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Speaker 2: All right, it's a great return after the big stuffing

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Speaker 2: welcome to the cold. And with that cold means energy

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Speaker 2: demand is starting to peak again. And we take it

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Speaker 2: And you really don't think about it until you get

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Speaker 2: the surge is driven by well, look look around us

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Speaker 2: We have electrification of vehicles. Twenty percent of all new

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Speaker 2: car sales are either hybrid or the nine percent are

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Speaker 2: just full of evs. Heat pump sales are going up.

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Speaker 2: That's your air conditioning and heating. It's a heat pump now.

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Speaker 2: And six out of ten heating installations here in Ohio

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Speaker 2: So the Buck Guy Institute's tasked with working with the

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Speaker 2: Hedderman is here once again to discuss Ray.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back, Hi Ben, I'm doing well, Scott, Thank you

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Speaker 2: All Right, that's the thirty thousand foot view down to

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Speaker 3: we need those data centers. The problem is, Scott, regulatory

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Speaker 2: How I just also has to do with the political

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Speaker 3: That tells you what businesses are looking at when they

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Speaker 2: Ry Hetterman's here Buckeye Institute working with the US Department

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, you know, it's basically you can sit there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that makes a lot of sense if you've

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Speaker 2: infrastructure here. The hell with you guys. What kind of

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Speaker 3: Sure, so right now, we've seen a lot of natural

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Speaker 2: All right, he's ray headed been to the Buckeye Institute

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Speaker 2: Another thing that is facing extinction social Security. Some sobering

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Speaker 2: Benjamin Crump, twenty one year old man in Illinois, lives

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Speaker 2: with his parents in suburban Illinois. Looks like a nice neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Seven thirty on Thanksgiving, seven thirty pm, cops respond to

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Speaker 2: that home with a call that he was antagonizing and

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Speaker 2: arguing with two others in the home. With other people

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Speaker 2: in the home, I should say deputies. They show up,

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Speaker 2: they deescalate the situation. He agreed, Hey, I'll keep to

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Speaker 2: myself for the rest of the night. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: get in fights with the family. Hour later, deputies get

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Speaker 2: a call same address. The house is on fire, so

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Speaker 2: fire responds. Police respond. They roll up, they see Crump

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Speaker 2: standing there with a knife on the side of the road,

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Speaker 2: about a block away from the house. Police say, well,

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Speaker 2: we're just out here. They take him to custody and

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Speaker 2: Krump the reason. Here's what happened. Crump was told by

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Speaker 2: his family he was going to get kicked out of

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Speaker 2: the house after Antiza. Okay, that's it, young man, twenty

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Speaker 2: one years old. You get We're not having this on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: You know what, You're gonna have to find a new

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Speaker 2: place to live. You're twenty one, Get the hell out.

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Speaker 2: At that point, I left the residence, came back, went

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Speaker 2: to his bedroom with a cand of gas line lit

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Speaker 2: his bedroom on fire. Everyone got out. Everyone is safe,

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Speaker 2: but the house sustained major damage and now no one

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Speaker 2: has a place to live, especially Ben Crump. Story two.

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Speaker 2: It all starts with alcohol. Fifty eight year old man

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Speaker 2: in Maryland, Paul Susie is his name. He's drinking with

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Speaker 2: his wife. Three twelve year old girls and their parents

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Speaker 2: going door to door Friday night, knocked on his door twice,

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Speaker 2: announcing themselves as Christmas carols. We're gonna send some Christmas carols,

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Speaker 2: and you often don't see that anymore. You don't see people,

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Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, as long as I've been alive.

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Speaker 2: But don't think I've heard someone knock on my door

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Speaker 2: singing Christmas carols. Anyway, this happens there, and after hearing this,

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Speaker 2: he walks to his bay window from inside the home

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Speaker 2: and responds appropriately, because anytime you would get twelve year

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Speaker 2: olds and their parents singing Christmas carols about the season,

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Speaker 2: about Sanna, about God, about the birth of Jesus, the

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Speaker 2: sane and reasonable person would respond by pointing a gun

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Speaker 2: at the girls, which they ran away to the street.

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Speaker 2: Parents called nine one one. Paul Susie's in jail years

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Speaker 2: old pointing a gun at twelve year old Christmas callers.

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Speaker 2: So an illustration there. You may have had a maybe

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Speaker 2: a rough Thanksgiving, maybe Uncle Bob, uncle ned whomever. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, one too many egg nogs, or maybe you

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Speaker 2: know they're just jerks. They're just a holes. Every family

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Speaker 2: has them, and you show up to break bread and

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Speaker 2: bond with family and realizing God, this happens every year.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe it was just one of those things someone

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Speaker 2: showed up and it was a bad time had by all.

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Speaker 2: And I feel badly for you if you didn't have

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Speaker 2: a lovely Thanksgiving. But again, once again, you may have

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Speaker 2: had bad, bad Thanksgiving, but at least you weren't on cops.

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Speaker 2: You weren't cops. Awful bad, Ben Crump, Paul Susie, thank

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Speaker 2: you for lifting the rest of us up. Scott Sloan

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Speaker 2: seven hundred World, Scott Flows Shows, seven hundred, WW News

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Speaker 2: and NUDG just about five. Nasha Aderige Martinez from c

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Speaker 2: on the show Coming up today, Cyber Monday. We spent

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Speaker 2: an ungodly money record amount of money on Black Friday.

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Speaker 2: Today Cyber Monday expected to break all records again today.

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Speaker 2: And all of this stuff is to be delivered to

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Speaker 2: your house. You know what that means. It's also Christmas

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Speaker 2: for porch pirates, which you need to know about that,

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Speaker 2: and technology and other things to help make sure that

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Speaker 2: when Santa drops packages off your house and gets stolen

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Speaker 2: by self absorbed idiots. Nonetheless, that's coming up at ten

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Speaker 2: oh six this morning. So forty years. We've known this

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Speaker 2: problem with building for forty forty years, and now the

499
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Speaker 2: roosters come home. The chickens come home to rooster. Maybe

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Speaker 2: the rooster is growing. I'm not quite sure what the

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Speaker 2: metaphor is there. But Senate candidates in next year's midterms,

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Speaker 2: so you hear a lot about midterm elections, they will

503
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Speaker 2: be facing the looming and solvency of Social Security by

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Speaker 2: the end of their term. So US Senate candidates who

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Speaker 2: get elected next yar's midterms will have to do with

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Speaker 2: the Social Security crisis in about what eleven months, proving

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Speaker 2: once again there's no free lunch. In twenty thirty three,

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Speaker 2: the Social Security retirement fund is set to be depleted,

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Speaker 2: and that means at this point in twenty thirty three,

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Speaker 2: if nothing happens, recipients would see a cut to their

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Speaker 2: monthly checks. Like, for example, the average beneficiary is about

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Speaker 2: two thousand dollars a month, you would see that cut

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Speaker 2: down to just over fifteen hundred dollars. That's a pretty

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Speaker 2: good haircut right there. That's a devastating loss for a

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Speaker 2: lot of people, and nobody wants it to happen, But

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Speaker 2: because of forty years of an action, it's about to.

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Speaker 2: And what's driving the whole thing, and so you understand

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Speaker 2: what's at play here, is we had this huge baby

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Speaker 2: boom generation that are now retired will soon be. The

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Speaker 2: youngest boomers are sixty one, oldest are seventy nine. And

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Speaker 2: we are not repopulating our country at the same rate.

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Speaker 2: And in addition to that, we are declining in immigration, so

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Speaker 2: to speak, because of some policies. And maybe that's not

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Speaker 2: fair too, because we do have plenty of h one

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Speaker 2: b you know, visa workers in like immigranted in the

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Speaker 2: United States, for sure, but we're just we're not having

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Speaker 2: procreative sex anymore. Look, but that way, we're not having

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Speaker 2: babies at the same rate. In the math, is this

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Speaker 2: back in the day, you know, thirty years ago, forty

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Speaker 2: years ago, we had three point four workers and that

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Speaker 2: would be people who are earning an income and paying

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Speaker 2: in the system for Social security at the turn of

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Speaker 2: the twenty first century, and that is now from three

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Speaker 2: point four workers in what two thousand, early late nineties,

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Speaker 2: early two thousands, that's down to about two point seven

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Speaker 2: now and in the next ten years I'll go down

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Speaker 2: to two point three. So you have fewer workers that

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Speaker 2: are paying Social Security taxes and end result is there's

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Speaker 2: less money there. So we have a three hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty milli billion dollars should say, three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: billion dollars shortfall for twenty thirty three that trust fund.

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Speaker 2: That's only about one percent of the GDP. So you

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Speaker 2: could come up with a solution here, but there's got

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Speaker 2: to be the stomach to be able to do that.

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Speaker 2: And we see in a Congress that is constantly enacted,

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Speaker 2: they just are neutered. Everything now was done by executive order.

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Speaker 2: Just saw a story this morning it said Trump is

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Speaker 2: going to undo all Biden's auto pens executive orders so

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Speaker 2: that it beats out as meaningless and right now, look

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Speaker 2: at the government gridlock, look at the shutdown, and that

551
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: was because well of congressional and action. So you get

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Speaker 2: three things they can do, and one be raised taxes

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Speaker 2: and be cut benefits or change how social security works.

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Speaker 2: So you probably will do that and kick the can

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Speaker 2: down the road, I would think, because that's what they're

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Speaker 2: good at. Go, well, you know what we'll do is

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Speaker 2: we'll we'll take some more money from here and we'll

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Speaker 2: transfer here, and we'll be solving it for a while.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is how they continually fund government Continuing

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Speaker 2: resolution after continuing resolution. The curs are fast and furious.

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Speaker 2: But again, we've only balanced the budget twice in my

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Speaker 2: lifetime and my voting lifetime. I should say, what gives

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Speaker 2: you hope that you're going to fix the biggest problem

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Speaker 2: of all and that would be Social Security? And that, I,

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Speaker 2: believe it or not, is now. It's on the radar.

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Speaker 2: It's going to happen. People are elected to the Senate

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Speaker 2: next year this time next year are going to have

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Speaker 2: to deal with the crisis because that bomb is going

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Speaker 2: to explode on their watch, let alone the debt bomb

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Speaker 2: and everything else. Interesting times in which we live, for sure,

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Speaker 2: get a news update in today being Cyber Monday, off

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Speaker 2: a absolutely prosperous Black Friday, we are having a record

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Speaker 2: number of online purchases, but also things ship to our homes,

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Speaker 2: our businesses and the like, and that also means it's

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Speaker 2: a heyday for porch pirates, for thieves. How to combat

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Speaker 2: that with my friend from Senet here, Nasha Aderitz Martinez,

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Speaker 2: she's on the show next. We're also preparing for some

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Speaker 2: winter weather. The forecasters say and our friends at Channel

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Speaker 2: nine say two to four inches possible. We'll find out

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Speaker 2: what happens. That's supposed to hit some time tonight and

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Speaker 2: to the commute tomorrow. So just f y a full

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Speaker 2: update there, traffic and much more just ahead on the

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Speaker 2: home of the best Bengals coverage, seven hundred WWT Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to be an America?

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Speaker 2: Let's go back an a Monday morning Scott's Flowing Show

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLWT. Just spend a little money this week.

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Speaker 2: Everybody spent money this weekend. You're kidding me?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: I record twelve billion dollars. Most twelve billion dollars was

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Speaker 2: spent online during Black Friday sales. Almost all those islands

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Speaker 2: little shipped, meaning it's Christmas for thieves too, And that

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Speaker 2: nearly twelve billion is just a couple of days of

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Speaker 2: the holiday buying season. Today is Cyber Monday, the granddaddy

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Speaker 2: of the mall used to be Black Friday, but out

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Speaker 2: Cyber Monday, even more will be spent on that is.

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Speaker 2: C NET Managing editor Nasha Atrich Martinez joined the show

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW as they release their annual holiday package,

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Speaker 2: Theft Report from c Neet. Nasha, Good morning, how are you?

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Speaker 4: Hello? Good morning? Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: All right, so this is the fourth time you've done

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Speaker 2: this and report says eighty billion dollars could be vulnerable

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Speaker 2: to porch stuff this season. That is, that is a

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Speaker 2: staggering amount of money. That's like the GDP of a

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Speaker 2: small country for crying out loud, Yeah it is.

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Speaker 4: And it's actually six billion dollars more than what our

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Speaker 4: reports found from last year. So this could be a

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Speaker 4: direct reflection of price increases or that just people are

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Speaker 4: spending more this year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so typically speaking, how often does porch piracy happen?

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Speaker 2: And we've seen the videos on TikTok and instat and

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Speaker 2: Facebook and everywhere else, but how common is it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so we actually found that there is a slight

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Speaker 4: decrease in porch stuff this year. It's around three percent

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Speaker 4: less this year than last year, but it is still

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Speaker 4: a significant threat to people who are buying, especially gifts

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Speaker 4: during this holiday season. And we're seeing it happen in

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Speaker 4: real time starting now right with Black Friday deal claber Monday,

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Speaker 4: which is now extended to Cyber Week. So yeah, people

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Speaker 4: really need to take steps to protect.

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Speaker 5: Themselves as year.

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Speaker 2: Okay, ll right, let's talk about those steps. What do

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Speaker 2: you recommend?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so there are a few things you can do

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Speaker 4: to protect your packages from being stolen this year. One

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Speaker 4: of the things that we recommend is installing a home

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Speaker 4: security system that usually is enough to deter some thiefs.

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Speaker 4: Other things that you can do is require a signature

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Speaker 4: when delivering so that the carriers won't leave the packages

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Speaker 4: at your doorstep being vulnerable to accept. Other things you

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Speaker 4: can do include tracking your shipment closely. That way you

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Speaker 4: know exactly when something is going to be delivered to

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Speaker 4: your home. Some carriers like Amazon even give you a

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Speaker 4: time frame which can allow for you to plan ahead

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Speaker 4: of time or have it delivered to your nearest USPS

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Speaker 4: ups or FedEx.

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Speaker 2: All right, but overall, so you said, thirty percent of

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Speaker 2: it als have either been victimized or know someone who's

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Speaker 2: been victimized. And I recognize that, but at what point

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Speaker 2: does this stop being a nuisance crime and a threat

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Speaker 2: to e commerce? Because people hear that and go, wow,

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Speaker 2: so many victims. Am I better off just going to

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Speaker 2: a brick and mortar or finding another way to get

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Speaker 2: my package? That's not good. That's not a good ad

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Speaker 2: for the industry.

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Speaker 4: It honestly has an effect that e commerce out rage.

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00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: We've actually seen that e commerce has down up this

647
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 4: year slightly. So people are really thinking about poor stuff

648
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 4: when they're buying their items. It's just a new thumth

649
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 4: that happens after the fact that they've already bought it.

650
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: Gotcha. There's packages are stolen, Some are meant for the household,

651
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: some are containing gifts. Is there any indication that thieves

652
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: specifically target certain times a day, or package sizes or

653
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: carrier types or whatever it might be that get the

654
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: higher value items.

655
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're actually seeing a trend where people are using

656
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: either stolen or bribed carrier data to track shipments in

657
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 4: real time. So what they'll do is that though they

658
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 4: will steal the packages even minutes after it has been delivered.

659
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: So that is a new trend we are seeing this year.

660
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: It was in the story you may not be familiar

661
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: that I just saw it over the weekend. I think

662
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: it was FedEx. They had they just busted this huge

663
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: ring of porch pirates, and what happens is they had

664
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: someone inside at one of the shippers that would tell

665
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: them what's in the package, what time they'd be arriving

666
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: on what truck, and it would be coordinated that way.

667
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly what what I'm talking about. So that

668
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 4: that is something that we're seeing you happen.

669
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: So how do you That's a whole nother problem for

670
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 2: logistics companies is now they've got to keep an eye

671
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: on their employees given out sensitive information like that. I'd

672
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: imagine that's got to be really difficult to prevent.

673
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, and especially when these carriers also offer

674
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: insurances for stolen items, so many people can also start

675
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 4: a claim process with them or even with the sellers,

676
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 4: which can also deter the sellers from using those carriers

677
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 4: in the first place.

678
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: Gotcha all right? She is seen at managing editor Nasha A.

679
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: D Rich Martinez talking about the huge number of Black

680
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: Friday sales even bigger Cyber Monday sales expected. Almost a

681
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: third of Americans report being the victim of forks pirates

682
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: or know someone a neighbor who has, and that's our

683
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: stuff getting stolen right out of right in front of

684
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 2: our porch. You mentioned early on in this, Nasha, about

685
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: video door bells, ring security cameras, and like, is that

686
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 2: a deterrent or is it just help you get footage

687
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: to maybe track someone down.

688
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 4: It can be a deterrent. So our report actually suggests

689
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 4: that the decline and poor scept is in part due

690
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 4: to the mass adoption of home security systems. So sometimes

691
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 4: it won't be Sometimes, you know, thieves will come in

692
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 4: with their master gloves and they know that they are

693
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 4: unidentifiable and will continue to do it. But for the

694
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: most part, it should be a good deterrent.

695
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, where are you on Amazon?

696
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 5: Key Amazon?

697
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 4: Honestly, whatever works for your family, I am. Yeah, I

698
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 4: tried it.

699
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: You know what I put a I put you know,

700
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: a remote keypad in it. It offered that. I tried

701
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: it and actually pleasantly surprised that. Like, first of all,

702
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: I thought someone would run the package over because you know,

703
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: I I that those are people I live with, they

704
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't pay attention. But I had a couple delivered in

705
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: the garage and what was actually really good because you

706
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 2: could see the door go up, like oh a package delivery,

707
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: they close the door, everything goes down. I know some

708
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: people feel like uncomfortable about having a stranger delivery person

709
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: drop stuff off essentially inside their house, But in a

710
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 2: couple of times I've tried it already, it's worked pretty

711
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 2: good for me.

712
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have seen that work for a lot of people.

713
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 4: And similarly, they sell these like secure block boxes that

714
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 4: you can leave in front of your home that are

715
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 4: secured to the ground. I think the problem with these

716
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 4: ones is that they are oftentimes small to only smaller packages.

717
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 4: If you buy something bigger, they won't usually fit. But

718
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 4: an Amazon key or similar services is a great option too.

719
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there something involving iPhone you can track porch pirates?

720
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: Is Apple getting involvement?

721
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: I've seen more home security system just having smart detection

722
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: and apps that you can use remotely on your phone

723
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 4: to track them. So we've been seeing a lot of

724
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 4: home security systems that have like AI detection and can

725
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 4: actually identify this whether like an animal or even if

726
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 4: a package has been left at your home, and even

727
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 4: if that package has been removed from your port, and

728
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 4: they will send you alerts of notifications. So having a

729
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 4: good home security system that will send you these notifications

730
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 4: is also crucial.

731
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is pretty good, Nasha. For someone who does

732
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 2: have a package stolen, what are they chances they actually

733
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: get their money back or a replacement, or that that

734
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: person has caught seems like, man, the odds are against

735
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: you if you have a package stolen, let alone. I

736
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: think the odds are pretty high if you're a package

737
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: chief and actually getting caught. Is that true?

738
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 4: That is true? Unfortunately, it will depend on the seller

739
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: and the carrier that you are using. Sometimes I've seen

740
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 4: sellers like Amazon for example, that if a package has

741
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: been stolen, you can start a claim process with them

742
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 4: and they will refund you. But it honestly just depends

743
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 4: where you're getting your eyems from.

744
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think at some point that insurance companies because

745
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: you can buy that private you know, the aftermarket insurance

746
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: now for that too. But credit card companies as well,

747
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: that those are the ones that are losing money. It's

748
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: cutting into their costs as well. Eventually gets passed on

749
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: to us. But I would think there's gonna be more

750
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: vigilance from the credit card companies at this point, going hey,

751
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: we're leaking too much money here, We've got to do

752
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: something about this. I don't know what kind of power

753
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: they have, but they're the ones that can get stuff done.

754
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: They're the ones that are losing.

755
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and we have seen a lot of people

756
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: also start claims with their credit card companies. So it's

757
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 4: just trying to find the avenues to try to get

758
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: your money back, right if it's either with your credit

759
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 4: card company, with the seller, with your carrier. You can

760
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 4: also try to send a report to your local police.

761
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 4: Usually one incident isn't enough for them to start an investigation,

762
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 4: but if it is something that's happening a lot in

763
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 4: your neighborhood, if you have other neighbors reporting in similar incidents,

764
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 4: there might be a chance that your police both are

765
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 4: an investigation. Yeah.

766
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously there's some areas that are probably more

767
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: prone to that. I don't know if do you have

768
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: any statistics on that or you know, is it is

769
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: it more like suburban? Is it more urban?

770
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 4: You know, we don't really have the stats on the areas,

771
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: but I assume that the most populated areas.

772
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you live in suburbia, probably, you know, the houses

773
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: are more spread out, there's more risk. But you know,

774
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: in the city or the town or whatever, you know,

775
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 2: you'd probably grab get something grabbed off your port. I mean,

776
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: if that were me, I probably invest in one of

777
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: those lockers, just because you don't want your stuff jacked

778
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: all the time. I'm sure it's pretty bad for a

779
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: lot of people in some areas. I'm sure it happens

780
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: all the time, and that's a whole other matter entirely. Yeah, anyway,

781
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: are there are the retailers themselves. We talked about shippers, Nasha,

782
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: but are retailers doing anything differently this year to address that?

783
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: Is there anything they can do?

784
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 4: No, We're not seeing them do necessarily anything different. But

785
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 4: when you do check out, sometimes they are offering, like

786
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 4: where you want to deliver, so you can either have

787
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 4: a delivery your home or like I said earlier, at

788
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 4: your local postal office.

789
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 2: All right, she's Nasha Edwards. Martinez was seen at the

790
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 2: managing editor there and it is their fourth annual holiday

791
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 2: package staff report eighty billion dollars vulnerable just this holiday season,

792
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: a lot and something like thirty percent of us Almost

793
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: a third of adults report that in the past year

794
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: they've had a package stolen, an attempt to mate or

795
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: know someone who was targeted. Imagine that just increases during

796
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: the holiday months as well. Not all the best, Thanks

797
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: for jumping.

798
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 4: On, Thank you for having me, have a good.

799
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: Great you too.

800
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've got a ring doorbell against security cameras.

801
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: But often you know the person you see a lot

802
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: of these videos, and the person has a car, not

803
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: always but sometimes parked on the street and then they

804
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: just run. And it's almost like you need not need

805
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: a camera remote camera on you're this is more suburban

806
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: than anybody like on your mailbox somewhere out near the

807
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: street to get the license plate number at least. Now

808
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: they have the flock cameras out there and the like,

809
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: and it's that's going to be awfully difficult. I'd imagine

810
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: law enforcement is already you know, they're already swapped. Are

811
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 2: they going to go and start pulling camera data because

812
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: you've got a package stolen? No, they're going to go, well, okay,

813
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 2: we'll keep an eye out. They're not going to find

814
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 2: that person because they just they don't have the resources

815
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: to be able to go after everyone that are stolen.

816
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: So it's almost like you got to do this on

817
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: your you know, your own. I've heard stories people saying

818
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: I know who it is and they still won't go

819
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 2: and you know, question the person or an act a

820
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: stop or anything along those lines. So you kind of

821
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: feel like, well, you're kind of on your own in

822
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: that one. But you know, at that point and then

823
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: now it gets into big brother issues too as well.

824
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: You're putting a camera out on a street or something

825
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: along those lines, that's rough. But in urban areas especially,

826
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: you know, if you got a lot of sidewalk lahouses together,

827
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: and you think of many areas of Cincinnati and northern

828
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: Kentucky where that's happening, I'm sure it's a pretty common

829
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 2: occurrence in a lot of places where stuff just disappears

830
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: from your front porch to the point where you probably

831
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: have delivered to your your place of work or an

832
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: Amazon locker somewhere. You know, a lot of retail places

833
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: are now doing that for you, where you can go

834
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: and pick your stuff up, and you know, it's more

835
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: of inconvenience because everyone's their stuff dropped off right in

836
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: front of your house. I know we do, but I

837
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: live in the suburbs and we I'm sure it happens,

838
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 2: but knock on wood, it hasn't happened to us yet.

839
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 2: And it's certainly a lot more enticing for thieves. Because

840
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: this holiday season alone, the average number of gifts that

841
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: and then this is the total total amount, it's well

842
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 2: over three hundred dollars per us adult, which is like

843
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 2: a ten dollars increase over last year as well. The

844
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: largest groups to do this are Gen X and baby boomers.

845
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: Accounting for the highest expected value of delivered package. Did

846
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: it makes sense because gen zers are maybe they're not

847
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: having stuff delivered because probably mom and Dad's house as

848
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: opposed to those are out on their own right now.

849
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're seeing a huge uptick in the number

850
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: of this, and i'd imagine with a record twelve billion

851
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: dollars spent this Black Friday this weekend, and probably a

852
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: number that's going to clipse that today being Cyber Monday.

853
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 2: Forewarned farm I don't else he can do, quite honestly.

854
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I remember the old videos the

855
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 2: guy who would put the glitter bombs out there, which

856
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 2: I always thought was awesome. You'd actually get a forget

857
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: the guys, and that's that's old. He'd get a bunch

858
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: of cell phones with cameras and put them in the

859
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 2: different orientations in the box, and they'd have a GPS

860
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: thing in it so they know where the package was,

861
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: and they'd upload the video and basically you'd see this

862
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: person who stole the package opening the box and this

863
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: is like the electronic countdown. You see the person's face

864
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: because there's cameras on the side of the box. And

865
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: I don't know how you know this when you're opening

866
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: the package, but all of a sudden, this glitter bomb

867
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: explodes and coach their entire living area with glitter. It's

868
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 2: pretty funny. I don't know if that guy's still doing

869
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: his videos or not. Have to google that and find out.

870
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: I always thought that was entertaining because you know, it's

871
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: a little back at you kind of thing. But we

872
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: none of us have the wherewithal or the knowledge to

873
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: be able to do something like that. The best you

874
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: can do is put a ring doorbell up and you know,

875
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 2: hopefully by the sea, hopefully you beat the porka the

876
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: porch pirates before you get home. That's about all you

877
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: can do. Or have a neighbor pick stuff up to

878
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, and I guess it's more of

879
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: an inca. Are you really losing money? No, because you

880
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: will get your money back if you put on a

881
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: credit card. Obviously the credit card company will do that,

882
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 2: and Amazon might or the shipper might. But you know,

883
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: it's just more than inconvenience of picking out a holiday

884
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: gift and then having it stolen. I will say, if

885
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: your mind works this way, you know, if you're notoriously

886
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 2: cheap or you just don't feel inspired to buy someone

887
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: a gift. You could always use the excuse if you

888
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: know it just came two days ago and it got stolen,

889
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: which is another good out, by the way, if you

890
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 2: forget to buy someone a gift you went to the listener,

891
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I totally forgot so and so a gift,

892
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: you could always use the excuse if you know, I

893
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: bought you something, someone stole it off our porch. So

894
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: I'm just what i'd say, And it's something you want

895
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 2: to overuse. But you know, in circumstances where you can

896
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: be forgetful and you have a lot I know you

897
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: you you've got a lot going on in your life

898
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: right now. There's a lot of things you got going on.

899
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 2: You might miss a recipient of a gift. Somebody might

900
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: bring you something. Of god, I bought you something, but

901
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: it got stolen from my fro oh and I got

902
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: it on reorder, but there's a back order. And then

903
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 2: maybe you know, you go long enough and they forget.

904
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: And just saying, I'm just trying to give you a

905
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: little just trying to give you an out. I care

906
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 2: about you. We'll get a news update in here on

907
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: the show on seven hundred WW with Sloane you want

908
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: to return. It is Mental Health Monday. Julie Hatters Share,

909
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: a licensed mental health therapist, is on the show once again,

910
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: and we talk about the holidays often and the joy

911
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: of being around family, but sometimes it's not that. It's

912
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: the fact that family members or a certain family member

913
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: is no longer at the table with us at Christmas

914
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: or Hanukkah or whatever it is your Holly or just

915
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: you know, over winter break for that matter. And it

916
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: has to do with grief and loss during the holiday season,

917
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: which is tough for a lot of people, a lot

918
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: of people going through it. We'll talk to Julie about

919
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: that coming up next on the show. On the Home

920
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 2: of the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred W welw. Everyone

921
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: needs help every now and then. I need help, and

922
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 2: she's here to help us get our heads right. This

923
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julietshe. I

924
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: need help. I don't know, it's not right. What's going

925
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 2: on here? Sloan here seven hundred W AL double to

926
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: Mental Health Monday. Our friend Julie h is on the show.

927
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: How is Your Thanksgiving? Everything rocking and rolling?

928
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 6: It was really great. We had people over, we did

929
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 6: a delicious dinner, we drank away too much wine, and

930
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 6: then it was perfect. It was everything you hope Thanksgiving

931
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 6: will be.

932
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: Did you have to clean up? That's the question.

933
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 6: Dan did all the cooking, so yes, I did all

934
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 6: the cleaning up. It was three rounds of dishes in

935
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 6: the dishwasher. But it was totally worth it because it

936
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 6: came down the next morning and the kitchen was spotless,

937
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 6: which is just such a nice feeling, isn't it.

938
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really, and that's nice when people We had

939
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: family over and they helped clean up the dishes. But

940
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: still it's like to at least two days worth of

941
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: doing dishes and putting stuff away. It's a whole huh,

942
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: the whole thing. Yeah, here's where I was stressed out.

943
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 2: This is why I need your mental health consoling right now. So,

944
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 2: in addition to hosting seven people, Michelle also decided this

945
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: is a good time. She got her knee done Wednesday,

946
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: so we're in surgery on Wednesday. I had a houseful

947
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: of people on Thursday and I did all the cooking,

948
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: and so I was I was a mess by Thursday night,

949
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: Like I couldn't even stand up anymore. After three days

950
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: cooking and because I'm running, you know, taking care of her.

951
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, I must. I was like,

952
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: I may need some therapy after this weekend. By Sunday,

953
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: I was completely out of it. So, yeah, it was

954
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 2: a good time. But I managed it. I managed it.

955
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 2: The food was good, no one got poisoned, it was good.

956
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: She's important, she's up walking around. Everybody's good. So I

957
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: love the holidays. I'm a big fan of this time

958
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: of year. Thanksgift fall fall especially, but Thanksgiving to Christmas,

959
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: nothing but fond memories. But I also appreciate that a

960
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: lot of people don't have those great memories, and it

961
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: could be difficult, especially if you sit down at the

962
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 2: table or under the tree, or there's presence and it's

963
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: the first year without someone close to you who had

964
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: passed away. A lot of people going through that right now.

965
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of people are going through grief and

966
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 6: sadness and loss around the holidays. And it's something that

967
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 6: I think we don't talk enough about. And you know,

968
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 6: there aren't any TV shows or movies about the holidays

969
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 6: that really focus on the bitter sweet part of it.

970
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 6: You know, the people you're missing the sadness that often

971
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 6: comes with the holidays. They focus on, you know, all

972
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 6: the hallmarks, snow and wonderfulness, and it's great. But if

973
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 6: it's the most wonderful time of the year and you're

974
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 6: not feeling it, that can be a real disconnect for people.

975
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 6: So I thought it was important to talk a little

976
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 6: bit about how many of us have some kind of

977
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 6: grief or sadness around the holidays, and how that's perfectly

978
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 6: normal and some things maybe we can do to help.

979
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, as dry is it the loss of

980
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: a loved one? Is that generally yet?

981
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 5: Well, it could be that.

982
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 3: For sure.

983
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 6: It could be estrangement from people that you used to

984
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 6: be in communication and in community with, but you're not anymore,

985
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 6: so you're out of touch with friends or family. It

986
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 6: could be that there are people that are present on

987
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 6: the planet but not present in your life at the moment.

988
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 6: So I'm thinking of people who's loved ones are away

989
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 6: and not able to get back home. They're far away,

990
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 6: they may not be able to communicate, And thinking of

991
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 6: people who may have people who are deployed in other

992
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 6: countries and they can't communicate. But I'm also thinking of

993
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 6: people who may have family or friends who are suffering

994
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 6: from an almost like dementia or Parkinson's disease, where they're

995
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 6: physically present, but they're not fully there, and so there's

996
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 6: this ambiguous loss that goes on with, you know, people

997
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 6: being physically present, but they themselves are not completely there,

998
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 6: and so you don't quite know how to handle that.

999
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 6: It could also be things like the loss of a

1000
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 6: job or not enough financial resources to make the holiday

1001
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 6: that you want possible. So there are a lot of

1002
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 6: things that contribute to this sense of sadness around the

1003
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 6: holidays that I think it's important for us to talk about.

1004
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: So ambiguous you mentioned ambiguous loss is that grief without resolution?

1005
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 5: Basic?

1006
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying?

1007
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 6: It can be grief without resolution, for sure, it can be.

1008
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 6: It tends to be more around people who are not

1009
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 6: permanently gone, but not currently in our lives or present.

1010
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 6: So I'm thinking of you people who have dementia or Alzheimer's.

1011
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 2: They're there, yeah, the thing that makes.

1012
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 6: Them them is not there.

1013
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: How does that?

1014
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: How does that differ? How does that differ than Julie

1015
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: from someone who's died, for example? What is it? Is

1016
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 2: it harder to process.

1017
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 6: It's different. I don't like to compare it as harder

1018
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 6: or easier.

1019
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 5: It's differently difficult.

1020
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 6: So they're not really gone, so you can't really grieve

1021
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 6: and more in them the way that you would someone

1022
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 6: who has died, but they're also not there anymore in

1023
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 6: the way that they were. So the them that you

1024
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 6: knew is not there, but their physical presence is. You're

1025
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 6: still engaging with them, you're still perhaps caring for them,

1026
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 6: you're still including them in the holidays, but they are

1027
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 6: not there, and so it can be confusing. You have

1028
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 6: these feelings of grief and law perhaps, but the person

1029
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 6: is sitting right in front of you, you're having a conversation,

1030
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 6: and they may be looseid in present in one moment,

1031
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 6: and then the next moment they're completely gone and you realize, oh,

1032
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 6: that moment that I had them, Yeah, that's never going

1033
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 6: to come again.

1034
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 5: That's gone.

1035
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 6: But they are still there physically, So it can be confusing.

1036
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're thinking of past memories that that's what

1037
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: the holidays are about, right, It's about tradition, it's about remembrance,

1038
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: it's about going back and I mean, look at all

1039
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: the holiday the holiday imagery is all built on tradition,

1040
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: and that's a odds with what you're talking about exactly.

1041
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 6: And also you realize that this person, if you are

1042
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 6: dealing with someone who has dementia or another illness like that,

1043
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 6: you realize they're not going to remember this, that there

1044
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 6: is no memory being made for them, that this is

1045
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 6: your experience alone. They're in it with you, but that

1046
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 6: they're not going to remember it. They're not going to

1047
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 6: really be fully present for it, and they're going to

1048
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 6: have no memory of it. Maybe five minutes from now,

1049
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 6: or maybe tomorrow morning, or maybe next week, they won't

1050
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 6: remember it. But there are other kinds of ambiguous loss.

1051
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 6: So somebody is present on the planet but not present

1052
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 6: in your life, so you're estranged from a family member,

1053
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 6: or you're estranged from your partner, or you're estranged from

1054
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 6: your children. They're there, but they're not with you, so

1055
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 6: you can't really grieve them as being gone, but they're

1056
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 6: not in your life. So there's this feeling of incompleteness

1057
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 6: and this feeling of having not real words for it.

1058
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,479
Speaker 6: You know, we know what to say when someone's dead,

1059
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 6: and we say I'm sorry for your loss, but what

1060
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 6: do you say in these situations.

1061
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're there, but they're not there. Oh, I

1062
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 2: understand it. Or there's a family member that's just a

1063
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: strange something happened and it's maybe it's this year, maybe

1064
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 2: it's a couple of years, and that often happens in families.

1065
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 6: Well, it's happening more and more frequently. As our world

1066
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 6: and our country in particular, become more polarized, there are

1067
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 6: more and more people who are choosing not to connect

1068
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 6: with or stay connected to family members that they had

1069
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 6: in the past because of that use, political beliefs where

1070
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 6: they land on the spectrum. In terms of that, there

1071
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 6: have always been people who've been disconnected because of religious

1072
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 6: differences to other people in their family, or they don't

1073
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 6: approve of choices that people have made. So it's always

1074
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Speaker 6: been there, but I think it's becoming more and more prevalent.

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Speaker 6: So you have family, but you're not spending the holiday

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Speaker 6: with them because you're out of connection and out of

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Speaker 6: communication with them. That's the kind of loss that we

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Speaker 6: don't really have a lot of words for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Julie hattersh here's here. It's spent all of

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Speaker 2: Monday on The Scots Loan Show on seven hundred w

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Speaker 2: LW and talking about the holidays intensifying feelings of grief,

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Speaker 2: especially when ambiguous lost meaning that person might be there

1083
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Speaker 2: and then you think of things like Alzheimer's and dementia

1084
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Speaker 2: when someone is there but they're not there, or just

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Speaker 2: just strange family members or people who are no longer

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Speaker 2: part of that circle anymore. Is that why it's important

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00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 2: to you? Know, there's that concept of chosen family. It's

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00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 2: probably pretty important, right. You don't get to choose your family,

1089
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Speaker 2: get to choose your friends, but a chosen family. Riding

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Speaker 2: yourself with people.

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Speaker 6: Like that, Yeah, surrounding yourself with people that you do

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Speaker 6: love and do care about you and who can be

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Speaker 6: present with and for you is important. Some people have

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00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 6: really small definitions of what makes family. Other people's definition

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00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 6: of that is more expansive. It can include people who've

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Speaker 6: been in your life for a while, with people who

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00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 6: are very important to you, and so focusing on spending

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Speaker 6: time with the people who are there rather than focusing

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00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 6: on what's missing can be really really helpful, and creating

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Speaker 6: new traditions and new rituals around the new reality of

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Speaker 6: your life. So you used to go to Aunt Suzie's

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Speaker 6: for Christmas every year. Well, you're no longer in communication

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Speaker 6: with Aunt Suzie, and so now you have to find

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Speaker 6: a new thing to do for Christmas. But making that

1105
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Speaker 6: a positive I'm creating something new, versus a negative I

1106
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 6: can't do that anymore. I don't have what I had,

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Speaker 6: can help shift the balance a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I would think typically when you talk about a strange

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Speaker 2: relationships with the most common thing during the holidays, Julie,

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Speaker 2: there's probably a tremendous pressure because of familial expectations or

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00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: just how you're wired to heal even when it may

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Speaker 2: not be your fault or out of your control. And

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00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: then you go back to that person or persons and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know it's important part because you're trying to put

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00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: it you're trying to put it all back together again.

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Speaker 2: Is that a good idea?

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00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 6: It can be, It isn't always. It really depends, I

1118
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 6: think on if we're talking what it costs you to

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Speaker 6: heal that relationship, how much of yourself and your morals

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Speaker 6: and your values and your time and your energy and

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Speaker 6: your patience do you have to give in order to

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Speaker 6: smooth things over with that person? If the two, if

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Speaker 6: the people involved can come to agreement about how they're

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Speaker 6: going to conduct their relationship after this split, and both

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00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 6: feel like they're getting enough to make what they're giving worthwhile,

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Speaker 6: then yeah, that can be a really wonderful thing. But

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00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 6: if it's you feel like you have to heal this

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Speaker 6: at all costs, and you give up so much of

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00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 6: yourself or your values or your belief system, or your

1130
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Speaker 6: time or your energy or your patience in order to

1131
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 6: do that, if it costs you more than you get

1132
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Speaker 6: back from the from healing the relationship, then in the

1133
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Speaker 6: long run, it might not be a good idea for you.

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00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 6: It might actually be detrimental to your well being going forward.

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00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 6: So really you kind of have to do the math

1136
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 6: and say how much do I have to give and

1137
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Speaker 6: is it worth it to me.

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Speaker 5: To do that?

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Speaker 2: You know, And here's a little bit behind the curtain.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we go through that in our family, and

1141
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Speaker 2: on my side of the family in particular, we have

1142
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Speaker 2: a loved one who i'ven't talked to in quite some time.

1143
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: We're talking years now, and someone who is instrumental in

1144
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 2: my childhood and growing up, and it just they became

1145
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: self absorbed and toxic and had a blow up, and

1146
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: like you know, I've seen this play out before, and

1147
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: you know, you come back and try to put back together,

1148
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: and what happens is you just encourage more of that behavior,

1149
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: or that they have to realize the mistake they made

1150
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: and own up to that. I don't feel it's my

1151
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: job to go and try and bridge that made some

1152
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: overtures in the past, but you know they've got to admit. Hey, listen,

1153
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: you know what, it's not always about me one hundred

1154
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 2: percent of the time. There's other people involved here, and

1155
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, and it's difficult because the holidays,

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00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 2: and this person's older and I don't know how many

1157
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 2: more holidays will have left. But I don't feel that's

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Speaker 2: on me. I think that's okay.

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Speaker 6: I think that's okay too. And what I like about

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Speaker 6: what you've said is you've tried to make some overtures,

1161
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Speaker 6: but this person, the other person involved, isn't doing their part.

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Speaker 6: They're not taking accountability, they're not taking ownership, they're not

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Speaker 6: choosing to make the changes that would make this relationship worthwhile.

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Speaker 6: So it sounds to me like if you were going

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Speaker 6: to heal this rift, it would be you doing all

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Speaker 6: of the work, You making all of the confessions, you

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00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 6: putting all of the effort and energy in and the

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Speaker 6: other person just continuing to be exactly as they have

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Speaker 6: been without making any changes or accommodations on their part.

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Speaker 6: That is rarely healthy. I'm not going to say never,

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Speaker 6: but that is rarely healthy.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're just encouraging worse behavior and for it to

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Speaker 2: happen again, you are.

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Speaker 6: And even if worst behavior happen again, but even if

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Speaker 6: it is not that it's one person is putting in

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Speaker 6: the vast majority of the effort and the energy and

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Speaker 6: making the vast majority of the accommodations and the concessions

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Speaker 6: in a relationship, and it's not reciprocal. That inherently is

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Speaker 6: not a healthy relationship. Unless we're talking about adult parent

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01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 6: to child child, not adult child, but child child, where

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Speaker 6: parents do put in a lot more of the effort

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Speaker 6: and energy to the relationship, but we're talking about age contemporaries.

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Speaker 6: That's not healthy. So inherently, a non reciprocal relationship is

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Speaker 6: not going to benefit you in the long run.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that may apply also to relationship with your parents.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of people who have fallen

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Speaker 2: out with their mom and dad over what we talked

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01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 2: about with the visitors in America these days, that's a

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Speaker 2: pretty common thing. And at what point do you go, Hey,

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Speaker 2: it's my mom and dad. I should try and make

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Speaker 2: amends that. I mean, you can only go You got

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Speaker 2: to meet halfway.

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Speaker 6: You got to meet halfway. The other person has to

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Speaker 6: be willing and able to accommodate and to make some confessions.

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Speaker 6: You don't have to, for example, agree on religion or politics,

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01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 6: but you can't agree not to talk about it and

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Speaker 6: not to bate the other person into an argument about it,

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Speaker 6: and to respect the disagreements that you have and to

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Speaker 6: find common ground in other areas. But if one of

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Speaker 6: you is willing to do that and the other one

1201
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 6: is not willing to do that, then one is giving

1202
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Speaker 6: more dramatically more than the other to cement this relationship.

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Speaker 6: And inherently it may not be worth it to do that.

1204
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 6: The cost may be too high, and only go ahead.

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Speaker 6: Only you, Only you can make that determination. You have

1206
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 6: to decide if you're the one who's estranged from someone,

1207
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Speaker 6: is this relationship worth paying what I have to pay

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Speaker 6: and doing what I have to do to make it work.

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Speaker 6: Maybe the answers, Yet, maybe the answers no, but I

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Speaker 6: will tell you that if it is not reciprocal, if

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Speaker 6: you're doing most of the work inherently, that's unsustainable and

1212
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Speaker 6: not healthy in the long term.

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Speaker 5: Fair enough.

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Speaker 2: Julie Hatters Share, licensed mental health therapist here in Cincinnati

1215
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 2: mental health Monday on the Scott Sloan Show. If you

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01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: have question, concerned comments, where you can reach out to

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Speaker 2: her at Hey Julie Atbconnected dot care every Monday morning.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it, have a great week. We'll chat next Friday.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Take care. We get news on the way

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Speaker 2: in just about five minutes here on seven hundred WLW.

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01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: The future of autonomous vehicles is here? Howso I know this?

1222
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 2: In Dubai they are testing, literally testing driverless air taxis

1223
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Speaker 2: not only flying machines, but driverless flying machines. That's in Dubai.

1224
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Speaker 2: How's that going to work in the United States? I mean,

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Speaker 2: we have autonomous vehicles here that are being tested on

1226
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Speaker 2: the West Coast, and there is a huge groundswell of

1227
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Speaker 2: people saying we shouldn't be doing this, it's too whatever

1228
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Speaker 2: the excuse might be. If that's the future, why are

1229
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Speaker 2: we fighting them? At Taranowski in that coming up after

1230
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Speaker 2: news on seven hundred w W Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American.

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Speaker 2: It's lonely here, seven hundred WLW. The driverless taxi revolution

1233
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 2: is hits. That's like it's on crack and meth at

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Speaker 2: the same time. I don't know if you can do that,

1235
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Speaker 2: but let's give it a shot. They're driving, they're testing

1236
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Speaker 2: driverless air taxis now in Dubai like not just you're

1237
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 2: going wait, wait what, Yeah, we have air taxis that

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Speaker 2: are now driverless. And then here at home we're a

1239
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 2: little behind that. But Waymo company called Waymo's rolling out

1240
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Speaker 2: fully autonomous rides on freeways out west. So what would

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01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 2: slow that migration east out this way? Because if you

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Speaker 2: look at well, for example, holiday traffic or Black Friday

1243
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 2: traffic is to night. But imagine taking a air taxi

1244
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 2: somewhere or hell, just an autonomous taxi to get you

1245
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 2: from point A to point B would be amazing. The

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Speaker 2: other problem with that, of course, is labor groups and

1247
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 2: local governments dig their heels and things like. That's the

1248
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 2: age old class between innovation and status quo protectionism. On

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Speaker 2: that is Ed Taranowski's writing in Reason on this. He's

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Speaker 2: a senior young voices contributor. Welcome back at Hi, Ben.

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Speaker 5: I've been great. It's so it's great to be on

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Speaker 5: the show. Thanks turning me on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no worries. So you think about it right there.

1254
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Speaker 2: And I love history as and indicator future behavior. I'm

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01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 2: sure you do too. So the first automobiles come along,

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01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 2: and farmers hated them because they scared their horses. And

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01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,919
Speaker 2: you had moral crusaders clutching their pearls worry that cars

1258
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Speaker 2: are going to become bedrooms on wheels for young people

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Speaker 2: to have sex in it. Well, okay, they were right

1260
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Speaker 2: on that one, but maybe it was like stable owners

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Speaker 2: and blacksmiths and harness makers and the guys who made

1262
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Speaker 2: bug big buggy whip tried to shut all this down.

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Speaker 2: It didn't work. We have electric cars now, right, and

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01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 2: even electricity had irrational fears. It was the battle between

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Speaker 2: AC and DC, Westinghouse and Edison and AC was too

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Speaker 2: dangerous and fire prone. It was more fire prone than

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Speaker 2: gas flames on streets or houses. You know, you had candelabras,

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Speaker 2: You had chandeliers that were literally were open flames for

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Speaker 2: crying out loud. Nothing's less th that.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: They tried to jem up something called electricity sickness, meaning

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01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 2: the RF from the electricity makes people ill, and of

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01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: course the more prosuders. Once again clutching you had a

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01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 2: new set of pearls. The immorality of unnatural light disrupted

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01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:15,919
Speaker 2: God's natural order of day and light. So we've every

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01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 2: time we have technology, we have those kind of crusades.

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Speaker 2: Is this just more of that thinking?

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Speaker 5: Oh, it certainly is, and I mean it's more of

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Speaker 5: that thinking. And you know, we are absolutely right with

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Speaker 5: innovation always comes so secure it and we're not seeing

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Speaker 5: anything differently when it comes to draggles cars, what we're

1282
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 5: seeing is that they're vastly safer than cars driven by humans.

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Speaker 5: Weimo Had, which is a company that is already on

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Speaker 5: the hazard Vehicles service on the streets. They recently released

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Speaker 5: some of that safety data showing ninety one percent or

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Speaker 5: serious injury crashes in their driverles vehicles versus cars driven

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Speaker 5: by people. That is a vast decline and crashes and

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Speaker 5: making it makes through much safer. So what we're one

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Speaker 5: of the things were being cited a news across the

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Speaker 5: country as a reason for regulating or heavily restricting or

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Speaker 5: even outright banning the type of service safety is often

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Speaker 5: one of the things cited that's just not in line

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Speaker 5: what we're seeing because travels cars are bactly safer.

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Speaker 2: What's the data on that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So for example, we're seeing compare and like I said,

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Speaker 5: WEYMO released some data comparing what they're seeing in their

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Speaker 5: vehicles versus cars driven by humans, and what we're seeing

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Speaker 5: the name off you is ninety one percent fewer serious

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Speaker 5: injury crashes, ninety two percent, fewer pedestrian crashes with injuries,

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Speaker 5: seventy nine percent, fewer crashes resulting in airbag deployment. And

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Speaker 5: those are just three among among others that they've released.

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Speaker 5: So it's a really exciting time and I think we're

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Speaker 5: only going to We're going to see this continue to expand.

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Speaker 5: So it's I'm rigging that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's hard to refute that. I mean, again,

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Speaker 2: you'd have to look at the data and how they

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Speaker 2: come up with those numbers. But a ninety percent reduction

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Speaker 2: in anything, we think we'd be jumping up and down

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Speaker 2: saying hey we need that right now, we need it

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Speaker 2: here because of safety issues. We have distracted drivers, bad drivers,

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Speaker 2: stolen cars. Uh, so many accidents you know with people

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Speaker 2: stealing cars, and we have another fatality just recently here

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Speaker 2: and it seems like it's a steady drumpy to that

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Speaker 2: a lot of this, a lot of that wouldn't happen

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Speaker 2: with this wouldn't.

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, that's absolutely right, and that's a that's

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Speaker 5: socaing about Wamo and that's that's one of the things

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Speaker 5: that they privates on is the safety that they're going

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Speaker 5: to be, the increase in safety they're going to be

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Speaker 5: offering those services, and and they're really continue to expand.

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Speaker 5: I mean right now they're they're already operating in many cities,

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Speaker 5: they're trying, they're continuing to expand new cities and how

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Speaker 5: sitting at the highway, so I think what we're going

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Speaker 5: to see is Waimo and companies offering driver the services

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Speaker 5: kind of getting closer to the level of that Uber

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Speaker 5: and List offers in terms of how widespread their services are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but the handwringing, tell me about the cat? What

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Speaker 2: about the cats? Right? And what about the cats?

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Speaker 5: Well? Right, the data contents go, well, the story of

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Speaker 5: behind this is uh away a quote Badega cat, as

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Speaker 5: neighbors called it, jumped out in front of a Waimo vehicle.

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Speaker 5: As it was, it jumped out in the street as

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Speaker 5: a WAYMO vehicle was I was exiting and unfortunately the

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Speaker 5: cat was hit. And listen, like, the death of a

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Speaker 5: pet is always a tragedy. However, what we're seeing is

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Speaker 5: we saw all this outrage. A San Francisco City commissioner

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Speaker 5: called a rally over this and used it as a

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Speaker 5: reason to rally support for new restrictions. We saw it

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Speaker 5: picked up in rolling Stone and here's the thing. Like,

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Speaker 5: like I said, is always a tragedy, But what we're

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Speaker 5: seeing is waymos and driverless vehicles were vastly safer, meeting

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Speaker 5: fewer pests pet deaths. It's safer for petsil on the whole.

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Speaker 5: So using one example versus looking at the overwhelming the

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Speaker 5: general evidence is not how we should be making policy.

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Speaker 2: Back to the pear clutching thing again, right to say

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Speaker 2: cat jumped out in front of a driverless car, it's

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Speaker 2: a driverless car. Well, a cat jumps out in front

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Speaker 2: of a you know, a human run machine. It's probably

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Speaker 2: things that was going to happen. And at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, it's a we're going to stop this

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Speaker 2: because of feral cats. It doesn't make a lot of sense,

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Speaker 2: But again it sounds like the same protections that we

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Speaker 2: talked about with cars that begin with are electricity for

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Speaker 2: that matter?

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Speaker 5: All right, I imagine a rolling stone article every time a

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Speaker 5: person hit a cat or a dog.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's absurd, right, right right? Why wouldn't you

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Speaker 2: do that too? How much does labor organizations in big

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Speaker 2: labor factor in to this too?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Big time? And what we're seeing Boston is the most

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Speaker 5: dark example, but I'm not picking in Boston. This is

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Speaker 5: going on across the country, but there was recently what

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Speaker 5: we saw there is this summer some special interesting unions

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Speaker 5: that they're called for and they have support on the

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Speaker 5: Buston City Council for this, amongst several city councilors for

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Speaker 5: an advisory board of quote, trade unionists and other stakeholders. Essentially,

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Speaker 5: what this to do is create an advisory board where

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Speaker 5: you would have industry competitors sitting on being quite in

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Speaker 5: a position of regulatory power and influence. And that's not

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Speaker 5: we want to see. We want to see free, open,

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Speaker 5: open competition, free markets. We don't want to see government

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Speaker 5: picking winners and losers. We want a new technology to

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Speaker 5: be able to continue innovating. We want America to continue leading,

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Speaker 5: so we want to keep government out of it. We

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Speaker 5: don't want to see government being listed as as a

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Speaker 5: as a tool to against your competition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could imagine the teamsters aren't too happy about this.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's certainly not. And they're one of the leading voices,

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Speaker 5: not just in Boston, but across the country. We saw,

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Speaker 5: for example, we see them rallying coort at the House

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Speaker 5: plus Country in New York, California, in Texas against tribalist peoples.

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Speaker 5: And again, we all we want to see here is

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Speaker 5: we just want to see open competition. We don't we're not.

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Speaker 5: We don't want to see one one favorite of it

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Speaker 5: the other. We just want to see each each type

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Speaker 5: of industry UH competitor to be able to compete.

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Speaker 2: Really, it's like a long shorem in they're fighting against

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Speaker 2: you know, robotic systems at Ports of California and ol

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Speaker 2: swear for that matter. It's losing battle because the rest

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Speaker 2: of the world is doing this. It's saving money and

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Speaker 2: labor and UH production costs. And you know, when when

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Speaker 2: you have hundreds of cargo ships waiting to be unloaded,

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Speaker 2: if a robot can do it, faster, that's probably going

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Speaker 2: to go that way. But with this, this is this

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Speaker 2: is the age old American battle. You know, when you

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Speaker 2: live in a country in which we live, the blessing

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Speaker 2: is we have this wonderful technology. It's always changing, always evolving,

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Speaker 2: and creating new sectors of jobs almost overnight. The bad

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Speaker 2: side is it's going to displace people, whether it's that

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Speaker 2: or AI.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm so glad you brought that up, especially Court.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this is really important for your listeners to

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Speaker 5: sort some background obviously. I mean, China has pretty much

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Speaker 5: finished automating the reports. They're working twenty four hours a day.

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Speaker 5: They're working much more quickly than we are. It's God

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Speaker 5: forbid there's ever a conflict, a global conflict that breaks out,

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Speaker 5: China would be far ahead of us. And how fast

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Speaker 5: they can use their manufacturing I mean, it's not so

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Speaker 5: much manufacturing and shipping capabilities. Because of the way that

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Speaker 5: labor has pushed against automation here in the US, at

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Speaker 5: our courts, it has made us vastly lower and it's

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Speaker 5: a national sperit with and what we want to see

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Speaker 5: is we want to see our innovation being able to

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Speaker 5: be fully realized and used to keep us ahead competitively globally.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: If you look at World War two, for example, we

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Speaker 2: quickly mobilized and changed from from production to war production, uh,

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Speaker 2: literally overnight in America, and we won the war through attrition.

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Speaker 2: We lost a lot of planes, but we could make

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Speaker 2: more planes than the Axis could make.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And that's what won the war. Was it like, hey,

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Speaker 2: we were better at you know, uh, you know, better

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Speaker 2: dog fighters or soldiers. No, we we just lost a

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Speaker 2: bunch of equipment that we could easily replace because we

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Speaker 2: had the machinery and we had the natural resource to

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Speaker 2: be able to do that. It sounds like, you know,

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Speaker 2: you mentioned a global crisis, but China's already there. They

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Speaker 2: had that infrastructure in place. They don't have to do

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Speaker 2: it overnight.

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Speaker 5: Right, And that's that's what that's the risk is. And

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Speaker 5: in worse, the little automation that we do have at

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Speaker 5: our courts is often Chinese made tech. And I don't

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Speaker 5: know if you've heard about this, but over in I

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Speaker 5: believe it was in Denmark, there was a situation where

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Speaker 5: they discovered that they had buses that were made in

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Speaker 5: China and they discovered that there was the uh there

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Speaker 5: the Chinese were able to actually uh. They had a

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Speaker 5: function where they could switch off the control systems of

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Speaker 5: the buses remotely. UH and they have to quickly uh

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Speaker 5: a tool with the buses that make to take that

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Speaker 5: piece out. That is alarming. Can you imagine if our

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Speaker 5: the technology in our courts uh had something like this

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Speaker 5: uh and if there were a global crisis that they

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Speaker 5: could cripple us. I mean, this is there are so

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Speaker 5: many reasons why we need to we need to stay

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Speaker 5: ahead in this race. We can't let UH special interests

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Speaker 5: hould us back, hold hold back innovation, to hold back

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Speaker 5: the future. We need to continue to American continued to lead.

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Speaker 5: We want we want new technology being built in our values,

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Speaker 5: pree markets, free expressions, and we want to be able

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Speaker 5: to stay competitive globally.

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Speaker 2: Well I mean, call it what it is. But at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day, America is one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: about saving cats in China. Couldn't care less.

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Speaker 5: That's right, And listen, I'm a pet lover myself, but

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Speaker 5: and that's why I love, That's why I love drive vehicles.

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Speaker 2: Right save China. They don't care. They're running cats, They're

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Speaker 2: running budegat cats over the left. And I'm not surely

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Speaker 2: that Budegue is in China. But nonetheless I think I

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Speaker 2: think you got the I think you got the point.

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Speaker 2: But the political landscape here right as you have labor

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Speaker 2: backed Democrats that oppose autonomous vehicles AI and stuff like that,

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Speaker 2: is is there a bipartisan shift going on?

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Speaker 5: Well, I turned. One thing I am excited about at

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Speaker 5: the federal level is we're seeing the Trump administration announcing

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Speaker 5: a new set of federal AI regulation where essentially where

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Speaker 5: it makes it so there's a coheated regulations that early

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Speaker 5: and that we're not seeing such a flurry of different

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Speaker 5: ones across the state because that will allow innov AI

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Speaker 5: heed to innovate and not be because if there are

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Speaker 5: so many different standards that make it very difficult. And

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Speaker 5: an example that I use is how the Obama administration

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Speaker 5: back to the day allowed the only California to be able

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Speaker 5: to set their own admissions rules in the other states.

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Speaker 5: So essentially the California set the standards of the nation

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Speaker 5: because car companies aren't going to make cars for just

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Speaker 5: California and then to the rest of the country. So

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Speaker 5: what we're seeing the Trup administration do here is they're

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Speaker 5: setting one cohesion through a rule, so it's not just

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Speaker 5: a bunch of different regulations, different ones that AI has

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Speaker 5: to keep up with or not letting one state kind

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Speaker 5: of set the standards for the whole country.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha, but on a local level because Ed Taranowski with

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Speaker 2: young Voices and also right about this in reason we

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Speaker 2: have local regulators to state where there's a regulatory framework

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Speaker 2: that goes on here too. And it's you know, I

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Speaker 2: can almost hear the cries about tech oligarchs, like you

1490
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 2: know that we got to stop the Musks and the

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01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 2: bezos Is of the world from running our lives because

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Speaker 2: these are kings and they just care about money and

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Speaker 2: not technology, and it's going to just de troy the

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Speaker 2: fabric of our communities, et cetera. That's another angle outside

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Speaker 2: of DC. It's even worse, I think, locally, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely? And I love your point about the technolog arch.

1497
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 5: So I got to kick out of something I spread recently.

1498
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 5: I believe it was Elizabeth Warrene who posted on x

1499
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 5: the picture of her Maralex, mom, Donnie and Leon Kahn,

1500
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 5: and she this was she put the post that uh text,

1501
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 5: the rich billionaire tier is not pictured and this was

1502
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 5: on the same day that Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin has

1503
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:35,240
Speaker 5: become the second company an institution ever in the world

1504
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 5: to land a orbital booster. And what this has this

1505
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 5: what's so mentally beneficial about this is that makes it

1506
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:45,479
Speaker 5: so much cheaper. When you can reland this, uh, this

1507
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 5: type of rocket booster, you can make space missions much cheaper.

1508
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 5: That made better internet connection, better, cheaper space missions, better

1509
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 5: GPS and better weather predictions and all we can all

1510
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 5: do it much cheaper.

1511
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: Environment too, there's an environment component there.

1512
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 5: Too, Oh, absolutely absolutely, and that work. It was just

1513
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 5: I believe this post compared to have that happening on

1514
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 5: the same day, was so comfortable to me. It really

1515
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 5: set the contrast between the doers and the complainers or

1516
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 5: what I like to say, the builders versus the central planners. Yeah,

1517
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 5: I mean it's based and envy and they just and

1518
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 5: for them not to see the benefit of that private

1519
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 5: investment first because okay, they want to tax they say

1520
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 5: billionaire shouldn't exist. Do we does any is anybody really

1521
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,360
Speaker 5: convinced that taxing? Uh they those out of billionaires statuses.

1522
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 5: Just do you really really think the federal government was sending

1523
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 5: that money better than the innovation that he's creating and

1524
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 5: a value he's creating for humanity with disorbital bluetood this innovation. Again,

1525
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 5: no other institution does space. The only other company who's

1526
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 5: accomplished this is basic. No other institution in the world,

1527
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 5: no other government, no one else has accomplished this or

1528
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 5: So that's why we're seeing the way with this money

1529
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 5: being working in the private sector, we're seeing massive benefits.

1530
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 5: And I just I got to kick out of that contrast.

1531
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that that's a funny illustration's missed on

1532
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 2: those people. The lot of it just want to protect,

1533
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 2: you know, it's about protection. Is we're going to do

1534
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 2: things the way we always have. But that's not America

1535
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 2: at all. I mean that that that might be a

1536
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 2: third world country. That might be I don't know, Afghanistan.

1537
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 2: But you know, we live in the twenty first century,

1538
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 2: not the second century.

1539
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,760
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And I love your aligned about the way we've

1540
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 5: always done things. I think I always say those are

1541
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,480
Speaker 5: some of the most dangerous word in the English language.

1542
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 5: Besides you know, Reagan said the most dangerous. Of course,

1543
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 5: I'm from the government here to help. This might be

1544
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:34,360
Speaker 5: this might be ranked number two because physically we've really

1545
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 5: done this way is not a reason not to look

1546
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 5: at doing them differently. And you know I work in education,

1547
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 5: so I can tell you that bely that's education, right. So,

1548
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 5: but with tech is the same thing. I mean, and

1549
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 5: you're right, that is not America because for all of

1550
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 5: history we've been you know, we've ben pioneers, innovators, uh,

1551
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 5: and we want to continue to see that. And we

1552
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 5: still have that spirit, I think, the spirit of risk

1553
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,600
Speaker 5: in this country, that capitalism like a rewarding risk is

1554
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 5: really of high value and they want to see that

1555
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 5: that continue to be rewarded because you know, it's what

1556
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 5: we've seen is it is it ESSENTI advises innovation and

1557
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 5: that's just that's going to continue to make our lives better.

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01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 2: Well, the clickban and this would be socialists say this

1559
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 2: one old weird trick, which of course is what you

1560
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 2: just talked about there with the rise of socialism though,

1561
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 2: isn't that directly odds with what you're talking about?

1562
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah, it's it's certainly riskent. What we're seeing

1563
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 5: in New York is uh, it's concerning. But I do

1564
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 5: I am a little bit uh cautiously optimistic. We did

1565
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 5: see the city council elect someone who's uh the socials

1566
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 5: through up in arms. Not have they say always he's

1567
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,559
Speaker 5: in because she's not lefty enough for them. So I'm

1568
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 5: hoping that maybe we'll see a check on mom Donnie there.

1569
01:19:46,439 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 5: But but it is concerning the rise of the popularity

1570
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 5: of socialism and those ideas, particularly among younger people. I

1571
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 5: think what we're seeing here is and I think about housing,

1572
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 5: a lot, housing, and you know I would like to

1573
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 5: own house. They too, So I and I live in

1574
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 5: I live in an expensive city. So I understand why

1575
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 5: this is so frustrating. But the problem is, uh, capitalism

1576
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 5: isn't at fault here. It's uh, it's government and socialism

1577
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 5: getting in the way. You see, Uh they're all over

1578
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 5: regulating there. They're they're they're making too difficult to build

1579
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 5: housing for developers to get in and meet demands. So

1580
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 5: the problem is we need to get better messaging that

1581
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 5: and creating real policy. We need to get in there.

1582
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 5: And I use housing as an example. Let developers build,

1583
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 5: let them meet, let's them, let's us supply. Let's build

1584
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 5: a supply to meet the demand for housing. And then

1585
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 5: we see we see housing prices coming down so of

1586
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 5: course to combat this, we need to we need to

1587
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 5: use capitalism, not project capitalism, and we need to message that.

1588
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 5: And if we don't, people are going to continue to blame.

1589
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 5: It's easy to blame capitalism, but we need to message first,

1590
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 5: message why this is really happening? Yeah uh, and then

1591
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 5: use capitalism as a solution, and then you know, we'll

1592
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 5: see and we can bring we can convince people through

1593
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 5: results of how capitaliks and why capitaliaks the work.

1594
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,880
Speaker 2: Hey Tarnowski you writing this in Reason magazine. He's a

1595
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 2: senior Young Voices contributor and joining the show again had

1596
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 2: always good thought thoughtful stuff. I appreciate you content man.

1597
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on.

1598
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:14,759
Speaker 5: Oh, always a pleasure to be on the show.

1599
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 2: Be well, We've got a news update seconds away here

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW. When we return, we also have

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01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 2: the Bengals shocking the world. Is it possible? Is there

1602
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 2: a path now after beating Baltimore? Is there a path

1603
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 2: to win the division? Repeat on this next on the

1604
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 2: show seven hundred ww Sloni here seven hundred WLW. So

1605
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 2: you're saying there's a chance, there's a chance. It's hard

1606
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 2: to fathom, but with the Bengals, beating the Ravens thirty

1607
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 2: two to fourteen on Thursday night and Thanksgiving night. There's

1608
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,679
Speaker 2: a path here, believe it or not, just the playoffs.

1609
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 2: James Rapine for Massiz Lockdown Bengals, of course is the

1610
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 2: daily podcast, but also Bengals Talk dot Com joins the

1611
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 2: show once again. Didn't expect this conversation on a Monday

1612
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 2: following the Thursday game, James, because normally we like to

1613
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 2: talk about the game the day after this. You know,

1614
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 2: you play Sunday, you talk on Monday. But the whole

1615
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,080
Speaker 2: city's buzzing about Joe Burrow returning and there's a chance

1616
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 2: that the Bengals could win the AFC North Welcome.

1617
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:18,799
Speaker 5: How you doing, I'm doing great, score, I'm.

1618
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 2: Doing fine, bolstered by the news Joe Burrow returns and

1619
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 2: all is well with the world.

1620
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 1: Now.

1621
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that this team doesn't have deep problems.

1622
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that the Baltimore Ravens aren't more problematic than

1623
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,080
Speaker 2: the Bengals are right now as they're at six and six.

1624
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 2: It's the division no one wants to win, James.

1625
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 5: It is, it really is, and you're right, like the

1626
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,960
Speaker 5: path is there and the Bengals still need a little

1627
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:49,679
Speaker 5: bit of help. But you shouldn't be in the AFC

1628
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 5: North hunt at four and eight going into December, like

1629
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 5: that shouldn't be something that is even remotely possible, and

1630
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 5: yet it is. This Bengals team is two games back.

1631
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 5: They could use a little help this week. But by

1632
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,680
Speaker 5: with Baltimore now beating that they play the Steelers, you

1633
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 5: want Baltimore to win that game, Bengals fans, just for

1634
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 5: everyone paying attention to keeping score at home. But yeah,

1635
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 5: it's it's just on the surface that the division that

1636
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 5: I usually considered the best division in football, obviously that's

1637
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 5: not the case this year. But the AFC North, there

1638
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:31,559
Speaker 5: are three teams in contention, none of them have winning records.

1639
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,360
Speaker 5: Two are at five hundred and the other four and

1640
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 5: eight and still in the mix here entering week fourteen.

1641
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unreal because you mentioned that the Steelers play

1642
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 2: the Ravens next up, and the Bengals are in Buffalo

1643
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 2: this weekend. You know, being a Bills fan, had missed it.

1644
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be at that game this coming weekend. By

1645
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 2: the way, the Steelers, I just don't know what to

1646
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 2: make of this team. Someone said, like, OK, and they

1647
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 2: just they absolutely collapse. I mean the personal fouls and

1648
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 2: the student pidity with Hayward and just it was it

1649
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 2: was very uncharacteristic stealers. I mean they they've always been

1650
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 2: kind of a cheap shot team, no doubt about it.

1651
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 2: You know Patrick Queen, for example, I thought that was

1652
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 2: just absolutely flagrant, and then he got hurt on the

1653
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 2: very next play. So maybe there's some football gods at play.

1654
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure. But it's funny because you know,

1655
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 2: if you're a diehard Bengals fan, you are rooting root

1656
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 2: for the Bills last night, and and then you know

1657
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 2: this week you got at Buffalo, So uh, it's gonna

1658
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 2: be an interesting weekend of football watching the AFC North.

1659
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 2: How this all shakes out.

1660
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 5: It is, it is, and it's it's fun because they're

1661
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 5: playing each other and they're also playing another contender in

1662
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:45,320
Speaker 5: the Bills, and Daniel s Frans go from rooting for

1663
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 5: the Bills last night in Buffalo handled business to now

1664
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 5: you got to find a way to beat them in Buffalo,

1665
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,960
Speaker 5: and and there's no margin for error. I think that's

1666
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 5: the thing I really want to stress here because a

1667
01:24:57,880 --> 01:25:00,200
Speaker 5: lot of people are going to hear us talking about

1668
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 5: playoffs and all of those things. Four and eight, well, yeah,

1669
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 5: because they got to win out and so you got

1670
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 5: to win five more games, six straight going into last week,

1671
01:25:09,479 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 5: now five straight because they hangled business months and the

1672
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 5: Bengals seem oddly comfortable in these scenarios. I don't know

1673
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 5: why they are, but they are. And I'm not saying

1674
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 5: they're going to go to Buffalo and win, but it

1675
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 5: just it feels like most teams would break knowing they

1676
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 5: have to win six straight, and the Bengals, starting with

1677
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow, are sort of comfortable in those situations. Whether

1678
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:38,719
Speaker 5: or not it happens, we'll see, but they certainly believe

1679
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,000
Speaker 5: at this point that they are going to do that

1680
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 5: and get to nine and eight and get to a

1681
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 5: winning record for a sixth straight season.

1682
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:47,920
Speaker 2: I think if the Bengals can stop the run, they

1683
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:49,520
Speaker 2: beat the Bills. It's that simple.

1684
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 5: If they do. If they can do that, and that's

1685
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 5: not something the Bengals have done well. And I think

1686
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 5: about James Cook and that rushing attack and how patient

1687
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 5: he's on and I think that's the thing that stands

1688
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 5: out to me about him, is he will stop. He's

1689
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 5: got some Le'Veon Bell patience to him and then boom,

1690
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 5: instant speed. And we've seen him have some huge runs

1691
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 5: this year and he's a real weapon for them, so yeah,

1692
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 5: you can slow him down. Well, then, Josh Allen's still

1693
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 5: a big concern. But it does take away a huge

1694
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 5: element of their offense because they don't have the Jamar

1695
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 5: Chase and Key Higgins is outside at wide receiver.

1696
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have the has no weapons. That's the problem.

1697
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 2: He's running it with his feet and now that's another

1698
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 2: element to it. S up in, Josh, and you worry

1699
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 2: about that putting your court pirate parrels there as goes

1700
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 2: your quarterback, goes the rest of the team, whether it's

1701
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 2: still Burrow Josh Allen. But let's get back to that

1702
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 2: Steelers Ravens game. I just I don't know what to

1703
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 2: expect of that because you don't know which version of

1704
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 2: which team you're gonna get.

1705
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, you're like initially, I'm like, okay, Well,

1706
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 5: I assume Baltimore wins that game. Pittsburgh's reeling, Aaron Rodgers

1707
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 5: is calling out receivers and you mentioned Cam Hayward, and

1708
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 5: I just I don't think Pittsburgh's very good and their

1709
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,679
Speaker 5: lone win in their last month was against this Bengals

1710
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 5: team with Joe Blacco and everything that came with that game.

1711
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 5: So yeah, I think I think Baltimore probably wins that game.

1712
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 5: And guess what, that's what the Bengals need, and they

1713
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 5: need that because they need the Steelers to keep losing

1714
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 5: because they don't have the tiebreaker as of today with them.

1715
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:33,560
Speaker 5: And two, you still have a match up with Baltimore.

1716
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,839
Speaker 5: So you got to sweep Baltimore and you didn't sweet Pittsburgh.

1717
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 5: You split with them, And so the Baltimore Ravens are

1718
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 5: the team you need to win. And it's not a

1719
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 5: huge difference in percentages playoff percentages, but it does change

1720
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 5: it by a few percentage points if the Ravens win

1721
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:54,560
Speaker 5: versus the Steelers. So put on your Baltimore purpose.

1722
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 2: All right, let's say that. So since he goes to Buffalo,

1723
01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:00,760
Speaker 2: let's say they win, and we'll say that as you

1724
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 2: pray for that the Ravens beat the Steelers, so that

1725
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 2: a week from now would leave the Ravens at seven

1726
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:09,120
Speaker 2: and six, Pittsburgh at six and seven, the Bengals at

1727
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,720
Speaker 2: five and eight, with the Ravens and Bengals up next.

1728
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,360
Speaker 5: And so that's when it gets really juicy, because you

1729
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 5: could go from right now, the Bengals have roughly a

1730
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 5: six percent chance to make the playoffs. You win this week,

1731
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 5: you get it up to thirteen percent, so it just

1732
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 5: more than doubles. If you win again, then during that

1733
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:34,320
Speaker 5: thirty plus percent range, so it more than doubles. And

1734
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,639
Speaker 5: then some it's like one and a half times your

1735
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 5: chances that they jump even more, and we really start

1736
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:44,320
Speaker 5: to have that conversation of that pat. So these two weeks,

1737
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,719
Speaker 5: these two games, when you look at the Bengals schedule,

1738
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 5: they're obviously the two toughest opponents, and if you can

1739
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 5: get past them, they have the most playoff impact if

1740
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,439
Speaker 5: you're going to need some help along the way. But

1741
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 5: that Steelers schedule's tough. If you look at who the

1742
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 5: Steelers have, the Ravens that they are, they're dealing with

1743
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 5: some quality teams as well. So if you're the Bengals,

1744
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 5: you should feel like, all right, if we handle business

1745
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 5: this week, get it to a must win game against

1746
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,679
Speaker 5: the Baltimore Ravens, a team we beat in their house,

1747
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 5: beat them, then we're really feeling good going into the

1748
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 5: middle part of December and a matchup against Miami.

1749
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, because right, Steelers, Steelers off the Dolphins. After the

1750
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 2: Ravens game, the Lions the Browns and the Steelers again.

1751
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 2: So are the Ravens again, I guess I should say so, yeah,

1752
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 2: they said, and.

1753
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:35,800
Speaker 5: The Lions are going to need that. The Lions need

1754
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 5: to string together some win.

1755
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's really interesting to be this late in

1756
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 2: the season despite what we've been through with the you know,

1757
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow going down at the Bengals. Okay, if it's

1758
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 2: only one win, too, is the other thing people like, Oh,

1759
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:48,639
Speaker 2: they're on a roll right now. Okay, it's one win,

1760
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 2: that's not a trend. And you got to get past

1761
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 2: the Bills at Buffalo at High Mark on on Sunday.

1762
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 2: Never an easy out, and obviously it's one game at

1763
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 2: a time, and that is so cliche. Fortunately the Browns

1764
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 2: are the Browns. But it's the worst division in football

1765
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 2: because you know, you're leading the division with a five

1766
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,879
Speaker 2: hundred record, that it goes to show you the beautiful

1767
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:12,880
Speaker 2: parody of the NFL.

1768
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, it has been. Oh, it's been such a unique year.

1769
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 5: And honestly, when we do this and we play this game,

1770
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 5: I think of a few things one and I treated

1771
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 5: this over the weekend because the Vengals have their flaws.

1772
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 5: They're far from perfect. There's a bunch of areas that

1773
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 5: I get that the people discussed weaknesses from that ownership

1774
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 5: to front office on that right, we could get into

1775
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 5: those and we'd talk about those because of four and eight,

1776
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 5: and it's easy to talk about those things when they lose.

1777
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:50,600
Speaker 5: I will say this that Joe Burrow and this is

1778
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 5: just the reality of it, at least for me. Had

1779
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 5: Joe Burrow stayed healthy, even with their flaws, I think

1780
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:01,880
Speaker 5: he would have mattered in the games. And he does matter,

1781
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:05,479
Speaker 5: just he impacts their mentality, how they carry themselves, their

1782
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 5: confidence as a team outside of just scoring points. And

1783
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 5: that was something the trap I think fans got caught

1784
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,800
Speaker 5: in a few weeks ago was oh, well, Joe Flack

1785
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 5: was putting up points, it's not the offense. Well yeah, sure,

1786
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 5: But Joe Burrow being on the field and being Joe

1787
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 5: Burrow matters. It just does. And so with him back,

1788
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 5: I think they're going to feel like they can get anyone.

1789
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 5: And in a season where I especially with the Rams losing,

1790
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 5: where it doesn't feel like that there's a team that's

1791
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 5: just this unbeatable jugger munt. You you to me, My

1792
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 5: brain turns to I can't believe they believe that Jets game,

1793
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 5: And I can't believe that they didn't put Joe out

1794
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 5: there for the Patriots game, because they could have. You

1795
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 5: know that they would be in a much different spot

1796
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 5: had they won this game or that game, or that's

1797
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 5: gone different and none of those things did. But that's

1798
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 5: where that's where my mind turns for sure.

1799
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I look at the remaining schedules here, right,

1800
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 2: and since he's has an easier path the Bengals to

1801
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 2: after Buffalo, of course it's gonna be a tough game.

1802
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 2: But if thinking when that you got Miami, you got

1803
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, you got the Browns, those all feel like wins.

1804
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 2: The tough part about the Steelers and the Ravens respectively,

1805
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 2: is Baltimore still has the Patriots and Lions and the Steelers. Yeah,

1806
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 2: we've got the Lions in there and the Ravens again,

1807
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 2: so it seems like the path is a lot easier

1808
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:24,719
Speaker 2: for the Bengals after this week.

1809
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's really it is. I view it as the

1810
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 5: two weeks.

1811
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 4: I get it.

1812
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 5: The Ravens are the Ravens right now, and they're six

1813
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 5: and six and it isn't going great. But there is

1814
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 5: a reason. The Bengals were seven point underdogs going into Thanksgiving,

1815
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 5: and this morning, I believe that last time I looked,

1816
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 5: they were six point underdogs against Buffalo. So the next

1817
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 5: two games are going to be tough. I think if

1818
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:53,960
Speaker 5: you can get by those, and we're talking about a

1819
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 5: one in three playoff chance now with three to go,

1820
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 5: and you have the Dolphins, Cardinals, and Browns with two

1821
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 5: of those three at home. Now you're really talking about

1822
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 5: a chance here. Because last year they ran the table,

1823
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 5: but they needed they needed so many things to go

1824
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 5: their way, and it was this team and that team

1825
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 5: and that team, and there was like six different teams

1826
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 5: that needed to lose or do this or that, and

1827
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 5: they got all but one. And this year it's two

1828
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 5: teams and all you need them to do is lose

1829
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:29,400
Speaker 5: a couple of games and you play one of those teams.

1830
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 5: And so it's much more simple from a past standpoint.

1831
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 5: Whether or not it happens is a whole nother discussion,

1832
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 5: but if you went out, you're talking about just a

1833
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 5: couple of football games going your way to get to

1834
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 5: nine mate and win the division.

1835
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,959
Speaker 2: Really need Pittsburgh. I misspoke there, I said lost so Baltimore.

1836
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:46,919
Speaker 2: The two tough games they have left are the Patriots

1837
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 2: and the Packers. I don't see them getting past either

1838
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 2: one of those teams. Pittsburgh has the Lions in Baltimore

1839
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 2: and those those feel like loss. I mean, I don't

1840
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 2: know if you're going to get past the Lions. Although

1841
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,640
Speaker 2: the Lions with the team we saw last year. You

1842
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 2: talk about a change of garden in the in the league,

1843
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:05,679
Speaker 2: right all the teams are the last couple of seasons,

1844
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,920
Speaker 2: the cases, the Bills are on the edge, on the bubble.

1845
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 2: The Lions are are on the bubble as well. Uh,

1846
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,240
Speaker 2: it's it's really changed almost overnight.

1847
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 5: It has. And I I think that those type of

1848
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 5: teams would be able to hit their stride. And I'm

1849
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 5: trying to see, I'm trying to think of a mon

1850
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 5: Rossie Brown just went down. When did the Ravens and

1851
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:37,840
Speaker 5: and Lions play. They play the December. Okay, so there's

1852
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:39,880
Speaker 5: there's some time. Now, there's twenty days for him to

1853
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 5: get help it. I think that's such a huge injury.

1854
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 5: I think Jamiir Gibbs is the best running back in

1855
01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 5: doun rail. He is a buddy of mine. Text me

1856
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:48,600
Speaker 5: like a month ago, like, who would you rather have

1857
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor Jamiir Gibson. I said, the numbers are going

1858
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 5: to say Taylor, but I think Jamiir Gibbs is the best.

1859
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 5: And since then he felt up his end of the bargain.

1860
01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 5: I I love watching him play, but they're tough. They're

1861
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 5: really talking about.

1862
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 2: It in Montgomery too. I mean, good, Look, you know

1863
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,439
Speaker 2: when they're healthy. That is the best one two combination NFL.

1864
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 5: It is. It is when the weather changes, even if

1865
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:14,200
Speaker 5: it's in that dove in Detroit, it just it feels like,

1866
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 5: all right, well, they're built to win those games. They've

1867
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 5: had some key injuries, though there's no doubinitely about some

1868
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 5: key injuries. So we'll see. But that's a tough one.

1869
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 5: Put it like that, I wouldn't be I would be

1870
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:28,600
Speaker 5: bombed if I with the Bengals and I started to

1871
01:35:28,600 --> 01:35:30,920
Speaker 5: deal with the Lions and said you have the Cardinals.

1872
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,480
Speaker 5: I'd much Rayther face the Cardinals.

1873
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 2: All right, they beat Bengals, beat the Bills, and it's

1874
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 2: entirely possible, and some may say likely for sure that

1875
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 2: that happens on Sunday. They got an easy path in

1876
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 2: here provide everything else shakes out with the difficulty of

1877
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 2: the schedule makers have for Baltimore and Pittsburgh, so it

1878
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,280
Speaker 2: is doable. We have a chance. James Rapine over at

1879
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 2: at Bengals Talk dot com and Lockdown Bengals Only Daily

1880
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 2: Bengals podcast with us and I. Thanks again, brother, appreciate it.

1881
01:35:56,720 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 2: We'll talk in about a week.

1882
01:35:59,800 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 5: Wait.

1883
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 2: Thanks love it. Thanks again, man, I appreciate you. We've

1884
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 2: got news on the way with Willie. There's something good.

1885
01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:06,679
Speaker 2: There's some good news coming off the long holiday weekend.

1886
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 2: Right Bengals still in this thing, believe it or not,

1887
01:36:09,080 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 2: a chance to win the North. It's unreal. Seven hundred WWD, Cincinnati,