1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike since he three sixty about Cincinnati 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: from Cincinnati, sponsored in part by Skyline Chili. Stop by 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: Skyline Chili for a three way or cheese cony today. 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Feeling good, It's Skyline time. This is ESPN fifteen thirtie 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Sports Station. 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: Hi, Hello and welcome in to Tony Pikes Sincy three 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: sixty here on ESPN fifteen thirty. My name is Austin Ellmore. 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: I'm not Tony Pike. The big fella is out today. 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: He'll be back tomorrow. Looking forward to a Friday football frenzy, 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 2: one of our final ones of the year as we 11 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: reached the final three weeks of the NFL regular season. 12 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: Bengals are on the road at Miami this weekend. And 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: while there's there's not really a lot to talk about 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: when it comes to the x's and the o's and 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 2: the execution of the game and how you know, game 16 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: plans are formulated and what the strategy might be against 17 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: Quinn and Jalen Wattle and Devin a Chan. I think 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: that's lost on a lot of people now with the 19 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: game not having any playoff ramifications for either side, I 20 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: think both organizations are now into evaluation mode, and I 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: think for the Bengals, it's more about what do we 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: learn about this team that can be applied to the 23 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 2: offseason and applied to future Bengals teams. I think that's 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: what the rest of this season is about. So when 25 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: it comes to what's actually going to happen on the field, 26 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: as long as Joe Burrow doesn't get hurt, as long 27 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: as the Bengals don't get embarrassed, I think that's kind 28 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: of the number one thing that people are looking for. 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 2: I'll be watching on Sunday. I look forward to it. 30 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: We'll talk a lot about what Joe Burrow had to 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: say yesterday, including in this first segment. You'll hear from 32 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 2: the Bengals quarterback. You're gonna hear from him throughout the 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: show because he spoke for twenty minutes yesterday about a 34 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: lot of different stuff. It was the exact opposite think 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: of the press conference that took place a week ago yesterday, 36 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 2: which sent the national media into a frenzy about the 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: future of Joe Burrow. We'll talk about that as well, 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: coming up in football in the Natty, and we'll talk 39 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: about Zach Taylor and rehash what he said yesterday, and 40 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: in particular in exchange that he had yesterday with a 41 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: reporter about his contract. That's all coming up in just 42 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: a minute, but our typical Thursday show, we'll talk to 43 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: John Sheeran from A to Z Sports covering the Cincinnati Bengals. 44 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: Wrote a great piece today that really centers around my 45 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 2: number one topic, which is this offseason. I do think 46 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: the Bengals are closer than we think. I'll explain why 47 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: a little bit later on. We'll get John's perspective at 48 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: one o'clock. We'll have our talkbacks as we normally do 49 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 2: at one twenty. At two o'clock, Keegan Nickoson from Bearcatjournal 50 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 2: dot com will join us. I've got questions about how 51 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 2: we got here with Jisel James and how we got 52 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: here with the bear Cat football program. They've made a 53 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: couple of moves in recent days to try to sustain 54 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: what they have been doing. We'll talk to Keegan about 55 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 2: all of that. We'll do a college basketball whip around. 56 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: Following that, you'll hear from Richard Patino, from Darren Horn, 57 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: from Wes Miller in our number three as well, and 58 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: we'll also talk to Chad Brindle. Chad is in for 59 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: Moegar this afternoon from three to six. Chad will stop 60 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: by four quick hits at the end of the show. 61 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: What happened last night, though, Well, let's start with the 62 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: college hoops. The Bearcats beat Alabama State eighty eight fifty 63 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: one at Fifth Third Arena. Big night from Bob. Bob 64 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: Miller twenty six points on eleven of twelve from the 65 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: field at fourteen rebounds as well. He was spectacular as 66 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: the Bearcats get right against one of the worst defensive 67 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: teams in the country. Bob, as i mentioned, had twenty 68 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: six Gisel James off the bench twenty minutes of action 69 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: had sixteen points for Cincinnati. We'll talk more about Jigsele 70 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: as the show goes along. Xavier got smoked in their 71 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: Big East opener. They were at home at the Centas 72 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: Center against Creighton, and Creighton whooped them ninety eight to 73 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 2: fifty seven. Muskies are now eight and four. They traveled 74 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: to Georgetown on Saturday. 75 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: Again. 76 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 2: You'll hear from Richard Patino later on in the show. 77 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 2: NK you lost as well. In Horizon League play. They 78 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: lost to Oakland eighty two seventy seven. The Norris are 79 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 2: nine and four, but They're one and two to begin 80 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 2: Horizon League play. They host Charleston on Sunday. You'll hear 81 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 2: from Darren Horn later. If you're wondering about Kentucky, they've 82 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 2: got like a whole week off. They beat Indiana over 83 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: the weekend and they don't play again until Saturday against 84 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 2: Saint John's. That is eleven AM coverage beginning right here 85 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: on ESPN fifteen thirty circling back to the Horizon League. 86 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this, but Doug Gottlieb, 87 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: the head coach at Green Bay and also the host 88 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: of the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, he 89 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: announced that he's taken a break from his radio show. 90 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: He's stepping away to put more into being the coach 91 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 2: of the green Bay Phoenix. 92 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: So that's interesting. 93 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 2: Other college sports news, Ohio University fired their head coach 94 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: Brian Smith over quote serious misconduct. To be the second 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 2: year in a row that OU will be looking for 96 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: a new head football coach. Coming up tonight Thursday night football, huge, 97 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: huge game between the Los Angeles Rams and the Seattle Seahawks. 98 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: This game is in Seattle at Lumenfield, home of the 99 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: twelfth Man and both these teams have eleven wins. This 100 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: is basically the NFC West Championship game, and more than likely, 101 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 2: whoever wins it is going to have the number one 102 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 2: seed in the NFC. A couple of big injuries, Seattle 103 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: will be without their starting left tackle and best offensive lineman, 104 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 2: Charles Cross. Meanwhile, the Rams have listed DeVante Adams as 105 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 2: doubtful with that hamstring injury he suffered on Sunday and 106 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: has been dealing with for most of the season. I 107 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 2: believe will be a game time decision, but unlikely that 108 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: he will play tonight. If you're wondering about the gambling 109 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: side of things, well, as of this morning, Seattle favored 110 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: by a point and a half. More on all of 111 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: that a little bit later on. Let's start, though, with 112 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: what happened yesterday and the Zach Taylor press conference and 113 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: the Joe Burrow press conference. Everything this week with the 114 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 2: Bengals had been centered around what's going to happen this offseason, 115 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 2: whether it's Zach Taylor getting fired or Duke Tobin getting 116 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: fired or somebody please got anybody getting fired. That's kind 117 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: of what it felt like Bengals fans wanted out of 118 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: this season. And once we got to this level and 119 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: all the failures that have happened, Okay, who's going to 120 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: pay the price to this? Are any heads going to 121 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: roll because of the failure that has been the twenty 122 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: twenty five season in the answer to that question, basically 123 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: as reported by Paul dayan Or Junior earlier this week, 124 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: is nu And so my question has been, Okay, well, 125 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 2: if they aren't going to fire anyone, what about your 126 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: process is going to change so that you can fix it. 127 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: But there's been something that I don't quite understand that 128 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: happened yesterday and I still don't understand it today. So 129 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: Dayner reports that Zach Taylor had a contract extension given 130 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: to him after the twenty twenty two season. The Bengals 131 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: went to the AFC Championship Game, had a chance to 132 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: win that game and lost, and Zach has given another 133 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: one year extension on his contract. It's not reported at 134 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: the time, it's not announced by the team at the time. 135 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: No one knows that this happens until Paul reports it 136 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, and so I think it's 137 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: strange that it was never reported. If you're the Bengals, 138 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 2: why not when you give your coach a contract extension, 139 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 2: announced that he's gotten a contract extension. Especially at that point, 140 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 2: vibes were at an all time high for this franchise. Yeah, 141 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: they had lost the AFC Championship game, but still they 142 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: had gone to back to back AFC Championship games. The 143 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: new standard had been set. This is our guy, we 144 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: believe in him. We've given him another contract extension. We've 145 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: added a year on. Why you wouldn't explain that or 146 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: announce that. I don't understand, And let's say that you 147 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 2: do it, And everyone's like, hey, we don't want to 148 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: make a big deal of this. I don't want anybody 149 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: to know about this, blah blah blah. Okay, well news 150 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: dump it on a Friday afternoon in January before the 151 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: Super Bowl at five point thirty in the afternoon. Oh yeah, 152 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: by the way, we added a year on to Zach Taylor. Okay, cool. 153 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: Nobody would have said a word about it then. Instead 154 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: it becomes now a talking point because of the failures 155 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: later on. It would have shifted the entire perspective of 156 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: this season for a lot of people. Had we all 157 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: known that Zach had two years left on his deal. Now, 158 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: I don't know that it should. If you're underperforming, you're underperforming. 159 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 2: If you're the reason the team is losing, you're the 160 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: reason the team is losing, and your job should be questioned. 161 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: I don't know that that Zach is the main reason 162 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: for the failures this year, but it is without question 163 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: he's played a role in it. It's harder to justify 164 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: firing a guy with two years left on his deal 165 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: than one. And so because that was not known, it 166 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: shifted and shaped the conversation around Zach Taylor. And so 167 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: you fast forward to this week and you have Paul 168 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: Danner Junior, who is as trusted and like as good 169 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: as it comes when it comes to covering a team. 170 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: This is a dude who knows his stuff. He's been 171 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: doing it for a long time. He's got great relationships 172 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: in the organization. If Paul reports it, it's true. This 173 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: is dude, a dude that is very well respected, reports it. 174 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 2: Why does Zach Taylor act like he doesn't want to 175 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 2: talk about it. What purpose does it serve Zach Taylor 176 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: to not confirm this report? 177 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 3: What purpose does it serve? 178 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 2: How does it help him to say, uh, I don't 179 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: want to talk about that. How does it hurt him 180 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: to say I don't want to talk about that. What 181 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: is the harm in admitting that your contract has an 182 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,599 Speaker 2: expiration date in twenty twenty seven. We're not asking you 183 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: to pontificate about the deal, not asking you to explain 184 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 2: you know how it happened to Bob, but just say, hey, 185 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: when's when's your contract actually up? 186 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 4: Oh? 187 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty seven? Okay? 188 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: Why is that hard for Zach Taylor to admit? I 189 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: struggle to understand the purpose of hiding that, of covering 190 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: that up. In case you missed it yesterday, here was 191 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: the exchange with Zach Taylor and uh I believe it 192 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: was Mike Petralia yesterday during Zach's press conference. 193 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 5: You don't get a chance to talk to ownership or 194 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 5: do we don't get that opportunity. What kind of assurances 195 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 5: have you been given from Hong? We just talk every week. 196 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 5: Every week you've talked about your contractor every week we 197 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 5: talk about everything. When was the last time spoken about 198 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 5: your contract? And sass, that's not really part of our conversation. 199 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 5: It's every week. We're just trying to create together a 200 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 5: great plan to win football games and make sure our 201 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 5: team's ready to go. Make sure I'm ready to go. 202 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 5: So I know that's of curiosity to you guys, but 203 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 5: we're just focused on being the Dolphins. Fair to say 204 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 5: that's reassessed after the season every year you invest them. Yeah, yeah, 205 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 5: we don't. 206 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 4: Get a chance. 207 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 5: Okay, Well I'm sorry, Okay, I'm just being straightforward with that. 208 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 4: We would ask them, Oh, we don't get them, Okay. 209 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: I didn't love that those questions came because Zach denied 210 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: confirming that his contract was up in twenty twenty seven, 211 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: that he had signed that extension following the AFC Championship game, 212 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 2: And that little snippiness, that little arrogance, that little smile 213 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: on the face of Zach Taylor, while Trags is just 214 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: doing his job and asking the right questions and fair 215 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: questions about it and making sure it's known to Zach, 216 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: not that Zach needs to be reminded that, Hey, you're 217 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: the one who has to answer these questions because we 218 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: don't get to talk to anybody else. And I just 219 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: felt like, to me an avoidable thing, just say I 220 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 2: don't want to talk about my contract. I sign an 221 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: extension and after the AFT Championship game it's up in 222 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. But I know that we're focused on 223 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: getting getting ready to beat the Miami Dolphins and turning 224 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: this thing around. 225 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: It could be that simple. 226 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: But yet again there's a complicated inefficiency to the communication 227 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: of this franchise, unnecessary complications to the communication. 228 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: It happens repeatedly. 229 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: Over and over and over and over again, and in 230 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 2: a season that has already been stained by the failures 231 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: on the field and stained by the nonsense of the 232 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: contract situations off of it. Whether it was early in 233 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: the year dragging it out with t and Jamar, or 234 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 2: the Shamar Stewart thing, or the Trey Hendrickson thing, and 235 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 2: now the Zach Taylor thing, there is very little alignment 236 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: on the clear messaging by the organization other than Zach's 237 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: gonna be the guy who stands up there and takes 238 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: all the arrows. And this will be in the news 239 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: cycle for a couple of days and then it'll go 240 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: away and everybody will forget after we play another game. 241 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: I just don't understand why there cannot be more transparency 242 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 2: or understanding of what is or is not the truth 243 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: and what the plan is for Zach Taylor. And I 244 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: don't understand why Zach can't just say yes, this is 245 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: my contract status. It is again at least in my mind, 246 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: and it may not be talked about by anybody in 247 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: that organization. Just another unnecessary conversation, Another unnecessary distraction. 248 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: Here we go again. 249 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: Here's something that doesn't actually pertain to football that's being 250 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: talked about. 251 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: How is that helpful to anybody? 252 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: But based off the way they played on Sunday, maybe 253 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: you don't want to talk about football. I can understand 254 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: that as well. Five one, three, seven, four nine, fifteen 255 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: thirty is the phone number. We'll take some calls later 256 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: this afternoon. If you want to call in be a 257 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: part of the show. You can also tweet at me 258 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: at Audi elmore aut y E L M O r EM. 259 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 2: Coming up next, Football in the NATTI. The Bengals, I 260 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 2: think are at a crossroads this offseason, but they're at 261 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 2: an intersection they've been to before. I'll explain next. ESPN 262 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty, Hey, Alexi. 263 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: Is Football in the NATI, brought to you by Postman 264 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: Law on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the 265 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. 266 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: Football and the NATI here on Tony Pike since e 267 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: three to sixty I'm Austin Ohmore, no Tony Pike today, 268 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: but I've been thinking a lot about the twenty twenty 269 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 2: five Bengals and who they remind me of. They remind 270 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: me of the twenty twenty Bengals. That was a team 271 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: that undoubtedly had some talent. They had some dudes that 272 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: could play. You might remember Gino Adkins was on that team. 273 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 2: What about AJ Green? He was there, Tyler Boyd was 274 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: at the top, maybe the peak of his powers as 275 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: the best slot receiver in the NFL. There were some 276 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: good young defenders, like there was you know, there was 277 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: something on that twenty twenty team, but they won just 278 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: four games. Joe Burrow rookie quarterback that year, coming out 279 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: of COVID, going through the whole nonsense that was that 280 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: at the time. And so it felt like repeatedly over 281 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 2: the course of the twenty twenty season, the Bengals couldn't 282 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: really get out of their own way all right, Like 283 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: they were competitive, but something would go wrong and they 284 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 2: just would snowball and they just weren't that good, and YadA, YadA, YadA. 285 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: It just felt like it was never going their way. 286 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: And I feel like there's a lot of similarities to 287 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty team and this team right now. The 288 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: Bengals are four and ten. The twenty twenty team finished 289 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: four eleven and one, and that season they won two 290 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: of their last three games. They did it without Joe Burrow, 291 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: who you might remember, right before Thanksgiving had his knee 292 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: blown out in Washington, and so two of the final 293 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: three games they win with Ryan Finley at quarterback, the 294 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: Steelers Monday Night game and a game at Houston in 295 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: which the offense was incredibly efficient and T Higgins and 296 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: samaj p Ryd and those guys were sensational. But the 297 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: Bengals weren't that good. They had had a tough season. 298 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 2: Nothing really seemed to go their way. And we often 299 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: look back on that Steelers game in twenty twenty as 300 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: like a turning point, a needle mover, a cornerstone event 301 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 2: in this franchise, as being the moment, like the culture changed. 302 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 2: And while I agree that the wins in two of 303 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 2: those final three games were helpful to the culture in 304 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 2: the locker room, I think the culture was really curated 305 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 2: in the off season following the twenty twenty year, and 306 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 2: I've been digging into that off season and this upcoming 307 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: off season and the similarities between them so going into 308 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one season. So the twenty twenty off 309 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: season into twenty twenty one, the Bengals had about sixty 310 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 2: million dollars in cap space. Right now, they have a 311 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: little more than sixty million dollars in cap space going 312 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 2: into twenty twenty six. And while the wins at the 313 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 2: end of the year helped create the culture, it was 314 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: curated by a free agent class that featured Cheetabaya Woozie, 315 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson, Mike Hilton, Larry Ogan, Jobi Riley Reef, and 316 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:10,719 Speaker 2: Eli Apple. Now you might think of Reef and Apple 317 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: as a couple of guys who didn't do much, but 318 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 2: they did play a role, albeit minor, on a small 319 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 2: on a good team on good teams for two years 320 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: in a row. That is a big, impactful veteran free 321 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: agent class that came in and helped establish the culture. 322 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: You might remember the year before is when they signed 323 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: Von Bell and DJ Reeder. They had invested in the 324 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 2: veteran leadership for a young team, and in twenty twenty 325 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 2: they maximized as much as they could that offseason. Going 326 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,719 Speaker 2: into twenty one, their salary cap. As I said they 327 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: had sixty million dollars to spend, they spent fifty seven million. 328 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: Of The Bengals had three point eight million dollars in 329 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: cap space by the end of twenty twenty one, or 330 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: by the end of that season. They spent all the 331 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 2: way up to the cat for the most part. They 332 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 2: also drafted Jamar Chase, Joseph Osai, and Evan McPherson. Now, 333 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 2: three good draft picks is not ideal, but you'll still 334 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 2: take three good hits in the NFL draft anytime. And 335 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: obviously Jamar Chase, it goes without saying the impact that 336 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: he's had on this franchise. Evan McPherson was a big 337 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: part of that as well. Joseph Osai has been an 338 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 2: impactful role player on this team. I think we're still 339 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: waiting for more from Joseph, but it makes me think 340 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: that offseason the Bengals also extended one of their young 341 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: pass rushers god by the name of Sam Hubbard. Could 342 00:20:55,320 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: Joseph Osai be this year Sam Hubbard? And then in 343 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: training camp they got creative. They traded for a defensive 344 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 2: lineman by the name of bj Hill. So think about 345 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: that one off season. Going into the Super Bowl year 346 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 2: with sixty million dollars in cap space to spend, they 347 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: acquired bj Hill and Larry Ogunjobi and Trey Hendrickson. They 348 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: reworked their entire defensive line. They added two cornerbacks, Mike 349 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: Hilton and Chida Beya Woozier. They got veteran experienced locker 350 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 2: room leaders that they added to a young team that 351 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: needed it. One of the biggest misconceptions about this franchise 352 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: right now is that they don't have money to spend 353 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: because of Burrow, because of Chase, and because of Higgins. 354 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:55,239 Speaker 2: That's not true. They have the money, and they have 355 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: the blueprint. They've done it before. 356 00:21:58,960 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 3: Now. 357 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: Is it realistic to expect that the Bengals hit on 358 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: five or six free agents. 359 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 3: I don't know that it's realistic to feel that way. 360 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: I don't know that it's realistic to expect him to 361 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: hit on all six draft picks. Maybe, like Zach said yesterday, 362 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 2: but to act as if they can't do it because 363 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: of financial constraints is simply wrong. It's not true. And 364 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: as much as we want to dump on Duke Tobin 365 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: and he deserves it, this was his director, his player, 366 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: personnel department that led this to happening, led this charge, 367 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 2: led this free agent push. Now, they weren't perfect in 368 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 2: those years. They missed on Trey Wains, they missed on 369 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: McKenzie Alexander, they missed on free agents. Everybody does. But 370 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 2: to look at this and say, Okay, they know how 371 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 2: to do it, They've done it, we know what it 372 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 2: looks like. And oh, by the way, at any point, 373 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: they can restructure Joe Burrow's contract and they can easily 374 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: create more cap space if they want to cut a 375 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: few guys here, move a few guys there, restructure this that, 376 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. You could be looking at eighty million 377 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: dollars before you know it. That's more than enough in 378 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 2: a salary cap that will almost certainly go up again 379 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: this offseason for the Bengals to get right back. In contention, 380 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow was asked yesterday about why he thinks the 381 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: Bengals are not that far away. Here's the conversation with 382 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:37,719 Speaker 2: the Bengals quarterback on Sunday. 383 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 6: You said not that far when asked how close this 384 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 6: organization was to getting back to. 385 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: Those big stages. Why do you think you guys are. 386 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 7: Not that far. 387 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 6: Well, we have young guys that are getting better. I 388 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 6: think we have really smart coaches. We have a lot 389 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 6: of highly talented people that go out and perform at 390 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 6: a high level on Sundays, weekend and week out. You know, 391 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 6: it's hard for me to it's hard for me to 392 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 6: talk about the totality of the season this year because 393 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 6: I was removed from it for so long, and you know, 394 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 6: I really I haven't had a season. I've played four 395 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 6: games and that's frustrating to me, and kind of it 396 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 6: made me feel like I was on the outside looking 397 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 6: in for a lot of it because that's what happens. 398 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 6: And so I'm just getting my feet wet again with 399 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 6: all this and it feels good. But you know, I 400 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 6: feel confident in the people that we have that we 401 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 6: have here. 402 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 3: There you go. 403 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 2: That's from the quarterback himself, and everybody wants to hyper 404 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 2: analyze everything that he says. And if it's true that 405 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 2: everything he says is measured and there's a purpose behind it, 406 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 2: well then I'm sure he wouldn't just loose lipped say 407 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: we're not that far away. Tony and I debated this 408 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 2: earlier this week. I've been saying it for most of 409 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: the season for all the reasons I just outlined, and 410 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: by looking at the Bengals schedule next year, I really 411 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: don't think that they are that far away. Now, let's 412 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 2: just quickly go through that for a moment. Next year, 413 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: they'll play the third place team in the AFC West, 414 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: which is gonna be the Kansas City Chiefs. The Chiefs 415 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: go into this offseason with Mahomes fresh off of surgery, 416 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 2: probably gonna be without Travis Kelcey, and they're over forty 417 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: million dollars forty million dollars over the cap. That's gonna 418 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: be a different looking Chiefs team than what we've seen 419 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: in the past, but you still expect them with Mahomes 420 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 2: and Reid to be formidable. They're gonna have the Jacksonville 421 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 2: Jaguars at home, obviously a good team, a team that 422 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 2: played them tough, but not a team that keeps you 423 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 2: up at night. The Tennessee Titans will be in Cincinnati 424 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: next year, the New Orleans Saints, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 425 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: and then of course the AFC North. That's a pretty 426 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: favorable home schedule. The Bengals traditionally are pretty good at 427 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: pay Court Stadium under Zach Taylor. Then you look at 428 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 2: their road schedule. They play the AFC East team that 429 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 2: finishes in third place, which will be the Miami Dolphins. Okay, 430 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 2: anything about that team, Scarret probably gonna be with a 431 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 2: new head coach, might be with a new quarterback. 432 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: No Tyreek Hill. More than likely. 433 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: They're also going to play an NFC East team who 434 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: finishes in third place. That's more than likely going to 435 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 2: be the Commanders. That team is gonna be dealing with 436 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: a lot of turnover. They have to go to Houston, 437 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: not gonna be easy. They got to go to Indianapolis, 438 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: probably not gonna be easy. They traveled to Atlanta and 439 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,679 Speaker 2: Carolina and the rest of the AFC North. That is 440 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 2: not a schedule that has you struggling to find wins. 441 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: If you do what you're supposed to do in the 442 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: offseason to supplement your roster and build around your quarterback, 443 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 2: it's not that crazy. I'm not trying to be the 444 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 2: glass half fool guy. I'm not trying to do this 445 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 2: is truly what I feel. If you spend the money 446 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 2: the way you're supposed to, if you're aggressive in hunting 447 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: down the pieces that you need, and if you can 448 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: do anything about your process when it comes to drafting. 449 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 2: That gets you back closer to what you did in 450 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty draft and in the twenty one draft. 451 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: You will be competitive in this conference again next year, 452 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 2: so long as everybody stays healthy, and that's a big 453 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: if across the entire National Football League. But to act 454 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 2: as if the Bengals are so far away, I simply 455 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: don't believe that, and all the other nonsense around this 456 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 2: organization right now, I think is distracting us from the 457 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: fact that, like, oh yeah, they really could be good, 458 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: sooner rather than later. They don't have to strip this 459 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: thing down. We'll talk next segment about this Burrow conversation 460 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 2: and Carson Palmer and Andrew Luck and all this other hogwash. 461 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: It's it's people that aren't really looking at the bones 462 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 2: of the operation here and saying, Okay, how can they 463 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: actually get back to being good? What are the changes 464 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 2: that can be made? That's what I'd like to know. 465 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 2: We'll take a break, we'll come back. This is Tony Pike. 466 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: Since he three to sixty on ESPN. 467 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: Fifteen thirty, you've been listening to Football in the NATTI 468 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty. The official home of the Cincinnati 469 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: Bengalsteen thirty. 470 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 4: Jada Thomas into the left corner for Celestie under the. 471 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: Hoop bounce pass from Zella to Baba Ed Miller dumps 472 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: it and again. 473 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: There Baba Miller out here playing with little bitty boys 474 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 2: out here. 475 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 3: He's just he's like. 476 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: A big breath from the backyard right now. 477 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 3: Just throw it in there as you can't stop. 478 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: Dan Horde Steve Logan on the call last night as 479 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: the Bearcats whoop up on Alabama State at fifth third Arena. 480 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: More on that coming up later on in our number three. 481 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: Baba went cuckoo with twenty six points fourteen boards for 482 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: U se Uh in that game last night. We'll hear 483 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: from Kegan nickoson at two o'clock. He was there covering 484 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: the game and the return of Gisel James. That's coming 485 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 2: up later on in the show. I want to get 486 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 2: to uh, the Joe Burrow conversation and the national media 487 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 2: fanning the flames on such a thing in a moment. 488 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 2: But first let's go to the phones five one, three, seven, four, nine, 489 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Let's go to Fort Thomas and talk to Brian. Brian, 490 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 2: what's up, hi? 491 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 7: Audie. I agree about about them having a chance to 492 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 7: turn it around. NFL is the most competitively, the most 493 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 7: evenly matched in in the United States, so it's not 494 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 7: it's not unheard of to come back and you know, 495 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 7: change things around very quickly. As look at Denver. Denver 496 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 7: was garbage two years ago. Right now they probably one 497 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 7: of the favorite Super Bowl And I think as a fan, 498 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 7: I'm not as freshly about this year. I'm more flusher 499 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 7: about last year. Like last year was just a wasting 500 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 7: opportunity and like Joe got a freak injury this this year, 501 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 7: sure got hurt, team played terrible, whatever, But last year, 502 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 7: like if they would have went on a you know, 503 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 7: a playoff, made the playoffs and won a couple of games, 504 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 7: just wouldn't be as upsetting as a fan. But I 505 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 7: feel like we're just we'll it's just being wasted right now. 506 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point, and that's I think that season. 507 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,719 Speaker 2: I mean, if if we get to this the end 508 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: of this thing and we never see the Bengals get 509 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: back to you know that that level of contending in 510 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: the AFC, We're gonna look back on the twenty four 511 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 2: season and think, golly, what could have been with the 512 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: season like that with Joe and Jamar and they just 513 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 2: didn't do enough to follow it up in the offseason. 514 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's and so it's I think as a fan, 515 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 7: I think we're at least me personally, I'm just I'm 516 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 7: just frustrating. Just I want to have a chance to win. 517 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 7: And in the NFL, if you got a quarterback, which 518 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 7: everybody knows we do, yeah, you can win. You can win. 519 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 4: You can win it all. 520 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 7: And that's you know, we just were dying to win. 521 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 7: We want a parade. That's that's it. This whole city 522 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 7: just wants the parade. 523 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you, Brian. Thank you for 524 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 2: the phone call. And you know, you bring up a 525 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 2: good point. It's actually kind of a good segue. Part 526 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 2: of the reason why things went south between Carson Palmer 527 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 2: and Mike Brown was because Carson did not believe that 528 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 2: Mike was committed to exhausting every avenue to make the 529 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: team better, to turn it into a championship contender. And 530 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 2: I think before we get into this conversation, I would 531 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 2: like to note I am not comparing Carson Palmer to 532 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. Joe is the best quarterback I think that's 533 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: ever played for the Bengals. I think he is the 534 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 2: most talented quarterback that's ever played for the Bengals. And 535 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: I think he has a very different personality than that 536 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 2: of Carson Palmer. I think he's a much better player 537 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 2: than Carson Palmer. And this with Carson all happened fifteen 538 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: years ago. It's a lot different world now than it 539 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: was then. But the fundamental disagreement between Mike Brown and 540 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: Carson Palmer was that they weren't doing enough to compete 541 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: for a Super Bowl and Carson it just didn't sit 542 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: well with Carson. He felt like the Bengals could be 543 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: doing so much more than they've done. The Bengals have 544 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: changed a lot since then, and they have been more aggressive, 545 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: they have spent more money, They have evolved so much 546 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 2: more than I think a lot of people are willing 547 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: to give them credit for. And I don't think that 548 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: the place they're at right now with Joe Burrow is 549 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: even remotely close to where they were at with Carson Palmer. 550 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to compare the two situations. What I'm 551 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 2: trying to explain is this thing with Burrow. To me, 552 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 2: when you go back to his press conference last week, 553 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: to all the conversation this week, all of it. The 554 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 2: flames are being fanned by the national media. They're pouring 555 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: gasoline on the fire. The reason it's happening is because 556 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 2: there's precedent. The precedent has a direct impact on the narrative. 557 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 2: If the Carson Palmer and Mike Brown thing had never happened, 558 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: this wouldn't be a conversation with Joe Burrow wanting to 559 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 2: leave the Bengals when they drafted him in twenty twenty. 560 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 2: There was a narrative out there that Joe wouldn't want 561 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 2: to play for the organization. That wouldn't have happened if 562 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 2: not for the Eli Manning thing that it happened years before. 563 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: Joe keeps getting injured, and then the Andrew Luck thing 564 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 2: gets brought up because we've seen it happen before. Because 565 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: there is precedent with Palmer and Brown, that leads to 566 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 2: people who maybe don't follow this closely, or don't know 567 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 2: Joe that much, or don't know exactly what's going on 568 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 2: within the organization to try to connect the dots and 569 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 2: come up with a hot take to say, Okay, this 570 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,800 Speaker 2: is what's gonna happen again in Cincinnati, because that's the 571 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 2: way the Bengals do business. The Bengals have evolved, maybe 572 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 2: not as much as they should, and Joe is not 573 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 2: there even close to being the same type of person 574 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 2: that Carson Palmer is. But I just want you to 575 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 2: know this conversation is happening because of the precedent that 576 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 2: was set by the actions of Carson Palmer and Mike 577 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: Brown previously. That's why this is happening. And I'm not 578 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 2: dismissing what Joe has said or the wa that he 579 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: said it. Now, I stand by my belief that I 580 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: think last week Joe was having a bad day and 581 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: it came across that way and people ran with it, 582 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 2: and I think that made things worse, and whatever he 583 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 2: was going on in his life, clearly he wasn't all 584 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 2: the way there on Sunday. Had mental mistakes, had protection mistakes, 585 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 2: was not accurate with the football. There's a myriad of 586 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 2: reasons why that could happen. I have enough banked memories 587 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: of Joe Burrow playing over the last six years that 588 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen again. And I don't 589 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 2: think there's a trend that's about to start, but I 590 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 2: do at least know the way he has talked. He's 591 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,280 Speaker 2: unhappy with the way the organization has approached last season 592 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 2: in this season. 593 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 3: And he should be. 594 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 2: Every person in that organization should be unhappy with the 595 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 2: results of last year and with this year. 596 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 3: And I'm sure. 597 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 2: Joe, to an extent, and kind of like you heard 598 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 2: in that clip in the last segment, wonders how much 599 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 2: he can say because of his injuries and feels in 600 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 2: a way like he's on the outside looking in. We'll 601 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: talk more about what Joe said about his opinion being heard, 602 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 2: but here's Joe yesterday talking about his future with the Bengals. 603 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 3: How much do you love? 604 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 6: Like a body ever thought about that, You think about it, 605 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 6: but you think about a lot of different things, and 606 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 6: in your life, just like everybody does. You think about 607 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 6: all different possibilities that could happen. I'm gonna be playing 608 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 6: for a long time. I expect to play for a 609 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 6: long time, and I expect to play well and consistently 610 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 6: great for a long time. 611 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 3: So much speculation is there? 612 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 6: Ever? 613 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 4: Is there any world in your mind where you're not 614 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,439 Speaker 4: the quarterback of the Bengals next year? 615 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 6: I could I couldn't. 616 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 4: I can't see that now. 617 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 2: I didn't you ever both thought about the possibility of 618 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 2: not being the quarterback here. 619 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 3: During your career, or. 620 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 6: You think about a lot of things, and when you. 621 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 2: Look at quarterbacks over the course of their time, great ones, 622 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 2: Haydon Brady, do you kind of have to understand that you. 623 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 3: Never know what this legal bringing. What did you learn 624 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,640 Speaker 3: from watching how their career is on fold of time? 625 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, A lot of crazy things happen every year. Michael 626 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 6: Parsons got traded right before the right before the season. 627 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 6: I think this year that is a something I haven't 628 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 6: seen in a long time in the NFL. So crazy 629 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 6: things can happen. 630 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 2: Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow, He's right, crazy things can happen 631 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 2: in the NFL. But he wants to play for a 632 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 2: long time. He expects to play for a long time 633 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 2: and at a high level for a long time, and 634 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 2: also understands that life in the NFL you never know 635 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 2: what's going to happen, which furthers the point that the 636 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 2: Bengals should be exhausting every avenue to aggressively pursue a championship. 637 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 2: Now again, looking forward at the next couple of years. 638 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 2: The opportunity is right there in front of you. You've 639 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 2: got the money, you've got the cap space, you've got 640 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 2: the quarterback. You don't have any more excuses. Five one, three, seven, 641 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 2: four nine, fifteen thirty. 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Charles, what's on your mind? 657 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:28,919 Speaker 3: Hey? 658 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:29,319 Speaker 4: How are you? 659 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 7: Just? 660 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 4: Quickly you know back on the whole ownership, being a 661 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 4: lifelong Bengal fan here the only team ever liked. I 662 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,719 Speaker 4: know you mentioned earlier about there being president and sort 663 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 4: of anchoring it to the Carson Palmer issue, but it 664 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 4: was actually precedent beyond that. It was he was TJ. 665 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 4: Housman's out obviously, you know him was on an interview 666 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 4: and he said when he first got the Cincinnati speaking 667 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 4: of president, there was no water and gatorade in the 668 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 4: locker room. 669 00:39:58,520 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 670 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 4: I so there's precedence. There's so many things that this 671 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,800 Speaker 4: team had, hopefully inadequate by any stretch of the magic, 672 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 4: by any standard considering themselves to be a professional organization, 673 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,279 Speaker 4: and as such, we continuously come to this point. There 674 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 4: shouldn't even have been a need for Mike Brown to 675 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 4: come out and say we're going to do everything we 676 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 4: can to sign Joe Duh. Like you know, at the time, 677 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 4: they said, why would he need to say these kinds 678 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 4: of things? 679 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 7: Why? 680 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 4: Because the precedent has always been with this organization that 681 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 4: they're awful. 682 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's my point. Now, the good thing is 683 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 2: they've they've changed. They don't do the stuff that they 684 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 2: did twenty years ago. When TJ was here. That's all changed, thankfully, 685 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,320 Speaker 2: But you're right, the precedent has led to the narrative, 686 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 2: and until you do something to change the narrative, that's 687 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 2: what people are going to fall back on, and that's 688 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 2: their fault. 689 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 4: Yes, thank you, thank you for your time. Love the show, 690 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 4: trust in the show, thank you man, appreciate it, Thanks 691 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 4: for the call. Yeah, I mean, without a doubt, until 692 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 4: you do something to change the narrative, the narrative is 693 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 4: going to exist. It is the unfortunate reality. And the 694 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 4: Bengals are often a day late and a dollar short 695 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 4: when it comes to doing that. They've made strides, but 696 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 4: they're often too late. They were too late and signing 697 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 4: Jamar Chase they cost themselves a lot more money. They 698 00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 4: were too late in signing T. Higgins, they cost themselves 699 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 4: a lot more money. They often create bigger headaches for 700 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:39,879 Speaker 4: themselves because they're reactive instead of proactive. That's something they 701 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 4: need to improve on. This is an off season where 702 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 4: you have a chance to do that. 703 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 2: You have a chance to say we're going to be 704 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 2: proactive in our our pursuit of better defensive players, of 705 00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 2: changing our draft strategy, of whatever it might be. When 706 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 2: we come back, we'll talk to John Scheran covering the 707 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 2: Bengals eight to Z Sports. This is Tony Pike's since 708 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 2: he three p. Sixty on the home of the Bengals, Cincinnati, 709 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. 710 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 3: Having insurance isn't the same as having state farm