1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: Give WR Obre said on the iHeartRadio app. 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,159 Speaker 2: To hear Mark Simone and all the WR hosts in 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: an instance. Now back to the Mark Simon Show on 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: wor Well. 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: You know, there's been a lot of books about Johnny Carson, 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: but nothing like this. The Definitive Ultimate Johnny Carson book 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: came out last year. I urge you to get it. 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: It's the greatest book ever on Carson. It's uncovered everything 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: you could ever know about him. It's called Love Johnny Carson. 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: It's by Mark Malkoff. He also does the Carson Podcast. 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: There's about four hundred episodes you can listen to with 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: anybody and everybody who was ever involved with the Tonight Show. 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: But get the book, Love Johnny Carson, by Mark Malcoff. 14 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: You won't be able to put it down. And he's 15 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: with us now, Mark Malkoff, how you doing. 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: Mark, I'm doing great. 17 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 3: Nice to Tasch you again. 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: Hey. The Oscars last night made me think of Carson. 19 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: He has been how many years was the Oscar host? 20 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: Many years? 21 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: It was four or five years. Is the only Oscar 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 2: host in the history. No teleprompter, no que cards. He 23 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: memorized everything, the opening monologue, he would edit the jokes 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: in his head depending on how he did with the 25 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: crowd with each joke. I mean that guy was on 26 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,279 Speaker 2: a different level as a host, probably the greatest Oscar 27 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 2: host of all time. 28 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, he did that with the Tonight Show. You know, 29 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: got like Jay Leno had to work on the monologue 30 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: to get the jokes in just the right order. But Carson, 31 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: You're right, the Tonight Show would just jumble up jokes, 32 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: move them around, switch whatever you had to do. 33 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: Uh. 34 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: And I think the only hoster ever that do that right. 35 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: Everyone else had the Q cards. 36 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was at Johnny was effortless. I 37 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: mean he had a phote, he took a photograph, a 38 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: memory class. 39 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: And he could learn. 40 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: He learned Russian, he learned Swahili, he took Spanish classes 41 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 2: and between shows in Las Vegas. I mean the guy 42 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: was unbelievable in terms of his intellect. 43 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, now you should get the book Love Johnny Carson, 44 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: and the book is wonderful. You're gonna love Johnny Carson 45 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: even more when you read it. But we've had you 46 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: on a number two. We never talked about the bad stuff. 47 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: I thought we did just well during the New York years. 48 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: He was a big drinker and apparently a lot of affairs, cheating, 49 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: not just him but the wife too. 50 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: Correct that's true. 51 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: I mean Johnny would talk on this Tonight show about 52 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 2: how we struggled with drinking. It was one of those 53 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: things in New York where he was so famous. He 54 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: would go into a restaurant or a bar and people 55 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: would constantly be sending over drinks, and he tried to 56 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: be polite, take a sip, and he was a lightweight. 57 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 2: So after a few drinks, as Carson acknowledged, he would 58 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: turn into Attilla the Hunt. And in the spring of 59 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one, Johnny was at Jillies on fifty second 60 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: straight world famous Jilly Sinastra territory. He was with Ed 61 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 2: McMahon and Ed's manager Robert Coe, and Carson had way 62 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: too much to drink, and mobster Joey Gallo had just 63 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: gotten out of prison after serving a decade who was 64 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: locked away just got out. As at Jilli's, Gallo is 65 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: with his girlfriend, goes to the bathroom, gallow does and 66 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: Johnny unfortunately didn't remember this because he was drunk, but 67 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: he did something highly inappropriate to gallow his girlfriend. Jilly 68 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 2: Rizzo told Ed get Carson the blank out of here, 69 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 2: which he did. And then Gallo came back and discovered 70 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: what Carson did, and he put a hit on Johnny's life, 71 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: and two things happened. One, Carson wisely got his good 72 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: friend Frank Sinatra to intervene. Sinatra knew Gallo, he knew 73 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 2: some of the mafia figures. So Sinatra sat down with 74 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: gallow they need a favor, and he said, anything, I 75 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 2: need you to leave Johnny Carson alone. And Galo got 76 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: really upset, but he said, you tell Carson the only 77 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: reason he lives and breathes is because he knows Frank Sinatra. 78 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: And then the second thing is NBC. Carson was twenty 79 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: five percent of NBC's profits at one point, and to 80 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: appease the acting mafia don in New York City Joe Colombo, 81 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: NBC News they aired a positive story in nineteen seventy 82 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: one on Joe Colombo and his Italian American Civil Rights 83 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: League for no reason. I mean I watched it with 84 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: my own eye. 85 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: And you don't mean they ran a piece during the news. 86 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: I mean they created a primetime special. 87 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: For this right they did it was with prime time 88 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: because they would have higher ratings. They were really worried 89 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: about this and it aired in prime time and I 90 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: look at that and I was like, it was just 91 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: why would they do this? And they just, you know, 92 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 2: Carson was their cash cow. I mean, he was the 93 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: most important person to the network and then Bob Hope. 94 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: So they did that, and that was how Johnny was 95 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: able to keep his life. I mean he would go 96 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: to the Copa cabana and Jerry Vale was opening up 97 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 2: the Copa and Carson again, two drinks and he was gone, 98 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: and it was it was he ruined Jerry Vale's entire 99 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: premiere and Carson Jerry Vale's Carson apologized for decades. 100 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: Show. 101 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, you just did not want to be around Johnny. 102 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 2: But he would talk about it on the Tonight Show. 103 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: We talked about it with Mike Wallace. 104 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: It was a struggle of his really didn't get a 105 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 2: hold of it until nineteen eighty two after he got 106 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: unfortunately arrested for drinking and driving, and three months prior 107 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: on the Tonight Showy was warning people you do not 108 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 2: want to drink and during the holidays, and then three 109 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 2: months later, of course, Johnny, but it was a struggle 110 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: of his and then obviously the marriage is married. 111 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: Four times he would talk about the struggles. 112 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 2: But yeah, unfortunately in nineteen this has also happened in 113 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one, Johnny. This was wife number two, Joeanne, 114 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: who was the one that really convinced Johnny to take 115 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: the Tonight Show because Johnny and everybody said, don't you 116 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: don't want to take over for Jack part, No one's. 117 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: Going to succeed. 118 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: So she, unfortunately had caught Carson in some compromising situations 119 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: with women, and she wanted to make Carson jealous. So 120 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 2: she was going on the weekends to race card races, 121 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: race car she loved race car driving. She started having 122 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: an affair with Peter Revson, a race car driver, a 123 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: playboy race car driver who's the heir to the Revlon throne. 124 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: That's what the media said. Carson found out she had 125 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: a secret apartment and he had a private investigator who 126 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: you were actually friends with. Joy. Carson was crying when 127 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 2: he found out that Joe Anne was cheating on him 128 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,679 Speaker 2: and changed the locks on their apartment and it was over, 129 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: and it was a really really sad thing. But you know, 130 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: Carson just I mean temptation with the ladies. He couldn't 131 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: turn it down. He didn't turn them down very often. 132 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. So so he's cheating with other women and she's 133 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: going away every weekend to go watch races. But yeah, 134 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: is that smart that your husband's a cheater and you 135 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: leave them alone on the weekends? 136 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: That I don't know about that. 137 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: It was one of those things where Johnny, for whatever reason, 138 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: and men of his generation thought it was totally fine 139 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 2: for the husband. There was nothing they would say, it 140 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: was nothing emotional about it, just physical. But if their 141 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: wives did it for whatever reason, it was like the 142 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: worst thing that they could possibly do. But yeah, Joanne 143 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: was probably not smart about that. And then she of 144 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: course moved to California and moved with Truman Capodi, who 145 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: also has neighbors with Johnny and. 146 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 3: The un Plausa. Can you believe this? 147 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: Bobby Kennedy, Truman Capoti, David Suskin, Angela Lansbury, Yule Brenner. 148 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: I mean, it was just a cavalcade of talent in 149 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: this one place. And then yeah, Truman Capodi in White 150 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: Number two moved to la and they lived there until 151 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 2: they passed away. 152 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that un Plaza back in nineteen sixty four 153 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: sixty five. That was the premier apartment building of New York. 154 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 3: It really wise. 155 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: I mean it was that's where Johnny met Sonny Werblin, 156 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 2: who owned the New York Jets, who became his business partner, 157 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: and they opened the clothing line and made Johnny a 158 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: rich ben. 159 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: Wow. Now, hey, get the book. Most of it is 160 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: positive and Johnny. 161 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 3: Carson, if you had to take exactly that's true. 162 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: Wonderful guy. We're just focusing on the bad stuff here 163 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: first because we never got to it before. And there 164 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: were people that got themselves banned from the Tonight show 165 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: because Johnny would have a problem with him. 166 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: Right. 167 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: You know, I counked to four hundred people when I'm 168 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: talking to people that were on the very first show, 169 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: like mel Brooks, to people that were you know, one 170 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 2: of the last guest in nineteen ninety to, so you 171 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: have thirty years of people. The one thing Carson did 172 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: the test it was rudeness, especially to his staff. And 173 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: he was, you know, from Nebraska, and he was very 174 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: much about having good manners. And Jerry Lewis was really 175 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: rude to Carson's staff. Carson said, he is never coming back. 176 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: He would not tolerate rudeness. He would not tolerate comedians 177 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: coming on for that we're debuting that did material that 178 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: might offend his audience. So unfortunately, Ellen DeGeneres on her 179 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: third appearance, did an offensive joke that Carson asked her 180 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 2: not to do, and she did, and she was banned 181 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: on the show from the show. So there were a 182 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: bunch of people, maybe like thirty people that were not 183 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: welcomed on the show anymore. I mean, William Shatner was 184 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: somebody that wouldn't let Johnny get a word in, and 185 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: Johnny detested that, and then Shatner turned his back to 186 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: Carson to talk to the previous guests, Buddy Hackett, and 187 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 2: then Shatner back then, you weren't allowed to believe it 188 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: or not. You remember that you weren't allowed to say 189 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: what network your show was on unless it was NBC. 190 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 2: They say on another network, And of course Shatner says, 191 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 2: watched me Saturday nights on ABC TJ. 192 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: Hooker. 193 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 2: So Johnny basically said, three strikes, you're out, and we 194 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: go into everyone that was banned and. 195 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 3: Why they were banned. 196 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: Rich little to this, almost to this day would he 197 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: asked me, why do you know why I was banned, 198 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: and I was able with my reporting to figure that 199 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: out why these people were gone from Carson Show, and 200 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: even his friend Carl Sagan, the famous astronomer. Unfortunately, after 201 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: ten or twelve appearances, was banned from the show. 202 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he remained friends with him. He'd still go 203 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: to dinner with him. 204 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 3: He did. 205 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, he interrupted Carson twice during a segment to correct him, 206 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 2: and it was very abrupt, and Johnny was embarrassed and 207 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: thought it was poor manners. 208 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: And he never had him on. 209 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: He did stay friends with him, you know, he would 210 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: have dinners with Carl Sagan, He would Jim Fowler, the 211 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: wildlife expert. He went to San Diego to see the 212 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: animals with Joana Embery at the San Diego Zo. Just 213 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: a really really interested man in how things work. He 214 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: really loved New York. I mean he pitched to Mickey 215 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: Mantle in nineteen sixty two on the Tonight Show. He 216 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: played with the jets at the Polo Grounds. He was 217 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: diving out of planes. I mean, Mark, you and I 218 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 2: talk about Johnny in the New York years. Unfortunately most 219 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: of that footage is gone. But Johnny was on a 220 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: different level, jumping out of the airplanes racing an Indianana 221 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: motor speedway with Hernelli Jones going over one hundred miles 222 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: an hour. 223 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: It's a really really fun thirty years to look at. 224 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: Well, it's a great book. I urge everybody to get it, 225 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: the new book, and it's got all kinds of great 226 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: things about Johnny Carson and everything you never knew about him. 227 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: It's fascinating. It's called Love Johnny Carson by Mark Malkoff. Now, 228 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: for those are gonna write to me, what was the 229 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: name of that place? Love Johnny Carson by Mark Malkoff. 230 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: Get the book. You're gonna love it. And listen to 231 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: the Carson Podcast. He's got four hundred episodes that are amazing. 232 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: But get the book, Love Johnny Carson, Mark Malkoff. It's 233 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: on Amazon. Mark Malkoff, we'll do it again soon. Thanks 234 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: for being with us. 235 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: I would love that. Yet. We have some new episodes 236 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 2: coming out and always good talking to you. 237 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 3: Mark. Thank you so much. 238 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: All right, take care, Hey, don't forget. Curtis is now 239 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: on the Morning show Curtis and Larry Curtis Lee, Larry Mint. 240 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: It's every morning six to ten, seven ten, WR