WEBVTT - 12-1-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 Do you want to be an American? 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:06.120 All right, it's a great return after the big stuffing 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:08.880 slowly here seven hundred ww you welcome to it, and 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.040 welcome to the cold. And with that cold means energy 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:13.960 demand is starting to peak again. And we take it 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:15.680 for granted because we have this little thing called a 0:00:15.720 --> 0:00:18.920 thermostat and we set it and we don't you know, here, 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:20.960 kick on you. Oh, thank goodness, we've got some heat. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:22.880 And you really don't think about it until you get 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.720 the bill. And the reason why we get the bills 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.040 as high as they are is because of demand. So 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.760 the surge is driven by well, look look around us 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.400 or Butler County, Columbus. Right, we've got these data centers 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:36.800 going up. 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:37.080 AI. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:39.879 We have electrification of vehicles. Twenty percent of all new 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.479 car sales are either hybrid or the nine percent are 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.000 just full of evs. Heat pump sales are going up. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.600 That's your air conditioning and heating. It's a heat pump now. 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.040 And six out of ten heating installations here in Ohio 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:55.560 are heat pumps. And so we're especially vulnerable things like 0:00:55.600 --> 0:01:00.000 brownouts because the supply doesn't meet the capacity in them. 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:02.680 So the Buck Guy Institute's tasked with working with the 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.280 US Department of Energy on solutions for this and Ray 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:07.600 Hedderman is here once again to discuss Ray. 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.600 Welcome back, Hi Ben, I'm doing well, Scott, Thank you 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:11.080 for having me. 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.880 All Right, that's the thirty thousand foot view down to 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.680 Earth here. What's really driving this whole thing? But I'd 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.160 imagine part of this has to do with innovation is 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.319 the regulatory barriers. Typically with energy, we see a lot 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:24.520 of that. 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:26.080 Yeah. 0:01:26.120 --> 0:01:30.839 Absolutely, I mean, let's just recap what's happened. Normally, energy 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.160 projects take a long time to build out, and energy 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.840 demand was flat, so you're not going to go out 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:38.880 and you're not going to build a whole bunch of 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.680 new power plants if you're not expecting customers. Then all 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.080 of a sudden, the last few years, you know, artificial intelligence. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:52.240 Everybody has phones, people are looking at Instagram, Facebook, you know, 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:57.360 using AI. AI takes about ten times as much power 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:01.280 today to get that answer as a Google question ten 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:05.600 years ago. So energy demand is skyrocketing and so now 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:10.280 we need those data centers. The problem is, Scott, regulatory 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:15.160 regulations had made it so painful to build energy power 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:20.200 plants that we're simply not getting electricity online fast enough, 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.079 and that's where we're going to see start seeing power spikes, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.320 potential brownouts. We're actually seeing data centers being told no, 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.480 you can't be built because we don't have enough energy 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:33.040 to meet the needs. What we've done at the Buckeye 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.360 Institute is work with state lallmakers and now we're working 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:39.160 with federal regulators to say this is what needs to 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.799 be happen so we can build the electricity to keep 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.160 electricity affordable and reliable. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.560 How I just also has to do with the political 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.920 whipso of Washington, DC. Whereas you had Trump We're going 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.240 to do the Keystone XL pipeline. Great, we're gonna roll 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:53.840 that thing out, and then Biden comes along says, no, 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.000 we're not doing it anymore, and trust bag at office 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:57.280 will we're going to start doing it again. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.280 Well, you know you've seen that. You've seen like the 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.880 Trump administration saying hey, we're going to close intermittent energy. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.000 You've had Democrats saying we're going to phase out coal plants. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.359 I mean the last year the Biden administration, they said 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:14.240 we're going to eliminate basically make it almost impossible for 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:18.000 coal and natural gas plants to operate. That's why you 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:22.200 know pjm Our energy grid that Ohio shares with a 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:26.040 lot of other Blue states on the Atlantic Ocean. Dave 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:30.080 Yost many other states sued the federal government saying, you 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.600 can't do this because if you're turning off coal plants 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.800 are twilling off solar plants, where's our electricity going to 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:41.120 come from? That's dependable. I mean, if you look outside Ohio, 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:45.119 right here in central Ohio, it's not an uncommon December day, right, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.560 it's great, the sun doesn't shine as much. Solar is 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.480 great for some states, it's not ideal for the state 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.520 of Ohio and scott The other thing that's happened is 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.920 you've had a lot of other states that have made 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.320 a big deal, like New Jersey. Again, we share the 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:04.920 energy grew with New Jersey. They destroyed their coal plants, 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.800 that destroyed natural gas, and they based it all on 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:12.720 optional wind and intermittent injury sources. But those simply don't 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:16.279 have the same reliability or produce the same amount of 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.680 base load power, and so now do New Jersey. A 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.000 lot of other states have found themselves in an energy 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.880 crisis and are scrambling to meet the growing demand. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:25.719 Ray. 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:27.960 If you travel through well the central part of the 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.200 state where you are, but up north a little bit, 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:34.560 or to drive Indianapolis to Chicago, you see a ton 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:37.919 of wind farms, a lot of turbines out there. But 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:40.960 as good as that, as fine as this is how 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:43.880 much of energy productions that represent? What percentage? 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.680 I thought them five percent? In the state of Ohio. Look, 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:51.320 we get most of our stuff from natural gas. Historically, 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:55.680 Ohio has been a coal heavy steak. Coal produced the 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.200 majority of Ohio's electricity into the last ten years, when 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.400 natural gas, you know, you being able to tap into 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.719 the shell crescent, has taken the place. So we get 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.760 most of our energy from natural gas, coal, nuclear, and 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.599 then it falls down the solar and winds. And again 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.240 you know that's true for a lot of states, particularly 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:17.800 on those of us east of the Mississippi. You know, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.880 we get a lot from natural gas nuclear. And what 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.599 we're seeing right now again is, you know, because of 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:28.000 the spike, people are scrambling to get power online. You know, 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.159 a Microsoft, for example, has investing hundreds of millions of 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:35.040 dollars to re open three Mile Island nuclear power plant. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.520 That tells you what businesses are looking at when they 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.880 see the demand for future energy production and what they 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.760 need to do. And really what needs to happen is 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:49.000 Washington needs to say, Okay, why are we not seeing 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:53.400 power plants come online? We see prices are increasing. You 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.240 open up your electricity bill, you know, you know when 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:58.159 it's time to rebid, you're going to be facing higher 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:03.200 electricity prices. So why aren't we seeing more production being built? 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.200 And part of it comes back to those regulatory barriers, 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.520 you know, the blocks that are at the local level, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:14.039 state level, federal level, lawsuits for environmental review those have 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:18.039 all created a massive choke point that means that we're 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:22.080 really facing a deficit and electricity production that is choking 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:23.240 out the growing economy. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.960 I mean you mentioned the environmental reviews. How much does 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:28.599 that bogg the process down? 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:31.400 Well, you know, you take a look at there's so 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.479 many album and what you're seeing is nif the environmental 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:37.880 review that by the way, people on both the left 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.479 and right are saying, hey, this is not meant to 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.240 be a weapon to slow things down. We've seen that 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.800 being able to slow those productions down for years. That's 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.919 the National Environmental Policy Act about four and a half 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:54.000 years slowing down from the review connections. And so you 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.080 know what happens, Scott is the way regulations work is 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.960 they move in sequence. Right. It's kind of like a 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.760 to train, right, you know, one car starts moving, the 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:04.920 next car, the next car, the next car. So if 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.919 you take you know, a year at the local level, 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.160 a year at the state level, a year at the 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.720 federal level, you're taking four and a half years or 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:15.720 some environmental reviews. You know, you can sit there and 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.960 be taking your six plus years for some big power 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.440 plants to be built. And we've seen action take at 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:25.560 the state level, you know. With House Bill fifteen, Ohio 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.800 is saying, look, we need to speed this up. We 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.760 need to make sure that regulators have only a certain 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.680 amount of time to review so they can't delayies in 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.880 those projects. And we'd like to see the same thing 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:39.920 done at the federal level, because I mean, at least 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.440 we can still build things here in Ohio. Other states 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:48.040 that have more state regulations, like California, New Jersey, for example, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:52.160 they can't build anything because people were able to block 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:57.960 production using these rules, using lawsuits, which means electricity prices 0:07:57.960 --> 0:07:58.880 are going to remain high. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:02.720 Ry Hetterman's here Buckeye Institute working with the US Department 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:06.040 of Energy and Solutions to fast track improving our infrastructure 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.600 and power supply because we are near at peak demand 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.720 and you know with the winter months here too, we 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.800 also have data centers and the light going online. The 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.360 demand for electricity is greater than ever, and yet the 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.360 infrastructure is way behind. We've often talked about brownouts and 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.800 blackouts that have happened at West and those it's and 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.960 it's you know, I don't know how close we are, 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.800 but they say, certainly the Midwest ray is very vulnerable 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.360 to this because of those data centers are going online 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.599 at record numbers. These are like small towns, and I 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.600 think most people don't understand just how much energy one 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:36.880 of these data centers requires. 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.600 Yeah. Absolutely, you know, it's basically you can sit there 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.880 and say, look, you know, one of these data centers 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.440 can consume more energy than the Manhattan right in New 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.680 York City. And so that just kind of called everybody 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.920 by surprise, and so they're saying what can be done. Well, 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:55.959 you know, one of the things that we again that 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.719 Hospital fifteen did that I'm a big fan of, is 0:08:58.760 --> 0:09:02.000 what we call behind the and what that means is 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:04.960 if you're building a data center, you can actually build 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:08.520 your own power plants, you know, to directly power your business. 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:12.960 You can fast track that through the regulatory process and 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.600 be able to power your own business. And that's kind 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.400 of what we want to see the market working. We've 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.880 seen some of those basically power plants be approved. One 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:27.000 was approved just before Thanksgiving. I think those type of 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:31.200 solutions right where businesses working together, maybe they're going to 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:35.200 share a power plant with another business, those are the 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.280 type of solutions that are going to get us out 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.839 of this crisis and help us move ahead because relying 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.560 on the way we've been doing things simply doesn't work. Scott, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.520 to give you an idea, just very quickly, there are 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:51.559 one hundred and ninety seven thousands power requests to pjm 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:55.120 Ohio's grid. One hundred and ninety seven thousand by somebody 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.960 who wants to generate power to connect to the PGM grid. 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:02.520 To PJAM doesn't have enough personnel to get through them. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.079 And part of the problem is, you know, these are 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:10.199 everything from five megawatts solar and when smaller production plants, 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.560 but that takes the same amount of power, has a 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.679 two hundred and fifty megawatt natural gas plant. So, you know, 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.240 we have a lot of requests that are going online. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.400 People are gaining the system, flogging it up, and so 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.520 we just need a way to cut through prioritize better 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.840 which power plants are going to deliver reliable energy to 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:35.240 keep prices load for consumers, to keep light time for businesses. 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:37.480 Yeah, and that makes a lot of sense if you've 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.600 private interested. Hey, you know what, we'll build our own 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.880 infrastructure here. The hell with you guys. What kind of 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.280 power plants are we're seeing going online? 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:45.240 Yeah? 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.320 Sure, so right now, we've seen a lot of natural 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.720 gas here in Ohio work and moving forward on that. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.520 You've also seen some renewable behind the meter as well, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:57.720 you know. I mean people sometimes will drive by you 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:02.000 might see a big windmill at a car dealership for example, 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:05.480 you know, trying to produce power on site to deliver 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:09.679 to those businesses. Other states are starting to see experiments 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.439 with small nuclear power plants. 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:13.160 Again. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:17.360 You know, I mentioned Microsoft, for example, investing in reopening 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.600 Three Mile Island for the benefit of Microsoft by themselves. 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.760 Other companies are also contracting to build a smaller nuclear 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:30.000 power plants using hydro, using geothermal energy. You know, there's 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.880 a lot of ways to be able to get electricity 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.920 in businesses or reacting the way you'd expect them to do, 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.599 what makes the most sense, what's most cost competitive, and 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.960 where my business is located. And so that's what the 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.720 beauty of what we see kind of free enterprise working 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.840 out is coming up with solutions and trying not to 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.800 burden rate payers. You know, that's what we want to 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.319 make sure is that we have affordable energy and businesses 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.640 aren't taking advantage of rate payers and hopefully not you know, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.000 seeking out special tax breaks. It would be great to 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:06.760 roll back some tax and centers handout to big industry, 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.800 big utilities, big tech along the way to make sure 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:12.319 taxes are low, energy prices are kept affordable. 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.800 Yeah, no, Ray, it makes a lot of sense. And 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.880 I'm a big proponent of these small nuclear plants, and 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.200 I think, you know, once again, it's a great example 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.000 of how private industry will lead the way and solve 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.040 the problems that government can't. For those who believe in 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.240 government solving all problems, well there you go. There they're 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.760 actually standing in the way. Are there going to be 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.480 some trials, tribulations, heartbreaks, accidents, etcetera. Sure, there always is 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.360 when it comes to technology, sadly, but that's part of 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.800 the learning and growing experience as long as those responsible 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.360 are held to a standard. That said, though, I think 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.560 this is the advent of new power generation, and I 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.360 think about you know, some of the like Microsoft reopening 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.440 through Mile Island, or smaller like suitcase type of nuke 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.640 facilities or machines that produce enough energy to fire a plant. 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.440 But it also is hoped to typical America. I mean, 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.679 imagine the day where and I don't know if it 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.559 will be in our lifetime, but imagine that the technology 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.280 gets so good you just buy one of these power 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.240 units on Amazon, they ship it to you, You PLoP 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.079 it in like a battery, and it lasts probably longer 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:14.920 than you're alive, and then you know, it goes back 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:16.920 to the recycling center. What they do with they spent 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.280 phil Rodgs is yet to be determined, but nonetheless, it 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:25.520 seems like neighborhoods Hoa's small towns will have their own 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.760 many nuclear plant to power or we may just have 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:30.239 one in our own house in fifty years. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.560 Yeah, you know, Scott, that's exactly right. I mean, you're 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:37.239 looking at the space. Talking to people involved in these businesses, 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:41.480 both from producers and high energy consumers. There's a lot 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:46.560 of innovation that's going on through private enterprise. People saying, hey, 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.959 you know what, let's try to use gia thermal right 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.120 out west where it makes her sense. You know, given 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:58.000 the geology out there. You know, they're actually experimenting drilling 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.320 down to the Earth's cross being able to tie about 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:04.120 some of that geothermal energy. That's a great solution for 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.840 some of those companies, you know, small neuclear reactors. You 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:13.520 are seeing more businesses pulling together and basically forming micro grids, 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.320 you know, behind the meter. That a way to say, hey, 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:19.000 let's go on our own power sources so we don't 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.360 have to wait a couple of years to go through 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:25.640 the PJAM regulations. That's the type of innovation I think 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.920 that has really made this country great. That's why I'm 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:31.200 really optimistic about the future because we know what the 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.640 need is, we know the demands there, businesses know what 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.120 they need to do to power themselves, and we have 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:41.280 a solution for the future. You know, we can sit there, 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.520 work together, innovate, development these things and really keep America 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.560 moving forward. And I look at the opposite end of 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.000 the spectrum. Right again, I looked to Europe, where a 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.440 few years ago, you know, they came out and said, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.240 we can't compete with the United States because our electricity 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.760 prices are so unaffordable. You know, German MENUF factoring has 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:04.400 fallen off a clock because electricity is so important to 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:09.000 the manufacturing sector. Europe made terrible policy choices by trying 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:13.240 to regulate this market. I am thankful that here in Ohio, 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.479 you know, we're making different choices, moving to remove regulations 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.840 on businesses, to encourage innovation, to encourage investment, to try 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.400 to boost energy so to keep prices lower. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.360 Well, but in Ohio even will the bureaucracy and will 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.120 the status quo machine keep this from moving forward? 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.080 I you know, Scott, I'm optimistic, I think because we're 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.040 already seeing this working again. You know, we've seen a 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:43.560 couple of billion dollars behind the meter projects already move forward. Right, 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.120 So these private businesses are putting their money where their 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.920 hopes are. That's what I'm looking at again. The Public 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:54.600 Utilities Commission of Ohio is approving some of these projects 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:56.880 are all going to be private behind the meter to 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.080 power some of these data centers to power some of 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:03.040 these manufacturing plants. I think Ohio is building a model 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:07.600 that should be emulated copied by other states. You know, 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.360 we're able to take advantage of it, and if federal 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.680 regulators can move faster, that'll be better for us as well. 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.680 But HP fifteen, I think is a really good piece 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:20.800 of legislation that is encouraging a lot of private enterprise. 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.800 And again, you know, reading from the news reports, reading 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.440 the filings before the Public Utilities Commission, there's billions of 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:32.080 dollars of private investment that's taking place right now thanks 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.600 to HP fifteen, allowing businesses to power up more quickly. 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.840 All right, he's ray headed been to the Buckeye Institute 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.280 working with the Department of Energy on solutions to solve 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.720 our power crisis, and it's looming. It really is. Imagine 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.240 a day like, for example, class at twenty twenty five, Ray, 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:50.920 you show them a picture of a flat circular thing 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:52.960 with a hole in the middle. It's kind of translucent, 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:54.800 and they don't know what that. It's called a compact 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.440 disc Imagine class of twenty one twenty five when you 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.320 show them a picture of a utility poll with all 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.560 those wires out, and I go, what the hell is that? 0:17:01.800 --> 0:17:05.040 Hopefully that, hopefully that's what the future is here at 0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:06.720 the Buckeye's date. All the best, buddy, Thanks. 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.360 Again, take a lot, Scott, always a pleasure. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:10.800 Take care of. Let's get a news update in in 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:13.280 just a few minutes here moving forward on the Scottslan Show. 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:19.960 Another thing that is facing extinction social Security. Some sobering 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.920 news about your Social Security benefits that Washington doesn't want 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:25.639 you to know. That's some clickbait right there. Hang out, 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:27.960 we'll get into it right after news on seven hundred WLW. 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:34.320 There come the white death two to four inches expected 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.960 tonight and this time tomorrow when their weather advisor and 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.320 affected seven two to four inches for most of the 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:45.920 tri state, which means the good solid half inch. Maybe 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.320 you have to use it's like a decoder kind of thing. 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.840 You have to use a Enigma machine, a Cincinnati climate 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.679 terist Enigma machine. Go, okay, two to four inches, what 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.080 what's that code? Let's that breakdown? About half inch? About 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.280 half inch? But hey, you know what, we will still 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.160 lose our freaking minds. We will still lose our minds 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:05.760 driving on the roads, even if it's the half it, 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.000 even if just the thread of snow will cause us 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:12.320 to panic, work ourselves up into a froth and just shiver, 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:17.040 not as a cold because of nervous energy. Scott Flow 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.040 and I hope you had a great holiday Thanksgiving a 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:22.640 week whether it's maybe a day off, two days off, 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:25.640 maybe you had a whole stretch. Hopefully you had time 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.159 to uncharge and eat a lot of food, watch a 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:28.720 lot of football. I know I did. And by the way, 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:32.120 Bengals fans, you're welcome. My Bills beat the Steelers quite 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:37.119 handily yesterday in Pittsburgh. As the Bills then host the 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.240 Bengals next weekend on Sunday. I'm actually going to that game. 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.040 Maybe you are too. We'll see up there. Buy me 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:46.200 a beer. I'll tell you where to go, yeah, I 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.479 And honestly, you know this going into it. Man, if 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.640 the Bengals can stop the run, I think the Bengals 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.000 beat the Bills, I really do. That team is just 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.320 something not right. Well that's the injuries and a bunch 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.840 of other things that excuse making. But it was a 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.000 fun though the enemy that is the Pittsburgh Steelers, just 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.960 watching them get it handed to it yesterday on their field, 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.320 Cam Hayward and his I don't know, generally don't see 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.080 that a alignment going at a quarterback like he did 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:14.600 with Josh Allen. I just I don't know what the 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.679 beef was about. I still still don't understand it. But 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:20.600 a Ken he got shut up pretty good, as did 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:24.400 Patrick Queen, as did Aaron Rodgers for that manner. Nonetheless, 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.720 it's always good when you wake up and you revel 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:31.120 in a Bengals win on Thursday night and then Sunday 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:35.000 watch these Steelers crap down their leg and interestingly enough, 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:36.920 all James are penon in the last hour of the 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:39.240 show like eleven thirty five. Normally wouldn't do that because 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:43.240 they play Bengals play Thursday. But the biggest Cincinnati sports 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:45.879 news right now is the fact that Bengals have a 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.760 path to the playoffs because the Ravens are a top 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:52.439 at six and six Pittsburgh six and six since he 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.720 four and eight. So let's say the Bengals go and 0:19:55.760 --> 0:20:01.119 beat the Bills on Sunday and at Heimar Bengals are 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:05.879 five and eight Pittsburgh. I don't know how I know 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:07.960 they're favored in two of their last five games. I'm 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.160 not quite sure how exactly that works out, but you've 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:15.280 got Steelers and Ravens on Sunday, and that feels like 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.760 all the marbles right there for those two teams, and 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:22.119 you kind of want the Steelers in that one to 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.639 lose because that does help the Bengals, believe it. I 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:26.600 will get more of that later, but so the Ravens 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:28.520 go to seven and six, Pittsburgh dropped the six and 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:30.840 seven Bengals, if they win, go to five and eight, 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:32.639 and then after that, I mean, you look at the 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:36.480 schedule after next weekend. Baltimore still has the Patriots and 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:39.359 the Packers to play, and if you're a Ravens fan, 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:41.560 how do you feeling about one of those teams? Those feel 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:46.560 like losses. Meanwhile, Pittsburgh has the Lions and Baltimore again, 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.960 and the Bengals have Miami, the Cardinals and the Browns. 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.320 That's a pretty easy path than the Bengals. Now for 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:57.240 the Bengals, but you know, we've seen the Bengals this 0:20:57.320 --> 0:20:59.600 season and some other seasons that matter, play down to 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:02.920 their level competition. So you know they'll bit, they watch it, 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:05.520 they'll go and they'll go beat they beat Baltimore, they'll 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:07.439 beat the Bills. They go on this run and they 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.159 wind up losing the last give of the season the Browns 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.480