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Speaker 1: Yes is the most dangerous word in the dictionary because

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Speaker 1: it could lead to your own demise. Billio Vincent Gambudo

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Speaker 1: is here. Please don't subscribe. He is a master saying

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Speaker 1: no with something that most people are bad at. Welcome

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Speaker 2: Are you? Thanks so much? Thanks for having me. I'm

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Speaker 2: good I said yes to this happily. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Why are you saying yes to me? That would be

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Speaker 1: the ultimate. It's like, hey, you want to get on

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Speaker 1: and talk about you know, unsubscribed. No, I'm good, I've

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Speaker 1: got too much, got too much going on, kind of

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Speaker 1: self defeeding. You picked the important stuff, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's true though we all have to. Man, I guess

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Speaker 1: I need to do this in order to fulfill some

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Speaker 1: sell books. I appreciate that, and I appreciate taking time.

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Speaker 1: I've come on, But so yeah, why say? Where do

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Speaker 1: you draw a line of things?

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Speaker 2: Do you?

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Speaker 1: How do you determine what's in and what's out? In

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Speaker 1: some days? I think for most of us, it depends

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Speaker 1: on how we feel at that exact moment in time.

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Speaker 1: Do you catch me the right time? I might say yes,

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Speaker 1: you catch meet the wrong time, I'm probably gonna I know, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And you know what, either way is okay. The kind

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Speaker 2: right is understanding that it's okay and we've all been really,

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Speaker 2: really conditioned and souls are really sexy story you know,

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Speaker 2: to the dress. Right. But you know, yes is the

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Speaker 2: answer to everything we've always wanted. And I think we

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Speaker 2: live in a different time now right where your work

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Speaker 2: constantly bombarded left, right and center with messages, with information,

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Speaker 2: how to be savvy about saying no really really really

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Speaker 2: is important. But the first step really is to understand

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Speaker 2: that you can say it right without without with out

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Speaker 1: Well yea, and the message bombarding it doesn't begin and

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Speaker 1: end with it. But it's the mobile device. It's a text,

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Speaker 1: That largely is the I think the tipping point for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's really important, you know. I mean

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Speaker 1: do we set those boundaries? And it's easier said than done.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it's Julia Vincent Gambudo on the show

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Speaker 1: this morning. Please unsubscribe. Thanks taking back our time, attention

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Speaker 1: We really don't want this or that's not expected of

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Speaker 1: us anymore. It's it is fascinating. Please unsubscribe.

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