterback like everybody in every 180 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 3: NFL city does, because it's all people really understand. And 181 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 3: the Rogers injury situation and should Rootolph play if Rogers 182 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: is only like sixty percent. Looks like Rogers is gonna 183 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: play if he's clear, and Rogers wants to play. But 184 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: the more I think about Rogers. I said a week 185 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 3: or so ago after the LA game that we've overrated 186 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: how wrong Rogers has played. That I have overrated how 187 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: Rogers has played. And you know, his stats ain't very good. 188 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: Intended air yards and stuff like that not very good. 189 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 3: It all reflects what we're seeing, which is dink and 190 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: dunk except for Rogers's guile and pre snap. I we 191 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 3: I mean overrated. Rogers has been a C plus quarterback, 192 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: no better. I have no idea how this team has 193 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: won six games. Where's the evidence except in the standings 194 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: where yeah, that's where it counts. Regarding Sunny at Chicago, 195 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: Rogers said, safety is a concern. 196 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: God don't take another safety. 197 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: He said the decision is up to mister coach Tomlin, 198 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 3: which is kind of interesting phraseology. He said, with the 199 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 3: bum wrist, a snap under center would be more difficult 200 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: than a shotgun snap. Kurt Warner, we got some sound 201 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: later said that handing off will be difficult with the 202 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 3: broken bone in the risk. Will hear that in just 203 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: a little while. And Rogers talked about getting the oka 204 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 3: unquote and protecting myself unquote. I don't know the stuff 205 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: Rogers said. It planted a slight doubt about him playing, 206 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: but we're gonna see how practice goes. Aaron Rodgers is 207 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: my favorite Steeler, but I believe in Mason Rudolph. Say 208 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 3: his name and he appears. The Steelers ain't gonna win 209 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl no matter who's a quarterback. But even 210 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: if Rudolph came in and did just that, won a ring, 211 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: Tomlin would just cut him after the season. This college 212 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: football playoff ranking stuff, I've teased that for a couple segments, 213 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: but we got bart coming up. I'll give you the 214 00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 3: front page. Notre Dame's number nine, Miami's number thirteen, and 215 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 3: the college football chairman says, you can't compare the losses 216 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 3: of Miami Notre Dame. Well why not? And that's convenient 217 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: because Miami beat Notre Dame. But Notre Dame is four 218 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: spots ahead of Miami in Miami right now would be 219 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: just out of the playoff. 220 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: Yo. 221 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: Let's be honest. It don't matter who the best twelve 222 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: teams are. The College Football Playoff just wants brand names 223 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: that can draw money by way of advertising and sponsors 224 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: and TV ratings. 225 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 4: That's just how it is. 226 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 3: I'll expand in those thoughts a little later, let's take 227 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 3: a quick call from Jeff. 228 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 4: Jeff, what do you want? Jeff, what do you want? Goodbye? 229 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 3: Tell me that's a kid and I'll be ready for 230 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: the kid. But you know that was a guy called 231 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 3: up said it was a guy put a kid on 232 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: with a cat. I hope your cat cause you not 233 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: the kid. The guy dog bit me on the leg today. 234 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 4: My cat claude my eyes. That's right. The rest of 235 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 4: the show, it's no more, mister nice guy. 236 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: We got Matt Barkowski on next one oh five to nine. 237 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 4: From the one oh five nine the ex Weather Center. 238 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 3: This report is furnished buying genuine lots of fog this morning. 239 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 3: Than Cloudy's got great tweet about the Pirates that they 240 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: got a day of congratulatory media merely for offering a 241 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 3: player a contract but not getting him. Joining me now 242 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: to talk Penguin'. You see him on Sportsnet Pittsburgh. He 243 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 3: is former NHL defenseman Matt Barkowski, Mount Lebanon's own Bart. 244 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 3: Let's talk about the Penguins defensive corp. Ryan Graves is 245 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: back and I know you're not a fan, me neither, 246 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: but he's playing better. Does that come down to Dan 247 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: muse the way he's using Graves. 248 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it does. As you said, he's playing 249 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 5: better from what he was. I thought the first game 250 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 5: he came back, I mean's you know, anybody coming back 251 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 5: from the AHL to this. 252 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: Level, they're going to struggle a little bit. 253 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 5: And then first game in Nashville or I guess in 254 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 5: Sweden against Nashville, I didn't think he was particularly good. 255 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 5: But I do think the other games that he was 256 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:23,239 Speaker 5: vastly better than last year. And that's I mean, it 257 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 5: has to do with coaching. Sully just likes coaching one way. 258 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 5: He likes coaching fast, straight ahead D pension de skating hockey, 259 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 5: and not every D can do that. So I'm sure 260 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 5: that and I think it is pretty evident that the 261 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 5: new coaching staff has kind of let the players play 262 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 5: to their strengths, you know, like a we don't see 263 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 5: Weatherspoon getting up in the rush every play, you know, 264 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 5: we see Carlson doing it, which is the way it 265 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 5: should be. So to your point, I think that, Yeah, 266 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 5: I think it has a lot to do with the coaching. 267 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 268 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 3: I felt like when Eric Carlson talked about Sully not 269 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 3: using his name but but said that they asked players 270 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 3: to do things they couldn't. 271 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 4: He wasn't talking about himself. 272 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 3: He was talking about defenseman White Graves like Watherspoon, who 273 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 3: wasn't here last year. But every defenseman last year was 274 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 3: expected to pinch and activate. 275 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 4: Weren't they? 276 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were. 277 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 5: And if you go back to when the Pens were 278 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 5: winning Cups or released the last back of back Cups, 279 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 5: they kind of had a decorps for the most part, 280 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 5: they could do that. Even you know, Dumo's kind of 281 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 5: slowed down now in his career, but back then, just 282 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 5: coming up, he could skate. 283 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 4: Oh and Trevor Daily justinbody, Oh yeah. 284 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 5: Daily, Yeah, Scholtz, he's off. 285 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean, you go down the list. 286 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 5: That's the way that Sully wanted to coach, and that's 287 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 5: why they won. But as the years go on and 288 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 5: you get different d in there, and it just it 289 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 5: doesn't work with everybody. You know, we're kind of seeing that. 290 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 5: I'm sure that's exactly what Carlson alluded to to begin with. 291 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 5: I mean we're kind of seeing it. 292 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 2: In New York. 293 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 5: They're having struggles because Sally likes coach to fasten your 294 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 5: face team and if you don't have that it's not 295 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 5: going to work. So being able to let Walters, Spoon, Graves, 296 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 5: those kind of guys just you know, play defense and 297 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 5: get the guys that are supposed to score the puck. 298 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 2: You know, there's nothing wrong with that. 299 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 3: It works when you played, did any coach ever asked 300 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 3: you to play away from your strength? 301 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 4: And how did you handle it? 302 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 5: You know, not not necessarily away from my strengths. There 303 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 5: were some coaches that I had where we played some 304 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 5: systems that I strongly disagree looked like one of the 305 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 5: coaches in our D zone we played man ah man 306 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 5: below the top of the circles and then a zone 307 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 5: above the top of the circles. And I can't tell 308 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 5: you how many arguments I had, not arguments, but disagreements 309 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 5: and conversations with more of the assistance. Just because he 310 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 5: was so stubborn he didn't want to change. I was like, 311 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 5: this is just this is not working, Like we got 312 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 5: to do something different here. And but personally, I mean 313 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 5: I didn't really because I generally had good legs, I 314 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 5: could skate, so I could kind of play any system. 315 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 5: But anytime we went to man on man systems, I 316 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 5: just I couldn't stand them. I mean, you get the 317 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 5: wrong matchup out there and you know, not necessarily personally, 318 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 5: but another player. Uh, it's just it becomes a nightmare 319 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 5: because the good players are going to look to isolate 320 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 5: the weekest one out there in a man on man situation, 321 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 5: and then you're just scrambling around covering for everybody. So 322 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 5: those are the only ones that I ever didn't really like. 323 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 3: Now, are you surprised by the performances of Watherspoon and 324 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 3: Shade because they were fringe guys their whole career is 325 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 3: now they're in the top four and doing pretty good. 326 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Shae, not so much. 327 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 5: He's more, you know, I still consider him younger. This 328 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 5: is really between you know, last year and this year. 329 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 5: These are his first two full seasons. I think he's 330 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 5: especially from last year this year he's made. 331 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: A gigantic jump. Again. 332 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 5: That probably has to do with just a new voice 333 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 5: in the room with the coaches. I think throughout the 334 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 5: season he's gotten better and he's been very, very consistent. 335 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 5: He's had a few big games here and there. I'm 336 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 5: not really looking for that out of him. I'm just 337 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 5: looking for a consistent effort, and I think that he 338 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 5: brings that and He's fit very well with uh Letang 339 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 5: for most of the season, and you know, times Tanger's 340 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 5: not the easiest guy to play with, so you know, hats. 341 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 2: Off to him. 342 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 5: Waltherspoon a little more surprised. I think he's complimented Carlson 343 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 5: very well. And he's sort of, you know, in the 344 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 5: middle of his career. He's what twenty eight, so he's 345 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 5: more you know, he's been fringed like a tweener or 346 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just 347 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 5: like up and down and we just called him tweeners, 348 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 5: you know. So it's you know, it's other than being 349 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 5: with Austin there for a pretty good bit. He's really 350 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 5: never been a full time I'd say NHL are especially 351 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 5: not top four like this, and I think that he 352 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 5: compliments Carlson very well. 353 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: Like we were talking about earlier, just get the puck 354 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 2: to the guys that are supposed to score, and he's 355 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 2: doing that. 356 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 5: He's hangs back, shuts him down offensively, can make a 357 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 5: good first pass, play a little tough and get carl 358 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 5: the puck. 359 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: You know. 360 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 5: So I am surprised with him. Pleasantly surprised. 361 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 3: Matt Barkowski joining us from Sports at Pittsburgh, brought to 362 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 3: us by Danny's PiZZ and Hog. 363 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: He's on Route eighty eight. 364 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 3: In Bethel Park. Speaking of Carlson, you know, he's been 365 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 3: really great. I mean not the Norris Trophy Carlson from 366 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 3: years ago, but a lot better than the last two years. 367 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 3: And I'm not sure why I'm looking for allterrier motives 368 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: like not yet being named the Sweden's Olympic team. 369 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 4: Perhaps, Yeah, I don't. 370 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. 371 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 5: I always thought all along he's gonna be on that team, 372 00:22:58,400 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 5: no matter what. 373 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: That's what I thought is. It's just it's just gonna happen. 374 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 4: Right Eric Carlson. 375 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 5: No, No, they're not going to cut a Hall of 376 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 5: Fame defenseman with three doors trophies, and you know, like 377 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 5: it's just not gonna happen. But if the media wants 378 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 5: to blow that up and say that that's why he's 379 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 5: playing on her, go. 380 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 3: Right ahead, being one of the first six, because I 381 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 3: could see that. But yeah, I don't think it's a 382 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 3: primary motivator necessarily. 383 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 5: No, he could be, because I mean, you know, he's 384 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 5: not the most doltless guy out there career wise, you know, 385 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 5: like he cares about he cares about that stuff, and 386 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 5: in personal. 387 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 2: Recognition, which you know guys do who cares. He's just 388 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: more open about it. 389 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 5: So yeah, maybe maybe a little bit, but I don't 390 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 5: I don't think so. I just think it goes back 391 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 5: to how the team's playing. I think that the again, 392 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 5: a lot has to do with the new voice in 393 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 5: the room and and just going to the rink every day. 394 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 5: You're not hearing the same thing, You're not getting beaten down. 395 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 5: It's not a broken record anymore. I'm sure they're having 396 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 5: more fun. They're winning some games, they're getting some goaltending, 397 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 5: and the power play is a lot better. 398 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: So I mean, that's kudos to him. 399 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 5: It's also probably just the other guys buying in too, 400 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 5: like you know, sitting Geno, not necessarily buying in, but 401 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 5: just being rejuvenated just coming to the rink every day. 402 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 5: So I'm sure it's just he's a lot happier. He's 403 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 5: definitely playing more responsible defensively. I think that has to 404 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 5: do with also just not being told to pinch every 405 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 5: chance you get, like pick your spots a little bit 406 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 5: and go play your game. So it's just when you 407 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 5: get a coaching change, it's just especially when you're hearing 408 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 5: the same thing over and over for seven years. 409 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: It's a breath of fresh air for better, better or 410 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 2: worse right now for better. 411 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: So you know, yeah, I think simple for some breeds, 412 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 3: simple for all. And I think that applies to Carlson. 413 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 3: You touched on this a moment ago, Bart, But while 414 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 3: they're spooning partners, Carlson Shaye Partner's latang, I think they've 415 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 3: both done well in that very specific duty. What's the 416 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 3: take to do that to partner a guy who's very 417 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 3: offensively inclined. 418 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: Uh, it's not. 419 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 5: It's not the easiest thing in the world. And it's 420 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 5: it's it's literally about consistency. And you know, if you 421 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 5: have that mindset going into the game, going into practice, whatever, 422 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 5: you're going into that, hey, I'm not gonna get a 423 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 5: lot of the you know, not gonna get a lot 424 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 5: of thumbs up, not gonna get whatever here. 425 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna hang back. I'm gonna get them the puck. 426 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do my job. 427 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 5: I'm gonna be getting two on ones against me every 428 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 5: now and then there are three on one. I'm not 429 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 5: gonna complain about it. But it is a mindset that 430 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 5: you just have to have that. Hey, I'm just gonna 431 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,440 Speaker 5: you know, I'm gonna be digging in the muck for 432 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 5: for you know, a few minutes a game and just 433 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 5: deal with it and then reap the benefits as it 434 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 5: is of it as well, because when you're on the 435 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 5: ice with those guys, all eyes are gonna be on them, 436 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 5: especially in the ozone, so you know, sneak open every 437 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 5: now and then. I mean, you see, you know, we 438 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 5: saw Shade with that big game he had a goal 439 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 5: and assist, and then Willer students had a couple of 440 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 5: goals this year. And normally it's when they're wide open 441 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 5: because everybody's got their eyes on Carl and Tanger and 442 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 5: sending Gino or whatever else might be on the ice 443 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 5: and they just kind of lay in the weaves. So 444 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 5: but the main thing of it is is it's just 445 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 5: a mindset that you have to have of you know, 446 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 5: I'm not I'm just here to do my job, put 447 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 5: my hard hat on and and and just get them 448 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 5: to puck. That's about it. 449 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 3: Who was the most offensive defenseman that you ever partnered? 450 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 3: I should know that, but refresh my. 451 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 5: Memory, oh boy, I mean my probably the most. It's 452 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 5: tricky because I never really had any big offensive. 453 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 4: Ones like Tanger or Carlson, right, No, nothing like that. 454 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 5: Like, I guess Tory Kruge was probably the most offensive 455 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 5: that I played, but you know, we weren't partners. I 456 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 5: played with Johnny Boychuck and he was. He's a different 457 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 5: animal to play with too, because. 458 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: He's he wasn't the most offensive. 459 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 5: But he would go miles out of his way to 460 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 5: like throw a big hit or coming to my corner 461 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 5: and just you know, take somebody's head off, and I 462 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 5: know it just sends the whole ice into oblivion. And 463 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 5: you're like, oh my god, I got to figure this 464 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 5: out in like one second. But I'd like to just 465 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 5: stand here and take five minutes and be like, what 466 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 5: the heck just happened. So, you know, different guys are 467 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 5: different animals to play with. It's just I didn't really 468 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 5: play with a strictly offensive defenseman in my career. 469 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 4: Now, where's Tanger at? 470 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 3: Because he gets criticism from the twitter verse, but I 471 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 3: think he's mostly played really well. It's just that this 472 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,479 Speaker 3: year when he makes a mistake, it tends to blow up. 473 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 5: Well, they're better this year, right at least standings wise? 474 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 5: Right now, that's why. So, yeah, they're gonna he's gonna 475 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 5: get more criticism just he's one of the more vocal 476 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 5: ones on the ice, especially when he takes a penalty. 477 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 5: So if he's if the team's playing pretty consistently for 478 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 5: most of the games this year, you know, at least 479 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 5: eighty five ninety percent of the game, if something like 480 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 5: that gets out of place, then it's just gonna get 481 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 5: blown up. I think he's done a fine job too, 482 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 5: I have I have noticed less complaining from him towards 483 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 5: the rest. But at the same time, I mean, I 484 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 5: looked it up the other day. There by far the least. 485 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: They they've taken or had the least power plays in 486 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 2: the league. I think it was by like six or seven. 487 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 4: Power They're not putting themselves in too much call. 488 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 5: No, no, it's kind of but yeah, so that's probably 489 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 5: years of the entire bench shilling at the rest. 490 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: But I digress the uh yeah, but no, he's he's 491 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 2: been solid, and he's kind of, you know again accepted. 492 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 5: I know last year the power play they kind of 493 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 5: had him and Carl out there at the same time. 494 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 2: But he's accepted. 495 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 5: You know, I'm second unit now and and you know, 496 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 5: he'll he'll kind of he's kind of a chameleon. 497 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: In that way. 498 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 5: Over the years, he's kind of done whatever he needed 499 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 5: to do. I mean, even getting back to the playoffs 500 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 5: when Schultz came in and Schultz was running the first 501 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 5: PP when he had done it, you know. So, I again, 502 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 5: I really do just think it's it's the media just 503 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 5: trying to pick on something whatever they can. I don't 504 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 5: see anything wrong with him right now. 505 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 4: You're not the media so much. 506 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 3: But yeah, Twitter, and we all know how poisonous that's. 507 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 508 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 3: Whatever, Maybe finally, Bart, what should they do with Harrison Bruneck. 509 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 3: He's getting scratched all the time, and I don't think 510 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 3: that's helping. 511 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 2: No, I don't either. I was we were trying to 512 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 2: figure that out the other day. 513 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 3: It's just a shame he can't go to the AHL 514 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 3: that that stupid rule prevents that. 515 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well he could for conditioning, right, he 516 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 4: could go right now? 517 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So I'm I'm guessing they're trying to time it. 518 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 5: So he goes down for the conditioning and then he 519 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 5: goes to World Juniors right and then and then they'll 520 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 5: make a decision. I don't know from what I've seen 521 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 5: from him. I don't think he's gotten better. He might 522 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 5: have even redressed a little bit, a little bit. He's 523 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 5: just I mean, he's he's what he is, right, he's 524 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 5: more offensive minded. It's just he's got to figure out 525 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 5: the timing of when to do it, because you know, 526 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 5: in junior he could probably just go wherever he wants 527 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 5: to do whatever he wants. He'll get back it doesn't 528 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 5: really matter. You know how it is in the NHL. 529 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 5: You make one mistake and then oh crap, and then 530 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 5: it's in the back of his mind and then it 531 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 5: kind of snowballs from there. Now you're missing passes. So 532 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 5: I definitely sitting around is not doing him any favors. 533 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 5: So I'm just I'm betting they send him down, get 534 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 5: him a couple of games, and then he goes to 535 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 5: World Junior and then they figured out. But he needs 536 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 5: to be playing. You can't be sitting around at eighteen 537 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 5: nineteen years old. I don't care what people say of 538 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 5: Oh it's good for him to be around and see 539 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 5: how the team operates and learn and watching stuff. 540 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 2: It's it's not any good that kid needs to play. 541 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: So hopefully they you know, either they just say, fend. 542 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 5: Him back to junior now where they send him down 543 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 5: and get him a two weeks and get them playing again. 544 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 4: Bart great stuff, great work on sports and at Pittsburgh 545 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:07,239 Speaker 4: as well. 546 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: And we'll talk again soon, all right, thanks Mark. 547 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 3: That's the great Matt Barkowski. Always a pleasure to talk 548 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 3: hockey with him. Heck, I like talking hockey with anybody. 549 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 3: We're gonna have Ryan Graves on from the Penguins at 550 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 3: four point thirty up next, a lot of Steeler talk. 551 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 3: We also have legendary drummer Carmen Apachie a piece. We'll 552 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 3: we'll ask him because I've heard both, I've said both 553 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 3: over the years. But he joins me at four o'clock 554 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 3: one oh five ninety x