1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Dragging really Redbeard, hey, Minnesota governor on line two. 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: Oh that's good. That's good. 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 3: Credit where credits do that? 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's congratulations, that's pretty good. I did not watch 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 4: the Grammys. Shocker, right. I don't want to be you know, 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 4: I get lectured enough by my spouse and by mister 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 4: Redbeard and by Tepper, so it's like, you know, why 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 4: wh wh Why would I then, you know, tune into 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 4: the Grammys and get lectured. 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 2: By them too. 11 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 4: So I just choose to, you know, spend my time 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 4: picking my nose or something. And then yesterday when I 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 4: came in, I started hearing all of the stories about 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 4: Billy Eilish. Now I have to admit I don't know 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 4: much about Billy Eilish. 16 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: I don't know much. 17 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 4: About the Grammys. I don't know who one what I 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 4: know about Jerry Jerry Rowe. I know about Jelly Row. 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 4: I've seen that SoundBite about him, uh praising Jesus and 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 4: you know, giving Jesus credit all of that. Good for him, 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 4: Good for him. So in my research to once I 22 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 4: heard what Billie Eilish had said by the way she 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 4: accepted Song of the Year. Yeah, God, and you know 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 4: what the song is no okay, okay, good. I didn't 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 4: want to be the odd man out here. And she 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 4: used her time at the podium like most of them did, 27 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 4: to deliver a political speech. California, according to her, is 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 4: stolen land and that no one is illegal on stolen land. 29 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: Huh. Now the line drew applause. 30 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 4: Everybody in the audience went, you know, backcrap crazy over 31 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 4: it because it always does well, and primarily because anytime 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 4: you use a slogan or a chain or something, it's designed, 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 4: you know, to get everybody else, you know, stirred up. 34 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 4: What they do, though, is they compress moral judgment into 35 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 4: a sentence, short enough to turn into a slogan or 36 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 4: to turn into a chant, but long enough to sound 37 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 4: profound and yet vague enough that most people won't scrutinize it. 38 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: They'll laugh at it. 39 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 4: Because yes, on its face, it is stupidly funny. No 40 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 4: one's illegal unstolen ground. What the crab does that mean? 41 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 4: What does it really mean? 42 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 3: It means, it means what it means Next time I'm 43 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: in California. 44 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: I know where. 45 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: That's right. 46 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 4: And I bet her garage doors work too, now, yeah, 47 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 4: but I bet in terms of the ratio of income 48 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 4: to spending. The amount of money you spent to fix 49 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 4: your garage is to her the twenty five. The quarter 50 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: I've got over there in that in my little cubicle. 51 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 5: You got a quarter at your desk that's gonna be gone, 52 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 5: is gone, that's gonna be gone. 53 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: Here we go. 54 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: No one is illegal un stolen Land. 55 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 4: You know how I always talk about and try to 56 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 4: remind you, Yes, pay attention to the stupidity of what 57 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 4: they espouse, But almost as important, and sometimes even more importantly, 58 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 4: is think about the people who are now standing at 59 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 4: a standing ovation of plodding and cheering and hooping and 60 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 4: hollering because of her amazing Uh, it's almost Socratic, it's 61 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 4: almost uh, it's Hemingway, Socrates, It's the Gospels, it's everything 62 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 4: combined into one. 63 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: It is so wise and so amazingly profound. 64 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: No one is illegal on stolen Land. 65 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 6: And yeah, it's just really hard to know what to 66 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 6: say and what to do right now. And I just 67 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 6: I feel really hopeful in this room, and I feel 68 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 6: like we just need to keep fighting and speaking up 69 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 6: and protesting, and our voices really do matter, and the 70 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 6: people matter. 71 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 3: And I say sorry, I. 72 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 4: Think they're all nodding, they're all there's there's one in 73 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 4: this one clip, there's there's somebody has like a I 74 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 4: don't know, a rooster on her head or something, and 75 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 4: she's nodding, and the rooster feathers are all kind of flying, 76 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 4: and she's just yeah, yeah, you're so right, you're so 77 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 4: right now. Slogan or a chant is not an argument, 78 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 4: but when you elevate it to the status of a 79 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 4: moral axiom, it actually does a lot more damage than 80 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 4: what she realizes. 81 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: No one is illegal. 82 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 4: Stolen Land is a great example of this, because that 83 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 4: presupposes a very simplistic picture of California's past, a picture 84 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 4: in which a coherent and unified indigenous society peacefully inhabited 85 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 4: a defined territory until some external tower rises stolen. The 86 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 4: problem is history doesn't cooperate or concort with that picture 87 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 4: that she's trying to draw, nor does a serious respect 88 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 4: for indigenous peoples as a rational political agent. Begin with 89 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 4: a simple question, how would you thinking about this? What 90 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 4: would it mean for California to be stolen land? Because 91 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 4: theft is not merely the fact of loss. Stolen Stolen 92 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 4: land is the wrongful taking of something from the rightful owner. 93 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: So in order to establish a theft, you've got to 94 00:05:56,160 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 4: identify an owner a thing that is owned, and then 95 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: you have to identify at taking a taking that violates 96 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: a recognized norm of either acquiring it or transferring it. 97 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 4: Every element matters. If you remove any of those elements, 98 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 4: the charge collapses into a bunch of bull crap, into 99 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 4: vacuous rhetoric. Now, California, before European contact, was not a 100 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 4: single political entity. It was home to hundreds of distinct 101 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 4: tribal societies, some numbering in five hundred to more. They 102 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 4: all spoke different languages, they were organized under different norms, 103 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 4: and sometimes they occupied overlapping or even shifting territories. They 104 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 4: were nomads and they moved about and sometimes they would 105 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: overlap and you'd have battles over that. Those societies, however, 106 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 4: traded with one another. They fought each other. They enslaved. 107 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 4: In fact, you want to talk about slavery, They enslaved 108 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 4: one another. They absorbed the defeated groups, They overtook the 109 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 4: people that they were battling. If they won the battle, 110 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: they displaced their rivals, they pushed them out, they went 111 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 4: somewhere else. Land changed hands repeatedly through violence. Sometimes some 112 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 4: negotiation is sometimes just natural migration. California is not an aberration. 113 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 4: California is an example of normal human history. Now, I 114 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 4: don't care some of you might think that I'm trivializing 115 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: later injustices. But this does not trivialize any sort of injustice. 116 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 4: It ought to clarify them. And I'll explain why. When 117 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 4: you recognize that indigenous societies exercise power, They made war, 118 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 4: they negotiated boundaries. That's not an insult, it's just the opposite. 119 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 4: It treats them as full political actors. They're not just 120 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 4: passive symbols in some modern morality play that just you know, 121 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 4: the evil aliens just come in, they land, and they 122 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 4: just take over everything. By the time the Spanish missionaries 123 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 4: and the soldiers established a sustained presence in California late 124 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 4: in the eighteenth century, Indigenous California had already been transformed 125 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: by forces internal to the continent, by the forces that 126 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 4: already existed. Disease, the pressure of availability of resources, inner 127 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 4: tribal conflicts, all those things started reducing populations, and then 128 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 4: that altered the political structures. Spain claimed California's a colonial possession. 129 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 4: They governed it for just over fifty years, and then 130 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 4: it got integrated into a broader imperial system. And then 131 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 4: when Mexico gained independence, it inherited the Spanish sovereignty. California 132 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 4: then passed from Mexico to the United States in eighteen 133 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 4: forty eight through the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. 134 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: Guess what. 135 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: That's a treaty that was negotiated between two recognized states 136 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 4: following a declared war among them, and that was ratified 137 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 4: under the international law of that time. Now, you can, 138 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 4: obviously war is bad, and you can condemn the war, 139 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 4: and at that time many did condemn the war, but 140 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 4: condemnation does not erase the legal fact of a lawful transfer. 141 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 4: Mexico seated California in exchange for fifteen million dollars, So 142 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 4: there was consideration, just like a contract. I want to 143 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 4: buy something. In fact, I'm going to buy something today 144 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 4: and I'm going to provide a cashiers check they're going 145 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 4: to give me. I'm going to give them the cashiers 146 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 4: check and exchange they're going to give me something that I. 147 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 2: Want to transaction. Huh. 148 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 4: So Mexico exchanged California for fifteen million dollars and an 149 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 4: assumption of three point twenty five million dollars in debt. 150 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: Theft. 151 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 4: No, it does not meet the legal definition of theft 152 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 4: in any manner whatsoever. It is a state government government succession. 153 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 4: It's a mechanism by which sovereignty has changed hands through 154 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 4: recorded history. Mankind has always done this. So what what 155 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 4: would the typical liberal do? At this point? They would 156 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 4: shift the argument. Oh, the land may have passed legally 157 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 4: between colonial powers, they say, but never, it was never 158 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 4: theirs to give in the first place. It belonged to 159 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 4: the tribes. Okay, let's break that down because it does 160 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 4: raise hard questions. Our own government recognized those questions because 161 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 4: in the early eighteen fifties federal negotiations negotiations were entered 162 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 4: into to form treaties with the tribes in California, treaties 163 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 4: that involved the session of land in exchange for reservations, goods, livestock, 164 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 4: and federal recognition. These agreements were not symbolic. They were attempts. Now, 165 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 4: they were flawed, they were not perfect, but they were 166 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 4: attempts to regularize sovereignty through consent, rather than just exterminate 167 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 4: the tribes. Hey, we're conquerors. We're gonna let you live, 168 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 4: but in exchange for that, we want some land, and 169 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 4: we're exchanged for that land, we're gonna give you these 170 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 4: other things. Was it perfect, No, but it was what 171 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 4: humans do. Now, some treaties were mishandled, no doubt about it. 172 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 4: They got delayed, they got ignored by Congress, and that 173 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 4: is a stain on our history. But the existence of 174 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 4: the treaties is what matters. It shows that tribal leaders 175 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 4: were not treated merely as obstacles to be cleared off 176 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 4: or pushed off into the Pacific. They were parties capable 177 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: of bargaining, choosing, and choosing to survive. So if you're gonna, 178 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 4: if you want to somehow these agreements were meaningless because 179 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,959 Speaker 4: the tribes were too weak to consent. Well, then you're 180 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 4: basically saying, oh, the Indians, the tribes had no agency 181 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 4: of their own. You're basically saying they were incapable of 182 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 4: doing anything on their own, making their own decisions. 183 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 2: I'd like for you to stand in front of some of. 184 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 4: The chiefs, some of the tribal leaders, if we could 185 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 4: bring them back to life and just say. 186 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: You're weak, you just gave in. 187 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 4: You just didn't have any agency, You didn't stand up 188 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 4: for your people, and they probably spirit to death right there. 189 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 4: That kind of view is condescending. That kind of view 190 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 4: is just like saying that, oh, you can't get it's 191 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 4: racist to demand, you know, ID to go vote because 192 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 4: for some reason liberals are convinced that black people are 193 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 4: incapable of getting an idea of any sort. How condescending 194 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 4: and racist can you get? Now, the moral record of 195 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 4: this country is mixed, and sometimes it's pretty dark. Violence, displacement, 196 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 4: broken promises. All of that is part of our history, 197 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 4: and I don't dispute any of that. But moral wrongdoing 198 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 4: does not automatically negate sovereignty, because if it did, every 199 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 4: nation on this damn planet would be an illegitimate nation. 200 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 4: Borders everywhere are the product of conquest, of winning a battle, 201 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 4: winning a war, and then usually negotiation, succession, compromise. So 202 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 4: for Billie Eilish to single out California somehow uniquely stolen, 203 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 4: she's applying a standard that no historical sovereign nation could 204 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 4: ever meet. Now, this history is not frozen back in 205 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 4: the nineteenth century. Over the twentieth century, federal policy shifted 206 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 4: toward recognition restitution and self governance. The Rancheria Act of 207 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 4: nineteen fifty eight. Ah, never that, Michael, That's why you're 208 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: listening to me. It transferred land titles to thousands of 209 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 4: California Indians, converting federal trust lands into property owned by 210 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 4: both the tribes collectively and too many individuals. It wasn't 211 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 4: a gesture of guilt without substance. That's real assets, and 212 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 4: that became the foundation for many modern tribal enterprises, and 213 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 4: today dozens of California tribes they operate gaming and hospitality 214 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 4: businesses that generate billions in annual revenue, and those billions 215 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 4: fund schools, healthcare, housing, infrastructure. That's an expression of the 216 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 4: sovereignty that I'm talking about. That's not a relic a victimhood. 217 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 4: How can you claim they're victims when they're prospering the 218 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 4: way they are. 219 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: Now. 220 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 4: That's not to say that there are pockets of poverty. 221 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 4: That there are pockets of where based on our reservation 222 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 4: and based on mismanagement, say by the Bureau of Indian Affairs, 223 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 4: things are really bad. But those are individualized cases. What 224 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 4: I'm demonstrating is that the relationship between tribes and this 225 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 4: nation has been dynamic oftentimes contested, is always evolved. There's 226 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 4: not a single unresolved act of theft naming one, Miss Eilish, 227 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 4: Since you're so historically profoundly smart, so think about what 228 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 4: she said, No one is illegal on stolen land. That 229 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 4: completely collapses all of this into a single moral accusation. 230 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 4: It erases centuries of Indigenous conflict among the Indians themselves. 231 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 4: It ignores the treaties, the compensation, the legal succession, the 232 00:15:54,600 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 4: agency that they exercise in negotiating those treaties. Can treat 233 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 4: sovereignty as something that can only be lost and never acquired, 234 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 4: and reduce it Indigenous people's rhetorical props. Oh, and that's 235 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 4: exactly what she's doing too, just a prop used for 236 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 4: she's using it to condemn the present and denying the 237 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 4: utter complexity of their past. But there's something even deeper. 238 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 4: There's a deeper incoherence. If California's is stolen land in 239 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:37,359 Speaker 4: a way that nullifies all subsequent laws, then property itself 240 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 4: loses all, meaning ownership is just arbitrary. Vorters can dissolve 241 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 4: so to contracts. If the original wrong poisons everything that follows, 242 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 4: then no later arrangement can ever be legitimate, and that 243 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 4: conclusion is not radical justice. 244 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 2: That's nihilism, absolute nihilism. And what's ironic is that those 245 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 2: who repeat the slogan don't live by it. Do you 246 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 2: know that? 247 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 4: Like a lot of wealthy Californians, Billie Eilish has sought 248 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 4: restraining orders because she was to keep unwanted people off 249 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 4: her Malibu property. Oh wait a minute, So she asserts 250 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 4: exclusive control over her property, She calls the POPO to 251 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 4: enforce it, and she relies on the very legal system 252 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 4: whose legit legitimacy her slogan denies. If no one is 253 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 4: illegal on stolen land, on what basis is anyone excluded? Billy, 254 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 4: what right do you have to draw a boundary and 255 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 4: then say nothing else? And the same would apply to 256 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 4: intellectual property because she's a songwriter and a singer. If 257 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 4: songs are written on stolen land using stolen resources, what 258 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 4: grounds remain for an exclusive copyright to her songs? Why 259 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 4: should anyone be barred from reproducing, selling, or profiting from 260 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 4: those songs. If the past invalidates all of her present claims, 261 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 4: then everything belongs to everybody. Oh but maybe that's what 262 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 4: they really want. Maybe she's truly a Marxist or a 263 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 4: fascist at heart. Maybe she's a communist, because few who 264 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 4: chant slogans will never accept that conclusion. History is not 265 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 4: a morality tale that has permanent villains permanent victims. It's 266 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 4: a record of humans us under constraint. We're making choices, 267 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 4: we're committing wrongs, we're striking bargains, we're adapting, we're changing. 268 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 4: And California history is no exception. Land there has changed 269 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 4: by spear, by war, by battle, by treaty, by war, 270 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 4: by payment, by collapse, by consolidation, and to call that 271 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 4: entire process theft is pure stupid theater. 272 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: Michael, I'm going to tell you like you told me 273 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,239 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, sit down and shut up. 274 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm listening to your podcasts today from yesterday, and you said, 275 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: if we get moisture, you want it to be rain 276 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: instead of snow. That's a dumb ass thing to say, anyway, 277 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: Love you guys mean it. 278 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: But but why why? Why is that? 279 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 5: You? 280 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: See? This is what bugs me about these goobers, give. 281 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: Us, give us why why why? 282 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 4: I and I think I prefaced it by saying, I'm 283 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 4: sorry for the ski resorts, but I just prefer to 284 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 4: have you know, rain soaked highways instead of snow packed highways. 285 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, sure. Excuse me, well I'm talking to death. 286 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 2: But don't worry about it. 287 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: You get tampon for your throat probably so you know, 288 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 3: you don't make that kind of gesture. 289 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: Oh that. I didn't mean to do that. Oh my gosh, 290 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 2: I did not mean to do that. I was more thinking, like, 291 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: ah not. 292 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm the only one that saw it. Yes, 293 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 5: it was just gross. Yes, it was gross. It was gross. 294 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 5: I deeply apologized for what you did not see. The 295 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 5: mayor of New York City was in the news this morning. 296 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 5: New Yorker seemed to be a little pissed off that 297 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 5: they've had two weeks of feet and feet of snow 298 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 5: and it's now turned brown, ugly dirty, and it's not 299 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 5: getting cleared off, not getting cleared off. I forget which 300 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 5: mayor it was. Was it Washington mayor Washington? 301 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 4: Chicago that lost real one of the Chicago mayors lost 302 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 4: his reelection because he failed to clear the streets of Chicago. 303 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: Now you're stuck with mom Donnie for you know, another 304 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 4: but four years. So sucks to be a New Yorker. 305 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 4: But on top of snowpacked streets. He announced that he's 306 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 4: going to appoint a former Rikers Island inmate. Stanley rich 307 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 4: is his name. He's now going to be the head 308 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 4: of the Department of Corrections. He's going to be the 309 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 4: commissioner of the New York City Department of Corrections. I 310 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 4: guess he's had personal experience, right, he kind of knows 311 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 4: what it's like to be on the inside. He served 312 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 4: two and a half years on in Rikers back in 313 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties for robbery, before finishing four and a 314 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 4: half years of a nine year prison sentence elsewhere. So 315 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 4: he's got the you know, well, let's look at your resume. 316 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 4: What makes you qualify for this job. Well, I've been 317 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 4: a prisoner, yes, I armed robbery four and a half 318 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 4: years than nine years. 319 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: I've spent some time on the inside. That kind of 320 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: was like, oh good, you're hired. 321 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 4: It's the first time in the history of New York 322 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 4: that a former prisoner is holding the position of commissioner. 323 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 4: Of course, Richards becomes the latest far left ideologic ally 324 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 4: of Mom Donnie of Zoephram to be elevated to a 325 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 4: key city position, the mayor said during a news conference, 326 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 4: and now seeing the appointment that Stanley will make history 327 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 4: in this role as the first ever formally incarcerated person 328 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 4: to serve as commissioner. Let's think about that for a second. 329 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 4: What does the left always do what when they want 330 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 4: to make waves or they want to make, you know, 331 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 4: acclaim to fame, somebody's always got to be the first 332 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 4: in something. So they take someone who and I don't 333 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 4: think about this guy's qualifications, although he's done some other 334 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 4: stuff which I'll explain in a minute. But we're going 335 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 4: to make history because he's the first prisoner to ever 336 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 4: serve as commissioner. Okay, so that's what We're going to have, 337 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 4: the first member of the first president of the National 338 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 4: Association for the Advancement of Color People the NAACP. That 339 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 4: was a former you know, a grand Wizard of the KKK. 340 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 4: That'll be the first ever. Is that what we're trying 341 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 4: to accomplish here? The mayor says that achievement is not 342 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 4: merely symbolic. It is a testament to the thought and 343 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 4: leadership he will bring to every member of correction staff 344 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 4: and incarcerated New Yorkers underneath his purview. Wonderful you if 345 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 4: he got into a fight with a guard. I wonder 346 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 4: if you if smuggled any contraband into Rikers. I wonder 347 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 4: if you ever, you know, got you know, put in 348 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 4: solitary for a while, whatever, he ever had his privileges restricted. 349 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: Now. 350 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 4: Following his release from Rikers back in nineteen ninety one, 351 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 4: he started working as a counselor with something called the 352 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: Fortune Society. That's another nonprofit in an NGO that provides 353 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 4: housing and re entry assistance for ex cons. He eventually 354 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 4: rose to become the group's president and CEO. Okay, so 355 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 4: he's got some skills. Apparently he's a staunch far left 356 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 4: prison reform activist. Now it starts to come in through focus. 357 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 4: He advocates against incarceration policies that he claims are punishment oriented. What, okay, 358 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 4: we just convicted you of murder, rape, assault and battery, manslaughter, 359 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 4: terrorism charges, whatever, But we don't want to punish you. 360 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 4: We want to try to rehabilitate you. Now, I'm not 361 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 4: saying the rehabilitation should not be part of the correction systems, 362 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 4: because I think that it could. It's just that it 363 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 4: doesn't usually work out very well. Quote in his press 364 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 4: conference under Mayor Zophram's leadership. We will chart a path 365 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 4: of hope, healing and transfer, adding the mayor's administration made 366 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 4: clear that the future of Rikers Island is not endless confinement, 367 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 4: scapegoating or demonizing. 368 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 2: What's it going to be? Kumbaya now? He served. 369 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 4: In a similar capacity at a lower level before. Under 370 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 4: the Communist mayor Bill de Blasio. He served as the 371 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 4: first Deputy Commissioner of Programs and Operations at the Department 372 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 4: of Corrections. Then he served as the vice chairman of 373 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 4: the Border Corrections Task Force to close Rikers. Huh So 374 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 4: the guy that served as the vice chair of a 375 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 4: task force looking at how do we close Rikers Island 376 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 4: because we don't want to, you know, we don't want 377 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 4: to imprisoned prisoners. We don't imprison criminals. We just want 378 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 4: to put them in half way houses somewhere. Apparently it's 379 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 4: being viewed with caution by those whose job it is 380 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 4: to ensure public safety and security at Rikers and other 381 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 4: prison facilities. Winnie Bufio, president of the correction Officer's Benevolent Association, 382 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 4: sending a response to the Mayor's decision to tap Richards 383 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 4: for the commissioners position despite the many false narratives that 384 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 4: have portrayed the Correction Officer's Benevolent Association. 385 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 2: As an obstacle to reform. 386 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 4: We have always been ready, willing and able to meet 387 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 4: and work with anyone as long as they respect the 388 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 4: rights of our corrections officers and understand that their safety 389 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 4: and security matter. The jails cannot and will not operate 390 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 4: and will not operate as safely as possible if the 391 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 4: concerns of our members are brushed aside. It is our 392 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 4: hope that mister Richards understands that dynamic and he takes 393 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 4: on this new role and demonstrates a commitment to putting 394 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 4: safety and security before any political ideology. 395 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 2: Well that's a. 396 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 4: Non starter, mister President of the Benevolent Association. He was 397 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 4: picked primarily for his political ideology, not in spite of 398 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 4: his political ideology. What's interesting is in his position as commissioner, 399 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 4: he won't have that much authority over Rikers because apparently 400 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 4: Rikers has been under a federal oversight consent decree for 401 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 4: at least the past ten years, and in last spring, 402 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 4: a federal district Judge, Laura Taylor Swain, appointed Nicholas Bimmel, 403 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 4: a former CIA officer and head of the Vermont Corrections 404 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 4: Department chief as the federal monitor oversea rikers, granting him 405 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 4: much of the authority and duties previously held by the 406 00:27:53,040 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 4: city appointed commissioner. Performative politics. Now I can claim, as 407 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 4: the mayor would like to claim that I've appointed the 408 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 4: first ex con to head the Department of Corrections and 409 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 4: to oversee rikers. Oh, he was also the vice chair 410 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 4: of the commission to oversee a task force to try 411 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 4: to close down rikers, probably because of the consent decree. 412 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 4: And now it's just performative politics because he has no 413 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 4: real authority. There's already a federal oversight board that is 414 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 4: overseeing rikers. 415 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 2: So he's going to. 416 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 4: Get paid a boatload of money and not really have 417 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 4: to do anything. And by the way, this hour's chance 418 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 4: to win that thousand bucks is coming up in the 419 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 4: next five minutes thanks to Mercedes Bens of littleto Mercedes 420 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 4: of Littleton dot com. 421 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 3: Does that uber knows that you don't have to show 422 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 3: rain fiche? 423 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 4: Well the truth finally comes out, assuming that this is 424 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 4: the right goober, uh fifty one forty three, Mike, I 425 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 4: do snow move? Well, come on, I'm not winning your 426 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 4: microphone unplugged. Well, there's at least one that doesn't win 427 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 4: it unplugged. That's that's not bad. Out of you know, 428 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 4: a jury of twelve, we got one that's voting not 429 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 4: to acquit, I mean not to convict, so they have 430 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 4: hung jury. I can last another hour and a half, 431 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 4: so good news. Are you still bleeding back there? You 432 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 4: used to have a stupid tamp on your nose? What 433 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 4: are you still bleeding back there? 434 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: I'm actually kind of getting worried about you. Or do 435 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: you find it oddly weirdly comfortable? 436 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 3: It's a fashion trend a couple of years. Everybody's gonna 437 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 3: have tampons in the nose. I'm just ahead of curve. 438 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 3: Why don't you do a selfie? Put it up at 439 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 3: Michael says go here dot com. There's already one at 440 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 3: the Ko's instagram page. 441 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: I don't care about that. I care about Michael says 442 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: go here dot com. 443 00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 3: I'll take the one from Ko's instagram. 444 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's fine, that's fine. I think people need 445 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 4: to see you with tampon in your nose. I just 446 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 4: find that disconcerting. It's because you don't realize how much 447 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 4: you move your head and every time I look up, 448 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 4: it's like I see this white thing. 449 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 3: Just a guy who's constantly waving his arms around. 450 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 4: But it's not like I have on pink nail polish 451 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 4: or you know, fluorescent nail polish or anything, so you 452 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 4: don't see like the flashing lights everywhere. 453 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: Maybe I'll do that fluorescent nail polish. I'll do that. 454 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 4: I have no idea if I'm gonna read this with that. Okay, 455 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 4: here we go eighty three fifteen writes. Do you recall 456 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 4: a TV show from the early eighties called Hill Street Blues? 457 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 2: I do. I don't remember much about it, but I 458 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 2: do remember the drama. 459 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 4: It was a peace show, and on one particular episode, 460 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 4: it dealt with a rehabilitated criminal that they were trying 461 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 4: to upture for committing multiple crimes, including murder. 462 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: In the end, the criminal. 463 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 4: Isasa to shootout with the popo. On the show, one 464 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 4: of the officers is heard to say, as he is 465 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 4: looking down at the body, now he's rehabilitated. Yes, people 466 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 4: can change and be rehabilitated, but sadly, most folks who 467 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 4: are serving time for serious crimes will not change on 468 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 4: a permanent basis, only enough to be able to get 469 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 4: out that's probably true and politically incorrect to say, because 470 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 4: the mayor wants to appoint a former inmate to run 471 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 4: the doc sixty six to ninety six Rights Mike. I 472 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 4: saw the Milania movie on Friday. I highly recommend it. 473 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 4: I'm just reading this to irritate Gubman Ormer sixty one 474 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 4: seventeen or whatever it is. I saw them Malania movie 475 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 4: on Friday, and I highly recommend it. Very interesting and 476 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 4: informative about the passing of the torch from one administration 477 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 4: to the other. Also, our first Lady is such a 478 00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 4: class act. 479 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 2: Huh. Let's see. 480 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 4: Now, let's see forty four to sixty seven. Now, New 481 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 4: York City could use rain because it will melt the snow. 482 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 4: I saw that in some parts in one of the boroughs, 483 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 4: they actually have these gigantic dumpster looking devices that melt 484 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 4: the snow. So they take the piles of snow and 485 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 4: they take these graters and you know for not forklifts 486 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 4: but front end loaders, and they dump the snow in 487 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 4: and it melts and just drains out into the into 488 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 4: the gutter. H twelve forty seven Rites tell me the 489 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 4: general population has never read a single paragraph about prehistory. 490 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 4: Slavery isn't a modern concept slavery. Slavery evolved right alongside 491 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 4: modern man. 492 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 2: Huh you think so. 493 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 4: You think Billie Eilish doesn't understand anything about you can't 494 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 4: be illegal on stolen land. And this is a great 495 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 4: point because I just got my property tax bill yesterday. 496 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,959 Speaker 4: Michael says, ninety seven ninety eight. If it is stolen land, 497 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 4: why don't we pay property tax? 498 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. 499 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 4: I don't think we should. Let's just all stop paying 500 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 4: property taxes.