1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: It's nice, I'm good News radio. 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 2: But we are going to get back to the whole 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: question of Iran probably at ten o'clock. There was a 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: lot of movement on that today. Some thing's in the 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: good directions, some things in the bad direction. But the 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 2: bottom line is the so called peace talks, if you 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 2: want to characterize them as that are still scheduled for 8 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon in Islamabad, Pakistan. But we're going to talk 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: about a local issue here because frankly, for the last 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: few nights we have avoided local issues simply because the 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: Iran story is such a huge story. It was settled 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: down a little bit today. The stock market came back 13 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: after a big day yesterday. Normally, when you have a 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: big day, the stock market has to take some profits 15 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: the next day. But they started lower and then came 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: back up because it became a parent that Israel is 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: going to, I guess, be willing to talk with the 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: Lebanese government in terms of how they're going to deal 19 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 2: with the Hesbala situation. But we'll get to that in 20 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 2: a couple of moments. Well, actually we'll get to that 21 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: no sooner than ten o'clock because I hope this this 22 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 2: issue which we're about to raise is going to be 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: of interest locally. The Massachusetts House of Representatives yesterday approved 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 2: a bill now again. In order for something to become 25 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 2: law in Massachusetts, it has to pass both the House 26 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: and Senate. Uh and if similar versions of a bill 27 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: on a subject, if there are two versions, if there's 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: any difference at all in the language, those differences have 29 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: to be reconciled so that both both portions of the 30 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: legislature of the House and Senate passed an identical bill 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: that's and oftentimes doesn't happen until late in the session, 32 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: and then goes to the governor's desk for his or 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: her signature. In this case, we'll be governor heally. So anyway, 34 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: here's what the bill did. And this had overwhelming Democratic support, 35 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: which is fine. The vote was one hundred and twenty 36 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: nine to twenty five. There were a couple of members 37 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:21,839 Speaker 2: from each party who voted in the opposite direction. There 38 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: were some actually, I guess there were two Democrats Erica 39 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: kind it's a tough name to pronounce, Ita Hooven, I'm 40 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: not sure where she's from, and Mike Conley. They voted 41 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: against the bill. Although one hundred and twenty three Democrats 42 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: voted for it, and two Republicans, Norman Orau and Marcus Vaughan. 43 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: I know Marcus Vaughan. He represents some of the communities 44 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: in the southwest portion outside the city. They voted for 45 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: the bill, so for the most part it was along 46 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: party lines, and that is not my point. My point 47 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: is their legislation basically would bar children under the age 48 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: of fourteen from using social media and in addition, require 49 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: a bell to bell band on cell phones in public schools. Now, 50 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: the Senate last summer approved the cell phone band. I 51 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: happen to think that that's a good idea, and that 52 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: to say the kids when you go to school, you're 53 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: going to school for school. You're not going to school 54 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: to be hanging around on a cell phone or talking 55 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: with anyone. And the schools will have to come up 56 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: with a system whereby the cell phones are put. I 57 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: guess they're going to put them in cell phone pouches 58 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: or something. You can't stop a kid from bringing his 59 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: cell phone to school, but once they enter school, if 60 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: they don't have it, they have to be honest and 61 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 2: they have to hand it over. And I guess they 62 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 2: maybe they'll have to buy a pouch or something. But 63 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: that that's just that's just a procedural question. However, what 64 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 2: the House did in addition to agreeing with the Senate 65 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: on beanning what they call bell to bell being on 66 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: cell phones in school? Okay, and that would be for 67 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: I guess pre K right up through graduation from high school. 68 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: I think that's a good idea. I'd love to know 69 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: if you agree with me or disagree with me on that. 70 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: That's number one. But number two, the House, as I said, 71 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: went further and they passed a ban on children at 72 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: any age from using social media. Now, how they are 73 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: going to enforce that initiative, I don't have a clue. 74 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 2: Under the House bill, according to Boston dot Com, children 75 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 2: under fourteen would be blocked from using social platforms entirely, 76 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 2: while fourteen and fifteen year olds would need parental permission. 77 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: Users sixteen and older would face no limits. Now, it's 78 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: going to be up to the Senate to deal with 79 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: that at some point later this summer. This Senate session, 80 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: or this legislative session will end sometime later this year. 81 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: At anything that hasn't been reconciled and passed by both 82 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: houses dies and has to start anew when the new 83 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: legislature is seated and won't be a you know, it's 84 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: when the newly elected the legislature would be elected in November. 85 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: But the point is this, here's my point, and I 86 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: want to hear you. I want to hear from you 87 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 2: on this. First of all, how how will how is 88 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: this going to be enforced? Are they going to send 89 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: monitors into people's homes. If some kid wants to get 90 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: on to Instagram or wants to get on to X, 91 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: or wants to get on to Meta aka Facebook or whatever, 92 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: I assume that they could say to their parents in 93 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: the in the privacy of their own home, gee, can 94 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: you can I use your password to get on? It 95 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: seems to me this is a big overreach. Now, we 96 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: did reach out to one of the sponsors of the 97 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 2: bill because I wanted to ask some of those questions 98 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 2: of the sponsor of the House version, but unfortunately the 99 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: sponsor of the House version was unable to be with 100 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: us tonight. I don't know if they had a meeting 101 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: at nine o'clock or if they just didn't want to 102 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: come on the show. The point is this, okay, whether 103 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: or not kids under the age of fourteen or for 104 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: that matter, under the age of sixteen, but really we'll 105 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: focus on fourteen and under. Whether those kids should be 106 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: on any social media websites, that's the parent's responsibility. It's 107 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: not the state's responsibility. It's not the commonwealth's responsibility. It's 108 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: not the police department's responsibility. It's the responsibility of the parents. 109 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 2: If you're old enough and smart enough to bring kids 110 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: into the world. I think the responsibility of how they 111 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: act and what they do. And we're finding more and 112 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: more on some of these cases where kids have gone 113 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: into school and massacred other kids with guns that the 114 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: parents did not keep secure. There are some parents now 115 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: that are facing criminal charges for that. I just think 116 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: that this is a wild overreach by the legislature. It's 117 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: going to make them feel real good to go back 118 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: and talk to their constituents and say, well, we put 119 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: in the toughest regulations in the history with the very 120 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 2: progressive legislature at Massachusetts. But we put in the toughest 121 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: package of legislation that anyone ever could have imagined. And 122 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: it just seems to me that where are the parents. 123 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: The parents should know if their kids are on It's 124 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: the wild wild West. Okay, social websites, it's the wild West. 125 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: Once you have access to a computer and you have 126 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: no one looking over your shoulder, the world is your oyster. 127 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: You can go wherever you want, you can find whatever 128 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: you want. And the fact of the matter is that 129 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: the kids probably are smarter than the parents, because you 130 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: see kids who are utilizing their computers or their laptops 131 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 2: when this have it at eight years old that they 132 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: should be learning their alphabet and learning their numbers. That 133 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: was what they should be doing, not being And I 134 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: don't want I'm no fuddy done, okay, but the bottom 135 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 2: line is when will parents and when will legislatures legislators 136 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: say hey, look, we're not babysitting your kids. Okay, If 137 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 2: your kids are under the age of fourteen, and you 138 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 2: want to allow them to go on to your Facebook 139 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: page or your meta page or your X or Twitter 140 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: or whatever it's called these days, and the number Instagram whatever, 141 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 2: that's between you and your kids, we want no part 142 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 2: of it. I don't know how you would force this again. 143 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 2: Bill Clinton used to call it bait for the bubbers, 144 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: you know, basically, throw it out there and anybody named 145 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: Bubba don in Arkansas that's who Bill was talking to. 146 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: Keep it simple, make sure the bubbers could understand that 147 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 2: I was with them and they're going to vote for me. Well, 148 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: I don't know how many bubbers we have in Massachusetts. 149 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 2: But it's also bait for voters here who say, WHOA 150 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 2: Waly perfect good piece of legislation. It's it's a lousy 151 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: piece of legislation in my opinion. You can disagree or 152 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: you can agree. We're going to talk about it until 153 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 2: ten o'clock six one seven, two five four ten thirty 154 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 2: or six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. Love 155 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: to know what you think. Who is responsible for what 156 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 2: kids under the age of fourteen see on the internet, 157 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: the state or their parents. I had the revolutionary idea 158 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: that it is the parent's responsibility, and I suspect that 159 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: many of you do as well. We'll be back on 160 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: night Side right after a couple of brief messages. 161 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ Boston's 162 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: news radio. 163 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: All right, six one seven, two, four ten thirty. Those 164 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: lines are full if you want to get in six 165 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 2: one seven, nine three one ten thirty. The fundamental question 166 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 2: here is who is respond posible for the access to 167 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 2: social media for kids under the age of fourteen or 168 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: fourteen and under, however you want to phrase it, the government, 169 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: the state of Massachusetts, the state legislature, or parents, I 170 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 2: say parents. Let me go to Shane in Weymouth. Shane, 171 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: you were first this hour and nights. I go right ahead. 172 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: Hey again, thank you for having me. 173 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 4: So. 174 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: I actually think the number one question an issue for 175 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 3: anyone who has been following the child protection online laws 176 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 3: in Europe in Australia has been that this is a 177 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: trojan horse for essentially. 178 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 5: What is the Patriot Act Part two? 179 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 3: And what I mean by that is there has been not. 180 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 2: Many people in my audience, Shane, have been following the 181 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: acts of European or nations or Australia. So let's just 182 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: you know, I want to know what you tell me. 183 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 2: Why tell me why? 184 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 6: So? 185 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: I was just looking at the stats a moment ago 186 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 3: in the year, I want to say it was twenty 187 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 3: twenty three. In the UK alone, eighteen hundred people were 188 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: arrested for social media posts, and many of those people 189 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: are serving two years in prison for a post on 190 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: Facebook as milk toasters. I don't think immigrants that you 191 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 3: know don't work should be you know, prolacted. 192 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: That's that's political viewpoint, okay, And I would agree with 193 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: you on that that that people should not be arrested 194 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 2: for expressing a political viewpoint. But focus tonight for me, 195 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: if you would, And that is our legs. 196 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 3: It always it's always started as I don't. 197 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: Need the lecture on web how Shane. I'm very familiar 198 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 2: with this sort of stuff, okay, And I just don't 199 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: want to go into some libertarian rant here at this point. 200 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: I just want to talk about parental responsibility as. 201 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 3: Part of schools. I don't think cel phone should be 202 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 3: allowed in schools. 203 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: We agree on that. So let's move on to the 204 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: kids should who's responsible for seeing to what their ten 205 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: year old or their eight year old, or their twelve 206 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 2: year old or their thirteen year old is watching on 207 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 2: social websites? Who should be responsible for that? If anyone? 208 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 3: For the parents. But in the practical sense of if 209 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,479 Speaker 3: we need watchdog groups, they're always do this without implementing 210 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 3: a surveillance state, you know, deeper into our Information. 211 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 2: Act don't need, which is you know, I'm not going 212 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 2: to I am not going to say we need because 213 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 2: once you say you need some sort of a watchdog group. 214 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: At that point, you've opened the door. I think if 215 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 2: you're if you're old enough, if you're smart enough to 216 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 2: have a child or children, you need to be responsible 217 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: for what they're watching on television, what they're listening to 218 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 2: on the radio. Hopefully they are making their children listen 219 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: to Night Side. I'm only joking Chain, but they also 220 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: should be aware of what they're looking on any of 221 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: the social websites. Because the social websites are the wild 222 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: wild West. You can see anything you want on social websites, 223 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: and kids who are twelve and fourteen are smarter than 224 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 2: you and me probably and how to get to those websites. 225 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 2: And I think it's up to the parents. 226 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sure, things like Telegram that I don't even 227 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 3: have downloaded, that kids don't know how to do everything on. 228 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: I don't even want to give publicity to such web 229 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: to watch such websites. Shane, Look, I know you're you're 230 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: a libertarian, and I appreciate you. 231 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: Calling no, no, I'm not, I'm not, but you sure 232 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: soundine was groups that you know go after pen files, 233 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? That protects children and it's 234 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 3: a way to do it where a lot of it 235 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: is community led. It's not done by the government. And 236 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: there are you know, if the government, if the government. 237 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: Makes look if the government here's we're going to disagree. 238 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: If the government wants to go out to some group, 239 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: if there's some group out there, who is who is 240 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: trying to lure kids into whatever? Okay, I want the 241 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: government to focus on those groups and get those groups, 242 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: take those groups down. Okay, But I think to try 243 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 2: to focus and on kids, you're looking at the wrong 244 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: place as far as I'm concerned. 245 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 3: You know, the most disturbing thing I've seen about. 246 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Let me go next to Robin 247 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: and Wellesley. Robert, you're next on Nightsiger, right. 248 00:15:50,040 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 7: Ahead, good evening can really intricate topic. I think the 249 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 7: issue is education, education and training, and people need to 250 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 7: be taught about the rules of the road in order 251 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 7: to be able to make use of UH of technology responsibly. 252 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 7: I think there's a role for parents and g os 253 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 7: and government to to partner with with success here. And 254 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 7: and there's a just a structure already in place to 255 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 7: provide education, training and and even UH and even licensing. 256 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 7: So and what I'm referring to is the activity which 257 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 7: gave which gave rise to cell phones, computers, and uh 258 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 7: embroided technology, and that that has also util made productive 259 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 7: use of the of the internet. 260 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 6: Uh. 261 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 3: The uh. 262 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 7: The amateur radio activity is a well regulated activity. It's 263 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 7: it provides a stem subject that ken and is studied 264 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 7: in schools and I believe it and it provides a 265 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 7: cell phone alternative that I think should be exempt from 266 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 7: from from legislature. 267 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: Robert, you're talking about Ham radios, right. 268 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 7: And it has a lot more It has a lot 269 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 7: more relevance than that it might seem, Dan, But I 270 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 7: may be having difficulty getting that across. 271 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 2: No, I'm just trying to look here. I think most people, Robert, 272 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: understand Ham radios. And there are kids and people who 273 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: I know who as young people they became Ham radio 274 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 2: operators or whatever you want to whatever term you want 275 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 2: to use, and that led to them having a career 276 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:53,719 Speaker 2: as technicians in radio. So that's wonderful, But that's not 277 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is we 278 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: got the Internet. The Internet's not going away in my opinion, 279 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 2: Do you think it's going to go away? 280 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 4: No? 281 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 7: And good you've got you've got regulated, good regulated activity 282 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 7: on the Internet through organizations I hope I'm not. I 283 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 7: hope I'm not going off the subject, but such as 284 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 7: did I mention the American Radio Relay League an American organization? 285 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 7: It's it's that, you know, it's is a volunteer organization. 286 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 2: Someone American League sounds like a track and field organization. 287 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 2: I'm not. 288 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 7: It's a real partner with American Red Cross. 289 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, all of yeah. I think we're going 290 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 2: a little bit away from the conversation here, questions. 291 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 7: Can I just explained why I brought it up and quickly? 292 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 7: And that is you recall the time the legislation against 293 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 7: the use of cell phones on one driving and also 294 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 7: and and also there was a band placed on the 295 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 7: use of two way radios, but amateur radio operators were 296 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 7: exempt from that. And I'd like to suggest that. 297 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: Robert, you've got you've gone down four four dark alleys. 298 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 2: That are not what I want to talk about, because 299 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: my focus tonight, my focus tonight is this piece of legislation. 300 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 2: It's unworkable, it's unwieldy. I don't want the government going 301 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: in your house, my house and finding out, well, let 302 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: me look at your computer. Here, have your kids been 303 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 2: on your computer? Why were they on your computer. That's 304 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 2: that's what this law would theoretically lead to. So I 305 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 2: don't want to. 306 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 7: I wasn't I wasn't prepared well enough to respond to that. 307 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 7: But thank you for taking my call. 308 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: You betcha thanks, Robert, appreciate it. Here comes the news 309 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 2: at the bottom of the hour. Beat right back on 310 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: night Side. You have the number six one, seven, two, five, four, 311 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 2: ten thirty six, one, seven, nine, three thirty. 312 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on wz Boston's 313 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: news radio. 314 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling. You're going to go to David Brighton 315 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 2: next on Nightsager. 316 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 8: Right ahead, take my call, Dan. 317 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 4: I'm going to preface my argument by I really don't 318 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 4: know what's. 319 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 9: In the bill now. 320 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 4: The problem is with society as a whole. 321 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: By the way, just for the record, I have not 322 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: read the legislation as past. I've read several stories from 323 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: legitimate you know, groups that cover the State House, and 324 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: I'm I'm pretty sure I have the gist of the bill. 325 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 5: Go ahead, okay, okay, I'll say this. 326 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: There are a lot of single parents or both parents 327 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 4: working extra jobs whatever. 328 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 9: A twelve year old girl can have a baby, but 329 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 9: she's not ready emotionally mentally to deal with the predators 330 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 9: that are out there online trying to you know, loud 331 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 9: them in. So I think it's probably a good idea. 332 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 9: But if you remember the old Hogan's Hero show, what 333 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 9: did sageant? It show you to say, I see nothing, 334 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 9: And that's that's what it is. Like the second grader 335 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 9: and Swansea that brought a gun. 336 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: Into school the other day. You know, it's pot the 337 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 4: talents fault, but the kids will try and give them 338 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 4: an inch, they'll take a mile, they'll try and you know, 339 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 4: do whatever they can to. You don't see if they 340 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 4: can get away with it. 341 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 2: So understand. But I understand the point you're making. And yeah, 342 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: there are twelve year old girls that have babies. I 343 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 2: get that, okay, And there are also, I guess fifty 344 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 2: year old women who have babies, and they tend to 345 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: be the exception. The point that I'm trying to make 346 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: is pretty simple, uh, and that is you cannot legislate 347 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 2: what fourteen year old kids will or will not see 348 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: on the internet. You cannot. You do not have enough 349 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 2: police officers to put in the home of every child 350 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: or children or home with children under the age of 351 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 2: fourteen to monitor what's going on. It's up to the parents, 352 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: and I just think we have abdicated that responsibility and 353 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: legislation like this is ineffective. It's great for the state 354 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 2: legislators toys to go back to the district and say, 355 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 2: I've voted in favor of a piece of legislation which 356 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 2: will prevent prevent fourteen year olds from people under the 357 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 2: age of fourteen being on social media and being expellowed. Well, 358 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 2: all that's great for them, but it does nothing for 359 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 2: the kids. And it basically is it's it's a canard, 360 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 2: that's all, nothing more. 361 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 4: There's no way that they're going to get rid of 362 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 4: the internet. 363 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 2: I know that. I know that, and so who's going 364 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 2: to make sure that twelve year old kids or thirteen 365 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: year old kids or ten year old kids are not 366 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: on the internet. If not the parents, you're going to 367 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: put a cop in every house. 368 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 8: No, but on your phone. 369 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 4: There's pretty much you can get internet on your phone, 370 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 4: and you can get access that way. 371 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 9: You don't have to, uh, you know, show an ID 372 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 9: or say are you still all I'm. 373 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: Just saying, yes, you're you're you're supporting my argument here 374 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: in every home. Now you have or most homes you 375 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 2: have computers. I mean laptops. People have laptops. There are desktops, 376 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 2: there are television sets. It's like saying kids can't watch 377 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 2: TV after the age of after say nine o'clock at night. 378 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: How are you going to enforce that. 379 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of like now that they want 380 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 4: to kids are instead of in school, you're playing around 381 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 4: with your phone instead of learning, you know, so they 382 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 4: want to be in the phones from the classroom. 383 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 2: Beanning the phones from classrooms is a good idea, and 384 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: it's an ind an idea that's enforceable. You can say 385 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 2: to the kids when they come in, Okay, let's have 386 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 2: your phone. Let's have your phone. Let's have your phone, 387 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: and you can pick your phone up when the days over. 388 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 2: So there's that's rational that this is To me, it's 389 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: it's a it's a huge governmental overreach. 390 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 4: Good they're a good idea, but I don't know how 391 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 4: you can do it. 392 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: We're the same page, Dave, Dave, you and I had 393 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 2: no disagreement at this point. Thanks you bet you all right, 394 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Let we go next to Sam 395 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 2: and Bedford. Sam, you're next on nightside. 396 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 10: Welcome, Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call. 397 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 3: And yes, it's so. 398 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 10: It's I always feel it's a very kind of dicey subject. 399 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 10: I agree with you that we are giving kids a 400 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 10: device which has portal to the world and they can 401 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 10: see all kind of naughty, obnoxious and dangerous things. 402 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 5: Right, So yes, I. 403 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 10: Agree it's the prime responsibility is parents. Absolutely, there's no durability. 404 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 10: You get devices which restrict kids phones activities. You know, 405 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 10: I'm not going to name those providers, but most of 406 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 10: the primary providers, you know, the top three, they have 407 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 10: special applications. The parents need to install an enforce those, right, Yeah, 408 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 10: you have to pay a little bit extra money. But 409 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 10: on the same note, you know, just as you know 410 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 10: we don't allow kids the government has regulations. I think 411 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 10: it's a balance of both. The government has regulations where 412 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 10: we don't allow kids to buy cigarettes or alcohola to 413 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,479 Speaker 10: a certain age. There should be some mandate that. You know, 414 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 10: there has to be a balance, right, you know, Australia 415 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 10: does not allow any kids to have any presence of 416 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 10: the social network platforms. 417 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 5: So I think it's a balance. 418 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 10: But prime responsibilities parents Absolutely, I'm with you. 419 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: I'm with you totally, Sam, and I just think it's 420 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: also not possible for the government to enforce this, uh, 421 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 2: this this idea, I mean, unless you're going to put 422 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 2: a police officer in everyone's home. And I don't think 423 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 2: that's realistic either. 424 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 10: That's not scalable at all. Right, I mean putting a 425 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 10: police officer, you know so, I mean, and. 426 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 2: Who wants to live in? Who wants to live And 427 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: you're having here in your house? Well, good evening, officer. 428 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: How are you you have the kids? They're not watching 429 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 2: the internet, but thanks for being here. 430 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 10: I agree. This is the problem is you know, and 431 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 10: I feel to a certain extent, you know, we we 432 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 10: are in a society where we are allowed to have 433 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 10: kids without being kids ready. 434 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: You know. 435 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 10: So, so you know, you get a driving license and car, 436 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 10: but you go. 437 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 3: Through a driving license. 438 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 10: You get a gun, but you go through a process. 439 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 10: You you you go to an air you fly to 440 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 10: the air airplane. You need a real id, right, But 441 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 10: for this one, you know, you can produce kids without 442 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 10: ever being a mature adult and a what you call 443 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,959 Speaker 10: kid ready parent. You know that that aspect is missing. 444 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 10: I think it is. 445 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 2: You got it. As someone said, child rearing doesn't come 446 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 2: with a with a manual or a or a how 447 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: to guide they learn it. 448 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 8: You go right. 449 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 10: I used to have I did have kids when they 450 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 10: were in school and we are told them, how do 451 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 10: you get to this thing? 452 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: Oh? 453 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 10: One of my other friends told me how to use 454 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 10: a VP and bypass the antire e schools to get this. 455 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 5: You're eating me. 456 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, no, they're very resourceful. They're very resourceful. Sam. 457 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 2: I want to get one more in here before the break. 458 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend. We'll talk again. Call more often, 459 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 2: I miss you. Haven't called in weeks, Call more often? Okay, 460 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 2: thanks Sam. Sure to let me go to Katie and Milford. 461 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: Katie you next time? 462 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 8: Night said, welcome, Hi Dan, thank you. 463 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 11: You know you're talking about the parents I have. First 464 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,479 Speaker 11: of all, one hundred percent agree with you. It's nothing 465 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 11: that's enforceable. Nothing enforceable about it because you go to 466 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 11: websites where they say are you old enough to be here? 467 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 11: And you click yes and you're in, so that that 468 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 11: doesn't control you. And then my experience with parents, I'm 469 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 11: a parent of three. They're all in their thirties now. 470 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 11: But when my Space or whatever it was called, oh yeah, 471 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 11: I asked other parents please take pictures down that you've 472 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 11: put up there of my children. Your daughter put pictures 473 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 11: of my children on there. I don't want them on nexture. Oh, 474 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 11: it doesn't hurt anything. So if the parents aren't of 475 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 11: all of the same mindset, then the parental control is 476 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 11: almost moot as well. It doesn't help because, like the 477 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 11: last caller said, the kids get around it, and not 478 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 11: every parent is of the same mindset that they're dangerous 479 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 11: with what the kids are doing. 480 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 2: Well, and you can't stop that. I mean, there will 481 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: be some parents who probably will be a little bit 482 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 2: more open minded or whatever, and they don't care. I 483 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: think that's that's the way those kids are going to 484 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: be brought up, and that's what parents are supposed to do. 485 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 2: It comes back to the enforceability of this, and it's 486 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: great for the legislature to be able to go up 487 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: to their constituents and tell them what that We've passed 488 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 2: a piece of legislation that is going to change Massachusetts 489 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 2: and we're going to be in the lead here. And 490 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: the problem is, yay, lead people off a cliff. 491 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 11: It's lemmings. We're all lemmings. 492 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: Yes, Well, in Massachusetts, I think we are to be 493 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: honest with you. 494 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, but it wouldn't work and it's not enforceable. 495 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 11: And you know, parents need to educate themselves and have 496 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 11: a clue, and even educated parents don't always. 497 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 5: Have that clue. 498 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 2: So the kids are always ahead of the curve, always 499 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: ahead of the oh way. 500 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 11: Absolutely. So anyway, thank you for taking my call tonight. 501 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 2: Thanks become a more regular call, and well I really 502 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: enjoyed the conversation. 503 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 11: Thank you so much, great, thank you, Bye bye night. 504 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 2: All right, one line at six one, seven, two, five, 505 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 2: four ten thirty. We'll be back on night Side right 506 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 2: after this. If you're on the line, Pete, Carol, Henry 507 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 2: and John, you're going to get in and trust me 508 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: on that, and there's room for at least one more 509 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty. 510 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm deelling you Boston's News Radio. 511 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna go next. Let's go to John is 512 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 2: in Lowell, John, you and next on nights I want 513 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 2: to get you and three more in here. JOHNA right ahead, 514 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: what's your thought? 515 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 6: Hi, Dan mau. While I'm an engineer and I work 516 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 6: for communications internet company, so I've also raised four kids 517 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 6: of the Internet age. So number one is I actually 518 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 6: do support this bill. The owners should be on the 519 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 6: companies the applications such as Facebook, TikTok where they do 520 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 6: and are held responsible for only allowing accounts people open 521 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 6: up accounts that can prove their age. This isn't going 522 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 6: about going in the home and regulating access to Google 523 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 6: search engines like some of your callers have alluded to. 524 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 6: This is holding the applications, the moneymakers who developed the 525 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 6: algorithms that hook you in and are especially designed to 526 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 6: suck you in and keep you online, to regulate just 527 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 6: who accesses those applications. 528 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: Okay, but here's my question. But here's my question. Okay, 529 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 2: So let's assume that there's a parent who feels that 530 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: there's a benefit for his kid to have access to 531 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 2: the Internet when he's ten, so he signed. 532 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 6: This isn't just access to DAN, This isn't just access 533 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 6: to me Internet. This is geared towards social media applications. 534 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 2: I know I'm using I'm using the word internet meaning 535 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: including all the social media websites. So the parent should 536 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: be responsible. If let's say some kids said, hey, look, 537 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 2: I'm a really big sports fan and I want to 538 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: be able to get to ESPN and I want to 539 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 2: be able to you know, see out of town games 540 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 2: or whatever. Okay, whatever, it's up to the parent. What 541 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: are you going to do If some parent says, you know, 542 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: I'm going to here's my password. You can go in 543 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 2: and you can use the computer. You know, after you 544 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 2: get your homework done, what are you going to do 545 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: have a raid in the house to find out that 546 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: somehow there's a ten year old using the internet. This 547 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 2: is unenforceable in my opinion. 548 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 6: Well, no, that's easy to if a parent and once again, 549 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 6: you don't need access to social networking Facebook or TikTok 550 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 6: to watch or keep track of sports. That's not a 551 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 6: good analogy. And if a parent really want But if the. 552 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: Just says I trust, what are you John? If the 553 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: parent says, I trust my kid, my kids is is 554 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 2: going to use this responsibly and I'm giving them my password? 555 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: You know they do it in the. 556 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 6: City different because when a parent gives a kid access 557 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 6: to their account, the parent has full access to the 558 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 6: account and can see what the kid is doing. If 559 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 6: a kid opens his own account, that may be not 560 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 6: aware of the parent. Because a kid can load an 561 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 6: app on his phone without a parent being aware of it. 562 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 6: That's something that's beyond the. 563 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 2: Parental I think the kid will lie. 564 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 6: I'm not saying that will kid if. 565 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: The kid wants to load the app on his phone 566 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: or load the app on the computer in his room. 567 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 2: Do you think when they say are you definitely over 568 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 2: the age of fourteen? What do you think the kid's 569 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: going to do? The twelve year are going to say? 570 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 9: No? 571 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 8: No, there are more. 572 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 6: The regulations in the laws are going to dictate more 573 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 6: than just simple yes or no answer. They're going to 574 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 6: ask for a proof. And that's why there's concerns about. 575 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 2: The how do you John, John, you you apparently know this. 576 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 2: How do you prove your age? What do you say? 577 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 2: And to your birthday? 578 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 6: What you do is and this is one of the 579 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 6: concerns about the bill. If you read about it, it 580 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 6: would say one of these bills is the bill. People 581 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 6: are concerned about the amount of information that people are 582 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 6: going to have to provide to prove their age, and 583 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 6: it opens up a privacy, uh conundrum. And you know 584 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 6: how to do it. But other countries are doing. 585 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 2: This, well, you know what, just because John, I don't 586 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 2: buy that. If you know I think the United States 587 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 2: can handle their own situations. I'm just some I'm just 588 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 2: something who believes in parents. And John, I got three 589 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 2: others behind you. John, I'm glad you called and thank 590 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 2: you for your expertise, but I got three others who 591 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 2: I want to get in here. 592 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 6: You're being very closed minded, Dan, I just. 593 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 2: Spent four minutes with you, and I get you disagree 594 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: with me, and you hang up and you want to 595 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: call me closed minded. Good. Oh, well that's his problem, 596 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 2: not mine. Pete in South Carolina, Hey, Pete, sorry, I 597 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 2: took so much time with the call it before. 598 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 5: I didn't know you were closed minded. 599 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: Well, I guess I spent too much time with him 600 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: yet four minutes. 601 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,439 Speaker 5: Yes, the reason, the reason I called. And uh, as 602 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 5: you know, I'm a year older than you are, and 603 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,439 Speaker 5: we've been around. We had sports after school, we had 604 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 5: teachers that dave out homework, uh that had to be checked, 605 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 5: had to be done, had to be studied. Maybe your 606 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 5: mom or your dad helped you with your math. I 607 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 5: don't know, But in today's environment, there's a lot of 608 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 5: single parents, there's a lot of single parents that work 609 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 5: two jobs. But I mean, sociologically, I can't see a 610 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 5: cop in every house. 611 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 2: That's it. 612 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 5: But you're closed minded. I'm sorry, but I love you dearly. 613 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 2: All right, Well you're the best man. I'm sorry. I'm 614 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 2: sorry it took so long with John. He was he 615 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 2: wanted to another time, another time. Not a problem. 616 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,959 Speaker 5: You know all this and all the time. 617 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: But you bet a call before you before our birthdays. 618 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 2: Remember that, Okay, I know. 619 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 6: You. 620 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 2: We're gonna go next to I got Henry and Sutton 621 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: and Carolyn Randolph. Henry got about a minute for you, 622 00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,959 Speaker 2: in about a minute for Carol. What's on your mind? 623 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 1: Yeah? 624 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,800 Speaker 8: These people are These people are hypocris. The doctor Jacko 625 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 8: and mister Hyde. We had to pull our grandkids out 626 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 8: of school in sudden, my son. These people are sending 627 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 8: drag queens to the school to do shows. They had 628 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 8: a what do you call it? A career day at school? 629 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 8: How to be a drag queen? These people are the 630 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 8: state legislature are crazy. And how the telling you can't 631 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,840 Speaker 8: have your kids or on the computer on the telephone. 632 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 8: These people are hypocrits. 633 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I am with you on all counts here. 634 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 8: This is nuts. I mean, what are they doing to 635 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 8: the children. I'm trying to get my son out of here. 636 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 8: I mean, we got to win to home in Tucson, 637 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 8: but my daughter in lost six, so we came back 638 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 8: to help with the grandkids. We pulled them out of 639 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 8: school four because we had drag queens stuff. They are 640 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 8: to be out of their mind. The guy was dancing 641 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 8: around in pink underwear from one of the kids. These 642 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 8: people are nuts. 643 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:06,200 Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. Well you know, I'm sure with you around, 644 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 2: there'll be others. Well he just hung up. But that's okay, Carol. 645 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 2: I got a little bit more time for you, Carol. 646 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 2: You were next on NIGHTSAG go right ahead, Carol. 647 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 12: Oh hey, Dan, I completely agree with you. It is 648 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 12: totally up to the parents, and you get to stay 649 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 12: one and ten steps ahead. 650 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 5: Of these kids, no doubt. 651 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,919 Speaker 12: I mean I learned it. My kids are older now, 652 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,720 Speaker 12: but I learned it that I was doing laundry downstairs. 653 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 12: My son was staying on his Xbox and I hear 654 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 12: this older man with a French accent. I was like, 655 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,000 Speaker 12: who is that? He says, Oh, Mom, I'm talking to 656 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 12: him through the xbox. He's playing with me on the xbox. 657 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 12: I was like, I had no idea that could happen. 658 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 2: And my son wanted to get grin theft auto I 659 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 2: did a little investigation on he was probably fourteen grin 660 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 2: theft auto. And I have a brother who's from a 661 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 2: state police officer, state police lieutenant. There was no way 662 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 2: my son was going to go get Graham's theft auto. 663 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 2: And we had we had plenty of good conversations about that. 664 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 2: He understood where I was coming from, that's for sure. 665 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 12: I said to my son, I said, who are you 666 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,000 Speaker 12: talking to? He said, oh, it's this guy in France. 667 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 12: I said, no, no, this is not happening in my house. 668 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 12: And it's entirely up to the parents because the kids 669 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,240 Speaker 12: will find a way. Absolutely, We're not on top of them, 670 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,400 Speaker 12: like this is just posturing political posture and this is nonsense. 671 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 2: You got it. You got it, Carol. A great call 672 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 2: to finish on. I appreciate it so much. We'll talk again. 673 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Carol, Thanks night, good night, and I 674 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 2: am not closed minded at all. Nora, you thank you much. Okay, 675 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 2: we're done for this hour. That was a good hour. 676 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 2: I want to talk about Iran on the other side. 677 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,479 Speaker 2: We'll we'll take a break. Here comes the news coming 678 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 2: back at you. Right after the news