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Speaker 1: Ben Geslin Star Tribune, Star Tribune dot Com covers the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings and beat riding like Fashion, and here he

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Speaker 1: is what you think of the Super Bowl and good morning?

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Speaker 1: Good morning? Yeah? It was uh.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if people want a high scoring game, it

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Speaker 2: wasn't much of that, but it was kind of I

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Speaker 2: thought it'd be closer. I thought the Patriots would figure

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Speaker 2: out some things to keep it closer. But that defense,

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Speaker 2: which has been a lot of the reason the Seahawks

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Speaker 2: are in this position, certainly made itself felt throughout the night.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know that that group, when you're able

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Speaker 2: to make it that hard for Drake made to work

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Speaker 2: downfield in the zones where he's not able to find

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Speaker 2: much time to get anything, and they're able to get

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Speaker 2: pressure with four. I mean, that's that's a formula we've seen.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Drake May's predecessor lost super Bowls with that.

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Speaker 2: The Giants were able to get home with four and

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Speaker 2: then we're able to keep people back in coverage. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I remember that that underfra undefeated Patriots team at O

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Speaker 2: seven lost because of that.

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Speaker 1: Justin tuck Ocumanjora, Michael Strahan is Qwanuka Bank nailed it. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the middle pressure, that's right, yep. So I mean we've

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Speaker 1: seen that. I mean, that's it's not a cheat code

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, but when you can do that, it's

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Speaker 1: as close to, you know, a go to, unbeatable strategy

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Speaker 1: as you can find. And the fact that they were

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Speaker 1: they threw blitzes in there too. The one that caused

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Speaker 1: the I guess they call it an interception in the end.

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Speaker 1: I mean that was one where they got the kid

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Speaker 1: probably saying I need to throw hot here and he

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Speaker 1: didn't and they got him on that one. But a

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Speaker 1: lot of it was being able to get home and

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Speaker 1: make him have to sort things out through zones. And

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Speaker 1: that defense has been elite all year and they showed

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Speaker 1: up at the biggest moment possible. Was it was it

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Speaker 1: one of the most boring big games you've witnessed.

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Speaker 2: You know, I guess there's there's different ways to look

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Speaker 2: all of the different ways they're coming up with to

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Speaker 2: shut this offense down.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've always been a defensive film watching job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, it's It's one of those where I think

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Speaker 2: the longer you look at it, and obviously for as

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Speaker 2: and the intricacies of what they're doing become really fascinating

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Speaker 2: there's never been a shutout in the Super Bowl. This

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Speaker 2: would be I mean, this would be historic. I think

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Speaker 2: the closest that anybody's come was. There's been a couple

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Speaker 2: of times where teams have been held to a field goal,

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Speaker 2: most recently the Rams against said Forre's defense against the

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Speaker 2: Patriots I think the year after it was here back

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Speaker 2: them to go downfield. I also, I mean may had

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Speaker 1: I didn't think about that. Yeah, so May had a

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Speaker 3: It was even I think it was even reported the

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Speaker 3: I saw something that he may have received a shot.

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Speaker 3: So did he get a tour it all thing or something?

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Speaker 1: That day, my man had nose zip on his path,

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Speaker 1: when I'm watching that, because we've seen him throwing up.

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Speaker 2: that easy one when they were backed up against the goal?

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Speaker 3: Yea for you.

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Speaker 1: I think it was a tight end that got a loose.

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Speaker 2: Behind everybody yarder, yeah, or if he probably gets caught

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Speaker 2: It would have been a question of how quickly did

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Speaker 1: And he just over he threw it over threw him

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Speaker 1: I like looking at Ben's face when he knows he's

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Speaker 1: of the least arrogant people that I've ever met. But

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Speaker 3: Uh this was a game where you know, into it

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Speaker 3: it was kind of like, yeah, I mean the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: How do you do you look at these games in.

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Speaker 3: Terms of, yeah, this this is a boring result in

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Speaker 3: The Seahawks all around had the best roster into the thing.

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Speaker 3: But but the boring became intriguing to watch the Patriots

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Speaker 3: all of that, to look as impotent at times as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you see a team play at that level

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Speaker 2: because it's the same general manager drafting them. I mean,

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Speaker 1: The Super Bowl sixty to a certain extent obviously higher

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Speaker 1: I mean, their defense did every single thing it possibly

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Speaker 1: But eventually the elasticity will stop stretching, and we're doing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was definitely some of that where it's okay,

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Speaker 1: And you'll see it on the sideline.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes guys are going around trying to encourage people to

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Speaker 1: Welcome back the how did you let Sam Darnold leave

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Speaker 1: the building narrative? Nationally? It's loud, what say you? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a loud nett.

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Speaker 2: It is loud, and I think it's one of those

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Speaker 2: he played, and I think the fact that he got

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Speaker 2: the contract he got was we talked about this on

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Speaker 2: our podcast last week. He's like the eighteenth highest paid

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Speaker 2: him just eighteen Yeah. Yeah, it's gotten really expensive sign

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Speaker 3: So is that based on just like his thirteen million

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Speaker 3: or was it the AAV of the thirty thirty.

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Speaker 1: Five no value?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, yes, I think the average annual value is

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Speaker 3: So PA has done this in the past, just kind

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Speaker 1: Matty Thomas, Hey, Maddy t Welcome, Matta Thomas. Stott Thomas.

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Speaker 3: No, Matt Thomas was the vice president of football ops

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Speaker 1: Is Rob grinding film.

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Speaker 2: Rob is probably grinding a little more film than he

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Speaker 3: And he has his binder somewhere, just twenty five years

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Speaker 1: Is that going to work? I think all of those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was one of those confidants for Kevin O'Connell,

439
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Speaker 2: and he was one of those people that O'Connell would

440
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Speaker 2: kind of consult for a last check on the game plan.

441
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Speaker 2: I mean, you've lost a couple of those guys, so

442
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Speaker 2: obviously have West Phillips in the building. You know a

443
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Speaker 2: number of other offensive staff members Kean maccardo that have

444
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Speaker 2: been here for a long time that he can kind

445
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Speaker 2: of lean on as well. But and I think Frank

446
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Speaker 2: Smith is going to be a big piece of this

447
00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,200
Speaker 2: that goes forward in terms of a guy that Kevin

448
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Speaker 2: O'Connell can say, Hey, what do you think of this?

449
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Speaker 2: What do you like for this opening fifteen? What do

450
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Speaker 2: you think in this red zone situation? He will be

451
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Speaker 2: somebody that gets involved. But losing Brian Angelico, losing Grant

452
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Speaker 2: Yudinsky last year, I think Grant Ydinsky, I certainly think

453
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Speaker 2: was his absence was felt pretty significantly in that offense,

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Speaker 2: both with his work with quarterbacks and just his voice

455
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Speaker 2: in that offensive discussion as a whole. Brian Angelico leaving,

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Speaker 2: I do think creates another void. Frank Smith probably becomes

457
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Speaker 2: a part of how they fill that. But yeah, I

458
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Speaker 2: think it's a fairly significant loss that they're going to

459
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Speaker 2: have to I mean, it's not just getting another tight

460
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Speaker 2: Ends coach, it's who takes those voices, who becomes kind

461
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Speaker 2: of that board of directors speak for O'Connell.

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Speaker 1: Franks Bett's part of that.

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Speaker 2: West Phillips is part of that, but I think he

464
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Speaker 2: likes having another voice or two in there. And there's

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Speaker 2: lots a couple of trusted when over the last couple.

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Speaker 1: Of years Angelico and McCarthy worked with Rogers in Green Bay. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Aaron supposedly exited the twenty twenty five season in good spirits.

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Speaker 1: Does Aaron return to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: It seems like there's a possibility of that happening here,

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Speaker 2: which is really interesting to me because it seemed like

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Speaker 2: when that ended in Green Bay that they were not

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Speaker 2: on great terms. And maybe absence makes the Hardcrow fonder,

473
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Speaker 2: and they both struggled a fair amount independent of one another.

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Speaker 2: So AFC North may be more winnable for Pittsburgh. Now, Yeah,

475
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Speaker 2: it's like Raven's going through some stuff, Cleveland going through

476
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Speaker 2: some stuff.

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati going through some stuff. Right, But so with Rogers, okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean maybe their favored to win the division, maybe

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Speaker 1: the second choice. Yeah, without Rogers, i'd make them favor

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Speaker 1: to run third or last. Right, I mean, who's the

481
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Speaker 1: quarterback not in a raft one? Yeah? Is that going

482
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Speaker 1: to be the answer.

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Speaker 2: I could see McCarthy saying, yeah, let's let's at least

484
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Speaker 2: run it back for one more year and give it

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Speaker 2: a try. It would be fascinating to see it end

486
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Speaker 2: in that manner. But I wouldn't rule that out. It

487
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Speaker 2: seems like there's openness to that happening.

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Speaker 1: You are a very loving kind and helpful individual and

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Speaker 1: a quality connoisseur of elite man of Schevitz and for

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Speaker 1: all that we love you. Thank you for stopping Bob.

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Speaker 2: I don't know and that I know what Manischevitz is,

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Speaker 2: but I'm I'm glad I.

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Speaker 1: Could be here. Yeah, I think Boom's farm. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: with a but with a more elaborate name. Okay. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you, Ben, Thanks man, Ben guestingly' start Tribune, Star

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Speaker 1: Tribune dot com. Finchy Finchy, coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves.

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Speaker 1: He's coming up around the corner and about an hour

498
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Speaker 1: from now Hockey Immortality Zach Parizi joins nine to noon only.

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Speaker 1: And joining us now is Chris finch, head coach of

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Timberwolves. Courtesy of Second Arvest Heartlind two Harvests

501
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Speaker 1: dot Org and Prize Fix and Finching. Uh that that

502
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Speaker 1: was cool. Last night Mann turned the frown upside down

503
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Speaker 1: and smashed Atlanta. What did you like about last night?

504
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Speaker 1: And Banks as usual for helping the show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no pleasure. Uh yeah, obviously start our offense. You know,

506
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 4: we got back to playing a lot more pace, a

507
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 4: lot more purpose. You know. Next action basketball playing for

508
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 4: each other, you know, and we really needed it. We

509
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Speaker 4: needed to find a rhythm again, we needed to play well.

510
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Speaker 4: You kind of been up and down over the last

511
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Speaker 4: few weeks, as you know.

512
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Speaker 1: So good good to see Jayden hitting shots last night.

513
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Speaker 1: I mean it's not like the recent offensive patch or

514
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Speaker 1: lack thereof is who he is, but I mean he's

515
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Speaker 1: hitting shots, blocking shots, getting to the line. Why is

516
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Speaker 1: he so Jade McDaniels, Why is he so important to

517
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Speaker 1: your equation?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I know, certainly our best point of

519
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Speaker 4: TAC defender. Actually, you know, in many ways are best

520
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Speaker 4: overall defender. And offensively he you know, he can score

521
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Speaker 4: in a variety of ways, and.

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Speaker 1: You know, he and you don't really.

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Speaker 4: Have to, Like he's found a rhythm in a place

524
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Speaker 4: in the offense now where you don't really have to

525
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Speaker 4: feature him, although you can. I think that's been part

526
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Speaker 4: of his growth, and you know, we need to do

527
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Speaker 4: that more. I think at times like I got to

528
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Speaker 4: force the ball to him more. But he's he's a

529
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Speaker 4: really good playmaker. You know, his mid range, his paint shot,

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Speaker 4: his pull up shots got a nice touch. He's three

531
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Speaker 4: three point shot, he's shooting it over forty, which you

532
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Speaker 4: know puts him in the elite category in the league.

533
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Speaker 4: So you know, and he gets out in transition. He's

534
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Speaker 4: just scoring in so many different ways that as Long said,

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Speaker 4: he's a barometer for our offense. When our offense is

536
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Speaker 4: good and healthy and firing on all cylinders, he's really

537
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Speaker 4: benefiting from it. And you know, making people that.

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Speaker 1: The way you you described the early part of that, Coach, Finch,

539
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Speaker 1: it's it sounds tricky if like I were you, And

540
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Speaker 1: here's what I mean, because Anthony and Julius, I mean,

541
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Speaker 1: they're fantastic offensive players and they're both multifaceted. Yet to

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Speaker 1: get somebody going offensively, they need touches. But but like

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Speaker 1: as a head coach, I mean, you can craft things,

544
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Speaker 1: scheme things, isolate things, run run things a certain way.

545
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Speaker 1: But you see what I'm saying here, it's like fitting

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Speaker 1: everybody in when you've got a couple of guys who

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Speaker 1: like having the ball a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's no doubt. It's you know, it's a usage issue.

549
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Speaker 4: You know, there's only so much usage to go around

550
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Speaker 4: with certain lineups, and uh, that's why it's really important

551
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Speaker 4: you know that we you know, play playing transition and

552
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Speaker 4: we we moved the ball early, and you know, there's

553
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Speaker 4: plenty of times I think for you know, for us

554
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Speaker 4: to go into ISO mode and Aunt and Julius are

555
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Speaker 4: to the best in the league at that. You know

556
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Speaker 4: what's happened though, he kind of just boiled down to

557
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Speaker 4: going ice so early in our offense and trying to

558
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Speaker 4: generate everything out of that rather than trying to play

559
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Speaker 4: in you know, more of our free flowing concepts or

560
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Speaker 4: read and react game, which we know and long have

561
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Speaker 4: known that that gets everybody else involved in, everyone else

562
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Speaker 4: in touch. And when you start the game that way,

563
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Speaker 4: it's it's just better because you know, everybody feels a

564
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Speaker 4: part of the game right away.

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Speaker 1: With with Nikhil Alexander Walker, who was here last night,

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Speaker 1: I mean he you know, he's having a wonderful, wonderful

567
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Speaker 1: year for Atlanta and he got paid a certain level

568
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Speaker 1: of cast that maybe some other teams couldn't get to.

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Speaker 1: But in your experience with Nikiel, I just I don't

570
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Speaker 1: know if you said this to me, you know, from

571
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Speaker 1: in the past, or I'm I'm I'm you know thinking

572
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Speaker 1: about it from afar, But it was tough losing him, right,

573
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Speaker 1: not just the player but like the guy he is,

574
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Speaker 1: he just seems like an affable, amiable, wonderful guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was tough losing him on lots of levels.

576
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Speaker 4: I mean the production and the and the energy that

577
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Speaker 4: he brought to the floor, to the role that he filled,

578
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Speaker 4: which was kind of multi purpose. He could go in

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Speaker 4: and do anything for us. A memory, He's always referred

580
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Speaker 4: to him as a utility infielder. He could play all

581
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Speaker 4: the positions and and but as a professional and a

582
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Speaker 4: young professional, and an unbelievable model for our young guys,

583
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Speaker 4: because here's a guy who came into the league fairly

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Speaker 4: highly drafted, you know, struggled to find his footing, took

585
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Speaker 4: him a little while to figure out who he really

586
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Speaker 4: needed to be in the league. Uh kind of fought

587
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Speaker 4: that for a bit, you know, thought you thought he

588
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Speaker 4: could be, could be something else. And the ironic thing

589
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Speaker 4: is he is that now. Like he's gone all the

590
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Speaker 4: way through this development growth curve. But it starts by

591
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Speaker 4: like zeering in on a few things. It was defense,

592
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Speaker 4: it was shooting, you know, it was smart play, and

593
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Speaker 4: then you know, you slowly grow your role from there.

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Speaker 4: And I think a lot of players make the mistake

595
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Speaker 4: they come in and they want everything all at once,

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Speaker 4: and that's hard. It's very it's a hard league to

597
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Speaker 4: try to do that. And oftentimes you're coming into a

598
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Speaker 4: team that has established pecking order and or superstars or

599
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Speaker 4: other guys that you know are going to take away

600
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Speaker 4: your opportunity to be everything all at once. And then

601
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Speaker 4: he was just a tireless worker. He is probably one

602
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Speaker 4: of our you know, best gym brats, and so it

603
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Speaker 4: was just fun to have him here and it was

604
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Speaker 4: really fun to watch him grow into this player. And

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Speaker 4: now he's gone even further and you know, he's got

606
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Speaker 4: the confidence of what he was able to kind of

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Speaker 4: lay down here the foundation of his game carrying him

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Speaker 4: now to do even more and more.

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Speaker 1: All Right, so you go wire to wire against Landa

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Speaker 1: last night, beat him like a bewer secretariat. They were

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Speaker 1: sham after losing three of four before that. Do you

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Speaker 1: sense a tension bubble has burst? Or was it never

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Speaker 1: to that point?

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Speaker 4: I mean, let's I mean, I don't. Yeah, in one

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Speaker 4: sense of sports, it was good to get the win,

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Speaker 4: but you know, we we got, we still got there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of tension still there. I mean, every game

618
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: is going to be so meaningful and like, you know,

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Speaker 4: we've tricked off a few that we definitely regret, might

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Speaker 4: regret even more as the season lines down here. But

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Speaker 4: we know we're team people making a run and a

622
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Speaker 4: deep run, and we got to start stacking wins. So

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Speaker 4: it's it's probably both, you know, you know, good to

624
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Speaker 4: get the win, good to play well, good to be

625
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Speaker 4: a better version of ourselves. We just hadn't been that.

626
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Speaker 4: But we also got to stay focused. Get this one tomorrow.

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00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: You know, the break's coming at the right time for

628
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: I think everybody in the league. But uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: and then we'll come back out with a fresh mindset.

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Speaker 1: Chris, your your assistant, Pablo Prigione put together saw this

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Speaker 1: with a part of your press conference. Pablo Prizione put

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Speaker 1: together a teaching tape for the guys. You credited him

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Speaker 1: after the game for that playing into the win. What

634
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Speaker 1: whatever you can share? What what? What are some of

635
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Speaker 1: the things they watched that came to pass last night?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was, you know, basically a highlight tape with

637
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Speaker 4: all of our kind of like like the way we

638
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 4: sequence our offense from transition to early offense, the next

639
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 4: action basketball, you know, to set plays to just you know,

640
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Speaker 4: playing with the pass and what we you know, we

641
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 4: talk a lot about past past combinations, you know, moving

642
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 4: the ball along, no dribble, and then just you know,

643
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 4: it kind of lays out like that and we just

644
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 4: had to watch ourselves playing well. You know, I think

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Speaker 4: it's important when you have an offense as ours is

646
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Speaker 4: that you know, people need to see that themselves playing

647
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Speaker 4: well in it all the time because it's pretty abstract.

648
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 4: It's not highly patterned base and sometimes you can lose

649
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Speaker 4: that rhythm and that and when you give a lot

650
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Speaker 4: of freedom in your offense, but you know, there's there

651
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 4: are still structures, as basic rules that we have to

652
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Speaker 4: here too, and we've gotten away from some of that.

653
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: So your new guard io Desumu he I didn't get

654
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: a chance to see this weekend wa washing him last night.

655
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: I've seen him play with the bulls before, but he

656
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: was attacking aggressively last night only cow I didn't realize

657
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: how structurally strong he was either. What uh, what do

658
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: you like about about the new guy through too?

659
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? Well, first of all, students have a great approach,

660
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 4: real real serious, real business, like you know, he's gonna

661
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: be as you see, I think he's gonna fit in seamlessly,

662
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 4: not only from a position of need and a skill

663
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 4: set of need and had a depth but just like

664
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 4: he has a very complimentary game and yet he can

665
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 4: do things and two way player. I love the fact

666
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 4: that he has a pretty simple game, is highly repeatable.

667
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 4: He's not trying to over complicate anything, flower it up.

668
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 4: He just kind of plays the straight lines, takes the

669
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 4: right angles, shoots it when he's open, moves it on

670
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 4: when he does. And he's a quick decision maker when

671
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 4: his offense isn't there, and he can change ends in

672
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 4: a hurry, like he can turn steals and loose balls

673
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 4: into buckets real fast, which is you know, you know

674
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 4: in that way is the one man fast break.

675
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: Well, well, when when like when something like this happens

676
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: a trade, what where do guys live when they are moved?

677
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: And like how did they get all of their stuff

678
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: from one place to another?

679
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 4: That's a great question, is Well, I believe he's living

680
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 4: probably you know, the four seasons. I would imagine that

681
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 4: probably where we put him. Then, you know, there's an

682
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 4: allowance of days for everybody. I think it's it's a

683
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 4: pretty healthy allowance of days. I'm not sure if it's

684
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: thirty or forty five or sixty. You know, these guys

685
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 4: get an allowance to live there, and then we have

686
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: a team of people who work behind the scenes to

687
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 4: work with the bulls to help get everything kind of

688
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: organized or moved you know, cars, ship geez all that

689
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. So, I mean, he does have the

690
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 4: benefit of the All Star break where he'll be able

691
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 4: to go home and be able to go home in

692
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: Chicago that is, and go and be able to organize

693
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 4: and get some stuff together. But other than that, it's

694
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: mostly kind of have a you know, a team of

695
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 4: people that are used to doing this, and there's a

696
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 4: lot of cooperation between all the teams that are involved

697
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 4: in any trade.

698
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: When I was asking you that question at the end

699
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: of it, I thought you were going to hit me

700
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: with what do I look like? Greg Varnum.

701
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean back in the day, like Jay Farnham

702
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: would have definitely been in charge of it. But now

703
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: these organizations are so large. We basically have like a

704
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: we have a player player services team and it's ended

705
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 4: up by Sydney Phillips, uh and she does an amazing

706
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 4: job and she based basically is like a concierge service

707
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 4: for for all the players and their families from from

708
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: everything you know, come from coming into the market to

709
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: helping find whatever you need here be housing, school, et cetera,

710
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 4: to getting all the logistics lined up and then you know,

711
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 4: just like life here just making it as best as possible.

712
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: That job sounds like a headache. I mean, and and

713
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: that the headache part of it would be, well, what

714
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: do you mean I don't have side court pregame passes

715
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: before the game at crypto dot com or no I

716
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: asked for aid, how come I own you have six?

717
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,479
Speaker 1: I mean that job sounds like a cloud penalty. Yeah.

718
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 4: I think. Now there's a lot to it. You know,

719
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 4: there's a play you know, hosting players. We have you know,

720
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 4: uh player lounge, his player family lounges. It's a pretty

721
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 4: fascinating job. I think it's a fun job for people

722
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 4: because it's it's different, every day, awesome, helping players with

723
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 4: some of their foundation stuff, for their community stuff. There's

724
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 4: there's lots of levels to it, and you know, she

725
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 4: does an amazing job for us.

726
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm if I'm iyo. I'm kind of like, well,

727
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: what if I don't want don't want people going through

728
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: my stuff. I'll just wait till till the All Star break.

729
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: I'll get back and do it on my own, all right.

730
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: A few quickis to close here for coach bench courtesy

731
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: of Second Harvest, Heartline, two Harvest, Dot Orgon Prize Picks,

732
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: uh Nas and Mo Gay Nearly mixed it up last night.

733
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: What happened there?

734
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, for me, the league, the league's in

735
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 4: a weird place when it comes to physicality, Like there's

736
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 4: a lot of there's certain physicality. I think it's kind

737
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: of a little out of context. You know. There there's

738
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: a lot of off ball shoving and pushing and trying

739
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 4: to jam up screens and actions and those things are

740
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 4: kind of kind of go by the wayside. But those

741
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 4: are the things that build up over the course of

742
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 4: a game. You know, that that players get frustrated with.

743
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 4: But then sometimes driving to the hoop, you can't you

744
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: can't like touch somebody, and so players are getting frustrated

745
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 4: right now. You know, we had a little dust up

746
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 4: in the Clipper game, and then you saw, of course

747
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: what happened in the Detroit game, which is, you know,

748
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 4: one of the more physical, physical teams in the league period.

749
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: So just feels like, you know, kying of there's just

750
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 4: like misapplied physicality. I'm all for physical basketball, but it

751
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 4: feels like sometimes not always in the right place.

752
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: Well, so you saw the highlights from Charlotte, I mean

753
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: Jalen Dura and and and Mo Diabate, I mean they

754
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: go at it. Then that became an all out fracas

755
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: and like a Donnie Brook. I mean that that thing

756
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: last night was crazy, Holy cow. So you saw it, right, yeah,

757
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: I saw it.

758
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean that's certainly not what we want any

759
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 4: we don't want that in the league. I mean it

760
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 4: was scary, you know it except going on and it's

761
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 4: stilled into the crowd at one point, and I'm sure

762
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 4: the league will be all over that today.

763
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Miles Bridges then punches Durham, and of course

764
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: Isaiah Stewart loses his mind as usual, kind of like

765
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: that night Devincenzo made Ronald Holland cry and and and

766
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: Stuart wanted to fight your entire team. Remember that night?

767
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, remember that one?

768
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: Well, well, well just lastly here, if you go back

769
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: and watch it, all right, you got it? Did you

770
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: happen to notice Duncan Robinson okay, as the whole thing

771
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: was going on because he thought it was done. And

772
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: then Miles Bridges gets into it with the center and

773
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: then Isaiah comes running at Miles. Well, Duncan Robinson was

774
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: the best man when part two of the fight started.

775
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 1: He rolled his eyes and walked away like, come on, guys,

776
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: what the bleep? I mean, that was the look on

777
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: his face. You got to see it. As a head coach,

778
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: what what are some keys that you have to handle

779
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: when stuff like this pops up?

780
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 4: Well, the first thing that you have to handle when

781
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: it pops up is you've got to make sure none

782
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 4: of your players leave the bench because that's you know,

783
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 4: the league has a zero tolerance policy on that for

784
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 4: players coming in off the bench, and you know, and rightfully,

785
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 4: so those are people that oftentime they escalate anything that's

786
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 4: going on the floor. Uh, then obviously you try to

787
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 4: go out there act peace, baker, pull people apart.

788
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: You know.

789
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 4: Admittedly I'm a little slower to this, to the scrub

790
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 4: these days. You know, I'm not worried the need holds

791
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: up the way it used to in that kind of thing.

792
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: So wow, but.

793
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just just try to, you know, just try

794
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 4: to separate people, be you know, kind of be a

795
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: voice of reason at that point in time. We get

796
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 4: it calmed down as best you can. You know, I've

797
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 4: definitely been in and around enough of those to also

798
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 4: know that. You know, a lot of times people come

799
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 4: in there and they try to do that and then

800
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 4: something's said or done and then they end up just escally.

801
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: So you know, it's it's the scary moments. You know,

802
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 4: they can go either way for a second.

803
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: Now, the knee seemed to be fine that night you

804
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: were beating Oklahoma City and you were yelling at the reft.

805
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: You sure got out to mint they court pretty quickly.

806
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 4: I wasn't having to hold back a bunch of two

807
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty pounders either.

808
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: So all right, last one here, man, You're the best

809
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: Portland here tomorrow night than the All Star Game? Pause

810
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: with the break? Is it fair to say absence makes

811
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: the heart grow fonder? And you guys are going to

812
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: come back, I don't know, like an even better well

813
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: oiled machine.

814
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 4: That's the plan and that's the hope.

815
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 1: Uh.

816
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 4: I think everybody, you know, physically, of course, you know,

817
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 4: people are definitely in need of the break. Mentally, you know,

818
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 4: the break is uh huge for everybody. You know, the

819
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 4: break happened for us after fifty six games, So I

820
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 4: mean we're fifteen games past the halfway point by the

821
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 4: time you play these and you've gone through a lot,

822
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 4: like you know, we've talked before about what the holidays,

823
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 4: how hard sometimes the holidays are. Then you have the

824
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:17,959
Speaker 4: trade deadline stuff that's really kind of wearing on your players. Yeah,

825
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 4: the scheduled you know this, the schedule just becomes so

826
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 4: come back, compact and condensed, you know, after Christmas or

827
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 4: you know that that cup.

828
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: That Cup format.

829
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 4: Has really forced a lot of games into January, and

830
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 4: you know, so there's a lot of things that go

831
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 4: on there, and so it comes at the right time.

832
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 4: Now when you make a deep playoff run, you know,

833
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 4: it's the break is basically halfway through the season. But

834
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 4: in the regular season, there's only twenty six games left

835
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 4: when we come back. Wow, it's a sprint to the

836
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: It's a it's a sprint to the finish. And when

837
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 4: you think about it like that, you get a sense

838
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 4: of how long the season is before this break comes.

839
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: Hey man, tear it up tomorrow night. And then even

840
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: of more importance for mental clarity, physical clarity for the

841
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: players and your knee. Relax, chill out for a while

842
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: and I'll call you in a couple of weeks.

843
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 4: All right, awesome, Thanks Pa, think Eric yep.

844
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.

845
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: Bud.

846
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: See Chris Finch, coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves, courtesy of

847
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: Second Harvest Heartlind two Harvest dot Org and prize Picks.

848
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: Down memory Lane, we go around the corner. Former Minnesota

849
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: Viking safety Anthony Harris is going to be in studio

850
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: chatting football, etc. Nine to noon, and that's followed by

851
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: Hockey Immortality Zach Perezi joining nine to noon. About thirty

852
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: thirty five minutes from now to