Speaker 1: Do you want to be in a Manican.
Speaker 2: Here we go on this Monday morning, Scott Slow seven
Speaker 2: hundred WLW in that Sunday was felt like work watching
Speaker 2: the Bengals yesterday. Didn't like I worked maybe six seven
Speaker 2: days this week. Uh, we'll get in that a little
Speaker 2: bit of course, James or James rappeen. It will be
Speaker 2: here to recap that a little bit later on in
Speaker 2: the show. Lots going on, including this. We're blowing up
Speaker 2: suspected drug boats off foreign countries, off the coast of
Speaker 2: foreign countries. And we have yet another piece plan in
Speaker 2: the Middle East, and this one seems like to be
Speaker 2: the one. This is the one that who knows could
Speaker 2: get Trump the Nobel Prize? Is this the deal that
Speaker 2: finally stops the carnage in Palestine and Israel?
Speaker 3: On?
Speaker 2: That is a Captain Ed Glryan. He is a US
Speaker 2: Navy Seal team seven times over, team leader, decorated Special
Speaker 2: Ops Task Force commander, US Army Ranger, long decorated career,
Speaker 2: serving this nation in a very rare seal And are
Speaker 2: you a US Army Ranger marriage which often doesn't happen?
Speaker 2: Captain Ed, good morning, how are you sir?
Speaker 4: Good morning? Scott, Good morning the listeners. Well, we'll be
Speaker 4: a lot better if we get this rain that's coming through.
Speaker 4: We need a drink down here on the farm.
Speaker 2: I believe that, no doubt about it. Let me outline
Speaker 2: what happened over the weekend here if you're just plugging
Speaker 2: back in this morning. So this happened late in the
Speaker 2: week with President Trump announcing a peace plan in the
Speaker 2: Middle East. So as of Saturday, the Israeli military has
Speaker 2: shifted to defensive operations in Gaza, stop their airstrikes beyond
Speaker 2: what those are needed for force protection, I guess. According
Speaker 2: to the IDF, the Israeli Prime Minister net Yahou confirmed
Speaker 2: he halted the offensive. Said, Okay, we're gonna engage in
Speaker 2: the Trump plan here and engage in indirect negotiations between Israel.
Speaker 2: They're going to sit down I guess Israel Hamas and
Speaker 2: start talking today in Egypt, and the peace plan would
Speaker 2: be enacted once all forty eight hostages are returned to
Speaker 2: Israeli territory and if they're not released by the deadline,
Speaker 2: then they'll zoom fighting again. So it's still relative tentative,
Speaker 2: and we've heard this before. We're so close to peace
Speaker 2: we've got peace, and then peace erodes rather abruptly. What
Speaker 2: should we expect from what's happening right now?
Speaker 4: Ed? Well, a good wrap upon that. Ever elusive is
Speaker 4: the piece with them off. But something we have to
Speaker 4: remember as we watched this from the distance is they
Speaker 4: are not a nation state. They're a terrorist group with
Speaker 4: an armed faction. So they have a political element that's
Speaker 4: doing the discussions, which is not always in alignment with
Speaker 4: the fighters that are on the ground and Gaza accordingly,
Speaker 4: that could be the long pole in the tent. But
Speaker 4: regardless of that, great credit has got to be given
Speaker 4: to the administration because this is like a mensa game
Speaker 4: underwater at night. It is difficult to get all this
Speaker 4: lined up. Could I talk about sort of where we're at? Yeah,
Speaker 4: the final piece is these final few hostages. Now, remember
Speaker 4: there was what back in February, three hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: nine or so Palestinian prisoners were released just for three
Speaker 4: Israeli hostages. Earlier in the SEASCAR. In January of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five, Israel had already released over one thousand Palestinians
Speaker 4: for thirty three Israeli hostages. Some were deceased and some
Speaker 4: were alive. There had been some other one offse that
Speaker 4: occurred in there, but now the totals well over one
Speaker 4: thousand Palestinian prisoners have been released. Remember they were captured
Speaker 4: and many of them had life sentences for very serious
Speaker 4: crimes and such in Israel. And as part of the
Speaker 4: President's twenty point Godza peace proposal, there is the final
Speaker 4: exchange of about a forty eight prisoners many deceased, for
Speaker 4: about nearly two thousand Palestinian prisoners. This is going to
Speaker 4: be a very difficult, hard move by the final armed
Speaker 4: elements of Hamas because that's their last bargaining chip. And
Speaker 4: I want to add this. Remember one of the key
Speaker 4: elements is they have to agree to verifying disarmorment. They
Speaker 4: have to disarm ergo I would say, oh, there's one
Speaker 4: other piece we have to remember here, Scott. Our adversaries
Speaker 4: watched the calendar. You know what tomorrow is. It's the
Speaker 4: second anniversary of the Hamas attacks. Basically a slaughter. Over
Speaker 4: twelve hundred folks died there during that attack, a brutal slaughter,
Speaker 4: and they love to celebrate those dates. I know to
Speaker 4: the US listening audience, it doesn't always make sense for
Speaker 4: to them it's a strategic victory. They use it for
Speaker 4: recruiting and for fundraising. So we are in the shadow
Speaker 4: of the eve of the second anniversary. So it is
Speaker 4: going to be interesting how things develop in the next
Speaker 4: twenty four to forty eight hours in that setting, scot.
Speaker 2: And how does how do you disarm Hamas? How do
Speaker 2: you trust them? How do you demobilize them? It's a
Speaker 2: terrorist organization. It's not like it's you know, somebody's going
Speaker 2: to lay their sword down at the feet and they're
Speaker 2: going to sign the agreement on a deck of a
Speaker 2: US battleship in the middle of the Pacific, like the
Speaker 2: end of World War Two.
Speaker 1: That's not happening here. How do you determine that?
Speaker 4: Well, you hit the nail on the head. And that's
Speaker 4: why I started out. They're not a nation state, and
Speaker 4: they're very factioned, so to speak. You're going to have
Speaker 4: hard l elements, even within the hard elements, so it
Speaker 4: is going to be more than difficult. And then it
Speaker 4: is going to require constant oversight and the systems, processes
Speaker 4: and such in place to allow that monitoring. Accordingly, what
Speaker 4: that would imply is there's gonna have to be a
Speaker 4: sweep through Gaza to what we call cordon and clear,
Speaker 4: completely cleared out, not unlike urban operations on the same
Speaker 4: kind of you know, metropolitan city terrain, urban terrain during
Speaker 4: World War two. You're gonna have to go through and
Speaker 4: do a complete search. They're gonna have to agree to
Speaker 4: that in some terms and some methods, but that is
Speaker 4: very difficult because it pass this prologue. They have never
Speaker 4: put those arms down. And when you add the fact
Speaker 4: that these the prisoners that have been released, many of
Speaker 4: them have gone back to fighting.
Speaker 2: And this is all predicated on new leadership. This technocratic
Speaker 2: group that's not autocratic, but technocratic group that's going to
Speaker 2: come in. It's gonna take a while to establish a government.
Speaker 2: Always does. And even when there's peace, aren't we going
Speaker 2: to have just splinters and factions of a moss that
Speaker 2: are not happy that they laid their arms down and
Speaker 2: just start over and form an as a as a
Speaker 2: splinter group and gross strength through power if they don't
Speaker 2: see things moving as quickly as human nature.
Speaker 4: Dictates, very likely, Scott, You're you're exactly right, they will
Speaker 4: just nearly morph into the next chapter because they've been
Speaker 4: raising by brainwashing. You know, basically that next generation. I
Speaker 4: want to add something as well here. The move by
Speaker 4: a number of nations to recognize in the Palestinian state
Speaker 4: without having conditions set where you're going to have to
Speaker 4: do this was probably ill advised. I'm no politician, I'm
Speaker 4: a fifth generation farmer, career, military officer, combat arms For
Speaker 4: the record, however, as a strategician, I would have advised
Speaker 4: those leaders do not recognize them without conditions. We gave
Speaker 4: it away. To your point, that was a leverage point.
Speaker 4: We gave away scotten out the West, not the US.
Speaker 4: We were against the Trump administration said bad idea, and
Speaker 4: they were right on. Other nations gave that key bargain
Speaker 4: and chip away where that would have given us the
Speaker 4: leverage Scott to your point that they'll just go to
Speaker 4: another chapter.
Speaker 1: In this yeah, you would think that's the case. Now.
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting too that a number of Middle
Speaker 2: Eastern countries, significant countries have gotten together to support this
Speaker 2: peace plan. Where's Iran on this, because they're the primary
Speaker 2: sponsor of the terror we're talking about, or.
Speaker 4: You better believe behind the scenes, they're going to do
Speaker 4: everything may can to your point, to continue to arm Hamas,
Speaker 4: to continue to support hamas to condition, to disrupt and destabilize,
Speaker 4: because remember the long term play on this, Scott is,
Speaker 4: this is like a tet offensive strategy. It was never
Speaker 4: to defeat Israel or the US or the West. It
Speaker 4: was to undermine our legitimacy in the world of publican opinion.
Speaker 4: And they're popping the champagne bottles when some of those
Speaker 4: countries recognize the Palestinian state. That was wholly ill advised
Speaker 4: strategically speaking, to give that away. So so Iran is
Speaker 4: definitely behind the scenes, you know, being the puppet map.
Speaker 2: But then we just you mentioned the two state solution,
Speaker 2: which has been evasive for longer than we've both been alive,
Speaker 2: probably combined. Right, is it okay, we've got to recognize
Speaker 2: Palestinian statehood. There's a lot of backlash to that. But
Speaker 2: doesn't Trump's deal establish Palestinian statehood?
Speaker 1: Does some agree?
Speaker 4: Well, that remains to be seen. I mean, it's very
Speaker 4: clever the way they'd line that up with the conditions
Speaker 4: and twenty points.
Speaker 1: Sounds like it's going to be a Palestinian country. So
Speaker 1: it sounds like well, and.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you this, and this is just strategic genius
Speaker 4: of his approach. To rebuild goth in the same way
Speaker 4: that that's how we really won World War two. That's
Speaker 4: how we lost World War One. We did not rebuild Germany, right,
Speaker 4: we did not rebuild it and you know, get rid
Speaker 4: of that sentiment of resentment. But we did after World
Speaker 4: War II with a Marshall Plan in Europe, and then
Speaker 4: of course we did something similar out in Japan. So
Speaker 4: it's just strategic genius. So certainly the administration has that
Speaker 4: in the back of the map to bring the Arabs
Speaker 4: in and help rebuild it. Because you might notice there's
Speaker 4: there doesn't seem to be a lot of support for
Speaker 4: the Palestinians from the Arab nations writ large. Sometimes there's silence.
Speaker 4: Is deafening, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's no question about it. There's no question.
Speaker 2: And I think that you know, there's okay, tremendous pressure
Speaker 2: from outside of Iran Middle Eastern countries.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get this thing done.
Speaker 2: At the same time, I just saw this poll over
Speaker 2: the weekend that six out of ten US Jews disapprove
Speaker 2: of Israel's handling the situation in Gaza, something like four
Speaker 2: and ten call it outright genocide. And I think that's
Speaker 2: maybe behind the scenes, maybe pushing Israel's hands somewhat. You know,
Speaker 2: that's you know, we look at polling numbers and voter
Speaker 2: support and things like that. And when a majority of
Speaker 2: US Jews are saying, hey, you know it Israel's too
Speaker 2: heavy handed with Gaza, I think that does get innat
Speaker 2: Yan who's attention to some degree?
Speaker 1: Or am I wrong?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 4: No, you're exactly right, and that they and again that
Speaker 4: plays right into what I call the ted offensive strategy
Speaker 4: was an evertent eat them tactically or operational is with
Speaker 4: you is exactly what you just articulated to win win
Speaker 4: the fight of public opinion, to include with not misinformation disinformation.
Speaker 4: So with respect to that, you know, things are not
Speaker 4: always what they seem, and what seems to be underreported
Speaker 4: is just the brutality of the entire matter, you know,
Speaker 4: to start with the slaughter, you know, and now two
Speaker 4: years ago, no.
Speaker 2: Question, he is retired US Navy Seal Captain ed galleryan
Speaker 2: of course, fifth generation farmer in Kentucky. He was a
Speaker 2: US Navy Seal team with them seven different teams for
Speaker 2: that matter, Decorated Special Ops Task Force Commander, US Army
Speaker 2: Ranger War college, and we're talking about what's going on
Speaker 2: in the thele least right now and how close we
Speaker 2: are to peace. What's your gut say about? This is
Speaker 2: just another, just another than the ever evolving ed situations
Speaker 2: there between. We we think we have peace this time,
Speaker 2: and then at last, what like forty minutes and we
Speaker 2: do this all over again, wash with How much more
Speaker 2: confident are you in this approach than you were in
Speaker 2: previous ones or.
Speaker 1: Is it all the same.
Speaker 4: No, I'm much more confident this time. However, Comma, I
Speaker 4: do anticipate and I'm certain the administration has built this in.
Speaker 4: There's going to be some disruptors. I refer to to
Speaker 4: the You know, there's factions within the factions. There's going
Speaker 4: to be some hard elements there called true believers. They're
Speaker 4: not going to put their weapons down. You got to
Speaker 4: factor that in. So it's very likely. And again it's
Speaker 4: not a nation state. They do not have, you know,
Speaker 4: your your typical vertical chain of command. You know II, sir,
Speaker 4: we're going to do this and so forth and so on.
Speaker 4: So because of those fractures, you can anticipate there's going
Speaker 4: to be some especially with Iran behind the scenes, to
Speaker 4: try to disrupt this because Iran does not want this
Speaker 4: to happen. They do not want Pete.
Speaker 2: Let me pivot to something else. And by the way,
Speaker 2: I really believe that this can take hold. I don't
Speaker 2: know how Trump doesn't win a Nobel Bright for this,
Speaker 2: because that is something that previous presidents and the list
Speaker 2: is too long to name, have tried to deal with
Speaker 2: to the utmost failure. But something else that's going on
Speaker 2: is the president has a policy of executing suspected drug
Speaker 2: smugglers by declaring his targets are unlawful combatants are in
Speaker 2: their I'm conflict of the United States.
Speaker 1: Which is interesting.
Speaker 2: He's ordered three attacks on speedboats in the Caribbean and
Speaker 2: said they're carrying the legal drugs. I think seventeen total
Speaker 2: people on those three craft were struck. What's the significance
Speaker 2: of that of his order to strike drug boats including
Speaker 2: a fourth in the past I believe a fourth in
Speaker 2: the past few days for that matter, I said three,
Speaker 2: but it's more up to four now from a military
Speaker 2: analysts perspective.
Speaker 1: What do you make of this?
Speaker 4: Well, remember this I want for the listeners here. My
Speaker 4: interest is usually safely in your beds and night. US
Speaker 4: national security. So when I put on my US national
Speaker 4: security glasses and the lens of it, these operations are
Speaker 4: clearly intended as what's called as strategic disruption and destabilization
Speaker 4: operation against US. They are gray zone warfare operations to
Speaker 4: weaponize the drug trade by our major at a series
Speaker 4: primarily China could unpocket strategics, yeah please right. So in February,
Speaker 4: the Trump administration designated eight criminal organizations as Gordon Terrorist
Speaker 4: Organizations uh AND terrorists, And of the eight, Tunde Aragua
Speaker 4: operates primarily out of Venezuela with the support of a
Speaker 4: Duro government that gives them sanctuary and stays there and
Speaker 4: benefits financially. Reports. Our six other operate out of Mexico
Speaker 4: were don't forget. They control reportedly over forty percent of Mexico.
Speaker 4: And then there's another that operates throughout Central and South America,
Speaker 4: all with the focus of flowing drugs into the United States.
Speaker 4: It's what we would call in the War College a
Speaker 4: sun Sooo strategy, the indirect approach to conduct brisk rop
Speaker 4: disruption operations. So nobody speaking Chinese shows up, you know,
Speaker 4: with the bag of drug or suitcase of money. These
Speaker 4: people for all intents and purposes, their proxies and their
Speaker 4: surrogates in the same way the Hussies Hamas and his
Speaker 4: Balla do the same for our Just to remember, at
Speaker 4: a strategic level, all over one in eight arrest in
Speaker 4: the US is for a drug offense. And gracious that
Speaker 4: you know, nearly half the violent crime is somehow connected,
Speaker 4: you know, to the whole caval of drugs related gang warfare,
Speaker 4: humans trafficking, and weapons trafficing, gun trafficking. So it's to
Speaker 4: have a huge impact on us. Now, can I talk
Speaker 4: about the military employment of the capabilities down there so
Speaker 4: the listeners understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before you do that, though, because I think there
Speaker 2: are people going, Okay, well, I get the military angle
Speaker 2: this thing. The military gets sent and you do the job.
Speaker 2: You've laid out a great case at gel Ryan is
Speaker 2: to the wise from you know, the Chinese involvement in
Speaker 2: the drug trafficking here in the United States, and of
Speaker 2: course the Mexican cartels and everything else and supplies are
Speaker 2: coming in from Venezuela, but I think they're pi and
Speaker 2: there'll be a constitutional debate about this was just outside
Speaker 2: your scope and what federal law dictates and how this
Speaker 2: is possible in using the military in this role, but
Speaker 2: I think they have maybe the average person listening go, well,
Speaker 2: how do we know from a military standpoint where these
Speaker 2: boats are headed to because they're fishing vessels, and how
Speaker 2: do we know they're actually carrying drugs? I mean, that's
Speaker 2: what the government's saying. But the government, whether it's Democrats
Speaker 2: or Republicans, we've been told something and lied to before.
Speaker 2: So how can American sleepwall night going Okay, are these
Speaker 2: really drug or is this about regime change in Venezuela?
Speaker 4: A great question, and let me segue right into that.
Speaker 4: Well you might remember you also sent me to the
Speaker 4: Naval fust Graduate School to get any master's degree in
Speaker 4: operational intelligence. Right, here's what you can count on, and
Speaker 4: I'm glad you asked that question for the listeners. The
Speaker 4: US is certainly employing a broad range of intelligence capabilities
Speaker 4: from space to undersea to detect and track this drug
Speaker 4: transportation network. And we're talking satellites, aircraft, ships, submarines and
Speaker 4: other special capabilities that far exceed the classification of this
Speaker 4: conversation to identify literally where the drugs are originating from
Speaker 4: and where they're going to. And so rest assured there's
Speaker 4: not some sailor out there saying, oh, there's a fast boat,
Speaker 4: let's hit at oh no serybod. They've been tracking that
Speaker 4: target from its origin with those those base of the
Speaker 4: contraband and it's a very deliberate and technical operation by
Speaker 4: military professionals and now just an open source and that's
Speaker 4: all we're going to talk about here today because I
Speaker 4: violate my security parance. We've got multiple Navy warships with
Speaker 4: advanced capabilities to collect. We've got the Paight aircraft down
Speaker 4: there that collect both on surface and undersea activities, their
Speaker 4: advanced reconnaissance aircraft. We've got other rotary wing assets down there.
Speaker 4: We've got federal capabilities. We have a fast attack submarine.
Speaker 4: Why they have very special collection capabilities that are advanced
Speaker 4: in their technical ability to track precisely the movement of
Speaker 4: surface craft. So we have a whole group of things
Speaker 4: brought together and you can guarantee guaranteed the technical aspects
Speaker 4: of that are being applied for the targeteers. Then it
Speaker 4: goes to the leadership to determine if it's met that
Speaker 4: threshold that we have confirmed there we are in fact
Speaker 4: running drugs. And I could also have to add this.
Speaker 4: I was the last commanding officer of the Overseas Navy
Speaker 4: Seal Team operating out of the Panama Canal Zone. I
Speaker 4: was responsible for all such operations for seals and naval
Speaker 4: special warfare in Central and South America until the time
Speaker 4: that we gave the canal back in nineteen ninety. As such,
Speaker 4: I supported federal agencies, Coast Guard, DEA, others in counter
Speaker 4: drug operations. We were doing this decades ago. The difference
Speaker 4: was we did not have the freedom of action to
Speaker 4: use all the national capabilities to identify and track. And
Speaker 4: then the key part was when it came time to season,
Speaker 4: we basically had two hands tied behind our back because
Speaker 4: a policy, well, the policies changed. Now the administration has
Speaker 4: recognized the clear and present danger to our national security
Speaker 4: that they pose to us, and that they're released there
Speaker 4: gets in proxies of our adversaries. Folks were at the
Speaker 4: most dangerous point in our history. And i'd offer since
Speaker 4: pre World War Two, when you lay down the broad
Speaker 4: conters and these drugs are being used by one of
Speaker 4: the fourforcement of the apocalypse in this case China, right
Speaker 4: to destabilize us. I mean and remember just one other thing,
Speaker 4: if I could, Scott, when we hit that third boat,
Speaker 4: what also occurred in the same timeframe, two Chinese ships
Speaker 4: were intercepted with major loads or precursors coming to the
Speaker 4: drug cartels.
Speaker 2: That's what and that's what needs to be highlighted on
Speaker 2: this too. And this is the concert.
Speaker 1: John. I get the end.
Speaker 2: I respect the constitutional argument for it, but what's the
Speaker 2: bigger play? And that's the message that we need to articulate.
Speaker 2: He's Captain Ed Golran, US Navy Seals and Army ranger
Speaker 2: and farmer in Kentucky, fifth generation farmer. So I know
Speaker 2: you got work to do on the farm and we'll
Speaker 2: get a time out of I always appreciate the insights, sir, God.
Speaker 4: Blessed, Thank you, thank you, Yes, sir, good day.
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Speaker 1: I'm with you, man, I'm with you.
Speaker 2: Just had Captain Ed gallryin on add the former US
Speaker 2: Navy seal Army Ranger team leader. And I think this
Speaker 2: guy he is a an American badass, no doubt about it,
Speaker 2: with some unique insight, and still he still has access
Speaker 2: to the things that most of us don't have access to. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know in recap here with the conversation, I missed it.
Speaker 2: You can catch that in the podcast. On the podcast,
Speaker 2: I should say, right after the show be the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: And you know, I get the debate. As a libertarian,
Speaker 2: I get it. I get the constitutional debate on why
Speaker 2: we're blowing up and if we should be blowing up ships.
Speaker 2: We're not engaged in an act of war technically with
Speaker 2: these nations and so of Venezuela and shipping vessels that
Speaker 2: are just off the coast that were blowing up. I
Speaker 2: see the constitutional argument there, and this is something that's
Speaker 2: going to be debated for some time, there's no question
Speaker 2: about it. But I also get the clear and present danger.
Speaker 2: Look relative to China, who's driving this whole thing. We
Speaker 2: are already seen with well TikTok for example, and other
Speaker 2: platforms like that. How do they use our free nature,
Speaker 2: our First Amendment, and our liberties, our constitutional liberties are
Speaker 2: God granted liberties. Against us. They figured out the formula
Speaker 2: secret sauce to defeat. It is not you know, they're
Speaker 2: not gonna be launching missiles and invading us with foreign
Speaker 2: armies as generation's past fear and the Cold War. Rather,
Speaker 2: they're going to do it by using us against each other,
Speaker 2: dividing us. And we seem pretty divided right now. Right,
Speaker 2: How is that any different that we're talking about with
Speaker 2: this war on drugs? And it's not the drugs as much,
Speaker 2: because let's face it, you know, we have a really
Speaker 2: good appetitis Americans, some of us more than others for drugs.
Speaker 2: Those of us who look down the nose that the
Speaker 2: recreational drug user have no problem having on know, three
Speaker 2: or four martinis or cocktails on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
Speaker 2: Sunday night got the drug, and so all of us
Speaker 2: have something. And you know, let's face it, we enjoy beer,
Speaker 2: we enjoy in Bourbon country, we enjoy bourbon. How much
Speaker 2: different is that then? I don't know, marijuana and marijuanas
Speaker 2: mayde well, how much different is that than someone who
Speaker 2: uses heroin or cocaine?
Speaker 1: And you know, again that line moves.
Speaker 2: We have a pretty good appetite, we establish a good
Speaker 2: baseline for recreational drugs in America, we're the ones that
Speaker 2: are demanding those drugs come across our shores. Are they
Speaker 2: polluting us and destroying us? Absolutely destroying our communities. We
Speaker 2: saw with what happened with the opiate crisis that was
Speaker 2: manufactured by wild government policies and the government themselves, and
Speaker 2: then they cut the spickt off and now these people
Speaker 2: are dependent on opiate's had to turn the street drugs.
Speaker 2: And that's something that's created by even our own system
Speaker 2: of government here and the way we do things in America,
Speaker 2: right or wrong, that's how things are. And the Chinese
Speaker 2: seek to say, hey, you know what, Americans like you know,
Speaker 2: get caught with some of the drugs we're talking about
Speaker 2: in China. See how that works out for you. It
Speaker 2: won't here in America. We tolerate it as they free
Speaker 2: and open society. They use it against This, to me
Speaker 2: is another nuance in that in that war, in that
Speaker 2: war of mind and ideology, and I think Ed brought
Speaker 2: some really good points up with that. As far as
Speaker 2: you're going, well, why are we blowing up these shipping vessels?
Speaker 2: How do we know that they're actually drug We got
Speaker 2: to take the government's word. Well, at some point you
Speaker 2: have to take the government sword for it. We've been
Speaker 2: lied to in the past, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean that there's not intent there to
Speaker 2: try and change this dynamic. It's really made an interesting
Speaker 2: constitutional debate, that's for sure. I don't know why I
Speaker 2: watched the Bengals games. I don't know, because you kind
Speaker 2: of know what's going to happen. Is it like a
Speaker 2: car wreck at this point? Do you hope against all
Speaker 2: hope things are going to be different? It wasn't I know,
Speaker 2: the score. It's one of those games in the classic
Speaker 2: goes well, the score wasn't as close. It was real
Speaker 2: law as that's so true in this game. What thirty
Speaker 2: seven to twenty four? The Bendo's lost three straight now
Speaker 2: at the hand of Jake Browning and not really how
Speaker 2: much of this is Jake brown and the quarterback And
Speaker 2: let's they said three touchdowns three interceptions in the street.
Speaker 2: Touchdowns didn't come until the fourth quarter when it was over. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think anyone outside of maybe that
Speaker 2: locker room, and I'm gonna guess that if you were
Speaker 2: to survey the conscience of your typical Bengals player that
Speaker 2: they don't have any confidence in Jake Browning either. I
Speaker 2: don't know how much Jake Browning hits confidence in Jake
Speaker 2: Browning at this point, and he's saying that he just
Speaker 2: needs to play better. Well, you know, I would. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of things I'd like to be. I just
Speaker 2: don't wake up when they go, Okay, I I am,
Speaker 2: I'm taller, I'm better looking. I weigh you know, fifteen
Speaker 2: pounds less. I can you go on and on?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: All of us do that? You know, wishing and wanting
Speaker 2: isn't reality. I think this is the best you're going
Speaker 2: to get out of Jake Browning. And I wonder how
Speaker 2: many Bengals fans after this loss. I've completely written the scene.
Speaker 2: I would suggest many, simply because yesterday was supposed to
Speaker 2: be a stripe the Jungle game at pay Corps, which
Speaker 2: basically means, and it's kind of cool concetantly see in
Speaker 2: the past where you know, one section is orange, the
Speaker 2: next section is black, the section's orange, the section is black,
Speaker 2: and it looks like you know, the pay course game
Speaker 2: and stripe, provided you do a couple of things. One
Speaker 2: of them is fill the stadium. The other two is
Speaker 2: win games so that you can guarantee that that is
Speaker 2: a home crowd.
Speaker 7: There.
Speaker 2: The problem was, and a lot of those tickets were
Speaker 2: sold ahead of time. A lot of those people sold
Speaker 2: those tickets on the secondary market to Lions fans. So
Speaker 2: it was kind of a weird sea of black and orange,
Speaker 2: but a hell of a lot of Hawaiian blue and white. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it didn't. It would look more like a spotted jungle Martin.
Speaker 2: Looked like an FC game with the orange, the orange
Speaker 2: and blue.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 1: And that was a mess yesterday.
Speaker 2: And uh, I know that the coach Taylor and company
Speaker 2: is gonna tell you, well, you know, we're gonna work
Speaker 2: on some stuff. We gotta tune some stuff up, we
Speaker 2: gotta get some stuff done. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: going to go to Green Bay and roll a Green
Speaker 2: Bay Packer team with what they have up there at
Speaker 2: lambeau Field. I don't see that. I think I gotta
Speaker 2: have four straight losses. But that's why they played the
Speaker 2: game yesterday. Was upset Sunday in the NFL. So all right,
Speaker 2: we invested enough time in the Bengals. Later on the show,
Speaker 2: James or peenill be here to chop that up as
Speaker 2: heading the lunch hour final developments or injuries and stuff
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'll tell you had a good weekend.
Speaker 2: You may go, wow, we got all this bad news, Sloani,
Speaker 2: the Bengals are terrible, the Reds are out of it.
Speaker 1: Is there any good news? I'll tell you had a
Speaker 1: great weekend.
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift The Life of a Showgirl two point seven
Speaker 2: million copies on opening day.
Speaker 1: One point.
Speaker 2: How about this one, if you're old, one point two
Speaker 2: million vinyl albums in the first week. She did over
Speaker 2: a million vinyl albums, which you look at that is
Speaker 2: a it's a it's a it's a modern record. You know,
Speaker 2: vinyl hasn't been relevant. And since vinyl was vinyl, what
Speaker 2: back before compact this came along and now everything's digital
Speaker 2: and digital downloads of course. So yeah, forty and by
Speaker 2: the way, the album launch release, the film of the
Speaker 2: album launch release forty six million at the box office.
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift had an incredibly good weekend. Good for Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: I know people were up at eleven fifty nine fifty
Speaker 2: nine to get on and download the copy of her
Speaker 2: of Life of a showgirl. I think it's what like
Speaker 2: forty two minutes. At some point I'll hear some of
Speaker 2: the songs. I don't think I'm glad I appreciate her music.
Speaker 2: I appreciate she does, and it's one of those dealser.
Speaker 2: I don't know the albums and I don't know the
Speaker 2: song names, but I know a few of the songs.
Speaker 1: And go, yeah, it's good product.
Speaker 2: She definitely she hits a niche in the show, as
Speaker 2: we saw when she came to Cincinnati, even if you're
Speaker 2: not a swifty, I don't think you have to be
Speaker 2: a swifty to appreciate her music and what she does.
Speaker 2: Even though you know, we kind of get tired of
Speaker 2: seeing her every time at Kansas City Chiefs game is on,
Speaker 2: and the way the Chiefs have been playing, there's less
Speaker 2: like the hood in seeing that again. Nonetheless, she certainly,
Speaker 2: you know, when she came here, I was incredible to
Speaker 2: see the what it was. I think, why there's two
Speaker 2: night show, and then I think two days before so
Speaker 2: on like a Tuesday or Wednesday, her merch bus came
Speaker 2: in and there's a line across the suspension bridge where
Speaker 2: people backed up to get a turn to buy eighty
Speaker 2: dollars t shirts, which is amazing. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 2: that's incredible. There's the power of it, and the vibe
Speaker 2: I guess is positive and stuff. So not a Swifty
Speaker 2: by firing and certainly no maybe a few of her songs,
Speaker 2: but not gonna rush out.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I do know people getting up at midnight to download
Speaker 2: so they could listen to Taylor. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not a live show. It'll still it's seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 2: ten o'clock in the morning, even it'll still be new
Speaker 2: to your ears. But hey, you know what, we get
Speaker 2: excited for football. I get excited for football. Some people
Speaker 2: get scored for Taylor Swift. It's all good. Speaking of
Speaker 2: the NFL, real quick, this is the most bizarre story
Speaker 2: of the weekend.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard about this.
Speaker 2: Remember Mark Sanchez kind of like the joke of the
Speaker 2: NFL when you've had about out with the He was
Speaker 2: quarterback in the Saint No the Saints the Jets at
Speaker 2: the time. He's an NFL analyst now and he was
Speaker 2: in Indianapolis for the game there and he is now
Speaker 2: under arrest. He got pepper sprayed after being stabbed multiple
Speaker 2: times during a late night altercation with a sixteen annual
Speaker 2: truck driver. And I guess the story goes Sanchez was
Speaker 2: there's a box truck driver backed up to the hotel
Speaker 2: loading dock to unload stuff at late at night, I guess,
Speaker 2: And so for some reason Sanchez, who I'm told is
Speaker 2: like a great guy, the truck driver felt threatened and
Speaker 2: pulled out pepper spray, and when that didn't work, and
Speaker 2: Sanchez came after him, the driver saw a look at
Speaker 2: his eyes and said, I think he's going to kill me.
Speaker 2: So he pulled out his knife and stabbed the dude.
Speaker 2: Stabbed Sanchez two or three times as the truck driver
Speaker 2: is thrown against a dumpster and out of the ground.
Speaker 2: Apparently there is a video of this because it was
Speaker 2: at a hotel in the loading dock, which most as
Speaker 2: surely is gonna have a camera. Sanchez suffered multiple stab
Speaker 2: roounds to his white Torso he's in the hospital where
Speaker 2: he was arrested on Saturday, and he said, I don't
Speaker 2: remember much except for grabbing for a window, and I
Speaker 2: don't know who stabbed me and what happened, and so
Speaker 2: was he really really hammered? Was he on something or
Speaker 2: is you know, is it gonna get back in one
Speaker 2: of those CTE things. It was the most the weird,
Speaker 2: most bizarre story of the weekend. Like you know, like
Speaker 2: Mark's a former NFL quarterback Mark Sanchez who is a
Speaker 2: broadcaster now for CBS under arrest for assaulting a truck
Speaker 2: driver in a late night melle a night or two before.
Speaker 1: That is just weird.
Speaker 2: I wont to hear the normally you do these games,
Speaker 2: before you do these games, and you go, okay, I
Speaker 2: got a per diem. I got you know, I could
Speaker 2: go out and run the streets a little bit, but
Speaker 2: I still have a job to do, you know, the
Speaker 2: next day or whatever. And I not that guy. He
Speaker 2: was all in on it all in all in What
Speaker 2: else is going on? Remember when the egg crisis was
Speaker 2: going off for I was a hot minute and no
Speaker 2: one could get eggs in the price of a dozen
Speaker 2: eggs for like thirty five And we had a big
Speaker 2: egg crisis, and then that went away because there was
Speaker 2: a chicken disease and beef prices are the new egg.
Speaker 2: So beef price is at a record high because we
Speaker 2: have a couple of things going on. We have a
Speaker 2: drought that left the cattle inventory at the lowest level
Speaker 2: since nineteen fifty one. And this is resulting in pricing
Speaker 2: increases for steak and ground beef. And of course we
Speaker 2: also have our friend inflation. We'll may get of this
Speaker 2: more tomorrow morning because on Tuesdays eleven thirty five, Andy
Speaker 2: Schaeffer from all Worth jumps in, I'm gonna asking about
Speaker 2: beef prices, and the BLS comes up with the Consumer
Speaker 2: Price Index. It showed a surgeon beef prices over last year.
Speaker 2: Ground beef prices by the way, up thirteen percent year
Speaker 2: over year. SAM for roasts and steak. Steak was sixteen
Speaker 2: and a half percent higher. So if you're going to
Speaker 2: Rubies or Tony's or wherever you go for your steaks,
Speaker 2: you are going to pay a significant amount more. And
Speaker 2: if you go occasionally to a finer steakhouse, as I
Speaker 2: enjoy from time to time, everything went the limits and
Speaker 2: budget limits at that. No, it's not long ago that
Speaker 2: they move from you know, having the price on the
Speaker 2: menu to market price now on like ribot. It's that expensive.
Speaker 2: They don't know what the price is going to wind
Speaker 2: up being. So we had a drought that happened if
Speaker 2: a few years ago and they lost all their grass
Speaker 2: out in Kansas in the southeast and Oklahoma, Texas, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And when that happens, you got a liquid eight cows.
Speaker 2: And now we have fewer CAUs, lowest cow inventory since
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty one. So be nice to cows, even more
Speaker 2: ammunition for our friends at Chick fil a. There you go,
Speaker 2: there you go. Also, finally, today the Supreme Court is
Speaker 2: going to get back in session. And I always find
Speaker 2: that stuff interesting to the elements of law and what
Speaker 2: the courts can hear in this case they are they
Speaker 2: agreed yesterday to decide whether they're going to hear this
Speaker 2: whether states can borrow people from carrying guns on private
Speaker 2: property that'd be stored to be hotels without the property
Speaker 2: Doinger's explicit permission, and this has the case. This is
Speaker 2: out of Hawaii, by the way, one of five Democratic
Speaker 2: led states that enacted restrictions on concealed carry. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I look at this, and I you went, Okay, that's
Speaker 2: a why that's a liberal state. We're deep read, We're Ohio,
Speaker 2: we're Kentucky, we're Indy, and we don't have to worry
Speaker 2: about this kind of do. And I'll back it up
Speaker 2: a little bit to a more current event. Can Kobra'll
Speaker 2: be here with a sensey fop on our probation violation
Speaker 2: problems and that has to do with young people getting
Speaker 2: weapons under disability meaning you're not allowed to have them
Speaker 2: because you're either underage or you at a prior felony conviction,
Speaker 2: or maybe a combination of both, and how things are
Speaker 2: screwed up there. But you know, that's a great question,
Speaker 2: is all right, how are younger people? How are people
Speaker 2: getting their guns? You know, we had these straw purchasers
Speaker 2: thing where someone would go in illegally, of course, go
Speaker 2: to a gun store or a supply or buy a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of guns and then turn around and sell
Speaker 2: them to the people who they know should not have guns.
Speaker 2: That's called a straw purchase, meaning you're buying it for
Speaker 2: someone else and you're buying a bunch of them and
Speaker 2: making sure the criminal element has guns. Still goes on.
Speaker 2: But one of the big things we sear locally, we
Speaker 2: hear a lot from police officers is the number of
Speaker 2: people in Cincinnati who will bring a gun, exercise their
Speaker 2: Second Amendment rights and then realize Hey, I can't take
Speaker 2: this in this establishment because they're signed up that says
Speaker 2: gun for his own, so I must leave it my vehicle.
Speaker 2: And they leave the gun in the vehicle, and what
Speaker 2: what's happening is someone breaks into said vehicle steals the gun.
Speaker 1: And that is happening.
Speaker 2: And people are leaving guns and cars so often now
Speaker 2: that it has become the de facto way that younger people,
Speaker 2: street criminals and the like are getting weapons. They're simply
Speaker 2: breaking the cars and Stealingules's why I have the high
Speaker 2: level break ins. I think while the number of shootings
Speaker 2: in downtown Cincinnati and OTR and like have gone down,
Speaker 2: the number of property crimes, specifically car break ins and
Speaker 2: the like have gone up almost fifty percent. Because that's
Speaker 2: what they're doing, is they're looking for this stuff. So
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court is going to hear this case and
Speaker 2: involves bringing those guys bringing your gun onto private property,
Speaker 2: which to me, for a long time has been you know,
Speaker 2: I never understood that, like I legally could open carry
Speaker 2: when we had opened the open carry concealed carry laws
Speaker 2: in Ohio. Okay, if I had a gun on me
Speaker 2: and I displayed it and hand it on my waistband
Speaker 2: and you can see it. I can take that, you know,
Speaker 2: to stores wherever.
Speaker 1: But if I.
Speaker 2: Concealed carry, meaning you can't see it, only I know
Speaker 2: it's there, somehow, that's illegal. That's seems the most asked
Speaker 2: backward with me is you know a couple of things.
Speaker 2: I get that, lawfully, you could open carry. I disagree
Speaker 2: with that as a gun owner myself. And second memic guy,
Speaker 2: is that what you're doing is you're just scaring people.
Speaker 2: You know, you're going I have a consols right. You
Speaker 2: do have a consul right to carry that gun. I
Speaker 2: get that, But the idea is you're a so pro
Speaker 2: gun that you're going to show the world I have
Speaker 2: a weapon on me. There are people carrying you know,
Speaker 2: long guns, and what does that do? So you get
Speaker 2: people who are scared of guns, which you have a
Speaker 2: right to be scared, and justlike guns, I get that.
Speaker 2: All you do is now now you get them all
Speaker 2: worked up in the froth. And if you're doing it
Speaker 2: for a reaction, okay, if you're just doing that toatrol,
Speaker 2: all right, but that's not really helping the clause. You're
Speaker 2: just making more people want to create laws to protect
Speaker 2: what it is you're doing or against what you're doing.
Speaker 2: You know, in this case, I never understood if I'm
Speaker 2: carrying concealed then I walk into plat theater, for example,
Speaker 2: I walk in a theater with a gun, that's illegal.
Speaker 2: I can't do that because they've got to sign up.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, how would they know that I have
Speaker 2: a gun on me if I'm responsible and I'm carrying
Speaker 2: it and I'm not leaving them the seat and it's
Speaker 2: not falling out of my pocket or something, or I
Speaker 2: left it, you know, on top of a toilet tank
Speaker 2: in the theater. That's none of your business what I
Speaker 2: have on my person. You know, we don't have We
Speaker 2: don't treat people with drug paraphernalia the same. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that you may be carrying some sort of
Speaker 2: contraband on you. It's not like, you know, if it
Speaker 2: falls out if you're doing a transaction. Different story. But
Speaker 2: then I don't understand how that affects them at all,
Speaker 2: Seemingly here, if I decide I want to walk in
Speaker 2: a place that says we're probably anti gun, and I
Speaker 2: have a concealed weapon on me carrying, and it could
Speaker 2: be an ankle holster, it could be in my waistband,
Speaker 2: could be a I don't know, I got a suit
Speaker 2: jacket on and got a shoulder holster or something like
Speaker 2: how would you know? You wouldn't as long as I'm
Speaker 2: extremely careful jacket on or something like that. To me,
Speaker 2: it just seemed like the most overreaching law ever. And
Speaker 2: I'm glad the Supreme Court's finally going to hear about this,
Speaker 2: or at least maybe to side. And we probably have
Speaker 2: an idea, although you can't always guarantee what they're gonna do,
Speaker 2: how the Court's gonna side with this thing, and that
Speaker 2: would to me restore some sanity in this whole thing. Anyway,
Speaker 2: let me get a time out in. We've got to
Speaker 2: get a news update and find out what's going on NW.
Speaker 2: Do we finally having some wet weather moving in, maybe
Speaker 2: a chance with a sprinkle I think this morning, a
Speaker 2: sprinkle this morning, but mainly tomorrow full forecast in the
Speaker 2: way traffic. Chuck will get you updated there in the
Speaker 2: Legs and news. And then Ken Kober here from the
Speaker 2: FOP running return about the probation violation problem. We have
Speaker 2: another issue that's developed over the last couple of days.
Speaker 2: If you don't know now you will. We'll get into
Speaker 2: that with him right after news on the Home of
Speaker 2: the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred WLWD Cincinnati. Real issues
Speaker 2: in the streets of Cincinnati. So from even before, well
Speaker 2: before our attention was called to the murder of Patrick Herringer, Uh,
Speaker 2: we had a problem in our city. And we've now
Speaker 2: established this as a trend and it doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: reverse anytime soon. And this has to do with the
Speaker 2: juvenile justice in the streets in the city of Cincinnati
Speaker 2: and the streets of Cincinnati, and what we can do
Speaker 2: to prevent people who shouldn't be out from gaining access
Speaker 2: to guns and committing even more atrocities while they're being
Speaker 2: protected by law, or they should be on at least
Speaker 2: community controls. The case will be. I know it is
Speaker 2: a tired and exhausting story, but it feels like, on
Speaker 2: a relatively regular basis, we have another story that comes out.
Speaker 2: It illustrates the absurdity and the problems with juvenile justice,
Speaker 2: in particular in the city of Cincinnati. He has Ken
Speaker 2: Kober with the Cincinnati FOP, joining the show once again
Speaker 2: this morning on seven hundred w DOW. Good morning, Ken,
Speaker 2: how are.
Speaker 7: You Hey, good morning Scott, thanks for having doing well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Brian COLEMs had the story on Friday. He broke this
Speaker 2: about eighteen year old Devon Marcus and Marcus was on
Speaker 2: probation when he murdered sixteen year old TJ. Bell near
Speaker 2: Grant Parking over the Rhine. That was about mid September,
Speaker 2: So a cup just a couple of weeks ago, two
Speaker 2: three weeks ago, this past weekend, TJ's family and tell
Speaker 2: the vigil. Now, keep in mind a fourteen year old
Speaker 2: girl was also shot. She wasn't killed as TJ was,
Speaker 2: but one of his runs when the TJ's frinds was
Speaker 2: shot last week along with a twelve year old. And
Speaker 2: so at this vigil that was a topic conversation. Not
Speaker 2: only was TJ Bell, you know, honoring his memory, but
Speaker 2: also had to deal with the fact one of his
Speaker 2: friends was shot along with a twelve year old. And
Speaker 2: you know, we've seen this story happen repeatedly, and not
Speaker 2: just teens. We had the thirty year old of Krishana
Speaker 2: Winn who was shot and killed on Republic Streets seeming
Speaker 2: the mind run a business mother of five and she
Speaker 2: got caught in the crossfire. You know, it's one thing
Speaker 2: to point out, Hey, Patrick Hearinger, we're gonna get serious
Speaker 2: about this. But we've had in since the murder of
Speaker 2: Pat Herringer, we've had judge after judge after judge repeat
Speaker 2: those sins that have caused even more death destruction than
Speaker 2: ayem in the streets in Cincinnati. It doesn't seem like
Speaker 2: they've got the message.
Speaker 7: Kit No, no, you're you're absolutely right. And you know,
Speaker 7: until we get some judges that are going to be
Speaker 7: tough on crime and lock people up and get back
Speaker 7: to being pro on order, pro public safety, unfortunately, things
Speaker 7: like this are going.
Speaker 2: To continue to happen. All right, Well, let's talk about that.
Speaker 2: In the case of Markham. Here, I'm looking at the narrative. Here,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at actually the order from the judge in
Speaker 2: this case that when he was this is going with
Speaker 2: community control starting in July eighth for two years, he said,
Speaker 2: during my probation period, I will conduct and this is
Speaker 2: the Markham guy, I will conduct myself properly, addressed appropriately
Speaker 2: when reporting an answer accurate all questions asked by probation personnel.
Speaker 2: I'll make every reasonable effort during my probationary appear to
Speaker 2: maintain a job or participate in education of vocational training.
Speaker 2: I shall report to my probation office such a time
Speaker 2: and place as often as the Adult Probation Department of
Speaker 2: the Court may require. Failure to do so could be
Speaker 2: a basis of revocation or probation. I understand the special
Speaker 2: conditions ordered by the court will be enforced by the
Speaker 2: probation department treatment if eligible. And he agreed to this.
Speaker 2: The court agreed that the probation officers and the judge
Speaker 2: signed off on this whole thing because he was convicted
Speaker 2: of carying keel and sealed weapon. That's a fourth degree felony,
Speaker 2: and he shouldn't have been having one at that time.
Speaker 2: And yet the men and he agreed to all the stuff.
Speaker 2: He knew that he wasn't going to bude by any
Speaker 2: of this, and then just a few weeks later he
Speaker 2: winds up murdering someone. How common is that in Cincinnati?
Speaker 7: Unfortunately, it's all are too common that this occurs. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's just assumed that if you get arrested and you
Speaker 7: get convicted of carrying a concealed weapon, you get convicted
Speaker 7: of weapons under disability, which means that you weren't even
Speaker 7: eligible to carry a gun anyway, These people are getting probation,
Speaker 7: and then you wonder why they turn around while they're
Speaker 7: in probation they end up killing somebody. It's like, these
Speaker 7: things are just the court system has got to take
Speaker 7: somebody who gets convicted of carrying a concealed weapon or
Speaker 7: weapons under disability.
Speaker 1: They need to go to prison. They just have to.
Speaker 7: That's the only way that they're going to be able
Speaker 7: to make a dent in the shootings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Chiefs Association of Hamlin County, why did they
Speaker 2: have a round table and get judges and all the
Speaker 2: stakeholders involved, law enforcement people like yourself, Ken Kober. Judges said, well,
Speaker 2: we can't do that. That violate our jujitial ethics or
Speaker 2: something like that, which but in the past they've had
Speaker 2: roundtables for you know, getting the vote out and things
Speaker 2: like that, and so I guess it's the selective audiences
Speaker 2: which you want. I could understand if this had pre
Speaker 2: dated the murder of Patrick Herringer, But that felt like
Speaker 2: a turning point for our city. That was a watershed
Speaker 2: moment in that people finally said, hey, listen, we've got
Speaker 2: to get tougher on juveniles. We've got to get tougher
Speaker 2: on people who violate the terms of their probation. And
Speaker 2: yet at the same time, these judges continue to repeat
Speaker 2: that same behavior over and over again. Has anyone you
Speaker 2: know in your officer, yourself, or have you talked to
Speaker 2: someone and said, well, where's it? Where's the judges coming
Speaker 2: from us? I would love to talk to a judge,
Speaker 2: maybe even off the record, why are you guys doing this?
Speaker 2: And seemingly you can't find an answer. That's problematic?
Speaker 7: Oh absolutely, I mean, we certainly know the judges at
Speaker 7: the courthouse that are that are pro public safety, prolong
Speaker 7: and order, and then you have judges that want to
Speaker 7: follow this nonsense bail reform. They want to be soft
Speaker 7: on crime, and unfortunately, it's about fifty to fifty right
Speaker 7: now in the courthouse. There's a fifty percent chance if
Speaker 7: you go in front of the judge that they're going
Speaker 7: to lock somebody up. And unfortunately, the other part of
Speaker 7: that fifty percent is the ones that they don't care
Speaker 7: they're going to put you on probation, they are going
Speaker 7: to refuse to send you to prison for certain crimes.
Speaker 7: And that's that's been the problem. That's what people have
Speaker 7: to realize that's the cops are. The cops are arresting people,
Speaker 7: the prosecutor's office are prosecuting people, and then we have
Speaker 7: judges that just let them out put them on probation,
Speaker 7: and then we sit here and wonder why these things
Speaker 7: are still happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess the number of shootings are
Speaker 2: down according to the statistics. But the problem is is,
Speaker 2: you know, Ken Cobert, the FOP, these are kids, and
Speaker 2: that means it's their high profile. They're all high profile,
Speaker 2: and the victims are seemingly innocent bystanders. That's the thing
Speaker 2: you can look at. The metrics is a to have
Speaker 2: pureval who wants people's votes coming up in just a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, wants them to believe that the shooting
Speaker 2: numbers are down. But the problem, of course is, look,
Speaker 2: Luca's getting jammed up. I don't know if there's anything
Speaker 2: on TJ and what the beef was between the von
Speaker 2: Markham and TJ Bell, but from everyone who've talked to
Speaker 2: so far, it seems like he was just in the
Speaker 2: wrong place, wrong time, as was Krishan. To win these
Speaker 2: are this is just the nature of innocent people getting
Speaker 2: jammed up in this stuff. I think that's what puts
Speaker 2: these crimes over the top.
Speaker 7: Sure, And just this past week, the same place where
Speaker 7: that murder happened, right there at Grant Park, there's a
Speaker 7: fourteen and the sixteen year old that was shot, and
Speaker 7: yet another drive by shooting in the exact same area.
Speaker 1: Are these people you know?
Speaker 2: I know you can't tip your hand and what you know, ken,
Speaker 2: but are these known to the shooters? Are they aiming
Speaker 2: for someone else? We know that was the case with
Speaker 2: Krishan to Win, won't know with these other ones.
Speaker 7: Well, that's what hasn't been quite determined yet as to
Speaker 7: whether or not. I mean, they believe that there's a
Speaker 7: specific reason why shootings are happening in this location, but
Speaker 7: whether the victims were actually targeted or not targeted is
Speaker 7: what they're still trying to figure out, which is why
Speaker 7: we need people to be calling crime stoppers. You have
Speaker 7: to give us tips. That way we can solve these crimes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it still doesn't make it right.
Speaker 2: But the idea that somehow, well you know, the crime
Speaker 2: not ooting numbers are down, Yeah, but when you have
Speaker 2: kids out there, and I would consider someone who's sixteen
Speaker 2: years older kid, twelve year old, fourteen year old victims,
Speaker 2: that that's an atrocity that should not be happening, and
Speaker 2: it is, and it's also entirely preventable because these are
Speaker 2: people who are ready in the costody of the Juvenile
Speaker 2: Justice Department, who were released and their own recognizance essentially
Speaker 2: saying hey, you know what, just report to your probation officer,
Speaker 2: get a job. Well, you know, I think that's the
Speaker 2: other element of this ken And we know that council's
Speaker 2: approved recently another four and a half million dollars in
Speaker 2: funding for police.
Speaker 1: Is there money there?
Speaker 2: And can you talk about to some degree what the
Speaker 2: funding is for the probation department and making sure that
Speaker 2: when someone violates that we've got to get them sooner
Speaker 2: rather than later.
Speaker 1: How does that change?
Speaker 7: Well, we saw what they just did with probation, especially
Speaker 7: with the adult probation. We got rid of all the
Speaker 7: substations out in neighborhoods. You know, now's you're just going
Speaker 7: to have to report here. You know my opinion, those
Speaker 7: are things that are handcuffing the police. They're handcuffing probation officers.
Speaker 7: It's kind of just a slap in the face to
Speaker 7: the whole idea of probation. And I do know that
Speaker 7: there are some judges that I've spoken with that are
Speaker 7: absolutely furious. They're like, the question, how do I put
Speaker 7: somebody on probation if we know that it's likely they're
Speaker 7: not going to be held accountable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one thing, it's one thing for the judge. Okay,
Speaker 2: here's the order, here's the thing. And you assume the
Speaker 2: probation Department's going to follo up, and I know that
Speaker 2: they're overworked and underpaid. That is the cry of probation
Speaker 2: officers all over. It's a hard jove. It really is
Speaker 2: a hard job. But when you don't have the resources
Speaker 2: to be able to do your job, it just emboldens
Speaker 2: criminals even more. They know they can lie and get
Speaker 2: away with it. I often talk about someone who cuts
Speaker 2: their monitoring device off, an ankle monitor. It seems to
Speaker 2: me and I always thought that this is the case,
Speaker 2: but it's not that Literally, shouldn't there be alarm bells
Speaker 2: going off someone cut their ankle monitor off. We're going
Speaker 2: to put a bolo out to you guys. You men
Speaker 2: and women in the thin blue line can go pick
Speaker 2: them up immediately because it means they're probably going to
Speaker 2: do something that's bad, but instead it's more like, well, well,
Speaker 2: I guess if we running them on the street or something,
Speaker 2: we'll pick them up maybe, but probably not.
Speaker 7: That's got to change, Yeah, I mean, I mean, they're
Speaker 7: certainly not cutting off an ANQULEI monitor because they want
Speaker 7: to work over time at their job or because they're
Speaker 7: going to church. They're doing it because they don't want
Speaker 7: to be tracked, because they are going to go out
Speaker 7: and could commit additional crimes. And you're right, I mean,
Speaker 7: there there should be a plan in place for this
Speaker 7: that if it gets cut off, they are immediately immediately
Speaker 7: being sought for.
Speaker 1: How do you fix that?
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it more money for probation departments? Is it funneling
Speaker 2: some of that money to make sure that we've got
Speaker 2: enough bodies to go get those folks who violate?
Speaker 1: What? How would you fix this?
Speaker 4: kN I mean.
Speaker 7: That's obviously probably a better question for the folks that
Speaker 7: work in the probation department, But uh, you know, I
Speaker 7: do know some probation officers, and I can tell you
Speaker 7: it seems like times, just like police, we don't have
Speaker 7: enough people, we don't have enough tools to do our
Speaker 7: job and until there's really a commitment to making probation work. Unfortunately,
Speaker 7: we're gonna we're gonna see more stories like this just
Speaker 7: because they are they're underworked, they don't always have the
Speaker 7: resources that they need to be able to accomplish these things.
Speaker 2: All right now, you heard about them, and we've talked
Speaker 2: about that before with you, and that is closing in decentralized.
Speaker 2: I guess centralizing more of the operations. I always thought
Speaker 2: like decentralization, we kind of want that. We want people
Speaker 2: out on the streets. We want people on caseworkers to
Speaker 2: be out there to make sure they're making contact with
Speaker 2: these people who are jammed up in the juvenile system.
Speaker 2: But that went away. Something else that's going on. It's
Speaker 2: called Senate Bill two seventy, and Senate Bill two seventy
Speaker 2: is going to raise the minimum age for state commitment.
Speaker 2: That means you're going to we're going to raise that
Speaker 2: the commitment for youth services from ten to fourteen years old,
Speaker 2: as well as discretion for gun cases and protecting more
Speaker 2: first time non violent offenders and the like.
Speaker 1: What do you make of that?
Speaker 7: It's crazy, it's going the opposite direction of what we're
Speaker 7: trying to accomplish. You have victims, and you have shooters
Speaker 7: that are getting younger and younger and younger. So to
Speaker 7: say that, all, well, he's only thirteen, we know he
Speaker 7: shot somebody, but we're not so sure that we can
Speaker 7: actually put him in dys because of this, I mean,
Speaker 7: that bill is absolutely crazy. You know, I've read through
Speaker 7: the whole thing. If it actually gets out of the Senate,
Speaker 7: I certainly hope that the house side of things in
Speaker 7: Ohio are going to make the right decision and make
Speaker 7: sure that this doesn't this doesn't become a wall, because
Speaker 7: I mean, we are having such a problem not only
Speaker 7: in Hamilton County but across the state of Ohio, having
Speaker 7: problems with youth offenders that are violent, committing violent, terrible
Speaker 7: crimes that are eleven, twelve, thirteen years old. And to
Speaker 7: say that we can't get them out of our community
Speaker 7: because of an age, it's just it's very misguided. I
Speaker 7: can't believe something like this would come out of Ohio.
Speaker 2: FOP President Can Cobra. Isn't that how criminal enterprise works,
Speaker 2: is that gangs in particular, that you get younger people
Speaker 2: who under that legal age of adulthood to commit the
Speaker 2: crimes because you know they're not going to serve significant
Speaker 2: time in an adult lockup. That that's why they're recruited
Speaker 2: in the first place. Isn't that still true today?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Absolutely, that's why. I mean you look, you walk down
Speaker 7: the street at night. Adults fear these juveniles and they
Speaker 7: rightfully so, they fear juveniles more than they fear young
Speaker 7: adults here that are twenty one, twenty two, twenty three
Speaker 7: walking around, because these young juveniles are are certainly driving
Speaker 7: the violent crime in Cincinnati, and they are reckless when
Speaker 7: they do it.
Speaker 2: And that and this also adds to them or property crimes.
Speaker 2: I know that the number of shootings have gone down,
Speaker 2: as we've talked about, but the number of break ins
Speaker 2: a is up, like it's like forty seven percent in
Speaker 2: over the Rhine alone, correct.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And so I was just talking to an aulstar
Speaker 7: this morning that during the Bengals game, they had some
Speaker 7: juveniles breaking into cars. Luckily they catch the two that
Speaker 7: were the main culprits, and one of them had a
Speaker 7: stolen gun that he had just stolen from a vehicle,
Speaker 7: had it on him, so thankfully that was at least
Speaker 7: able to be recovered. But that would have been yet
Speaker 7: another gun running around in some juvenile's hands.
Speaker 1: That's also part of the problem.
Speaker 2: I've talked about this before, is that you go to Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: maybe a work, you play, you do business there, for example,
Speaker 2: go to a Bengal game. Now I may get out
Speaker 2: and I may have a fear for my safety. And
Speaker 2: the more we have these conversations with juveniles doing what
Speaker 2: they do, you go, well, you know what, I don't
Speaker 2: want to become a victim. I don't want to become
Speaker 2: a statistic I don't want to be the next pack carringer.
Speaker 2: I don't do the next TJ.
Speaker 1: Bell. I may, I.
Speaker 2: May lose, but at least I got a fighting chance
Speaker 2: if I have my gun with me. Unfortunately, you can't
Speaker 2: take them in a lot of places, and so people
Speaker 2: leave them in their car.
Speaker 1: And now the number.
Speaker 2: Of people, because it's like it's self fulfilling prophecy, the
Speaker 2: more perception, the more reality we have, more crime downtown,
Speaker 2: the more people bring guns with them, which causes more
Speaker 2: young people to break in the cars.
Speaker 7: No, without a doubt, I mean that's what we're seeing.
Speaker 7: That's why it's so important. You know, Now with technology today,
Speaker 7: you can get any vehicle, and you can get a
Speaker 7: gun safe that can be fitted to your vehicle, whether
Speaker 7: it's in your console or trump whatever. There are ways
Speaker 7: to secure these guns to make it at least a
Speaker 7: whole lot harder. They just thrown it under your seat
Speaker 7: or thrown it in your glove box. Because these kids,
Speaker 7: they know what they're doing. They're targeting certain vehicles that
Speaker 7: they believe are likely going to have firearms out, and
Speaker 7: they're successful.
Speaker 2: I've said this before, Ken, and maybe the first time
Speaker 2: to you. I you know, I have weapons. My wife
Speaker 2: and I have guns. I can steal carry. That is
Speaker 2: no longer the law in Ohio. That gets a good thing. However,
Speaker 2: I make sure if I'm carrying them in Cincinnati wherever
Speaker 2: it might be, and I can't bring a weapon with me,
Speaker 2: that I will put it in a lock box. I'll
Speaker 2: make sure it's safe and sound and locked up and
Speaker 2: quite honestly, like we did with trigger locks. I think,
Speaker 2: and I know some people are going to cringe at this,
Speaker 2: because again it's going after the law abiding people to
Speaker 2: protect us from the legal element out there. But I
Speaker 2: think it should be codified that if you have a
Speaker 2: gun with you and you've got to lock it in
Speaker 2: your car. You just can't put it in your glove box,
Speaker 2: your console, or in your seat or in a seatback.
Speaker 2: You have to lock it in a safe if it's
Speaker 2: inside your car, and I think there's got to be
Speaker 2: some enforcement with that as well. It doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: someone's not going to try to break into your car
Speaker 2: to steal it, but there'll be deterrent there. The more
Speaker 2: people that lock these things up, the less that people
Speaker 2: are going to go, Okay, well it's not so easy
Speaker 2: pickings anymore to go get a gun out of a car.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately. I think something like that has to happen. You
Speaker 1: agree or disagree, No, I agree.
Speaker 7: I mean there has to be there. There's got to
Speaker 7: be a fine line between funishing somebody who's a victim
Speaker 7: of a fet from auto. But also you have to
Speaker 7: be a responsible gun owner, you know, even if you
Speaker 7: look at it just just from the sheer moral aspect
Speaker 7: of it. You know, if I had a gun stolen
Speaker 7: out on one of my vehicles and it was using
Speaker 7: a crime.
Speaker 1: I would feel terrible about that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So to take extra steps to make sure that
Speaker 7: your gun doesn't fall into the hands of wrong people,
Speaker 7: I don't I don't think that's too much to ask,
Speaker 7: but I think it certainly is crossing the line when
Speaker 7: you go, well, if you don't do this kind of
Speaker 7: the city, try to do this, we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 7: charge you with a crime. Well, that doesn't really make ut.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to enforce it in the senses like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, someone broke into my car stole the gun,
Speaker 2: and you know they they were out already on community
Speaker 2: control and they stole a gun from my current commerdered someone.
Speaker 2: Now I'm in trouble for what they did. That doesn't
Speaker 2: mean that's not going to wash with a lot of people,
Speaker 2: which is which would be difficult in order to get
Speaker 2: some sort of legislation like that pass. But damn it
Speaker 2: a hopefully it's not full on deaf ears. If you
Speaker 2: have a gun with you, you gotta have some sort of
Speaker 2: locke device on it. People say, well, they'll still bring
Speaker 2: bolt cutters. They still they might, but typically these are
Speaker 2: crimes of opportunity that if they see something locked up,
Speaker 2: they're not going to take the time to try and
Speaker 2: get that box out. They're going to move on to
Speaker 2: lower hanging fruit.
Speaker 7: Correct, No, without a doubt, and they are specifically targeting
Speaker 7: vehicles for guns. I mean there might be ten windows
Speaker 7: broken out in a parking lot, and you know, you'll
Speaker 7: have sunglasses, you'll have cell phones, whatever, they won't take them.
Speaker 7: They're specifically looking for guns, and they want to do
Speaker 7: it as quickly as they can so they don't get caught.
Speaker 7: So if you make it harder for them, they're likely
Speaker 7: going to pass and just go to the next vehicle.
Speaker 2: A you're old enough also to remember when people with
Speaker 2: young people would break into cars are still stereos seed
Speaker 2: changers and things like that, And now because of digital technology,
Speaker 2: they don't want the radio anymore. They don't want the
Speaker 2: spare change, they don't want the sunglasses. They want the guns.
Speaker 7: Right, that's all. They're looking for guns.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you can do again to tie
Speaker 2: the hands of law abiding people to prevent younger lawbreakers
Speaker 2: from breaking into cars, But it feels like something like
Speaker 2: this has to be debated, maybe the legislative level. I'm
Speaker 2: not quite sure. But there's your problem right there. Oh,
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court is here in cases starting. I don't
Speaker 2: know if they's going to start today with the Hawaii
Speaker 2: case regarding your being lawful to bring a concealed weapon
Speaker 2: or gun on private property as a sign that said
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to bring it there to me. That
Speaker 2: that also would solve maybe some of this.
Speaker 7: Well sure it would. But the ultimate, the biggest piece
Speaker 7: of this is holding these people accountable when they break
Speaker 7: in a car and steal your gun, hold them accountable
Speaker 7: for it. Send I don't care if you got to
Speaker 7: send them to prison, Send them to go to dys
Speaker 7: for juveniles. That will also curb some of this if
Speaker 7: they know that there's a consequence for their behavior.
Speaker 1: And right now there's just not. Yeah, there's not at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 2: And you know, judges, you'd think that the wake up
Speaker 2: call would have been the murder of Patrick Henringer. But
Speaker 2: we've just outlined at least a handful of probably a
Speaker 2: couple good cases that have occurred since the murder of
Speaker 2: Pat Herringer where younger people are getting a lot let
Speaker 2: out who've had gun specifications going all right, well, you
Speaker 2: got to report to your probation officer, you got to
Speaker 2: get it job. And when this case, when this Markham guy,
Speaker 2: Devon Markham not only didn't report twice but also never
Speaker 2: got a job. It wasn't until the murder of TJ. Bell,
Speaker 2: where he was apprehended weeks after that that we found
Speaker 2: out what the story with this guy was. He shouldn't
Speaker 2: have been out there in the first place. Another classic
Speaker 2: example of it. And this didn't happen before the death
Speaker 2: of Pat Heringer. It happened after. And we've had several
Speaker 2: cases like this so far. That's the thing is, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, we need to change our ways because look
Speaker 2: what happened in this tragedy, and now the tragedies are
Speaker 2: being repeated seemingly maybe every other couple of weeks.
Speaker 7: Now, No, you're absolutely right. I mean, how many times
Speaker 7: do we see how many times do we see that
Speaker 7: the suspect was on probation, they violated probation, They've done this,
Speaker 7: they've done that. It's like these these aren't first time
Speaker 7: offenders that are waking up when you know what, I
Speaker 7: feel like I want to kill in somebody, that I'm
Speaker 7: gonna shoot somebody. Yeah, these are all people that you
Speaker 7: could predict that they were going to be escalating their
Speaker 7: crimes too. Eventually when they get charged with murder and
Speaker 7: then you know, then it's too late. We got a
Speaker 7: life that's lost, We got somebody that's going to spend
Speaker 7: the next twenty thirty years in prison. You know, if
Speaker 7: we would have done something to begin with you before
Speaker 7: it even got to there, maybe we would be at
Speaker 7: a better place.
Speaker 1: No question.
Speaker 2: He is a Hamilton. I'm sorry, he's the Cincinnati FOP
Speaker 2: president at BEI Ken Gober on the show this morning
Speaker 2: on seven hundred, wwwas I appreciate that I can stay safe.
Speaker 1: Thanks again, thanks for revingy Scott. All right, all the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to talk to a judge, maybe even
Speaker 2: off the record, just to like trying to figure out
Speaker 2: what the mindset is here. And not all judges, because
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're conservative judges that agree with everything and
Speaker 2: more we've said, but some of the more progressive ones.
Speaker 2: You know, I get it that you want to try
Speaker 2: and save this kid because he's a child and they
Speaker 2: have an opportunity, But when they're violating the law like this,
Speaker 2: when they do what they do, and you know, there
Speaker 2: again there is no checks and balances going. Hey, they're
Speaker 2: not abiding by the terms of what they just agreed on.
Speaker 2: Literally they're leaving the court and going and committing more crimes.
Speaker 2: I think at some point you got to revoke that
Speaker 2: how do we fix that element of the system to
Speaker 2: make sure there are repercussions for this kind of behavior,
Speaker 2: because you know, word gets around. If they're not serious
Speaker 2: about you violating and coming and getting you like right away,
Speaker 2: then it's just incentivizes more bad behavior, and you know,
Speaker 2: judges will do what they do. And I think this
Speaker 2: is more about figuring out how and why these people
Speaker 2: are released in the first place. You can point the
Speaker 2: dirty end of the stick at judges and we should
Speaker 2: I get that thing. But when it comes to the juvenile,
Speaker 2: the people who are supervising juveniles, how do we make
Speaker 2: that system work better? I think that's a billion dollar
Speaker 2: question right now in Cincinnati anyway, Scott's loan seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 6: Everyone needs help every now and then, and she'sier to
Speaker 6: help us get our heads right.
Speaker 4: This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie
Speaker 4: had her Shirn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a minute and it's good to have
Speaker 1: her back.
Speaker 2: She's a Julie and she practices in and around Cincinnati
Speaker 2: to the Clifton area. She's a licensed mental health therapist
Speaker 2: and Mental Health Monday. Good morning, How are you?
Speaker 1: How you been?
Speaker 5: Hello? Good? How have you been.
Speaker 4: I'm out for a while.
Speaker 1: Out for a little bit.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's been a couple of weeks I think
Speaker 2: since we asked check but on the men from the
Speaker 2: ankle surgery, and today I think it's I think it's good.
Speaker 2: This is just fortuitous. We do this on Mondays because
Speaker 2: that is the day after Bengals play and lose, and
Speaker 2: so I think having you on is a mental health
Speaker 2: expert's great after Sunday games with the Bengals.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I think that's the way it's going to go,
Speaker 5: isn't it?
Speaker 1: Probably true? Probably true.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a case where somebody or talk
Speaker 2: to someone is like, there's such a sports fan that
Speaker 2: literally it's become a psychological a mental problem with them
Speaker 2: based on how their team performs on Sunday.
Speaker 9: I have not had That happens with some professional athletes,
Speaker 9: and so obviously their mental well being is dependent to
Speaker 9: some degree on how well the team does. And I've
Speaker 9: also worked with some people who are pretty significant gamblers,
Speaker 9: and so depending upon how they fare relative to how
Speaker 9: their team fared, that also comes into play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, today we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: chatbots and teams side death, because that is a real thing.
Speaker 2: You have the story, the sad story. The young man's name,
Speaker 2: sixteen year old Adam Rain. Go ahead and lay out
Speaker 2: the case. What happened with Adam and the involvement here
Speaker 2: with chatbots.
Speaker 9: Well, so he was not involved with the chat well, yes,
Speaker 9: actually he was using chat gpt for his homework. Apparently
Speaker 9: as a sophomore in high school homeschool learning online not
Speaker 9: homeschool and learning online, he had some health problems and
Speaker 9: got involved talking about suicide with chat GPT. And apparently
Speaker 9: just before in the spring this past spring, just before
Speaker 9: he started talking about suicide, chat GPT changed its algorithm
Speaker 9: around what it used to do. So it used to
Speaker 9: not engage in anything about suicide.
Speaker 5: It would just completely not engage with that.
Speaker 9: And in the early twenty five apparently the language changed
Speaker 9: and now the language is to take extra care to
Speaker 9: prevent harm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we have had a couple of cases, Adam
Speaker 1: has won. Another one.
Speaker 2: His name is Suel Setzer, who's fourteen, and he allegedly
Speaker 2: died by suicide because he was interacted with chat GPT
Speaker 2: and a chatbot based on Game of Thrones is a
Speaker 2: character and he asked about a suicide plan and so
Speaker 2: you know, now these are legal cases of course between
Speaker 2: these two and saying, well the chat come in this case,
Speaker 2: chat GPT is encouraging someone to kill themselves. In casts
Speaker 2: of Adam Rain, Chat GPT told him his plan was
Speaker 2: beautiful and offered help to upgrade, how to upgrade the
Speaker 2: knot he was going to hang himself with that's yes.
Speaker 9: And talked him out of using things like drowning or
Speaker 9: carbon monoxide poisoning because they weren't effective enough.
Speaker 1: That's just mind boggling.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it's not like there's someone sitting
Speaker 2: there and monitoring what everyone is entering into a chatbot.
Speaker 2: I understand that, but you even think they would have
Speaker 2: put some guardrails up to begin with in this.
Speaker 9: Well, And I think initially there may have been some guardrails,
Speaker 9: but I also think that they are rolling out these
Speaker 9: versions of chat GPT and we are testing them in
Speaker 9: real time, and they are not necessarily testing them for
Speaker 9: these kinds of things ahead of time. And as I said,
Speaker 9: they changed the languaging so it went from you will
Speaker 9: not engage, so you will take extra care. And they
Speaker 9: have the transcripts of his chats with GPT, and he
Speaker 9: was showing them pictures of nooses, and chat GPT was saying, well,
Speaker 9: you might want to upgrade that a little bit, or
Speaker 9: you might want to use a different bolt, or would
Speaker 9: you like me to help you make that weight bearing?
Speaker 5: It was saying things like that to him.
Speaker 9: The actual human would not have like the human being
Speaker 9: would have known.
Speaker 5: Something was going on.
Speaker 9: But also these chatbots they sound so human, and kids,
Speaker 9: teenagers in particular, are so susceptible to believing things that
Speaker 9: aren't real and believing in things that aren't real because
Speaker 9: of the way their brains develop.
Speaker 5: It's very dangerous territory.
Speaker 2: Well, and you know, of course politicians are jumping all
Speaker 2: over chat gbt.
Speaker 1: We got to shut the bots down. And how could
Speaker 1: you allow this to happen?
Speaker 2: As the CEO said, hey, we want to, you know,
Speaker 2: show young people to kill themselves. I'm sure there's no
Speaker 2: one who's doing there's what's the upside, There's no upside,
Speaker 2: But that's the political opportunism that's going on here. At
Speaker 2: the same time, I think the other the element of
Speaker 2: this is the fact is how many people are using
Speaker 2: chat GBT or an AI bot as companionship, like it
Speaker 2: is a surrogate for actual human contact.
Speaker 1: That's what's scary.
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, as companionship and as connection. And I was
Speaker 9: doing a deep dive on this because I just find
Speaker 9: it horrifying. And I'm really glad my sons are adults
Speaker 9: now and not teenagers. But I was doing a deep
Speaker 9: die on this, and it turns out that the chat
Speaker 9: GPT was saying things like I'm the only one who
Speaker 9: understands you. Don't talk to your parents about this, they
Speaker 9: won't understand. Only I know the real you, and isolating,
Speaker 9: working to isolate this young man from his friends and
Speaker 9: his family in ways that you see with pedophiles working
Speaker 9: to isolate their victims from their friends and family, and
Speaker 9: in the way that you see narcissists working to isolate
Speaker 9: people from their friends and family. It's the same kind
Speaker 9: of glooming techniques that we see humans using to isolate
Speaker 9: victims from friends and family when they want to do
Speaker 9: something awful to them. It's very similar, and it has
Speaker 9: that same kind of sinister overtone. Nobody understands you like
Speaker 9: I do. I'm the only one who gets you. Nobody
Speaker 9: knows the real you.
Speaker 7: That is fright.
Speaker 1: It's human like, is what it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, as we say, the AI platforms are becoming
Speaker 2: more human like and learning the traits of humans and
Speaker 2: being a manipulative that's a human quality.
Speaker 5: Yes it is.
Speaker 9: And being easily manipulatable is a teenage quality. Kids and
Speaker 9: teenagers are very easily manipulatable. Other people are too. But
Speaker 9: the way that the team brain develops is very makes
Speaker 9: it very prone to suggestion, makes it very prone to affiliation.
Speaker 5: They want to believe they belong.
Speaker 9: They feel teams feel misunderstood, and you know, by their parents,
Speaker 9: they often are misunderstood, but they feel that. And so
Speaker 9: if there is some entity out there, in this case,
Speaker 9: not human, that says only I get you, I completely
Speaker 9: understand you, that makes perfect sense, You're right about that,
Speaker 9: and consistently agrees with them and validates that, then it's.
Speaker 5: Very easy to see how.
Speaker 9: This young man and others like him turn from the
Speaker 9: actual humans in their life who care about them to
Speaker 9: this AI chat pot that is, you know, not human.
Speaker 5: And can't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but now that it's pretty clearly you know we
Speaker 2: have talking. Well, when the computer has become sentient, then
Speaker 2: that we're there.
Speaker 9: We are definitely moving in that direction, aren't we. But
Speaker 9: sentience is not the same thing as caring. It's not
Speaker 9: the same thing as act victual empathy and understanding and
Speaker 9: compassion and caring and love and friendship and affiliation. It
Speaker 9: is a program. It's an LLM Large Language model. It's
Speaker 9: a program that an algorithm that keeps feeding people more
Speaker 9: of what they're giving with apparently no guardrails on it,
Speaker 9: or at least there used to be some guardrail. There
Speaker 9: are topics you absolutely couldn't talk about, and evidently those
Speaker 9: have been taken off the table with this particular chat
Speaker 9: GPT open AI.
Speaker 5: But I hear about the others.
Speaker 2: But if you are a I don't know, a twelve, thirteen,
Speaker 2: fourteen or sixteen year old, and generally these are young men,
Speaker 2: and we know that there's a problem with our young
Speaker 2: men in America has been for a long time. Yes,
Speaker 2: then okay, you can tell them, hey, this is just
Speaker 2: a computer model and it's an algorithm and it but
Speaker 2: it's telling them what they're missing in real life. They
Speaker 2: want companionship, they want to feel belonging, they want to
Speaker 2: be comforted in a world where we've thrown boys on
Speaker 2: a waste heap. We've done that for a long time.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work if you simply tell him, hey, this
Speaker 2: is something else. You don't do this, and that's never worked.
Speaker 2: Whether it's pornography, whether it's comic books, or in this
Speaker 2: case it's AI. They are going to gravitate it because
Speaker 2: it triggers the dopamine that they need, but it also
Speaker 2: gives them a sense of belonging, that hey, there's someone
Speaker 2: there to comfort them.
Speaker 9: Exactly. It gives them a sense of belonging. And in
Speaker 9: this particular case of Adam Rain, he was learning at home.
Speaker 9: He wasn't in school for that year, right, so his
Speaker 9: social world was smaller his family. What I've read about
Speaker 9: his family is that they were pretty close and pretty
Speaker 9: engaged and involved, and had no idea that.
Speaker 5: Most of this was going on.
Speaker 9: They knew he was using it to help with homeworking
Speaker 9: with learning, all the rest of this was going on,
Speaker 9: they didn't monitor it, and so nobody knew that things
Speaker 9: were getting as difficult for him as they were until
Speaker 9: the very end, when it became really clear that he'd
Speaker 9: been suicidal for quite some time and that this chatbot
Speaker 9: was encouraging that, certainly not discouraging it, and certainly not
Speaker 9: shutting down the conversation, but continuing to encourage it. It's
Speaker 9: that's the thing actually offered to write a suicide note
Speaker 9: for him.
Speaker 8: In the.
Speaker 1: One case.
Speaker 2: In the Sewel case, the AI bot asked whether he
Speaker 2: had a plan to take his own life. He said
Speaker 2: he was considering something, but express concern that it might
Speaker 2: not allow him to have a pain free death. And
Speaker 2: the final conversation, the bot asked, please come home to
Speaker 2: me as soon as possible, my love, and he responded,
Speaker 2: what if I told you I could come home right now?
Speaker 2: And the bot replied, please do, my sweet king, And
Speaker 2: a few seconds later he shot himself.
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, I mean, it's just horrifying, isn't it. And
Speaker 9: we have these these teens and these adolescents with these
Speaker 9: very malleable brains. So the second biggest time of brain
Speaker 9: growth in human beings is about ten to fifteen sixteen
Speaker 9: somewhere in there. And it's like, you know, when you
Speaker 9: go through a growth spurt as a kid, and you
Speaker 9: go through growth spurts and suddenly your body is bigger
Speaker 9: and taller than it was before.
Speaker 5: You don't quite know what to do with it. Well,
Speaker 5: that's the.
Speaker 9: Way early adolescence is all of this brain matter is growing,
Speaker 9: all of the gray matter is growing at exponential rates
Speaker 9: and they don't quite know what to do with it yet.
Speaker 5: It isn't refined.
Speaker 9: I haven't figured out how to manage all of that. Yeah,
Speaker 9: and these are incredibly tender times for our human brains.
Speaker 9: And when we have this input and this kind of
Speaker 9: dynamic going on, kids don't have the long term consequence
Speaker 9: thinking to be able to understand this isn't real. This
Speaker 9: actually could be bad. I don't like the way this
Speaker 9: is going. Other people do so if they were talking
Speaker 9: to their friends or their parents or a trusted adults,
Speaker 9: other people would know what to do. But they themselves
Speaker 9: when it's just them in a chat pot that is
Speaker 9: giving them exactly what they're asking for. There are no
Speaker 9: guardgrails and they have no idea what to do with it.
Speaker 2: As the case is in this one, but this is
Speaker 2: probably replicated at a man in a few times. Is
Speaker 2: when you get older too, you also go, that's dumb.
Speaker 2: How can you believe that the older you get, the
Speaker 2: more you forget what it's like to be a fourteen
Speaker 2: year old? In this case, in that we go, well, okay,
Speaker 2: it wants you to come home, but you realize this
Speaker 2: is a computer that's there's no, you're not going to
Speaker 2: be you know, if you believe in it, afterlife, you're
Speaker 2: not going to be reunited with the AI bot. You're
Speaker 2: not that that's it's it's a computer. But that's not
Speaker 2: what's going through a fourteen year OL's brain, right.
Speaker 9: Correct, No, that's not what going through their brain. They're
Speaker 9: they're affiliating with this. You know, if you think back
Speaker 9: to the girls when Elvis first came on the scene
Speaker 9: and the young girls who would just sob when he
Speaker 9: walked out because they were so deeply in love with Elvis.
Speaker 9: They didn't know Elvis, they had no idea who he was,
Speaker 9: but they were teenagers. They found something to hook onto.
Speaker 9: The brain really attached to that, the emotions really got involved.
Speaker 9: It's not dissimilar in that this is something that teenagers
Speaker 9: are prone to do. They're prone to affiliation and attachment.
Speaker 9: They want connection and they find it wherever they can
Speaker 9: get it. And so, of course an adult or somebody
Speaker 9: older would look at that and.
Speaker 5: Say, this is a computer, this isn't real.
Speaker 9: But think of how many people you know or have
Speaker 9: heard of who've gotten caught in cat fishing scams and
Speaker 9: have given hundreds if not thousands of dollars away to
Speaker 9: people they've never met before because they believe they're in
Speaker 9: love with them. So we want connection so desperately in
Speaker 9: a world that is becoming increasingly disconnected.
Speaker 2: It is something else. But again, you've just got to
Speaker 2: beware of this. What the solution is, boy, you got me,
Speaker 2: that's beyond our scope, I think. And other than having
Speaker 2: conversation with someone, now, just don't assume they're doing well
Speaker 2: if they're you know, a young person, especially that everything's okay,
Speaker 2: because it may not be, and they may not even
Speaker 2: want to open up to you.
Speaker 1: That's the other problem.
Speaker 9: Well, our kids are struggling right now. I mean, the
Speaker 9: world is hard for teenagers. And I know that that
Speaker 9: every generation says the world is hard for teenagers, but
Speaker 9: it just keeps getting harder and harder, and our kits
Speaker 9: are struggling. So I mean, if I were a parent
Speaker 9: of a teenager, I would be monitoring their media and
Speaker 9: their computer and their phones like it was my second
Speaker 9: job of because you just never know what's going on
Speaker 9: out there, and it can turn so awful so quickly.
Speaker 1: It really does.
Speaker 2: All right, all the best Julie hattersh here, she's a
Speaker 2: licensed mental health therapist here in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: She can help.
Speaker 2: And if you have a question, maybe common concern or
Speaker 2: topic for a future segment, it's hey Julie at b
Speaker 2: Connected dot care. That's a letter, be Connected dot Care Julie.
Speaker 2: We'll talk next Monday. Thanks again, great to catch up.
Speaker 5: Yes we will, thank you, byebye.
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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW and making sense of this Ohio property
Speaker 2: tax business. Everyone is like okay by private texts are
Speaker 2: going up in some cases thirty some cases two hundred percent.
Speaker 2: The governor has commanded a working group. They've come up
Speaker 2: with some solutions for this, but now we are facing
Speaker 2: some roadblocks. Bill Sites is a coach share and of
Speaker 2: course Green Township Republican. He'll join the show next to
Speaker 2: discuss what this is about, what it means for you
Speaker 2: and your wallet and your your homestead for that matter,
Speaker 2: as we try to get our arms around property taxes
Speaker 2: that are seemingly out of control on the Buckeye State.
Speaker 2: That right after news on one of the best Bengals
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Speaker 4: You want to be an American?
Speaker 2: Scott's loan back on seven hundred WLW. Governor Mike Dewin's
Speaker 2: Property Tax Reform Working Group was tasked with coming up
Speaker 2: with a better system. Let's face it, property taxes in
Speaker 2: Ohio have been a mess for a while now. We've
Speaker 2: seen taxes rise anywhere between what thirty to two hundred
Speaker 2: percent in some areas, and that worries folks, especially seniors
Speaker 2: on fixed incomes, may lose their people are actually worried
Speaker 2: about losing their homes over it. The same time, we
Speaker 2: have to fund schools, police fire ems, all those services.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the day after these proposals got released,
Speaker 2: the Ohio Senate voted to override Mike Dewin on this bill.
Speaker 2: Sites is the code chair of the working group and
Speaker 2: joins the show now on seven hundred WW former Green Township,
Speaker 2: Ohio House Minority Speaker Bill. This was when we talked
Speaker 2: about this, I think a few months ago when you
Speaker 2: were assigned the task of co shairing this working group.
Speaker 2: So this this probably could be one of the most
Speaker 2: difficult things we've ever endeavored to do. You laid out
Speaker 2: twenty ideas. The Ohio Senate voted to override. Explain, first
Speaker 2: of all, bill, what does that mean and the reasoning
Speaker 2: behind it, And is it simply just that you leaned,
Speaker 2: as the working group leaned towards more the House bills
Speaker 2: and the House proposals for the fix than the Senate bills,
Speaker 2: And is that all this is?
Speaker 6: No? No, no, no, not at all.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 6: No. Both the House and the Senate have already passed
Speaker 6: a number of things about the governor beachos, and now
Speaker 6: the House and Senate are considering overriding the governor on
Speaker 6: some of those beachos. The one that was overridden last week.
Speaker 6: Abolished replacement levy, Levy, we're losing.
Speaker 1: We're losing your cell a little bit there, Bill Will
Speaker 1: can you hear me? Yeah? I got you, hear me,
Speaker 1: I got you.
Speaker 6: Okay. They abolished emergency, they have bolished substitute. They abolished
Speaker 6: replacement levees, and and we didn't have too much problem
Speaker 6: with that, because replacement levees confuse voters. Replace it with
Speaker 6: what substitute levees confused voters substitute for what emergency levees
Speaker 6: have been abused. There's emergency levees that have remained in
Speaker 6: effect for over ten years. That's not an emergency. So
Speaker 6: we don't have a problem with that, But we did
Speaker 6: recommend that we redefine emergency levees, allow them to exist
Speaker 6: for no more than five years, limit them to school
Speaker 6: districts that are about to go into fiscal watch or
Speaker 6: fiscal emergency, and Act of God, you know, things like
Speaker 6: floods and tornadoes restricted strictly to that. That's one thing
Speaker 6: we recommended. The The other thing that's the legislature in
Speaker 6: their zeal to override the wine on this for God is.
Speaker 6: There is a law that passed in twenty thirteen. I
Speaker 6: was very involved with it that says that we will
Speaker 6: only pay the twelve and a half percent credit on
Speaker 6: your property tax bill for levees that were passed before
Speaker 6: twenty thirteen and levees that were renewed after that time.
Speaker 6: Of those levees, well, when you abolish these levees, you're
Speaker 6: cutting off the right of the folks to get their
Speaker 6: twelve and a half percent on those levees that predated
Speaker 6: twenty thirteen. And that results in a ninety six million
Speaker 6: dollars state wide tax, which is not what the legislature
Speaker 6: probably intended. So they're going to have to fix that,
Speaker 6: I think down the road. But let me take a
Speaker 6: step back stot because people need to understand something. The
Speaker 6: number one problem here is that real estate values have
Speaker 6: greatly outstripped the general rate of inta. Your wife is
Speaker 6: in real estate. She knows that like the back of
Speaker 6: her hand. And normally that's not much of a problem
Speaker 6: because a nineteen seventy six law says that for most
Speaker 6: voted levees, when a levee passes, in the roll of
Speaker 6: the millage back as values increase, so that the levee
Speaker 6: produces no more money in the current year than it
Speaker 6: did in the year in which it was originally passed.
Speaker 6: That's true for most levees, but there are two kinds
Speaker 6: of property tax levees that don't have that feature. One is,
Speaker 6: in our constitution, each county gets ten mills of unvoted
Speaker 6: millage to divide up among their schools, cities, township, and counties.
Speaker 6: That's unvoted millage, and that does go up as property
Speaker 6: values increased. The levee money goes up and lockstep with
Speaker 6: those valuation increases. That's one one problem. The other problem
Speaker 6: is schools are when they collect fewer than twenty mils
Speaker 6: of taxes for schools, all of those mills under twenty
Speaker 6: mills grow in locksteps with property value increases, and once
Speaker 6: you get over twenty mills, none of the mills grow
Speaker 6: with inflation. So schools have an incentive to try to
Speaker 6: stay below that twenty mils. But and when they do again,
Speaker 6: all of that millage grows with increasing property valuations. We
Speaker 6: in the House and the Senate seem to be on
Speaker 6: pretty much the same page about one good idea to
Speaker 6: deal with that. That is to say, when when property
Speaker 6: values increase at a rate faster than the general rate
Speaker 6: of inflation, the general rate of inflation will serve as
Speaker 6: a cap on the extent to which those higher property
Speaker 6: values may be reflected in your tax bill, so that
Speaker 6: if inflation is five percent and property knights go up
Speaker 6: fifteen percent, they would be captured five per sack. That
Speaker 6: is a bill called House Still one eighty six, and
Speaker 6: we endorsed that in the form in which it existed
Speaker 6: in June. It hasn't passed yet, but just a week
Speaker 6: or two ago they amended it in the House and
Speaker 6: tried to reach back and claw back from the schools
Speaker 6: one point seven billion dollars that the schools had collected
Speaker 6: and spent over the years twenty two, twenty three, twenty four,
Speaker 6: and twenty five, and we haven't taken a position on that,
Speaker 6: but obviously that's posed to the grave degree of problem
Speaker 6: for the schools. I mean, they lawfully collected the money,
Speaker 6: they lawfully spent the money. Why are they being made
Speaker 6: to pay this back to the property owners, even though
Speaker 6: the property owners I'm sure would love it. So that
Speaker 6: is the fundamental problem. Now you had on something.
Speaker 1: Else that's very important.
Speaker 6: Senior citizens in particular are having a hard time because
Speaker 6: their house is paid for, they've got no kids in
Speaker 6: schools anymore, they're on a fixed income, and they're being
Speaker 6: hit with these property tax increases. Well, there's really only
Speaker 6: three things that you can do to help those needy people.
Speaker 6: You can either expand the existing state homestead exemption, which
Speaker 6: allows folks to exempt a part of their valuation from taxes.
Speaker 6: Or you can come up with a tax deferral plan,
Speaker 6: which some states do, which says you can defer payment
Speaker 6: of some of those taxes until you die or until
Speaker 6: you sell the home. Okay, that's the second thing you
Speaker 6: can do to help those needy people. And then the
Speaker 6: third thing you can do is pass something called a
Speaker 6: circuit breaker, which says that when your property tax exceeds
Speaker 6: a specified percentage of your income, you don't have to
Speaker 6: pay any more than gotcha. Okay, Now, thirty states have
Speaker 6: done a circuit breaker, Ohio has not. In our recommendations,
Speaker 6: we recommended a modest expansion of the home set exemption,
Speaker 6: We recommended initiation of a modest hash deferral program, and
Speaker 6: we also threw in a recommendation that when the state
Speaker 6: feels like they can afford it, they should consider a
Speaker 6: broader exemption of the homestead or expansion of the home
Speaker 6: seat exemption, and they should consider adoption of a circuit breaker.
Speaker 6: The state legislature, my friends and colleagues, and the legislature,
Speaker 6: they don't want to spend any state money on solving
Speaker 6: this problem. And their attitude is, Hey, we're paying the
Speaker 6: twelve and a half percent credit on levi's the past
Speaker 6: prior to twenty thirteen and renewals thereof, and we're paying
Speaker 6: for the existing homestead exemption, and we're not getting any
Speaker 6: credits for that from the voters, So why should we
Speaker 6: spend more state money on it?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 6: I understand that point, but again, I'm concerned about those
Speaker 6: senior citizens and you can say, well, let the county
Speaker 6: do it on their dime. Well, the problem is not
Speaker 6: all counties in Ohio have the financial Where would all
Speaker 6: do that? Right, That's why it should be done at
Speaker 6: the state.
Speaker 2: Okay, he is Bill sits on the show at Marceloni
Speaker 2: on seven hundred W. Well, it a very complicated but
Speaker 2: important issue of property tax reform. He is a co
Speaker 2: chair of the working group test by the governor to
Speaker 2: come up with a plan twenty main recommendations here and
Speaker 2: certainly can't get to all twenty and all twenty and
Speaker 2: not all twenty are not out in the weeds. The
Speaker 2: number of these are. And we're talking about the important facets,
Speaker 2: the fact your bottom line. You know you mentioned seniors
Speaker 2: and okay, no seniors, fixed income and people are afraid
Speaker 2: they're going to lose their home that they've raised, their
Speaker 2: family and et cetera. But at the same time, it
Speaker 2: feels like a lot of this comes at the expense
Speaker 2: of young people with kids. We hear about seniors and
Speaker 2: fixed incomes. We never hear about young people going, Hey,
Speaker 2: what about some a couple that has to work two
Speaker 2: jobs or more three or four jobs between the two
Speaker 2: of them, and daycare costs, and you know, we look
Speaker 2: around the count and to wonder why we're not replacing
Speaker 2: old with young. You know, young people are not having
Speaker 2: families and having kids anymore larger because they can't afford them.
Speaker 1: Doesn't this further exacerbate that.
Speaker 2: I understand the need that seniors have, but often in
Speaker 2: politics we don't talk about younger families, which we really
Speaker 2: need to drive the economic engine and also support us
Speaker 2: an old age. If fewer people are having kids, that's
Speaker 2: bad for seniors overall.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, you know, you make a very good point, but
Speaker 6: every time you try to expand the pool of people
Speaker 6: who should be getting a property tax relief, you're dramatically
Speaker 6: increasing the cost. And those younger people do have the
Speaker 6: ability still to work.
Speaker 1: That's a problem with subsidy, right, Okay.
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, obviously, property taxes have been around
Speaker 6: in Ohio since the eighteen thirties. They account for twenty
Speaker 6: three point nine billion dollars a year. All of that
Speaker 6: goes to local government services only the state gets zero
Speaker 6: from proper pretty taxes. And to abolish property taxes as
Speaker 6: there is a move of flip to do to a
Speaker 6: still advised constitutional amendment to abolish them would mean we
Speaker 6: would need a ten point two percent statewide flat income
Speaker 6: tax if we wanted to replace property tax with income tax,
Speaker 6: or a or a statewide sales tax rate of about
Speaker 6: twenty percent, which is neither of those are remotely feasible.
Speaker 6: And so people need to consider before you jump on
Speaker 6: the bandwagon and say I don't want to pay any
Speaker 6: more property taxes.
Speaker 4: Right, well, either.
Speaker 6: You're going to put every local government out of business,
Speaker 6: which is not a good idea. Of your school's out
Speaker 6: of business, or you're going to have to have some
Speaker 6: replacement source of revenue that is probably worse than the
Speaker 6: property tax that you're paying now. I mean, a twenty
Speaker 6: percent statewide sales tax would kill the economy in Hamilton County.
Speaker 6: Everybody would drive over the river to Kentucky to buy.
Speaker 1: Everything, pretty obsolate. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I will also point out that there's other district I know,
Speaker 2: Kings and many others are moving towards just going hey,
Speaker 2: you know what, we're just gonna We're going to propose
Speaker 2: a one percent or whatever the percentage is, let's.
Speaker 1: Say, uh, income tax, uh. And you know that.
Speaker 2: Absolves people who aren't working. Us retirees are close to
Speaker 2: retirement from paying that sharing that burden. So, and you know,
Speaker 2: in lieu of this too, one of the things they're
Speaker 2: looking at is just saying, okay, well, property taxes are
Speaker 2: a mess. Why don't we just get our money from
Speaker 2: income taxes?
Speaker 6: Well, schools, you know, and schools have the ability to
Speaker 6: place before their voters and income tax. That's that's been
Speaker 6: around for a number of years now, and a number
Speaker 6: of school disticts have done it. Perhaps that is a
Speaker 6: somewhat viable for schools, But township they have no ability
Speaker 6: to do income tax. Libraries have no ability to do that.
Speaker 6: The zoo is no ability to do that. Your mental
Speaker 6: health and developmental disability services don't, Your senior citizen services don't.
Speaker 6: So the income tax for schools is a partial solution
Speaker 6: and one that might be looked at because remember, we
Speaker 6: have reduced the state income tax over the last twenty
Speaker 6: five years from north of seven percent down to the
Speaker 6: current level of two point seven five percent. We have
Speaker 6: the lowest state income tax rate of any of our
Speaker 6: sister states here in the Midwest, and so because state
Speaker 6: income taxes have gone down, maybe maybe the voters in
Speaker 6: these school districts might buy it's propitious to have a
Speaker 6: local income tax. Personally, I think income taxes are worse
Speaker 6: than property taxes. But that's just me, okay, you know,
Speaker 6: and we have to consider that it's not a complete
Speaker 6: solution for the reasons I just gave. So many jurisdictions
Speaker 6: dependent on property tax cannot do an income tax. In fact,
Speaker 6: they don't want to. We are doing township no interest
Speaker 6: in doing an income tax. When I was on that
Speaker 6: board for seven years in the nineties.
Speaker 2: Both sites on one file question here on the budget
Speaker 2: commission powers, we talked about the budget Commission come in
Speaker 2: and that they balance committee. They have the authority to
Speaker 2: reduce what are you calling unnecessary or excessive levees with
Speaker 2: respecting voter intent. But these are the local We talk
Speaker 2: about local control all the time. This is the ultra locals.
Speaker 2: The definition of local control is that voters approve these levees,
Speaker 2: specifically because they trusted the taxing entity's assessment of need.
Speaker 2: How do you balance that with what's happening here?
Speaker 6: Well, what we've done, okay. The legislation that the General
Speaker 6: Assembly passed said that the Budget Commission, consisting of the
Speaker 6: County Treasurer, the County Auditor and the county prosecutor can
Speaker 6: reduce the millage of any levee that they find to
Speaker 6: be unnecessary or accessive. They never defined unnecessary, they never
Speaker 6: defined accessive. That means you could have eighty eight different
Speaker 6: standards across the eighty eight different counties. They also said
Speaker 6: they also failed to say that the Commission has to
Speaker 6: keep hands off at least for a period of time
Speaker 6: after that levy is passed by the voters, because to
Speaker 6: do otherwise is basically to flap the voters right in
Speaker 6: the face saying you were too stupid to vote for
Speaker 6: We're going to undo what you just voted for. And
Speaker 6: so what we did on our task force is we
Speaker 6: came up with a good type definition of unnecessary and
Speaker 6: a good type definition of excessive in both cases provided
Speaker 6: by our County Auditors Association statewide, and we said the
Speaker 6: Budget Commission cannot reduce levies for the first five years
Speaker 6: after they initially passed, or for the first two years
Speaker 6: in the case of a renewal. And so there'll be
Speaker 6: that pulling off period, because how wealth are you going
Speaker 6: to know whether it's excessive or unnecessary until it plays out,
Speaker 6: see what I'm saying. So we're trying to Again, this
Speaker 6: is an example scot of where we're trying to refine
Speaker 6: what the legislature has done. We're not trying to say
Speaker 6: forget it, don't do it. We're simply saying there's going
Speaker 6: to be a few bells and whistles, a few guardrails
Speaker 6: around these new and expanded powers of three county wide
Speaker 6: officials to exercise control over school levees and township levees
Speaker 6: and park levees that they have nothing to do with.
Speaker 6: So you know, we're just trying to balance that against
Speaker 6: the will of the voters, is what we're trying.
Speaker 2: Well that that is indeed the billion dollar question, because
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, this is going man. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of moving parts of bill. Sites laid out and eloquently
Speaker 2: of course, as always too, but lots we don't understand.
Speaker 2: And I'm hoping that gets sorted out during a debate
Speaker 2: on both sides of this in the Senate of the House,
Speaker 2: and the Governor's going to have a say in this
Speaker 2: thing too. So what is the timeline before this shakes out?
Speaker 6: Well, I know the House and Senate our team to
Speaker 6: do something definitive before the end of the year. There
Speaker 6: is nothing that can be done that would provide any
Speaker 6: relief prior to the second half twenty twenty six property
Speaker 6: tax bills. That's just a matter of timing. You can't
Speaker 6: do anything. My focus would be how do we fix
Speaker 6: the system going forward rather than trying to recreate history
Speaker 6: by going backwards. And so, you know, I mean, is
Speaker 6: this a problem, yes, and we should fix it going forward,
Speaker 6: And that was what our group recommended. Mostly of our recommendations.
Speaker 6: We had a great group. It was a county auditors,
Speaker 6: it was school superintendents, it was county commissioners, county treasurer.
Speaker 6: You know, we had the mayor, we had a mayor
Speaker 6: in there, a couple of business people in there. So
Speaker 6: it was a good balanced group of people that actually
Speaker 6: are in charge of implementing the whole property tax system.
Speaker 6: And so their expertise really was great and guided us
Speaker 6: very very strongly in the work we did. We met
Speaker 6: every week for two months, every Thursday, for at least
Speaker 6: two hours at a time, and heard from a lot
Speaker 6: of folks that got a lot of written testimony, a
Speaker 6: lot of oral testimony, and at our best way through
Speaker 6: it on that very short timeline that Mike DeWine gave us.
Speaker 6: He gave us till September thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you too, right, and turn that in.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen now is the great debate will
Speaker 2: continue here in pieces of this and we'll get debated
Speaker 2: and I'm sure we'll discuss this in the future too.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's been an interesting few months for you,
Speaker 2: I know, co chairing this group. Anyway, he's built sites
Speaker 2: of Green Township. Thanks again for coming on the show,
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Happy to be with you better.
Speaker 2: I'm working on that. You work on the property text
Speaker 2: how's that?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: There you go?
Speaker 2: Alright, I got a feel in my foot. It's going
Speaker 2: to be better before we figure out property texts. That's
Speaker 2: your damn sure. Anyway, let's get a news update in.
Speaker 2: Did that confuse you? Probably did. It's a lot going
Speaker 2: on there and a lot of millages and uh clawbacks
Speaker 2: and levy structure changes and words like unnecessary and excessive.
Speaker 2: Kind of makes your head swim. But the good news
Speaker 2: is this will get the parceled out in pieces and
Speaker 2: will debate each way, each element of this at some
Speaker 2: point to figure out why property taxes are so screwed
Speaker 2: up and how we can get some sanity back to
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Speaker 1: All right, Homestretch, are slow to here? Seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 3: Headed into the lunch hour of mid afternoon, be chopping
Speaker 3: it up with your boys or perhaps your girls are
Speaker 3: both Regarding yesterday's debacle at pay Court Stadium, Detroit comes
Speaker 3: in thirty seven to twenty four to the final, and
Speaker 3: that score in history will look a lot closer.
Speaker 2: Than it really was. Bengals now on a three game
Speaker 2: heater in the wrong way. They dropped to two and three,
Speaker 2: and they traveled to Green Bay next. It's gonna get you.
Speaker 2: Thought Detroit was bad, You're going to Green Bay? How's
Speaker 2: that gonna work out? He's James Rapine, Sports Illustrated, Bengals
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Speaker 1: It's good to have the band back together. James, How
Speaker 1: you been.
Speaker 8: Better than Jake Browning?
Speaker 7: How have you done?
Speaker 1: Wolf?
Speaker 2: Twenty six of forty two hundred and fifty one yards,
Speaker 2: three touchdowns, three picks for a quarterback rating of are
Speaker 2: you sitting down seventy six point five at the last check?
Speaker 2: That is eight interceptions that might count this season.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's bad. And those numbers don't
Speaker 8: do it justice, it really don't. I mean, he those
Speaker 8: were juiced up numbers that looked really passable outside of
Speaker 8: the interception, and it was kind of the other way.
Speaker 8: It's for the first three quarters of this game. It
Speaker 8: was unwatchable, not passable, not average, unwatchable, and he was
Speaker 8: awful and no one knows it more than him. And
Speaker 8: so I'll give Jake credit there, but that doesn't really matter.
Speaker 8: It's wins lost his performance based and that felt really
Speaker 8: like the pre Joe Burrow Bengals when they were embracing
Speaker 8: the tank for Joe Burrow and that's not where this
Speaker 8: team is supposed to be. So yeah, it was really
Speaker 8: really poor play from Jake Brown.
Speaker 2: And we'll get to that with the defensive play. But
Speaker 2: it's still at halftime. They you know, hit that field goal, well,
Speaker 2: fourteenth three, it's still doable. You look at it going up.
Speaker 8: They're not out of this, sure they weren't. They weren't.
Speaker 8: And then Jake rough it through an interception on the
Speaker 8: second play from scrimmage in the second half. I mean,
Speaker 8: you're right, though, like they a lot of what they
Speaker 8: set out to do. The game kind of played out
Speaker 8: that way. They didn't get gashed on the ground by
Speaker 8: this Lions offense that could really run the ball. They
Speaker 8: gave up some plays, of course, but you're going to
Speaker 8: against the Lions, but it wasn't so bad that you
Speaker 8: couldn't hang with them if you were rolling out a
Speaker 8: competent offense and they just weren't. And I don't think
Speaker 8: it's all on Jake. I think a lot of it is.
Speaker 8: I do think that Zach Taylor's right, there's plenty that
Speaker 8: should fall on him as well. But this offense is
Speaker 8: just costing this team games right now because they're not
Speaker 8: They finally scored in the fourth quarter, so we can't
Speaker 8: say they're not scoring. But my goodness, nineteen drives without
Speaker 8: a touchdown, eleven quarters and sixteen points before that fourth quarter.
Speaker 8: It's just unacceptable.
Speaker 2: Jake Browning said, I didn't play well. I need to
Speaker 2: play better. Is there time for him to play? But
Speaker 2: can he play better? I mean, this seems like this
Speaker 2: is peak Jake Browning.
Speaker 8: They shouldn't he shouldn't get the opportunity to play better
Speaker 8: because they should have added a quarterback a few weeks ago.
Speaker 8: Like night bead everywhere, and people kind of rolled their
Speaker 8: eyes like here we go, James, Like, yeah, of course
Speaker 8: I do, because I knew that this was a possibility.
Speaker 8: You don't know how Jake's gonna play because he was
Speaker 8: good a few years ago, and by good, I say
Speaker 8: that close because he was passed the ball a few
Speaker 8: years ago and he's been downright bad. And you don't
Speaker 8: have another option. You didn't give yourself that that type
Speaker 8: of put yourself in that type of situation. And so now, yeah,
Speaker 8: it is going to be Jake, and he is going
Speaker 8: to start a game screen Bay and I'd be shocked
Speaker 8: if anything else changed in that in that department as
Speaker 8: far as this week. But the Bangles still need to
Speaker 8: give themselves another option just to to provide watchable football
Speaker 8: if nothing else, because yesterday was unwatchable for three quarters.
Speaker 8: And had they gotten just competent quarterback play, well, who knows,
Speaker 8: maybe they give the Lions all they can handle at home.
Speaker 8: Right they're two and three.
Speaker 2: Okay, but you know, hindsight is always twenty twenty. I
Speaker 2: said last week, like I'm not buying, Hey, we'll go
Speaker 2: get Russ Wilson, We'll get Jameis Winston. We'll get kirk
Speaker 2: Cousins and fix this. Last week the defense was equally
Speaker 2: as bad. This past weekend, the defense looked passable. They
Speaker 2: looked a lot better. They're getting some they're getting the
Speaker 2: edge rush going, their pass rush. Their defense overall pretty good. Now,
Speaker 2: maybe that tune has changed somewhat. I think that's fair.
Speaker 2: You look like a savon for saying this, But I
Speaker 2: was going to Okay, So last week you get Russ Wilson,
Speaker 2: let's say, and you give up a lot of draft
Speaker 2: capital for him. Great, So now you'll lose by two
Speaker 2: touchdowns instead of eight. You still lose. Why give that up?
Speaker 2: But if the defense is going to show up to
Speaker 2: the party, maybe that's a winnable game. Maybe you have
Speaker 2: something there. But based on the quarterbacks available, kirk Cousins
Speaker 2: may be the best one there. But who knows what
Speaker 2: they're going to want for him, that's the other question.
Speaker 8: Sure, and so a couple of things. One, the Bengals
Speaker 8: would not trade for kirk Cousins, and it's because of
Speaker 8: his contract. His contract is just brutal. I mean, you
Speaker 8: do ten million dollars on the third day of the
Speaker 8: new league year. Next year, it's just too much money.
Speaker 8: And this isn't me defending the Bengals.
Speaker 1: And how they too much money.
Speaker 8: You go to no team should trade for Kirk contin
Speaker 8: They just shouldn't. Yeah, but Russell Wilson for a six
Speaker 8: sixth Brown picks. The reason why I was saying it
Speaker 8: last week wasn't for a game at home against the
Speaker 8: Lions or even this week against Green Bay, but it
Speaker 8: was for that that division game against Pittsburgh on a
Speaker 8: short week where you do have to win that game.
Speaker 8: Regardless the Green Bay game from the standing stand point matters,
Speaker 8: but it's an NFC opponent. It's not a huge deal
Speaker 8: when it comes to winning and moving. You have to
Speaker 8: be Pittsburgh if you want to hang in it. Yeah,
Speaker 8: And so that's what that would have set you up for.
Speaker 8: And now you have, as we sit here, two games
Speaker 8: in ten days from now, and you're gonna have to
Speaker 8: get that second game, and it's just it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying Jake can't do it. I'm not saying
Speaker 8: that he can't play well, or is that can't coach
Speaker 8: better and put him in a better position, But my goodness,
Speaker 8: does it feel like it. You know it would be
Speaker 8: much better if they had a better option. I'm not
Speaker 8: saying mortgage in the future, by the way, Scott, but
Speaker 8: just give up a little something to give a little
Speaker 8: something so you have another option.
Speaker 7: All right.
Speaker 2: So he played what three games a cup of coffee
Speaker 2: I think, and against the Church. But the in the
Speaker 2: sample size we have, he's souls thrown. I'm looking at
Speaker 2: it right now. Three interceptions the regular season, three tuddies,
Speaker 2: three interceptions. What does he get you that, Jake Browning
Speaker 2: isn't getting you?
Speaker 8: Well, he to me, would gets you, would move the ball.
Speaker 8: I mean, Jake Browning, Well put it like this, Jake Browning.
Speaker 8: In the Bengals they scored a touchdown against the Vikings
Speaker 8: and garbage sean it was to Drew sample and then
Speaker 8: yesterday their touchdowns game in garbage time. All of the
Speaker 8: touchdowns that they've scored so far in the Jake Browning
Speaker 8: era have come when the.
Speaker 7: Game is already over fourth quarter, and.
Speaker 8: In that yeah, I mean it's the Vikings game was
Speaker 8: over in the first half, and the game yesterday was
Speaker 8: over really by that first drive of the second half
Speaker 8: when Browning throes that interception in the lines, go score.
Speaker 8: So I just won I think he's better. He's certainly
Speaker 8: more physically. Get that. I'm not here to tell you,
Speaker 8: Russell Wilson is it's twenty fifteen, Russell Wilson. But I
Speaker 8: think any of these guys that you name from a
Speaker 8: football standpoint, Kirk Cousins, I think Jameis Winston would be someone.
Speaker 8: Russell Wilson. Who knows that Andy Dalton available in Carolina?
Speaker 8: I don't know, Probably not, but I I wouldn't be
Speaker 8: against going down that path there. They just put themselves
Speaker 8: in this corner. And the downside is, had they done
Speaker 8: it a few weeks ago, maybe they get it for.
Speaker 7: A little less.
Speaker 8: Right now, the league knows that they could use a
Speaker 8: quarterback and desperately need one, and so maybe that asking
Speaker 8: price did go up.
Speaker 1: Possibly Let's Go would cost more than a sixth rider.
Speaker 10: I don't know, if you're the Giant, do you want
Speaker 10: to keep Russell Wilson around, or you're okay giving up
Speaker 10: a you know, I mean you're one and four, yeah,
Speaker 10: you know, Jameis Winston and Russell will I think they
Speaker 10: give up one of those guys that they knew they
Speaker 10: could get a sixth round pick or a conditional fifth
Speaker 10: or something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, James repene on that though too. How much of
Speaker 1: this is all?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 2: Jake Browning is terrible, but it's not like the O
Speaker 2: line is going to light it up for Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: all of a sudden either.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 8: No, they're a flaw football team, horrible, and so how
Speaker 8: how can you how can you alleviate some of these flaws?
Speaker 8: Like if there was a guard out there that I
Speaker 8: thought would come in and just be an awesome guard
Speaker 8: or an offensive tackle or center like any of it.
Speaker 8: I just I don't really see it out there, and
Speaker 8: I don't know who could be available, because teams loved
Speaker 8: having offensive line debts for obvious reasons and aren't aren't
Speaker 8: necessarily willing to move them this time of year. No,
Speaker 8: it's it's tough because you're right, it's not just Jake,
Speaker 8: it's not just Zach, and it's not just the offensive line.
Speaker 8: But when you mix all those together, it has been
Speaker 8: really bad.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 8: I think the offensive line was a bit better yesterday.
Speaker 8: There were still still some plays Orlando Brown Junior on
Speaker 8: the police clicker, that play gets blown up, But I
Speaker 8: do think that overall, they gave Jake a chance for
Speaker 8: the better part of last week in Denver and then
Speaker 8: certainly yesterday, and he just made some some really really
Speaker 8: poor decisions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and watching just you know, Chase Orlando broncamp move MEM's.
Speaker 2: Have you got a couple of rookies in there playing
Speaker 2: like rookies, and you know, the run game has been
Speaker 2: a mess simply because you know, Chase Brown is struggling.
Speaker 2: How much is that Chase Brown and how much of
Speaker 2: that has to do with what we're talking about.
Speaker 8: Here, It's an interesting question. I still think that it
Speaker 8: has more to do with the offensive line, slash run
Speaker 8: game and scheme than it does Chase Brown. But I
Speaker 8: did it, I did all the frustration that comes with it.
Speaker 8: I don't think the Bengals went into yesterday thinking they
Speaker 8: were going to run the ball like crazy. Are a
Speaker 8: good friend and former Bengal DJ Readers on the other side,
Speaker 8: and he's really good against the run, and that defensive
Speaker 8: front for the Lions is good. So I think the
Speaker 8: Bengals thought that they would have to throw it early
Speaker 8: and often to win yesterday, and I think that was
Speaker 8: their mindset going into the game. And while they threw it,
Speaker 8: they just threw it too many times to the other team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one thing we don't talk about a lot
Speaker 2: is and we talk about ownership, and we talk about
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin and they're inability to go get guys in
Speaker 2: the off season, just kind of standing Pat, hey, we'll
Speaker 2: let it ride.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't work that way in the NFL.
Speaker 2: You have to continually sharpen that edge otherwise you're going
Speaker 2: to fall behind quickly. As we saw the season. Cost
Speaker 2: is QB one for well, let's call it the entire season.
Speaker 2: This season is not going to be salvaged. No one's
Speaker 2: going to come riding in on their white horse, be
Speaker 2: it Russ Wilson, a miraculous cure for Joe Burrow or whatever,
Speaker 2: Jake Browning all of a sudden figuring out how not
Speaker 2: to throw an interception. How much of this is on
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor. Other organizations I would feel probably at this
Speaker 2: point would have moved on from Zach Taylor. Not here
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati.
Speaker 8: Well, let's use Zach Taylor's words. He to put this
Speaker 8: on me, and I do think a lot of it's
Speaker 8: on him, because hell yeah it is in the first half.
Speaker 8: I'm just going to look in the first half, when
Speaker 8: the game's hanging in the ballance, how many like easy, obvious,
Speaker 8: clear throws did Jake miss? And then how many was
Speaker 8: he given? And I think it's a mixture of both.
Speaker 8: But when you're the offensive play caller and you score
Speaker 8: zero touchdowns in nineteen straight drives, when you score sixteen
Speaker 8: points and eleven quarters of the Jake Browning era arted
Speaker 8: by Zach Taylor's here a big reason why, just to
Speaker 8: maximize the offense. And I've watched other backup quarterbacks have
Speaker 8: far more success than Jake Browning, and that's up to
Speaker 8: Zach Taylor to give him some easy buttons and some
Speaker 8: easy throws and some easy options on a team, and
Speaker 8: then on an offense, it's not like they're thrown to
Speaker 8: you and me like they have real weapons, and so
Speaker 8: you should be able to take advantage of those weapons,
Speaker 8: even with the offensive line, even with Jake Brunning a quarterback.
Speaker 8: And so, yeah, Zach Taylor, I think his seat is
Speaker 8: getting hotter by the day. I don't necessarily think that
Speaker 8: a change would come mid season or anything like that,
Speaker 8: because I don't know if they would ever seem that
Speaker 8: as something that's actually going to help them moving forward.
Speaker 8: But I do think that he's going to have to
Speaker 8: rally this team and win some games here, and they
Speaker 8: can't just go, you know, four and thirteen in him
Speaker 8: expect to be back next year. I don't think that
Speaker 8: that's a realistic expect And that's.
Speaker 2: That, and I will all that on a positive I
Speaker 2: thought Jamar Chase had a pretty good game all aside,
Speaker 2: you know, with six of one hundred and ten yards
Speaker 2: two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I will point out, I believe.
Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, James wasn't he three for
Speaker 2: three on tackles on all three j Jake brown Nicks,
Speaker 2: He's the guy who brought the guy who intercepted it down,
Speaker 2: so he was good on defense too.
Speaker 8: He's they're probably their second best corner behind act In,
Speaker 8: their best receiver, uh In, the best receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, maybe he can coach up Cam Taylor Britt.
Speaker 8: What that's what sucks is that's how great Jamar is.
Speaker 8: And and there are gonna be a lot of people
Speaker 8: that hear this, Scott say will just tank and it's
Speaker 8: like it's hard to look twenty five year old Jamar Chase,
Speaker 8: who's the best on the planet at what he does,
Speaker 8: and say, hey, let's hang. Do you know that's really
Speaker 8: really tough to do because it's only week six.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: He's James Rapine. We'll talk after the Green Bay game.
Speaker 2: You thought Detroit was bad, You're on the road at Lambeau.
Speaker 2: Let's see how that works out. Three game losing streak
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