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Speaker 1: Well, she sneaks around the world shouting in the world, no.

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Speaker 2: Nanny, this wild Avengers dame, and whoever this commentator is

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Speaker 3: Okay, interesting a sound bite referring to our our guest.

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Speaker 3: I wonder how Luigi will take it. Will he take

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Speaker 1: Which way do you go?

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Speaker 4: Louis, Well, I take it as a compliment. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's the ticket. That's I hadn't even thought of that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you record.

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Speaker 1: What you could do is.

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Speaker 3: Record yourself and then that way you don't actually have

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Speaker 3: to be talking. It's hard to fall asleep while you're talking,

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Speaker 3: but it would be your voice putting you to sleep.

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Speaker 3: How good is that?

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Speaker 4: See you taught me there, that's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Send.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we got to send you some of your podcasts

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Speaker 6: with Dan. Yeah, the chillis dude on the planet, lou Nannie,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you find that?

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Speaker 4: The traveling secretary Dominic Henny his wife send it to Minneapolis.

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Speaker 4: We got thousands of falls on this in this comments.

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Speaker 1: That's too good.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what TikTok is, so I'm not into that,

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Speaker 3: We played a team that was struggling offensively even more

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 4: Yes, they hadn't scored a goal and we got into

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Speaker 4: But the fact was they got one. You would expect

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Speaker 4: The Wild were just moving their feet continually. They were

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Speaker 4: I think that had there not been these injuries that

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Speaker 3: We appreciate their fine support for this segment. Will remind

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Speaker 3: many of you have regarding hockey questions for Luigi and

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Speaker 4: Well, it is. It is a balancey knck. But I

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Speaker 4: They're telling tickets in New York Lower bowls one hundred

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Speaker 1: That's a very fair point.

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Speaker 3: That's very true college hockey question for you. I think

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Speaker 3: ask me why man Cato has been passed over for

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Speaker 3: Saying, with college hockey for a second, give me your

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Speaker 4: Well, it's kids learning only the wild. We're talking about

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Speaker 4: And you're not going to learn this game overnight. And

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Speaker 4: I really believe they're going to be much better than

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Speaker 1: Awesome, tell me about it. Give me a Scotty report.

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Speaker 4: Well, the Jersey's really fast, really fast, and they have

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Speaker 3: You know, you do a good job of staying connected

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Speaker 4: Oh a lot. That's an excellent question. That it's like

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Speaker 1: Easy to do.

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Speaker 3: I you know, I don't even know where to begin.

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Speaker 3: People are trying to decide where does that performance rank.

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Speaker 4: What is the best picture from that night that you

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Speaker 4: to LA American League, I'm Detroit Tigers, National League, I'm

436
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 4: a Los Angeles Dodgers. So now I've been you know,

437
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 4: I followed the Dodgers, and I mean, I can't believe

438
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 4: on much money they spent. But this guy in seven

439
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 4: hundred million. But my god, last night after the game,

440
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 4: we all went to they had food for us back

441
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 4: at the hotel and we got the game on, and

442
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 4: I'm I'm actually excited that Toronto's going to win because

443
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 4: Toronto has once it's what ninety three, and to have

444
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 4: that series Toronto and the Dodgers, and I still got

445
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 4: a cheer for the Dodgers. Everybody said, well, you know

446
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 4: he's from Canada. You gotta love Toronto. I like Toronto,

447
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 4: but I love the Dodger and I'm really looking forward

448
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 4: to that just to watch this guy because I can't

449
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 4: I can't understand. How would you have a better performance

450
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 4: in any sport? Well can you do? How can you?

451
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 4: This kind of stuff hasn't happened with Babe Ruver. Yes,

452
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 4: when somebody's been pitching his like that, and here you're

453
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 4: not only pitches. He gets sent strikeouts and then he

454
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 4: hit three in one of the stadiums. It's crazy.

455
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: Well what impresses me, louis you know we're in an

456
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: era in all sports where everything specialized, right, more specialized

457
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: than it's ever been. Sometimes, I think to a sports detriment.

458
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: But this guy is so talented that he rendered all

459
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: the new rules moot.

460
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

461
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: They said, it doesn't matter that no, no, no, you

462
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: do one thing or the other. Those days are over

463
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: where you might have played around back and forth. But

464
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: this guy is so extraordinary.

465
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: That none of that.

466
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 3: No one's even arguing that any longer at that point

467
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: can't even be made with a straight face.

468
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: That's how good he is.

469
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:25,639
Speaker 4: I asked myself, is he the best professional athlete that

470
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 4: I've seen? That's where it goes to because Gretky's been

471
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 4: unbelievable and hockey, and Jordan's been unbelievable and in basketball.

472
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 4: But are they better than Otani in paseball? This is

473
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 4: crazy because they're doing two things where the other. You know,

474
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 4: they all were great at their sport. I can't believe

475
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 4: that this guy can fish to weet fishes and hit

476
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 4: the we hits and play it as he does.

477
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Speaker 3: I don't know, appreciate you have fun on the road trip,

478
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 3: have fun putting people.

479
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: No, well, it's putting peop to sleep. But there was

480
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: a nice one. Oh here, one more reminder. Let's listen.

481
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: Let's make this is an individual talk.

482
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: According to TikTok, who was listening to Luigi on the

483
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: Wild TV broadcast.

484
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 2: I've seen this Wild Arangers game, and whoever this commentator is,

485
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: is like the chillest dude on the planet. Like he's

486
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: borderline putting me to sleep. I don't know who this

487
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: guy is, but here it is.

488
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: That's so good dude on the planet. That's too good.

489
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 6: I told him that was Friday night state tournaments. I'm

490
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 6: watching Hill Murray moorehead. I fall asleep, I wake up.

491
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 6: They're in overtime. Louis mad and it's the best. It's

492
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Speaker 6: the best.

493
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Speaker 1: I said the.

494
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: Same thing in the letter I wrote for the Hall

495
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 3: of Fame to get you in that Hall of Fame.

496
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: Thing man, the soothing nature, and it is ironic because

497
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: you are obviously when you watch games, you're not commentating him.

498
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: You're all over the place. I've been in those rooms

499
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 3: with you, and it's it's entertaining. You ain't exactly chill.

500
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 6: There's still a broken table at the X, but the

501
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 6: voice during broadcast, it's exactly that.

502
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: It is very very chill, There's no doubt about it.

503
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 3: Have fun with your favorite hockey team, and well, great

504
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 3: stuff as always.

505
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: Well chat next week, Thank.

506
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 4: You, see you next week.

507
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 3: Thanks Luis here, Luigi lu Nanny, brought to you by

508
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: our good friends at Camps. I mentioned we're going to

509
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: go a section after a busy first ninety minutes in

510
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: the toy department. We're always appreciative when our next guest

511
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: stops by to see us, and that indeed is Andy Lueger,

512
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: the former US Attorney for the state of Minnesota. He

513
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: is coming up next, largely to talk about an op

514
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: ed piece that's getting a lot of attention that he

515
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: wrote or that was published in the Start Tribune over

516
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 3: the weekend. We'll probably get to some other items, as

517
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: we often do with Andy as.

518
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: Well when we return.

519
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: You know, almost every time we have our next guest

520
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 3: on the subjects are fairly serious, and that might lend

521
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 3: to the notion that people think God is everything about

522
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 3: Andy Lueger serious?

523
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean, is he.

524
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 3: Ever does he get out ever? Does he ever do?

525
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 3: Does he smile? Does he crack a smile? Does he

526
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 3: ever go to a concert? Does he ever see a game?

527
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: So maybe we should re establish some of your these

528
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: parameters there before we get into the more serious stuff.

529
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 3: So people do know that you do make it a

530
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,399
Speaker 3: point to try to get out from a lot of

531
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 3: the serious stuff in order probably to keep.

532
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: Your sanity right. Well, I have other interests.

533
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 3: Yes, you do have other interests, including apparently going to every.

534
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: Concert recently, is that correct?

535
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 5: McCartney Friday Night in Elvis Costello last night. I been

536
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 5: in Elvis Costello fan literally from the day he burst

537
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 5: onto the scene in nineteen seventy seven. And McCartney's McCartney

538
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 5: So yes, and then a Vikings game in between.

539
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you know, which you could call that serious

540
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 3: kind of So give me the give me your Costello

541
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 3: review first?

542
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: What'd you think?

543
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 5: So? This was a concert in this is a tour

544
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 5: in which he's playing mostly his old stuff, the first

545
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 5: three or four albums, which is that's what you know.

546
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 5: I kind of grew up with him on and it

547
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 5: was phenomenal. He changes the songs a little bit. People

548
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 5: get a little upset about that, but in his voice

549
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 5: isn't what it was, of course, but a lot of energy,

550
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 5: and he's fun and funny and talking to the audience

551
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 5: and a lot of just a lot of joy in it,

552
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 5: as well as him saying you Americans, you know, you

553
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 5: got stuff to work on. But the and it was

554
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 5: interesting because if you think about his first couple albums.

555
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 5: Songs are really dark, yes, Alison Miaim is true. And

556
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 5: he talked about that because, look, I'm going to play

557
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: these songs tonight. It doesn't mean I'm talking about where

558
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 5: we are.

559
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: Right, gotcha. So it was fun part of my history.

560
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 5: He played for a long time, and it was it

561
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 5: was he did great band, you know, great camaraderie, that

562
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 5: was great. McCartney Friday Night was just it's McCartney. So

563
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 5: you're sitting there watching the thing for anybody who was there,

564
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 5: the thing that touched me the most, and I've seen it,

565
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 5: you know, I've seen it at least online. He does

566
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 5: a split screen with John Lennon from the Rooftop concert,

567
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 5: singing I've got a feeling, and that just gets me

568
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 5: because you know.

569
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Speaker 1: That's a lot of there's a lot of history there. Yeah,

570
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: that's for sure.

571
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: So is it at a point with him for you

572
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: that even if he doesn't have the same range, can't

573
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 3: reach all the same notes, that that almost becomes immaterial.

574
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just accept it, don't you.

575
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 5: So I articulated this Sunday watching the vikings of the game,

576
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 5: It's like, you don't go Carson Wentz, isn't you know Montana.

577
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 5: So you got Carson Wentz. It's Carson Wentz. That's who

578
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 5: you're gonna get, and you know there'll be some good.

579
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 5: McCartney is just McCartney, and it's great just to see

580
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 5: him up there and to see him. You know, he's

581
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 5: gonna play and he's gonna sing. Hey, dude, he's gonna sing.

582
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 5: Let it be. It's not gonna be like nineteen sixty nine, right,

583
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 5: but it's still McCartney. Yeah, maybe that's not the best comparison.

584
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: No, I get your point. Yeah, No, I'm sorry, or

585
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: your say gout h.

586
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 6: It was maybe the first time Carson Wentz and Paul

587
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 6: McCartney you've ever been put in the same sentence.

588
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: You might make the preposterous statement tournament of the noon

589
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: to three shows very very possible, even though that's not

590
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: what your intent was.

591
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: To get the contrast.

592
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 5: There may be some texts about that.

593
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, there might be a couple of those.

594
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: Well, I said, for years, I always felt guilty because

595
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: I went through that period where it was not fashionable

596
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: to like McCartney as much as you were supposed to

597
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: like John Lennon, right, And I fell into that trap.

598
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: Because that's what everybody else was doing. I look back

599
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: on I said, well, an idiot, you know, you didn't

600
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: really have to make those kinds of choices. They both

601
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: brought their own strengths, but the McCarthy ability, the melodies

602
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: that he created, my god, I just don't know how

603
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: you argue with it.

604
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: You can't.

605
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 5: I mean, there were so I had a moment when

606
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 5: the tickets were offered. My friend reached out and said,

607
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 5: should we do this because he's going to sing a

608
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 5: couple of songs from the late seventies that you hate?

609
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,719
Speaker 1: Yes? And he did. Yes, I call it his silly

610
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: love songs. Yes, I'm with you.

611
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 5: And so he did let him in and he did,

612
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 5: you know, coming up and it's almost like I had

613
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 5: a whole you know, it's that bad, it's that bad,

614
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 5: and you really.

615
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: Want to say, Paul, we get it.

616
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 5: And he did that, you know, lots of other stuff,

617
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 5: but he's gonna do what he's gonna do. And you know,

618
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 5: he he was not my favorite Beatle and it was

619
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 5: Lennon Harrison than McCartney for me, but you know, it

620
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 5: was just amazing to watch him. And he started with

621
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 5: help and I don't know why he's doing that because

622
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 5: that's the icon one of the iconic Lennon songs.

623
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Speaker 1: But good for him, Yeah, good for him.

624
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 5: It was.

625
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: It was fun for sure.

626
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: I always felt like I always wondered how much more

627
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: in terms of song making that George Harrison had in him.

628
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,239
Speaker 3: That we'll never know because early obviously it was going

629
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: to be Lennon McCartney dominated because you couldn't.

630
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: Argue with it.

631
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 5: But then Harrison kind of came into his own right

632
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: in the White Album and then let it be an

633
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 5: Abbey Road and then obviously all things must pass. He

634
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 5: kind of got shoved aside.

635
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: He had a bad.

636
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 5: Tour in the early seventies. People gave him a hard time,

637
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 5: took it hard. Then he kind of came back mid

638
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 5: seventies with some really good songs, really good albums. He

639
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 5: was so torn about how he felt about the music business.

640
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 5: But if you listen to he did a concert in

641
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 5: Japan where they were Clapton. If you listen to that,

642
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 5: it's like magic is it? Two of them playing mostly

643
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 5: his songs.

644
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: There's a great I'm going to try to look it

645
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 3: up real quick here George Harrison documentary.

646
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Speaker 1: That was?

647
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 5: Was it?

648
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't know where it originated called Living in the

649
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: Material World. Have you seen it? It's lengthy. I thought

650
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Speaker 1: it was outstanding.

651
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's just fascinating all of them. And the

652
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 5: concert for Bangladesh, which I still remember. I wasn't there,

653
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 5: but I had friends who win at Madison Square Garden

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Speaker 5: is just electric and what they pulled off in nineteen

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Speaker 5: to miss He's one of those people that you never

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Speaker 5: know what he would have done and where would.

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Speaker 3: You All right, let's get an early break in and

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Speaker 3: then we can indeed get some more serious stuff. We'll

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Speaker 3: compelling op ed piece that Andy wrote that appeared in

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Speaker 3: the Start Tribune over the weekend. That's going to kind

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Speaker 3: of kind of be our starting point. We'll get into

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Speaker 3: some other areas as well as he lays out what

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Speaker 3: his objective regarding that particular piece when we come back.

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Speaker 3: Let's remind them in case they've not heard, the obvious

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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy is still not ready.

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Speaker 3: We'll all assume the date he'll be ready will be

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Speaker 3: that Lions game a week from this coming Sunday, but

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Speaker 3: it will be. It will not be guards, these guy

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Speaker 3: brosmer at least starting for now, It'll be Carson Wentz

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Speaker 3: on Thursday evening. All right, Andy Lueger is back with

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Speaker 3: us in studio. Former US attorney tell us about for

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Speaker 3: people who have not picked up, Oh picked up that's

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Speaker 3: a that's a dated five we read online at via

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Speaker 3: starding dot com. Your op ed piece, tell me the

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Speaker 3: thrust of it, and maybe even at the start, what

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Speaker 3: prompted you to say this is something I want to

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Speaker 3: get out there.

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Speaker 5: So way back when in twenty fourteen, when I was

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Speaker 5: US attorney, the first time we were trying backing an

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Speaker 5: ISIS conspiracy, ISIS recruiting conspiracy, ended up prosecuting quite a

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Speaker 5: number of people locally who were being recruited and joining

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Speaker 5: ISIS and that's a crime. So I learned a lot

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Speaker 5: in twenty fourteen about the radicalization process and violent extremism,

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Speaker 5: of which radical isis terrorism is one branch. So I

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Speaker 5: learned about that, and then we really started to see

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Speaker 5: an uptick in twenty fifteen of hate crime recruiting violent

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Speaker 5: extremists on white supremacist sites and neo Nazi sites. Sort

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Speaker 5: of learned about that, and so that's sort of the

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Speaker 5: ideological violent extremism that I learned a good deal about.

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Speaker 5: And I met a number of experts around the country, analysts, researchers,

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Speaker 5: people who live in that world, studying it and trying

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Speaker 5: to figure out what to do about it. I come

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Speaker 5: out of the US Attorney's office in January of twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty five, go back back to my law firm, and

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Speaker 5: we obviously have had sort of horrific violent episodes, both

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Speaker 5: locally and nationally, and so I reached back out to

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Speaker 5: the friends who tracked violent extremism and said, what's going on,

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Speaker 5: what's going on? And they sort of clue me into

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Speaker 5: this relatively new phenomenon of non ideological violent extremism, which

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Speaker 5: has now been tagged nihilistic violent extremism. The difference being

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Speaker 5: in history, violent extremists who ascribe to an ideology have

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Speaker 5: to be recruited and taught and have to sort of

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Speaker 5: buy into that ideology, whether it's white supremacy or neo

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Speaker 5: Nazis or terrorists, and you have to convince people to

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Speaker 5: believe in your cause. This relatively new phenomenon, there's no cause,

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Speaker 5: and you don't have to buy into anything, and you

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Speaker 5: don't have to be convinced of anything.

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Speaker 1: It's just people who.

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Speaker 5: Want to commit violence, mass violence, targeted violence, harm against

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Speaker 5: vulnerable people. And they now have sites that they, you know,

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Speaker 5: in platforms to come together. And it's growing. And at

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Speaker 5: least two of the recent school shootings, one in Tennessee

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Speaker 5: and one elsewhere, were linked to people who are on

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Speaker 5: these sites. And so that's a new problem and a

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Speaker 5: new phenomenon that a number of people, the FBI, local

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Speaker 5: law enforcement, but also independent researchers and analysts are studying

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Speaker 5: and looking at. And it's quite horrific and quite scary.

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Speaker 5: And I decided as I talk it, you know, you said,

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Speaker 5: I'm too serious. At dinner parties, I'm like the guy

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Speaker 5: in the corner that nobody wants to talk to because

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Speaker 5: other than the Vikings, which I could talk about, or

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Speaker 5: the Beatles. I want to talk about whatever's current and people.

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Speaker 5: It was very clear to me that, just like I was,

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Speaker 5: nobody knew about this. So I thought, let's put it

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Speaker 5: in writing, let's bring it out, and now we're looking

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Speaker 5: to convene. I've got a working group that's looking to

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Speaker 5: convene some of the experts, some public policy and public

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Speaker 5: health experts, to talk about what do we do about this,

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Speaker 5: because it's it's kind of growing and it's frightening. When

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Speaker 5: the experts are frightened, that means something to me.

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Speaker 3: The nihilistic violent extremists envees.

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Speaker 1: That's the term, yeah, correct.

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Speaker 5: So the way this comes about is every branch of

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Speaker 5: violent extremists get their initials, so race based violent Extremists RBVE.

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Speaker 5: We have a number of different and this one, when

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Speaker 5: people started looking at it, they decided to call it

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Speaker 5: nihilistic violent extremism. And it's a broad based and not

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Speaker 5: everybody fits perfectly, and there's a debate amongst you know,

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Speaker 5: anything else, there's a debate about how much it is.

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Speaker 5: But there's one site that I write about in the

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Speaker 5: article called Watch People Die, and it is exactly what

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Speaker 5: it is. But they're all trying to convince each other

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Speaker 5: to be the next mass murderer. And so I was

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Speaker 5: talking to somebody the other day who tracks watch People Die,

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Speaker 5: and there are now four million people actively on watch

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Speaker 5: people Die, So that means something. And since the only

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Speaker 5: goal is not to join a group and have meetings

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Speaker 5: and champion your neo Nazi ideology, it's just to kill

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Speaker 5: people and watch other people kill people. This is something

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Speaker 5: we've got to pay attention to.

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Speaker 3: The Dark Knight as you're talking, that's what I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 3: The two thousand and eight film. There's a moment where Alfred,

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Speaker 3: talking about the Joker, turns to Batman and says, some

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Speaker 3: men just want to watch the world burn. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: kind of what we're talking about here, correct.

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Speaker 5: So the most extreme extreme version of mves want to

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Speaker 5: destroy society, not make it better because it's going to

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Speaker 5: be for the white race or for this or for

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Speaker 5: that or for isis, but to destroy it all because

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Speaker 5: there is no better. That's the most extreme, and the

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Speaker 5: critics of this v within this sort of expert group,

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Speaker 5: So that's not everybody.

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Speaker 1: Some people just want to go.

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Speaker 5: Online and see you torture an animal. They're not thinking

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Speaker 5: about destroying society or they literally want to see somebody

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Speaker 5: commit suicide and film it. They don't have any greater goals, right,

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Speaker 5: But that's what's happening on these sites.

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Speaker 3: So the idea, the the the challenge is to is

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Speaker 3: to identify the individuals who have worse intent than just

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Speaker 3: I like to watch this stuff. I just like to

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Speaker 3: be a spectator to this sort of thing. And I

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Speaker 3: assume the internet and internet age in which we live

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Speaker 3: is once again where we talk about this on so

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Speaker 3: many other things, is the biggest challenge because I would

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Speaker 3: assume you wo'd agree that there were people like this forever,

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Speaker 3: but now there's a place to assemble in a way

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Speaker 3: that they couldn't and talk to and meet other people

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Speaker 3: who are similarly inclined.

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of us, I don't know about you, Dan,

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Speaker 5: I had growing up in New Jersey. I had a

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Speaker 5: kid who kind of liked to watch sort of awful stuff.

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Speaker 5: I won't name him because he's still around, but he

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Speaker 5: lived near me in my little town, and he was

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Speaker 5: the kind of person who if there was a you know,

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Speaker 5: if a dog got hit in the middle of the.

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Speaker 1: Street, he'd watch it suffer.

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Speaker 5: It's not new. The problem is there are now sites

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Speaker 5: where they all get together and encourage each other to

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Speaker 5: create these moments and film them. So Washington Post ran

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Speaker 5: a story late last week about people on one of

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Speaker 5: these sites in getting a vulnerable young kid and convincing

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Speaker 5: him to commit suicide. I'm twelve years old and to

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Speaker 5: film it. And he does this film of a twelve

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Speaker 5: year old committing suicide, and the people on the site

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Speaker 5: are gleeful because this is what they want. And so

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Speaker 5: I think we just have to address the fact that

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Speaker 5: this exists. We've got to think about ways that educators

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Speaker 5: and parents can talk about this. I was talking to

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Speaker 5: one person the other day. It's not like we can

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Speaker 5: call a school assembly and say don't do drugs. This

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Speaker 5: is not don't go on this site and encourage somebody

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Speaker 5: to commit suicide.

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Speaker 1: You can't do that.

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Speaker 5: So what are the creative ways. I don't know, but

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Speaker 5: I want to convene people who are thoughtful and can

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Speaker 5: help all of us. So if you're a parent or

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Speaker 5: you're a grandparent and you've got kids going, we don't

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Speaker 5: know what sites are.

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Speaker 1: On all right, let's make this a top of our break.

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Speaker 3: There's a bunch more items I have about this particular

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Speaker 3: piece that we can spin off on as well. Andy

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Speaker 3: Luger kind of have to join us in studio. He

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Speaker 3: will be with us for another thirty minutes. Keep the

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