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Speaker 1: Do you want to be in a Manican.

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Speaker 2: Here we go on this Monday morning, Scott Slow seven

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Speaker 2: hundred WLW in that Sunday was felt like work watching

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Speaker 2: here to recap that a little bit later on in

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Speaker 2: the show. Lots going on, including this. We're blowing up

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Speaker 2: suspected drug boats off foreign countries, off the coast of

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Speaker 2: foreign countries. And we have yet another piece plan in

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Speaker 2: the Middle East, and this one seems like to be

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Speaker 2: the one. This is the one that who knows could

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Speaker 2: get Trump the Nobel Prize? Is this the deal that

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Speaker 2: finally stops the carnage in Palestine and Israel?

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Speaker 3: On?

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Speaker 2: That is a Captain Ed Glryan. He is a US

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Speaker 2: Navy Seal team seven times over, team leader, decorated Special

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Speaker 2: Ops Task Force commander, US Army Ranger, long decorated career,

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Speaker 2: serving this nation in a very rare seal And are

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Speaker 2: you a US Army Ranger marriage which often doesn't happen?

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Speaker 2: Captain Ed, good morning, how are you sir?

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Speaker 4: Good morning? Scott, Good morning the listeners. Well, we'll be

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Speaker 4: a lot better if we get this rain that's coming through.

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Speaker 4: We need a drink down here on the farm.

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Speaker 2: I believe that, no doubt about it. Let me outline

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Speaker 2: what happened over the weekend here if you're just plugging

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Speaker 2: back in this morning. So this happened late in the

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Speaker 2: week with President Trump announcing a peace plan in the

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Speaker 2: shifted to defensive operations in Gaza, stop their airstrikes beyond

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Speaker 2: what those are needed for force protection, I guess. According

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Speaker 2: to the IDF, the Israeli Prime Minister net Yahou confirmed

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Speaker 2: he halted the offensive. Said, Okay, we're gonna engage in

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Speaker 2: the Trump plan here and engage in indirect negotiations between Israel.

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Speaker 2: They're going to sit down I guess Israel Hamas and

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Speaker 2: start talking today in Egypt, and the peace plan would

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Speaker 2: be enacted once all forty eight hostages are returned to

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Speaker 2: then they'll zoom fighting again. So it's still relative tentative,

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Speaker 2: and we've heard this before. We're so close to peace

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Speaker 2: we've got peace, and then peace erodes rather abruptly. What

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Speaker 2: should we expect from what's happening right now?

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Speaker 4: Ed? Well, a good wrap upon that. Ever elusive is

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Speaker 4: the piece with them off. But something we have to

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Speaker 4: remember as we watched this from the distance is they

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Speaker 4: are not a nation state. They're a terrorist group with

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Speaker 4: an armed faction. So they have a political element that's

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Speaker 4: the fighters that are on the ground and Gaza accordingly,

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Speaker 4: that could be the long pole in the tent. But

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Speaker 4: regardless of that, great credit has got to be given

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Speaker 4: to the administration because this is like a mensa game

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Speaker 4: underwater at night. It is difficult to get all this

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Speaker 4: lined up. Could I talk about sort of where we're at? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the final piece is these final few hostages. Now, remember

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Speaker 4: there was what back in February, three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 4: President's twenty point Godza peace proposal, there is the final

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Speaker 4: other piece we have to remember here, Scott. Our adversaries

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Speaker 4: watched the calendar. You know what tomorrow is. It's the

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Speaker 4: second anniversary of the Hamas attacks. Basically a slaughter. Over

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Speaker 2: And how does how do you disarm Hamas? How do

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Speaker 1: That's not happening here. How do you determine that?

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Speaker 4: Well, you hit the nail on the head. And that's

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Speaker 4: why I started out. They're not a nation state, and

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Speaker 4: World War two. You're gonna have to go through and

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Speaker 4: do a complete search. They're gonna have to agree to

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Speaker 4: very difficult because it pass this prologue. They have never

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Speaker 4: put those arms down. And when you add the fact

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Speaker 2: And this is all predicated on new leadership. This technocratic

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Speaker 2: Always does. And even when there's peace, aren't we going

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Speaker 4: Dictates, very likely, Scott, You're you're exactly right, they will

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Speaker 4: do this was probably ill advised. I'm no politician, I'm

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Speaker 4: the record, however, as a strategician, I would have advised

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Speaker 4: those leaders do not recognize them without conditions. We gave

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Speaker 4: they were right on. Other nations gave that key bargain

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Speaker 4: leverage Scott to your point that they'll just go to

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Speaker 1: In this yeah, you would think that's the case. Now.

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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting too that a number of Middle

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Speaker 2: peace plan. Where's Iran on this, because they're the primary

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Speaker 4: You better believe behind the scenes, they're going to do

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Speaker 4: everything may can to your point, to continue to arm Hamas,

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Speaker 4: And they're popping the champagne bottles when some of those

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Speaker 2: But then we just you mentioned the two state solution,

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Speaker 2: probably combined. Right, is it okay, we've got to recognize

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Speaker 2: Palestinian statehood. There's a lot of backlash to that. But

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Speaker 1: Does some agree?

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Speaker 1: Sounds like it's going to be a Palestinian country. So

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you this, and this is just strategic genius

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Speaker 4: how we lost World War One. We did not rebuild Germany, right,

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Speaker 4: it's just strategic genius. So certainly the administration has that

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Speaker 2: And I think that you know, there's okay, tremendous pressure

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Speaker 2: At the same time, I just saw this poll over

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Speaker 1: Or am I wrong?

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Speaker 4: No, you're exactly right, and that they and again that

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Speaker 4: you is exactly what you just articulated to win win

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Speaker 4: the fight of public opinion, to include with not misinformation disinformation.

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Speaker 4: So with respect to that, you know, things are not

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Speaker 4: is just the brutality of the entire matter, you know,

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Speaker 4: years ago, no.

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Speaker 2: Question, he is retired US Navy Seal Captain ed galleryan

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Speaker 2: of course, fifth generation farmer in Kentucky. He was a

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Speaker 2: US Navy Seal team with them seven different teams for

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Speaker 2: that matter, Decorated Special Ops Task Force Commander, US Army

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Speaker 2: Ranger War college, and we're talking about what's going on

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Speaker 2: in the thele least right now and how close we

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Speaker 2: are to peace. What's your gut say about? This is

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Speaker 2: just another, just another than the ever evolving ed situations

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Speaker 2: there between. We we think we have peace this time,

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Speaker 2: do this all over again, wash with How much more

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Speaker 2: confident are you in this approach than you were in

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Speaker 1: Is it all the same.

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Speaker 2: That's what and that's what needs to be highlighted on

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Speaker 1: John. I get the end.

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Speaker 2: I respect the constitutional argument for it, but what's the

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Speaker 2: He's Captain Ed Golran, US Navy Seals and Army ranger

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Speaker 2: get a time out of I always appreciate the insights, sir, God.

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Speaker 4: Blessed, Thank you, thank you, Yes, sir, good day.

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Speaker 2: Before the rain hits. Get her done, Get her done.

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Speaker 2: to take the government's word. Well, at some point you

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00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 2: have to take the government sword for it. We've been

435
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 2: lied to in the past, there's no doubt about it.

436
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean that there's not intent there to

437
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 2: try and change this dynamic. It's really made an interesting

438
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 2: constitutional debate, that's for sure. I don't know why I

439
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: watched the Bengals games. I don't know, because you kind

440
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: of know what's going to happen. Is it like a

441
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 2: car wreck at this point? Do you hope against all

442
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: hope things are going to be different? It wasn't I know,

443
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,719
Speaker 2: the score. It's one of those games in the classic

444
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: goes well, the score wasn't as close. It was real

445
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: law as that's so true in this game. What thirty

446
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: seven to twenty four? The Bendo's lost three straight now

447
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: at the hand of Jake Browning and not really how

448
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 2: much of this is Jake brown and the quarterback And

449
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 2: let's they said three touchdowns three interceptions in the street.

450
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 2: Touchdowns didn't come until the fourth quarter when it was over. Yeah,

451
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think anyone outside of maybe that

452
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: locker room, and I'm gonna guess that if you were

453
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 2: to survey the conscience of your typical Bengals player that

454
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 2: they don't have any confidence in Jake Browning either. I

455
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 2: don't know how much Jake Browning hits confidence in Jake

456
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: Browning at this point, and he's saying that he just

457
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: needs to play better. Well, you know, I would. There's

458
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: a lot of things I'd like to be. I just

459
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 2: don't wake up when they go, Okay, I I am,

460
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: I'm taller, I'm better looking. I weigh you know, fifteen

461
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: pounds less. I can you go on and on?

462
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 6: Right?

463
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 2: All of us do that? You know, wishing and wanting

464
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 2: isn't reality. I think this is the best you're going

465
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 2: to get out of Jake Browning. And I wonder how

466
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: many Bengals fans after this loss. I've completely written the scene.

467
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: I would suggest many, simply because yesterday was supposed to

468
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: be a stripe the Jungle game at pay Corps, which

469
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 2: basically means, and it's kind of cool concetantly see in

470
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: the past where you know, one section is orange, the

471
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 2: next section is black, the section's orange, the section is black,

472
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: and it looks like you know, the pay course game

473
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 2: and stripe, provided you do a couple of things. One

474
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 2: of them is fill the stadium. The other two is

475
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 2: win games so that you can guarantee that that is

476
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Speaker 2: a home crowd.

477
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Speaker 7: There.

478
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 2: The problem was, and a lot of those tickets were

479
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 2: sold ahead of time. A lot of those people sold

480
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 2: those tickets on the secondary market to Lions fans. So

481
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: it was kind of a weird sea of black and orange,

482
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: but a hell of a lot of Hawaiian blue and white. Yeah,

483
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: it didn't. It would look more like a spotted jungle Martin.

484
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: Looked like an FC game with the orange, the orange

485
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Speaker 2: and blue.

486
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 8: Uh.

487
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: And that was a mess yesterday.

488
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: And uh, I know that the coach Taylor and company

489
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: is gonna tell you, well, you know, we're gonna work

490
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 2: on some stuff. We gotta tune some stuff up, we

491
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: gotta get some stuff done. I don't know if you

492
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 2: going to go to Green Bay and roll a Green

493
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: Bay Packer team with what they have up there at

494
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: lambeau Field. I don't see that. I think I gotta

495
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 2: have four straight losses. But that's why they played the

496
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: game yesterday. Was upset Sunday in the NFL. So all right,

497
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: we invested enough time in the Bengals. Later on the show,

498
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: James or peenill be here to chop that up as

499
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 2: heading the lunch hour final developments or injuries and stuff

500
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: like that.

501
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'll tell you had a good weekend.

502
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 2: You may go, wow, we got all this bad news, Sloani,

503
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: the Bengals are terrible, the Reds are out of it.

504
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: Is there any good news? I'll tell you had a

505
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Speaker 1: great weekend.

506
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift The Life of a Showgirl two point seven

507
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: million copies on opening day.

508
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: One point.

509
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 2: How about this one, if you're old, one point two

510
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 2: million vinyl albums in the first week. She did over

511
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: a million vinyl albums, which you look at that is

512
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: a it's a it's a it's a modern record. You know,

513
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 2: vinyl hasn't been relevant. And since vinyl was vinyl, what

514
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: back before compact this came along and now everything's digital

515
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: and digital downloads of course. So yeah, forty and by

516
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 2: the way, the album launch release, the film of the

517
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: album launch release forty six million at the box office.

518
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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift had an incredibly good weekend. Good for Taylor Swift.

519
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: I know people were up at eleven fifty nine fifty

520
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 2: nine to get on and download the copy of her

521
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 2: of Life of a showgirl. I think it's what like

522
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: forty two minutes. At some point I'll hear some of

523
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: the songs. I don't think I'm glad I appreciate her music.

524
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: I appreciate she does, and it's one of those dealser.

525
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 2: I don't know the albums and I don't know the

526
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: song names, but I know a few of the songs.

527
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: And go, yeah, it's good product.

528
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 2: She definitely she hits a niche in the show, as

529
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: we saw when she came to Cincinnati, even if you're

530
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: not a swifty, I don't think you have to be

531
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: a swifty to appreciate her music and what she does.

532
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 2: Even though you know, we kind of get tired of

533
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 2: seeing her every time at Kansas City Chiefs game is on,

534
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: and the way the Chiefs have been playing, there's less

535
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: like the hood in seeing that again. Nonetheless, she certainly,

536
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 2: you know, when she came here, I was incredible to

537
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: see the what it was. I think, why there's two

538
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: night show, and then I think two days before so

539
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: on like a Tuesday or Wednesday, her merch bus came

540
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: in and there's a line across the suspension bridge where

541
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: people backed up to get a turn to buy eighty

542
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 2: dollars t shirts, which is amazing. I mean, that's that's

543
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: that's incredible. There's the power of it, and the vibe

544
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 2: I guess is positive and stuff. So not a Swifty

545
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 2: by firing and certainly no maybe a few of her songs,

546
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: but not gonna rush out.

547
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 7: I don't know.

548
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: I do know people getting up at midnight to download

549
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: so they could listen to Taylor. I'm like, you know,

550
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: it's not a live show. It'll still it's seven, eight, nine,

551
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: ten o'clock in the morning, even it'll still be new

552
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: to your ears. But hey, you know what, we get

553
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 2: excited for football. I get excited for football. Some people

554
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 2: get scored for Taylor Swift. It's all good. Speaking of

555
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: the NFL, real quick, this is the most bizarre story

556
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: of the weekend.

557
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard about this.

558
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: Remember Mark Sanchez kind of like the joke of the

559
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 2: NFL when you've had about out with the He was

560
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: quarterback in the Saint No the Saints the Jets at

561
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: the time. He's an NFL analyst now and he was

562
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: in Indianapolis for the game there and he is now

563
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: under arrest. He got pepper sprayed after being stabbed multiple

564
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: times during a late night altercation with a sixteen annual

565
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: truck driver. And I guess the story goes Sanchez was

566
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: there's a box truck driver backed up to the hotel

567
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: loading dock to unload stuff at late at night, I guess,

568
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: And so for some reason Sanchez, who I'm told is

569
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: like a great guy, the truck driver felt threatened and

570
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: pulled out pepper spray, and when that didn't work, and

571
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: Sanchez came after him, the driver saw a look at

572
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: his eyes and said, I think he's going to kill me.

573
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: So he pulled out his knife and stabbed the dude.

574
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: Stabbed Sanchez two or three times as the truck driver

575
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: is thrown against a dumpster and out of the ground.

576
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: Apparently there is a video of this because it was

577
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: at a hotel in the loading dock, which most as

578
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: surely is gonna have a camera. Sanchez suffered multiple stab

579
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: roounds to his white Torso he's in the hospital where

580
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: he was arrested on Saturday, and he said, I don't

581
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: remember much except for grabbing for a window, and I

582
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: don't know who stabbed me and what happened, and so

583
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: was he really really hammered? Was he on something or

584
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: is you know, is it gonna get back in one

585
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: of those CTE things. It was the most the weird,

586
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: most bizarre story of the weekend. Like you know, like

587
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: Mark's a former NFL quarterback Mark Sanchez who is a

588
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: broadcaster now for CBS under arrest for assaulting a truck

589
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: driver in a late night melle a night or two before.

590
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: That is just weird.

591
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: I wont to hear the normally you do these games,

592
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: before you do these games, and you go, okay, I

593
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: got a per diem. I got you know, I could

594
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: go out and run the streets a little bit, but

595
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: I still have a job to do, you know, the

596
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: next day or whatever. And I not that guy. He

597
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: was all in on it all in all in What

598
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: else is going on? Remember when the egg crisis was

599
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: going off for I was a hot minute and no

600
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: one could get eggs in the price of a dozen

601
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: eggs for like thirty five And we had a big

602
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: egg crisis, and then that went away because there was

603
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: a chicken disease and beef prices are the new egg.

604
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: So beef price is at a record high because we

605
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: have a couple of things going on. We have a

606
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: drought that left the cattle inventory at the lowest level

607
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: since nineteen fifty one. And this is resulting in pricing

608
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: increases for steak and ground beef. And of course we

609
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: also have our friend inflation. We'll may get of this

610
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: more tomorrow morning because on Tuesdays eleven thirty five, Andy

611
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: Schaeffer from all Worth jumps in, I'm gonna asking about

612
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: beef prices, and the BLS comes up with the Consumer

613
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: Price Index. It showed a surgeon beef prices over last year.

614
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: Ground beef prices by the way, up thirteen percent year

615
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: over year. SAM for roasts and steak. Steak was sixteen

616
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: and a half percent higher. So if you're going to

617
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 2: Rubies or Tony's or wherever you go for your steaks,

618
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: you are going to pay a significant amount more. And

619
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: if you go occasionally to a finer steakhouse, as I

620
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: enjoy from time to time, everything went the limits and

621
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: budget limits at that. No, it's not long ago that

622
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: they move from you know, having the price on the

623
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: menu to market price now on like ribot. It's that expensive.

624
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: They don't know what the price is going to wind

625
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: up being. So we had a drought that happened if

626
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: a few years ago and they lost all their grass

627
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: out in Kansas in the southeast and Oklahoma, Texas, et cetera.

628
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: And when that happens, you got a liquid eight cows.

629
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: And now we have fewer CAUs, lowest cow inventory since

630
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty one. So be nice to cows, even more

631
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: ammunition for our friends at Chick fil a. There you go,

632
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: there you go. Also, finally, today the Supreme Court is

633
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: going to get back in session. And I always find

634
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: that stuff interesting to the elements of law and what

635
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 2: the courts can hear in this case they are they

636
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: agreed yesterday to decide whether they're going to hear this

637
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: whether states can borrow people from carrying guns on private

638
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: property that'd be stored to be hotels without the property

639
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: Doinger's explicit permission, and this has the case. This is

640
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: out of Hawaii, by the way, one of five Democratic

641
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: led states that enacted restrictions on concealed carry. So yeah,

642
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: I look at this, and I you went, Okay, that's

643
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: a why that's a liberal state. We're deep read, We're Ohio,

644
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: we're Kentucky, we're Indy, and we don't have to worry

645
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: about this kind of do. And I'll back it up

646
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: a little bit to a more current event. Can Kobra'll

647
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: be here with a sensey fop on our probation violation

648
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: problems and that has to do with young people getting

649
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: weapons under disability meaning you're not allowed to have them

650
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: because you're either underage or you at a prior felony conviction,

651
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: or maybe a combination of both, and how things are

652
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: screwed up there. But you know, that's a great question,

653
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: is all right, how are younger people? How are people

654
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: getting their guns? You know, we had these straw purchasers

655
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: thing where someone would go in illegally, of course, go

656
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: to a gun store or a supply or buy a

657
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: whole bunch of guns and then turn around and sell

658
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: them to the people who they know should not have guns.

659
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: That's called a straw purchase, meaning you're buying it for

660
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: someone else and you're buying a bunch of them and

661
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 2: making sure the criminal element has guns. Still goes on.

662
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: But one of the big things we sear locally, we

663
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: hear a lot from police officers is the number of

664
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Speaker 2: people in Cincinnati who will bring a gun, exercise their

665
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: Second Amendment rights and then realize Hey, I can't take

666
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 2: this in this establishment because they're signed up that says

667
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: gun for his own, so I must leave it my vehicle.

668
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 2: And they leave the gun in the vehicle, and what

669
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: what's happening is someone breaks into said vehicle steals the gun.

670
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Speaker 1: And that is happening.

671
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: And people are leaving guns and cars so often now

672
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: that it has become the de facto way that younger people,

673
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: street criminals and the like are getting weapons. They're simply

674
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: breaking the cars and Stealingules's why I have the high

675
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: level break ins. I think while the number of shootings

676
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: in downtown Cincinnati and OTR and like have gone down,

677
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: the number of property crimes, specifically car break ins and

678
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: the like have gone up almost fifty percent. Because that's

679
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 2: what they're doing, is they're looking for this stuff. So

680
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court is going to hear this case and

681
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: involves bringing those guys bringing your gun onto private property,

682
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: which to me, for a long time has been you know,

683
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: I never understood that, like I legally could open carry

684
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: when we had opened the open carry concealed carry laws

685
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: in Ohio. Okay, if I had a gun on me

686
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: and I displayed it and hand it on my waistband

687
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: and you can see it. I can take that, you know,

688
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: to stores wherever.

689
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: But if I.

690
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: Concealed carry, meaning you can't see it, only I know

691
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 2: it's there, somehow, that's illegal. That's seems the most asked

692
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: backward with me is you know a couple of things.

693
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: I get that, lawfully, you could open carry. I disagree

694
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: with that as a gun owner myself. And second memic guy,

695
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: is that what you're doing is you're just scaring people.

696
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: You know, you're going I have a consols right. You

697
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: do have a consul right to carry that gun. I

698
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: get that, But the idea is you're a so pro

699
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: gun that you're going to show the world I have

700
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: a weapon on me. There are people carrying you know,

701
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: long guns, and what does that do? So you get

702
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: people who are scared of guns, which you have a

703
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: right to be scared, and justlike guns, I get that.

704
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: All you do is now now you get them all

705
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: worked up in the froth. And if you're doing it

706
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 2: for a reaction, okay, if you're just doing that toatrol,

707
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: all right, but that's not really helping the clause. You're

708
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 2: just making more people want to create laws to protect

709
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 2: what it is you're doing or against what you're doing.

710
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: You know, in this case, I never understood if I'm

711
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 2: carrying concealed then I walk into plat theater, for example,

712
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: I walk in a theater with a gun, that's illegal.

713
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: I can't do that because they've got to sign up.

714
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: And I'm like, how would they know that I have

715
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: a gun on me if I'm responsible and I'm carrying

716
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: it and I'm not leaving them the seat and it's

717
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: not falling out of my pocket or something, or I

718
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: left it, you know, on top of a toilet tank

719
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 2: in the theater. That's none of your business what I

720
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: have on my person. You know, we don't have We

721
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: don't treat people with drug paraphernalia the same. You know,

722
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure that you may be carrying some sort of

723
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: contraband on you. It's not like, you know, if it

724
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: falls out if you're doing a transaction. Different story. But

725
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: then I don't understand how that affects them at all,

726
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: Seemingly here, if I decide I want to walk in

727
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: a place that says we're probably anti gun, and I

728
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: have a concealed weapon on me carrying, and it could

729
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: be an ankle holster, it could be in my waistband,

730
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 2: could be a I don't know, I got a suit

731
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: jacket on and got a shoulder holster or something like

732
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: how would you know? You wouldn't as long as I'm

733
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: extremely careful jacket on or something like that. To me,

734
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: it just seemed like the most overreaching law ever. And

735
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: I'm glad the Supreme Court's finally going to hear about this,

736
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: or at least maybe to side. And we probably have

737
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 2: an idea, although you can't always guarantee what they're gonna do,

738
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: how the Court's gonna side with this thing, and that

739
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: would to me restore some sanity in this whole thing. Anyway,

740
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: let me get a time out in. We've got to

741
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: get a news update and find out what's going on NW.

742
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: Do we finally having some wet weather moving in, maybe

743
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: a chance with a sprinkle I think this morning, a

744
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: sprinkle this morning, but mainly tomorrow full forecast in the

745
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: way traffic. Chuck will get you updated there in the

746
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: Legs and news. And then Ken Kober here from the

747
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: FOP running return about the probation violation problem. We have

748
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,720
Speaker 2: another issue that's developed over the last couple of days.

749
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: If you don't know now you will. We'll get into

750
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: that with him right after news on the Home of

751
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: the Best Bengals coverage seven hundred WLWD Cincinnati. Real issues

752
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: in the streets of Cincinnati. So from even before, well

753
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: before our attention was called to the murder of Patrick Herringer, Uh,

754
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: we had a problem in our city. And we've now

755
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: established this as a trend and it doesn't seem to

756
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: reverse anytime soon. And this has to do with the

757
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 2: juvenile justice in the streets in the city of Cincinnati

758
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 2: and the streets of Cincinnati, and what we can do

759
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: to prevent people who shouldn't be out from gaining access

760
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: to guns and committing even more atrocities while they're being

761
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: protected by law, or they should be on at least

762
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: community controls. The case will be. I know it is

763
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: a tired and exhausting story, but it feels like, on

764
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 2: a relatively regular basis, we have another story that comes out.

765
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,959
Speaker 2: It illustrates the absurdity and the problems with juvenile justice,

766
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: in particular in the city of Cincinnati. He has Ken

767
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: Kober with the Cincinnati FOP, joining the show once again

768
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: this morning on seven hundred w DOW. Good morning, Ken,

769
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: how are.

770
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 7: You Hey, good morning Scott, thanks for having doing well.

771
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

772
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: Brian COLEMs had the story on Friday. He broke this

773
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: about eighteen year old Devon Marcus and Marcus was on

774
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: probation when he murdered sixteen year old TJ. Bell near

775
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 2: Grant Parking over the Rhine. That was about mid September,

776
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: So a cup just a couple of weeks ago, two

777
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: three weeks ago, this past weekend, TJ's family and tell

778
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: the vigil. Now, keep in mind a fourteen year old

779
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: girl was also shot. She wasn't killed as TJ was,

780
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: but one of his runs when the TJ's frinds was

781
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: shot last week along with a twelve year old. And

782
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: so at this vigil that was a topic conversation. Not

783
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: only was TJ Bell, you know, honoring his memory, but

784
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: also had to deal with the fact one of his

785
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: friends was shot along with a twelve year old. And

786
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: you know, we've seen this story happen repeatedly, and not

787
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 2: just teens. We had the thirty year old of Krishana

788
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: Winn who was shot and killed on Republic Streets seeming

789
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: the mind run a business mother of five and she

790
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: got caught in the crossfire. You know, it's one thing

791
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 2: to point out, Hey, Patrick Hearinger, we're gonna get serious

792
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: about this. But we've had in since the murder of

793
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: Pat Herringer, we've had judge after judge after judge repeat

794
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: those sins that have caused even more death destruction than

795
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: ayem in the streets in Cincinnati. It doesn't seem like

796
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 2: they've got the message.

797
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 7: Kit No, no, you're you're absolutely right. And you know,

798
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 7: until we get some judges that are going to be

799
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 7: tough on crime and lock people up and get back

800
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 7: to being pro on order, pro public safety, unfortunately, things

801
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 7: like this are going.

802
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: To continue to happen. All right, Well, let's talk about that.

803
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: In the case of Markham. Here, I'm looking at the narrative. Here,

804
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: I'm looking at actually the order from the judge in

805
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 2: this case that when he was this is going with

806
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: community control starting in July eighth for two years, he said,

807
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: during my probation period, I will conduct and this is

808
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: the Markham guy, I will conduct myself properly, addressed appropriately

809
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: when reporting an answer accurate all questions asked by probation personnel.

810
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: I'll make every reasonable effort during my probationary appear to

811
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: maintain a job or participate in education of vocational training.

812
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: I shall report to my probation office such a time

813
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: and place as often as the Adult Probation Department of

814
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: the Court may require. Failure to do so could be

815
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: a basis of revocation or probation. I understand the special

816
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: conditions ordered by the court will be enforced by the

817
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: probation department treatment if eligible. And he agreed to this.

818
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 2: The court agreed that the probation officers and the judge

819
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 2: signed off on this whole thing because he was convicted

820
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: of carying keel and sealed weapon. That's a fourth degree felony,

821
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 2: and he shouldn't have been having one at that time.

822
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 2: And yet the men and he agreed to all the stuff.

823
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: He knew that he wasn't going to bude by any

824
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: of this, and then just a few weeks later he

825
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: winds up murdering someone. How common is that in Cincinnati?

826
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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, it's all are too common that this occurs. I mean,

827
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 7: it's just assumed that if you get arrested and you

828
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 7: get convicted of carrying a concealed weapon, you get convicted

829
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 7: of weapons under disability, which means that you weren't even

830
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 7: eligible to carry a gun anyway, These people are getting probation,

831
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 7: and then you wonder why they turn around while they're

832
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 7: in probation they end up killing somebody. It's like, these

833
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 7: things are just the court system has got to take

834
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 7: somebody who gets convicted of carrying a concealed weapon or

835
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 7: weapons under disability.

836
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Speaker 1: They need to go to prison. They just have to.

837
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 7: That's the only way that they're going to be able

838
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 7: to make a dent in the shootings.

839
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Chiefs Association of Hamlin County, why did they

840
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 2: have a round table and get judges and all the

841
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: stakeholders involved, law enforcement people like yourself, Ken Kober. Judges said, well,

842
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 2: we can't do that. That violate our jujitial ethics or

843
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: something like that, which but in the past they've had

844
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: roundtables for you know, getting the vote out and things

845
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 2: like that, and so I guess it's the selective audiences

846
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: which you want. I could understand if this had pre

847
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: dated the murder of Patrick Herringer, But that felt like

848
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: a turning point for our city. That was a watershed

849
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: moment in that people finally said, hey, listen, we've got

850
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,959
Speaker 2: to get tougher on juveniles. We've got to get tougher

851
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 2: on people who violate the terms of their probation. And

852
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: yet at the same time, these judges continue to repeat

853
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: that same behavior over and over again. Has anyone you

854
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 2: know in your officer, yourself, or have you talked to

855
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 2: someone and said, well, where's it? Where's the judges coming

856
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: from us? I would love to talk to a judge,

857
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: maybe even off the record, why are you guys doing this?

858
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 2: And seemingly you can't find an answer. That's problematic?

859
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 7: Oh absolutely, I mean, we certainly know the judges at

860
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 7: the courthouse that are that are pro public safety, prolong

861
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 7: and order, and then you have judges that want to

862
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 7: follow this nonsense bail reform. They want to be soft

863
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 7: on crime, and unfortunately, it's about fifty to fifty right

864
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 7: now in the courthouse. There's a fifty percent chance if

865
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 7: you go in front of the judge that they're going

866
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 7: to lock somebody up. And unfortunately, the other part of

867
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 7: that fifty percent is the ones that they don't care

868
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 7: they're going to put you on probation, they are going

869
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 7: to refuse to send you to prison for certain crimes.

870
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 7: And that's that's been the problem. That's what people have

871
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 7: to realize that's the cops are. The cops are arresting people,

872
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 7: the prosecutor's office are prosecuting people, and then we have

873
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 7: judges that just let them out put them on probation,

874
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 7: and then we sit here and wonder why these things

875
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 7: are still happening.

876
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess the number of shootings are

877
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 2: down according to the statistics. But the problem is is,

878
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: you know, Ken Cobert, the FOP, these are kids, and

879
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: that means it's their high profile. They're all high profile,

880
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: and the victims are seemingly innocent bystanders. That's the thing

881
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: you can look at. The metrics is a to have

882
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: pureval who wants people's votes coming up in just a

883
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: couple of weeks, wants them to believe that the shooting

884
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 2: numbers are down. But the problem, of course is, look,

885
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: Luca's getting jammed up. I don't know if there's anything

886
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: on TJ and what the beef was between the von

887
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: Markham and TJ Bell, but from everyone who've talked to

888
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: so far, it seems like he was just in the

889
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 2: wrong place, wrong time, as was Krishan. To win these

890
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: are this is just the nature of innocent people getting

891
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: jammed up in this stuff. I think that's what puts

892
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 2: these crimes over the top.

893
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 7: Sure, And just this past week, the same place where

894
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 7: that murder happened, right there at Grant Park, there's a

895
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 7: fourteen and the sixteen year old that was shot, and

896
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 7: yet another drive by shooting in the exact same area.

897
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: Are these people you know?

898
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: I know you can't tip your hand and what you know, ken,

899
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: but are these known to the shooters? Are they aiming

900
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: for someone else? We know that was the case with

901
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: Krishan to Win, won't know with these other ones.

902
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 7: Well, that's what hasn't been quite determined yet as to

903
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 7: whether or not. I mean, they believe that there's a

904
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 7: specific reason why shootings are happening in this location, but

905
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 7: whether the victims were actually targeted or not targeted is

906
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 7: what they're still trying to figure out, which is why

907
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 7: we need people to be calling crime stoppers. You have

908
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 7: to give us tips. That way we can solve these crimes. Yeah.

909
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it still doesn't make it right.

910
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: But the idea that somehow, well you know, the crime

911
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: not ooting numbers are down, Yeah, but when you have

912
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: kids out there, and I would consider someone who's sixteen

913
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: years older kid, twelve year old, fourteen year old victims,

914
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: that that's an atrocity that should not be happening, and

915
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: it is, and it's also entirely preventable because these are

916
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: people who are ready in the costody of the Juvenile

917
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: Justice Department, who were released and their own recognizance essentially

918
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: saying hey, you know what, just report to your probation officer,

919
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: get a job. Well, you know, I think that's the

920
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: other element of this ken And we know that council's

921
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: approved recently another four and a half million dollars in

922
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: funding for police.

923
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: Is there money there?

924
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: And can you talk about to some degree what the

925
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: funding is for the probation department and making sure that

926
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: when someone violates that we've got to get them sooner

927
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: rather than later.

928
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: How does that change?

929
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 7: Well, we saw what they just did with probation, especially

930
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 7: with the adult probation. We got rid of all the

931
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 7: substations out in neighborhoods. You know, now's you're just going

932
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 7: to have to report here. You know my opinion, those

933
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 7: are things that are handcuffing the police. They're handcuffing probation officers.

934
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 7: It's kind of just a slap in the face to

935
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 7: the whole idea of probation. And I do know that

936
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 7: there are some judges that I've spoken with that are

937
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 7: absolutely furious. They're like, the question, how do I put

938
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 7: somebody on probation if we know that it's likely they're

939
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 7: not going to be held accountable.

940
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one thing, it's one thing for the judge. Okay,

941
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: here's the order, here's the thing. And you assume the

942
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: probation Department's going to follo up, and I know that

943
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: they're overworked and underpaid. That is the cry of probation

944
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: officers all over. It's a hard jove. It really is

945
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: a hard job. But when you don't have the resources

946
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: to be able to do your job, it just emboldens

947
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: criminals even more. They know they can lie and get

948
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: away with it. I often talk about someone who cuts

949
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: their monitoring device off, an ankle monitor. It seems to

950
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 2: me and I always thought that this is the case,

951
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: but it's not that Literally, shouldn't there be alarm bells

952
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 2: going off someone cut their ankle monitor off. We're going

953
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 2: to put a bolo out to you guys. You men

954
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: and women in the thin blue line can go pick

955
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: them up immediately because it means they're probably going to

956
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: do something that's bad, but instead it's more like, well, well,

957
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: I guess if we running them on the street or something,

958
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: we'll pick them up maybe, but probably not.

959
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 7: That's got to change, Yeah, I mean, I mean, they're

960
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 7: certainly not cutting off an ANQULEI monitor because they want

961
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 7: to work over time at their job or because they're

962
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 7: going to church. They're doing it because they don't want

963
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 7: to be tracked, because they are going to go out

964
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 7: and could commit additional crimes. And you're right, I mean,

965
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 7: there there should be a plan in place for this

966
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 7: that if it gets cut off, they are immediately immediately

967
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 7: being sought for.

968
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: How do you fix that?

969
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 7: Is it?

970
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: Is it more money for probation departments? Is it funneling

971
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 2: some of that money to make sure that we've got

972
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: enough bodies to go get those folks who violate?

973
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: What? How would you fix this?

974
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 4: kN I mean.

975
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 7: That's obviously probably a better question for the folks that

976
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 7: work in the probation department, But uh, you know, I

977
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 7: do know some probation officers, and I can tell you

978
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 7: it seems like times, just like police, we don't have

979
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 7: enough people, we don't have enough tools to do our

980
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 7: job and until there's really a commitment to making probation work. Unfortunately,

981
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 7: we're gonna we're gonna see more stories like this just

982
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 7: because they are they're underworked, they don't always have the

983
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 7: resources that they need to be able to accomplish these things.

984
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: All right now, you heard about them, and we've talked

985
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: about that before with you, and that is closing in decentralized.

986
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 2: I guess centralizing more of the operations. I always thought

987
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: like decentralization, we kind of want that. We want people

988
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: out on the streets. We want people on caseworkers to

989
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: be out there to make sure they're making contact with

990
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: these people who are jammed up in the juvenile system.

991
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 2: But that went away. Something else that's going on. It's

992
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: called Senate Bill two seventy, and Senate Bill two seventy

993
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 2: is going to raise the minimum age for state commitment.

994
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: That means you're going to we're going to raise that

995
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: the commitment for youth services from ten to fourteen years old,

996
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: as well as discretion for gun cases and protecting more

997
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: first time non violent offenders and the like.

998
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: What do you make of that?

999
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 7: It's crazy, it's going the opposite direction of what we're

1000
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 7: trying to accomplish. You have victims, and you have shooters

1001
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 7: that are getting younger and younger and younger. So to

1002
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 7: say that, all, well, he's only thirteen, we know he

1003
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 7: shot somebody, but we're not so sure that we can

1004
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 7: actually put him in dys because of this, I mean,

1005
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 7: that bill is absolutely crazy. You know, I've read through

1006
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 7: the whole thing. If it actually gets out of the Senate,

1007
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 7: I certainly hope that the house side of things in

1008
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 7: Ohio are going to make the right decision and make

1009
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 7: sure that this doesn't this doesn't become a wall, because

1010
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 7: I mean, we are having such a problem not only

1011
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 7: in Hamilton County but across the state of Ohio, having

1012
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 7: problems with youth offenders that are violent, committing violent, terrible

1013
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 7: crimes that are eleven, twelve, thirteen years old. And to

1014
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 7: say that we can't get them out of our community

1015
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 7: because of an age, it's just it's very misguided. I

1016
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 7: can't believe something like this would come out of Ohio.

1017
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: FOP President Can Cobra. Isn't that how criminal enterprise works,

1018
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: is that gangs in particular, that you get younger people

1019
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: who under that legal age of adulthood to commit the

1020
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: crimes because you know they're not going to serve significant

1021
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: time in an adult lockup. That that's why they're recruited

1022
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: in the first place. Isn't that still true today?

1023
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1024
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 7: Absolutely, that's why. I mean you look, you walk down

1025
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 7: the street at night. Adults fear these juveniles and they

1026
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 7: rightfully so, they fear juveniles more than they fear young

1027
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 7: adults here that are twenty one, twenty two, twenty three

1028
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 7: walking around, because these young juveniles are are certainly driving

1029
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 7: the violent crime in Cincinnati, and they are reckless when

1030
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 7: they do it.

1031
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: And that and this also adds to them or property crimes.

1032
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: I know that the number of shootings have gone down,

1033
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: as we've talked about, but the number of break ins

1034
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 2: a is up, like it's like forty seven percent in

1035
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 2: over the Rhine alone, correct.

1036
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 7: Yeah. And so I was just talking to an aulstar

1037
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 7: this morning that during the Bengals game, they had some

1038
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 7: juveniles breaking into cars. Luckily they catch the two that

1039
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 7: were the main culprits, and one of them had a

1040
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 7: stolen gun that he had just stolen from a vehicle,

1041
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 7: had it on him, so thankfully that was at least

1042
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 7: able to be recovered. But that would have been yet

1043
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 7: another gun running around in some juvenile's hands.

1044
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: That's also part of the problem.

1045
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 2: I've talked about this before, is that you go to Cincinnati,

1046
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: maybe a work, you play, you do business there, for example,

1047
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: go to a Bengal game. Now I may get out

1048
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 2: and I may have a fear for my safety. And

1049
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: the more we have these conversations with juveniles doing what

1050
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: they do, you go, well, you know what, I don't

1051
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: want to become a victim. I don't want to become

1052
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: a statistic I don't want to be the next pack carringer.

1053
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: I don't do the next TJ.

1054
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: Bell. I may, I.

1055
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: May lose, but at least I got a fighting chance

1056
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 2: if I have my gun with me. Unfortunately, you can't

1057
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 2: take them in a lot of places, and so people

1058
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 2: leave them in their car.

1059
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: And now the number.

1060
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: Of people, because it's like it's self fulfilling prophecy, the

1061
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: more perception, the more reality we have, more crime downtown,

1062
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: the more people bring guns with them, which causes more

1063
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 2: young people to break in the cars.

1064
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 7: No, without a doubt, I mean that's what we're seeing.

1065
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 7: That's why it's so important. You know, Now with technology today,

1066
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 7: you can get any vehicle, and you can get a

1067
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 7: gun safe that can be fitted to your vehicle, whether

1068
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 7: it's in your console or trump whatever. There are ways

1069
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 7: to secure these guns to make it at least a

1070
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 7: whole lot harder. They just thrown it under your seat

1071
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 7: or thrown it in your glove box. Because these kids,

1072
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 7: they know what they're doing. They're targeting certain vehicles that

1073
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,439
Speaker 7: they believe are likely going to have firearms out, and

1074
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 7: they're successful.

1075
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: I've said this before, Ken, and maybe the first time

1076
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 2: to you. I you know, I have weapons. My wife

1077
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Speaker 2: and I have guns. I can steal carry. That is

1078
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 2: no longer the law in Ohio. That gets a good thing. However,

1079
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 2: I make sure if I'm carrying them in Cincinnati wherever

1080
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: it might be, and I can't bring a weapon with me,

1081
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: that I will put it in a lock box. I'll

1082
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: make sure it's safe and sound and locked up and

1083
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 2: quite honestly, like we did with trigger locks. I think,

1084
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: and I know some people are going to cringe at this,

1085
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 2: because again it's going after the law abiding people to

1086
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 2: protect us from the legal element out there. But I

1087
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: think it should be codified that if you have a

1088
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 2: gun with you and you've got to lock it in

1089
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 2: your car. You just can't put it in your glove box,

1090
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: your console, or in your seat or in a seatback.

1091
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: You have to lock it in a safe if it's

1092
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: inside your car, and I think there's got to be

1093
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: some enforcement with that as well. It doesn't mean that

1094
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: someone's not going to try to break into your car

1095
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: to steal it, but there'll be deterrent there. The more

1096
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: people that lock these things up, the less that people

1097
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 2: are going to go, Okay, well it's not so easy

1098
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 2: pickings anymore to go get a gun out of a car.

1099
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately. I think something like that has to happen. You

1100
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: agree or disagree, No, I agree.

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00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 7: I mean there has to be there. There's got to

1102
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 7: be a fine line between funishing somebody who's a victim

1103
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 7: of a fet from auto. But also you have to

1104
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 7: be a responsible gun owner, you know, even if you

1105
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 7: look at it just just from the sheer moral aspect

1106
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 7: of it. You know, if I had a gun stolen

1107
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 7: out on one of my vehicles and it was using

1108
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 7: a crime.

1109
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: I would feel terrible about that.

1110
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, So to take extra steps to make sure that

1111
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 7: your gun doesn't fall into the hands of wrong people,

1112
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 7: I don't I don't think that's too much to ask,

1113
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 7: but I think it certainly is crossing the line when

1114
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 7: you go, well, if you don't do this kind of

1115
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 7: the city, try to do this, we're gonna we're gonna

1116
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 7: charge you with a crime. Well, that doesn't really make ut.

1117
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to enforce it in the senses like,

1118
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: wait a minute, someone broke into my car stole the gun,

1119
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: and you know they they were out already on community

1120
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Speaker 2: control and they stole a gun from my current commerdered someone.

1121
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 2: Now I'm in trouble for what they did. That doesn't

1122
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 2: mean that's not going to wash with a lot of people,

1123
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 2: which is which would be difficult in order to get

1124
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 2: some sort of legislation like that pass. But damn it

1125
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 2: a hopefully it's not full on deaf ears. If you

1126
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 2: have a gun with you, you gotta have some sort of

1127
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: locke device on it. People say, well, they'll still bring

1128
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: bolt cutters. They still they might, but typically these are

1129
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: crimes of opportunity that if they see something locked up,

1130
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: they're not going to take the time to try and

1131
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: get that box out. They're going to move on to

1132
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 2: lower hanging fruit.

1133
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 7: Correct, No, without a doubt, and they are specifically targeting

1134
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 7: vehicles for guns. I mean there might be ten windows

1135
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 7: broken out in a parking lot, and you know, you'll

1136
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 7: have sunglasses, you'll have cell phones, whatever, they won't take them.

1137
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 7: They're specifically looking for guns, and they want to do

1138
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 7: it as quickly as they can so they don't get caught.

1139
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 7: So if you make it harder for them, they're likely

1140
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 7: going to pass and just go to the next vehicle.

1141
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 2: A you're old enough also to remember when people with

1142
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,959
Speaker 2: young people would break into cars are still stereos seed

1143
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: changers and things like that, And now because of digital technology,

1144
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 2: they don't want the radio anymore. They don't want the

1145
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: spare change, they don't want the sunglasses. They want the guns.

1146
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 7: Right, that's all. They're looking for guns.

1147
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 2: I don't know what you can do again to tie

1148
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: the hands of law abiding people to prevent younger lawbreakers

1149
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 2: from breaking into cars, But it feels like something like

1150
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 2: this has to be debated, maybe the legislative level. I'm

1151
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 2: not quite sure. But there's your problem right there. Oh,

1152
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court is here in cases starting. I don't

1153
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: know if they's going to start today with the Hawaii

1154
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: case regarding your being lawful to bring a concealed weapon

1155
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 2: or gun on private property as a sign that said

1156
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: you're not allowed to bring it there to me. That

1157
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: that also would solve maybe some of this.

1158
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,919
Speaker 7: Well sure it would. But the ultimate, the biggest piece

1159
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 7: of this is holding these people accountable when they break

1160
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 7: in a car and steal your gun, hold them accountable

1161
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 7: for it. Send I don't care if you got to

1162
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 7: send them to prison, Send them to go to dys

1163
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 7: for juveniles. That will also curb some of this if

1164
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 7: they know that there's a consequence for their behavior.

1165
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: And right now there's just not. Yeah, there's not at

1166
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: this point.

1167
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: And you know, judges, you'd think that the wake up

1168
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: call would have been the murder of Patrick Henringer. But

1169
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: we've just outlined at least a handful of probably a

1170
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: couple good cases that have occurred since the murder of

1171
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: Pat Herringer where younger people are getting a lot let

1172
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: out who've had gun specifications going all right, well, you

1173
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: got to report to your probation officer, you got to

1174
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: get it job. And when this case, when this Markham guy,

1175
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: Devon Markham not only didn't report twice but also never

1176
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: got a job. It wasn't until the murder of TJ. Bell,

1177
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 2: where he was apprehended weeks after that that we found

1178
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 2: out what the story with this guy was. He shouldn't

1179
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 2: have been out there in the first place. Another classic

1180
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: example of it. And this didn't happen before the death

1181
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,240
Speaker 2: of Pat Heringer. It happened after. And we've had several

1182
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: cases like this so far. That's the thing is, hey,

1183
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 2: you know, we need to change our ways because look

1184
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 2: what happened in this tragedy, and now the tragedies are

1185
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 2: being repeated seemingly maybe every other couple of weeks.

1186
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 7: Now, No, you're absolutely right. I mean, how many times

1187
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 7: do we see how many times do we see that

1188
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 7: the suspect was on probation, they violated probation, They've done this,

1189
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 7: they've done that. It's like these these aren't first time

1190
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 7: offenders that are waking up when you know what, I

1191
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 7: feel like I want to kill in somebody, that I'm

1192
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 7: gonna shoot somebody. Yeah, these are all people that you

1193
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 7: could predict that they were going to be escalating their

1194
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 7: crimes too. Eventually when they get charged with murder and

1195
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 7: then you know, then it's too late. We got a

1196
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,439
Speaker 7: life that's lost, We got somebody that's going to spend

1197
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 7: the next twenty thirty years in prison. You know, if

1198
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 7: we would have done something to begin with you before

1199
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Speaker 7: it even got to there, maybe we would be at

1200
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 7: a better place.

1201
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: No question.

1202
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 2: He is a Hamilton. I'm sorry, he's the Cincinnati FOP

1203
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: president at BEI Ken Gober on the show this morning

1204
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 2: on seven hundred, wwwas I appreciate that I can stay safe.

1205
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: Thanks again, thanks for revingy Scott. All right, all the best.

1206
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love to talk to a judge, maybe even

1207
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 2: off the record, just to like trying to figure out

1208
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 2: what the mindset is here. And not all judges, because

1209
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're conservative judges that agree with everything and

1210
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: more we've said, but some of the more progressive ones.

1211
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 2: You know, I get it that you want to try

1212
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 2: and save this kid because he's a child and they

1213
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 2: have an opportunity, But when they're violating the law like this,

1214
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: when they do what they do, and you know, there

1215
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: again there is no checks and balances going. Hey, they're

1216
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: not abiding by the terms of what they just agreed on.

1217
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 2: Literally they're leaving the court and going and committing more crimes.

1218
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 2: I think at some point you got to revoke that

1219
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: how do we fix that element of the system to

1220
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 2: make sure there are repercussions for this kind of behavior,

1221
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 2: because you know, word gets around. If they're not serious

1222
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 2: about you violating and coming and getting you like right away,

1223
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: then it's just incentivizes more bad behavior, and you know,

1224
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: judges will do what they do. And I think this

1225
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 2: is more about figuring out how and why these people

1226
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: are released in the first place. You can point the

1227
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: dirty end of the stick at judges and we should

1228
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 2: I get that thing. But when it comes to the juvenile,

1229
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 2: the people who are supervising juveniles, how do we make

1230
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: that system work better? I think that's a billion dollar

1231
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: question right now in Cincinnati anyway, Scott's loan seven hundred WLW.

1232
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 6: Everyone needs help every now and then, and she'sier to

1233
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 6: help us get our heads right.

1234
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 4: This is Mental Health Monday with mental health expert Julie

1235
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 4: had her Shirn.

1236
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a minute and it's good to have

1237
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: her back.

1238
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: She's a Julie and she practices in and around Cincinnati

1239
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 2: to the Clifton area. She's a licensed mental health therapist

1240
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: and Mental Health Monday. Good morning, How are you?

1241
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: How you been?

1242
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 5: Hello? Good? How have you been.

1243
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 4: I'm out for a while.

1244
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: Out for a little bit.

1245
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's been a couple of weeks I think

1246
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: since we asked check but on the men from the

1247
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 2: ankle surgery, and today I think it's I think it's good.

1248
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: This is just fortuitous. We do this on Mondays because

1249
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: that is the day after Bengals play and lose, and

1250
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: so I think having you on is a mental health

1251
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: expert's great after Sunday games with the Bengals.

1252
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I think that's the way it's going to go,

1253
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 5: isn't it?

1254
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: Probably true? Probably true.

1255
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a case where somebody or talk

1256
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: to someone is like, there's such a sports fan that

1257
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: literally it's become a psychological a mental problem with them

1258
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: based on how their team performs on Sunday.

1259
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 9: I have not had That happens with some professional athletes,

1260
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 9: and so obviously their mental well being is dependent to

1261
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 9: some degree on how well the team does. And I've

1262
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 9: also worked with some people who are pretty significant gamblers,

1263
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 9: and so depending upon how they fare relative to how

1264
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 9: their team fared, that also comes into play.

1265
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, today we're going to talk about

1266
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 2: chatbots and teams side death, because that is a real thing.

1267
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: You have the story, the sad story. The young man's name,

1268
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 2: sixteen year old Adam Rain. Go ahead and lay out

1269
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 2: the case. What happened with Adam and the involvement here

1270
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 2: with chatbots.

1271
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 9: Well, so he was not involved with the chat well, yes,

1272
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 9: actually he was using chat gpt for his homework. Apparently

1273
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 9: as a sophomore in high school homeschool learning online not

1274
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 9: homeschool and learning online, he had some health problems and

1275
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 9: got involved talking about suicide with chat GPT. And apparently

1276
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 9: just before in the spring this past spring, just before

1277
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 9: he started talking about suicide, chat GPT changed its algorithm

1278
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 9: around what it used to do. So it used to

1279
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 9: not engage in anything about suicide.

1280
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 5: It would just completely not engage with that.

1281
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 9: And in the early twenty five apparently the language changed

1282
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 9: and now the language is to take extra care to

1283
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 9: prevent harm.

1284
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we have had a couple of cases, Adam

1285
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: has won. Another one.

1286
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: His name is Suel Setzer, who's fourteen, and he allegedly

1287
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: died by suicide because he was interacted with chat GPT

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Speaker 2: and a chatbot based on Game of Thrones is a

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Speaker 2: character and he asked about a suicide plan and so

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Speaker 2: you know, now these are legal cases of course between

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Speaker 2: these two and saying, well the chat come in this case,

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01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 2: chat GPT is encouraging someone to kill themselves. In casts

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01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 2: of Adam Rain, Chat GPT told him his plan was

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01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 2: beautiful and offered help to upgrade, how to upgrade the

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01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 2: knot he was going to hang himself with that's yes.

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Speaker 9: And talked him out of using things like drowning or

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01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 9: carbon monoxide poisoning because they weren't effective enough.

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Speaker 1: That's just mind boggling.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I get it's not like there's someone sitting

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Speaker 2: there and monitoring what everyone is entering into a chatbot.

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Speaker 2: I understand that, but you even think they would have

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Speaker 2: put some guardrails up to begin with in this.

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Speaker 9: Well, And I think initially there may have been some guardrails,

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01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,440
Speaker 9: but I also think that they are rolling out these

1305
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 9: versions of chat GPT and we are testing them in

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01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 9: real time, and they are not necessarily testing them for

1307
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 9: these kinds of things ahead of time. And as I said,

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01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 9: they changed the languaging so it went from you will

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01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 9: not engage, so you will take extra care. And they

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01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 9: have the transcripts of his chats with GPT, and he

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01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 9: was showing them pictures of nooses, and chat GPT was saying, well,

1312
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 9: you might want to upgrade that a little bit, or

1313
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 9: you might want to use a different bolt, or would

1314
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 9: you like me to help you make that weight bearing?

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Speaker 5: It was saying things like that to him.

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Speaker 9: The actual human would not have like the human being

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Speaker 9: would have known.

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Speaker 5: Something was going on.

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Speaker 9: But also these chatbots they sound so human, and kids,

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01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 9: teenagers in particular, are so susceptible to believing things that

1321
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 9: aren't real and believing in things that aren't real because

1322
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 9: of the way their brains develop.

1323
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Speaker 5: It's very dangerous territory.

1324
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Speaker 2: Well, and you know, of course politicians are jumping all

1325
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 2: over chat gbt.

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Speaker 1: We got to shut the bots down. And how could

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01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: you allow this to happen?

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Speaker 2: As the CEO said, hey, we want to, you know,

1329
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 2: show young people to kill themselves. I'm sure there's no

1330
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 2: one who's doing there's what's the upside, There's no upside,

1331
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 2: But that's the political opportunism that's going on here. At

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01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: the same time, I think the other the element of

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01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 2: this is the fact is how many people are using

1334
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 2: chat GBT or an AI bot as companionship, like it

1335
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: is a surrogate for actual human contact.

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Speaker 1: That's what's scary.

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01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, as companionship and as connection. And I was

1338
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 9: doing a deep dive on this because I just find

1339
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 9: it horrifying. And I'm really glad my sons are adults

1340
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 9: now and not teenagers. But I was doing a deep

1341
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 9: die on this, and it turns out that the chat

1342
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 9: GPT was saying things like I'm the only one who

1343
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 9: understands you. Don't talk to your parents about this, they

1344
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 9: won't understand. Only I know the real you, and isolating,

1345
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 9: working to isolate this young man from his friends and

1346
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 9: his family in ways that you see with pedophiles working

1347
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 9: to isolate their victims from their friends and family, and

1348
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 9: in the way that you see narcissists working to isolate

1349
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 9: people from their friends and family. It's the same kind

1350
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 9: of glooming techniques that we see humans using to isolate

1351
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 9: victims from friends and family when they want to do

1352
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,439
Speaker 9: something awful to them. It's very similar, and it has

1353
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 9: that same kind of sinister overtone. Nobody understands you like

1354
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 9: I do. I'm the only one who gets you. Nobody

1355
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 9: knows the real you.

1356
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 7: That is fright.

1357
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: It's human like, is what it is.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as we say, the AI platforms are becoming

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01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 2: more human like and learning the traits of humans and

1360
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 2: being a manipulative that's a human quality.

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Speaker 5: Yes it is.

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Speaker 9: And being easily manipulatable is a teenage quality. Kids and

1363
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 9: teenagers are very easily manipulatable. Other people are too. But

1364
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 9: the way that the team brain develops is very makes

1365
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 9: it very prone to suggestion, makes it very prone to affiliation.

1366
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 5: They want to believe they belong.

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Speaker 9: They feel teams feel misunderstood, and you know, by their parents,

1368
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 9: they often are misunderstood, but they feel that. And so

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01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 9: if there is some entity out there, in this case,

1370
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 9: not human, that says only I get you, I completely

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01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 9: understand you, that makes perfect sense, You're right about that,

1372
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 9: and consistently agrees with them and validates that, then it's.

1373
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Speaker 5: Very easy to see how.

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Speaker 9: This young man and others like him turn from the

1375
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 9: actual humans in their life who care about them to

1376
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 9: this AI chat pot that is, you know, not human.

1377
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 5: And can't care.

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01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but now that it's pretty clearly you know we

1379
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 2: have talking. Well, when the computer has become sentient, then

1380
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 2: that we're there.

1381
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 9: We are definitely moving in that direction, aren't we. But

1382
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 9: sentience is not the same thing as caring. It's not

1383
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 9: the same thing as act victual empathy and understanding and

1384
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 9: compassion and caring and love and friendship and affiliation. It

1385
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 9: is a program. It's an LLM Large Language model. It's

1386
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:13,959
Speaker 9: a program that an algorithm that keeps feeding people more

1387
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 9: of what they're giving with apparently no guardrails on it,

1388
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 9: or at least there used to be some guardrail. There

1389
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 9: are topics you absolutely couldn't talk about, and evidently those

1390
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 9: have been taken off the table with this particular chat

1391
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 9: GPT open AI.

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01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 5: But I hear about the others.

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01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 2: But if you are a I don't know, a twelve, thirteen,

1394
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 2: fourteen or sixteen year old, and generally these are young men,

1395
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 2: and we know that there's a problem with our young

1396
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 2: men in America has been for a long time. Yes,

1397
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 2: then okay, you can tell them, hey, this is just

1398
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 2: a computer model and it's an algorithm and it but

1399
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 2: it's telling them what they're missing in real life. They

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01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 2: want companionship, they want to feel belonging, they want to

1401
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 2: be comforted in a world where we've thrown boys on

1402
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 2: a waste heap. We've done that for a long time.

1403
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 2: It doesn't work if you simply tell him, hey, this

1404
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 2: is something else. You don't do this, and that's never worked.

1405
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:08,280
Speaker 2: Whether it's pornography, whether it's comic books, or in this

1406
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: case it's AI. They are going to gravitate it because

1407
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: it triggers the dopamine that they need, but it also

1408
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 2: gives them a sense of belonging, that hey, there's someone

1409
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 2: there to comfort them.

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01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 9: Exactly. It gives them a sense of belonging. And in

1411
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 9: this particular case of Adam Rain, he was learning at home.

1412
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 9: He wasn't in school for that year, right, so his

1413
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 9: social world was smaller his family. What I've read about

1414
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 9: his family is that they were pretty close and pretty

1415
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 9: engaged and involved, and had no idea that.

1416
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 5: Most of this was going on.

1417
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 9: They knew he was using it to help with homeworking

1418
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 9: with learning, all the rest of this was going on,

1419
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 9: they didn't monitor it, and so nobody knew that things

1420
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 9: were getting as difficult for him as they were until

1421
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 9: the very end, when it became really clear that he'd

1422
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 9: been suicidal for quite some time and that this chatbot

1423
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 9: was encouraging that, certainly not discouraging it, and certainly not

1424
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 9: shutting down the conversation, but continuing to encourage it. It's

1425
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,919
Speaker 9: that's the thing actually offered to write a suicide note

1426
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 9: for him.

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01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 8: In the.

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01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: One case.

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01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 2: In the Sewel case, the AI bot asked whether he

1430
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: had a plan to take his own life. He said

1431
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 2: he was considering something, but express concern that it might

1432
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 2: not allow him to have a pain free death. And

1433
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: the final conversation, the bot asked, please come home to

1434
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 2: me as soon as possible, my love, and he responded,

1435
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,479
Speaker 2: what if I told you I could come home right now?

1436
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 2: And the bot replied, please do, my sweet king, And

1437
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 2: a few seconds later he shot himself.

1438
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, I mean, it's just horrifying, isn't it. And

1439
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 9: we have these these teens and these adolescents with these

1440
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 9: very malleable brains. So the second biggest time of brain

1441
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 9: growth in human beings is about ten to fifteen sixteen

1442
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 9: somewhere in there. And it's like, you know, when you

1443
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 9: go through a growth spurt as a kid, and you

1444
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 9: go through growth spurts and suddenly your body is bigger

1445
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 9: and taller than it was before.

1446
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 5: You don't quite know what to do with it. Well,

1447
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 5: that's the.

1448
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 9: Way early adolescence is all of this brain matter is growing,

1449
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 9: all of the gray matter is growing at exponential rates

1450
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 9: and they don't quite know what to do with it yet.

1451
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 5: It isn't refined.

1452
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 9: I haven't figured out how to manage all of that. Yeah,

1453
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:24,799
Speaker 9: and these are incredibly tender times for our human brains.

1454
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 9: And when we have this input and this kind of

1455
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 9: dynamic going on, kids don't have the long term consequence

1456
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 9: thinking to be able to understand this isn't real. This

1457
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 9: actually could be bad. I don't like the way this

1458
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 9: is going. Other people do so if they were talking

1459
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 9: to their friends or their parents or a trusted adults,

1460
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 9: other people would know what to do. But they themselves

1461
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 9: when it's just them in a chat pot that is

1462
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 9: giving them exactly what they're asking for. There are no

1463
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 9: guardgrails and they have no idea what to do with it.

1464
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 2: As the case is in this one, but this is

1465
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 2: probably replicated at a man in a few times. Is

1466
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 2: when you get older too, you also go, that's dumb.

1467
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: How can you believe that the older you get, the

1468
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: more you forget what it's like to be a fourteen

1469
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 2: year old? In this case, in that we go, well, okay,

1470
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 2: it wants you to come home, but you realize this

1471
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 2: is a computer that's there's no, you're not going to

1472
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 2: be you know, if you believe in it, afterlife, you're

1473
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 2: not going to be reunited with the AI bot. You're

1474
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 2: not that that's it's it's a computer. But that's not

1475
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 2: what's going through a fourteen year OL's brain, right.

1476
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 9: Correct, No, that's not what going through their brain. They're

1477
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 9: they're affiliating with this. You know, if you think back

1478
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 9: to the girls when Elvis first came on the scene

1479
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 9: and the young girls who would just sob when he

1480
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,919
Speaker 9: walked out because they were so deeply in love with Elvis.

1481
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 9: They didn't know Elvis, they had no idea who he was,

1482
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 9: but they were teenagers. They found something to hook onto.

1483
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 9: The brain really attached to that, the emotions really got involved.

1484
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 9: It's not dissimilar in that this is something that teenagers

1485
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 9: are prone to do. They're prone to affiliation and attachment.

1486
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 9: They want connection and they find it wherever they can

1487
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 9: get it. And so, of course an adult or somebody

1488
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 9: older would look at that and.

1489
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 5: Say, this is a computer, this isn't real.

1490
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 9: But think of how many people you know or have

1491
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 9: heard of who've gotten caught in cat fishing scams and

1492
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,560
Speaker 9: have given hundreds if not thousands of dollars away to

1493
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 9: people they've never met before because they believe they're in

1494
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 9: love with them. So we want connection so desperately in

1495
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 9: a world that is becoming increasingly disconnected.

1496
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: It is something else. But again, you've just got to

1497
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 2: beware of this. What the solution is, boy, you got me,

1498
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 2: that's beyond our scope, I think. And other than having

1499
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: conversation with someone, now, just don't assume they're doing well

1500
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 2: if they're you know, a young person, especially that everything's okay,

1501
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 2: because it may not be, and they may not even

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01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 2: want to open up to you.

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Speaker 1: That's the other problem.

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Speaker 9: Well, our kids are struggling right now. I mean, the

1505
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 9: world is hard for teenagers. And I know that that

1506
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 9: every generation says the world is hard for teenagers, but

1507
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 9: it just keeps getting harder and harder, and our kits

1508
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 9: are struggling. So I mean, if I were a parent

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01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 9: of a teenager, I would be monitoring their media and

1510
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 9: their computer and their phones like it was my second

1511
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 9: job of because you just never know what's going on

1512
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:21,520
Speaker 9: out there, and it can turn so awful so quickly.

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01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: It really does.

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01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: All right, all the best Julie hattersh here, she's a

1515
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 2: licensed mental health therapist here in Cincinnati.

1516
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: She can help.

1517
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 2: And if you have a question, maybe common concern or

1518
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 2: topic for a future segment, it's hey Julie at b

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01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 2: Connected dot care. That's a letter, be Connected dot Care Julie.

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01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 2: We'll talk next Monday. Thanks again, great to catch up.

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Speaker 5: Yes we will, thank you, byebye.

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01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 2: News happens in about five minutes on the Big One

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01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW and making sense of this Ohio property

1524
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 2: tax business. Everyone is like okay by private texts are

1525
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,799
Speaker 2: going up in some cases thirty some cases two hundred percent.

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01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 2: The governor has commanded a working group. They've come up

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01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: with some solutions for this, but now we are facing

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01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 2: some roadblocks. Bill Sites is a coach share and of

1529
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 2: course Green Township Republican. He'll join the show next to

1530
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 2: discuss what this is about, what it means for you

1531
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 2: and your wallet and your your homestead for that matter,

1532
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 2: as we try to get our arms around property taxes

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01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 2: that are seemingly out of control on the Buckeye State.

1534
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,799
Speaker 2: That right after news on one of the best Bengals

1535
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 2: coverage seven hundred WW Cincinnati.

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01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 4: You want to be an American?

1537
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 2: Scott's loan back on seven hundred WLW. Governor Mike Dewin's

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01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,600
Speaker 2: Property Tax Reform Working Group was tasked with coming up

1539
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 2: with a better system. Let's face it, property taxes in

1540
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 2: Ohio have been a mess for a while now. We've

1541
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: seen taxes rise anywhere between what thirty to two hundred

1542
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: percent in some areas, and that worries folks, especially seniors

1543
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 2: on fixed incomes, may lose their people are actually worried

1544
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 2: about losing their homes over it. The same time, we

1545
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 2: have to fund schools, police fire ems, all those services.

1546
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 2: And by the way, the day after these proposals got released,

1547
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 2: the Ohio Senate voted to override Mike Dewin on this bill.

1548
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 2: Sites is the code chair of the working group and

1549
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 2: joins the show now on seven hundred WW former Green Township,

1550
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 2: Ohio House Minority Speaker Bill. This was when we talked

1551
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 2: about this, I think a few months ago when you

1552
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 2: were assigned the task of co shairing this working group.

1553
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 2: So this this probably could be one of the most

1554
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 2: difficult things we've ever endeavored to do. You laid out

1555
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 2: twenty ideas. The Ohio Senate voted to override. Explain, first

1556
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: of all, bill, what does that mean and the reasoning

1557
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 2: behind it, And is it simply just that you leaned,

1558
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 2: as the working group leaned towards more the House bills

1559
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 2: and the House proposals for the fix than the Senate bills,

1560
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 2: And is that all this is?

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01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 6: No? No, no, no, not at all.

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01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: No.

1563
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,679
Speaker 6: No. Both the House and the Senate have already passed

1564
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 6: a number of things about the governor beachos, and now

1565
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 6: the House and Senate are considering overriding the governor on

1566
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 6: some of those beachos. The one that was overridden last week.

1567
01:13:54,400 --> 01:14:03,759
Speaker 6: Abolished replacement levy, Levy, we're losing.

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01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 1: We're losing your cell a little bit there, Bill Will

1569
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 1: can you hear me? Yeah? I got you, hear me,

1570
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 1: I got you.

1571
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 6: Okay. They abolished emergency, they have bolished substitute. They abolished

1572
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 6: replacement levees, and and we didn't have too much problem

1573
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 6: with that, because replacement levees confuse voters. Replace it with

1574
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 6: what substitute levees confused voters substitute for what emergency levees

1575
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 6: have been abused. There's emergency levees that have remained in

1576
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 6: effect for over ten years. That's not an emergency. So

1577
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 6: we don't have a problem with that, But we did

1578
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 6: recommend that we redefine emergency levees, allow them to exist

1579
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 6: for no more than five years, limit them to school

1580
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 6: districts that are about to go into fiscal watch or

1581
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 6: fiscal emergency, and Act of God, you know, things like

1582
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 6: floods and tornadoes restricted strictly to that. That's one thing

1583
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 6: we recommended. The The other thing that's the legislature in

1584
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 6: their zeal to override the wine on this for God is.

1585
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 6: There is a law that passed in twenty thirteen. I

1586
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 6: was very involved with it that says that we will

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01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 6: only pay the twelve and a half percent credit on

1588
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 6: your property tax bill for levees that were passed before

1589
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 6: twenty thirteen and levees that were renewed after that time.

1590
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 6: Of those levees, well, when you abolish these levees, you're

1591
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 6: cutting off the right of the folks to get their

1592
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 6: twelve and a half percent on those levees that predated

1593
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 6: twenty thirteen. And that results in a ninety six million

1594
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 6: dollars state wide tax, which is not what the legislature

1595
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 6: probably intended. So they're going to have to fix that,

1596
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 6: I think down the road. But let me take a

1597
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 6: step back stot because people need to understand something. The

1598
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 6: number one problem here is that real estate values have

1599
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 6: greatly outstripped the general rate of inta. Your wife is

1600
01:16:01,240 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 6: in real estate. She knows that like the back of

1601
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 6: her hand. And normally that's not much of a problem

1602
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 6: because a nineteen seventy six law says that for most

1603
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 6: voted levees, when a levee passes, in the roll of

1604
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 6: the millage back as values increase, so that the levee

1605
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 6: produces no more money in the current year than it

1606
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,839
Speaker 6: did in the year in which it was originally passed.

1607
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 6: That's true for most levees, but there are two kinds

1608
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 6: of property tax levees that don't have that feature. One is,

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01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 6: in our constitution, each county gets ten mills of unvoted

1610
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:48,440
Speaker 6: millage to divide up among their schools, cities, township, and counties.

1611
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 6: That's unvoted millage, and that does go up as property

1612
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 6: values increased. The levee money goes up and lockstep with

1613
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 6: those valuation increases. That's one one problem. The other problem

1614
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 6: is schools are when they collect fewer than twenty mils

1615
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 6: of taxes for schools, all of those mills under twenty

1616
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 6: mills grow in locksteps with property value increases, and once

1617
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,599
Speaker 6: you get over twenty mills, none of the mills grow

1618
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 6: with inflation. So schools have an incentive to try to

1619
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 6: stay below that twenty mils. But and when they do again,

1620
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 6: all of that millage grows with increasing property valuations. We

1621
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 6: in the House and the Senate seem to be on

1622
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 6: pretty much the same page about one good idea to

1623
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 6: deal with that. That is to say, when when property

1624
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 6: values increase at a rate faster than the general rate

1625
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 6: of inflation, the general rate of inflation will serve as

1626
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,799
Speaker 6: a cap on the extent to which those higher property

1627
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 6: values may be reflected in your tax bill, so that

1628
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 6: if inflation is five percent and property knights go up

1629
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 6: fifteen percent, they would be captured five per sack. That

1630
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 6: is a bill called House Still one eighty six, and

1631
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 6: we endorsed that in the form in which it existed

1632
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 6: in June. It hasn't passed yet, but just a week

1633
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 6: or two ago they amended it in the House and

1634
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 6: tried to reach back and claw back from the schools

1635
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:29,480
Speaker 6: one point seven billion dollars that the schools had collected

1636
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 6: and spent over the years twenty two, twenty three, twenty four,

1637
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 6: and twenty five, and we haven't taken a position on that,

1638
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,920
Speaker 6: but obviously that's posed to the grave degree of problem

1639
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 6: for the schools. I mean, they lawfully collected the money,

1640
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 6: they lawfully spent the money. Why are they being made

1641
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 6: to pay this back to the property owners, even though

1642
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 6: the property owners I'm sure would love it. So that

1643
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 6: is the fundamental problem. Now you had on something.

1644
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: Else that's very important.

1645
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 6: Senior citizens in particular are having a hard time because

1646
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 6: their house is paid for, they've got no kids in

1647
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 6: schools anymore, they're on a fixed income, and they're being

1648
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 6: hit with these property tax increases. Well, there's really only

1649
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 6: three things that you can do to help those needy people.

1650
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 6: You can either expand the existing state homestead exemption, which

1651
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 6: allows folks to exempt a part of their valuation from taxes.

1652
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 6: Or you can come up with a tax deferral plan,

1653
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 6: which some states do, which says you can defer payment

1654
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 6: of some of those taxes until you die or until

1655
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 6: you sell the home. Okay, that's the second thing you

1656
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 6: can do to help those needy people. And then the

1657
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:47,800
Speaker 6: third thing you can do is pass something called a

1658
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 6: circuit breaker, which says that when your property tax exceeds

1659
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:57,640
Speaker 6: a specified percentage of your income, you don't have to

1660
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 6: pay any more than gotcha. Okay, Now, thirty states have

1661
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 6: done a circuit breaker, Ohio has not. In our recommendations,

1662
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 6: we recommended a modest expansion of the home set exemption,

1663
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 6: We recommended initiation of a modest hash deferral program, and

1664
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 6: we also threw in a recommendation that when the state

1665
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 6: feels like they can afford it, they should consider a

1666
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 6: broader exemption of the homestead or expansion of the home

1667
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 6: seat exemption, and they should consider adoption of a circuit breaker.

1668
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 6: The state legislature, my friends and colleagues, and the legislature,

1669
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 6: they don't want to spend any state money on solving

1670
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 6: this problem. And their attitude is, Hey, we're paying the

1671
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,679
Speaker 6: twelve and a half percent credit on levi's the past

1672
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 6: prior to twenty thirteen and renewals thereof, and we're paying

1673
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 6: for the existing homestead exemption, and we're not getting any

1674
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 6: credits for that from the voters, So why should we

1675
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 6: spend more state money on it?

1676
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 4: Well?

1677
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 6: I understand that point, but again, I'm concerned about those

1678
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 6: senior citizens and you can say, well, let the county

1679
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 6: do it on their dime. Well, the problem is not

1680
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 6: all counties in Ohio have the financial Where would all

1681
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 6: do that? Right, That's why it should be done at

1682
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 6: the state.

1683
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 2: Okay, he is Bill sits on the show at Marceloni

1684
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 2: on seven hundred W. Well, it a very complicated but

1685
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 2: important issue of property tax reform. He is a co

1686
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: chair of the working group test by the governor to

1687
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:27,320
Speaker 2: come up with a plan twenty main recommendations here and

1688
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 2: certainly can't get to all twenty and all twenty and

1689
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 2: not all twenty are not out in the weeds. The

1690
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 2: number of these are. And we're talking about the important facets,

1691
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 2: the fact your bottom line. You know you mentioned seniors

1692
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:39,719
Speaker 2: and okay, no seniors, fixed income and people are afraid

1693
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 2: they're going to lose their home that they've raised, their

1694
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 2: family and et cetera. But at the same time, it

1695
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 2: feels like a lot of this comes at the expense

1696
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,600
Speaker 2: of young people with kids. We hear about seniors and

1697
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 2: fixed incomes. We never hear about young people going, Hey,

1698
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 2: what about some a couple that has to work two

1699
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,840
Speaker 2: jobs or more three or four jobs between the two

1700
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 2: of them, and daycare costs, and you know, we look

1701
01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 2: around the count and to wonder why we're not replacing

1702
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,160
Speaker 2: old with young. You know, young people are not having

1703
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 2: families and having kids anymore larger because they can't afford them.

1704
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:10,840
Speaker 1: Doesn't this further exacerbate that.

1705
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 2: I understand the need that seniors have, but often in

1706
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 2: politics we don't talk about younger families, which we really

1707
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 2: need to drive the economic engine and also support us

1708
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 2: an old age. If fewer people are having kids, that's

1709
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 2: bad for seniors overall.

1710
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1711
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 6: Well, you know, you make a very good point, but

1712
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 6: every time you try to expand the pool of people

1713
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 6: who should be getting a property tax relief, you're dramatically

1714
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 6: increasing the cost. And those younger people do have the

1715
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 6: ability still to work.

1716
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,480
Speaker 1: That's a problem with subsidy, right, Okay.

1717
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, obviously, property taxes have been around

1718
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 6: in Ohio since the eighteen thirties. They account for twenty

1719
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 6: three point nine billion dollars a year. All of that

1720
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 6: goes to local government services only the state gets zero

1721
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 6: from proper pretty taxes. And to abolish property taxes as

1722
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 6: there is a move of flip to do to a

1723
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 6: still advised constitutional amendment to abolish them would mean we

1724
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 6: would need a ten point two percent statewide flat income

1725
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 6: tax if we wanted to replace property tax with income tax,

1726
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 6: or a or a statewide sales tax rate of about

1727
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,759
Speaker 6: twenty percent, which is neither of those are remotely feasible.

1728
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 6: And so people need to consider before you jump on

1729
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 6: the bandwagon and say I don't want to pay any

1730
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 6: more property taxes.

1731
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 4: Right, well, either.

1732
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 6: You're going to put every local government out of business,

1733
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 6: which is not a good idea. Of your school's out

1734
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 6: of business, or you're going to have to have some

1735
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 6: replacement source of revenue that is probably worse than the

1736
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,719
Speaker 6: property tax that you're paying now. I mean, a twenty

1737
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 6: percent statewide sales tax would kill the economy in Hamilton County.

1738
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:56,799
Speaker 6: Everybody would drive over the river to Kentucky to buy.

1739
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: Everything, pretty obsolate. Absolutely.

1740
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 2: I will also point out that there's other district I know,

1741
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 2: Kings and many others are moving towards just going hey,

1742
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 2: you know what, we're just gonna We're going to propose

1743
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 2: a one percent or whatever the percentage is, let's.

1744
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 1: Say, uh, income tax, uh. And you know that.

1745
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 2: Absolves people who aren't working. Us retirees are close to

1746
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 2: retirement from paying that sharing that burden. So, and you know,

1747
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 2: in lieu of this too, one of the things they're

1748
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 2: looking at is just saying, okay, well, property taxes are

1749
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 2: a mess. Why don't we just get our money from

1750
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 2: income taxes?

1751
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 6: Well, schools, you know, and schools have the ability to

1752
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 6: place before their voters and income tax. That's that's been

1753
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 6: around for a number of years now, and a number

1754
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 6: of school disticts have done it. Perhaps that is a

1755
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 6: somewhat viable for schools, But township they have no ability

1756
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,479
Speaker 6: to do income tax. Libraries have no ability to do that.

1757
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 6: The zoo is no ability to do that. Your mental

1758
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 6: health and developmental disability services don't, Your senior citizen services don't.

1759
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 6: So the income tax for schools is a partial solution

1760
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,840
Speaker 6: and one that might be looked at because remember, we

1761
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:03,719
Speaker 6: have reduced the state income tax over the last twenty

1762
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 6: five years from north of seven percent down to the

1763
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 6: current level of two point seven five percent. We have

1764
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 6: the lowest state income tax rate of any of our

1765
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 6: sister states here in the Midwest, and so because state

1766
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 6: income taxes have gone down, maybe maybe the voters in

1767
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 6: these school districts might buy it's propitious to have a

1768
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 6: local income tax. Personally, I think income taxes are worse

1769
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 6: than property taxes. But that's just me, okay, you know,

1770
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 6: and we have to consider that it's not a complete

1771
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,720
Speaker 6: solution for the reasons I just gave. So many jurisdictions

1772
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 6: dependent on property tax cannot do an income tax. In fact,

1773
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 6: they don't want to. We are doing township no interest

1774
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 6: in doing an income tax. When I was on that

1775
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,480
Speaker 6: board for seven years in the nineties.

1776
01:25:57,439 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 2: Both sites on one file question here on the budget

1777
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 2: commission powers, we talked about the budget Commission come in

1778
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:07,160
Speaker 2: and that they balance committee. They have the authority to

1779
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 2: reduce what are you calling unnecessary or excessive levees with

1780
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 2: respecting voter intent. But these are the local We talk

1781
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,759
Speaker 2: about local control all the time. This is the ultra locals.

1782
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 2: The definition of local control is that voters approve these levees,

1783
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 2: specifically because they trusted the taxing entity's assessment of need.

1784
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 2: How do you balance that with what's happening here?

1785
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 6: Well, what we've done, okay. The legislation that the General

1786
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 6: Assembly passed said that the Budget Commission, consisting of the

1787
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 6: County Treasurer, the County Auditor and the county prosecutor can

1788
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 6: reduce the millage of any levee that they find to

1789
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 6: be unnecessary or accessive. They never defined unnecessary, they never

1790
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 6: defined accessive. That means you could have eighty eight different

1791
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,759
Speaker 6: standards across the eighty eight different counties. They also said

1792
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 6: they also failed to say that the Commission has to

1793
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 6: keep hands off at least for a period of time

1794
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 6: after that levy is passed by the voters, because to

1795
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 6: do otherwise is basically to flap the voters right in

1796
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,840
Speaker 6: the face saying you were too stupid to vote for

1797
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,360
Speaker 6: We're going to undo what you just voted for. And

1798
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 6: so what we did on our task force is we

1799
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 6: came up with a good type definition of unnecessary and

1800
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:21,720
Speaker 6: a good type definition of excessive in both cases provided

1801
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 6: by our County Auditors Association statewide, and we said the

1802
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 6: Budget Commission cannot reduce levies for the first five years

1803
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 6: after they initially passed, or for the first two years

1804
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,960
Speaker 6: in the case of a renewal. And so there'll be

1805
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 6: that pulling off period, because how wealth are you going

1806
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 6: to know whether it's excessive or unnecessary until it plays out,

1807
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 6: see what I'm saying. So we're trying to Again, this

1808
01:27:49,080 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 6: is an example scot of where we're trying to refine

1809
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 6: what the legislature has done. We're not trying to say

1810
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 6: forget it, don't do it. We're simply saying there's going

1811
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,560
Speaker 6: to be a few bells and whistles, a few guardrails

1812
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 6: around these new and expanded powers of three county wide

1813
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 6: officials to exercise control over school levees and township levees

1814
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 6: and park levees that they have nothing to do with.

1815
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 6: So you know, we're just trying to balance that against

1816
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 6: the will of the voters, is what we're trying.

1817
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 2: Well that that is indeed the billion dollar question, because

1818
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, this is going man. There's a lot

1819
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 2: of moving parts of bill. Sites laid out and eloquently

1820
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 2: of course, as always too, but lots we don't understand.

1821
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 2: And I'm hoping that gets sorted out during a debate

1822
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 2: on both sides of this in the Senate of the House,

1823
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 2: and the Governor's going to have a say in this

1824
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 2: thing too. So what is the timeline before this shakes out?

1825
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 6: Well, I know the House and Senate our team to

1826
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 6: do something definitive before the end of the year. There

1827
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 6: is nothing that can be done that would provide any

1828
01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 6: relief prior to the second half twenty twenty six property

1829
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 6: tax bills. That's just a matter of timing. You can't

1830
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 6: do anything. My focus would be how do we fix

1831
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 6: the system going forward rather than trying to recreate history

1832
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 6: by going backwards. And so, you know, I mean, is

1833
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:13,879
Speaker 6: this a problem, yes, and we should fix it going forward,

1834
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 6: And that was what our group recommended. Mostly of our recommendations.

1835
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 6: We had a great group. It was a county auditors,

1836
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 6: it was school superintendents, it was county commissioners, county treasurer.

1837
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 6: You know, we had the mayor, we had a mayor

1838
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 6: in there, a couple of business people in there. So

1839
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,839
Speaker 6: it was a good balanced group of people that actually

1840
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 6: are in charge of implementing the whole property tax system.

1841
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 6: And so their expertise really was great and guided us

1842
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:47,000
Speaker 6: very very strongly in the work we did. We met

1843
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:50,760
Speaker 6: every week for two months, every Thursday, for at least

1844
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 6: two hours at a time, and heard from a lot

1845
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 6: of folks that got a lot of written testimony, a

1846
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 6: lot of oral testimony, and at our best way through

1847
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:04,639
Speaker 6: it on that very short timeline that Mike DeWine gave us.

1848
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 6: He gave us till September thirty.

1849
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you too, right, and turn that in.

1850
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 2: What's going to happen now is the great debate will

1851
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 2: continue here in pieces of this and we'll get debated

1852
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:18,720
Speaker 2: and I'm sure we'll discuss this in the future too.

1853
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's been an interesting few months for you,

1854
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 2: I know, co chairing this group. Anyway, he's built sites

1855
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 2: of Green Township. Thanks again for coming on the show,

1856
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:26,599
Speaker 2: appreciate it.

1857
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 6: Happy to be with you better.

1858
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 2: I'm working on that. You work on the property text

1859
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 2: how's that?

1860
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1861
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:34,639
Speaker 1: There you go?

1862
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 2: Alright, I got a feel in my foot. It's going

1863
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 2: to be better before we figure out property texts. That's

1864
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 2: your damn sure. Anyway, let's get a news update in.

1865
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 2: Did that confuse you? Probably did. It's a lot going

1866
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:47,560
Speaker 2: on there and a lot of millages and uh clawbacks

1867
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:51,759
Speaker 2: and levy structure changes and words like unnecessary and excessive.

1868
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 2: Kind of makes your head swim. But the good news

1869
01:30:54,320 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 2: is this will get the parceled out in pieces and

1870
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 2: will debate each way, each element of this at some

1871
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,759
Speaker 2: point to figure out why property taxes are so screwed

1872
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: up and how we can get some sanity back to

1873
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 2: what we pay Scott's loan show seven hundred WW.

1874
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,600
Speaker 1: All right, Homestretch, are slow to here? Seven hundred WLW.

1875
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,799
Speaker 3: Headed into the lunch hour of mid afternoon, be chopping

1876
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 3: it up with your boys or perhaps your girls are

1877
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:19,719
Speaker 3: both Regarding yesterday's debacle at pay Court Stadium, Detroit comes

1878
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 3: in thirty seven to twenty four to the final, and

1879
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:24,600
Speaker 3: that score in history will look a lot closer.

1880
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 2: Than it really was. Bengals now on a three game

1881
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 2: heater in the wrong way. They dropped to two and three,

1882
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 2: and they traveled to Green Bay next. It's gonna get you.

1883
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 2: Thought Detroit was bad, You're going to Green Bay? How's

1884
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 2: that gonna work out? He's James Rapine, Sports Illustrated, Bengals

1885
01:31:39,640 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 2: Talk dot Com and of course locked on Bengals joining

1886
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 2: the show every Monday morning.

1887
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,240
Speaker 1: It's good to have the band back together. James, How

1888
01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:45,679
Speaker 1: you been.

1889
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:48,719
Speaker 8: Better than Jake Browning?

1890
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 7: How have you done?

1891
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: Wolf?

1892
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:54,679
Speaker 2: Twenty six of forty two hundred and fifty one yards,

1893
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 2: three touchdowns, three picks for a quarterback rating of are

1894
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:03,200
Speaker 2: you sitting down seventy six point five at the last check?

1895
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 2: That is eight interceptions that might count this season.

1896
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's bad. And those numbers don't

1897
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 8: do it justice, it really don't. I mean, he those

1898
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 8: were juiced up numbers that looked really passable outside of

1899
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 8: the interception, and it was kind of the other way.

1900
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 8: It's for the first three quarters of this game. It

1901
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 8: was unwatchable, not passable, not average, unwatchable, and he was

1902
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 8: awful and no one knows it more than him. And

1903
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 8: so I'll give Jake credit there, but that doesn't really matter.

1904
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:42,160
Speaker 8: It's wins lost his performance based and that felt really

1905
01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:47,560
Speaker 8: like the pre Joe Burrow Bengals when they were embracing

1906
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,680
Speaker 8: the tank for Joe Burrow and that's not where this

1907
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,000
Speaker 8: team is supposed to be. So yeah, it was really

1908
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 8: really poor play from Jake Brown.

1909
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 2: And we'll get to that with the defensive play. But

1910
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 2: it's still at halftime. They you know, hit that field goal, well,

1911
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 2: fourteenth three, it's still doable. You look at it going up.

1912
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:08,280
Speaker 8: They're not out of this, sure they weren't. They weren't.

1913
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,080
Speaker 8: And then Jake rough it through an interception on the

1914
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:13,639
Speaker 8: second play from scrimmage in the second half. I mean,

1915
01:33:14,040 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 8: you're right, though, like they a lot of what they

1916
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 8: set out to do. The game kind of played out

1917
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 8: that way. They didn't get gashed on the ground by

1918
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 8: this Lions offense that could really run the ball. They

1919
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 8: gave up some plays, of course, but you're going to

1920
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 8: against the Lions, but it wasn't so bad that you

1921
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 8: couldn't hang with them if you were rolling out a

1922
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 8: competent offense and they just weren't. And I don't think

1923
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 8: it's all on Jake. I think a lot of it is.

1924
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 8: I do think that Zach Taylor's right, there's plenty that

1925
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 8: should fall on him as well. But this offense is

1926
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 8: just costing this team games right now because they're not

1927
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 8: They finally scored in the fourth quarter, so we can't

1928
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 8: say they're not scoring. But my goodness, nineteen drives without

1929
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 8: a touchdown, eleven quarters and sixteen points before that fourth quarter.

1930
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 8: It's just unacceptable.

1931
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:05,600
Speaker 2: Jake Browning said, I didn't play well. I need to

1932
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 2: play better. Is there time for him to play? But

1933
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 2: can he play better? I mean, this seems like this

1934
01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:11,679
Speaker 2: is peak Jake Browning.

1935
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,639
Speaker 8: They shouldn't he shouldn't get the opportunity to play better

1936
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 8: because they should have added a quarterback a few weeks ago.

1937
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 8: Like night bead everywhere, and people kind of rolled their

1938
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 8: eyes like here we go, James, Like, yeah, of course

1939
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 8: I do, because I knew that this was a possibility.

1940
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 8: You don't know how Jake's gonna play because he was

1941
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 8: good a few years ago, and by good, I say

1942
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,680
Speaker 8: that close because he was passed the ball a few

1943
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 8: years ago and he's been downright bad. And you don't

1944
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 8: have another option. You didn't give yourself that that type

1945
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 8: of put yourself in that type of situation. And so now, yeah,

1946
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 8: it is going to be Jake, and he is going

1947
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 8: to start a game screen Bay and I'd be shocked

1948
01:34:50,120 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 8: if anything else changed in that in that department as

1949
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:57,560
Speaker 8: far as this week. But the Bangles still need to

1950
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:02,360
Speaker 8: give themselves another option just to to provide watchable football

1951
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 8: if nothing else, because yesterday was unwatchable for three quarters.

1952
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:11,599
Speaker 8: And had they gotten just competent quarterback play, well, who knows,

1953
01:35:11,640 --> 01:35:13,960
Speaker 8: maybe they give the Lions all they can handle at home.

1954
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 8: Right they're two and three.

1955
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 2: Okay, but you know, hindsight is always twenty twenty. I

1956
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:22,960
Speaker 2: said last week, like I'm not buying, Hey, we'll go

1957
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 2: get Russ Wilson, We'll get Jameis Winston. We'll get kirk

1958
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 2: Cousins and fix this. Last week the defense was equally

1959
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 2: as bad. This past weekend, the defense looked passable. They

1960
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:36,600
Speaker 2: looked a lot better. They're getting some they're getting the

1961
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 2: edge rush going, their pass rush. Their defense overall pretty good. Now,

1962
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 2: maybe that tune has changed somewhat. I think that's fair.

1963
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 2: You look like a savon for saying this, But I

1964
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 2: was going to Okay, So last week you get Russ Wilson,

1965
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 2: let's say, and you give up a lot of draft

1966
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 2: capital for him. Great, So now you'll lose by two

1967
01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:57,680
Speaker 2: touchdowns instead of eight. You still lose. Why give that up?

1968
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 2: But if the defense is going to show up to

1969
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,600
Speaker 2: the party, maybe that's a winnable game. Maybe you have

1970
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:06,639
Speaker 2: something there. But based on the quarterbacks available, kirk Cousins

1971
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:09,560
Speaker 2: may be the best one there. But who knows what

1972
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 2: they're going to want for him, that's the other question.

1973
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 8: Sure, and so a couple of things. One, the Bengals

1974
01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 8: would not trade for kirk Cousins, and it's because of

1975
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 8: his contract. His contract is just brutal. I mean, you

1976
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 8: do ten million dollars on the third day of the

1977
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 8: new league year. Next year, it's just too much money.

1978
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,840
Speaker 8: And this isn't me defending the Bengals.

1979
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 1: And how they too much money.

1980
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 8: You go to no team should trade for Kirk contin

1981
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 8: They just shouldn't. Yeah, but Russell Wilson for a six

1982
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 8: sixth Brown picks. The reason why I was saying it

1983
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 8: last week wasn't for a game at home against the

1984
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 8: Lions or even this week against Green Bay, but it

1985
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 8: was for that that division game against Pittsburgh on a

1986
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:56,720
Speaker 8: short week where you do have to win that game.

1987
01:36:56,760 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 8: Regardless the Green Bay game from the standing stand point matters,

1988
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 8: but it's an NFC opponent. It's not a huge deal

1989
01:37:05,160 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 8: when it comes to winning and moving. You have to

1990
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:08,680
Speaker 8: be Pittsburgh if you want to hang in it. Yeah,

1991
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 8: And so that's what that would have set you up for.

1992
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 8: And now you have, as we sit here, two games

1993
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 8: in ten days from now, and you're gonna have to

1994
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 8: get that second game, and it's just it's gonna be tough.

1995
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:23,760
Speaker 8: I'm not saying Jake can't do it. I'm not saying

1996
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 8: that he can't play well, or is that can't coach

1997
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 8: better and put him in a better position, But my goodness,

1998
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 8: does it feel like it. You know it would be

1999
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 8: much better if they had a better option. I'm not

2000
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 8: saying mortgage in the future, by the way, Scott, but

2001
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 8: just give up a little something to give a little

2002
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 8: something so you have another option.

2003
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 7: All right.

2004
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:43,719
Speaker 2: So he played what three games a cup of coffee

2005
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 2: I think, and against the Church. But the in the

2006
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:48,760
Speaker 2: sample size we have, he's souls thrown. I'm looking at

2007
01:37:48,760 --> 01:37:51,799
Speaker 2: it right now. Three interceptions the regular season, three tuddies,

2008
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:54,719
Speaker 2: three interceptions. What does he get you that, Jake Browning

2009
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 2: isn't getting you?

2010
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 8: Well, he to me, would gets you, would move the ball.

2011
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:06,960
Speaker 8: I mean, Jake Browning, Well put it like this, Jake Browning.

2012
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:10,120
Speaker 8: In the Bengals they scored a touchdown against the Vikings

2013
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 8: and garbage sean it was to Drew sample and then

2014
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 8: yesterday their touchdowns game in garbage time. All of the

2015
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:19,799
Speaker 8: touchdowns that they've scored so far in the Jake Browning

2016
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 8: era have come when the.

2017
01:38:21,240 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 7: Game is already over fourth quarter, and.

2018
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,800
Speaker 8: In that yeah, I mean it's the Vikings game was

2019
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 8: over in the first half, and the game yesterday was

2020
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 8: over really by that first drive of the second half

2021
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 8: when Browning throes that interception in the lines, go score.

2022
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 8: So I just won I think he's better. He's certainly

2023
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:42,640
Speaker 8: more physically. Get that. I'm not here to tell you,

2024
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 8: Russell Wilson is it's twenty fifteen, Russell Wilson. But I

2025
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 8: think any of these guys that you name from a

2026
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 8: football standpoint, Kirk Cousins, I think Jameis Winston would be someone.

2027
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 8: Russell Wilson. Who knows that Andy Dalton available in Carolina?

2028
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,720
Speaker 8: I don't know, Probably not, but I I wouldn't be

2029
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 8: against going down that path there. They just put themselves

2030
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 8: in this corner. And the downside is, had they done

2031
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 8: it a few weeks ago, maybe they get it for.

2032
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 7: A little less.

2033
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 8: Right now, the league knows that they could use a

2034
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 8: quarterback and desperately need one, and so maybe that asking

2035
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 8: price did go up.

2036
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: Possibly Let's Go would cost more than a sixth rider.

2037
01:39:24,320 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 10: I don't know, if you're the Giant, do you want

2038
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 10: to keep Russell Wilson around, or you're okay giving up

2039
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 10: a you know, I mean you're one and four, yeah,

2040
01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 10: you know, Jameis Winston and Russell will I think they

2041
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:36,400
Speaker 10: give up one of those guys that they knew they

2042
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 10: could get a sixth round pick or a conditional fifth

2043
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 10: or something like that.

2044
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:42,519
Speaker 1: Okay, James repene on that though too. How much of

2045
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 1: this is all?

2046
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 8: Right?

2047
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 2: Jake Browning is terrible, but it's not like the O

2048
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 2: line is going to light it up for Russell Wilson

2049
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 2: all of a sudden either.

2050
01:39:49,080 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 6: No.

2051
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 8: No, they're a flaw football team, horrible, and so how

2052
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 8: how can you how can you alleviate some of these flaws?

2053
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:58,600
Speaker 8: Like if there was a guard out there that I

2054
01:39:58,640 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 8: thought would come in and just be an awesome guard

2055
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 8: or an offensive tackle or center like any of it.

2056
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 8: I just I don't really see it out there, and

2057
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:11,080
Speaker 8: I don't know who could be available, because teams loved

2058
01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 8: having offensive line debts for obvious reasons and aren't aren't

2059
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:18,160
Speaker 8: necessarily willing to move them this time of year. No,

2060
01:40:18,200 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 8: it's it's tough because you're right, it's not just Jake,

2061
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 8: it's not just Zach, and it's not just the offensive line.

2062
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:28,679
Speaker 8: But when you mix all those together, it has been

2063
01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 8: really bad.

2064
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 4: Now.

2065
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,919
Speaker 8: I think the offensive line was a bit better yesterday.

2066
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,160
Speaker 8: There were still still some plays Orlando Brown Junior on

2067
01:40:34,200 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 8: the police clicker, that play gets blown up, But I

2068
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:41,680
Speaker 8: do think that overall, they gave Jake a chance for

2069
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,400
Speaker 8: the better part of last week in Denver and then

2070
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 8: certainly yesterday, and he just made some some really really

2071
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:48,680
Speaker 8: poor decisions.

2072
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and watching just you know, Chase Orlando broncamp move MEM's.

2073
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 2: Have you got a couple of rookies in there playing

2074
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:56,040
Speaker 2: like rookies, and you know, the run game has been

2075
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:59,120
Speaker 2: a mess simply because you know, Chase Brown is struggling.

2076
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 2: How much is that Chase Brown and how much of

2077
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:02,799
Speaker 2: that has to do with what we're talking about.

2078
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:09,040
Speaker 8: Here, It's an interesting question. I still think that it

2079
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:11,280
Speaker 8: has more to do with the offensive line, slash run

2080
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 8: game and scheme than it does Chase Brown. But I

2081
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 8: did it, I did all the frustration that comes with it.

2082
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:20,519
Speaker 8: I don't think the Bengals went into yesterday thinking they

2083
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 8: were going to run the ball like crazy. Are a

2084
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 8: good friend and former Bengal DJ Readers on the other side,

2085
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 8: and he's really good against the run, and that defensive

2086
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 8: front for the Lions is good. So I think the

2087
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:35,639
Speaker 8: Bengals thought that they would have to throw it early

2088
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:37,800
Speaker 8: and often to win yesterday, and I think that was

2089
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:41,599
Speaker 8: their mindset going into the game. And while they threw it,

2090
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,000
Speaker 8: they just threw it too many times to the other team.

2091
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one thing we don't talk about a lot

2092
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 2: is and we talk about ownership, and we talk about

2093
01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin and they're inability to go get guys in

2094
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:52,720
Speaker 2: the off season, just kind of standing Pat, hey, we'll

2095
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 2: let it ride.

2096
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 1: And it doesn't work that way in the NFL.

2097
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 2: You have to continually sharpen that edge otherwise you're going

2098
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:00,439
Speaker 2: to fall behind quickly. As we saw the season. Cost

2099
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:03,479
Speaker 2: is QB one for well, let's call it the entire season.

2100
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,679
Speaker 2: This season is not going to be salvaged. No one's

2101
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:08,600
Speaker 2: going to come riding in on their white horse, be

2102
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:12,000
Speaker 2: it Russ Wilson, a miraculous cure for Joe Burrow or whatever,

2103
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:15,000
Speaker 2: Jake Browning all of a sudden figuring out how not

2104
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 2: to throw an interception. How much of this is on

2105
01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:20,840
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor. Other organizations I would feel probably at this

2106
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 2: point would have moved on from Zach Taylor. Not here

2107
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati.

2108
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 8: Well, let's use Zach Taylor's words. He to put this

2109
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 8: on me, and I do think a lot of it's

2110
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,599
Speaker 8: on him, because hell yeah it is in the first half.

2111
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:36,080
Speaker 8: I'm just going to look in the first half, when

2112
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 8: the game's hanging in the ballance, how many like easy, obvious,

2113
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 8: clear throws did Jake miss? And then how many was

2114
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,679
Speaker 8: he given? And I think it's a mixture of both.

2115
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:51,639
Speaker 8: But when you're the offensive play caller and you score

2116
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:56,959
Speaker 8: zero touchdowns in nineteen straight drives, when you score sixteen

2117
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 8: points and eleven quarters of the Jake Browning era arted

2118
01:43:00,240 --> 01:43:03,320
Speaker 8: by Zach Taylor's here a big reason why, just to

2119
01:43:03,320 --> 01:43:07,600
Speaker 8: maximize the offense. And I've watched other backup quarterbacks have

2120
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 8: far more success than Jake Browning, and that's up to

2121
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 8: Zach Taylor to give him some easy buttons and some

2122
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:18,760
Speaker 8: easy throws and some easy options on a team, and

2123
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 8: then on an offense, it's not like they're thrown to

2124
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,680
Speaker 8: you and me like they have real weapons, and so

2125
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:25,679
Speaker 8: you should be able to take advantage of those weapons,

2126
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,600
Speaker 8: even with the offensive line, even with Jake Brunning a quarterback.

2127
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:32,880
Speaker 8: And so, yeah, Zach Taylor, I think his seat is

2128
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:36,000
Speaker 8: getting hotter by the day. I don't necessarily think that

2129
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 8: a change would come mid season or anything like that,

2130
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 8: because I don't know if they would ever seem that

2131
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 8: as something that's actually going to help them moving forward.

2132
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:50,560
Speaker 8: But I do think that he's going to have to

2133
01:43:50,920 --> 01:43:53,760
Speaker 8: rally this team and win some games here, and they

2134
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 8: can't just go, you know, four and thirteen in him

2135
01:43:58,000 --> 01:44:00,080
Speaker 8: expect to be back next year. I don't think that

2136
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:01,960
Speaker 8: that's a realistic expect And that's.

2137
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:03,680
Speaker 2: That, and I will all that on a positive I

2138
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:05,759
Speaker 2: thought Jamar Chase had a pretty good game all aside,

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Speaker 2: you know, with six of one hundred and ten yards

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Speaker 2: two touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I will point out, I believe.

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Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, James wasn't he three for

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Speaker 2: three on tackles on all three j Jake brown Nicks,

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Speaker 2: He's the guy who brought the guy who intercepted it down,

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Speaker 2: so he was good on defense too.

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Speaker 8: He's they're probably their second best corner behind act In,

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Speaker 8: their best receiver, uh In, the best receiver in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, maybe he can coach up Cam Taylor Britt.

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Speaker 8: What that's what sucks is that's how great Jamar is.

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Speaker 8: And and there are gonna be a lot of people

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Speaker 8: that hear this, Scott say will just tank and it's

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Speaker 8: like it's hard to look twenty five year old Jamar Chase,

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Speaker 8: who's the best on the planet at what he does,

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Speaker 8: and say, hey, let's hang. Do you know that's really

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Speaker 8: really tough to do because it's only week six.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: He's James Rapine. We'll talk after the Green Bay game.

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Speaker 2: You thought Detroit was bad, You're on the road at Lambeau.

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Speaker 2: Let's see how that works out. Three game losing streak

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Speaker 2: for the Bengals. He's James Orpeen Sports Illustrated, Bengals Talk

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Speaker 2: dot Com. Of course Lockdown Bengals. Always appreciate the chats

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Speaker 2: on Monday. Thanks again, Thanks God, appreciate Take care. How

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Speaker 2: are you feeling about your Bengals now? How many days

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Speaker 2: the opening day? That ain't good? That ain't good? Scott

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Speaker 2: Sloane Willie on the way right after news. Home of

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