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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show. You like it, you

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Speaker 1: love it, you want more of it. You can follow

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Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Mark Madden x. I consider myself

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Speaker 1: to be tough but fair. If you listen to what

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Speaker 1: I just said about the Steelers and TJ. Watt, you

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Speaker 1: detected no lies. Seriously, you look at this game. It

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Speaker 1: has the anticipatory feeling of a public execution. Andy leads

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Speaker 1: the NFL in points per game, number three in offensive

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Speaker 1: yards per game, number six in rushing yards per game,

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Speaker 1: number six in passing yards per game, and have four

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Speaker 1: legitimate stars on offense. And the Steelers rank third from

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Speaker 1: bottom in total defense and very obviously stink on that

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Speaker 1: side of the ball. So we can keep talking about

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Speaker 1: the Steelers all day long as you are wont to

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Speaker 1: want me to do. Or we can talk about the

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Speaker 1: World Series. Toronto wins six to two, even as the

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Speaker 1: series it will go back to Toronto.

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Speaker 2: Ohtani got his ass kicked.

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Speaker 1: People said he was tired from the eighteen inning game,

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Speaker 1: like he was the only guy who played eighteen innings

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Speaker 1: the night before. Or we could talk about the chaos

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Speaker 1: of that hockey game. Two goals in overtime, both waved

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Speaker 1: off and correctly so a fight at the end of overtime,

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Speaker 1: Sid left the bench just kind of caused the game

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Speaker 1: was over, but he peripherally joined in the scrum was

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Speaker 1: thus ineligible for the shootout and could get suspended for

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Speaker 1: ten games.

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Speaker 2: That's the rule.

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Speaker 1: You leave the bench to participate in an altercation, you're

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Speaker 1: automatically suspended for ten games.

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Speaker 2: But I bet he's not. Shilloffs in goal.

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Speaker 1: Was very good in regulation, in and overtime, but he

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Speaker 1: allowed two out of three goals in the shootout after

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Speaker 1: allowing three goals in the shootout Saturday night when the

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Speaker 1: Penguins lost to Columbus ATVPG. And you can't lose every

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Speaker 1: shootout if you're a borderline playoff team, I would say,

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Speaker 1: like I always preached, when Flurry would happen to be

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Speaker 1: you should stick him in.

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Speaker 2: He's the superior shootout goalie.

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Speaker 1: But the Penguins aren't spoiled for choice there because Shilloffs

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Speaker 1: stinks at shootouts.

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Speaker 2: That's a tongue twister.

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Speaker 1: Shill Off stinks and shootouts by the seashore, and Jari

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Speaker 1: stinks at shootouts as well. On the bright side, that's

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Speaker 1: points in seven straight games. But you lost to the

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Speaker 1: biggest jerkoffs in the world, and they got a new

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Speaker 1: chief jerkoff in Zigris who is one hundred percent pew sillanimous.

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Speaker 1: But he takes a poke at at chari when a

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Speaker 1: Chari was down on the ice. When did this guy

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Speaker 1: pure pucellanimous, Gina got stupid, left the bench early, Onder

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Speaker 1: delayed penalty to degate what would have been his game

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Speaker 1: winning goal a overtime and made a dumb turnover and

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Speaker 1: overtime that led to him taking a hooking penalty, but

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Speaker 1: Sid scored. I'll take the point. It really was a

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Speaker 1: frozen frenzy. But that seven to two and two record

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Speaker 1: is starting to flatter to deceive just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Brunet got scratched for third straight game in four excuse me,

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Speaker 1: to junior, although that's not what I would do. Like

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Speaker 1: I said yesterday, if you send him don or kindle

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Speaker 1: don there deservedly in the lineup most nights, and you'd

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Speaker 1: eliminate that youthful energy and the elimination of staleness that

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Speaker 2: This team so much.

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Speaker 1: Right now, it's the kids dressing room with Sid kind

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Speaker 1: dressing room, and that just shouldn't happen. Hey, there's a

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Speaker 1: like that, not least at four o'clock when I am

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Speaker 1: joined by the aforementioned Ben Kay, eighteen year old prodigy

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Speaker 1: His mom and dad were both pro soccer players, so

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Speaker 1: I will ask him who his favorite soccer team is.

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Speaker 1: And as we know, that's a pretty important question around

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Speaker 1: these parts, there's really only one answer. Oh. In the

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Speaker 1: Steelers got Kyle Dugger from New England. I mentioned that,

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Speaker 1: Got dropped from their lineup, dropped down the depth chart.

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Speaker 1: How good could he really be? They got Peppers from

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Speaker 1: getting this guy's like a butterfly stitch on a shotgun wound.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Dougla is okay, He's probably a bum And New

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Speaker 1: England is paying most of Dougger's remaining salary, so New

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Speaker 2: This is Jonah Hill from Moneyball.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how bad you want to get rid of

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Speaker 1: It's hard to look at this Steeler game Sunday is

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Speaker 1: does Dugger giant right in a play with Elliott out?

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Speaker 1: This likely precludes this acquisition, likely precludes Ramsey playing safety,

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Speaker 1: which is too outside the box for Tom Went anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't understand that Ramsey should be playing

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Speaker 3: typical acquisition would play in his first game with his

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Speaker 3: Elliott's out desperation, Yeah, and I mean I know I'm desperate.

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Speaker 3: He'll be able to help and run support and they're

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Speaker 1: Am I right to say that? There's no way to

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Speaker 1: imagine this game not being a in favor of India.

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Speaker 3: I can't. I can't imagine it. And you know that

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Speaker 3: old trick that people were doing last week and I

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Speaker 3: was guilty of it. Of Oh, you know, this is

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Speaker 3: the Mike Tomlin bounce back. Just when you think he's

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Speaker 3: on the ropes. It's like Rocky Balboa. He fights his

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Speaker 3: There's just no way I see that happening in this game.

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Speaker 3: It's the worst matchup you could possibly have.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the worst matchup you could have, particularly

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Speaker 1: at this juncture of this season, after what happened in

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Speaker 3: They just flattened teams. It's an offensive line that just

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Speaker 3: fires off the ball, puts you in the dirt. And

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor's the best running back, best player in football

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Speaker 3: right now, He's gonna win the Offensive Player of the

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Speaker 3: Year running away with it.

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Speaker 1: One of the Steelers lose by thirty, what will local

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Speaker 1: because the national media is starting to turn definitely starting

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Speaker 1: to turn on the defense, more so yet than Tomlin.

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Speaker 3: in the direction that it's already heading. Obviously, more so

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Speaker 3: if you have that thirty point blowout lost second straight

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Speaker 3: I know the Packer game wasn't a thirty point blow up.

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Speaker 3: The second half might as well have been. It was

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Speaker 3: a flattening. It might have been an omen for what

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Speaker 1: You know what's gonna happen. Your prediction is gonna come true.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be six and six, and so will Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: When when the Ravens and Steelers played December seventh, a

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Speaker 1: day that will live in infamy.

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Speaker 3: So that means the Steelers the ones that are like.

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Speaker 2: Day that will live in infamy.

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Speaker 3: The logical wins for the Steelers there are home against

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Speaker 3: those in no way, shape or form locks, though right

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Speaker 3: now I mean a road game in Chicago. They I

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Speaker 3: think in Chicago. First of all, Oh, they'll be beat

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Speaker 3: at least take care of the Bengals at home. What

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Speaker 3: Joe Flacco's coming into town?

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Speaker 1: I told former peng Was vice president and noted historian

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Speaker 1: and author Tom McMillan about the day that will live

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Speaker 1: in infamy line which I used yesterday about the December

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Speaker 1: seventh game and twice again today by way of trying

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Speaker 2: And he said, you know, there's no way most people

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Speaker 3: I know it went over my head at very first

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Speaker 3: when you said it, And honestly, the only reason I

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Speaker 3: got it is probably because I'm hanging around you so much.

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Speaker 1: A day that will live in infamy? You reiterate what

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Speaker 1: I said yesterday. I'm concentrated on taking Tyler Warren out

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Speaker 1: least narrowed down Indy's weaponry.

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Speaker 2: And Ben had a great idea. By the way, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna play that sound bite.

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Speaker 1: He said, play Ramsey in the slot, but man him

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Speaker 2: I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: Ramsey isn't fast enough to stay with the Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 1: there would be a size differential, Ramsey is adequately physical.

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Speaker 3: He's very physical. I think he's good in run support too,

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Speaker 3: which would also feed into Ben's theory of sticking him

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Speaker 3: in the slot more. He can help there against Jonathan Taylor.

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Speaker 3: But sure, I would love to take away Tyler Warren

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Speaker 3: and I guess Ramsey's the best bet to do that.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, Tyler Warren's the best tight end in football.

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Speaker 3: has a say in that. That's easier said than done,

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Speaker 3: especially with this defense. The inside backers are so bad.

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Speaker 3: They were supposed to be able to cover everybody, right,

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Speaker 3: they get torched every game.

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Speaker 2: Think about this.

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Speaker 1: Ben came up with the best idea I've heard for

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Speaker 1: the Steeler defense then i've seen put in action by

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Speaker 1: either Tomlin or Taro Austin.

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Speaker 3: Everybody always wanted them to be the offensive coordinator, like

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Speaker 3: when Matt Canada got fired, Maybe he should be the

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Speaker 2: You stole my line for later one oh five to

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Speaker 1: X Big Soccer Day today, Liverpool hosting Crystal Palace and

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Speaker 1: the Caraball Cup. Despite recent struggles, I maintained the faith

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Speaker 1: because I'm a real fan. I would not sell my

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Speaker 1: ticket to a Green Bay Packers fan. And don't forget

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Speaker 1: the River Hans open up USL Playoff action. Tickets available now,

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Speaker 1: so check it out. It's always a great atmosphere. I

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Speaker 1: think there's been eight straight home sellouts at Highmark for

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Speaker 1: the River Hans, but tickets are still available, so go

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Speaker 1: see the River Hauns play. I think it's hard for

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Speaker 1: the athletic in a single game elimination first run of

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Speaker 1: the USL Playoffs. It's hard to look at this Steeler

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Speaker 1: game Sunday's anything but a mindless slaughter. I've been saying that,

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Speaker 1: you know, repeatedly since we got on air, unless this

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Speaker 1: Dugger solves everything at safety like Peppers did, like Chuck

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Speaker 1: Clark did, like Thornhill did. Actually I repeated something I

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, come on, you really think Dougger

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Speaker 2: I mean, with Elliott Odd, I get it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'll be honest about what's gonna happen, which is

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Speaker 1: Do you think Rogers knows yet that Tom was incompetent?

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Speaker 3: He can do that to Sid and he get on whatever.

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Speaker 3: Is there a non zero I think his goal was

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Speaker 1: Right, Like like I said earlier, Tom two, if you're

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Speaker 1: it's seven to two, why wouldn't it be like Tom,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'd hate to be cliche and always go

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Speaker 3: And we're there, Mark, we're a couple of weeks away

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Speaker 1: If you're in the playoff spot at New Year's there's

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Speaker 3: You can't lose every shootout. And Mark on the last

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Speaker 2: Start. Nobody poke checks. I always don't poke check.

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 2: Good to try if he scores or not, who cares?

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Speaker 1: Uh, Penglins have been out shot in four straight games now,

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean everything, Tom, but it doesn't mean nothing.

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Speaker 1: I've been mostly happy with the goalies outside of Shiloff's

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Speaker 1: Because at that point, she loves Njari, you have done

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Speaker 1: You know what I do If I'm used, I tell

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Speaker 3: Well, the first part of what you said, Miroshov ripping

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Speaker 1: I really believe he's a superstar goalie, not like I

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Speaker 1: The Liverpool in the League Cup today, playing the equivalent

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Speaker 1: of the Pirates Sunday lineup. Let's see how that works out.

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Speaker 1: It's only the League Cup, but still you hate to lose,

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Speaker 1: especially as we've been losing. Tom uh last night World

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Speaker 1: Series game. Otani pitts for La last night and got

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Speaker 1: his ass kicked, and Toronto even the series. Not an

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Speaker 1: indictment of Otani by any means. Toronto has some good bats,

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Speaker 1: Laddie had a big shot and it is the World Series.

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Speaker 1: But the excuse I saw is Otani was tired for

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Speaker 1: the night before the eighteen inning game. Okay, well, why

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Speaker 1: it was just Otani tired? Everybody else played eight innings

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Speaker 1: the night before too, not just Otani. And he was

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Speaker 1: only the d eighth, yes, so he should have been

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Speaker 1: less tired, exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking too. Like this guy, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's you know, focused in and those at bats are

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Speaker 3: really intense moments. But he walked five times. At the

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Speaker 3: end of that game, he got a free pass to

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Speaker 3: first base and he's just sitting on the bench from it.

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Speaker 2: But it does put him on the base pass to

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Speaker 2: run though.

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Speaker 3: And I remember he got caught stealing too when he

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Speaker 3: tried to do that the first intentional walk. It was great.

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Speaker 3: He can't pull off the back. This is a great

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Speaker 3: world series, Mark like, it has been awesome. I love it.

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Speaker 3: It's the best of three right now. Otani had his

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Speaker 3: big moments. I'm glad it's going back to Toronto. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Tawny had his awesome make the heart's broken in person,

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Speaker 3: and then uh, Guerrero's hitting his big shot off of Otani.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, the storylines are just amazing. The international

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Speaker 3: Canada versus the LA I think that aspect's pretty cool

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Speaker 3: to it. I think this has been in a fantastic

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Speaker 3: world series.

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Speaker 1: How can Lady Guerrero go in the postgame show and

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Speaker 1: still mostly be speaking broken English? I mean, his dad

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Speaker 1: played in the Majors, he spent his whole life here.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised he's not speaking French since he was up

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Speaker 3: in Montreal for all those years. What's a good call? Uh, okay,

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Speaker 3: who's gonna win the World Series?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: I still think the Dodgers are gonna win the World

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Speaker 3: Series because now the pitching rotation turns back over again.

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Speaker 3: After they went to Otani. Yeah, Blake Snell, you're gonna

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Speaker 3: get Snell, and you're gonna get Yamamoto. Who Yamamoto?

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Speaker 1: Mark?

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Speaker 3: I mean, he should be your favorite pitcher. The dude

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Speaker 3: just goes nine innings every single time he's out there.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna know.

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Speaker 1: Dave Roberts is my favorite manager because he's managing to

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Speaker 1: win and not just by rote, not just by what

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Speaker 1: every other manager does in every other situation.

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Speaker 3: And you know what, I know, it was only six

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Speaker 3: innings last night, and Otani kind of got beaten in

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Speaker 3: that sixth inning. The two of his four earned runs

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Speaker 3: were there and then two on the Vladio home on earlier.

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Speaker 3: But Roberts was letting him go a little bit longer,

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Speaker 3: like they probably could have pulled him before that sixth

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Speaker 3: inning and probably would have in a normal Otani start,

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Speaker 3: but I think he was going to lean into him

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Speaker 3: more and say, keep us in this game on the mound.

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Speaker 3: Roberts is great, but it's back to back complete games

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Speaker 3: in the playoffs, so that has to have been a

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Speaker 3: long time since that happened.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I picked La to win because I just want, you know,

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Speaker 1: Canada to never win at any sport ever again. But

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Speaker 1: I probably underestimated the Blue Jays in the harsh glare

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Speaker 1: of Otani. What do you mean, like well, like like

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Speaker 1: Otani is such the story. I just figured, Okay, he's

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Speaker 1: on the Dodgers, they'll win.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I got what I mean, like the Blue Jays,

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Speaker 3: underestimating them as a team almost although they did start.

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Speaker 3: Was I k f in the lineup last night. He's

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Speaker 3: in the lineup every night.

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Speaker 2: That's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's been like clean up for them that and that

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Speaker 1: shows why the Pirates just blow.

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Speaker 3: He's protection from Vladimir Guerrero Junior in the World Series.

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Speaker 1: And we couldn't get nothing, nothing out of him. You

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Speaker 1: know why, because he came here and his spirit got broken.

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Speaker 1: I remember the remember the quote from him last year.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't anything like I thought it would be.

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Speaker 3: You've noted several times while he was here that he's

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Speaker 3: one of the few professional hitters that they had, and

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Speaker 3: he started the season hitting close to three hundred. I

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Speaker 3: think for the first couple of months, and I think

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Speaker 3: what you said, he just got it beaten out of him.

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Speaker 1: That the team just sucks so and they kept batdam

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Speaker 1: night Yeah, No matter what he did, they kept batdam

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Speaker 1: Knight exactly.

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Speaker 3: So that was bs honestly, good for him, good for

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Speaker 3: Glass now, and good for all these guys that prove

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Speaker 3: that they're not bombs. It's the pirates that are the bombs.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Did you see Paul Skean just doing a charity endorsement

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Speaker 1: with Cane's chicken fingers?

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Speaker 2: I like Skeins more and more.

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Speaker 3: I did not see that, but that's a great endorsement.

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Speaker 3: What's the what's the catch there?

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Speaker 2: I think it's veterans?

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Speaker 3: Is he just on the I want to.

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Speaker 2: Make an announcement right here.

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Speaker 1: Remember I called skins and cheap skate, Yes, when he

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Speaker 1: spoke at that charity fundraiser for what volunteer fireman? Right, Neil,

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Speaker 1: you have one thousand bucks. I'd like to say right now,

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Speaker 1: Paul Skeins, if you're listening, and I know you are,

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Speaker 1: I will donate a thousand bucks to this charity if

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Speaker 1: you come on the show. And all we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about is Cane's chicken fingers.

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Speaker 2: Not great. They are there, so they're so good, that's

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Speaker 2: all we have to talk about.

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Speaker 3: Is he gonna be in commercials?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: Is that? What the deal is. I hope he Jane's

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Speaker 3: commercials not a very charismatic fellow though, so I don't

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Speaker 3: know how he doing commercials. He's boring, isn't He's very

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Speaker 3: you know what?

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Speaker 1: Though, I think that serves him well pitching for that

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Speaker 1: sinking ship of a franchise, because if you, if you

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Speaker 1: were too emotional, God, you just you'd have a noose

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Speaker 1: hanging in your locker.

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Speaker 3: That's very fair. I wish he'd have a little bit

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Speaker 3: more emotion, a little bit more outspoken nature to him though,

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Speaker 3: about what's going on with this team, because he can

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Speaker 3: he might.

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Speaker 1: Yet the Pirates had a new pitching coach. Can he

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Speaker 1: screw up skins in chand Or?

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Speaker 3: That's quite the challenge, and maybe Chandler will give him

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Speaker 3: the time of day. There's no way Skeens listens to

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Speaker 3: anybody in that organization, right.

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Speaker 2: I hope not.

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Speaker 3: There's no way he does. Skeans just does his thing.

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Speaker 3: He goes out there, he does his routine and follows

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Speaker 3: his scouting report. He does his own stuff. I'm almost guaranteeing.

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Speaker 1: I would just let him pitch like he wants to pitch.

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Speaker 1: Probably Bubba too. I think I would watch him like

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Speaker 1: I'd go over video with him and I try to

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Speaker 1: fine tune. But in terms of if it came down

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Speaker 1: to one guy making the decision, I would let the pitcher,

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Speaker 1: not the pitching coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, like with someone like a Bubba, I

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Speaker 3: would maybe be a little bit more on him as

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Speaker 3: far as like, you're this pitch works really well for

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Speaker 3: you here, and like kind of fine tune him there

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Speaker 3: and kind of let him kind of guide his path

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Speaker 3: is to whin I can use this pitch off of

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Speaker 3: that pitch. But Skeens already knows all of that stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's what's so impressive about Skeen. It's not the velocity

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Speaker 3: and it's not just the crazy stuff. He knows how

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Speaker 3: to compliment all of his pitches. He knows when to

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Speaker 3: use them.

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Speaker 1: The only worry I've ever had about him is I

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Speaker 1: think sometimes he tries to expand his repertoire too much,

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Speaker 1: like like Rick Vaughn in Major League two. But but

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Speaker 1: you know, but he knows when to go to his

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Speaker 1: bread and butter. He knows when to emphasize what's working,

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Speaker 1: and he recognizes what's working.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of baseball, I love that you used the moneyball

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Speaker 3: reference when you were talking about Kyle Dugger earlier in

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Speaker 3: saw that report that the Patriots were picking up most

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Speaker 3: Billy being conversation from him.

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Speaker 1: You know, you know what, you know what. The Steelers

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Speaker 1: true believers are saying. He's a real good player, but

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Speaker 1: Vrabel is just giving up on some guys that aren't his.

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Speaker 1: First off, he just got there, so how many of

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Speaker 1: those guys are really his? And second off, Pepper's didn't

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Speaker 1: work out so good, did he?

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Speaker 3: May so he would qualify as not likeables.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers true believers trying to paint a picture where

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Speaker 1: something happens beside the Steelers getting folded, spindled and mutilated

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Speaker 1: by Indianapolis on Sunday. And if that does happen, if

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Speaker 1: they get a better result than I'm expecting, it won't

659
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: be because a freaking dugger.

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Speaker 3: And to riff off the moneyball thing a little bit

661
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 3: more like the Patriots are paying him to go to

662
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Speaker 3: the Steelers. If the division doesn't work out for the Steelers,

663
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Speaker 3: they're paying him to play for a direct competitor who

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Speaker 3: already has a win over them when it comes to

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Speaker 3: the AFC wild Card. They don't fear Kyle Duggar's impact

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Speaker 3: at all. And the Steelers are a team that matters

667
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Speaker 3: when it comes to the Patriots in their playoffs standing.

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Speaker 1: The New York Yankees are paying you to play against them,

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Speaker 1: that's what they think of you.

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Speaker 2: Dj Okay, Billy, what are you getting at?

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Speaker 3: I love that movie so much, all time baseball movie,

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Speaker 3: even though they did your boy art how so dirty?

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00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, shaler Grad more famous than me, one of the few.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, it's a movie, so wee have to like, Well,

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Speaker 3: what do.

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Speaker 1: You think was the biggest It's a great movie, and

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Speaker 1: movies have misrepresentations. I'd watch that movie if it was

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Speaker 1: on right now during the show at the expense of

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Speaker 1: the show, much like a Liverpool game coming up at

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Speaker 1: three forty five.

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Speaker 2: But but, uh, what do you think was the biggest

684
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: misrepresentation of Moneyball?

685
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: That they didn't show you how good the staff was

686
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Speaker 3: for the A's and players like Miguel Tahada were never

687
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: highlighted like they had studs on that team. It wasn't

688
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: just you know the Hadibergs.

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Speaker 1: Well, Art said that because I was very honored because

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Speaker 1: I really like Art and he he did two media

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Speaker 1: appearances to kind of deny Moneyball, and this show was

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Speaker 1: one of them.

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Speaker 2: I really like Art, but.

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Speaker 1: He didn't want you know he said, he said on

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Speaker 1: the show. I forget what his exact verbiage was. He

696
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Speaker 1: didn't want to appear like a baby. You know what

697
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: I mean? Because he said, Philip Seymour Hoppin's a great actor.

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00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm honored he portrayed me. They just didn't really get

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00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: it right. You know what else true, Philip Seemore Hoffin

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Speaker 1: came off as kind of frumpy because Phillip Semore Hoffman,

701
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, God bless him, was kind of frumpy. Art

702
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: was a great athlete. You know what Art did at tailor.

703
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: Art was playing in a baseball game at the old

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00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: high school. I'm mot royal rain delay. Okay, rain stops

705
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: while they're fixing the field, like putting sawdust on and stuff.

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00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: There's a track meet right next to baseball game. Art

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00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: goes over wins the hundred yard dash during a break

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Speaker 1: in the baseball game.

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00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: Okay, true story.

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00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 3: Okay, now that's better than like Dion's double play, like

711
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: that thirty for thirty playing in the baseball game and

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00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: then the football game. He did another sporting event in

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00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: the middle of a sporting event. That can't be done again.

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Speaker 2: You hit the nail on the head.

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Speaker 1: Though. The biggest misrepresentation besides how Art was portrayed, actually

716
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Speaker 1: is probably even bigger.

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Speaker 2: And Art said it.

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Speaker 1: He said, we had three of the best, arguably ten

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Speaker 1: starting pitchers in baseball, and they were barely mentioned or

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Speaker 1: portrayed in the entire movie. And that's why we won.

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Speaker 1: He said, it wasn't me, it wasn't Moneyball, it was

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Speaker 1: who wasn't.

723
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Speaker 3: Hudson, Zeno, Moltar and Hudson.

724
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just three stunts.

725
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 3: They were unbelievable. And then there was one shot where

726
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 3: you see like Tata's name on the back of his jersey.

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00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: We got the Hoda was an MVP level player going

728
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: to Baltimore. I think he did win an MVP there.

729
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: And like and like, there's a thing where Billy Beans

730
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: tells guys not to steal bases. There's no percentages in it.

731
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: They were among the league leaders and stolen bases at

732
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: you still bases all the time. But but but The

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00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: idea of the movie was to get across the concept

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Speaker 1: of moneyball.

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Speaker 3: And did our hell when he was talking to you,

736
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Speaker 3: was he like me and Billy had a relationship that

737
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: was good. He was a good working relationship like Billy.

738
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Speaker 3: Didn't over manage me or tell me when he They.

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Speaker 2: Say, this is so many words.

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Speaker 1: But the thing where he just left cause of money

741
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: because the Mets paid more, that's true. I don't blame him,

742
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: that's sure true. No, h okay, don't forget. We have

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Speaker 1: Ben Kendall, the Penguins rookie at four o'clock. We have

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Speaker 1: the course you on some time before that, right three thirty.

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Speaker 1: And you know I can't wait because the course he's

746
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: a big Tomlin guy. Oh yeah, gonna be a rumble.

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Speaker 1: One oh five nine the X.

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Speaker 4: It's The Woody Show week mornings at six Yeah, one.

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Speaker 1: That's the show. The pregame show brought to us play

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Speaker 1: our good friend, Schendorova, Schendrovitch and Fisherman, the personal injury experts.

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Speaker 1: They got your back, not your wallet, Tom. What do

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Speaker 1: we got today for the red hot as always, trifecta.

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Speaker 3: For today's trifecta, I've got three things that really just

756
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: sucked about that Penguins game last night. Aside from of

757
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: course losing to those bastards in Philadelphia.

758
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: Losing to the old enemy.

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Speaker 3: Number three for me is actually very game specific. I

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Speaker 3: really hated how they didn't change on the power play

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00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: in overtime, that it was just sid Gino, Carlson.

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Speaker 2: And Ross all the time.

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Speaker 3: That was towards the end of the power play, though,

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Speaker 3: I would have liked to throw some fresh guys on

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Speaker 3: the ice, especially when it's a four on three. Yes,

766
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Speaker 3: that's what I was thinking. Maybe Kendall and Coyven and

767
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Speaker 3: just get some speed out there when it's four on three,

768
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Speaker 3: I would have liked. It's it's nitpicky, but I think

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Speaker 3: I would have liked to see that. Number two is

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Speaker 3: the ESPN play by playbox when they were in the

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Speaker 3: shootout and how you had to watch the Dallas and

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Speaker 3: watch the game.

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Speaker 1: Because they were doing the Frozen Frenzy with all thirty

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00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: two teams playing bad and they didn't want to miss

775
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: out on Yeah, bad for us, I understand.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't understand. That's not how any other sport

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00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: does it? Like if college football games run over, the

778
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: other game goes on the ESPN News or something like that,

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00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: and then they'll switch whenever the game ends. Who was

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00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: playing in the other game Colorado and no was Washington

781
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: in Dallas?

782
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: Ob I mean, I get it.

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Speaker 3: It's Sid in the Penguins versus the Flyers. I would

784
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 3: prefer not, but I get it. But Number one has

785
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: you know, you know where they blow with the with

786
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 3: the frozen frenzy. They should have like on the NHL

787
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 3: network or wherever. They should have their version of red Zone.

788
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: Every time there's a Frozen Friends show, Goals goals goals.

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Speaker 2: Is I don't know.

790
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: Is this the only frozen frenzy of the year.

791
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: I think there's four.

792
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 3: They need to be even more than that.

793
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: They need to be on weekends when people can watch

794
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Speaker 1: the afternoons and whatnot.

795
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 3: Start the staggered start at like one or noon. Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: I think that'd be such.

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Speaker 1: Or you can do one of those deals like where

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Speaker 1: you have a game in Stockholm or whatever nine like

799
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Speaker 1: at eleven.

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00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: Am right? But Number one the thing that sucked the

801
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 3: most has to be Trevor's egress. Now he's the new

802
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: public enemy number one when it comes to flyers, And

803
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: wasn't he a part of the cutter go tier deal

804
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: when Goti went out there? Then they send Zegres to Philly.

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00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, he might have been a free agent.

806
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, if he was a part of

807
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: that deal, how perfect would that be for one guy

808
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: who hated the flyers lead.

809
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: No, he's in. He's not my most hated flyer ever

810
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 1: because that covers a lot of gravity. He is a

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00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: bitch with a capital C currently though speaking, I don't

812
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: know who is. And it kind of was kind of

813
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: getting dry there as far as like a hatable flyer

814
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: because they were just such a team and nothing team.

815
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Speaker 3: But now we got one with Zegres.

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Speaker 1: Well, and the worst part of that whole deal was

817
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Speaker 1: like if a Chari's not prone on the ice, face

818
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: down and Secres goes over and accost him, a charge

819
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Speaker 1: just rips him the shreds.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's not even close in a fight.

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Speaker 3: That's why you're saying, you're like surprised that Zegris kind

822
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Speaker 3: of showed that kind of balls right, like you never

823
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Speaker 3: thought he had it in You know what, though.

824
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Speaker 1: Sometimes people get that jersey on you know what I mean,

825
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: Like it used to be the opposite with the Penguins.

826
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Speaker 1: We would have guys come that were tough, and when

827
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: they came to Pittsburgh they thought there were hockey players.

828
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Speaker 3: Seriously, like Jimmy Mann who broke Paul Gardner's jaw.

829
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: Paul Gardner was one of our power play guys when

830
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: when EJ reinvented the power play in the early eighties,

831
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Speaker 1: Guard scored thirty power play goals in the year. Think

832
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: about that and Jimmy Mann sucker punched him as broke

833
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Speaker 1: his jaw. Then a couple of years later we pick

834
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Speaker 1: up Jimmy Mann and he thought he could play hockey.

835
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: That kind of started happening towards the end of the

836
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: Mike Sullivan era too, with some of these guys that

837
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 3: they'd bring in, like they just tried to play join

838
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 3: the circus with Did.

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Speaker 1: You see Rempy's hurt the Goon in New York? No,

840
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: which I bet Selly's happy with that he doesn't have

841
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: to play him anymore. Wouldn't want to play him anyway.

842
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: I bet Selly got there and the first thing they

843
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: told him was you have to dress Rempy.

844
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Speaker 3: He probably was like, can we trade this guy please, well,

845
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: who would want him? Yeah, that's a good point. It

846
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: really sucked seeing Talk on the bench too, right like

847
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: at the reminder every time, like a great he's on

848
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Speaker 3: the flyers, but he is a flyer so he's probably

849
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Speaker 3: really happy.

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00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: Then no, he's I mean, people forget this and I

851
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: love Talk, but he's more flyer than he Absolutely, he's

852
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: in the Flyers Hall of Fame, they said last night.

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00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: Eleven seasons as a flyer.

854
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, no cups one oh five nine the X.

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Speaker 3: Now it's your chance with