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Speaker 2: Like Sands through the hourglass, so go the days of

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Speaker 1: It really does feel like a soap opera, don't it.

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Speaker 2: And the big question to me is have you lost

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Speaker 2: confidence and respect for the Steelers organization? I wouldn't trust

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Speaker 2: them to wash my car. This is the Mark Madden Show.

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Speaker 2: I'm tired, tired of playing the game. Blazing saddles reference.

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Speaker 2: You kids won't get it. You kids don't get much.

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Speaker 2: Four one two three three three wxdx the number to call,

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Speaker 2: or follow me on Twitter at Mark maddenex if there

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Speaker 2: was a vaccine that made Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Go away, I'd take the jab.

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Speaker 2: Heck, I'd take it anally, or you can call and

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Speaker 2: talk hockey. Depends against Buffalo tonight at PPG, Tom Brooke,

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Speaker 2: don some of that matchup for you A moment ago

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Speaker 2: in the trifecta, Like I said, this is the formula

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Speaker 2: the Penguins can survive and make the playoffs, probably with

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Speaker 2: losing too in a row and to never lose two

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Speaker 2: in a Row you need to win tonight.

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Speaker 1: I'll go even further.

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Speaker 2: You got three straight games at home and then a

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Speaker 1: So win them all. Get some cushion.

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Speaker 2: The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushing. That's what

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Speaker 2: I said. I got a good feeling for tonight. Kendell

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Speaker 1: A big game.

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Speaker 2: But I want to get you talking, which I don't

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Speaker 2: Rogers jerking around the Steelers again? And I hear some saying, well,

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Speaker 2: that's Roger's prerogative, but that's what they said about Bobby Brown. No,

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Speaker 2: who you're rooting for here? Rogers are the Steelers. Rogers

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers is clearly an ass And how can you

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Speaker 1: Over yet again.

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Speaker 2: This reflects on Rogers, It reflects on the Steelers, and

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Speaker 2: it reflects on the fan base. It reflects on you.

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Speaker 2: So tell the truth, like I do. What do you

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Speaker 2: have you lost confidence in the Steelers organization? The Steelers

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Speaker 2: cut frank O Harris back when a top three player

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Speaker 1: Franco efed around and found out.

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Speaker 2: Steelers told Ben to retire, Steelers told Troy to retire,

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Speaker 1: It make zero sense.

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Speaker 2: Rogers thinks he's bigger than the Steelers, and the Steelers

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Speaker 1: We got Cheinakough. Uh you know, yeah, I get.

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Speaker 2: It young and with team controlled reclamation guys Joey who

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Speaker 2: I hear guys like TK said on the show yesterday

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Speaker 2: That Rogers interview was just I mean, I can't believe that.

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Speaker 2: it told me a lot to not like him. You

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Speaker 2: He is self centered beyond even how self centered I am. Yikes,

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Speaker 2: Remember the old roller Derby bodies and violence everywhere. Well

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Speaker 2: Rogers said yesterday on McAfee And are you tired of him?

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Speaker 2: Are you tired of the Steelers? Waiting a round for him.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to start Week one at quarterback for the Steelers?

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Speaker 2: I don't think they need to make a deal with

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Speaker 2: tomorrow's deadline, but sometimes a big deal comes out of nowhere,

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Speaker 2: all that at the bottom of the hour. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: no TV, like Kaiser SoSE and the usual suspects. Actually,

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Speaker 2: Rogers last year played like Kaiser SoSE when he did

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he ain't going to disappear. He's an attention whore.

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Speaker 2: He's dated Olivia mun Danica Patrick, Shalane Woodley, all famous women.

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Speaker 2: his last two seasons, one with these Steelers and one

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Speaker 2: Rogers is such a Carnie grifter. Let's go to Joe

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Speaker 3: Joe went up, Yeah, Mark, I want uh, I wanted

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Speaker 3: to answer your last question first. Yeah, I'm I don't

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Speaker 3: it for years. It's it's been growing. Uh. It just

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Speaker 2: Like well, I'm not sold on Howard either, but going

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Speaker 2: three and fourteen is not a bad option.

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Speaker 1: And if he does that then you find that out too.

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Speaker 2: I I just don't want to bring back Grandpa game

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Speaker 3: No, but how about how about at least if we

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Speaker 2: Although I wouldn't mind training for mere Jones either. I

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Speaker 3: But at least it would be entertaining, and we still

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Speaker 2: If Jack Murray and Burrow stay healthy, the Steelers will

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Speaker 2: wouldn't con on last year repeating itself, and I don't

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Nick hey, Mark.

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Speaker 4: I honestly, I don't even look at these Steelers having

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Speaker 4: when he went first to sinc great quarterback, no line

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Speaker 4: what two or three seasons.

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Speaker 1: No, he didn't.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean he was in a Super Bowl not

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Speaker 2: too long into his career, made a Conference Championship game.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals know what they're doing more than the Steelers doing.

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Speaker 2: The Bengals don't know much at all. They just it's

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Speaker 2: It's Josh, Joey Josh. Kyle Dubas basically said he'll talk

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Speaker 7: I think clearly Malcolin has exceeded expectations this season, as

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Speaker 7: Of course he is and I you know, I would

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Speaker 7: Quite frankly, Mark, and that's no knock on Gino. I listen,

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Speaker 2: Why does he want it decided now? Because there's no

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Speaker 8: That's right.

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Speaker 7: If I were Kyle, I wouldn't give him the money now.

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't do anything differently than what they've been doing.

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Speaker 7: He's just a really sensitive, emotional person, Like things like

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Speaker 7: But I still think there's a part of Kyle that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't see the upside to deciding now.

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Speaker 8: They're worried about their center depth. Mark.

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Speaker 7: I haven't heard that the Penguins are particularly interested in

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Speaker 7: He used to play there, they still really like him.

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Speaker 7: Vince has made it clear he doesn't want to go

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Speaker 7: Which obviously narrows down the field. Carolina might be the

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Speaker 8: No, he's not at all.

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Speaker 7: But that said, if the price is right, you do it.

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Speaker 7: It's just funny how the last couple of days, some

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Speaker 7: I think there is. I have heard that there are

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Speaker 7: teams interested in Skinner. I think they're willing to do it,

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Speaker 7: but only at a certain price. I don't think they're

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Speaker 7: going to say, you know, all right, we'll give you

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Speaker 7: a Skinner for a fourth round pick and bring up Mirroshov.

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Speaker 7: I don't think it's like that. I think ideally they

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Speaker 7: like having Skinner around because what if Mishov isn't quite

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Speaker 7: ready the way they think he is, or what if

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Speaker 7: she loves played does fade. At least Skinner gives you

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Speaker 7: another reasonable option, a guy with a lot of playoff experience.

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Speaker 8: So I do think they value that.

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Speaker 7: I don't think they have a problem with letting him

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Speaker 7: walk this summer that they already won the trade. Like

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Speaker 7: sometimes I think we get too preoccupied with why you

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Speaker 7: can't just let a guy walk and get nothing in returnly,

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Speaker 7: So sometimes that's okay, Sometimes.

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Speaker 8: That's for the best.

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Speaker 7: But I don't think he's going to resign here next

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Speaker 7: season because he knows Miroshov's come and he knows she

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Speaker 7: loves is here. He can probably get a multi year

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Speaker 7: deal elsewhere, so they know he's not coming back, but

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Speaker 7: they might just regard him highly enough that he still

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Speaker 7: helps them this season. If somebody wants to throw a

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Speaker 7: first or a second round pick at them or something

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Speaker 7: like that, now that changes things. But I don't know, No,

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Speaker 7: I wouldn't think so. So I think he'll probably say,

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Speaker 7: how do.

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Speaker 1: You think they played so far with us? Sid?

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Speaker 2: They don't look rattled anyway. They look like they're just

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Speaker 2: playing like they had been.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think they've been fine. Listen, they're two one

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Speaker 8: on one. You take that.

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Speaker 7: There have been lapses for sure. Really in Boston the

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Speaker 7: other night, if you remove the first ten minutes, they

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Speaker 7: played pretty well, but they were really really bad in

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Speaker 7: the first ten minutes, and they were really bad in

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Speaker 7: the last.

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Speaker 8: Two periods of New York.

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Speaker 7: So it's been about as expected, which is to say,

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Speaker 7: I think there are going to be some games like

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Speaker 7: in Boston when they're simply going to struggle to score

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Speaker 7: because they're still playing without Sidney crosbyan that's a really

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Speaker 7: big deal. But I also just don't see this team

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Speaker 7: falling apart, and they're going to lose a couple in

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Speaker 7: a row.

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Speaker 8: At some point.

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Speaker 7: They might lose tonight tough match up to night. That

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Speaker 7: Buffalo team's really really good. But I just don't see

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Speaker 7: this team falling apart. I think they're better than people realize,

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Speaker 7: and I think they've gotten so much better team defensively

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Speaker 7: in the last month or so. You can really see

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Speaker 7: the difference. They're just not giving up the great a's

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Speaker 7: that they were earlier in the season. They can keep

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Speaker 7: doing that. They're going to stay afloat until sim gets back.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: A big part of that is Eric Carlson, who would

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Speaker 2: have thought, I mean great on special teams, grade three

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Speaker 2: on two, great defensively, even I think past Sid and

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Speaker 2: maybe even including Sid, He's the Peng was MVP to date.

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Speaker 7: I thought he played maybe his best game of the

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Speaker 7: season in Boston the other night. He was unbelievable in

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Speaker 7: that game, and the goalie score had nothing to do

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Speaker 7: with that. Just the way he controlled play, the smoothness

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Speaker 7: of his game, and how good defensively he was too.

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Speaker 7: And I also see Carlson. With Crosby out, he's clearly

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Speaker 7: taking it upon himself to try to be even more

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Speaker 7: of an offensive factory, shooting the puck more. He's almost

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Speaker 7: demanding the pucket times, which I like. I actually think

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Speaker 7: that that's a sign of leadership in its own way.

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Speaker 7: I don't we don't really associate that with him because

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Speaker 7: he's got such a quirky personality.

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Speaker 8: But I had to chat with him after the game

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Speaker 8: in Boston. He was in a bad movie.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 7: Usually he's you know, happy, go lucky, even after losses.

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Speaker 7: As you always said, he was kind of chapped after

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Speaker 7: that game. He really wanted that one. And I think

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Speaker 7: that's because of sit out. He feels more responsibility to

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Speaker 7: kind of be the guy almost. I think he is

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Speaker 7: playing really really high level hockey right now.

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Speaker 2: I want to get back to Gino for one second.

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Speaker 2: I think if he gets the boo boo face and

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Speaker 2: plays worse, I think then the question answers itself. I

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Speaker 2: think Sid's going to figure in, and I kind of

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Speaker 2: fear how so. But I think if you don't make

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Speaker 2: the playoffs, no matter how Mugino plays, there's no need

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Speaker 2: to bring him back.

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Speaker 1: You can't move forward with a bunch of old guys.

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Speaker 2: Tyler Kennedy said that the Penguins have enough veterans, and

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Speaker 2: I know just what he means.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, of course they do.

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Speaker 7: If they move on from Gino, you still have a

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Speaker 7: locker room that includes Sidney Crosby and Brian Rust even

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Speaker 7: Crystal Tang is actually such a great example for young players.

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Speaker 7: They're fine if they don't make the playoffs. There's no

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Speaker 7: way they're bringing him back. I don't think now if

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Speaker 7: they make the playoffs, and even if they make a run,

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Speaker 7: who knows, sure there's a real chance that he comes back.

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Speaker 2: I think if they miss the playoffs or they go

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Speaker 2: out like meekly in five games, he's out gardles on how.

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Speaker 7: He plays, probably I would tend to agree with that.

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Speaker 7: And Gino even kind of said something like that to

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Speaker 7: us on Saturday. He said, I guess we're just going

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Speaker 7: to see all the rest of the season goes, and

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Speaker 7: then we'll see And that was my take as well.

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Speaker 8: Mark.

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Speaker 7: You know, people need to remember, I know everybody wants

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Speaker 7: Gino to stay forever. They haven't made the playoffs the

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Speaker 7: last three years. Like, you're allowed to make changes at

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Speaker 7: some point. I have all the respect the world for

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Speaker 7: the guy and what a competitor he is. And he

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Speaker 7: has been better this season, he absolutely has.

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Speaker 8: That doesn't mean.

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Speaker 7: He's going to be better next season too well, and

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Speaker 7: the odds are he probably won't mark.

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Speaker 1: My words, Josh, and I'm not sure what this means.

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Speaker 2: By the way, but if they don't re up Gino,

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Speaker 2: sid won't sign an extension this coming off.

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Speaker 7: He won't be happy about it. I know he won't

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Speaker 7: be happy about it. I know Pepperson won't be happy

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Speaker 7: about it on me's And that's why. If you're Kyle Dubas,

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Speaker 7: there's so many moving parts here. There's so many things

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Speaker 7: for him to consider, and that obviously is one of them. Listen,

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Speaker 7: if Gino starts playing even better and they win a

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Speaker 7: playoffs series like at that point, I don't know how

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Speaker 7: you don't bring them back for a year.

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Speaker 8: At least he will have earned it. I suppose.

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Speaker 7: It almost reminds me, in some weird way of the

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Speaker 7: Cam Hayward situation.

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Speaker 8: Not to that extreme.

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Speaker 7: Gino is not demanding huge money, but you know, Cam

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Speaker 7: wanted paid for what he had done the year before.

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Speaker 7: But at that age you got to be a lot

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Speaker 7: more worried about how good are you going to be

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Speaker 7: six months from now or twelve months from now, because

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Speaker 7: that's when the skills start to decline. And Kyle Dumas

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Speaker 7: is aware of that, and he's got to consider that.

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Speaker 1: Josh is always great stuff.

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Speaker 8: We'll see at the rink, all right, Mark, you got it.

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