1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. By the way, we're at Oakley Greens. It's Tuesday, 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: which means we talk with our guys. Sean Sayad. Sean 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: is one of the authors, along with Ted Smith, of 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: the Stats and Scheme newsletter. He's with sumer sports dot com. 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: He's here to make us smarter. He's at least here 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: to answer my same questions about the Bengals, who did 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: not lose this weekend. Sean, what's going on, Well. 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 2: It was a great week to not have a loss 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: on the schedule. 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 3: I didn't have to go through any Bengals film today, 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 3: you know, push you overview some things to looking ahead 12 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 3: to the next week, but next to be able to 13 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: watch another. 14 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: Pole this week, it was. It was very relaxing. It 15 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: was very stress free before we do schematic stuff. Waiy 16 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: in on the big topic of conversation here, which is 17 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is back practicing and he's ramping up. I 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: think they want to have him out there on Thanksgiving 19 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: Night against Baltimore, which makes a lot of sense, and 20 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: maybe the Bengals win the next two games and at 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: that point it's game on. There are many folks who 22 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: feel like that is not likely. If the Bengals are 23 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: playing for nothing, would you have Joe Burrow out there? 24 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: This is a tough one, right because playing for nothing 25 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 3: is also I think a little subjective of core. It's 26 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: like playing for nothing in terms of the playoffs. Like 27 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: that I think does become kind of clear at the 28 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: end of the season. I think when you have the 29 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 3: most competitive players across the world playing this sport, like 30 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 3: I think a guy like Jamar Chase and you hear 31 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 3: it from Justin Jefferson last year, playing through injuries like 32 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 3: these guys when they retire, these numbers do matter to them, 33 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 3: like they the cumulative effect of all these seasons, all 34 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: this consistency does matter. At the same time, it is 35 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 3: a coaches and a like a higher level of a 36 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 3: team's job to protect a player from themselves. I think 37 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 3: there can be some positive I feel like on this stuff. 38 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 3: I lean pretty conservative because Burrow is your franchise guy. 39 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: I do think there is value though still in you know, 40 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 3: just you're getting game reps, like you're you're moving things 41 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 3: in the right direction overall. 42 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: So would I like to be having him play late 43 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter of games that you know you're 44 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: up by two scores? 45 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: Probably not, but I'm wanted to be super mad at 46 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: him coming back even if the team is sort of 47 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: just out of everything, because i mean, we've talked earlier 48 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: this season about you know, Jamar Chase, he gets a 49 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: little bit anxious kind of in the offense. 50 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: So you want to just. 51 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 3: Feel, Okay, we are still moving in the right direction, 52 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: like we still need to be an attractive play for 53 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: people to come play next year's. 54 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: There's something to me. And look, I'm I'm all for 55 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: protecting the investment, but we've talked a lot. You and 56 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: I have talked a lot about meshing how Joe Burrow 57 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: wants to play with what they've done with Joe Flacco 58 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: running the football and him playing under center. At the 59 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: very least, is there is there a school of thought 60 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: that says, even if he doesn't play every snap of 61 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: every quote meaningless game, that it makes sense for him 62 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: to get used to running the offense differently in games 63 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: that are actual games and not preseason games, if that 64 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: ultimately is what they decide to do. 65 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: So I'm not sure how much you want to just 66 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: like get Joe, like take the Joe Burrow out of 67 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow right, Like there's good their situations for Flaccos 68 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: so far this year, where that ball is coming out 69 00:02:57,639 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: real quick. It makes the offensive line a lot of 70 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 3: their life a lot easier, would you know, maybe like 71 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: to see a little bit of those kind of quick 72 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: throws from Burrow overall as well. And yes, as you mentioned, 73 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: you you mentioned some of that run game success with 74 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 3: him as well, So yes, I absolutely think there's value 75 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 3: in I mean, every offensive play caller and quarterbacks are 76 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: constantly learning from each other with every single play call, 77 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 3: with every single game. So I do or I think 78 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: of it left wel as like, Okay, well you need 79 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: to put Joe Burrow inside of the Joe Blackow offense 80 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: because there are times when it's just, hey, you don't 81 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: throw the ball to that really good receiver outside, and 82 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: it's working for Flaco and. 83 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 2: It does also for Burrow. 84 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: So I do like the idea of hey, we're gonna 85 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: like get into d snaps where we still need to 86 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: like build a more consistent offense where you're able to 87 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: have things where the past game can be married to 88 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: the run game in different ways and affect defenses that way. 89 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Steelers, who the Bengals play on Sunday. 90 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: They haven't been good and they were very good offensively 91 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: against the Bengals. They did win that game against Indianapolis, 92 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: they were the opposite of good, I think in nearly 93 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: every phase against the Chargers the other night. Let's start 94 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: with their defense, So that's that's what you think of 95 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: first when you think of the Steelers. They've remade the secondary, 96 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: they had Jalen Ramsey playing safety the other night, and 97 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: yet it doesn't feel like a Steelers defense. Why is that? 98 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I think there is still just too much 99 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: of an elements overall where I. 100 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: Guess sometimes that is a Steelers defense. 101 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: Although I will say yes, with the adjustments on the 102 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: back and they have changed things up just a little 103 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 3: bit more. But I think offenses understand, hey, we can 104 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 3: run away from TJ. 105 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: Watts. 106 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: He's going to be in a static alignment sort of 107 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 3: over and over again. 108 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: And you know when the offensive side of the ball 109 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: is at flat, it really. 110 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 3: Puts the defense in sort of tough situations over and over. 111 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: So I just feel like over the years, like when 112 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: I watch, Okay, this is a different team still. 113 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: This is what looks different or this is what the 114 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: what the. 115 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: Team is trying you have seen it a little bit 116 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 3: from the Steelers over the last two weeks, but eventually injuries, 117 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: just attrition overall, some struggles on the outside, like those 118 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 3: things just catch up to you in a league that 119 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: it's just shifting too fast. And it feels like, even 120 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 3: with the Steelers still finding ways to win games, it feels. 121 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: Like it's kind of shifting past this team a little bit. 122 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,559 Speaker 1: Sean Side is with us, by the way, you follow 123 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: him on x AD Science Schemes, one of the authors 124 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: of these stats and scheme newsletter available now at sumer 125 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: sports dot com. I think the the immediate takeaway that 126 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: a lot of folks had from watching Pittsburgh on Sunday is, well, 127 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers just looks really, really old. Is that the 128 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: explanation for some of their offensive lowes or does it 129 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: go into scheme addicts? 130 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I think it's I guess could be 131 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 3: tied a little bit together. 132 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. 133 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: It's just because he's old. But this offense at this 134 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: point in time is a quick time to throw offense. 135 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: It's a low average depth of target offense. So the 136 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,679 Speaker 3: quarterback does not want to hang out there very very long. 137 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: He wants to get the ball out quick. He wants 138 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: to throw it short. That is something that defenses no 139 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: going into this like this game over and over again, 140 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 3: and yeah, I guess it's the Bengals. Of course, on 141 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 3: that and that Thursday night game, you get a bunch 142 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: of those downfill passes. But on the even this is 143 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: not an explosive offense. And then when you get Rogers 144 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 3: Stone tun Or after the interceptions against the Chargers, just 145 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: at through times like that, that is a really real struggle. 146 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 3: So this offense is kind of stuck in neutral, if 147 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: not reverse. Had a lot of times it feels like 148 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 3: even when hey, you've got a bunch of high ends 149 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: and you try and get heavy on the field, but 150 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 3: it feels like as long as you're you know, forcing 151 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 3: in to keep on throwing to a short quick passes 152 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 3: or you're able to sit on one, maybe you can 153 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: kind of steal one and take it the other way. 154 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: It's time. 155 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: I said the last time they played, it's just not 156 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: an offense that strikes fear in my heart. Now. Of course, yes, 157 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 3: he score a bunch of points against the anuals defense, 158 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: but I mean I'm hoping that this is a good 159 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: chance for them to be able to come back from 160 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 3: that game. 161 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 1: We started the conversation by talking about Joe Burrow. He 162 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: is targeting the thanks Giving Day game, the first one 163 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: against Baltimore. They played them twice within a couple of weeks. 164 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: The Ravens have gone from one in five to four 165 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,119 Speaker 1: and five and their defensive transformation has been starked. Better 166 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: health is obviously a reason. But why are the Ravens 167 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: suddenly good on defense? 168 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 3: Biggest reason is you're seeing Kyle Almilton. Not in that 169 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: scene see role playing all the way back. He is 170 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 3: playing in that nickel spot pretty much like a linebacker. 171 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: Right at the line of scrimmage. 172 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 3: You will literally see him walk up as if he 173 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 3: is a defensive end. And that is really really helping 174 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 3: them in terms of the run game because. 175 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: He is He's beating guys that is supposed to be 176 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: blocking him. 177 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: And I think that bringing in a Loie Gilman, who 178 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: was the safety of played with the Chargers before in 179 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: a similar system that the Ravens use, you're just able 180 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: to really take advantage of a weapon. So I really 181 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: enjoy seeing that from Baltimore. They have to, I think 182 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: be the favorite to win that division. I think they 183 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: probably should have been for like two three weeks, just seeing. 184 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: Kind of how things were going. 185 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: And then of course you know on offense you get 186 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: you still have Lamar Jackson. 187 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: There, let's talk about the stats and scheme. Newsletter shows 188 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: up in my inbox multiple times per week. I get 189 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: smarter when I read it. For folks who haven't signed 190 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: up yet, first of all, what are you waiting for 191 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: a second? What will they get? 192 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: The advanced game boxes where it's broken down by every 193 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: single thing that I think like a head coach could 194 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: really use, whether it's how would this offense do against 195 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: this defense? And going coverage, how do they do it 196 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: against them? In man coverage? All these specific sort of 197 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: actionable items where maybe you see a mismatch sort of 198 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: here and there for every game before the weekend starts, 199 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: and then on Monday morning you get a review kind 200 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: of similarly like if you did not watch any of 201 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: the other games, I think you could look at this 202 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: and feel like you learned something about all the massets 203 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: of the weekend. 204 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about sumer brain as well. I 205 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: wanted to punch in there on Sunday. How does a 206 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: team at home get eight fall starts? Penalties. Beyond that, 207 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: what can you ask sumer Brain at summer sports dot com. 208 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: Well, well, I'm not sure you can ask about all 209 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: those operational issues, but you can track over the last 210 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 3: two years, for example, what's the team that had the 211 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 3: most fall starts in an individual game. 212 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: So we have all of our data pumped in there. 213 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 2: We just want you to be able to type in. 214 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: How you would speak in English and your question and 215 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: kind of be able to pull it. 216 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: So do we have data for every single data point 217 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: on Earth? 218 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 3: No, But if it helped me save a lot of time, 219 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 3: you type in a right, well, how do the Bengals 220 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: do in the first game against the Steelers on third downs? 221 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: You're able to just type it in, pull it up 222 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: real quick, save yourself some time. Don't subscribe to a 223 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: bunch of services, get some better in So going forward, it. 224 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: Is a perfect resource, so is Sean sayed, We'll talk 225 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: to you next week. 226 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 2: Man, thanks so much, thanks so much, So I appreciate it.