1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:00,600 Speaker 1: Michael. 2 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 2: I agree that we need to take over the Republican Party, 3 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: but I've really been pondering what happened with Abraham Lincoln 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: in his entire lifetime. He went from a Whig to 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: being elected as the Republican nominee for president and winning. 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: So don't be surprised if we can take over a 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 2: party and completely change it, or if it needs to 8 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: be destroyed. I'm not saying that that's going to happen, 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: but it's just an interesting thought process. 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I think what bothers me is 11 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 3: the country's so fractured right now between these this binary 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 3: choice of left or right, or Republican or Democrat. That's 13 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 3: there's very little wiggle room in between, and there's so 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 3: much what we would call capture, and that is that 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 3: the parties have been captured. For example, why do you 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: think I keep focusing on Texas, but why do you 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 3: think that Jasmine Crockett didn't win in Texas? Well, there's 18 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 3: a whole host of reasons, but I would put that 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 3: if I had to pick out five of the top 20 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 3: reasons in that top five would be that the Democrat 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: establishment knew that as much as they try to placate 22 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 3: the Marxist wing of their party, which I believe truly 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: comprises the majority of their party. They knew that in 24 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: Texas she was unelectable, unelectable for a whole host of reasons. 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: So what do they do. They get Talla Rika onto 26 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 3: you know, Colbert or whatever it was, to try to 27 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: get him some national exposure, to help him raise some money, 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 3: to get him up in the polls. And of course 29 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: he won because they think he's the better chance at 30 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 3: defeating either Corner or Ken than it is to have 31 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: Jasmine Crockett running against them, which would have been a 32 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: fantastic race to work when they had been hilarious. Jasmine 33 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: Crockett against either one of the Republicans, I'd pay money 34 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: to what's that thing? Yeah, I don't man a debate 35 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: between the two of them, Cronin or Patent or Jasmine Crockett. Yeah, 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 3: sell me a ticket, Baby, sell me a ticket. I 37 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 3: want to Speaking of selling a ticket, let's talk about 38 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 3: something one of the oldest principles known to mankind, and 39 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 3: that is follow the money. Right, It's not very complicated. 40 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 3: If you want to know what someone's actual intentions are, 41 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: follow the money. Don't listen to what they say, watch 42 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: where the money comes from or where the money goes. 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 3: If you follow the money flowing from the Chinese Communist 44 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 3: Party into American universities, including right here in Colorado, what 45 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 3: you find is not a cultural exchange. It's not academic goodwill, 46 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 3: and it's not a love of learning. What you find is, 47 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 3: I believe to be one of the most sophisticated, patient, 48 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: and well funded intelligence operations in the history of competition 49 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: between the great powers. Yet it wasn't yesterday, it was 50 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: last week sometime. The Department of Education and the Department 51 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 3: of State announced a new partnership that is specifically designed 52 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 3: to increase transparency around foreign gifts to US universities and 53 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 3: then to use that transparency to try to identify possible 54 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: threats to our national security. There is a in the 55 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 3: House of Representatives, there is a select committee on China. 56 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 3: The chairman of that committee said this, it is a 57 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 3: serious effort to challenge the threats from China and demand 58 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: accountability from academic leaders who have allowed their campuses to 59 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: become havens for China's espionage efforts. How much money has 60 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: China given to American universities? More than six billion dollars. Now, 61 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 3: to put that in perspective, that's more than the entire 62 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: annual budget of the University of Colorado system. And that 63 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: system has four campuses, sixty seven thousand students, and it 64 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: generates seventeen billion dollars a year in economic impact for 65 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 3: this state. So that's not confusion. That's not confusion at all. 66 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: So the question worth asking is not whether this is 67 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,559 Speaker 3: a real problem, because the data seem to be pretty 68 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 3: clear about that. The question is why did it take 69 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 3: us this long to take it seriously? And perhaps even 70 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: more importantly, what does this mean for Colorado? Start with 71 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 3: the legal framework, because I find that when you understand 72 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: the legal structure, you understand both the scope of this 73 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 3: problem and the audacity of the non compliance. The Higher 74 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: Education Acts, Section one seventeen has required universities that get 75 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: federal aid to disclose foreign gifts that exceed two hundred 76 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars. That law has been in place 77 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: since nineteen sixty five. That's older than most of the faculty. 78 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: It's been on the books for what sixty years now, 79 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 3: and yet when the first Trump administration actually started trying 80 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: to enforce it, all the way back in twenty nineteen. 81 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 3: That was the first time in any meaningful way that 82 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: any presidential administration has tried to enforce that law. And 83 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: what investigators discovered is that universities failed to disclose upwards 84 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: of more than six and a half billion dollars and 85 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 3: four in money six and a half billion dollars, and 86 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 3: the law was still there, the obligation was there, the 87 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 3: money was flowing. Nobody filed, nobody bothered to file the paperwork, 88 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: nobody bothered to see if the paperwork had been filed, 89 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 3: and even if they had had, there wasn't There wasn't 90 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 3: any paperwork there to look at. Now, the university's defense, 91 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: and they did make a defense, was that, well, the 92 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: reporting requirements were confusing and unclear. Okay, well, how about 93 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 3: I tell the irs that their reporting requirements are confusing 94 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 3: and unclear, so I just can't find my taxes this year. 95 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 3: How about that the American Council on Education actually wrote 96 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: letters to the Department that they had saying they weren't 97 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 3: sure what they were supposed to report. And there's probably 98 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 3: a grain of truth to that, because the department had 99 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 3: issued two guidance letters in the previous thirty years, two 100 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 3: thousand and four nineteen ninety five. So part of this 101 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 3: really was a regulatory black hole. But if the law 102 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: says you have to disclose two hundred and fifty thousand 103 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 3: dollars or more from a foreign source, and Harvard, for example, 104 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 3: somehow managed to not disclose more than a billion dollars, 105 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: I don't think that the instructions were confusing. I don't 106 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: think that would hold up in front of the jury. 107 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: That's really not confusion. That's wilful blindness. That's wilful disobedience. 108 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 3: That's not even making an attempt to comply with the law. 109 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: But here's what really ought to catch your attention. When 110 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: these committee investigators started digging into the numbers, which would 111 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: not have happened except for the Trump administration actually trying 112 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: to do this, ten schools alone accounted for more than 113 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: half the total of the undisclosed amount. Three point six 114 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: billion of the six and a half billion came from 115 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 3: ten institutions. The University of Colorado Boulder was one of 116 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: those ten schools. Not Harvard, not Mit those two, but 117 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 3: Boulder made that infamous list of the ten schools with 118 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: the largest gaps between what they reported and what they 119 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: were actually getting Let that sit there for a minute. 120 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: The University of Colorado Boulder, the flagship research institution of 121 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: this state, funded substantially by hard working color taxpayers and 122 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: the recipient of hundreds of millions of dollars in federal 123 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: research grants, was among the ten worst actors in the 124 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: entire country when it came to disclosing foreign money. The 125 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 3: university that is deeply embedded in national security research, aerospace, 126 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 3: quantum technology, AI, artificial intelligence, hypersonic vehicles, was apparently not 127 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: keeping close enough track of whereas other money was coming from. 128 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 3: They were just busy doing other stuff, I guess. But 129 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 3: the irony gets really disgusting because CU Boulder is home 130 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: to the Center for National Security Initiatives. It has four 131 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 3: Nobel Laureates in quantum physics on current or past faculty. 132 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: It participates in the Department of Energies Quantum Systems Accelerator. 133 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: Its partnered with NIS that's the National Institute of Standards 134 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: and Technology right here in Boulder on some of the 135 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 3: most sensitive physics research in the entire nation. The Laboratory 136 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 3: for Atmospheric and Space Physics runs more than a dozen nasamissions. 137 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 3: The SMEED Aerospace Engineering programs during research on hypersonic vehicles. 138 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: In other words, see you, Boulder is a crown jewel 139 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: of American research capability in exactly the domains that China 140 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 3: most desperately wants to understand, replicate, and quite honestly steal. 141 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: And China's giving CU money that they were not fully reporting. 142 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: Now let's go a little further north because Fort Collins CSU, 143 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: you're not going to get a pass either. CSU ran 144 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: a Confucius Institute on campus. Let me explain what the 145 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 3: Confucius Institute actually is because the name sounds kind of innocuous, right, 146 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: It sounds like maybe there's a library or a meditation studio. 147 00:09:58,320 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: I don't know. 148 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: In reality, Confucius Institutes are Chinese government funded programs that 149 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 3: get embedded in the universities all around the world, not 150 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 3: just in the United States and not just at CSU 151 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: and Fort Collins. It's run by China's equivalent of the 152 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: Ministry of Education, and it's designed to promote positive narratives 153 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: about China. It's a propaganda machine, and it also in 154 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 3: turn gives Beijing access to university administrators, the faculty, and 155 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: it allows him to steer conversations away from topics that 156 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: the Chinese Communist Party finds uncomfortable. You know, Taiwan taybatt 157 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: Tieneman Square, The'll be your genocide. I don't know, choose 158 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 3: your poison. Former Director of the CIA, Bill Burns put 159 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 3: it pretty directly. Confucius institutes like the one at CSU 160 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 3: give Beijing direct access to university officials and are used 161 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: to spread positive portrayals of China and steer conversation from 162 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 3: topics sensity to the CCP. It's not a conspiracy. That's 163 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 3: the assessment of the Director of the CIA. Now, CSU 164 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 3: closed its Confucius Institute in June of twenty twenty one. 165 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 3: Now why did they close it. Not because they suddenly 166 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 3: discovered that there were national security implications, not because they 167 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 3: read the Senate in intelligence reports. They closed it because 168 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty one, Congress, in the National Defense Authorization 169 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: Act said that any university that keeps a Confucius institute 170 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,119 Speaker 3: open will lose its Department of Defense funding. And CSU 171 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: had more than one hundred and four million dollars in 172 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 3: DD contracts. So when you put one hundred and four 173 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: million dollars on one side of a scale and a 174 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 3: Chinese cultural propaganda Center. On the other side, the decision 175 00:11:54,200 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: makes itself, So CSU was not acting on principle. They 176 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: were acting on arithmetic. They think math. But here's where 177 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 3: you ought to get a little, maybe a little pissed off. 178 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 3: After CSU closed the Confucius Institute, they then quietly arranged 179 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 3: a new bilateral agreement with Hunan University, which is a 180 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 3: Chinese institution, to continue, in their own words, Chinese language 181 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 3: and cultural exchange at CSU. So they just changed the 182 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 3: sign on the door. They kept the same relationships a 183 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: Chinese university. It was connected to the same network that 184 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 3: they just severed. The National Association of Scholars, they tracked 185 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 3: these things, noted that this was a common strategy nationally. 186 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 3: Confucius institutes closed their doors, and then they immediately began 187 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 3: negotiating replacement arrangements to continue the essentially the same propaganda 188 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: activities under a different name. China plays the long game, 189 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 3: and American universities like right here in Colorado were more 190 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 3: than perfectly happy to be played. The Community College of Denver, 191 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 3: they had a Confucius Institute he closed back in twenty 192 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: twenty cee U Bolder Fritz part had reported receiving one 193 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty seven million dollars in international partnerships in 194 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 3: f y twenty three, twenty twenty four alone. One hundred 195 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 3: and twenty seven million dollars. Is some of that legitimate 196 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 3: collaborative research with allies and partners probably, So that is 197 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 3: all of it. That's the that's the problem. That's the 198 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: question that nobody's been able to answer because for a year, 199 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 3: nobody was asking the question. So here's a piece of 200 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: this story that I think is probably the most alarming 201 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 3: and I think the most underreported, because the foreign gift 202 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: reporting problem, that Section one seventeen compliance failure is in 203 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: some ways just the visible tip of a much larger iceberg. 204 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: Underneath it is something called China's Thousand Talents Program. Oh 205 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 3: one thousand points of life right now. This is the 206 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: Thousand Talents Program. It's a Chinese government initiative. So it's 207 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 3: a CCP initiative started back in two thousand and eight. 208 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: What do they want to do? They want to recruit 209 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: scientists and researchers from our universities. So if you just 210 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: look at it face value, it kind of looks like 211 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: an academic recruitment program in practice, it's a systematic effort 212 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: to incentivize American based researchers. Often they get dual salaries, 213 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 3: they get dual lab funding, they get housing, they get 214 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: career advancement in China to do what knowledge transfer, They 215 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: a transfer research sent back to Beijing. The FBI has 216 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: called that one of the most significant threats to American 217 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 3: intellectual property and national security that we face. At its peak, 218 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: opening it Chinese. In a new Chinese counterintelligence case related 219 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 3: to thousand Thailants or the similar programs, one was open 220 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: every twelve hours. The cases that have been prosecuted are 221 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: stunning in the brazenness. Charles Lieber, the chair of Harvard's 222 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: Chemistry and Chemical Biological Biology department, he was getting paid 223 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: are you ready fifty thousand dollars per month by a 224 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: Chinese university plus over a million and a half dollars to 225 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 3: build a lab in China at the same time that 226 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: he was receiving federal funding from NIH and the DoD 227 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: and lying about it on his grand applications. At least 228 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: he got convicted. Song Guazing, a professor at Ohio State, 229 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: was arrested at an Anchorage airport literally trying to board 230 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: a flight to China because his university started asking some 231 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:08,479 Speaker 3: questions when the FBI arrested him in Anchorage. Two laptops, 232 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: three cell phones, USB drives, and deeds two property in China. 233 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: Keep being collecting an annual salary from the Chinese government 234 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 3: of roughly two hundred and fourteen thousand dollars while also 235 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 3: collecting his American university paycheck and millions in NIH grants. 236 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: He played guilty, he got thirty seven months in federal prison. 237 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: None zero zilch of the documented thousand talents prosecutions have 238 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: specifically named Colorado researchers yet. But here's the thing about 239 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 3: that the program, when it started attracting federal attention, they 240 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 3: just went underground. China stopped publishing the names of the 241 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: participants on his program web website, so research is affiliated 242 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 3: with the program started describing it from their own academic cvs. 243 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 3: Some were found to have maintained two separate cvs. I 244 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: got a resume here, a resume there, one for their 245 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 3: American employer and one for their Chinese employer. So absence 246 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 3: of a prosecution in Colorado is not evidence of the 247 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: absence of a Colorado problem. It may simply be evidence 248 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 3: that no one has looked hard enough yet. And here's 249 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 3: where the profile of CU Boulder's research becomes genuinely concerning 250 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 3: from a national security standpoint. The University of Colorado Boulder 251 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 3: is at the absolute forefront of quantum technology research. Arguably, 252 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 3: I think, one of the most strategically sensitive fields in 253 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 3: the world right now. Quantum computing that alone has the 254 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: potential to break virtually every existing encryption system, that protects 255 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 3: classified communications, that protects our financial networks, and the military 256 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 3: command and control structure. Quantum sensing can detect submarines, it 257 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: can detect underground facilities with unprecedented precision. The nation that 258 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:04,120 Speaker 3: achieves quantum supremacy first will have an enormous strategic advantage 259 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 3: over every other nation on this planet. And Boulder, Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, 260 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 3: with Quila NIST see you Boulder and a growing cluster 261 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 3: of quantum startups, is one of the most important nodes 262 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: in American quantum research. China's don't experts have identified Boulder 263 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: as a direct competitor to their national quantum program. You 264 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: might think, well, why would they name it as a competitor. 265 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: We can get a main SUMS maintained sum sibil it's 266 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 3: because Chinese Communist Party, by very definition of Communist Party, 267 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 3: lies all the time. They deflect all the time. So 268 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: why wouldn't they be doing that here? If you were 269 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 3: running Chinese intelligence, where would you focus your academic infiltration efforts? 270 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 4: Michael, I woke up wondering, You're thinking the big controversies 271 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 4: of the day were going to be whether you still 272 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 4: drive that old recked Beamer or if you drive a dyslexis. 273 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 4: But now I hear that the majority leaders in the 274 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 4: House and Senate are up to their same old garbage. 275 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 4: Nothing seems to change. 276 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm no longer driving the old beat up Beamer. 277 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 3: I'm driving a new Beamer. Yeah, I'm driving a new Beamer. 278 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 3: It did rain yesterday, are you okay? 279 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 280 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 3: I actually took that. I took it out in the rain. 281 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: Wow. 282 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 3: You know why, because they had part of the deal 283 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 3: was they were going to put the paint, protective film 284 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 3: and the ceramic coat on it for me, and so 285 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 3: I had finally gotten that done, and so I wanted 286 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 3: to see how how that did. And pretty amazing, pretty amazing, 287 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: And in fact, I thought about taking the car wash 288 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 3: after the program today. But it's supposed to rain or 289 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: snow I think on Thursday or Friday or something like that. 290 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 3: So no, no, I'm going to wait. So I want 291 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 3: to I want to test this out now. But I 292 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 3: have to admit I really am to go wash it 293 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 3: because I hate driving a dirty car, hate it, and 294 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: you hate driving a dirty car. 295 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 4: And I cannot remember the last time I took my 296 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 4: car to a car wash four years ago maybe. 297 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 3: Or the conversation we had about gout during the break. 298 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 3: Imagine that. So the golp ones have some side effects. Well, 299 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: if you know anybody's been taking glp ones, I know 300 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 3: several people. Of course they have side effects. I just 301 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 3: never thought that gout would be one of them. And 302 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 3: having had gout once in my life, like I don't know, 303 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: forty or fifty years ago, I feel sorry for anyone 304 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 3: who ever gets out. Oh my god, it was awful, awful, awful. 305 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 3: Now I want you to think about this question. We're 306 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 3: gonna go from gout back to the Chinese Communist Party 307 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: because they're like gout, they're a pain in this country. 308 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 3: Where would you focus your academic infiltration efforts? The poetry department, 309 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 3: the English department, sociology department. No, so when you talk 310 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 3: about one hundred and twenty seven million dollars in international 311 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 3: partnerships at SeeU Boulder, and we acknowledged that the university 312 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: had failed to fully disclose that foreign funding. And we 313 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 3: understand that the research being conducted there is among the 314 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 3: most streets strategically sensitive in the entire country. This new 315 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 3: education slash state department effort at transparency is it bureaucratic housekeeping? 316 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 3: I think it's an attempt to close a security gap 317 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 3: that has been gaping open for decades. And see you 318 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 3: Boulder knew it. How could the professors, How could the 319 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: administrators not understand what was really going on here? So 320 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 3: here's what this new system that Trump's put in place 321 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 3: actually does. They launched and Dragon, you might want to 322 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 3: write this down and put up on Michael says, go 323 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: here dot com foreign funding higher ed dot gov foreign 324 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 3: funding higher ed dot gov. That's a public portal, you me, hey, Torondo, 325 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 3: journalists you too, yeah, Channel two four seven nine thirty one. 326 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 3: You guys could all go look at this, or maybe 327 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 3: a congressional investigator you could go look at it, and 328 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 3: you can find out which universities are receiving what from whom. 329 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: Now The twenty twenty five data, which was just updated, 330 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 3: shows five point two billion dollars in reported foreign gifts 331 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 3: and contracts in a single year across more than eighty 332 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: three hundred transactions cumulatively. Since the reporting requirement was first 333 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 3: enacted in nineteen eighty six, the university's universities have now 334 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 3: reported a total of sixty seven point six billion dollars 335 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 3: in foreign funded not just Chinese, just generally foreign funding. 336 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 3: Two billion of the twenty twenty five disclosures were filed 337 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 3: late in violation the statute. Harvard, for its part, has 338 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 3: disclosed receiving more money from counter parties in countries of concern, 339 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: you know, Communist countries than any other university in the 340 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 3: entire country. So now this new partnership between the Department 341 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 3: of Education and the Department of State adds another layer, 342 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 3: using the State Department's expertise in identifying foreign entities of concern, 343 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 3: their designation of problematic actors, and their intelligence resources to 344 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 3: help the Department of Education. You know, maybe I finally 345 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 3: found one thing the Department of Education does. It's actually 346 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 3: good now. They haven't been doing it for the past 347 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 3: sixty five years, and I know they haven't been in 348 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: business that long. But since Carter created it, or yeah, 349 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: if Carter created it, Reagan was going to get rid 350 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 3: of it, as was there. You know another example there, 351 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 3: Every other president since Reagan has wanted to get well Biden, 352 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 3: not you know, Clinton, but they all wanted to, you know, 353 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 3: get rid of the Department of ED. Every Republican can't 354 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 3: even do that. You can't even I'm telling you it's 355 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 3: metastatic cancer. You can't get rid of it. Anyway. Back 356 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 3: to what they're doing that's going to help the Department 357 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: of the Department of ED flag not just who's giving 358 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 3: the money, but whether the people giving the money have 359 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: known connections to Chinese government programs, or to military civil 360 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 3: fusion initiatives or state controlled enterprises. And here's where I 361 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 3: want to be precise about something because I think it 362 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 3: matters and I and I want to be fair too. 363 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: Not every Chinese gift to an American university is espionage, 364 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 3: and not every Chinese student is a spy. Not every 365 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: international collaboration is a national security threat. I do believe 366 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: that some Chinese American scientists have made enormous contributions to 367 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: American science and to our national security with the thousand talents. 368 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 3: Prosecution record has actually kind of mixed. Some cases collapsed 369 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: because the Department of Justice could not prove that the 370 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 3: researchers intended to do anything harmful, or it collapsed because 371 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: the disclosure rules were genuinely ambiguous. And the FBI has 372 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 3: faced I think legitimate criticism that some of its investigations 373 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 3: created a climate of suspicion around researches of Chinese descent 374 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 3: that went well beyond what the evidence supported. But here's 375 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: the distinction that has got to be made, and I 376 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 3: would make this argument to anybody. There's a fundamental difference 377 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 3: between a Chinese American physicist who did his graduate work, 378 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: say at cal Tech, and chooses to collaborate with colleagues 379 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: at Peking University on some published research. There's a difference 380 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 3: between that guy and a researcher who is secretly on 381 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 3: the payroll of a Chinese government talent recruitment program while 382 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 3: at the same time getting millions in NIH grants and 383 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: not disposing any of it on his federal applications. The 384 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 3: first one, I would say is academic freedom. The second 385 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 3: is just outright fraud. And the problem is that for years, 386 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: decades now American universities have been perfectly content. Let's just 387 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 3: don't look closely enough because we don't want to know 388 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 3: the difference because the money was good and asking hard moneies, 389 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: asking hard questions, well, that's going to make the money 390 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 3: stop flowing. Now that's not academic freedom, that's motivated blindness. 391 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 3: Now the Biden administration, for its part, honestly made this 392 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 3: situation worse. In its first weekend office, it rescinded the 393 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 3: designation of the Confucius Institutes as foreign missions, so that 394 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 3: reversed the Trump directive. It moved enforcement of Section one 395 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 3: seventeen from the Office of General Counsel, where lawyers with 396 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 3: national security expertise lived and who had the clearances lived, 397 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 3: and instead moved it to the Federal Student Aid Office 398 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 3: because they handle pilgrims, they handle the you know that 399 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 3: federal application form for you know student aid. Well, that 400 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 3: stupid office. They're not equipped to evaluate Chinese government funding networks. 401 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 3: Probably nobody there even has an even as a clearance. 402 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 3: So what did that get us? 403 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: Hey, Michael, so supposedly you have a good argument about 404 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: why we shouldn't have term limits are regardless of how 405 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: bad these people are at their jobs. I would love 406 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: to hear why in short, because I don't want you 407 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: chasing rabbits too long. 408 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 3: Very simply put, you empower the deep state. You empower 409 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 3: the ability of the administrative state to control everything because 410 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: the people that don't have institutional knowledge and institutional history 411 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 3: get turned over so often that all the institutional history 412 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 3: and knowledge reverts to the administrative state. So the bureaucrats 413 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 3: will essentially run everything in the legislative branch, and in 414 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 3: the executive branch it'll go even further because they have 415 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 3: no oversight whatsoever. The newly elected people in our new 416 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 3: turnover of every eight years or twelve years or whatever 417 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 3: number of people decide on means that you have to 418 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: rely even more on those bureaucrats to understand a how 419 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: things work, what the programs really do, whether they're really 420 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 3: a thank you for not and what you can and 421 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 3: cannot do as a legislator, House or Senate. You empower 422 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 3: the deep state way beyond anything they could even imagine. 423 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 3: So back to this thing about all this Chinese infusion 424 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 3: of money. At least we're rebuilding the oversight structure. The 425 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 3: new portal I told you about uses sixty one percent 426 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 3: more data points than the old system, and now it 427 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: flags gifts and contracts from entities that are designated as 428 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 3: concerns by the State Department. But for Colorado specifically, here's 429 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 3: what I think matters. SeeU Boulders Research Enterprise seven hundred 430 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: and sixty six million dollars in sponsored research just last year, 431 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 3: is indeed a genuine national asset. The quantum market at 432 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 3: HILA and the National Quantum NanoFab, the aerospace research at SMEDE, 433 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 3: the Atmospheric and Space science at LASP, the AI programs, 434 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: the biotech research out it and shoots. All of it 435 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: represents decades of investment by American taxpayers, Coloraal taxpayers, private donors, 436 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: and it represents the intellectual infrastructure of American technological advantage. 437 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 3: China doesn't give six billion dollars to American universities because 438 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 3: they think the campus is beautiful. They give it because 439 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 3: they've identified certain American universities as the most cost effective 440 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 3: way to acquire advanced knowledge and research that would take 441 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 3: them decades and hundreds of billion of dollars to develop 442 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 3: on their own, and they can just steal it or 443 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: just acquire it from us. Because Americans love money and 444 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 3: too many professors are willing to take the double dip 445 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 3: and to cheat this country. So the appropriate response is 446 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 3: not to close off American universities to the world, or 447 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 3: to treat every foreign student as a suspect, or to 448 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 3: abandon the tradition to scientific collaboration. The appropriate response is 449 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 3: exactly what's happening now. Transparency. You get accountability and the 450 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 3: recognition that when national security interests and academic financial interest conflict, 451 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 3: well then dud. National security wins full stop. And for 452 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 3: the administrators in Colorado, this new partnership should be a 453 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: wake up call. Your free pass is gone. The era 454 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 3: of reporting whatever was convenient while pocketing the rest is done. 455 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 3: The portal is public, the data is public, and see 456 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 3: you Boulder any other institution. If you're getting significant money 457 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 3: from Chinese government connective sources while simultaneously housing research relevant 458 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 3: to the American military or to our intelligence capabilities, or 459 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 3: to anything in the private sector that has a national 460 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 3: security aspect to it, I want people asking questions. And 461 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: for Colorado taxpayers, the messages is pretty simple. You have 462 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 3: a right to know. You fund these colleges and universities 463 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 3: through your taxes tuition, and you deserve to know whether 464 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 3: the research being conducted with your money, research that in 465 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: many cases also supported by federal grants, is being systematically 466 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 3: mined by a foreign adversary that has explicitly stated its 467 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 3: intention to surpass us technologically and militarily by mid century. 468 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 3: So wake up, six billion dollars, Wake up and pay attention.