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Speaker 2: Let's get our number three underway. Let's do so by

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Speaker 2: talking to our good friend from the Lockdown Reds podcast

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Speaker 2: and a guy you just got to check in on

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Speaker 2: after what has transpired in the last twenty four or

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Speaker 2: so hours. Jeff Carra is joining us right now. Hi, Jeff,

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Speaker 2: Tony haustin.

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Speaker 3: It's really good to hear your voices. You guys seem

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Speaker 3: like some dudes that know how to spend money outside

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Speaker 3: of Middletown.

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Speaker 2: Jeff, here's my issue. Here's my issue. So on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals went up by ten with under nine minutes

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Speaker 2: left in the game, and I allowed myself for a

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Speaker 2: moment to believe. I believe that it would be different

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Speaker 2: on Sunday and then the Bengals broke my heart. And

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Speaker 2: I had heard coming into this week a lot of

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Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber talk and could this be the domino that

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Speaker 2: finally falls? And I was a little bit on the fence.

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Speaker 2: And then yesterday, as I got into the studio, I

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Speaker 2: watched a video on your ex and it seemed like

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Speaker 2: you were believing. It seemed like with all the conversation

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Speaker 2: was more than just a rumor, maybe this was more

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Speaker 2: than just kicking the tires, Maybe this can actually happen.

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Speaker 2: And I did the same thing I did Sunday, and

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Speaker 2: I allowed myself to believe, and it felt as if

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Speaker 2: moments later the world came crashing down again. Your reaction,

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Speaker 2: let's start with that. Your reaction seeing the Swarber deal

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Speaker 2: to the Phillies. What is reported that that deal is worth,

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Speaker 2: and the reports of what the Reds offered Kyle Schwarber.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing that I had come to the conclusion

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Speaker 3: of on that video, Tony, was that it felt like

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Speaker 3: ninety nine percent of this was done, but it's clear

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Speaker 3: that the one percent that was left was one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent of the matter. You know, doing a little bit

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Speaker 3: of John Madden math here for you on this Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to the money, the Reds were outbid

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Speaker 3: by twenty five million total dollars, and some people want

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Speaker 3: to say, well, you know, it's thirty million dollars, thirty

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Speaker 3: the ballpark, and it's like, yeah, but that's like saying

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Speaker 3: and the Phillies were down on the field. Because you're

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Speaker 3: talking about another twenty five million dollars. That's basically an

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Speaker 3: it's clear that they really felt as though some sort

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Speaker 3: or something in Middletown was going to cause him to

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Speaker 3: this from, because every reporter I saw was saying thirty million,

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Speaker 3: that is really what It's really what flattened me. Like

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Speaker 3: I felt like then getting to the playoffs was fun

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to get to that comment in just

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Speaker 2: a moment. Let me ask you this first. If you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that there's a lot of folks that

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Speaker 3: He was really comfortable in the clubhouse, and he really

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Speaker 2: And then Jeff, we get the Ken Rosenthal piece and

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Speaker 2: to Schwarber, a native of Middletown, Ohio, was tied to

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Speaker 2: That to me, Jeff, is shocking in the sense that,

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Speaker 3: I was worried throughout this entire process that the main

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Speaker 3: Nobody could truly believe that. But it's clear that that's

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Speaker 3: what they believed. And they said that, well he drive

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Speaker 3: ticket sales and all this other stuff. Pete Alonzo would

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Speaker 3: they would help the.

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Speaker 2: Team winding drive ticket sales. Yes, that happens. Yes.

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Speaker 3: When they were on streaks in twenty twenty three and

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Speaker 3: were times when you're just like, let's go down to

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Speaker 3: obviously you go because you like watching different players, but

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Speaker 3: it's because you know it all comes together in a

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Speaker 3: people show up to Reds games whenever they know that

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Speaker 3: they're going to win. And the thing for me, Tony

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Speaker 4: Unbelievable, Like, isn't it kind of amazing how transparent they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's funny because there's times when Nick

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Speaker 3: he's he's holding his cards close to his vest. Here

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Speaker 3: this is another one of those examples.

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Speaker 4: I think it's also part of it. We obviously know

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Speaker 4: the main issue is that the ownership has a plan

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Speaker 4: that doesn't and doesn't include spending to the best of

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Speaker 4: it's made worse by the fact that there's not really

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Speaker 4: what the plan is because of what you just said.

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Speaker 4: I mean, on one hand, you've got Phil Castellini saying

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Speaker 4: hand you've got Nick Krawl. You know, depending on which

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Speaker 4: way the wind is blowing that day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we've got a lot of humdingers from

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Speaker 3: Nick Krawl. You know, the peaks in the valley's comment,

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Speaker 3: the break even comment, you know, the kind of things

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Speaker 3: gets people to the ticket booth. No, you're right like that.

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Speaker 3: That seems to be the biggest problem here, and I

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Speaker 3: see that sometimes, like looking at other teams. With the Yankees,

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Speaker 3: anytime Brian Cashman gets in front of a microphone, Yankees

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Speaker 3: his mind. And that's not necessarily what nitkrawl does, but

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Speaker 3: it feels as though they craft these messages that they think, well,

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Speaker 3: we're being transparent and we're being honest with the fan base.

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Speaker 3: But the honesty that they're giving us is just absolutely

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Speaker 3: depressing because they have told us over this last week

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Speaker 3: going to pay that much for him, because for some reason,

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Speaker 3: And while I love a local hometown, again, I just

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Speaker 3: want to see some winning baseball. And it feels as

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Speaker 3: though there are three ways that you can build a team.

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Speaker 3: You draft and develop, you sign free agents, and you

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Speaker 3: make trades. And said, we were actively shunning two of

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Speaker 2: I'm fascinated if they actually believe the stuff they're saying

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Speaker 2: half the time, Like Moe brought this up off air today, Jeff, Like,

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Speaker 2: if you are a fan and you're legitimately thinking about

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Speaker 2: fan and you say, well, I'm in if they get

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Speaker 2: Kyle Schwarber, but I'm not buying that package if they

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Speaker 2: were to land Pee Alonzo, Like, do the Reds actually

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Speaker 2: believe that that's the thing?

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Speaker 5: To me?

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Speaker 2: Like, if I'm choosing to buy tickets, I'm choosing to

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Speaker 2: and whether that's Kyle Schwarber, which is a cool story

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Speaker 2: because he's from Middletown, or a guy from Pee Alonzo

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Speaker 2: like I'd be like, yep, I was buying with Schwarber,

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Speaker 2: but now I'm out with Alonzo. Do they believe that?

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Speaker 3: I have a hard time arguing against it, to be

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Speaker 3: themselves these last couple of days is just so silly,

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Speaker 3: Like there were so many people you and me and

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Speaker 3: Mo and maybe Austin. I don't know. Sometimes I don't

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Speaker 3: Austin was in on this too. That man at Schwarber's here,

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Speaker 3: I'm buying jersey, I'm buying something from Sensey shirts. I'm

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Speaker 3: people talking about. Man, I'm signing up for season Dicats,

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Speaker 3: Let's go. There was so much excitement and then immediately

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Speaker 3: nobody has that kind of ability in Major League Baseball

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Speaker 3: like the Cincinnati Reds to drum up that sort of

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Speaker 4: Now that being said, the reports out about to tell

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Speaker 4: Marte and the Red's interest in that. How much are

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Speaker 4: you buying that?

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Speaker 3: All right? I would like to, And I think if

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Speaker 3: this were a few years ago, I would have. Guys.

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Speaker 3: I love the Reds, I really do. But this whole

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Speaker 3: like super optimism thing has really gotten beaten down over

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Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Man, I'm like, looking at

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Speaker 3: this rumor, it's nice, tell Marte all Star last two years,

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Speaker 3: silver Lugger last two years. Even Brandon lau from the

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Speaker 3: a question, and I'm not saying that I firmly believe

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Speaker 2: Lastly, before we let you go, Jeff, there is growing

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Speaker 2: Certainly an interesting time and an interesting time to be

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Speaker 4: Actually, Jeff our friend Chad Dotson posted on Twitter last

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Speaker 3: It kind of feels that way at the moment where

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Speaker 2: Right now, Damn, it's not hard to argue. There's always

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm all over it on social media. Don't you

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Speaker 3: follow me at Jeff Carr with three ess on X.

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Speaker 3: I'm also on TikTok of that same name, and you

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Speaker 2: Jeff, thank you so much. Man, hang in there, buddy,

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Speaker 3: We'll get there, guys.

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Speaker 2: Just oh yeah, Christmas is coming soon, Jeff, enjoy the

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Speaker 2: holiday season. Thank you, thanks guys. That is a Jeff Carr.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: He kept the Go Reds in there, kept the Go Reds.

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Speaker 2: Plenty more still to go and our number three, including

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Speaker 4: I think I can't wait for you know, several years

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Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love, Drake May.

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Speaker 4: And then there's a pretty sizable gap and there's everybody else.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like gap two? Those quarterbacks can still win,

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Speaker 2: but they need things around them to help.

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Speaker 6: I think so, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I have Lamar there just because he's clearly controlized.

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Speaker 2: But how far off is Drake May? I feel like

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Speaker 2: everyone is on and I get he's an MVP candidate.

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Speaker 2: How far from that top tier is Drake May? Or

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Speaker 2: is it just still because it's so new still early?

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Speaker 2: You got to see a lot still early? I agree,

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Speaker 2: but those top that top tier, which I agree with.

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Speaker 2: Those are quarterbacks that elevate everyone around you and give

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Speaker 2: you a chance no matter what the rest roster is.

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Speaker 4: I feel like Alan and Jackson kind of go back

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Speaker 4: and forth sometimes from the top tier to the tier

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Speaker 4: they're in.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to I feel like with with Herbert just

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Speaker 2: because of the injuries as well, that you never really

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Speaker 2: get a full understanding. But and he blew off Laura Rutledge. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was weak, or he tried to that was weak.

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Speaker 2: What's not weak is a tradition I've had every year

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Speaker 2: since I can remember, and that is listening to Jim

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Speaker 2: Valvano and his SB speech as he was battling cancer.

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Speaker 2: And whether you're battling it, you know someone that's battling it,

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Speaker 2: or just going through ups and downs in life. I

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Speaker 2: always think that there are things we can draw from

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Speaker 2: the great Jim Valvano and what he had to say.

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Speaker 2: So when we come back in honor of V Week,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna play a little bit of what Jimmy V

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Speaker 2: had to say, and after that we'll get to Moegar.

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Speaker 2: All happening next ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: Wck Y Cincinnati and iHeartRadio Station Guaranteed, ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 1: I Hard Radio.

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Speaker 7: Hey it's Moager this holiday season.

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome back since he three to sixty. ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station, a service of Penn Station. It's

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Speaker 2: V Week the V Foundation Jim Valvano. The Jimmy V

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Speaker 2: Classic was last night. V Week goes until December fourteenth.

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Speaker 2: There are ways that you can make an impact v

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Speaker 2: dot org slash donate, But this is not about asking

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Speaker 2: you to go donate. This is about something that I

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Speaker 2: think is appropriate for all seasons of life, whether you're

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Speaker 2: dealing with an illness, someone you know is dealing with

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Speaker 2: an illness, or you're just going through highs and lows

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Speaker 2: that that happened in everyday life, especially in today's world.

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Speaker 2: It's something my dad did with me every year. We

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Speaker 2: would sit down, we'd glue ourselves to the TV, and

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Speaker 2: we'd listen to the famous Jim Valvano sp speech. And here,

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Speaker 2: in honor of that, in honor of V Week, in

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Speaker 2: honor of Jim Valvano and everything going on in life,

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Speaker 2: here is a couple minutes of what Jim Valvano had

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Speaker 2: to say in that historic speech.

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Speaker 6: Also, I don't have one of those things going with

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Speaker 6: the cue cards, so.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to speak longer than anybody else has spoken tonight,

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Speaker 5: but that's the way it goes.

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Speaker 3: Time.

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Speaker 6: Time is very precious to me.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how much I have left, and I

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Speaker 5: have some things that I would like to say. Hopefully

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Speaker 5: at the end I'll have something that will be important

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Speaker 5: to other people too, But I can't help it now.

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Speaker 5: And I'm fighting cancer. Everybody knows that. And people ask

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Speaker 5: me all the time about how you go through your

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Speaker 5: life and how's your day? And nothing has changed for me.

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Speaker 5: As Dick said, I'm a very emotional, passionate man.

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Speaker 6: I can't help.

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Speaker 5: But that's being the son of Rocco and Angelina Valvano.

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Speaker 6: That just comes with the territory.

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Speaker 5: Right. We hug, we kiss, we love, And when people

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Speaker 5: say to me, how do you get through life? Or

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Speaker 5: each day's the same thing to me. There are three

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Speaker 5: things we all should do every day. If we do

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Speaker 5: this every day of our life, you're gonna have what

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Speaker 5: a wonderful Number one is laugh you should laugh every day.

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Speaker 5: Number two is think, you should spend some time in thought.

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Speaker 5: And number three is you should have your emotions moved

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Speaker 5: to tears. Could be happiness or joy, but think about it.

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Speaker 5: If you laugh, you think, and you cry that's a

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Speaker 5: full day. That's a heck of a day. You do

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Speaker 5: that seven days a.

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Speaker 6: Week, you're gonna have something special.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 5: I can't help I rode on the plane up today

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Speaker 5: with Mike Skrzhevski, my good friend and a wonderful coach.

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Speaker 5: Where people don't realize he's a ten times better person

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Speaker 5: than he is a coach, and we know he's a

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Speaker 5: great coach. He's meant a lot to me in he's

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Speaker 5: last five or six months of my battle. But when

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Speaker 5: I look at Mike, I think we competed against each

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Speaker 5: others as players.

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Speaker 6: I coached against them fifteen years.

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Speaker 5: And I always have to think about what's important in

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Speaker 5: life is to think, to me, the three things where

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Speaker 5: you started, where you are, and where you're gonna be.

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Speaker 6: Those are three things that I try and do every day.

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Speaker 6: And you know, when I think.

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Speaker 5: About getting up and giving a speech, I can't help it.

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Speaker 5: I have to remember the first speech I ever gave.

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Speaker 5: I was coaching at Rutgers University. That was my first job.

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Speaker 5: All like, oh, that's a wonderful and I was the

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Speaker 5: freshman coach. That's when freshmen played on freshman team, and

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Speaker 5: I was so fired up about my first job as coach?

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Speaker 6: Holt said, what was it like the first job you had?

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Speaker 5: Right, the very first time you stood in the locker

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Speaker 5: room to give a pep talk. That's a special place,

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Speaker 5: the locker room for a coach to give a talk.

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Speaker 5: So my idol as a coach was Vince Lombardi. And

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Speaker 5: I read this book called Commitment to Excellence by Vince Lombardi.

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Speaker 5: And in the book Lombardi talked about the first time

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Speaker 5: he spoke before his Green Bay Packer team in the

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Speaker 5: locker room noir perennial losers.

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Speaker 6: And I'm reading this and Lombardi said he was.

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Speaker 5: Thinking it should be a long talk, a short talk,

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Speaker 5: but he wanted to be mostly said be brief, and

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Speaker 5: is what he did. He normally, you get in the

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Speaker 5: locker room, I don't know, twenty five minutes a half

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Speaker 5: hour before the team takes the field. You do and

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Speaker 5: o's and then you give the great new rockety talk

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Speaker 5: we all do speech number eighty four. You pull him

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Speaker 5: right out, you get you get ready, get your squad right.

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Speaker 5: Who is the first one I ever gave? And I

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Speaker 5: read this thing Lombardy. What he said was he didn't

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Speaker 5: go in he waited. His team was wondering where is he,

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Speaker 5: Where is this great coach? He's not there. Ten minutes

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Speaker 5: he's still not there. Three minutes before to take the field.

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Speaker 5: Lombardy comes in, bangs the door open, and I think

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Speaker 5: you all remember what great presence he had, right, great presence.

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Speaker 5: And he walked in and he just walked back and

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Speaker 5: forth like this, just walk staring at the players, and

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Speaker 5: he said, all eyes on me. I'm reading this in

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Speaker 5: this book and I'm getting a picture. This Lombardi before

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Speaker 5: his first game, and he said, gentlemen, we will be

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Speaker 5: successful this year. You can focus on three things, and

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Speaker 5: three things only. Your family, your religion, and the Green

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Speaker 5: Bay Packers and he and the rest of it.

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Speaker 6: They knocked the walls down, the restless history. I said,

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Speaker 6: that's beautiful. I'm gonna do that. Your family, your religion,

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Speaker 6: and Rutgers basketball. That's it. I had it. I'm listen.

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Speaker 6: I'm twenty one years old. The kids I'm coaching on nineteen,

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Speaker 6: all right, and.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna be the greatest coach in the world, the

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Speaker 5: next Lombardi.

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Speaker 6: And I'm right, and I'm practicing out in right besides

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Speaker 6: locked room.

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Speaker 5: The manager telling me, you got to go in not you, family, religion,

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Speaker 5: Rucker's basket.

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Speaker 6: All eyes on me.

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Speaker 5: I got it.

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Speaker 6: I got it.

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Speaker 5: And now finally he said three minutes. I said, fine,

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Speaker 5: true story. I go to knock the doors open, just

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Speaker 5: like the Bardy boom. He didn't open. I almost broke

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Speaker 5: my arm. I was like, you know what, I didn't open.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm down. The players are looking, you know, coach

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Speaker 5: getting help the coach up, help them out, you know.

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Speaker 6: And now I did like Lombardi. I walked back and

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Speaker 6: forth and.

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Speaker 5: I was going like that my arm get the feeling

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Speaker 5: back in it. And finally I said, gentlemen, all eyes,

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Speaker 5: I mean these kids wanted to play the nineteen let's go.

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Speaker 5: I said, gentlemen, will be successful this year if you

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Speaker 5: can focus on three things, and three things only said,

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Speaker 5: your family, your religion, and the Green Bay Packers.

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Speaker 6: I told him I did that.

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Speaker 5: I remember, remember that, I remember, I remember where I

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Speaker 5: came from. It's so important to know where you are,

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Speaker 5: and I know where I am right now. How do

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Speaker 5: you go from where you are to where you want

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Speaker 5: to be? And I think you have to have an

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Speaker 5: enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal.

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Speaker 5: You have to willing to work for it. I talked

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Speaker 5: about my family. My family is so important. People think

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Speaker 5: I have courage. The courage of my family's my wife, Pam,

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Speaker 5: my three daughters here, Nicole, Jamie, LeAnn, my mom who

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Speaker 5: is right here too, and and and the screen is

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Speaker 5: flashing up there thirty seconds, like I can about that

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Speaker 5: screen right now? Huh, I got, I got, I got

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Speaker 5: tumors all over my body. I'm worried about some guy

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Speaker 5: in the back going thirty seconds.

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Speaker 3: Huh, you got a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of heya, love, buddy, you got a life.

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Speaker 2: When I think you will, you kid me? All right?

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Speaker 6: Nut got I just got one last thing.

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Speaker 5: I urge all of you, all of you to enjoy

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Speaker 5: your life, the precious moments. You have to spend each

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Speaker 5: day with some laughter and some thought. To get your

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Speaker 5: emotions going. To be enthusiastic every day. Ralph Waldo Everson said,

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Speaker 5: nothing break and it comes without enthusiasm.

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Speaker 6: To keep your dreams alive in spite of problems.

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Speaker 5: Whatever you have and believe, be able to work hard

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Speaker 5: for your dreams to come true, become a reality.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome, awesome stuff. It doesn't age. That was nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety three at the SPC the Arthur Ash Award recipient.

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Speaker 2: The v Foundation was created in ninety three. Since then,

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Speaker 2: over four hundred and fifty eight million dollars raised for

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Speaker 2: game changing cancer research. Enjoy your life, know where you're at,

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Speaker 2: but know where you want to be. Laugh, Think, Have

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Speaker 2: your emotions moved to tears? It still holds true. It's

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Speaker 2: a It's a part of my holiday season every year.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to share that with you, whether you've heard it,

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Speaker 2: whether you've not heard it. Impactful stuff from Jim Valvano.

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Speaker 2: Mowager will join us next ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 7: From the bakery.

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Speaker 1: Now, it's time for a quick hits on Tony Tykes.

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Speaker 3: Since the three sixty was looking for Mo.

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Speaker 2: Mo's in the building. Mo's getting ready for the Mowager Show,

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Speaker 2: which comes up right after this. But kind enough to

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Speaker 2: join us here for a few moments for quick kids.

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Speaker 6: MO, what's up?

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Speaker 2: What are you coming up on the show today?

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Speaker 7: Kind enough?

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Speaker 8: Kind enough doing this out of charity, Yes, because there's

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Speaker 8: no way this show would be able to get through

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Speaker 8: the final segment without me stopping by.

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Speaker 2: And what I feel like is you bring a certain

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Speaker 2: hometown discount in your ability. You don't ask for much

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Speaker 2: to come on during this segment. You just do it

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Speaker 2: because well you know you're you're from the area and

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Speaker 2: you've been doing this, So I just assume Taylor Mill Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: well Mo will happily come do this because it's a

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Speaker 2: hometown discount.

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Speaker 8: Which is your favorite narrative, will never leave. He went

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Speaker 8: to Lasau High School. Kys Rover is gonna come here

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Speaker 8: because these are middletown. We might create a list today,

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Speaker 8: might do one of those shows, create a list of

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Speaker 8: like favorite narratives that ended up not becoming true. Luke

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Speaker 8: Fickle has kids who go to a school here. They

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Speaker 8: don't have schools in places here. His wife likes yoga here.

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Speaker 8: The Reds are poor. Reds are poor. I just don't

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Speaker 8: have any money pulling pulling their pockets out. You guys

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Speaker 8: have covered this Reds thing from every conceivable angle. I'll

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Speaker 8: try to pick up where you left off because it's

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Speaker 8: about making the team better, right, It's about the Reds

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Speaker 8: need mechanically, need to use this offseason to take the

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Speaker 8: Reds from what they were last season, which was barely

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Speaker 8: a playoff team, and making a team that is capable

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Speaker 8: of contending for a division title and maybe a World

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Speaker 8: Series title, and I think that's gonna be really hard.

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Speaker 8: There's still time to do that. I'm not sure there's

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Speaker 8: time for them to change their brand. I know what

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Speaker 8: their brand is. Your brand is your reputation. The Reds

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Speaker 8: have cemented their reputation, right or wrong. They have cemented

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Speaker 8: their reputation that they will not go to the end

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Speaker 8: of the earth to be the best in the world

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Speaker 8: at what they do, and I think they have a

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Speaker 8: very uphill battle when it comes to changing that. They

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Speaker 8: may trade for Tel Marte, who's not from Cincinnati, so

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure how genuinely interested there. They may acquire

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Speaker 8: players like the new version of Austin Hayes or the

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Speaker 8: new version of Brady Singer. I'm sure they will acquire

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Speaker 8: players who have the chance to make the team better.

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Speaker 8: I think their chance at getting goodwill, I think their

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Speaker 8: chance at creating buzz, and frankly, I think their chance

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Speaker 8: at dramatically remaking the team came and went with Kyle

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Speaker 8: Schwarber resigning with the Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: Surprised how open they were about the process. A little

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Speaker 2: bit of you know, it's more about getting fans to

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Speaker 2: the game. There's those types of comments or breaking even

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Speaker 2: that they've talked about in the offseason.

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Speaker 8: So here's one thing I wonder Schwarber comes to visit

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Speaker 8: and what the Reds try to convince him is to

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Speaker 8: take a hometown discount, right, take a hometown discount and uh,

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Speaker 8: you know, sign here because you're from here. If you're

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Speaker 8: a Kyle Schwarber, aren't you going you want me to

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Speaker 8: take a discount. I'm not sure about your ability to

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Speaker 8: build the team around me that enables me to win.

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Speaker 2: Like, cause I know the team I was just on

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Speaker 2: will build.

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Speaker 7: These guys want to win.

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Speaker 8: So if your first impression is well, we're crying poor,

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Speaker 8: you go well, if you're crying poor with me and

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Speaker 8: I had fifty six Dons last year, where else are

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Speaker 8: you gonna? Who else are you asking to take a discount?

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Speaker 8: Like I think when you're I'm trying to think of

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Speaker 8: a good, good comparison here. But if like I don't

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Speaker 8: know that you're the free agent they bring you in

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Speaker 8: and they're trying to tell you that you got to

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Speaker 8: take a discount, that tells me, dude, you're not gonna

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Speaker 8: do everything you can to win I'll go to Philadelphia,

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Speaker 8: where I feel like maybe it's because they have more resources,

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Speaker 8: but they will do everything they can win, including pay

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Speaker 8: me the money that I'm looking for that the market

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Speaker 8: dictates I should get.

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's birthday today.

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Speaker 7: Happy birthday, Joe.

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Speaker 2: How about that? Were you surprised to see and hear

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Speaker 2: that that T Higgins is doing some stuff at practice

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Speaker 2: today a little bit? Yeah? Or more surprising than Shamar

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Speaker 2: Stewart's partaking in practice today? Who Chamar Stuart holds that

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Speaker 2: they drafted him last year seventeenth overall pick, high upside guy,

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Speaker 2: measurables through the roof.

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Speaker 7: Dude, start to show it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like he's gonna have to. Ohsai and

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Speaker 2: Hendrickson are not going to be on under contract.

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Speaker 8: So we had a loud discussion yesterday about this. They

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Speaker 8: just need to be league average. Okay, I'm gonna talk

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Speaker 8: about this today. Yeah, I'm gonna talk about the league.

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Speaker 8: He's just gonna be league average. Is there a perfect

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Speaker 8: way to determine which college football teams should play for

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Speaker 8: a championship?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 8: So I understand the holes and inconsistencies, and I understand

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Speaker 8: Notre Dames gripe. I'm not sure how many more inner

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Speaker 8: views are press conferences I have to see with the

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Speaker 8: Notre Dame Athletic director.

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Speaker 7: But okay, I get it.

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Speaker 8: When I was a kid, they chose the national championship

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Speaker 8: via pole, like after the bowl games, whoever was number

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Speaker 8: one in the AP Top twenty five or the UPI poll.

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Speaker 8: So we had split national champions decided that wasn't good enough.

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Speaker 8: That we had the BCS every year. Not good enough? Okay, fine,

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Speaker 8: college football playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Sure, not good enough?

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Speaker 7: Four teams twelve team committee knocked?

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Speaker 8: Is I just this is why I like when people

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Speaker 8: complain about this process. It has started to fall on

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Speaker 8: deaf ears for me. Yeah, because literally my entire life,

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Speaker 8: people have been complaining about the process, but the process

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Speaker 8: always changes.

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Speaker 2: Based on UC basketball start to the season. I'd like

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Speaker 2: to revisit the process of expanding the NCAA tournament field

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Speaker 2: to what two and fifty six?

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Speaker 7: Rick Browing and the Musketeers joins us.

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Speaker 2: Nice?

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Speaker 7: Did you watch Clemson BYU last night?

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Speaker 2: So fun? Bearcats play those two teams and Georgia who

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Speaker 2: lost to Clemson ninety seven ninety four?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: How how how do you view?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: What are some other phrases. Maybe that are coming close

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Speaker 2: to your next muted social media word.

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Speaker 7: Oh that's a very good question.

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Speaker 2: Like how close are you to just being done with

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Speaker 2: hometown discount?

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Speaker 7: Maybe because he's from here, m M, that might be never.

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Speaker 2: Think about I think in Middletown's fine, but what about

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Speaker 2: what about Middletown? Are you done with Middletown?

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Speaker 7: Love Middletown?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Middletown.

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Speaker 7: I have spent some time in Middletown.

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Speaker 4: By the way, the NFL has shortened the time to

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Speaker 4: pick in the first round of the NFL Draft good

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Speaker 4: from ten minutes to eight minutes.

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Speaker 8: It should be zero minutes. You've had four months to

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Speaker 8: make the pick. It should be here's the draft, Titans

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Speaker 8: or Browns or whoever is on the clock. Who you got, Yeah,

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Speaker 8: you don't need eight more minutes.

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Speaker 7: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: We should put them all up on stage like they

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Speaker 4: do the NBA.

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Speaker 8: I think the draft would be more fun if the

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Speaker 8: team's had one minute between picks. All right, then we

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Speaker 8: see what these teams are really made of.

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