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Speaker 1: It's Take twenty nine fifty five KERCD talk station. Man

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Speaker 1: Thursdays have not been the same of late. You know

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Speaker 1: how much I love talking to iHeart media aviation expert

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Speaker 1: Jay Ratlift, and he is back after about of Bell's palsy.

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Speaker 1: Jay Ratlift's so happy to have you on. Did you

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Speaker 1: feel the power of prayer coursing through your body from

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Speaker 1: my listening audience, Jay Ratlift.

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Speaker 2: I did, indeed, sir, I did. Indeed.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I got a lot of emails after about

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Speaker 3: the second or third week saying hey, I've missed you,

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Speaker 3: and I thought, wow, I took a while for him

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Speaker 3: to miss the fact I wasn't there. But no, I

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Speaker 3: got some very nice emails and a lot of people

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Speaker 3: were chiming in as far as their experiences with Bell's

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Speaker 3: paulsy and yeah, I was getting ready for church the

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Speaker 3: last Sunday of October, looked in the mirror and the

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Speaker 3: left side of my face was drooping and I thought, well.

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Speaker 2: That's not right.

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Speaker 3: Stroke went straight to the e. Well, you know that

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Speaker 3: was my first thought. But there was any other stroke

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Speaker 3: related symptoms. And I know that because I have a daughter.

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Speaker 3: That's the heart and vascular ICU nurse. But you know,

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Speaker 3: I promised my girls anytime that something didn't look right,

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Speaker 3: off to the hospital I go. And I did, and

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Speaker 3: they quickly assessed me and said it was Belle's palsy

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Speaker 3: viral infection. It was mild, and they said, Jay, we

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Speaker 3: don't know if it's going to be days, weeks, or

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Speaker 3: months before we were able to get back, you know,

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Speaker 3: to where it's normal. And you know, fortunately it was

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Speaker 3: a mild case. The saddest part was my family didn't

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Speaker 3: seem to mind me talking less, and that was I

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Speaker 3: wasn't really ready for that ultra dose of compassion. But no,

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Speaker 3: it it went well. And Buddy, I missed my routine.

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Speaker 3: I yeah, still doing my trading stocks, is still training,

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Speaker 3: but you know, the routine of which day it is.

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Speaker 3: As far as my radio stuff as I have stuff

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Speaker 3: around the country, there were days I had to remind

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Speaker 3: myself what day of the week it was, and that

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Speaker 1: The routine back, and so are my listening audience and

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Speaker 1: me very much. I just I find this the segment

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Speaker 1: so fascinating and often quite comical. We will get to

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Speaker 1: a comical one at the tail end of our discussion

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Speaker 1: this morning. Let us talk and you missed out quite

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Speaker 1: a bit of aviation news. There wasn't a day or

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Speaker 1: a week that went Biden say, man, I wish Jay

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Speaker 1: Ratliffe was in better tradition. Yeah, I guarantee you Joe

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Speaker 1: would have called you for a you know, an out

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Speaker 1: of the ordinary segments on some other day of the

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Speaker 1: week because of what was going on. So let's move

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Speaker 1: past the shutdown and let's talk about the Trump administration

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Speaker 1: has decided to withdraw the cash compensation rule that would

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Speaker 1: have required airlines to pay cash for delays. Did the

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Speaker 1: shutdown and all the complications in the literally thousands of

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Speaker 1: flights that were canceledor delayed have anything to do with

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Speaker 1: this decision? What's behind this Jay ratlift?

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Speaker 3: Well, well, it's the fact that the Trump administration is

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Speaker 3: a very cozy relationship with airlines. We've talked about this,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this was this was a Biden something that

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden his administration put him about a year ago.

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Speaker 3: And this cash compensation rule, which is what we referred

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Speaker 3: to it as said, Look, if you're a passenger and

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Speaker 3: you're delayed more than three hours or more, you're going

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Speaker 3: to be entitled to cash compensation, guaranteed meals, lodging when necessary,

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Speaker 3: and ground transportation when it applies. And of course, when

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump was elected, which I was very glad to see,

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Speaker 3: airline stocks hole went up and people said, well, Jay,

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Speaker 3: why would that be the case, And I said, well,

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Speaker 3: to be candid, there's a very good relationship there was

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Speaker 3: in the first administration between Trump and the airlines and

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Speaker 3: the Biden administration. And you've heard me say this repeatedly.

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Speaker 3: Even though I did not care for it at all,

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Speaker 3: they did try to hold airlines accountable and they did

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Speaker 3: more in that regard than any other presidential administration that

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Speaker 3: I can remember, going back three decades. They absolutely hammered

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Speaker 3: once the Trump administration takes over, and after yes, the

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Speaker 3: Boeing was in that line as well. It was like, okay,

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Speaker 3: it was just it was there. You knew what was

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Speaker 3: the Department Transportation asking if they could withdraw some of

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Speaker 2: Revisited, and they did and.

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Speaker 3: They nothing went to trial of find that was it.

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Speaker 3: So it really bothered me, and I wasn't surprised at

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Speaker 3: have something similar to this in place. It's the airlines

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Speaker 3: to tell the government what they're going to do many places,

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Speaker 3: and refreshingly, that wasn't the case during the last four years,

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Speaker 3: and I was really glad to see it. But the

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Speaker 3: reality that the Donald Trump administration would continue that same

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Speaker 3: course was a real slight consideration, and I wasn't surprised.

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Speaker 3: I was ticked because I really wanted to see it

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Speaker 3: in place. It needed to be in place, but unfortunately

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Speaker 3: it's not.

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Speaker 1: Well, what would the financial landscape look like if the

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Speaker 1: rules in place and they were required to issue cash

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Speaker 1: compensation for the delays and the cancelations after what happened

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Speaker 1: during the shutdown, Well.

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Speaker 3: Let's see the cat you mean to the airlines, They

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Speaker 3: Delta and United would not be allowed to report or

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to report a billion dollars in profits

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Speaker 2: That's probably the number one thing.

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Speaker 3: Because you know when you're actually being forced to compensate

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Speaker 3: passengers when you screw up. And I'm not talking about

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Speaker 3: weather delays and things like that, but when you intentionally

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Speaker 3: schedule more flights than you know you can pull off,

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Speaker 3: and you're counting on a percentage of those canceling, which happens.

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Speaker 3: That's why they overbook flights. There's going to be a

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Speaker 3: percentage of people. And there's airlines that have thirty five

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Speaker 3: gates available at a time, and they'll schedule forty airplanes

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Speaker 3: the same time, Well, five have to be sitting out

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Speaker 1: Well, there's that's culpability there. At least you can point

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Speaker 1: because they chose to overbook, unlike say, an act of

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Speaker 3: Of thing, which those things wouldn't be covered under this right.

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Speaker 3: It would be a late arriving crew repeating mechanical issues.

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Speaker 3: These types of things that you know squarely could fall

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Speaker 3: do when we have those issues, Brian, they'll give us.

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Speaker 3: Here's five thousand frequent flyer.

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Speaker 2: Mons, right, big apology there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, and I suppose air traffic control is not

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Speaker 1: showing up because of government action or inaction as the case.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that also is. Isn't the airline's fault. They didn't

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Speaker 3: So no ripple effects on them, right, A real quick

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Speaker 3: ps to that. You know airlines were mandated to reduce

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Speaker 3: their flight activity in those supporting airports.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they were ordered to, and we'll talk about that next.

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Speaker 1: Because that order mandating reductions over effective this past Monday

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Speaker 1: at six am. Did it have any effect? Are we

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Speaker 1: okay to travel? Thanksgiving? That we will talk about coming

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Speaker 1: up next among other topics with Jay Ratliffe, the return

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Speaker 1: of Jay Ratliff. What a wonderful thing. Don't go away?

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Speaker 1: Fifty five KRC the talk station. Have you ever been

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Speaker 1: in the cockpit before? Jay Ratliffe has the return of

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Speaker 1: Jay Ratliffe after a brief health stint with Bell's policy.

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Speaker 1: Is so pleased to have them back on the program,

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Speaker 1: and there was much rejoicing. Okay, the FAA Entity Emergency

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Speaker 1: Order mandating reductions reductions brought about. I guess because while

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Speaker 1: essential employees, air traffic controllers were choosing to take days off,

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Speaker 1: maybe they had to go out and get another job,

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Speaker 1: but it happened, and so we had to reduce flights.

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Speaker 1: That's over effect of this past Monday at six am.

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Speaker 1: Are things looking good in terms of air traffic control?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Have they come back to work? Are we on schedule?

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Speaker 1: Jay Ratlift, Yeah, We're We're on schedule.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Keep in mind, before the shutdown, we still were battling

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Speaker 3: with a shortage of air traffic controllers. Oh ye're averaging

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Speaker 3: averaging per day about thirty nine hundred flight delays a day.

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Speaker 3: So when we get back to normal, we can measure

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Speaker 3: we have gotten back to that. In fact, airlines have

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Speaker 3: made it clear that look, they're gonna have all hands

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Speaker 3: for what, in his essence, the busiest travel week of

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Speaker 3: they did say at six am on Monday that those

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Speaker 3: the FAA has said for any airline that did not

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Speaker 3: a fine of US seventy five thousand dollars for every

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to tell you most of those airlines

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Speaker 3: it's going to be negotiated down or go away. We're

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Speaker 3: back to that same arrogance of the airlines and the

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Speaker 3: do instead of the other way around. And it frustrates me.

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Speaker 3: But that's just the reality of the power of the

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Speaker 3: it's going to continue to be the case. So I'm

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Speaker 3: excited that they are going to be held accountable with

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Speaker 3: a possible seventy five thousand dollars per flight fine, but

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Speaker 3: I know it's not going to stick.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you got that much power, any of the fools,

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Speaker 1: one that's not looking out for his or her own

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Speaker 1: best interests, you have to at least make the argument

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Speaker 1: that you should lower it. Now you're asking for seventy

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Speaker 1: five thousand, how about we write you check for ten

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Speaker 1: and hopefully you land someplace in the middle or closer

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Speaker 1: to the lower side if you're the airline. But of

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Speaker 1: course you're going to try to haggle. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: the government has to concede to your demands.

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Speaker 3: But I just would like for all it maybe oh

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Speaker 3: fifty thousand in IRS taxes?

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Speaker 2: Can we negotiate that down to like thirty I don't

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Speaker 2: think so. There's some company it's not fair.

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Speaker 1: There's some companies out there that advertise all the time

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Speaker 2: And I'm thrilled to see it, and I just hope

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Speaker 1: I mean, how many generations of humanity have been born

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Speaker 1: I'm going to end in a lighter note. Plus, hub

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