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Speaker 1: Vince and kfan dot Com. Two minutes forty seconds past

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Speaker 1: three o'clock Central Standard Time on a very Snownami like

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Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon here in the twin cities of Minneapolis and

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Speaker 1: Saint Paul. My name is Dan Barrero. I'm joined as

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Speaker 1: always by Justin Gard. We will be with you six thirty,

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Speaker 1: all the way, all the way tonight, all the way

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Speaker 1: again tonight till six thirty this very evening. We're delighted

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Speaker 1: that you're along for the ride today that will include

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Speaker 1: the return for the first time this season. I believe

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Speaker 1: of Sam Mitchell. Sam Mitchell's going to join us at

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Speaker 1: four point thirty today. I'm very curious to hear what

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Speaker 1: Sam has to say about your favorite basketball team and

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Speaker 1: perhaps some other NBA related issues. So checking with Sam

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Speaker 1: at about ninety minutes from now. Thirty minutes from now

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Speaker 1: Is that correct? He is hungring down. Yeah, the blizzard

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Speaker 1: the tsunami nominations will be accepted. Keep those coming into

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Speaker 1: the bratchew on Brian Kafan text line, which will be

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Speaker 1: up presently at six four six eight six. Louis is

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Speaker 1: he will join tomorrow. Lou or Goose, Intrepid Carolevin reporter

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Speaker 1: lou Regoose will join today at five point fifteen. There's

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Speaker 1: much to get caught up on with him. Lougoose at

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Speaker 1: five fifteen. Is that I never asked him? Is that

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Speaker 1: a great question because it's a great TV names, an

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Speaker 1: absolutely credible name. Lougose authoritative, Yes, easy to say, trips

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Speaker 1: all over the place. He's you know what he is?

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Speaker 1: He's is it in? I can never say the word indefatigable.

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Speaker 1: known as Minnesota Timber was doing right now. I, for

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Speaker 1: the life of me don't know they lose last night.

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Speaker 1: What was the final? I think it was one O

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Speaker 1: And by the way, the Sons did not have their

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Speaker 1: number one score correct. Devin Booker did not Booker did

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Speaker 1: not play, which might have come as a surprise to

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Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards because apparently on Insta he had on his

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what we called him. Book That's what they

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Speaker 1: but what we're what they now know. I think what

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Speaker 1: if you're a casual fan, I believe, and even number twelve.

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Speaker 1: it's fun to watch when a team seems to come

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Speaker 1: The big move that the head coach made last night

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Speaker 1: But I'm here to tell you again, all due respect

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Speaker 1: We're just not He Bones Hyland is what he is.

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Speaker 1: get it. Your final four. That's rarefied air. That's good,

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Speaker 1: that's unprecedented. It's been fun organization, except for, of course

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Speaker 1: the one Garnett year. But I just it's not it's

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Speaker 1: I believe. I just love players who have a natural

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Speaker 1: He doesn't seem all that bothered that all he's done

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Speaker 1: Puzzy doesn't stay healthy. No, it's not either of the balls.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's the name I could have come

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Speaker 1: see that, Yeah, I knew, Yeah, I saw that yesterday. Again. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's all based on has It's not anybody reporting that

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Speaker 1: there have been a light conversations. It would make sense

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Speaker 1: You'd have to have a third team involved, you'd have

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Speaker 1: million permutations. Leaving aside the fact that there hasn't been

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Speaker 1: in that regard. Well, maybe, again it's recency buyas I

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Speaker 1: the club. That just does seem to be And again,

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Speaker 1: we're not under five hundred. I think we're in the

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Speaker 1: played like the either the third or fourth softest schedule

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Speaker 1: through how many games do we played twenty five twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I think we're fifteen to nine twenty four. Yeah that

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Speaker 1: He's still out with significant I mean, he's expected back

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Speaker 1: late this season unless Dallas just decides if they're in

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Speaker 1: And I'm more bothered this year than I would have

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Speaker 1: been other years where we made major changes, right like

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Speaker 1: last year, right before was it day before training camp

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Speaker 1: it's basically the same team, So there's less excuse I

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Speaker 1: continuity only helps you the beginning of the Season's that's

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Speaker 1: what it's good for. Yeah, that's a direct quote from

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Speaker 1: in theory, but I don't think it has not really.

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Speaker 1: I mean, again, here's the truth. We've kidded about nikiel.

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Speaker 1: I know they couldn't keep everybody. Yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that was financially feasible. But they haven't replaced him. They

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Speaker 1: haven't replaced what he represents at his best. That's true

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. I don't want to give up on it.

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Speaker 1: But it's not looked very good lately, has it. It's

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Speaker 1: not looked very good and not been very promising so far. See.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask Sam Mitchell about this. See what he thinks.

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Speaker 1: He often thinks I've lost my basketball. Mind. But I've

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Speaker 1: suggested before, are we right now? Are we looking at

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Speaker 1: Dilly wrong with the would the Wolves be better off

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Speaker 1: saying to Dilly when you play him off the bench,

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Speaker 1: like McCarthy. You'll play, get some baskets. Jamal Crawford light. Now,

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Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford's a lot bigger and a lot better. But

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Speaker 2: and so we thought this would be a good week.

422
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Speaker 1: For that very serendipitous story. Yeah, that's great. Well, I'll

423
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: also give Dan when Asota little credit because he had

424
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: reminded me of the anniversary but he'd also said that

425
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: he was he tried to get a hold of He

426
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: thinks he identified the individual the perpetrator of the bottle throwing,

427
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 1: and that he I believe, you know, if he's listening,

428
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: he can text me to correct the record. I thought

429
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: what he wrote to me was that he'd actually talked

430
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 1: to someone else in the family, but that he does not.

431
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: He's not interested. It's kind of going Bartman on the bid.

432
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: He has no interest in reliving that and going through

433
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: it today. And I I thought it was intrepid reporting

434
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: if a needy found out who it was or found

435
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: the person, because I'm not sure I remember anybody locally

436
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: getting to the bottom of that and actually pursuing that

437
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: individual and seeing if they could get an interview with him.

438
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that nobody was ever publicly identified. I will say

439
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: that I think it was Brian Murphy when he worked

440
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,919
Speaker 2: at the Saint Paul Pioneer Press. Brian still local at

441
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 2: the game. Yes, Yeah, he did a story and I think,

442
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 2: if I'm remembering this right and hopefully I don't botch it,

443
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: he found out who the person was or who was

444
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: suspected to be and reached out to that person who

445
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: didn't want to talk about it, and the Pioneer Press decided, well,

446
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: it's so long ago and the guy was so young

447
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: at the time relatively that they would not identify him.

448
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: And so I don't think the person I guess it

449
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: was to him, I suppose, but I don't think that

450
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: person has ever talked publicly about it.

451
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: The whiskey bottle incident. All right, I'm looking at the

452
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: Minnesota email he sent me a few days ago. I've

453
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: tracked the guy down, but he didn't respond. I still

454
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: felt the need to write about it, though, because it's

455
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: the fiftieth anniversary in December, and he gave me a

456
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: link to what he describes as a preview. He hasn't

457
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: published it yet. I'm still tweaking words and phrase is

458
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: going to publish it the next day or two, and

459
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he has yet, but he can chime

460
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: in and give me and correct me if I'm I'm

461
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: wrong on that. So you're covering more the football side

462
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: of what the football implications of that moment in that.

463
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: Game, right and just and you know, there's there's obviously

464
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: a lot of different angles to it. It changed Drew

465
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: Pearson's life in a lot of ways. He talked to us,

466
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: to our Cowboys reporter about that and how you know,

467
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: he's obviously in the Hall of Fame now and that

468
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 2: play in itself didn't make him a Hall of Famer,

469
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: but it certainly put him on the map of the superstary.

470
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: His connection with Roger Staubuch, especially post career, had, you know,

471
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: really took off because of that play, and Roger helped

472
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: him get started in business, and lots of lots of

473
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 2: connections there. And of course the people who participated in

474
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 2: it in Minnesota are still not over it. You know,

475
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: there's still the reason he's not Drew Pearson's no push

476
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 2: Pearson here and uh, And there's a a very rapid

477
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: belief to this day that if uh the officials had

478
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: been on top of their game, that they would have

479
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: called offensive pass interference and they played never would have counted.

480
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: Well guards, this reminds you, are we going to have

481
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: to redo what we did. I don't remember what year

482
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: it was we had Drew Pearson and Suck Foreman on. Yes,

483
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: it's one of the best moments in show history, absolutely

484
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: one of the It was remarkable because.

485
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 2: They go after each other.

486
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: Well, that's the beauty of us. They started it out

487
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: being very what you'd expect a long time ago. We're

488
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 1: all brothers, we love each other. It's all football play

489
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: with rivalries. And eventually when we got to the nitty gritty,

490
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: it was bad. It deteriorated into you're out of your mind?

491
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: How can you say? I mean, they got mad again.

492
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: It was beautiful. It was just perfect. I feel like

493
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: it started. We were just having Drew Pearson on it,

494
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 1: and I think Chuck called in on his own. Oh

495
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: that might be Drew, that might have been in. He

496
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: called in on his own, and it is saying they started.

497
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: So it started okay. They were kind of joking about it,

498
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: and then Chuck was bitter. And then the best part

499
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: was when Pearson just went touchdown, Cowboys, touchdown, Cowboys. Enough

500
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: said yeah, and we don't have Dan, we don't have

501
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: that audio anywhere, which makes me mad because I should

502
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: have saved it because it was a long time ago.

503
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: It was probably fifteen years ago, at least fifteen.

504
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Well, I can tell you fifty years ago,

505
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, a week or two ago, a lot

506
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: of genuine bitterness. I talked to Paul Krause, No doubt

507
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: up to Nate Wright. Nate Wright hasn't talked about it

508
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: a lot over the years. He was the quarterback, and

509
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: he and he and Pearson have had a few like

510
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 2: one cordial conversation and one not very cordial conversation in

511
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 2: the fifty years that have passed. So it's it's pretty

512
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: wild that it still strikes the level of emotion that

513
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 2: it does. But it was a huge play in a

514
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: playoff game. It arguably the best team that the Vikings

515
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 2: ever had right over that that time, and they didn't

516
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: even make the NFC Championship game.

517
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I bet it was nine when the Vikings played the Cowboys.

518
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: That had to be the occasion. I will tell you

519
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: know right when I when I worked in Dallas, Drew

520
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: Pearson was probably my favorite athlete to cover. I had

521
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: a great relationship with him. In fact, he had later

522
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: many years later, a horrible car accident in which he

523
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: was driving, and I want to say it was his nephew.

524
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: I don't remember. The relation might have been his brother,

525
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: because I wrote a lengthy piece where for the first

526
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: time he kind of opened up on it since the accident.

527
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: It was a horrific story, and so I've always had

528
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: a great relationship with any and from a media standpoint,

529
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: I understand why people would dislike him here because it

530
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: has to do with that play. But from a media standpoint,

531
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: he was about as approachable player as I ever dealt

532
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: with on any level in any sport.

533
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's still he's in his mid seventies, I think,

534
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: and still very much out in public and out and

535
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: about doing a lot of cowboys stuff and his own

536
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:40,840
Speaker 2: business stuff.

537
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's a good idea.

538
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: That accident might have ended his career.

539
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: It did, absolutely, he had serious injuries. He's lucky he

540
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: didn't wasn't killed, and the passenger was yeah, and and

541
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: and it was horrific and it was huge obviously at

542
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: at the time. All Right, so we'll look forward to that.

543
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: That part's good, I guess real quick before we talk

544
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: about the vikings and where we are now. By the way,

545
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: this text just came in. I was at the game.

546
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm seventy years old now. Pearson got away with it,

547
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: so it's still it's still fresh. It will never go

548
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: away for anybody who was just either remembered it or

549
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: was a fan on either side of it, it will

550
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: never go away.

551
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: It won't and there's there's so many layers to it.

552
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: I also talked to Dick john Kowski who reminded.

553
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the one. He doesn't mind being on

554
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: the record because we talked. We had him on to

555
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: talk about his little move kicking Pearson earlier on that

556
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: drive in the sideline.

557
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: I believe the well the play before. They're bitter about too,

558
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: because it was fourth and seventh.

559
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and.

560
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: If they don't convert fourth and seventeen, it's over. There

561
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: ain't had like their twenty five yard lives. So he

562
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: throws it to the fifty on the sideline and Drew

563
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: Pearson makes this unbelievable so taping catch on the sideline,

564
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: but the Vikings say he was out of bounce and

565
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 2: Paul Kraus is like, there was a snowbank ten feet high,

566
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: how did you tell where the sideline was? And obviously

567
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: I'm exaggerating, but that and then Dick xon Kowski is

568
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: a usher on the sideline, a celebrity usher on the

569
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: sideline while he is on the ground.

570
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: Video film, Yeah, it's it's it's we we talked about

571
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: it back then. The film is utterly I mean we're

572
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: talking about he's rolling or you know, towards the sidelines

573
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: and he just walks over and kicks him like you

574
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: said in the leg.

575
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: Well, he didn't like he thought he should have been

576
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: out of bed apparently.

577
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, here's another one that just came

578
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: in regarding that that game. My dad was a taxi

579
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: driver in the eighties, had Drew Pearson in his cab

580
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: and he recognized who it was, he pulled over and

581
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: made him get out of the cab. That's an absolute

582
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: true story. Oh it is.

583
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: It is true because Drew Pearson told us that story.

584
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: He confirmed me. It's in the story.

585
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, he said he took him like he

586
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: went through five guys.

587
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: But let's get a cap that's outstanding. That'll be fun,

588
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: that'll be fun to read. There are people suggesting that

589
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: I should maybe like mock you while you're down regarding

590
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: your Virginia football team. How hard did you? I mean,

591
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: because Virginia, by the way, Virginia wins like they were

592
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: supposed to. All this other nonsense. There is not the

593
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: same controversy, right if Virginia just does what it's supposed

594
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: to do and wins, that they're in the tournament.

595
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it was a classic. I mean that

596
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: you don't have games like that, Oh, you only have

597
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: games like that in Virginia history. No other school has

598
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: this kind of heartbreaking, right, But they had this dream

599
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: season where they didn't have to play SMU, they didn't

600
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: have to play Miami, and they didn't have to play

601
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 2: most of the good teams in the a SEC. And

602
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 2: they win like three overtime games and two other games

603
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: at the very end, and it's this totally charmed season.

604
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: And all they have to do is be Duke, who's

605
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: like six and five or seven or five, and they

606
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: had just they had throttled a few weeks ago, and

607
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: they Duke, just take the two of them. And so

608
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 2: we're playing in the Gator Bowl against the the Missouri

609
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 2: squad and so not a terrible consolation, but like there'll

610
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: never be like there'd be so few chances for them

611
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: ever to be in the playoffs again. But of course

612
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: they were unable to any experience, Virginia fan would have

613
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: fully expected it.

614
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: By the way, what exactly did Wes Phillips say today

615
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: that had all of you Jackals swooning? What was the conversation?

616
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: It was just super inside footballie and I had been

617
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 2: wanting to ask about this for a while, so Kurt,

618
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: I think we you and I talked about its. Kurt

619
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 2: Warner had has had some videos on his YouTube channel

620
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 2: this year about the Vikings the way they sort of

621
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: teach how to the quarterbacks who to throw to basically,

622
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: and so it's less about reading defenses and more about

623
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: what's called pure progression. Yeah, okay, on this play, justin

624
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: Jefferson's the first read. If he's not open, I go

625
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 2: to the next read, and I go to the next

626
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: read and go to the next read until somebody is open.

627
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 2: Then I throw it to him. And and Kurt Warner

628
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: hates that and it's been kind of ripping them for

629
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: it because it's it basically takes away a smart quarterbacks

630
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: ability to cut to the chase and throw immediately to

631
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: whoever's going to be open. And he doesn't necessarily think

632
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: it's great for a young quarterback. And so it came

633
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: up and passing today and so we asked. We really

634
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 2: drilled down with Wes about what it means and why

635
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 2: they like it and what are the advantages of it,

636
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: and he went through a lot of the details. I

637
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Speaker 2: have no idea how I'm ever going to use this

638
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Speaker 2: in a story, but it was really fascinating to talk

639
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Speaker 2: to him about it and get the offensive coordinator, you know,

640
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Speaker 2: straight from the horse's mouth, why they do it the

641
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Speaker 2: way they do it.

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Speaker 1: Who defeats the Vikings new offense first opposing defensive coordinators

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Speaker 1: or koc.

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Speaker 2: Game the offensive they used in the game that they

645
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Speaker 2: have thirty one points the other day. You know, I

646
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Speaker 2: I I probably didn't do a good enough job of

647
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Speaker 2: previewing and reviewing the extent to which Washington's defense has

648
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: just been really bad this year and they and not

649
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: and and mostly because it it would have sounded like

650
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Speaker 2: exactly like I'm sounding now, where I'm not giving any

651
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Speaker 2: credit to the Vikings for performing well. It's just the

652
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: old roycey Berrero angle of the other team must be terrible.

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Speaker 1: That's the only way.

654
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Speaker 2: That the Vikings could be good. Yeah, and so, but

655
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: they definitely invited Washington definitely invited exactly what the Vikings

656
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: wanted to do, which was let JJ McCarthy, you know,

657
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: for the most part, be protected in the pocket and

658
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: throw to underneath receivers who the defenders were playing way

659
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Speaker 2: off of. And so they didn't get a ton of

660
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: like really long downfield throws, and Justin Jefferson was open

661
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: a few times, and they didn't really make those attempts.

662
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Speaker 2: But they gave a guy who has struggled when he

663
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Speaker 2: gets blitzed, when he gets blitzed, who struggled when guys

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Speaker 2: look like they're covered or close to being covered, and

665
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: gave him a great landscape to really just you know, one, two,

666
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Speaker 2: three steps and throw to the first guy. And so, I,

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Speaker 2: assuming no other team plays at that level of soft defense,

668
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Speaker 2: then it's going to be difficult.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 2: I think O'Connell has a pretty good idea of what

671
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Speaker 2: works and what doesn't work with JJ right now. I

672
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Speaker 2: think he still wants to push him in certain spots,

673
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Speaker 2: and I don't think that's the wrong approach, But I

674
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Speaker 2: don't know that they'll get the advantage of facing a

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Speaker 2: defense that's quite at the level of what Washington was

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Speaker 2: on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: The what do you say to those of us who

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Speaker 1: said as recently as yesterday that now and I will,

679
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Speaker 1: in fact, you have to you do, in fairness, have

680
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Speaker 1: to factor in the state of the Washington defense somewhere

681
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Speaker 1: in there, but leaving him out aside for a moment

682
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Speaker 1: or trying to. It did strike me, especially the first drive,

683
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Speaker 1: that it's exactly, in least in principle, the sort of

684
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Speaker 1: offense that he should have been starting with with j

685
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Speaker 1: AJ at the beginning of the season. And I tend

686
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Speaker 1: to think that's part of where he has failed here,

687
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: that he's he's he's got such grand design and he's

688
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: so good at designing stuff that he still couldn't help

689
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: himself and he miscalculated what JJ McCarthy was prepared was was,

690
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Speaker 1: you know, I guess good enough to sort of run

691
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Speaker 1: early in the season. So I think it's hard for

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Speaker 1: me to to even with the defense they're playing, to

693
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Speaker 1: say we should have been seeing a lot more of

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Speaker 1: that a lot sooner. And it's not going to solve

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Speaker 1: all your problems because some teams will start sitting on

696
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: down on that stuff. We get that, but then maybe

697
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: that's when you start adding wrinkles and you and you compensate.

698
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Speaker 1: But to me, that's what I came out of that

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Speaker 1: game with. It's it's and is I think you'll agree,

700
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Speaker 1: a completely different offense than the one he's used generally

701
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: with with Kirk Cousins among others.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he was I'm not sure where

703
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: he would agree with that, but he did say last

704
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: week in public at a press conference that, you know,

705
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Speaker 2: he basically implied that he'd been to an ambitious He

706
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 2: said that, you know, what he has to what he's

707
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: had to realize and on transparency, is that some of

708
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: the things that he sees that are out there that

709
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: are gettable, you know, in theory, on paper, based on

710
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 2: the vikings personnel against what other defenses they are trying

711
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: to do, has to take a back seat to what

712
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: is best for the team. And what was best for

713
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: the team was to have you know, CJ. Hamm on

714
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Speaker 2: the field a lot more than he's you know, more

715
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Speaker 2: than he's ever been in the entire O'Connell era, to

716
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Speaker 2: run a lot you know, I don't know if they

717
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Speaker 2: ran a lot more three tight ends, but they ran

718
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Speaker 2: a fair bit of three tight ends. Every throw to

719
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: the tight end was not necessarily the first read, but

720
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Speaker 2: they got JJ to move to it very quickly. A

721
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Speaker 2: lot of I think Justin Jefferson was probably the first

722
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Speaker 2: read on a lot of occasions, and he was the

723
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Speaker 2: one thing that Washington did a good job of was

724
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Speaker 2: cover him with schemes that would move JJ quickly off

725
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Speaker 2: of him, which he did, and that's why you saw

726
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: the tight ends catch a lot of passes. But they

727
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: have to be on the field to be able to

728
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Speaker 2: do that, and they have to be out in the

729
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 2: routes and not necessarily shipping or blocking. And so I

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Speaker 2: don't I think that I wouldn't say like they ran

731
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Speaker 2: a new offense or a different offense, but the things

732
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Speaker 2: they emphasized are what we kind of like just the

733
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: way they played as an overall team, not just offensively.

734
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Speaker 2: Like and we talked about this at the beginning of the year,

735
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 2: what's the theory for how the Vikings can win games,

736
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Speaker 2: especially early with JJ McCarthy, and it was defense playing

737
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: lights out, running game being very strong and productive, not

738
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Speaker 2: just not just them using it, but being productive as well.

739
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: And and then JJ McCarthy making throws that are that

740
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: he's good at and moving quickly to checkdowns when necessary

741
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 2: and occasionally picking up first downs by scrambling. So like,

742
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: not just the offense, but like that was and again

743
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Speaker 2: Washington had something to do with that. We can't totally

744
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: remove that context, but that was what I walked away thinking,

745
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: is that you know what you know whatever, like specifics

746
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: about the offensive scheme, like this was the kind of

747
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: football they had to play throughout the course of the

748
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: season in all likelihood for them to have a playoff

749
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Speaker 2: caliber record.

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Speaker 1: How worried do you think the head coach is on

751
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Speaker 1: the requirement of finding a way even in victory potentially

752
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: a loss, but somewhere along the way getting JJ jending

753
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Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson back into the mix, you know, I he.

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Speaker 2: It has to be something that they're thinking about and

755
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: not just to keep JJ happy, like against especially against

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Speaker 2: the Dallas, Like a team like Dallas that has so

757
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 2: much offensive firepower, and you go in and as saying

758
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: like you're, yeah, like maybe it's great if you can

759
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: if you can get another nineteen play twelve minute drive,

760
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: But for the most part, you're gonna have to score

761
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: a significant amount of points probably to keep up with Dallas.

762
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: That and the only and the still the best way

763
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: for them to score a good amount of points over

764
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: the course of a game is to involve Justin j downfield.

765
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Speaker 2: So I don't think it will be solely motivated to

766
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: make sure he gets to like a thousand yards at

767
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: the by the end of the year, which is not amazingly,

768
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: it's not like a slam dunk. I think he still

769
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: needs I mean, he needs to average more than what

770
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: he's been averaging the past month and a half or so,

771
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: if you get there in terms of receiving yards and so.

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00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 2: I don't think it'll be solely motivated by that, because

773
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 2: if they want to score enough points to win most

774
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 2: of these games, they're going to have to involve him

775
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 2: downfield more than they have. But I think that's definitely

776
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: something of a factor. And you know, if he were

777
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: to go through seventeen games and not get to a

778
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: thousand yards, I think that would be a very obvious, glaring,

779
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: mathematical piece of evidence of how their offense fell short

780
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: this year.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get a quick pause, if a carry

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Speaker 1: over for one more segment, if we can Kevin SIEFERTESPN

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Speaker 1: dot Com. I've got some more texts I want him

784
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Speaker 1: a Kevin to respond to. And I also want to

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about the current condition of

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00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: the National Football Conference North, our favorite division. SAMI raging

787
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Speaker 1: in the background. Keep your nominations coming, because I think

788
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: tomorrow will be the day it's pretty clear we will

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Speaker 1: name our first SNONAMI of the twenty twenty five twenty

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Speaker 1: six winters,