1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: This is the Mark mannon show call now eight three 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: three four one two WXDX. We want your take on 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: the scatter bow thing at the WBE show. And could 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: the Pirates really have a chance to sign Kyle Schwarber 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: passing saying that just insults everybody's intelligence unless you're really stupid. 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: Uh. 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Those offensive stats for Chicago one hundred and forty six 8 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: point six yards rushing per game, four point nine yards 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: per carry. That's monster stuff with the running games, so 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: it ain't gonna be easy. The Steelers are two and 11 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: a half point dogs last time I looked, and I'm 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: surprised the numbers that low. I don't know what to 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: make a Caleb Williams. His passing numbers are man not 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: too bad. He can run the ball some and he 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: looks the part. I think he's going to be an 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: excellent NFL quarterback. I think he shows flashes now, but 17 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: he's not quite there yet. And then after this game, 18 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: Buffalo visits acrashuer Josh Allen. That's going to be a 19 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: ring of ding dong dandy not least if the Steelers 20 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 1: beat Chicago, the Steelers need to get six takeaways. 21 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: Well, that would help. 22 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: Chicago is plus sixteen in takeaways, number one in the NFL. 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: They've committed twenty two takeaways, that's number one in the NFL. 24 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: Fifteen interceptions, that's number one in the NFL. I was 25 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: gonna pick the Steelers, but I'm talking myself out of 26 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: it little by little. Now, I do believe Rogers protects 27 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: the ball very well, protects the ball better than Caleb Williams, 28 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: protects the ball better than Mason Rudolph. That could mean 29 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: a lot uh in a battle of takeaways. But teams 30 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: that rely on takeaways, boy, that's a slippery slope because 31 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of luck in with those, as the 32 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: Steelers know all too well. I am at Marino's American 33 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: Eatery in Greensburg for that Steelers game on Sunday, watch 34 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: party one pm kickoff. 35 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: I love Westmoreland County. 36 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: And then after I want to watch Cleveland at Vegas, 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: assuming Shaudor Sanders gets to start at quarterback for Cleveland, 38 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: which seems likely with Dylan Gabriel having been concussed and 39 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: Shaudor will be making the start after getting snaps in practice. 40 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: You're happy, Josina, and I bet he still sucks. And 41 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: then on Saturday, I'm at Shiloh Clayton Poor. I'm at 42 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: Washington for a River Hauns watch party noon kickoff USL 43 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: Championship game. It's for all the marbles. That's at Shiloh, 44 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: Playton Poor. I'm at Washington and I'll be there at 45 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: ten am as well for Liverpool. 46 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: And Noddingham Forest. But don't talk to me. Don't you 47 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: dare talk to me. Don't you dare disturb me. That's over. 48 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: I want to get stuck into all that absolute horseman 49 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: or Passon said about the Pirates. 50 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: What makes it worse is Passon's. 51 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: Usual credibility, his rep because Passon knows, he knows the 52 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: Pirates won't get Kyle Schwarber. He knows they're not serious suitors. 53 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: Schwarber wants north of thirty million, which Notthting won't pay. 54 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: He ain't gonna pay Skeen's that. You think he's gonna 55 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: pay Schwarber that? What if he paid Schwarber that and 56 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 1: then Skeen's left, and people would say, well, why didn't 57 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: you give Skeens that? The safest thing to do is 58 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: to pay neither, which is exactly what the pirates will do. 59 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: And even if Nutting would pay Swarbur what he wants. 60 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: Why would Schwarbur want to come to a losing team 61 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: like Pittsburgh at thirty two for his last big deal 62 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: and last big run in MLB he won hundred percent? 63 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: Would not for Passing to suggest that is irresponsible. There's 64 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: no reason to think that remotely logical or possible. But 65 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: Passing reported it and got all the Bucco rubs all 66 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: worked up. 67 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: So passes a stooge. 68 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: People saying, well, passion, why would he stooge for the 69 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: Pirates Because it's easy content, because you feel like you 70 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: got to say something about every big league team, and 71 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: this is easy content to spew about the Pirates. I mean, 72 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: Schwarber to the Pirates, come on, come on, that's just 73 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: not gonna happen. 74 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: Now. 75 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: I'm more intrigued in the Steelers in Chicago. The game. 76 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: It's really a coin flip to me, two teams that 77 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: depend on takeaways. But like I said, what if there's 78 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: no takeaways period? It could be a six to three 79 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: game because takeaways can certainly dry up. And I'm talking 80 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: to myself, and to think it's starting Rogers is the 81 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: way to go, even with the bummy wrist because he 82 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: does protect the ball. So you got both teams relying 83 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: on takeaways. You got the Rogers subplot with him being hurt, 84 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: the Bears leading. That's super tough division, but maybe that's 85 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: Fool's gold and Baltimore sneaking up on the Steelers. All 86 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: that is tangible. All those are topics to be taken seriously. 87 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: Schwarber to the Pirates is not the Pirates DFA and 88 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of guys today, including the reliever Colin Holderman, 89 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: who really, you know, started off promising but showed his 90 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: true collers, namely red, white and suck. There's probably a 91 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: better joke in there somewhere like black and suck sucking gold. 92 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. 93 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna say our long national nightmare is over, 94 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: but let's face the Pirates have plenty of pitchers still 95 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,559 Speaker 1: on the roster that are as bad as or worse 96 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: than Colin Holderman. Like I said, we want your calls next. 97 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 1: If not, we'll find something to fill the time. We 98 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: got great guests today, Mike the Course, he joins me 99 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: at three thirty, Paul's Ice and four PM. Former Penguin 100 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: Tyler Kennedy at four thirty. It's the park Man Show 101 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: one oh five. 102 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: Nine from the Seaton Hill University Traffic Center. Schedule your 103 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: campus visit today. This report is sponsored by I've Been in. 104 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: Love with Me and this is just your moment of clarity. 105 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: Oh, I know, so the exit one. 106 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: I met a guy today and he called me a 107 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: sports talk out law and I'm like, what what? 108 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,559 Speaker 2: What does that mean? That sounds like an La Gun song. 109 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm a hard man to find, I'm an easy man 110 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: to please. Really into La Guns lately, And one young 111 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: lady said she was a big fan of my cat, Clipper, 112 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: but she wouldn't take Clipper when I offered to give 113 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: Clipper to her. I'm just kidding. Clipper's definitely listening. I 114 00:06:54,720 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: leave the radio on Clipper Clipper. Let's go right to 115 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: the phones. Let's go to Scott in the van. Scott, 116 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: what's up. 117 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: I just wanted to make a comment about pirates and 118 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 4: Schwarber right that the pirates will never go for him 119 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 4: because what are they gonna do with Captain booboo face 120 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 4: if they get him? And effectively and Andrew mccutchen's career. 121 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 2: That's a real good point. 122 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: Although the usual suspects are saying Schwarber could play right 123 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: field at PNC, Well, what about the other eighty one 124 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: games where you gonna stick the fat ass? 125 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: Then? So you're right. It would end mccutchen's career. 126 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: And I think they see more value in McCutcheon at 127 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: his price as a mascot than they would paying thirty 128 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: million dollars for Schwarber. 129 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: Agreed, Let's go to Michael. Michael, you're all with. 130 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 5: Double m H. 131 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: Good day, I said, good day. 132 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 5: Longtime listener, first time calling. 133 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: Though. 134 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 5: The thing I wanted to talk about was Aaron Rodgers. Right, 135 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 5: I'm originally from Chicago, Okay, And Aaron Rodgers he owns 136 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 5: the Bears wooms, he literally owns booms. Yeah, I mean 137 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 5: he never loses to the Bears. 138 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I said, his record, what is it like? 139 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: Twenty five and six and sixty four touchdowns to ten interceptions. 140 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: But I'm a big believer that each game is a 141 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: separate occurrence and what he did there with Green Bay. 142 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: Against Chicago doesn't necessarily apply here. 143 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: And this is a what how many years has it 144 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: been since he played the Bears? If he did with 145 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: the Jets, I don't remember, but yeah, his numbers are great. 146 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much weight to give that when 147 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: it comes to kickoff on Sunday, but it could. 148 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 5: Be a Flaco type of a thing. You know Tomlin 149 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 5: still you know Flaco beats Tomlin. 150 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he did this past Sunday. 151 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 5: Well that's that's true. But you know, I was just 152 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 5: thinking of the game before that. But anyway, with the 153 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 5: with the Bears, I mean, he always he tends to 154 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 5: put it into their face too, he brubs it in 155 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 5: and so I think he really wants to play this game. 156 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 2: That's really I think Aaron Rodgers. 157 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I give the guy and thank you for 158 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: the call. I give Aaron Rodgers full credit. He wants 159 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: to play every game. I mean, we talk about guys 160 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 1: being a competitor and that's cliched, but it definitely applies 161 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers, and I have mad respect for him. 162 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: You know, wanting to practice tomorrow, I mean, the easiest 163 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: thing to do would be the way till Friday and 164 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: practice under the guys of having that risk her, but no, 165 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: he wants to get ready and and get the team ready. 166 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: So again, the way Aaron Rodgers has conducted himself since 167 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: getting to Pittsburgh has been exemplary and I admire him 168 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: for it. 169 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: Let's go to Patrick Patrick growing double. 170 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: M save US one sixty six? What up? What? I 171 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 3: give no credence to the uh, the news on Schwarber 172 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 3: or the rumor, because the only way the Pirates have 173 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: a chance to sign that dude is if they preemptively 174 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: signed a couple more bats to proceed that. Why would 175 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 3: Schwarber want to come to this team without that in place? 176 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 2: Oh that's a really good point. That's a real good point. 177 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: To even realistically have a remote chance to sign Schwarber, 178 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: you would have to show him something before it put 179 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: pen to paper. I mean to me, if I'm Schwarber, 180 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: I'd say, you want me signed schemes to at tend 181 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: year deal because then I'll know you're serious. 182 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, And what real impact is he going to have 183 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: if nobody's on base to score runs? 184 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? 185 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: What fifty six home runs last year? It'd come here 186 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: have fifty six home runs and eighty RBI. 187 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. 188 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 3: Real quick, on Mason, where do you think his head's at? 189 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 5: Liken? 190 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 6: Get? 191 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 3: Can you give me the pulse on him? 192 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: Like? 193 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 3: How bad do you think? 194 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, Mason it only met him once briefly 195 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: years ago. I think he's resigned to just being a backup, 196 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: not least here in Pittsburgh. I mean, he came back 197 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: here even though he has to know that Tomlin just 198 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: doesn't have the faith in him he should, especially after 199 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: Rudolph you know, won those three games at the end 200 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty three season and his reward for 201 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: it was being allowed to leave, you know, being turned loose. 202 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: So uh, I think Mason knows what he is. 203 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: I think that he has nothing to be ashamed of 204 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: career wise. I think he's maximized just about every opportunity 205 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: he's gotten. Let's go to Nick, Nick, you're all with 206 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: double m hey. 207 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 5: Mark Pershudo answered that question why would Schwarber want to 208 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 5: come to Pittsburgh earlier, and I think he came up 209 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 5: with a pretty good answer. He said that Schwarber would 210 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 5: want to. 211 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: Come to Pittsburgh because they have a real deal pitching staff. 212 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 7: They wouldn't take much for us to win. 213 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: Right right, right? 214 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: How long are they going to have a real deal 215 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: pitching staff? How long is it going to happen? How 216 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: much longer will the schemes be here? 217 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: Well? 218 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 7: Until he can get traded to the Yankees. 219 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: Scheme is going to be here one more year. Schwarper's 220 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: not going to sign a one year deal. He's going 221 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: to sign a make good deal for mega years. I mean, 222 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: come on, be smarter than that. 223 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 7: I'm just saying with PURSUITO said, I liked it, but 224 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 7: here's what I thought. 225 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: What's gonna happen, and he should be smarter than that. 226 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 5: Nothing is going to make an offer for schwarbur that's respective, 227 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 5: but understanding he's not gonna get them. It's going to 228 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 5: be one of those well we're trying to put money 229 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 5: out there, but they're not coming. 230 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: Well, that's like the Dalton Seattle. 231 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: But then again, if you put money out there and 232 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: nobody comes, that's an indictment of where your team's at 233 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: and what your intent is known to be, which in 234 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: this case is to make profit and not win. Let's 235 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: go to Chris. Chris, real quick, mister Madden, good day, 236 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: I said, good day. 237 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 5: The thought that. 238 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 7: I've been chewing around, I want to spit at you 239 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 7: real quick. 240 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 8: See what you thought? 241 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 2: That's lovely. Go ahead. 242 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 7: So the defense. We've already established that the defense lives 243 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 7: and dies by the turnover. Right right, So Mark quick 244 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 7: for you anyways, why hasn't there been more spotlight shed 245 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 7: on the fact that our top like our most expensive 246 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 7: defense in the NFL is ranked second with eighty one 247 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 7: missed tackles this year. Why is that? 248 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: Because that that precludes the myth that the Steelers are 249 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: the Steel Curtain and based on tough defense. Everything that 250 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 1: the Steelers used to be based on they betray now. 251 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: But nobody wants to shed the myth. That's why, simple 252 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: as that. But you're right, they're tackling is is awful. 253 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: The only thing the only thing good about their defense, bro, 254 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: is flash plays. The only thing good about that that 255 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,599 Speaker 1: d is sacks and takeaways. 256 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: That's it. Thank you for the call, Jake, real quick. 257 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 8: Yeah, I just wanted to say, Mark to everyone out 258 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 8: there saying we're flip flopping all year. The takeaways have 259 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 8: been the key to winning this year from the defense, right, 260 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 8: We've been consisting on all year with the pass the 261 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 8: Colts and even this week, living and dying by that. 262 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 8: It's not healthy for a football team. And you're not 263 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 8: gonna make anything. 264 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: It's a slippery slope. It's a slippery slope. 265 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: You will never get enough takeaways consistently to be a 266 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: legitimate contender, and you're never gonna get, you know, any 267 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: kind of takeaways against good teams in the playoffs. You 268 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: have to actually go and win the game in the playoffs, 269 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: not having gifted to you. Thanks for the call the 270 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: course up next one oh five to nine. 271 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: This is Doug Gottlieb. Here's what's trending from the Iheartsports 272 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: Network President by Joe Ball gmc well. Aaron Rodgers pushes 273 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 2: to play with this broken risk. 274 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 9: The Steelers are optimistic and running back Jalen Warren will 275 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 9: play Sunday against Chicago. Over to college basketball, it rolls 276 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 9: on tonight when Dukane host Ullyola Maryland. The Dukes are 277 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 9: looking to rebound from their loss to Villanova at twenty 278 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 9: times Grand Slam. Champ Roger Federer. He was elected to 279 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 9: the International Tennis Hall of Fame today. It was his 280 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 9: first year of being eligible. Hop Scott David said. 281 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: Save up to twelve house old. 282 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: He got a young Trophy, White owes money to I 283 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: can't even quote the big o'boski right, goodbye. 284 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: T exit one oh five nine. 285 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: Oh and Andy and Andy Andy robertson, I'm going to 286 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: be Scottish for the World Cup. I think they drink 287 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: and they have good songs. Joining me now from the 288 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: Sporting News. Always great to talk to Pittsburgh's on Mike 289 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: de Corsi. Mike, before we get to the Steelers, a 290 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: couple of topics I want to skim. Did Penn State 291 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: make a mistake firing James Franklin and how do you 292 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: think he's going to do it Virginia Tech? 293 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 6: Even though I don't have great hope for his virgin 294 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 6: the Tech situation, it's just the ACC is a difficult 295 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 6: league to win in now, and it's also a difficult 296 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 6: league to make a huge impact. Like I think he'll 297 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 6: do fine. They'll be a better They'll be better than 298 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 6: they were under Brent Prye, and I think that's the 299 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 6: first priority. But I don't think that that's going to 300 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 6: resonate nationally. It's a lot of schools that are a 301 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 6: lot alike that somebody's going to win the league and 302 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 6: make the playoff and everybody else is probably going home. 303 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 6: He may get them to that level. He's an excellent 304 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 6: coach and excellent program builder. I still believe Penn State 305 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 6: made a mistake in doing this. Yes, because the odds 306 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 6: of upgrading over James Franklin aren't great they are. There 307 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 6: are there some coaches out there that might be an upgrade. 308 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 6: Could you get lucky in the old Tom Brady in 309 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 6: the sixth round kind of situation? Sure, but I don't 310 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 6: believe in firing somebody over and narrative and yeah, like, okay, 311 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 6: so the number is real, but it becomes a narrative 312 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 6: because people harp on it. Yes, they were four and 313 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 6: twenty one against top ten teams, okay, but what were 314 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 6: they against everybody else? And who where? What was in 315 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 6: the number out of that top out of that twenty 316 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 6: one win twenty one losses? Excuse me? I think nine 317 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 6: or ten of them were against Ohio State. You know 318 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 6: who else lost to Ohio State? Everybody. That's just how 319 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 6: it is. Ohio State was better than than Penn State 320 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 6: and for this century has been better than them for 321 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 6: most of the time. So I don't think that Penn 322 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 6: State should fire their coach because Ohio State is better 323 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 6: than them. 324 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: Jeff Passing the ESPN said the pirates are going after 325 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: Kyle Schwarber is passing out of his mind to report 326 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: that is just irresponsible. 327 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 6: Well, I think It depends on how one reports it. 328 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 6: If one puts it in the context of it's you know, 329 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 6: I am going after a half a billion dollars by 330 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 6: playing the power ball, that's that's reality and so, but 331 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 6: it also shows how implausible it is that I'm going 332 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 6: to win a half a billion dollars. The situation that 333 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 6: happened with Josh Naylor is a perfect example of what 334 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 6: the Pirates are up against. Do they want to go 335 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 6: out and spend a little more money, sure, but are 336 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 6: they going to over pay? Probably not. And so Naylor 337 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 6: they offered supposedly, according to these reports, eighty million dollars 338 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 6: over however many years, and the Mariners came up and 339 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 6: outbid them. And that's going to happen almost every time 340 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 6: because they don't have Mariners income, and they certainly don't 341 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 6: have Yankees or Dodgers or Phillies income. So if the 342 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 6: Phillies decide they want to bring Kyle Schwarber back, let's 343 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 6: just say the Pirates. I don't even know what the 344 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 6: number would be, right, So let's just say the Pirates 345 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 6: offer him forty five million dollars a year. If the 346 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 6: Phillies want it back, they'll offer him forty eight and 347 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 6: it'll be over. That's just that's the reality of the 348 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 6: Pirates situation. 349 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: And I can't help but thinking, Mike, the Pirates make 350 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 1: an offer to guy like Naylor, no one, they're not 351 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: gonna have to pay it off, and they get their 352 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: name in the headline in a somewhat positive way. 353 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 2: Oh well, at least we tried to spend more money. 354 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, there's there's some truth to that, one hundred percent. 355 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 6: But it's also when you look at their reality, I 356 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 6: mean it's I try to tell people that baseball talent 357 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 6: is like fine art, and the market for fine art 358 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 6: is like if you want a van Go, I mean, 359 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 6: you know you're not getting it because there's a lot 360 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 6: of richer people out there who can afford it more 361 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 6: than you can. I mean, you can afford the van 362 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 6: Go copy. I got one, but I can't afford a 363 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 6: Van Go. And that's that's the Pirates compared to most 364 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 6: of the people in their in their league. And so 365 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 6: I think that what has to happen is they have 366 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 6: to commit to paying the great players that they have 367 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 6: in house. And of course we know what that means. 368 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 6: That means Paul Skeens a year or two from now. 369 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 6: They have to commit to that, and if they don't, 370 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 6: then how seriously do you take anything they do? 371 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and whether Skimes would would willing to commit back 372 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: I have graved. 373 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: Dots, Well he doesn't. 374 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 6: I'm talking about the RB years. He doesn't have threet that. 375 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: Right, No, And I don't think the Pirates will even 376 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: want to pay what he gets awarded there. 377 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 3: Now. 378 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: I want to get to the Bears and Steelers, Mike, 379 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: because that's an odd matchup business. It's two teams that 380 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: rely on takeaways more than any other teams in the league. 381 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 6: I think the difference is that the Bears at least 382 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 6: know what their direction is. They have some young receivers. 383 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,159 Speaker 6: Romadenze from Washington played in the National Championship Game a 384 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 6: couple of years ago, has had some nice games. They've 385 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 6: got the quarterback that they believe in in Caleb Williams, 386 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 6: and he's made some very impressive plays and some not great, 387 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 6: not great decisions along the way, and that's kind of 388 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 6: a part of being put out there as quickly as 389 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 6: he was. And so I think they know what they 390 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 6: want to be, whereas the Steelers are still in the 391 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 6: process of trying to work through getting to that point. 392 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 6: They want to win where they are, but what they 393 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 6: really want to be is a year from now, if possible, 394 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 6: they want to have their own Caleb Williams. 395 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: Do you buy the Bears at the top of the 396 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: NFC North right now and you buy the Caleb Williams. 397 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,199 Speaker 6: Well, I don't think they're the best team in the 398 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 6: NFC North, and I think that they showed in the 399 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 6: Ravens game that they are beatable. I mean they that 400 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 6: that was a Ravens team that was not led by 401 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson and still was able to beat them. So 402 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 6: I think Williams is a talent. I think that I'm 403 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 6: not a big fan mark of putting a rookie out 404 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 6: to play immediately. I know that ben it worked here, but. 405 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: I alsoback correct. 406 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, quarterback, yeah, other positions, Yeah, I was talking strictly quarterback, 407 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 6: other positions, whatever, But at quarterback. I think that more 408 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 6: often than not, the best quarterbacks are allowed to watch 409 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 6: and observe and then maybe towards the end of their year, 410 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 6: whether it's because of an injury as was the case 411 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 6: with Lamar Jackson that took out Flaco and he had 412 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 6: to play, or because the games don't matter anymore, and 413 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 6: it's now okay, now you've been out there for ten 414 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 6: weeks in practice, you can get a look those kinds 415 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 6: of things. Fine, but you give the guy the starting 416 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 6: job like they did with Tennessee and cam Ward on 417 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 6: day one on a bad team, and what do they learn? 418 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 6: They learn how to be bad. So that Williams is 419 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 6: still trying to fight his way back a little bit 420 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 6: from that. Uh, And they and what's around him is 421 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 6: not elite, but their schedule has broken a certain way 422 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 6: and they've taken advantage of a lot of those opportunities. 423 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 6: Like like I said, they really should be eight and two. 424 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 6: They got off to a great start against the Ravens 425 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 6: and then just dissolved. So I do I think they're 426 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 6: the best team in that in that division. No, but 427 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 6: they could certainly win that that division if they continue 428 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 6: to take care of business in the way that they have, 429 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 6: and for them, that would be Including Sunday. 430 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: We're talking to Mike the course of the Sporting News. 431 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: He's brought to us by South Hills Kia. South Hills 432 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: Kia has the ride and price for you, Mike, Who 433 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: would you start, Mason Rudolph one hundred percent or Aaron 434 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: Rodgers with a broken wrist. It looks like it's going 435 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: to be Rogers for sure right now. 436 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 6: Well, I think it totally depends on Rogers demonstrating that 437 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 6: he's not compromised, and so it's it's not just a 438 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 6: question of patting him and all of that sort of stuff, 439 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 6: so that so that reinjury is unlikely, he has to 440 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 6: show that with that padding uh and with whatever discomfort 441 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 6: still finds its way through that that he is still 442 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 6: as capable as he was. And ideally he shows he's 443 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 6: as capable as he was in week four or five, 444 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 6: not in these past couple of weeks when he wasn't 445 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 6: very capable at all. The one thing that I saw 446 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 6: in Mason Rudolph when he came in Mark was an 447 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 6: energy like he was over the last couple of weeks. 448 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 6: I've gotten the feeling in watching that that Aaron Rodgers 449 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 6: is fighting his protection more so than okay, all right, 450 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 6: dealing with it like Okay, that guy's coming from the left. 451 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 6: I got to move to the right. It's that guy's 452 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 6: coming from the left again. And you know, I just 453 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 6: with Rudolph, it was like, Okay, whatever's happening. I got 454 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 6: to deal, and I got to cope there. Look, every 455 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 6: offensive line, you want to have a clean pocket on 456 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 6: every drop back. But if that were the case with 457 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 6: the Steelers have had five sacks against the Chargers two 458 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 6: weeks ago. They didn't have a clean pocket on every 459 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 6: drop back. He went down five times, and a couple 460 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 6: of them might have been at garbage time, but there 461 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 6: were still the three that warn't or so and he 462 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 6: still won the game. He still made enough plays to 463 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 6: win the game. You've got to cope with that from 464 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 6: time to time that you get this pressure from this 465 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 6: angle or that angle, and you either move away from 466 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 6: it and extend the play and make something happen, or 467 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 6: in some cases, you just got to take the lumps 468 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 6: and then go on to. 469 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 7: The next play. 470 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 6: And what the Steelers have done really well I e 471 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 6: excuse me, really poorly, Mark, is take that lump and 472 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 6: then go on to the next play. Them them in 473 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 6: third and long is really difficult. They very rarely convert, 474 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 6: and we saw them do that once or twice on 475 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 6: Sunday when Mason came in. We saw them throw a 476 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 6: swing past the game well that he turned into a 477 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 6: big first down. We just haven't seen that very often 478 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 6: from this team, no matter who's been at quarterback. 479 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 1: No, I bind all of that, and long story short, 480 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: I think Rudolph is better in the pocket right now 481 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: than Rogers. I think Rogers dumps out of plays too quick, 482 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: and I think that'll even be more so with a 483 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: bum wrist. But I will say, yeah, Rogers protects the 484 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: ball that's important against this team, and he's got that. 485 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: Guy that could win a close game. 486 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 487 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 6: I mean, like I said, like through seven, eight weeks, 488 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 6: whatever it was, all of us were happy with the 489 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 6: way he had. 490 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 2: Performed up till the LA game. 491 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean that. 492 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 6: Was the start, and he wasn't very good. Again, I 493 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 6: don't think he was as poor in that first half 494 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 6: before he got injured. I don't think he was as 495 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 6: poor in that game as he had been against the Chargers. 496 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 6: But it still wasn't the right direction. After the initial 497 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 6: drive that seemed like okay, LA's over, he's back, it 498 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 6: started to go back in the direction that you're talking about. 499 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 6: He just wasn't comfortable with his protection. When when there 500 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 6: was any leakage at all, he seemed to get frustrated. 501 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 6: And again, I just don't think that you can play 502 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 6: with a what is I consider to be, essentially, with 503 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 6: the exception of Sayamalu, a rookie offensive line and expect 504 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 6: that you're going to have a clean pocket all the time. 505 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: What did we like about. 506 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 6: Ben back in the day. He was running around all 507 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 6: over the place because sometimes his offensive line wasn't good enough, 508 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 6: but he made it not matter. 509 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: I think that Rudolph and and Rogers is a legitimate debate. 510 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: I mean, whatever they decide. If it's Rogers, I get it. 511 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 5: Uh. 512 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 2: But the one that I disagree with. 513 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: Vehemently, assuming it happens, if Slay's healthy, Commin says he's 514 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: going back in in place of Pierre, how could you 515 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: possibly do that? Every single metric you can look at, 516 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: not to mention the eye test. 517 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,439 Speaker 2: Mike says that Slay's sucks. 518 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 6: He has not been good at all, and that was well. 519 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 6: Prior to the injury. He had been one of the 520 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 6: major problems in the secondary. The biggest problem was at safety, 521 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 6: at free safety in particular, that was where the biggest 522 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 6: problem was. But Slay had really struggled and Pierre was 523 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 6: fantastic on Sunday against the against the tandem of receivers 524 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 6: primarily Chase, but the tandem from time to time, that 525 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 6: the Steelers had gotten completely blown away by a couple 526 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 6: of weeks earlier, and that they've had problems with for 527 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 6: years dealing with and he completely dealt with that and 528 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 6: was very rarely beaten. I mean, no cornerback is going 529 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 6: to have a perfect record, but you want to keep 530 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 6: those those big plays to a minimum, and he was 531 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 6: almost never beaten in that game. I was concerned going 532 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 6: in that after sort of supporting the elevation of Brandon 533 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 6: Eckels in slaves into slaves, and then we saw that 534 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 6: happen by partially by necessity, and then Eccles really struggled 535 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 6: in l A. I worried that the same would happen 536 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 6: to James, who had been good in limited opportunities this year. 537 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 6: I worried that he would take the same course as Echoles. 538 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 6: And not only did he not take that course, uh, 539 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 6: he took like he would. He became Ike Taylor. He 540 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 6: became a guy that was really controlling things in the 541 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 6: second here. 542 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: Oh wait, I thought you many couldn't read well. 543 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 6: No, No, I meant I'm no, And I didn't mean 544 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 6: he dropped every potential interception. I Ike was an elite 545 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 6: cover Colory, No question, that's the you know. I every 546 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 6: now and then I still call it that. When when 547 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 6: somebody has a clear opportunity to intercept the ball, I 548 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 6: call it an Ike Taylor interception. Uh, you still disrupted 549 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 6: the play and and they didn't get a completion, but 550 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 6: the interception didn't happen. 551 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 5: Uh. 552 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 6: But what I what I would do, What I think 553 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 6: he's meaning is face Slay will have a role, and 554 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 6: he may start, but you can't Pierre out after what 555 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 6: he did, especially when you go on the road to 556 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 6: a team that's got multiple targets. If you do that, 557 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 6: you're basically asking to get eaten. 558 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: Mike, Mike, I'll cut the line a little a little 559 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: more strictly. I wouldn't give Slay a helmet if you 560 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: have enough guys. I mean, he's been that bad. He 561 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: really has been, which he's been. My question about the 562 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: defense with with Ramsey at safety, I think he's done 563 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: really well. But I'm also surprised you didn't get suspended 564 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: a game along with Jamar Chase for that incident. How 565 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: do you think Ramsey's playing in safety and is he 566 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: the main catalyst on that defense right now? 567 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 6: His he and Dougar being placed at safety. I think 568 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 6: Deshaun Elliott is a tremendous run support me too, but 569 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 6: I'm you know, the coverage thing is still not his strength, 570 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 6: and that was not the strength of the group in 571 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 6: general because of Slay and some other things that were 572 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 6: going on. And so I love the idea of having 573 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 6: Dugger and Slay back there. Excuse me, Dugger and Ramsey 574 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,959 Speaker 6: back there. I think they've made a tremendous difference in 575 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 6: how effective the Steelers are in past coverage. I think 576 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 6: that's been the big but that's been the biggest thing. 577 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 6: But Slay has been the key part of that, because 578 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 6: Elliott was at least passable of what you were playing 579 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 6: at free safety before was absolutely not. And I think 580 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 6: the fact that thorn Hill has since been sent home 581 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 6: tells everyone that I was right all along that they 582 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 6: needed a safety. They just happened to decide that they 583 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 6: had one on their roster and they were going to 584 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 6: move Ramsey there. I think it's been a huge change, 585 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 6: and I don't think he should have been suspended. He 586 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 6: was ejected from the game. It was a second personal 587 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 6: foul penalty. I understood why the refs didn't see the 588 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 6: spitting incident, because there was somebody out there and I 589 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 6: don't know who it was, some guy it might have 590 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 6: been from the I think it was from the Bengals sideline, 591 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 6: but not one hundred percent shore. But there was some 592 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 6: person that wasn't really authorized to be out there, who 593 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 6: was where an official might ordinarily be. So I think 594 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 6: that person blocked the view of Actually I think he 595 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 6: might have been out there because the timeout was called, 596 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 6: so he might have been authorized in that sense. The 597 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 6: timeout was called, so he was on the field, and 598 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 6: so he was blocking the view that the official might 599 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 6: have been able to use to see what transpired between 600 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 6: Ramsey and Chase, and so I understood why they didn't 601 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 6: see it. I think they did the right thing. But 602 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 6: under no circumstances should Ramsey have been punished further given 603 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 6: what transpired. 604 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: Mike, you hit the essence of talk radio just a 605 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: few seconds ago. You said I was right all along. 606 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: That is the key to this business, being able to 607 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: say that, especially when it's true. But even if it's not. Hey, 608 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: great stuff. We'll do it again next week. Enjoy the football. 609 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 6: Thanks Mark. 610 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 2: That's Mike. 611 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: The course of the Sporting News brought to us by 612 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: South Hills, Kia. 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