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Speaker 2: It's four to sixteen. This is ESPN fifteen thirty one.

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Speaker 2: O Eggar, thank you so much for joining as Lee

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Speaker 2: UK basketball coverage. The Wildcats finishing up non conference play

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Speaker 2: A long break for the Wildcats before conference play begins

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Speaker 2: The Buckeyes are getting set for their College Football Playoff

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Speaker 2: We have Christmas Day games on Thursday to talk about

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Speaker 4: Mo? What is up? What is up? My friend? And

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Speaker 5: How they just jam a best of showing in just

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Speaker 6: Show out man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 5: Oh man, Well, happy holidays seeing my friend.

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Speaker 4: Thanks again, a great season.

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Speaker 5: It's championship week in fantasy and any of our listeners

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Speaker 5: are still.

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Speaker 1: Alive, Yes, I am not.

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Speaker 2: But every fantasy football season provides lessons, and I think

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Speaker 4: No doubt about it.

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Speaker 5: Every year new lessons, and I'll pay the biggest lessons

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Speaker 5: There you go, and why you care to kid cranky?

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Speaker 4: It's cool. Next day you don't be at school.

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Speaker 2: It's a very very good point, one that I will

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Speaker 2: let's take a look at some injuries going into Week seventeen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's start a quarterback.

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Speaker 4: For the championship game.

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Speaker 2: Dan Klaskins is with his fantastics Insider Football on Sirius

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Speaker 2: XM Fantasy one more time for twenty twenty five. Give

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let's start with Dak Press.

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Speaker 5: And then Dudge Jarrick Goff no team giving up fewer

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Speaker 2: I love having you every single g that's right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I love having you every single week. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 2: you know, usually early August, late July, I sheepishly send

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Speaker 4: Oh, let's book it now. Let's book it. Brother. Always

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Speaker 4: appreciate it. Definitely fun to do and like helping people.

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Speaker 5: But so remember if you're playing this week, just we

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Speaker 4: They're gonna have to be dialed in for a few days.

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Speaker 5: Pay attention to the weather, and stick to the process.

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Speaker 5: Don't overthink it. Bring on those titles. No, only one

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, and it's been I've been reminded in

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Speaker 2: self examination. Dan will talk next something man. Thank you

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Speaker 2: as always, all right, looking forward to it.

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Speaker 4: Enjoy your holiday moo and thanks a lot, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Likewise, you're the best.

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Speaker 2: He has been doing this show, whether it's been me

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Speaker 1: This year, despite his help, I was atrocious, but nobody cares.

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Speaker 2: season success, and for what it's worth, I think they're

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Speaker 2: gonna win against Jacoby Brissett and the Cardinals on Sunday.

437
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Speaker 1: If it's me, I wouldn't.

438
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Speaker 2: I still wouldn't play Burrow in these last two games,

439
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 2: but all right, he's gonna play. I certainly wouldn't play

440
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 2: them against Miles Garrett a week from Sunday. But I

441
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Speaker 2: think the Bengals are gonna feast on those two excuse me,

442
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: those two quarterbacks to Kobe Brissett, should or Sanders, and

443
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: I think they'll win those football games if they do.

444
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 2: Who knows how late season's success is going to impact

445
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Speaker 2: decision making, but they do have a lot of key

446
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: decisions to make this offseason, to identify which free agents

447
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 2: are worth going after, which free agents they may be

448
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 2: willing to overpay, what Plan B is for a handful

449
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,719
Speaker 2: of players they may target in free agency if they

450
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: don't get them. The process of making your team better

451
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 2: is always easier if there are some pieces from inside

452
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Speaker 2: that you want to build around. And I do think

453
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Speaker 2: that here in the second half of the season, as

454
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Speaker 2: maddening as it has been, as disheartening as it has been,

455
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Speaker 2: Start with the offensive line. Bengals have a decent offensive line,

456
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Speaker 2: not great. I know what a great offensive line looks like.

457
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 2: They had one in twenty fifteen. It is I think

458
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Speaker 2: easily the best offensive line Joe Burrow has played behind.

459
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Speaker 2: There are some pieces there. A Marius Mims has been terrific,

460
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Speaker 2: Dylan Fairchild looks like he's going to be a very

461
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Speaker 2: good bro Dalton Reisner is definitely a player worth at

462
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: least exploring bringing back. They could use more depth. Maybe

463
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Speaker 2: a long term solution presents itself for Orlando Brown's place,

464
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Speaker 2: and maybe that's Marius Mims, and they need a long

465
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Speaker 2: term answer at right tackle. But for the first time

466
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Speaker 2: in a while, offensive line isn't this huge glaring? Just

467
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Speaker 2: absolutely prioritize it hole that it has been for a

468
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Speaker 2: very long time. How many times over the last nine

469
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Speaker 2: years have you gone into the offseason thinking Bengals are Okay,

470
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Speaker 2: in the offensive line, I can't think of one there

471
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Speaker 2: now like that. That's a really good place to start.

472
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: And so again it's not that you ignore the offensive line,

473
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Speaker 2: but they have a lot of pressing issues. But that's

474
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Speaker 2: not a pressing issue. And so there's one less than

475
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Speaker 2: I think we thought there would be back in September.

476
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Speaker 2: At October a month and a half ago, you looked

477
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Speaker 2: at him on defense and it was like, huh, keep

478
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Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart. I guess keep DJ Turner, sign him long term?

479
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: Then what Now it's a little bit easier if you

480
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: could say, okay, Miles Murphy, we can count on him

481
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Speaker 2: next year to play better. Is it gonna be an

482
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Speaker 2: all pro calimber guy? Is he ever gonna play like

483
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Speaker 2: a first round pick?

484
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

485
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: But instead of a completely empty cupboard, there are a

486
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Speaker 2: few items. Murphy, Dax Hill, DJ Turner, admittedly not a

487
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Speaker 2: ton like admittedly not a ton.

488
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Speaker 1: Jordan Battle I think as one of them.

489
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Speaker 2: Jordan Battle when not his presence on the team would

490
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Speaker 2: not preclude me from taking a safety in round one.

491
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Speaker 2: And I know the apple of everybody's eye right now

492
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: is Caleb Downs, but Jalen Battle or Jordan Battle. Being

493
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: on the team next year is not a bad thing,

494
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Speaker 2: and I think over the course of the last few

495
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Speaker 2: weeks there have emerged some pieces that you're at least

496
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Speaker 2: okay being a part of the team next year. Five

497
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Speaker 2: away from five o'clock, Tony Pike and I yesterday on

498
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: the Tony and Mo Football Show took a college basketball

499
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: detour and spent a lot of time on the Bearcats.

500
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Speaker 2: It is remarkable to me. And Uce does have one

501
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Speaker 2: more non conference game remaining, It's against Lipscombon on Monday,

502
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Speaker 2: and then conference play is going to begin. And I

503
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: don't think you need me to read you the Ken

504
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 2: Palm rankings or the net rankings of all the teams

505
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: they're going to play in the Big Twelve. What they

506
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Speaker 2: have in front of them is incredibly difficult. It is

507
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Speaker 2: amazing to me that we are midway through the third

508
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Speaker 2: season of the Big Twelve, fifth season of West Miller's

509
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: tenure in Cincinnati, and they have a basketball team that

510
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 2: it's impossible to imagine playing in the NCAA tournament. Like

511
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 2: we went into the season saying it's gonna be tournament

512
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Speaker 2: or bust, right, gotta make the tournament. Got to have

513
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 2: your name on selection Sunday. It is beyond sobering to

514
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Speaker 2: me and unfortunately a painful indictment against I think what's

515
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Speaker 2: what's gonna happen is it relates to the head basketball

516
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: coach at the end of the season that it's Christmas,

517
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Speaker 2: it's two days before Christmas, and whether it be looking

518
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Speaker 2: at their record or watching them play and then combining

519
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: it with the schedule, it's pretty much impossible to imagine

520
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 2: them making the NCAA tournament. You know, we talked about

521
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Speaker 2: this before the season. Chad Rendell joined me to talk about,

522
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Speaker 2: you know, NCUBAA tournament or bust. And his response to

523
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 2: that was, well, I need to see what it looks like.

524
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Speaker 2: And like I do agree that there was probably a

525
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: world where they don't make the tournament, but you know,

526
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Speaker 2: they kind of got job by the committee or they

527
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Speaker 2: were on one of the first four out and you know,

528
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Speaker 2: they played great down the stretch and just that the

529
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: committee just snubbed him. They're not in a position to

530
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Speaker 2: be snubbed, and they're probably not going to be in

531
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Speaker 2: a position to be snubbed. They've played for six, seven

532
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Speaker 2: weeks whatever it's been since the first game on November third.

533
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Speaker 2: You're not watching a team that feels or looks any

534
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Speaker 2: better than the team that took the floor for the

535
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Speaker 2: first game, and they've played twelve. Offensively, I don't know

536
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Speaker 2: what you can hang your hat on Defensively, I'm not

537
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 2: sure what you can hang your hat on against really

538
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: good teams. I don't know how this gets better.

539
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Speaker 1: And so.

540
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Speaker 2: It is so remarkable to me that we are going

541
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Speaker 2: into year five of this and pretty much everybody he

542
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 2: has understandably so already pretty much assume they're not going

543
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: to make the tournament. And I don't know how you.

544
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Speaker 2: I don't know how you. I don't know how you

545
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: don't do anything but that, And so we have months

546
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 2: to discuss it. I feel like we can ye yell

547
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 2: and scream about how Wes Miller should be let go.

548
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that that's going to have to happen

549
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: if this continues, because I think it's gonna, unfortunately be

550
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: a little bit of a foregone conclusion. Paul Danner Junior

551
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Speaker 2: joins us. Next, I want to spend a few minutes

552
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Speaker 2: with Paul on Jay Morrison. In addition to the Bengals,

553
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 2: We're at Oakley Greens on ESPN fifteen thirty.

554
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Speaker 1: We got to get right.

555
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: We're at Oakley Greens Still six o'clock, thrilled to be here,

556
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Speaker 2: blub life, five o'clock Happy. How Paul Danner, Junior Frump,

557
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: The Athletic and the Growler podcast is with us. Paul awesome.

558
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: We have a lot to talk about. First of all,

559
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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas.

560
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Speaker 7: Merry Christmas. How are you doing?

561
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: Though? I'm doing well.

562
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm doing better than expected, especially because

563
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 2: this Bengals season has been miserable. Here's what I'm excited about.

564
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: I get a couple of days away, and you do

565
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: as well. From doing the psychoanalysis of Joe Burrow, and

566
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: that's what Sunday's win provided.

567
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: A respirate from psychoanalysis.

568
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 3: Yes, we don't have to take the temperature of how

569
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is feeling, which is happiness scale today and

570
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 3: we can just kind of enjoy a day where everybody

571
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 3: was definitely happy. Everything looked the way that you would

572
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: expect it to look. They played like an offense that

573
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: is built to win a lot of games, even though

574
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 3: it hasn't won many this year, and you can just

575
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: sort of accept that for what it is, right, now.

576
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Speaker 2: So what is the best way to process Sunday? Is it,

577
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: you know, bittersweetness, This is what it could have been,

578
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: this is what it can be. Is it they're going

579
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,479
Speaker 2: to use late season success to cloud their decision making.

580
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: Is it they're going to screw up their draft positioning?

581
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Speaker 2: How should I process Sunday?

582
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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's different aspects to all of that.

583
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Speaker 3: The drafts isitioning thing you can miss me with that

584
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: I don't really like. First of all, the draft is

585
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: not that great in the top ten anyway, so you're

586
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: going to be seeing a lot of similar prospects in

587
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: the middle and come on, man, these guys need to

588
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: go win games.

589
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 7: There's too many. I'm not doing that, But I will.

590
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Speaker 3: Say I think the lens it is bittersweet because this

591
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: is what it was supposed to look like. I mean,

592
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: the Bengals, even in their best times, haven't eviscerated teams

593
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: like that. I mean, that is the way they played offense, defense.

594
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 3: Special to all of it together is the way it's

595
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: supposed to look on a team that is capable of making.

596
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Speaker 7: A run in January, and here they are at the.

597
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Speaker 3: End of December looking like a team capable of making

598
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Speaker 3: a run in January, but none of it matters because

599
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,239
Speaker 3: everything that happened over the course of the season, and

600
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 3: that is bittersweet and that's a little hard to swallow,

601
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: But I will say this, I don't think it's meaningless.

602
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: You do worry. What you mentioned is the biggest concern

603
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: of all of this is that, and it's like, well,

604
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: I see all of these players playing, well, they're coming along.

605
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 3: We're just gonna bet on them next year and run

606
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: run the whole thing back. I mean, I think there's

607
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: very clear positions linebacker, defensive line that have to have significant,

608
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,719
Speaker 3: you know, a raising of the boats happening there. Like

609
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: there's got to be some higher level play veterans brought

610
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: in that can be reliable and bring you some juice

611
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: and let the players that are currently here either find

612
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: a way to play above them or be role players,

613
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: which is probably kind of where they sit. They just

614
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: need a couple more starting level players in there. That said,

615
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: this entire year was going to be based on the

616
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: development of all of these young defensive players, and it

617
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: had to happen at some point, and here we are.

618
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Speaker 7: It didn't happen fast enough.

619
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Speaker 3: Everything that happened in the first ten games of the

620
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: season or whatever happened.

621
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Speaker 7: There's no way around that.

622
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: But I think the important element to look at it is, look,

623
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Speaker 3: you're seeing these young pieces start to actually look like

624
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: they are individually developing and taking a next step. And

625
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: that's not just from one game, that's from a continued

626
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: trend this whole second half of the season.

627
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Speaker 2: Did Duke Tobin actually oversee a successful twenty twenty three draft.

628
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Speaker 7: It's like you're reading my notebook right now.

629
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Speaker 3: I have a whole story, a whole story that is

630
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 3: I'm about about to have published for tomorrow on the

631
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: success of the twenty twenty three draft and more importantly,

632
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: the opportunity to affords the Bengals to change how they

633
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: operate and to look at things differently. Yes, they absolutely

634
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 3: had a successful twenty twenty three draft. I mean, if

635
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: you're talking about what constitutes a good draft, you're talking

636
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: about what you want to get three starters out of it,

637
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 3: and it's like, man, it's a good draft. You know,

638
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 3: that's just the way that. However, you got to find

639
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 3: a way to do that. They have far more than that.

640
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: I mean you're talking Miles Murphy, DJ Turner. I mean

641
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: they look like real, solid level pieces. Jordan Battle is

642
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: a part of this team's future. Certainly he seems undeniably

643
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: going to be a starter for them next year. Chase

644
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: Brown is a top running back in this league. Andre

645
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: Josbasi is a solid three or four receiver, however you

646
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: want to view him. Like to find those pieces that's

647
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 3: real value. I mean, that is a good draft. It

648
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 3: took till year three. Sometimes it takes to year three

649
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 3: for guys to come around, but yeah, I think you

650
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: look at that way.

651
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 7: But now they're extension eligible. Now you're gonna see this.

652
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Speaker 7: How are they gonna do this?

653
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: Is it gonna look like t Higgins and Jesse Bates

654
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: and the Jamar Chase stuff That was all the off

655
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: field drama and trade requests and bickering over how good

656
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: they actually are or are we going to see an

657
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: Eagle style early investment in some of these guys.

658
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 7: These are hits. They look to be coming together, like

659
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 7: you're seeing that.

660
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 3: Go out and pay these guys before next season starts

661
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: and get those done and avoid all of the bickering

662
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 3: and off field stuff that happens. I think what we

663
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 3: have now is an opportunity for them to say, hey, look,

664
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: we are doing.

665
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 7: Some things differently. Now, will that happen?

666
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Speaker 3: I'm probably not holding my breath on a lot of it,

667
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: but I do think it's a great.

668
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 7: Opportunity to do some of the things that maybe.

669
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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is referencing, do things a little differently, be

670
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 3: a little more creative. This would seem to maybe be

671
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: an opportunity to do some of that with a couple

672
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Speaker 3: of these guys from that draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you know, to me, this certainly doesn't let

674
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin off the proverbial hook. Whatever amount of criticism

675
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: he has gotten, I believe he is deserved. I certainly

676
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: believe his role with the organization should be examined. But

677
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: I'm also a believer in giving credit words to and

678
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: admittedly it's taken Miles Murphy longer than a lot of

679
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: us would like. It's taking Jordan Battle longer than a

680
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: lot of us would like. I certainly wouldn't use him

681
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: as you know somebody that, hey, we're not going to

682
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: take a safety because we have Jordan Battle. But he's

683
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: played well. Chase Brown is terrific. DJ Turner should be

684
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 2: a pro bowler. Andre Yoshabas for a sixth rounder from

685
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: Princeton was an excellent pick or all five of those

686
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: guys players that could still be here in twenty twenty seven.

687
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Speaker 7: I you know that to be seen, I think it's possible.

688
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: You get I mean, you get into the dynamics of

689
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 3: can you pay everybody, how much do they want? Is

690
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: there going to be a franchise tag decision of all

691
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: of those things, Jill Miles Murphy if your option, there's

692
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: a lot of dynamics and ways to go about it,

693
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 3: and so all of them, I mean, yeah, I think

694
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: I think a good amount of them.

695
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 7: I think they've got to find a way.

696
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: To do draft, develop Britain and still be about that

697
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: and prove it they're about that and this is the

698
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: best way to do it. There's a I mean a

699
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: long way to go to get to that, right certainly,

700
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: and a lot of things that happened, But I do

701
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 3: think that they have the ability to do it, and

702
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 3: it's a chance for them to prove what they really

703
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: want to be about in terms of how they build

704
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: their roster by making sure that a vast majority of

705
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: those guys are around for the long haul.

706
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: All right, So I read your mind. I know what

707
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: you're going to write about. Now I want to talk

708
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: about what you did write about. I didn't think and

709
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: I you know, the big takeaway for me after the

710
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: Denver game, same basic point in the season last year,

711
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: though they were playing for something, was T Higgins is

712
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 2: cemented as a beloved figure forever. That's before he signs

713
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: in the second contract. That's before we see him do

714
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: what he did this past week, culminating with his performance

715
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: on Sunday. I think there's a good conversation about whether

716
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: or not he should have been out there. That's fine,

717
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: But the fact that in the game that had no

718
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: bearing on the playoff race and a season that has

719
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 2: gone awry, you have a dude doing everything he can

720
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: to get on the field and then contributing and playing

721
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: his ass off like this is I've said this before.

722
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 2: I'm not sure there's a more beloved player than T

723
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 2: Higgins and I've had people say really, and I go, dude,

724
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: you it's not just.

725
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: That he's good.

726
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: It's dragging himself on the field against Kansas City and

727
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: the game they had to have a couple of years ago.

728
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: It's willingly playing second banana behind Jamar Chase, which a

729
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: lot of guys wouldn't do. It's what we saw this

730
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: past week, culminating with his performance against Miami.

731
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

732
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: I mean just talking to him afterwards and him discussing

733
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: the process and how hard it was, you know, and

734
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: I just sort of asked him because I can't imagine

735
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 3: what it's like to be getting on a plane flying

736
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: to Pittsburgh knowing that you're about to see a concussion

737
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: specialist and wondering what they're gonna tell you, and how

738
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: hard that must be to go through, and to go

739
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: through it all with the idea of wanting to go

740
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: be out there and.

741
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 7: Playing this seemingly meaningless game.

742
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 3: And then to go out there and do it like that,

743
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: to be thankful to even have been a part of it,

744
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 3: to have played well, and to care about being out

745
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 3: there and being a part of this. These are the

746
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: type of guys you invest in. These the type of

747
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: guys you want their locker room.

748
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 7: It's top guys. They don't have probably enough of that.

749
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 3: The team matters that much, being a good teammate, being accountable,

750
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: being available matters that much to Tea.

751
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 7: And doing it the right way like this was not haphazard.

752
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to go out there and try to play

753
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: through it, because like I don't want to ever diminish.

754
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 3: It's very murky waters talking about that, but going through

755
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: it and making sure everybody and including the top specialists

756
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 3: in that field, has said it's okay, and going out

757
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 3: there and then embracing and saying I want.

758
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 7: To go do it. Nobody and guys said this afterwards.

759
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: Nobody would have given I would have cared at all

760
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: if he would have said, I'm done, I'm done with

761
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 3: this year.

762
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 7: I've got these concussions.

763
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure I'm right, and no

764
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: one would everyone would totally understand it. But the fact

765
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: that he did do it, I think proved how much

766
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: he is about this team, how much he does care

767
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 3: about their success, and how much he cares about being

768
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: a good teammate, and that wins you games.

769
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: Read Paul's piece on t Higgins in the aftermath of

770
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 2: that game on Sunday The Athletic dot Com. Paul Danner

771
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: Junior from The Athletic and the Growler podcast. I am

772
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: going to make, admittedly a very clumsy transition to something

773
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 2: that is unfortunately not anywhere close to as fun as

774
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 2: what we have been talking about. You guys on the

775
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: Bengals Beat are really close knit and you compete with

776
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,919
Speaker 2: each other, but you enjoy each other's company, You help

777
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: each other, you do each other's podcasts. It's awesome to

778
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 2: watch and I think we as fans get to benefit

779
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: from it. Your podcasting partner and your close friend, Jay

780
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 2: Morrison is going through something right now that Zach Taylor

781
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: was classy enough to reference during his press conference yesterday.

782
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 2: And I want to spend a few minutes on Jay

783
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 2: lost his wife and this was totally unexpected. Jay covers

784
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: the Bengals for Bengals Talk dot com. He's part of

785
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: the Growler podcast with Paul. You guys are kind enough

786
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 2: to let me join you guys, and I don't really

787
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: add anything, but it's it's fun to be with you.

788
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: Jay is a sweetheart of a human being. I know

789
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: fans who read his work and listen and watch listen

790
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 2: to and watch his work our heartbroken for him. You're

791
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 2: very close to him. He's going through an awful time.

792
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: This is a long winded preamble into me asking you

793
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: to just spend a few minutes talking about Jay and

794
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: and what he and his family are going through right now.

795
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

796
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 3: I mean it's I've yeah, I mean I've known Jay

797
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 3: for so long I can't even tell you when I

798
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 3: first met him.

799
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 7: But when you met him, you knew how in love

800
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 7: he was.

801
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 3: Like we always you know, there's always like a joke

802
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 3: you could make about you know, you see some couples

803
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 3: out here and yeah they're married, but man, they're they're

804
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 3: faking it right, Like that's not that's not.

805
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 7: A real one. And and and but that was never

806
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 7: the case with Jay and Nikki.

807
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: I mean these were best friends, partners.

808
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 7: They did everything to get that.

809
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: They went out, you know, we would always talk about

810
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: all the concerts and that became a running gag of

811
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: what show they were going to and where they were

812
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: because they loved each other's company and they were really

813
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: truly there for each other. And so for something like

814
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: this unexpected to happen, it's just any time, it's heartbreaking,

815
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: but for it to be like this, you just feel

816
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: for Jay, who was literally someone who would do anything

817
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: for anyone. I mean, this is the guy who will

818
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 3: go and he'll take care of his friends when they're

819
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: sick or their moms are cut cut grass, and for

820
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 3: for somebody who can't do it right now, or like

821
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: literally anything you would ever need. He would go above

822
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 3: and be on to do anything for you. It just

823
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 3: makes it hurt all that much more. And he's just

824
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 3: such a good dude, and and you just are You're

825
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 3: broken for him.

826
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 7: We all are.

827
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 3: It's it's a it hits all of us hard because

828
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: we knew Nikki, we knew how much love they were.

829
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 3: So it's it's tough where you know what we we

830
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: this is why I love Cincinnati, man.

831
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 7: We rally around our people, man. And what we have

832
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 7: seen and.

833
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 3: Heard and the support that has been directed towards Jay

834
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: from people just in town, people that are in the NFL,

835
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: people that that listen to our program and just feel

836
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: connected to it, it has been overwhelming, and I'm so

837
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: happy to see it. And I can't wait for us to,

838
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 3: once the dust settles on this, come up with a

839
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: way that we can find a way to really support

840
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: even further.

841
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 7: But it's so amazing to see the amount.

842
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 3: Of support that he has out there, because it is

843
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: it's it's just it's it's just awful in every way imaginable.

844
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 7: Right now.

845
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope in some way he's he's comforted by

846
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: the outpouring of support and the outpouring of love that

847
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 2: he is getting from folks that he knows and folks

848
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: that simply know him. Hope you have a great Christmas.

849
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: Thanks for everything, and uh we'll talk next week. Man,

850
00:41:58,280 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 2: Thanks so much.

851
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 6: May Chris.

852
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: All right, there you go.

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Speaker 2: He is with u sumer sports dot com. Sean, it's

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Speaker 2: awesome to have he was always good after him.

872
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Speaker 6: No, I'm excited to talk.

873
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 9: You know, we're at the point of the season where,

874
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 9: you know, unfortunately some teams like Carvin Love.

875
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 5: Bengals are out of the playoff pun but a lot.

876
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 10: Of fun things happened to see, a lot of fun

877
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 10: things to look forward to seventeen.

878
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 2: Uh, I'll ask you one question about the Bengals game,

879
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: and then there are three teams I want to talk

880
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: about that are actually going to play in the playoffs.

881
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 2: Did anything stand out about the Bengals performance on Sunday

882
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: that made you go, wow, that's cool.

883
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 9: I mean, they really beat them down, like it really

884
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 9: was not closed, which is really really nice to see,

885
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 9: and unfortunately just felt like, all right, well, this is

886
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 9: kind of the vision of this team that you could have.

887
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 9: You know, when things are really really going you get

888
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 9: four touchdowns.

889
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 10: From Joe Burrow, you get the defense.

890
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 9: Yeah you're gonna let up some explosive plays, but you're

891
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 9: able to get two interceptions and have that defense being

892
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 9: just like a habit kind of mentality so you know,

893
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 9: a little bit of a tough one overall, just like

894
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 9: such a good game and hopefully, I guess you can

895
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 9: take this kind of riding and high as you go

896
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 9: into these last two.

897
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: There are three things the three teams I want to

898
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: ask you about that our playoff ban. The first is

899
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Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars with a guy and Liam Cohen, who

900
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: has been renowned for his offensive coaching capabilities. For a while,

901
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 2: we've all been waiting for Trevor Lawrence to break out.

902
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: This feels like a very good coach QB marriage. What

903
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: has Liam done in Jacksonville that those before him couldn't.

904
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 10: I think he's really been able to streamline things for Trevor.

905
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 10: Where you see it in the you also see it

906
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 10: out of the poor pulling out. He's playing at his

907
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 10: highest funnel right now over the last few weeks.

908
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 7: That's been really good thing.

909
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: We see it.

910
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 5: Against the Broncos from in the league.

911
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 10: That was just a really really good plan to deal

912
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 10: with that.

913
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 9: And Mo, it's kind of crazy. A lot of this

914
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 9: comes after the trade for Jacoby Meyer, so we go

915
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 9: for a team that really had Ryan Thomas Junior at

916
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 9: the top of a lot of these charts last season,

917
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 9: a lot kind of fell off for him.

918
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 10: But the way that Cohen is getting Trevor to commit

919
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 10: to attacking that intermediate area of the field at ten

920
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 10: to nineteen yard rand, I think they're just doing a

921
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 10: fantastic job be really good in the red zone, really

922
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 10: good red dune performance last week against the Broncos.

923
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: Uh what has Sean Payton been able to do with

924
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: a guy in bow Nicks that it still feels like

925
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: just from a from a from a ceiling perspective or

926
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: maybe a raw talent perspective.

927
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: The jury seems to be split on.

928
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 7: I do think that pet doesn't you have down the.

929
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 10: Shot plays and finding ways where gonna throw it up.

930
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 10: Sometimes it's gonna be complete, sometimes it's gonna be incomplete.

931
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 9: But collecting information earlier in the game, Hey, this is how.

932
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 4: You're aligning were.

933
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 6: And we're gonna have a.

934
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Speaker 4: I do think that this has done it, you know, maybe.

935
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 6: A little.

936
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 10: Improving, really being comfortable with Cotlands and on the outside.

937
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 10: I think they're running unfortunates taking a step back.

938
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 9: They have a really good offensive line, and I mean

939
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 9: with that defense, even though had a real rough day

940
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 9: against the Jaguars, they I mean they could, They could run,

941
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 9: but they could also lose the division.

942
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 10: If the Charges are able to win that last game

943
00:45:58,719 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 10: against US.

944
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 2: If I asked ten football fans prior to the season

945
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: about Caleb Williams, I would get ten different opinions. I'm sure,

946
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'll get one opinion if I ask

947
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: all ten. Now, But what has it been about Ben

948
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: Johnson's coaching that has helped Caleb Williams have the sophomore

949
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: season in the NFL that he's had.

950
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 10: Ben Johnson is one of the best play callers in

951
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 10: the NFL at making things look exactly the same.

952
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 9: So overtime was a phenomenal trim about Caleb not taking

953
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 9: my way Philip at all.

954
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 6: That was the person.

955
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 10: That first play the game, the first play on the

956
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 10: third quarter.

957
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 5: They run out times.

958
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 7: He's always this time over time, we're.

959
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 9: Gonna run a play action shot, We're gonna have that

960
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 9: middle of field open, We're gonna trust our guys. I

961
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 9: think that Johnson is doing a good job of getting

962
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 9: Caleb into comfortable situations while not constricting his creativity because

963
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 9: Caleb is a special, special athlete, and I think you

964
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 9: know Ben Johnson in Detroit, he certainly didn't have that

965
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 9: same sort of creative to be with Jared. No offensive

966
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 9: course of Jared love Washington, but you is a different

967
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 9: kind of actlete. So Johnthan's like forcing you to color

968
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 9: in the line, but also not being mad when you're

969
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 9: able to color outside the lines as well.

970
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Speaker 2: People are always looking for great deals during the holidays.

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975
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Speaker 6: It's just a.

976
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Speaker 7: Really good way to look exactly.

977
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Speaker 10: You know, you haven't seen these two teams all season.

978
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Speaker 7: This is the profile of the team.

979
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Speaker 6: This is where they're really strong.

980
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Speaker 7: This is where the week maybe this is where they

981
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Speaker 7: kind of have issues.

982
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984
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985
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986
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Speaker 1: Bill Rabinowitz on the Buckeyes. Next headlines are.

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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl Games. Remember they don't play a really bad

995
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 2: football game anymore. They play tug of war. I think

996
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 2: there's they snap towels on each other. The AFC versus

997
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Speaker 2: played dodgeball. It's a lot of fun down there in

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Speaker 2: over there in San Francisco. So Jamar gets a chance

999
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Speaker 2: to do that. Bengals are getting set to play the

1000
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Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals with jacobyid. Jacoby Brissette will be appearing in

1001
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 2: his one hundredth NFL game on Sunday.

1002
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Speaker 1: Good for him.

1003
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: One o'clock the game live on ESPN fifteen thirty. College

1004
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: Hoops Earlier today, case On Williams scored twenty six. Kentucky

1005
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 2: knocked off Bellerman ninety nine to eighty five, Ohio State

1006
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: a winner over Grambling. Maybe Bell Rabinowitz is covering that game,

1007
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: and he's so deep into covering Ohio State's twenty six

1008
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: point basketball win over Grambling that he forgot the supposed.

1009
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: To be on right now. The book raton ball is

1010
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: happening right now. They're playing.

1011
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 2: They're in the final two minutes Louisville leeds Toledo twenty

1012
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: seven to twenty two. In that game where the coach

1013
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: this is the one where they get to think of

1014
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: big beans. Right, it's a big beans bowl. Bush's big beans.

1015
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 2: They pour beans on the winning coach. Jeff Brom's gonna

1016
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: have beans pored on them they win this thing.

1017
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 5: Right.

1018
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: We're at Oakley Greens, great place.

1019
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: For your holiday happy hours and to watch the college

1020
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: football playoff, to watch the Bengals game. College football play

1021
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: if you got a game on New Year's Eve night,

1022
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: and they got three on the first Liberty Bowl on Friday.

1023
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 2: Of course, OSU versus Miami is the first quarterfinal game.

1024
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 2: And we were hoping to spend a few minutes with

1025
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: our friend Bill Rebinowitz about the buck Eyes and the

1026
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: book that he wrote about last year's team. And he's

1027
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 2: not answering his phone, and that happens something. Maybe he's busy,

1028
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: maybe something came up, maybe he's on a better radio show.

1029
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,839
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but we'll try to track him

1030
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 2: down and if not, I'll just do my thing on ESPN.

1031
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 2: Fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. This is this is our

1032
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 2: last show before Christmas, and you know things. I didn't

1033
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: want things to end on a sour note. Fortunately, we

1034
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: have tracked down our friend Bill Rabinowitz, whose book Buckeye

1035
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: Brotherhood outlines the inside story behind last year's twenty twenty

1036
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: four Ohio State National Championship football team. Bill covered Ohio

1037
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: state sports for years for the Columbus Dispatch, now for

1038
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: his substack Bill on the Buckeyes. The book is terrific.

1039
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: Bill is terrific. He's with us now, Hi, Bill, Hello,

1040
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 2: how are you. I'm well, it's awesome to have you.

1041
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, like fifty three weeks ago, you know, Ryan

1042
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: Day is getting set to coach in the college football Playoff.

1043
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: He's just lost to Michigan. It feels like the walls

1044
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: are closing in. He's coaching for his job, and he

1045
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: has since won a national title. They're the odds on

1046
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 2: favorite to win an other one. He beats Michigan, the

1047
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 2: Michigan programs and tatters. What a difference twelve months at

1048
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: a week make Yeah.

1049
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 11: It is crazy to think how things changed. I mean,

1050
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 11: I think everyone went to that Tennessee game thinking you

1051
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 11: know which team's going to show up.

1052
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 6: Are they going to mail it in or are they

1053
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 6: going to come out inspired?

1054
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 11: And they blew the doors down and then rolled through

1055
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 11: the playoffs in one of the great turnarounds in college

1056
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 11: football history. I mean, they were as low as a

1057
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,879
Speaker 11: team can get after losing in Michigan because all those

1058
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 11: guys came back primarily to beat Michigan. You know, oh yeah,

1059
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 11: they wanted to win the national championship, but that was

1060
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 11: the most immediate goal is to beat Michigan. When they

1061
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 11: lost that game, inexplicably, they're like, what do we come

1062
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 11: back for? Then they had the you know, team meeting.

1063
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 11: It's kind of become famous and then they went on

1064
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 11: that role and yeah, it's crazy, and you think about

1065
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 11: what's happened in Michigan since then, and look, that's it

1066
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 11: was kind of in some ways a bit of a

1067
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 11: house of cards there right especially.

1068
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 6: After Harball left.

1069
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Speaker 11: And it is sad because obviously there's you know, the

1070
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 11: human the toll it has taken, but the boy, it's

1071
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 11: the programs are on different footings right now.

1072
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Speaker 2: I hear about brotherhood and football, and sometimes it can

1073
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 2: sound cliche. I actually talked with Patrick Yard, who played

1074
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,919
Speaker 2: for the Bearcats this year, was on that Ohio State

1075
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 2: team and outline just for me, you know how how

1076
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: legitimate and real that was. That is I think one

1077
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Speaker 2: of the it's the central theme of your book. You've

1078
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Speaker 2: been around a lot of Ohio State teams. Was this

1079
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 2: the most close knit one?

1080
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Speaker 11: I think so, just because they've been through so much together.

1081
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 11: You know, they stayed for four years, which is pretty unusual.

1082
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 11: And honestly, if you had asked me at the start

1083
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 11: of the process of writing the book whether I would

1084
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 11: have a title like Buckeye Brotherhood, I probably would have

1085
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 11: said no.

1086
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 6: Because it seems like a cliche.

1087
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Speaker 11: Right Every team is, oh, we're a family, We're so

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Speaker 11: close or so this, and usually it's it's kind of

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Speaker 11: a this is not really the truth.

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Speaker 6: But these guys.

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Speaker 11: Were, I mean, and and time after time that brotherhood

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00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 11: sustained them. And as I kept doing their research and

1093
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 11: writing this, it was obvious that that had to be

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Speaker 11: the title, because that was that's what it was. I mean,

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00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 11: you can kind of roll your eyes at it, which

1096
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 11: is the temptation, but it was real and I think

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00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 11: that's what carried the day for them. That's really what

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00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 11: got him through it. That and the fact they were

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00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 11: really talented too. I mean, don't overlook that they were

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00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 11: really talented.

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Speaker 2: That that brotherhood, if you will, It's hard to achieve

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Speaker 2: in the old way the college football was played. I

1103
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: think that's what stands out to me, right and in

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Speaker 2: this era where you're you're seeing coaches across sports have

1105
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: a hard time, you know, cobbling together teams and building

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00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: culture and and and keeping it keeping it going from

1107
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 2: one year to the next, I think to me, and

1108
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 2: you're much closer to it than I am. Obviously, that's

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00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 2: what made what they had last year stand out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 11: Again, you know, these guys could have gone to the NFL,

1112
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 11: could have made you know, look, they got nil money.

1113
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 11: It's not like they were, you know, poor, but they

1114
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 11: could have in some cases made a considerably uh you know,

1115
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 11: bigger amount and gotten closer to the second contract that

1116
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 11: every NFL player, every football player once. But they they

1117
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 11: just felt like it was unfinished business, that they couldn't

1118
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 11: in good conscience leave Ohio State without having beaten Michigan

1119
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Speaker 11: and making a run at the national championship, and and.

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Speaker 6: To have the adversity that they did, to have.

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Speaker 11: You know, to have lost to Oregon in October, which

1122
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 11: was a tough loss but not devastating, But then to

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Speaker 11: lose to Michigan was devastating. It was not a good

1124
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Speaker 11: Michigan team and and they did not expect nobody expected that.

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Speaker 11: I don't think missig expected, you know, that that outcome.

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00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 11: So yeah, that was that was a big.

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Speaker 6: Part of it.

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Speaker 11: But also, and I think the heart of the book

1129
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 11: is the are the personal stories that I that I

1130
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 11: really tried to dig deep and get to ryan days background.

1131
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 11: I mean, you know, most people Hooseate fans know that

1132
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 11: his father died by suicide when he was eight. You

1133
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 11: know just what that impact was on his life. And

1134
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 11: and that was kind of the first chapter of the book.

1135
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,800
Speaker 11: And then there are other players these stories. Jack Sawyer

1136
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 11: has a had an arc to his story where five

1137
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 11: star guys Pickerington, a suburb of Columbus, and his career

1138
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 11: was just kind of okay until the end of his

1139
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 11: junior year, then senior year, he wanted to make a

1140
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 11: big splash and he was one minute late to a

1141
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 11: workout and thought that he had blown his chance to

1142
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 11: be a captain, you know, and he obviously makes the

1143
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 11: most famous play of the season. That's the cover shot

1144
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 11: of the book is the Sawyer scoop and score against Texas.

1145
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 11: And I've got a whole chapter on just that one play.

1146
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 11: Just what diystect to get from every angle, what he saw,

1147
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 11: what coaches saw, what players and coaches and Ross by

1148
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 11: York the ad what they experienced watching that play. That's

1149
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 11: that's kind of one of the fun chapters of the

1150
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 11: book is his people reliving that play. But the heart

1151
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 11: of the book is just the stories of these players,

1152
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 11: one after the other, who overcame adversity, whether it was

1153
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 11: injuries or whether it was not feeling like their career

1154
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 11: had gone the way they wanted it to. That was

1155
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 11: kind of that's the essence of the book.

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Speaker 2: Guy Brotherhood, How Ohio State navigated a new world to

1157
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Speaker 2: win a national championship. Bill Robinowitz, if if you are

1158
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: thinking of a very last minute gift for an Ohio

1159
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 2: State fan, highly recommend really quick. With the college football

1160
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 2: Playoff quarterfinal looming, how much should the performance against Indiana's

1161
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: defense in the Big Ten title game give folks pauses

1162
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: they look ahead to next I guess next Wednesday night.

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Speaker 11: Well we'll find out, But I do think it could

1164
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 11: be a blessing in disguise.

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00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 6: I think that day that was kind of a weird week.

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Speaker 11: It was signing day. They Brian Hartline took the South

1167
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 11: Florida job. They had to try to hold onto Chris

1168
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 11: Henry Junior, of course, the son of the former Bengal receiver.

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00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 6: It's weird.

1170
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Speaker 11: I covered Chris Henry as a Bengal for the Dispatch

1171
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 11: and now recovering Chris Henry Junior.

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Speaker 6: And I saw him at a recruiting thing.

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Speaker 11: Last year, camping last year, and I told him, man,

1174
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 11: he was, oh, man, you're old.

1175
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 6: But kind of a weird week, And uh yes. I

1176
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 6: think that they probably they.

1177
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 11: Will probably help them to be humbled some and and

1178
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 11: realize that they're not invincible. But they have to fix

1179
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 11: some things too. You know, the offensive line did not

1180
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 11: play well in that game, and they've got to get.

1181
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 6: Some things sticked.

1182
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 11: But I'm not convinced that Jeremiah Smith or Carnell Tate

1183
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 11: was all that healthy in that game. I think it,

1184
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 11: you know, we'll see. Look, you'd never know. Last year

1185
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 11: all the teams they had to buy lost. Now, some

1186
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 11: of those were the teams that probably shouldn't gotten a buy.

1187
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 11: But you know, there is that concern, and Miami is

1188
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 11: talented enough to beat them. I'm not sure that they

1189
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 11: have been consistent enough and they've.

1190
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Speaker 6: Got some holes. But but you know, that's going to

1191
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 6: be an interesting game. We'll see.

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Speaker 11: Look and probably to answer a question you might be thinking,

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Speaker 11: or somebody might be thinking, no, I do not have

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Speaker 11: plans to write another book.

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Speaker 1: Championship. You write a book. That's how it works.

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Speaker 11: It's a little tough, you know, doing a book in

1197
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 11: four months with the level of reporting that I that

1198
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Speaker 11: I do is I don't think mentally or physically I

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Speaker 11: can do that back to back years, but but I do.

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Speaker 11: Ohio State fans follow me on substack Bill Rabinowitz dot

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00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 11: substack dot com. That you know, I left the Dispatch

1202
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Speaker 11: in September on very good terms. It was my decision strictly.

1203
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 11: I've just been looking for something different and substack gives

1204
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Speaker 11: me freedom to write, you know, covered team the way

1205
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 11: I've I've always wanted to do it. Yeah, yeah, I

1206
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 11: am charging. I mean, you could get a free subscription,

1207
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 11: but I obviously you know what pays. The bills are

1208
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 11: the paid subscription. So I appreciate if people would do that,

1209
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 11: you know, and I want to keep doing what I do.

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Speaker 6: And so.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's been a weird year because they didn't really

1212
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 11: have much of a regular season that was that had

1213
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 11: any drama. I mean it was Texas at the beginning

1214
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 11: and Issue at the end, and not much in the middle.

1215
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Speaker 11: But now it heats up, you know, now it gets interesting.

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Speaker 2: No question, Bill on the Buckeye Substack and Buckeye Brotherhood available.

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Speaker 2: As we say, Bill, where you get your books. Appreciate

1218
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Speaker 2: the time, man, have a great Christmas.

1219
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 6: Hi, thanks, No, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: You got it, Bill, Bill Rabinowitz, easy for me to say,

1222
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Speaker 2: does an awesome job. Got a substack, Buckeye Brotherhood, the

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Speaker 2: book about last year's national title team, wrote a book

1224
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Speaker 2: about the twenty fourteen national title team. Wrote a book

1225
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: about the twenty twelfth team with Urban Meyer in his

1226
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Speaker 2: first year that went undefeated. We are done, We're way late.

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Speaker 2: We have to go. Thanks to Drew wester Heidi for

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Speaker 2: producing on site, Joe Waddell for producing back in Kenwood.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to the staff at Oakley Greens. Chad Brendle's in

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Speaker 2: for me tomorrow. I hope everybody has an awesome Christmas

1231
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Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you next week. This is ESPN

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