1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: This week, the Bengals and Dolphins meet up in Miami 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: for a South Beach showdown. Speaking of the beach, my 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: swimsuit of choice is a speedo European style. I don't 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: like those Peski caadlines. The Bengals stool the Dolphins get 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: the call live from Dan Lloyd and Dave Lapham. The 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: game kicks off at won DM with covered starting at 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: nine am Sunday. Stream for free are the new and 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: improved iHeartRadio app or ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: of the Cincinnati Bengals. 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: All right, that's us. Good afternoon on my legg this 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: is ESPs to thirty. Thank you so much for joining us. 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: You having an awesome Tuesday. We are because we're at 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: Oakley Greens in Oakley, where it is FASTI we are 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: nine days away from Christmas. You could feel it in 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 2: the air here at Oakley Greens. And an awesome place 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 2: to celebrate the holidays, to have your holiday happy hours, 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: a great place to watch the college football Playoff, a 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: great place to watch the Bengals game on Sunday or 19 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 2: other meaningful NFL games involving good teams. And it is 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 2: a great place where tonight the NBA Cup Final takes 21 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: place between the Knicks and Spurs, and there's gonna be 22 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,480 Speaker 2: a lot of people here for that tonight, watching New 23 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: York go for its first NBA championship since nineteen seventy three. 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: That and so much more here at Oakley Greens. We 25 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 2: love the staff here. They're very welcoming. It's a great 26 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 2: place to hang out with your family. It's a great 27 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: place to post up with your buddies, cool place to 28 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: take a date, great place to sit by yourself if 29 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 2: you want, which I might do. For the NBA Cup tonight, 30 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: we will see Paul Danner juniors here. 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: What's up? 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: The Athletic dot Com is a great knicksbeat writer who 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: is on the scene in Vegas for Nick Spurs covering 34 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: a championship. 35 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think should the NFL institute 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: a meaningless Cup in the early season. Maybe that will 37 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 3: help it for some teams that end up playing not 38 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: so important games later in the season. 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: Perhaps that's something in season they could do. I don't 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: know how you would pull that off. Maybe play for 41 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: the first overall pick or something I like that. 42 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 3: Take all the teams that are eliminated, and then they 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 3: just play each other at the end, and the winner 44 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: of said weird tournament ends up with the number one 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 3: overall pick. 46 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: I like it what I watched on Sunday. I don't 47 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: want to watch that team play anymore. 48 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 4: Some good. 49 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 2: I'm all right, I don't need any more of that. 50 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: I'm trying to convince myself that I should actually watch 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: these last three games. 52 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's not. It doesn't feel like. 53 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 3: There's a ton of reason to do so. But you know, 54 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: it is football, It is the team. It is Joe 55 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 3: Burrow playing, which is interesting to see what that will 56 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 3: look like after what we saw and heard last week. Yeah, 57 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: so maybe this week will sound and look different. That 58 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: might be reassuring for some people. 59 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 2: Right now, Paul Danner Junior is here covering the Bengals 60 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: for The Athletic and the Growlar podcast. The latest episode 61 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 2: came out just a short while ago. Go watch that 62 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: on YouTube or get it where you get your podcasts. 63 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: You have been on the Bengals beat for fifteen sixteen years. 64 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 4: Yep, long time. Yeah. 65 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: You've covered a lot of really great days, You've covered 66 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 2: a lot of not so great days. You've covered some 67 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 2: some days that brought about some interesting developments. A lot 68 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: You've seen and heard and watched and been through a 69 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: lot where on the scale of awful days, not on 70 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: the beat, but just awful days for the franchise that 71 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: you've had a front row seat for, does where does 72 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 2: Sunday rank? 73 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: It's approaching the. 74 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 3: Twenty ten press conference right, like, which is the one 75 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: that I think was the gold standards for a wild 76 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: day of just bad day, Like nothing good came of it. 77 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: It's up there because that was one thing that went wrong, right, 78 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 3: This was a combination of everything kind of from the 79 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 3: season and that was bubbling under the surface, all coming 80 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 3: out in one spot. And so it's certainly one of 81 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: the worst individual days I can remember in recent history. 82 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: And it's got to be on a top five list 83 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 3: in the last fifteen years. 84 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 2: The season itself is one of the most miserable in 85 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: my lifetime. Now that's saying something. I've watched bad Bengals 86 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: teams go through bad Bengals seasons from weeks before a 87 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 2: game was played from the Samar Stewart and Trey Hendricks, 88 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: And I'm talking about as a fan. I'm not talking 89 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: about as like a content guy. I just like somebody 90 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 2: who has rooted for this franchise since I was eight 91 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: years old. I liked very little about the offseason. Yet 92 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: there were some pretty big expectations. They get off to 93 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 2: a two and zero start, but that's dampened by the 94 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: Burrow injury. 95 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: So there's all of that. 96 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: There's the five minutes that Flacco was fun, but there's 97 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: how they totally created with Jake Browning. There's how they've 98 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: given away games that they should have won. There's been 99 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: the just exasperation and exhaustion of patients with Duke Tobin 100 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: and Zach Taylor by many people, and understandably so, There's 101 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: been these unpleasant storylines like Jamar Chase spitting on a 102 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: guy like there's there's Joe Burrow's body language and words 103 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: last week, and then there's what that looked like on Sunday, 104 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 2: the final meaningful Stanza looking like a page right out 105 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 2: of nineteen ninety four. This this has been as thoroughly 106 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: unenjoyable as an NFL season can be. 107 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 3: And it's it's exasperating because it comes from a spot of, 108 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 3: like you said, high expectations. This is the prime of 109 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and t Higgins, right, this 110 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: is man. 111 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 4: This is gonna be special. 112 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, continuity and all of these things that you liked 113 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: and such high hopes for this year, and yeah, the 114 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: Burrow injury, those entire seasons for a loose No, that's 115 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: it's the obvious part of this. But for it to 116 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 3: feel so disheartening and like such a huge step backward 117 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 3: from any momentum you felt, because it's like it's easy 118 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 3: to forget that there felt like there was momentum. Even 119 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: though last year wasn't great. They still were incredible on 120 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,119 Speaker 3: offense and went nine to eight, and you felt like, Okay, 121 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 3: there's ways you can fix things. And they did. They 122 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: checked the boxes of who Burrow wanted, so it felt like, Okay, 123 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: he should be in a good place. He's got his 124 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 3: first full off season to feel ready to go. They're 125 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: focused on starting fast. They still have so many winning pieces, 126 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: they have so many of the hard things in the 127 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,480 Speaker 3: NFL taken care of here, you know, And so when 128 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: you had such high expectations and for it to then 129 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: between everything that's happened on and off the field, to 130 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 3: feel so disheartening and like such a aggression of any 131 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 3: momentum and giving up and feeling like so many things 132 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 3: where we're referencing the nineties and yeah, and and historical 133 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 3: stats and uh, there's a hopelessness to that that has 134 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 3: this season has just been kind of caked with. And 135 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: it's also tapped into like Bengals fans worst fears of 136 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 3: the triggering notion of ruining Joe Burrow wasting his prime, 137 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: of reverting to the nineties of his ownership, gonna ruin 138 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: this thing that could be so great? 139 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 4: Will they come back from it? 140 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: Will there be you know, the conversation of continuity that's 141 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: that's happening today right like, is that are we just 142 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: going to go forward? There's just gonna be a dragging 143 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: of your feet and comfortable with the same stuff happening 144 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: over and over again. These are the triggers of Bengals fans, 145 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: certainly specifically really those that have been around yeah for 146 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 3: a while, and they I feel like every trigger has 147 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: beenked right. It's been the fighting over contract stuff that's 148 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: felt silly with multiple people, and botching of off season 149 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: plans that could have been done so much better and 150 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 3: looking like they're asleep at the wheel. All of that 151 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 3: stuff is very triggering of please don't let that be 152 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: the case here and there's been this timeframe where it's 153 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: felt like maybe it's not and maybe Burrow was covering 154 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: up a lot of that, or there are other things 155 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 3: happening reasons why it didn't feel that way, but this 156 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: year has been so full of them, and then Sunday 157 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 3: was kind of all of that coming to a head. 158 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: When you throw in the stuff that happened with the 159 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 3: snow and the fans being frustrated, the cold, and the 160 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 3: worst performance and it just looking bad and everything about 161 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 3: it piled I think all of that stuff that's felt 162 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: triggering and terrible all year kind of felt like it 163 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 3: was all part of one bad Sunday. 164 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: Since mid December of twenty nineteen, I have looked at 165 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 2: almost everything that has happened with this franchise through a 166 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: pretty optimistic filter, through a very rose colored lens. That's 167 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: not to say that everything has gone great, but there's 168 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 2: always been a degree of hope. You know, last year 169 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 2: went poorly, but it's hey, look, Burrow's at the top 170 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: of his game, he's healthy. Fix one or two things 171 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: on defense, they'll be okay. Maybe not championship caliber, but 172 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 2: not that far away. Two years ago, didn't make the postseason. 173 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: You know, what rite it off? Burrow injury, and hey, 174 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: look they made it fun down the stretch. They beat 175 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: the Jags, beat the Vikings. At least they have their 176 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: backup quarterback all right. One year sort of step back, 177 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 2: maybe kind of inevitable after back to back AFC championship games. 178 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 2: They're fine even going back. Burrow's rookie season didn't unfold 179 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 2: the way we would like. But still they got Burrow right, 180 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: there's the benefit of experience he gained, and he'll come 181 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: back and they'll take off, which they did. I have 182 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: for the first time in six years, I've kind of 183 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: stopped looking at things through that lens. And Wednesday was 184 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: the start of it, admittedly, but you take Wednesday and 185 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 2: then you add to it. Not that they lost. I 186 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: said this to you on the Growlery today. I could 187 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: look at the box score and tell you they played poorly. 188 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: You had to have seen that. You had to have 189 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 2: watched that to see what it looked like. Now, Joe 190 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: had help in playing poorly, you know, drops, Jamar Chase, uncharacteristic, 191 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: Andrey Yoshabas Mitchell Tinsley had one of the back in 192 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: the end zone like he had help. But I watched 193 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 2: that second half. I watched the body language. I watched 194 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: the lack of urgency. I watched a quarterback who was 195 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: the antithesis of everything I've come to know and love 196 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 2: about this guy. And I add to it the weirdness 197 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 2: of last Wednesday. Add to it just the way the 198 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: season is unfolded, the lack of patients with people who 199 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: are probably still going to be in place. For me, 200 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: and I'm talking about as a fan, this is the 201 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 2: first time in a while that I have felt this way. 202 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: Everything else has been pretty positive, pretty forward thinking, relatively upbeat. 203 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: Now it's hard to feel that way. Yeah, And we've. 204 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 3: Seen this as we've done you know, I love doing 205 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: our fan survey every year. That'll be fun. Yeah, Well, 206 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: because it's really you can because then you can see 207 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: this coming. 208 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, like you see when you could. 209 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: Go year over year in the same way you've seen 210 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 3: that like tick down. The trust levels have ticked down 211 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: each year the last couple of years. And that's not 212 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: just connected to winning. It's connected to watching how everything's 213 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 3: going down and you're seeing the seeds being planted of 214 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 3: what you're describing now, which is kind of the blooming 215 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: of all of that stuff. That's happening where it's like 216 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: this is this is what it feels like when it 217 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 3: falls apart, and that's really it's it's hard, it's hard 218 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: to look past. 219 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 4: Now. 220 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: I think that this is also stuff that is that 221 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: changes in a few months of an off season. 222 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 4: Oh I'm ready for it. 223 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you know, because you'll get it'll get 224 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 3: explained away and it figured out. A few minor moves 225 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: will happen. Maybe there'll even be a really good week 226 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: of free agency. Maybe there will be a week that 227 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: feels like twenty one or twenty two or whatever in 228 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: free agency where it's like real defensive pieces show up, 229 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 3: and then you'll get excited about the draft and they'll 230 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 3: have a top ten pick and they'll they'll bring somebody 231 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 3: in that you like, and next thing you know, it's 232 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: like you're back. 233 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 4: You're bought in. 234 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 3: Burrows saying all the right things like Burrow will make 235 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 3: you feel better, like yes, the season, the last press 236 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: conference of the season, yea, Burrow will be like I 237 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: believe in everybody here, and you know, I think that 238 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 3: we have the right people in place. It was important 239 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 3: to me that they're here. You can hear this stuff now, 240 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: making soothing, making people feel better and keeping people believing 241 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 3: in that, having hope in that, and that it can 242 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: turn around. 243 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 2: You can write many of your off season stories now 244 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 2: and just play in names. 245 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 5: Ye. 246 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: Right, it's just a matter of who it's gonna be 247 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: and and that's the way. 248 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 4: That's the way it can go. 249 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 3: And that's the way it went honestly around here for 250 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: a long time. I mean when there was rough patches 251 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: or even in the good times of the March and 252 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: the Marvin Lewis era there where where it felt repetitive 253 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 3: the way they would lose in the postseason. But there 254 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 3: was always a reason every year where this next one 255 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: would be different, right, and this is there's a reason 256 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 3: that it could be different. And the bottom line is 257 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 3: they did play the vast majority of this season without 258 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow. The bottom line is the defense did get 259 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: incrementally better since the buye like these you can you 260 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: can like these are the things that are gonna happen. 261 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 3: They are gonna there's gonna be an attempt to build 262 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 3: optimism and hope on it. And why this was an outlier, Well, 263 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 3: convince ourselves of. 264 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: These Oh we will, yeah, I'll you'll take a break 265 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 2: from me in late June, and you'll come back and 266 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: late July do your pre cam show with me, and 267 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: I'll tell you they're gonna win eleven games. I know, 268 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: but but it feels like I'm further away from that 269 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: than I've ever Yeah, in this era. 270 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 3: They any benefit of the doubt that they lived with 271 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: and were bestowed because of all of the goodwill of 272 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: twenty one and twenty two is totally gone. They still 273 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 3: had some before this year. Yes, I think you very 274 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 3: much had some with everybody involved in this and this year, 275 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: calendar year, not season. This calendar year has taken that away. 276 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: I think that's what you're referring to. 277 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 278 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: To me, it's it's the hope that, like well with Burrow, 279 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 3: everybody will rise up. Everything has kind of has changed. 280 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: There is a new way of doing things, and that 281 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: it can feel there. I just think the benefit of 282 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 3: the doubt of it'll be okay with Burrow here Burrow 283 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 3: can help keep this franchise feeling different. It's been clear 284 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 3: that not only maybe he can't, but it could break 285 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 3: him trying. 286 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 4: To do so. 287 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: The highlight of the last calendar year was the t 288 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: and Jamar press conference, and even that came with it 289 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: this tinge of not regret, but okay, are they really 290 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: going to fix the other stuff? Why did this take 291 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: as long as it did? How much are they going 292 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 2: to be in peril because of the length of time 293 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: it took to get these two done? Like it the 294 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: high point of your calendar year. Can't be a press conference? 295 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: Yeah for two players who have been here for a while. 296 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: The Steelers game, okay, the Flacco that was fun. 297 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, like I'm a Flacoh. 298 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: Thursday night against the Steelers, I would say, was I'm 299 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 3: a Flaco fan for life. 300 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a Flaco fan for life because of that 301 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 2: that was that was a blast. And the days right 302 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: after that when you were kind of like convincing yourself, 303 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: all right, you know, maybe maybe maybe they can buy 304 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: just enough time to mid December and the like the 305 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: cruel irony of it all is Burrow came back earlier, 306 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: earlier than we were into this is the week we 307 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: were targeting him coming back, like, oh, just keep it 308 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: afloat until the Miami game. 309 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 3: Well, no one could, including. 310 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 4: Joe, Yeah, no one could, including Joe. 311 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 3: And and even Thanksgiving into that into that mix where 312 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 3: it was like rice is fun what a cool, feel 313 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 3: good story and and you know it's it's the week 314 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 3: to week of this league, and you got it. You 315 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: do have to come back and and look at it 316 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: through the whole picture at the end. And I just 317 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 3: you know, from my angle where I sit, I hope 318 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: that however they go forward, that there are real lessons 319 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: that enact change in the way that they operate. If 320 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: it is going to be the same people doing it, 321 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 3: that there can be change in the understanding what happened 322 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 3: off the field this year and the impact that it 323 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 3: had in the on field product, the airs that it created, 324 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 3: and how much of that lack of weather we're talking 325 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 3: about communication across everybody, which was the you know, the 326 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: word that of the of the year back in January, 327 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: February and March. Communication and all of that to the 328 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 3: mistakes that it ended up leading to of not having 329 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 3: a team that was built up well enough to handle it, 330 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 3: specifically defensively this year, that all sides learn something, whether 331 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 3: it's clarity, whether it's how to approach things, whether it's 332 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 3: the need to be far more aggressive in what they're doing, 333 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 3: that there can be some kind of lessons. That's where 334 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: the hope is going to have to live, because any 335 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: hope that you're talking about is not gonna it's not 336 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 3: gonna come from from anybody that's currently here now. It's 337 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 3: gonna have to come from people that are acquired in 338 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 3: free agency, making things feel different or something that sounds 339 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 3: and feels different other than what we've kind of gotten. 340 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 2: This three fifteen less Sunday, the Bengals are in Buffalo, 341 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 2: leading by ten. Burrow has played great, and I'm like, dude, 342 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 2: like this this may happen. And exactly one week later, 343 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: at around three fifteen on Sunday, I'm watching a team 344 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: that looks like it's checked out and I barely finish 345 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 2: the game like it was. It was remarkable to me 346 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 2: how quickly I went just me. I went from all right, man, 347 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 2: like get a stop here, and they will have gone 348 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 2: to Buffalo and bad weather and beating the Bills again, 349 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: and the Ravens are coming, and boy, here we go 350 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: to four and ten, wondering if Burrough should play. There's 351 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: a disconnect and I feel nothing but despare. 352 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 4: Welcome to the margins in the NFL. 353 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: Twenty four minutes after three o'clock. He's Paul Danner Junior. 354 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: I'm Moeger. He's here till four. I'm here till six. 355 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: We're at Oakley Greens in Oakley on ESPN fifteen thirty 356 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports. 357 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 4: Station twenty nine. 358 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 2: After three o'clock he ESPN fifteen thirty, we're broadcasting from 359 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: Oakley Greens. We went along that segment, so I got 360 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 2: to get back on time. We will talk about Joe Burrow. 361 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: We will talk about how the Bengals changed without firing people, 362 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 2: players who have stuff to prove over these last three games, 363 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 2: and what happened with Zach Moss because he called him 364 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: the worst franchise in sports, and I want to spend 365 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: some time on that. Paul Day and her juniors here 366 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: from the Growler podcast and the Athletic dot Com. 367 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: He wrote a piece today that. 368 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 2: It was well written and uh and insightful and comes 369 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 2: from a place of being very well sourced. 370 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 3: I'm not sure it's going to be received very well. 371 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I don't this is not I don't want 372 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 3: it to be like this, Like I don't want to 373 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 3: be the one that has to say this stuff. I 374 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 3: feel bad. I felt like I opened the podcast day 375 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 3: and I just said I'm sorry, like I don't. 376 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's not my fault. 377 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 5: You. 378 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 2: The headline of the piece should have been well, actually, 379 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: well right, because that's what it was. Yeah, yeah, you're 380 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 2: you're the well actually Paul Damis, Yeah, I'm sorry. 381 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 3: Well actually I hate I hate to be the bearer 382 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 3: of bad news, which is you know, this is for 383 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 3: some people, very bad news. And that's just I'm sorry. 384 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: That's all I can say. 385 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 2: Go read that at the Athletic dot Com. 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Meanwhile, 407 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 2: college basketball tonight, the undefeated Miami RedHawks take on Wright State. 408 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 2: The Dayton Flyers have a game tonight against Florida State, 409 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 2: and hockey this evening, the Blue Jackets skate against the 410 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: Anaheim Ducks Paul Danner Juniors. Was any Bengals news anything happened? 411 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 3: Not that enough? 412 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: What is the most responsible way to process and talk 413 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: about everything that has happened over the last half week 414 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: With Joe. 415 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 3: Burrow, I don't know. I mean, I think I think 416 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 3: having some perspective over where he's at in how hard 417 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 3: this year has been for him, like, I just think 418 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 3: understanding that these the end of long seasons that are 419 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 3: very challenging on multiple fronts leave you in weird places 420 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 3: that take time to recover from. And he has been 421 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 3: forced to speak to us when he is probably not 422 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 3: fully mentally recovered from what he's had to go through 423 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 3: in terms of obviously his incredible strain to get back 424 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 3: from the injury and then to come back to a 425 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 3: team that went one to eight without him and recognize 426 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 3: how steep the cline was going to be when he's like, man, 427 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 3: I got myself back and playing, and then and then 428 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 3: and then to lose a game in a way that 429 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: it felt like they lost every game in twenty twenty 430 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 3: four in Buffalo, and what. 431 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 4: That does to you. I just feel like the whole thing. 432 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: He could probably have used an off season to come 433 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 3: back in April and be like rejuvenated in a better 434 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 3: head space, but he's had to because he's come back 435 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 3: kind of emote and go through it therapeutically a little 436 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 3: bit in front of us. And I think that's hard. 437 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 3: I think that's hard when you're dealing with a lot 438 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 3: of new feelings a little bit, you know what I mean. 439 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: I think he's coming to terms with a lot of 440 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 3: the stuff of where the cape's kind of been ripped 441 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: off of him a little bit, and how hard the 442 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 3: rehab must have been. And I just think perspective on 443 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 3: how hard this year has been on him, and some 444 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: grace that probably should be given to him because of 445 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: that is where I start. 446 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 2: Obviously a lot of folks have taken this conversation and 447 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: advanced it to places where Joe was going to request 448 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 2: to trade this offseason and which team should be, you know, 449 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,679 Speaker 2: pushing the other ones out of the way to go 450 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: ahead and trade for him, And he's gonna pull a 451 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 2: car Center, He's gonna pull and Andrew Luck. All of 452 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: that stuff seem to me to be premature, right, Yes, 453 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 2: you agree, yes, But but I do understand why people 454 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 2: go there. 455 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there's the reputation here over the law 456 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 3: Hall is earned, there's a history of it, and people 457 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 3: can literally reference another number one overall pick yeah, who's done. 458 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 3: Like I understand why it goes there, I also understand 459 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 3: that this is the NFL entertainment business. This is how 460 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 3: it goes. There is some preconceived notion, some thing that 461 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 3: that will fill airwaves and that has right. I mean, 462 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: it's like, why do people talk about Tim Tebow so much? 463 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 4: One thing? 464 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,959 Speaker 3: Why do people talk There's just there are certain things. 465 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 3: And since the day that Joe Burrow was potentially going 466 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: to become a bangle in twenty twenty, this has been 467 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 3: a thing of Joe Burrow doesn't want to be in Cincinnati, 468 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 3: And there is this idea that at every turn, whenever 469 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 3: it can feel like you can say it, it's gonna 470 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 3: be said loud, and it's by a lot of people, 471 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: is that Joe Burrow is never gonna want to be INSINCENTI. 472 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 3: He can't want to be in Cincinnati. I think that's 473 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 3: fueled by a lot of people with agendas across the 474 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 3: league that will help build that up. And whatever if 475 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 3: it's if it's networks, if it's shouty shows, if it's 476 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 3: whatever like that stuff that that does drive attention. He's 477 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 3: a star in a small market that has been forever criticized. 478 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 3: So yes, it's gonna be obvious people are gonna try 479 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 3: to plant that seat a little bit. And so I 480 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 3: just think that's that's where so much of this comes from. 481 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: Yet Joe Burrow knows all that. 482 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so when. 483 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 2: He offers this demeanor that is different than what we see. 484 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: He knows that, he knows where that's gonna go, and 485 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 2: he knows how it's gonna be consumed. So I think 486 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 2: then people go, well, he's he's using that platform to 487 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: send a message. 488 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 3: Maybe, but that message can be misconstrued potentially. But I've said, 489 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 3: I feel like there's some version of smoke here obviously right. 490 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 4: After the game. 491 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think that there's there's 492 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: anything like that. 493 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 2: But I also something's broken, Yes, like something between Wednesday 494 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 2: and Sunday. Your takeaway doesn't have to be he's going 495 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 2: to demand a trade or he's going to retire. My 496 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 2: takeaway is something's off, which, by the way, they're four 497 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 2: and ten, things are going to be off. 498 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 4: But there is. 499 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 2: I think we first suspected it on Wednesday, and then 500 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 2: to me that game on Sunday, just how it looked, 501 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 2: not that they lost, how it looked like something's a miss, 502 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 2: something's fractured. 503 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it feels that way with 504 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 3: with where he's at and I and I think whatever 505 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 3: he was maybe trying to do on Wednesday maybe didn't 506 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 3: come across how he wanted or mean, he just wants 507 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 3: it to be clear that he's not happy, or maybe 508 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 3: he didn't like how people were contemplating that he lost 509 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: his edge because he was happy to play with his 510 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 3: friends and talked about that after both Thanksgiving and Buffalo. Yeah, 511 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 3: and maybe he wanted to make it clear that I'm 512 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 3: not happy with losing whatever, like you said, some version 513 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 3: of the calculated. 514 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 4: I don't know. 515 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 3: I mean, none of us can pretend to be inside 516 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 3: a jumps He's a very unique dude. Yeah, and so 517 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: I can't say what his thing was, but you know, 518 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 3: you do get the sense that he probably didn't like 519 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 3: the way that it came out, and I think it 520 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: was fitting or at least very notable. How he instantly 521 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 3: said this was not about Cincinnati on Sunday to make 522 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 3: it clear that, you know, I don't want this to 523 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 3: be about my teammates or the people in this building. 524 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 3: It's just whatever I'm going through. But yeah, I do 525 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 3: think he wants to make it clear I'm not happy 526 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 3: and that. 527 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 4: It's it's it's. 528 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 3: Time and this is what I wrote. It's time for 529 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 3: this organization to build this dude back up. Yeah, like 530 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 3: they it is their responsibility. I'm not putting it on 531 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 3: Joe anymore. He has done enough carrying, okay, and this 532 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 3: dude has been through it. It is time for this 533 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,159 Speaker 3: organization to finally really build this dude back up and 534 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 3: put a team around him that can allow him to 535 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: not feel like he has to be perfect all the 536 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 3: time and not feel like the weight of the world 537 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 3: is on him all the time. He may still put 538 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: it on himself to some degree, but they just have 539 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 3: to and if they can't do it this year, then 540 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 3: it's on them whatever hell happens next. 541 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: You wrote last week about basically Joe Burrow the football genius, 542 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: good time, good time. I know, I know that one 543 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 2: didn't go so I read that in the fourth quarter 544 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: on sad It. 545 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 4: I know, I know it was bad time. 546 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 6: Up to this point, up to this point, his ability 547 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 6: to set protections and and like diagnose everything that was 548 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 6: going and then he goes out and has maybe his 549 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 6: worst game in that regard that we've seen. 550 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 3: I don't know. It's my fault. I take this is 551 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 3: my fault. I'm sorry. This is why we just shouldn't 552 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:01,719 Speaker 3: write anything. 553 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 4: Okay, It's like you just shouldn't write anything. You know, 554 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 4: like it's immediately gonna be proven wrong. 555 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: Apparently, when when you say you stuff on the radio, 556 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 2: it just sort of goes away. 557 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 4: For the last part. 558 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 2: You put that on the Athletic that that bad boy 559 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 2: Liz forever. 560 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: I believe he will come back and still be good 561 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 3: at this. It was just a one off. It's just 562 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 3: a one off. 563 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 2: Like, all right, I got more to ask you. It's 564 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: quarter to four. Paul Danner, Junior, the Athletic dot Com 565 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: on the Growler Podcast. He's here till four at Oakley Greens. 566 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: We were here till six on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati 567 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: Sports Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. 568 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 5: Traffic from the UC Health Traffic Center u See Cancer 569 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 5: Center offers advanced surgical options for complex liver and pancreas cancers, 570 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 5: and clinical trials you won't find anywhere else. Get a 571 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 5: second opinion now call five one three five eighty five. 572 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 5: UCCC five past four now reopened from an earlier accident 573 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 5: at State Route one twenty nine. However, expect some residual 574 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 5: delays on in through there southbound seventy five. It's an 575 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 5: accident on the left shoulder between Union Center Boulevard in 576 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 5: two seventy five and that he's like with traffic this. 577 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 2: Report thirty Paul Danner Junior for another few minutes. 578 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 3: We've reached the point of the season. 579 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: Why I watched games from my fingers because Joe Burrow 580 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: is gonna play. 581 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, anything that can change that, I don't know. It 582 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 3: seems like he's going to do they want him to, 583 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 3: he wants to, So I think he's gonna play. 584 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 4: By te Higgins, I don't know. 585 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: I mean, the fact that he was back kind of 586 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 3: even in any capacity in practice, makes you think that 587 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 3: it's it's possible. I don't love the idea of him 588 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 3: going back out there the rest of the year, but 589 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: you know, we don't. We don't know. It's hard. It's 590 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 3: hard to know right now with when you get into 591 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 3: concussion protocol stuff. 592 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 4: But Jamar Stewart, Yeah, I think you're gonna see him soon. 593 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if there's anything be kind of nice. 594 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 3: If there's anything to get out of these last three weeks, 595 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 3: it's that dude needs wraps. 596 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, and so just. 597 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 3: Put him out there and let him play a ton 598 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 3: and make mistakes and whatever, and just because the thing 599 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 3: that he's missing is he just doesn't have any experience 600 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 3: he did. He didn't get any hardly in the offseason. 601 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 3: He you know, he was limited with it. It really 602 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 3: been injured almost all year. Let him go play and 603 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 3: just what who the games won't matter anyway, Just get 604 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 3: him a bunch of snaps. 605 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of letting guys play so they can make mistakes, 606 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: Genostone gonna be unchallenged last three games at this point, 607 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 2: what's the matter, right? I kind of want to watch 608 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 2: the last three games the Geno Stone players that. 609 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, why not? 610 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 5: No? 611 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 4: Why not? Just let him? 612 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 3: Let him play? 613 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 2: Zack Moss sounded off on the whole seat snow blowing thing. 614 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 2: He says, it's worse franchise in sports. Uh take us 615 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: back to how things end it with Zach Mows and 616 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: so should he have an axe to grind? 617 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 4: Uh? 618 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he. I don't think he loved how 619 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 3: everything was handled with his next situation. I remember writing 620 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 3: that way, but it kind of feels like forever. Yeah, 621 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 3: it was back in the beginning of August. Wasn't that 622 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 3: long ago? But yeah, I mean, I don't think he 623 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 3: loved the way things were handled with his injury. And 624 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 3: now when he talked to me, he didn't go as 625 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 3: far as to go there. But you could tell that 626 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 3: he wasn't super thrilled with everything. But I think he 627 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 3: was also wrestling with like if his career was over 628 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 3: or not. And I also think that there was a 629 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 3: lot of stuff going on there. So yeah, I mean 630 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 3: when it ends weird, then yeah, you're gonna have some 631 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 3: kind of an extagrind. But I don't that that one 632 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: came out of left field for me. I didn't didn't 633 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 3: see I didn't see the Zach Moss. 634 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 2: No, from the top, I didn't think Zach Moss would 635 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 2: be somebody I ever talked about again. And nothing against Zach, 636 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 2: but I just figured I'd shove him away forever and 637 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: that would be it. 638 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 4: But back in our lives, back in our lives. 639 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 2: No snow on the seats in the press box. 640 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 3: Everything was fine. 641 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was great, actually really enjoyable experience for me. 642 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no issues, It must be must be nice. 643 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 2: It was nice that the chip ice off the seat 644 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 2: before you sit down and watch the game. 645 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a pretty stunning one to walk up to, 646 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 3: like just to just to sit down and just be like, wait, yeah, 647 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: everything is covered, yes, you know it looked. It was 648 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: pretty It looked gorgo actually was and it's very aesthetically pleasing. 649 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 4: Uh, misopportunity. 650 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: I drove, I drove downtown. We did our show at 651 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: the Grail, you did yours. Next I saw you walking past. 652 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 2: You could not have looked more miserable and that cold, 653 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 2: and we talked about it on the air. 654 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 3: Oh I didn't. Well, I knew, I knew. So I 655 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 3: really wanted to go get a shot of the river 656 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 3: steaming because it looks cool. And I was like, I'm 657 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 3: gonna go get the shot. I don't care how cold 658 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 3: it is. And then as soon as I started walking 659 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,479 Speaker 3: and I heard your guys voices to the grail we 660 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 3: saw you, I was like, oh, no, they're going to 661 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 3: say something. Yeah, And I was that fine, you know what, 662 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: say what they want. I don't care. I don't care. 663 00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 4: It is cold, so what. 664 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: But anyway, so as coming down seventy five and turn 665 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 2: on to you know, second Street, you could see the 666 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 2: upper deck of the stadium and it looks like an 667 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: arena does when everybody gets a white T shirt at 668 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 2: their seats. 669 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 4: Yes, it looked cool. That was my first thought. 670 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 3: I said, Oh, are they doing like a white T shirt? 671 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 3: Playoff game? Truly, that was my number one my initial thought. 672 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 3: And then I looked close and I leaned in a 673 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 3: little bit, and I was like, that's all snow. Yeah, 674 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 3: how about that? All snow? 675 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 4: Snow? How about that? Who knew? And then I had 676 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,720 Speaker 4: the snarky tweet. 677 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 3: You getta push back for that? No, I don't know. 678 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 3: Maybe if there was, what are you gonna say? 679 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's a fact. They didn't blow 680 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 2: off the seat. 681 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 3: It was just it was just a fact. 682 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 4: Here it is welcome we fans for coming to the game. 683 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 3: Here it is. 684 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 4: Here's you're coming in to the game. Here's your your 685 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 4: s sheets covered in sea. 686 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 2: Here's the thing, though, if you if you know that 687 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 2: that's going to be the case, you bring in like bourbon, 688 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 2: well Bourbon slush with snow on this. It's that's clean snow. 689 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 4: Yeah. 690 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 3: At my house, whenever it snows like this and we're 691 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 3: stuck inside, my kids made snow cream. We go, we 692 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 3: get the ice cream, mix it up with like the 693 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 3: vanilla and the cream and everything, and you make like, 694 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 3: that's what they should have done. They should have had that. Yeah, everybody, 695 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 3: we we left it on your seat so that you 696 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 3: could have a free ice cream at your sea. 697 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 2: We have flavored snow dye. Yeah, problem is we left 698 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 2: the flavored snow dye sit outside, so it also froze, yeah, 699 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 2: and thus was not usable. My daughter was taking one 700 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 2: of the bottles of flavored frozen snow dye and like 701 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 2: like trying to like beat it against the chairy what 702 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 2: you don't She's like, I'm trying to make it, you know, 703 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: liquid again. 704 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like that's that's really. 705 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 2: Not how it works. That's not how it works. Run 706 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 2: onto some hot water for you. All right, Well, thank 707 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 2: you as always. It was pleasure, It really was. 708 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me. 709 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:42,399 Speaker 3: Thanks you for coming. 710 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior the Athletic dot Com covering the Bengals 711 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 2: the Growl of podcast. Follow him at Paul Danner Junior 712 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 2: and uh eighty one degrees in Miami. 713 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 3: On side going, I am going, all right, yes, I 714 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 3: have I have a book. Okay, I plan on being 715 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 3: near a pool. Oh I mean, and uh, I'm gonna 716 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 3: enjoy that and I'm gonna try to make the most 717 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 3: out of it. Nice. That's all I can do. And 718 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 3: then you know, obviously really gonna grind over the tape 719 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 3: of this game. 720 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 2: I will be in Greenville, South Carolina for UC versus 721 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 2: Clemson O game with major NCAA turn him. 722 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 4: Absolutely please absolutely Have you been? Have you been to Greenville? 723 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 3: No? No, Well, I'm sure there'll be a great experience. Yeah, 724 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 3: it's not bad. 725 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 2: Paul Danner, junior at the Athletic dot Com. I'm sure 726 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 2: Greenville is lovely. 727 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 3: It is. 728 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 2: You talk about a team that has me salty. You 729 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 2: would do another hour? Huh No, No, you want to 730 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 2: do an you want to do a whole other hour. 731 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 3: I don't think it would matter whether I was here. 732 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 3: We would just mention that team and then you would 733 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 3: just go off for an hour. So I'll just leave 734 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 3: and keep listening in. 735 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 2: My life right now? Yeah, I know, all right, We're 736 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 2: at Oakley Greens. Paul's leaving. We're here till six. This 737 00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 2: is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati sports station.