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Speaker 1: It's time for another edition of May in your Face Now,

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Speaker 1: along with College Football Immortality Glenn Mason, here's Dan Burrero.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even sure I would recognize our next guest.

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Speaker 2: It's been so long since we've been face to face,

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Speaker 2: and I was devastated to learn from Guardzi yesterday that

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Speaker 2: we weren't going to be face to face today. That

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Speaker 2: the guy who says he embraces Minnesota winters, you know

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Speaker 2: that he's one of us, or might as well be

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Speaker 2: one of us, suddenly says, oh, actually I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go to Florida.

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Speaker 3: Now, do you want to explain yourself?

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Speaker 4: I got, you know, every once in a while, I

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Speaker 4: got to get something off my chest. Let me do it.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, and you married.

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Speaker 4: A couple of years ago, I got on your show

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Speaker 4: and I said, you know, don't you hate when guys

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Speaker 4: big time? You remember that story, yes, about having a

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Speaker 4: unch and Whisetta, And the guy talked, I see what

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Speaker 4: your dog's running? And he went to this other guy

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Speaker 4: and the other guy says, oh, I got a private

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Speaker 4: gym in my house and I got a personal trainer

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Speaker 4: to come over, you know. And I didn't want to

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Speaker 4: throw the guy into the bus. So I just referred

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Speaker 4: to him as Joey D for me, Dina. Okay, leave

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Speaker 4: it at that. Well, let me just say I ran

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Speaker 4: into Joey D from a dine at the airport today

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Speaker 4: at the Delta Lounge, and he was going on the

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Speaker 4: same flight as I was, and I was talking, and

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Speaker 4: of course he had to tell me that he sits

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Speaker 4: in first class. So anyway, you know, and it's kind

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Speaker 4: of big time again. He got in first class and

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Speaker 4: I got my normal seat. When I got off, very tindly,

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Speaker 4: I said, gee, Joy, now you going my way? I

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Speaker 4: got a car. Can I give you a ride? And

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Speaker 4: he promptly tells me no, I have my chauffeur picking

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Speaker 4: me up. Wow, you know do you have to do that? Really? Huh?

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Speaker 3: Well, you kind of have a chauffeur too, No chauffeur.

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Speaker 4: I went over to the car to go up and

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Speaker 4: carry rove. You know. By the way, that's why didn't you,

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Speaker 4: little bit from when I'm just going to the airport, Why.

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Speaker 3: Didn't you drive to Florida? Why didn't you love to

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Speaker 3: drive see the country?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I do, but I'm I'm only going to be here

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Speaker 4: a week, and I when I take those long road tips,

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Speaker 4: I take top my dog with me, and that's not

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Speaker 4: happening this time. Is that?

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Speaker 3: Well, so the pooch is going to mishot that you

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Speaker 3: guys are tight.

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Speaker 4: The pooch is down in Prior Lake. Yeah, I got

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Speaker 4: someone staying at my house.

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Speaker 3: Got some connections.

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Speaker 4: Okay, But but the dog likes to go down to

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Speaker 4: see the grandkids in Prior Lake when I'm out of town.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, All right, So let me ask you something. Can we,

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Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form, blame you for the

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Speaker 2: news that Coy Parrisch has entered the transfer portal?

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Speaker 4: You blame me?

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Speaker 3: Ye?

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Speaker 4: Can't?

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Speaker 3: I I want to.

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Speaker 2: I want to think somehow you like put some ideas

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Speaker 2: in his head that, you know, maybe there's greener pastures

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Speaker 2: someplace else. I I just feel like I'm giving you

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Speaker 2: a chance to fess up if that's true.

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Speaker 3: That's all.

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Speaker 4: No, I No, I was sad to see him leave. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: in state player is a good safety. Now greener pastors

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Speaker 4: do you mean green as in more green money? I

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Speaker 4: mean that's what's happening in college athletics right now. So

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Speaker 4: you're talking to the wrong guy. You gotta be talking

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Speaker 4: to the big hitter Minnesota backers. They got to open

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Speaker 4: those checkbooks if they like it or not. They want

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Speaker 4: to keep those players there or get new players, they

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Speaker 4: gotta they gotta belly up. I mean, I find it despicable,

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Speaker 4: but that's how the game is being played. Now.

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Speaker 2: That's it now, right, I mean, that's the that's the reality.

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Speaker 2: That's the word. That's probably I'm guessing another reason why

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Speaker 2: you don't miss any any like emotion left about a

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Speaker 2: career you loved being a head coaching.

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Speaker 4: This this would be all the reasons why I wouldn't

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Speaker 4: have got into college coaching. It's not college coaching. It's

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Speaker 4: semi pro football, even worse because they don't have a

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Speaker 4: collective bargaining greet. But you know, we talked long and

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Speaker 4: hard about about your alma mater, Indiana, and that's the

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Speaker 4: greatest turnaround ever. They went to the national championship. That

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Speaker 4: guy Kurtsy that he's the new goat of coaching. The

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Speaker 4: only thing even close to that turnaround that I saw

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Speaker 4: it was the job that Bill Snyder did at Kansas State.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking about two perennial losing programs, and

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Speaker 4: except for a brief period where Bill Mallory was there,

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Speaker 4: and and had incredible and going to bowl games and

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Speaker 4: winning and beating the highest state on occasion. But it

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Speaker 4: is pale in comparison to this. But here's the amazing thing.

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Speaker 4: How they did it, I'm not sure, but they like

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Speaker 4: it and they're throwing more fuel on the fire. Do

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Speaker 4: you see all these guys in the portal Good schools

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Speaker 4: are going to Indiana. They're lining up, they want to

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Speaker 4: go there. Yes, I mean, it's amazing. And then you know,

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Speaker 4: and that's what happens that everybody jumps on the bandwagon.

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Speaker 4: I saw after that Rose Boulder College president Tema. I

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Speaker 4: don't know her, but man, she was out there. You

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Speaker 4: thought she was one of the cheerleaders. I mean, because

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Speaker 4: her life is easy right now, I mean, besides Kirk Signety.

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Speaker 4: I mean, she's the most popular person in Indiana because

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Speaker 4: she's gonna say she was responsible for bringing them there,

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Speaker 4: and they like it and they want more of it.

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Speaker 2: It is, it's intoxicating. I'm not gonna lie to you.

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Speaker 2: I I don't know. Remember this is me talking, mister Sinnek.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I've ever watched a game that

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed more that I drank in more than Indiana Alabama.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's again, it's kind because Indiana has been

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Speaker 2: one of the historically worst programs in college major college

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Speaker 2: football history. But Mace, I got to tell you, and

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Speaker 2: I as a guy who believes I think in no

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Speaker 4: Now here's what here's my operation. You know, and we've

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Speaker 4: talked about this ever. You know, when I watch a game,

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Speaker 4: I'm nonpartisan. You know, I'm not really a Big ten

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Speaker 4: a high state fan, Minnesota fan. I watch it as

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Speaker 4: a football coach that thinks he knows what he's talking about.

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Speaker 4: And one of the things that all these announcers are

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Speaker 4: missing a big point Dan they want to talk about

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Speaker 4: Mendoz of the court. Yeah, but here's the thing that

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Speaker 4: those guys that Kirk Sinnetti has Indiana doing better than

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Speaker 4: anybody in college football right now. It's called playing as

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Speaker 4: a team. You can't tell me they got so much

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Speaker 4: more talent than Alabama. They play better together as a team.

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Speaker 4: And football is the greatest team sport that's ever been

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Speaker 4: invented and easier said than done. But that's the challenge

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Speaker 4: when you take an in state kid and an that

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Speaker 4: a big kid, a small kid, a fast kid and

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Speaker 4: you get them all playing together as a team. And

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Speaker 4: that's what Indiana has right now. The second part, they

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Speaker 4: are well coached. You look at it and you think, man,

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Speaker 4: they don't make mistakes. You see what they're doing. I

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Speaker 4: understand what they're doing. Good game plan, good execution. They

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Speaker 4: don't beat themselves, they let the opponent beat themselves.

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Speaker 2: And it's all true. Everything you say is one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent true. And I mentioned this to Guardsia yesterday. What's

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Speaker 2: interesting to me going into that game. I watched the

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Speaker 2: pregame show that included your guy, your good friend, Nick Saban, Okay,

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Speaker 2: and they did they get to that prediction part, and look,

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Speaker 2: I get it, predictions You take a shot who no

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Speaker 2: one knows, right, not even former coaches know. But you

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Speaker 2: get to that spot and what does Saban say, I'm

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Speaker 2: picking Alabama. I think they got their mojo back last

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Speaker 2: week and Indiana's you know, it's been a great year.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's Alabama.

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Speaker 2: And to me, what it reminds me of Mace is

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Speaker 2: that it's not just fans and media that sometimes fall

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Speaker 2: into those traps of what was. And so even then,

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Speaker 2: as complimentary as Nick has been about IU, it was more.

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Speaker 2: Now Alabama got their mojo back last week against Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: They're going to win the game.

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Speaker 2: And then you see the mismatch, utter mismatch that it

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Speaker 2: ended up being. And you say, even coaches I think

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Speaker 4: Well, let me just say it. Two things on that. One,

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Speaker 4: what would you expect Nick Saban to do? He still

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Speaker 4: has an office. He lives in Tuscaloos, but he has

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Speaker 4: an office there. They're still paying him five hundred thousand

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Speaker 4: dollars a year. And he's gonna pick Indiana. Come on,

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Speaker 4: he might have thought it's hard, but he's a smart guy.

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Speaker 4: He's not gonna do You're not gonna do that. The

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Speaker 4: second thing, and I heard someone say this, the way

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Speaker 4: that the Hoosias are playing right now, if they weren't Indiana,

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Speaker 4: if they were Ohio State, or they were Texas, where

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Speaker 4: they were Georgia, or they're in Alabama, and people saying

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Speaker 4: this might be the best football team of all time.

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Speaker 4: But they're still Indiana, and each and every week they're

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Speaker 4: proving everybody wrong.

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Speaker 2: Is this sustainable at a place like Indiana.

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Speaker 4: You know, first of all, I didn't think it could

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Speaker 4: know what what the rerun would be this year. But

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Speaker 4: the way they're going about it, they're not sitting on

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Speaker 4: their laurels. I mean they're working. You know. I saw

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Speaker 4: and certain Signetti said they had twelve to fourteen transfer

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Speaker 4: top transfer players from around the country on their campus

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Speaker 4: right now and they're backing up. Believe me, those guys

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Speaker 4: aren't showing up just because Indiana is having success right now.

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Speaker 4: People are on the phone and they're saying, come on here,

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Speaker 4: and you know what we're gonna pay you. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: know what your salary's gonna be. You know what we're

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Speaker 4: gonna give you. Because that's what's going on right now.

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Speaker 4: I saw where the Sinner who won the most Valuable

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Speaker 4: Player of the game, mainly because kerk Herpstey talked it up.

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Speaker 4: You know, he was in a picket that way, but

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Speaker 4: he talked about what he was going to do leaving

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Speaker 4: Notre Dame. Can imagine leaving Notre Dame when you were

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Speaker 4: a player and you're going to Indiana. Yes, And he

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Speaker 4: got a call and he wasn't sure. He said, Well,

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Speaker 4: then when they got down to talking about the NIL deal,

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Speaker 4: it made up my mind because he was gonna make

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Speaker 4: more money in the NIL at Indiana than he was

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Speaker 4: as a rookie in the National Football League.

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Speaker 2: So well, you know what, Guardsian, what should we do?

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Speaker 2: Should we go to twenty seven or break now? Because

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Speaker 2: sooner or later we got we got another guest at

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Speaker 2: four thirty. What's the best? All right, let's let's keep

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Speaker 2: going because it lends to the obvious question about where

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Speaker 2: does this leave a school, like you know, in the

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Speaker 2: University of Minnesota. Because it's true that the money is

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Speaker 2: now pouring into Indiana, but we cannot forget that there

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Speaker 2: was a galvanizing historic season last year. Now again, they

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Speaker 2: got exposed a little bit late, but it felt like

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Speaker 2: something different was going on, and that's what has helped

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Speaker 2: to perpetuate Mark Cuban jumping on the bandwagon a few

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it normally doesn't work that way, you know what

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite the rest of the way,

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: What I you know this this is this is tough, dudey.

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Speaker 4: You know it's tough to pick because, uh, Indiana already

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Speaker 4: And I see where Oregon's running back is out. Uh

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Speaker 4: I really are. They're playing with a vengeance. I wish

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Speaker 4: I'm not you know, I'm I'm believing in Indiana. I

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Speaker 2: By the way, did India's destruction of Alabama mean to

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Speaker 3: Or is that too easy after the fact?

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Speaker 4: Well, it would it lands to that lends to that credibility.

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Speaker 4: Kayla and the board down in Tuscaloosa right now, you know,

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Speaker 4: you know, old Nick Saban, he's such a nice guy

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Speaker 4: all that stuff. No oney here ever said that about

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Speaker 3: Are you a Kyle Whittingham guy?

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Speaker 2: Do you do you know much about him, the former

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I have two thoughts. I don't really know Kyle.

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Speaker 4: was surprised when, you know, the Utah was going to

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Speaker 4: fired pretty good sixty six years old. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: amazing the trends that go all of a sudden. Now,

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Speaker 4: thought says, well, you know, you Signetty, he's sixty four

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Speaker 4: years old. He did a good job at Indiana. You know,

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Speaker 4: we've had some of these guys in here. You know

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Speaker 4: He was a good assistant, but he know everything else

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Speaker 4: that we didn't know about his other issues and right

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Speaker 4: now we got a mess. Maybe we better bring a

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Speaker 3: Six' five to.

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Speaker 2: One Guy roger From roseville is admonishing both of.

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Speaker 3: Us here's what he, writes good.

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Speaker 2: Grief after listening To dan And may's, talk you'd Think

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Speaker 2: indiana had won everything for the past five.

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Speaker 3: Years how about some.

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Speaker 2: Standards let's have them win a national championship before crowning

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Speaker 3: Team what do you say To roger From?

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Speaker 4: Roseville you know, WHAT i think he's dead. WRONG i

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Speaker 4: think he got to look on what they've done the

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Speaker 2: Place that's not that's not it isn't THAT'S i mean,

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Speaker 2: AGAIN i know people, think, Well i'm looking at it

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Speaker 4: Wrong, YEAH i would say this if they win the national,

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Speaker 4: the coach of the. Year he should be the coach

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Speaker 2: Century Ask mace How Coy parritch will look In Who's

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Speaker 2: Your cream And crimson?

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Speaker 3: INTERESTING i don't.

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Speaker 4: KNOW i, SAW i don't. Know whatever you see on social,

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Speaker 4: i know That Ohio state was on in the mix with,

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Speaker 3: Knows i'm not sure he's.

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Speaker 4: GOOD i know THAT i know the kid that LEFT

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Speaker 3: Daniels he had a.

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Speaker 4: Long day in that last.

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Speaker 3: Game, yeah, YEAH i don't want to tell.

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Speaker 4: Didn't they didn'tive him any. Help who should have been

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Speaker 4: Fabulous about eighty? Degrees, Sonny no Wins.

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Speaker 2: we're gonna Let we're gonna let you. Go we'll chat

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Speaker 2: with you next. Week Thanks mace as always have fun

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Speaker 2: national focal point. Again it's exhaust not to mention, tragic is, It?

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00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 7: Dan this is absolute? Mayhap but in slow. Motion this

434
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 7: is a really bad movie with a horrific. Ending And,

435
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 7: dan my mind is all over the place and prayers

436
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 7: out to that woman's. Family but WHEN i saw the

437
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 7: press conference From Christy, NOLANS i immediately, Thought, okay, Wow

438
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 7: i'm old enough to remember back in the day when

439
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 7: they would at least try and cover it. Up they're

440
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 7: not even trying to cover this. Up, Man the statement

441
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 7: that she gave based on the video that we have

442
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 7: all seen indicates that her vision is. Trammeled and anybody

443
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 7: who didn't call this, One, dan anybody who didn't see

444
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 7: this coming a mile, away is beyond up two. S

445
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 7: and that Explains Christy nolmes's, Statement, MAN i am so

446
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 7: pissed off about this.

447
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 6: Man and you KNOW i am.

448
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 7: A staunt supporter of. Police, YEP i still, AM i

449
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 7: always will. Be but we're talking about humanity.

450
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 6: Here, dan and a right and a wrong way to do.

451
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 7: Stuff and so this begs the, Question, dan is this

452
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 7: more of? It certainly is what misuse of police looks,

453
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 7: like but.

454
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 6: Is this more of that than the police? THEMSELVES i, Mean?

455
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: Dan and then they double.

456
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 7: Down they're just stugging, us and they doubled down by

457
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 7: constantly spelling out how patriotic their actions.

458
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 6: Are what the hell is going?

459
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: On there's two tracks that we need to cover.

460
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: Today you're on one of, them AND i do want

461
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: to GET i want to pursue that, one WHICH i

462
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 2: think falls under the classification of you. KNEW i knew

463
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: our four fifty five guests who was just in studio

464
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: on this subject not that long, ago knew that this

465
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: was inevitable given The ice onslaught, inevitable maybe even shocking

466
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: that it didn't happen. Sooner but before we continue on that,

467
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 2: TRACK i want to get to the other track regarding

468
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: the behavior of The ice officers.

469
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: Themselves now we, NOW i do, believe have.

470
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: Identification the mother of the deceased driver has identified the

471
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: woman As Renee Nicole, good thirty seven years. Old and

472
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: the video of the shooting shows agents near the. Vehicle good,

473
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: reverses then, accelerates seems to be heading. Right one agent

474
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: appeared to fire several RUNS i think it's three into the.

475
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: Car ice is saying that the agent acted.

476
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: Defensively this was and the video is weird in That

477
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: i'm not sure all the video captures the fact THAT i,

478
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: believe and you can correct me on this or explain

479
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: it better THAN i, am that the agent who fired

480
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: was towards the front left side of that. Vehicle so

481
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: we get into the area you AND i have discussed

482
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: a lot. ABOUT i think we'll all agree it's a.

483
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: Tragedy we'll all agree that what we're hearing officially from

484
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: the government is they've already you, know investigated and adjudicated the.

485
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: Case right as you, say which is, interesting and they've

486
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: already decided the. Case but you tell, me as a

487
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: former law a former, officer and then a former supervisor and,

488
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: chief what you see in that, video what strikes, you

489
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: what disturbs, you what you make of what we have

490
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 2: seen thus.

491
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 7: Far, well Certainly danny ending is, disturbing and nobody is

492
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 7: going to want to hear, this but it.

493
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 4: Has to be.

494
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 7: Said and you pointed it out that the officer who

495
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 7: fired was towards the front of the vehicle on the

496
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 7: left side as she's turning right to. Go AND i

497
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 7: don't say that for any other reason other than that's what's,

498
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 7: factual and that's what's. Actual WHAT i will say is,

499
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 7: this and people aren't going to want to hear this,

500
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 7: either but it's it's always these things are. Considered none

501
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 7: of us were, there and so we didn't see what

502
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 7: that person. Saw AND i don't want people to go

503
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 7: off and, go, oh it's, obvious.

504
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 6: Listen that is not at all What i'm.

505
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 7: Saying i'm trying to help walk you through what's going

506
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 7: to happen in the judicial, system all, Right and that's

507
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 7: what's going to happen because we didn't see what that person,

508
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 7: saw and it's going to say they.

509
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 3: Saw CAN i stop you right?

510
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 2: THERE i want to stop you because this isn't a

511
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: really important point to, me AND i don't even know

512
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: if you'll agree with it or.

513
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: Not you'll you'll let me, know because you always.

514
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: Do you shouldn't have to apologize for what you're laying

515
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 2: out a couple of hours after this incident took. Place

516
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: we are in this, culture, chief in which if you

517
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: don't point your finger and draw the conclusion that a

518
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: lot of people want to draw on either side of

519
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: this thing within thirty, seconds you have to.

520
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: Apologize you. Shouldn't you are.

521
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: A, trained experienced law enforcement individual who does not have

522
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 2: fear of calling out bad law, enforcement, Right so you.

523
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: SHOULDN'T i would, argue you shouldn't have to. Apologize we

524
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: asked you to come on to offer your. Expertise you're

525
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 2: not the last. Word you're a word WE i. Trust

526
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: but the fact, is that's part of the problem, here

527
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: is that you almost have to apologize because you know

528
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: right away, people, oh there he goes, again trying to

529
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: defend the, cops which is not exactly what you're. Doing

530
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: that's part of our, problem right, now isn't.

531
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 4: It.

532
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 6: Chief that's all of our problems right, Now.

533
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: Dan and.

534
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 7: You know people have short attention spans, Now, dan, right

535
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 7: you're a season reporter of a. Writer AND i missed

536
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 7: the days when there were. Newspapers but now people read

537
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 7: the headline in the first two sentences and they're, done

538
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 7: and and and so they don't look for or seek the,

539
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 7: truth which is shameful because it's conditioning because the way

540
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 7: things are going in our, capital the attitude, is who

541
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 7: the hell are you guys to demand the? Truth you

542
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 7: guys Are you're not worthy of having to answer to.

543
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 7: You SO i thank you very much for the kind

544
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 7: WORDS i. DO i appreciate. That and you know it's

545
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 7: not BECAUSE i have a demure. Personality it's just, That,

546
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 7: yeah this is where we, are, man and it's. Sad

547
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 7: and again we knew this was going to. Happen and

548
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 7: here's what's, Sadder, Dan it's going to happen, again.

549
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: No, question no. Question i'm actually shocked it took this.

550
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: Long aren't you agree THAT i?

551
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 7: Am and for those of us who are, enough we

552
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 7: remember what this looks. Like, dan there's so many balls.

553
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 6: In the air right.

554
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 7: Now you know you got green, butt you Got, venezuela.

555
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 6: You've got, Ice you've got all this.

556
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 7: Stuff and there's a part of me to think that

557
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 7: this is.

558
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 6: Contrived it's that old magic. Trick you.

559
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 7: Know you guys watched the right, hand but the magic

560
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 7: is happening in the left, hand.

561
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 6: If you catch my.

562
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 7: Dress and, ironically, Ironically, TAD i was At manars at

563
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 7: around the noon, hour and SO i missed all of this.

564
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 7: Stuff and WHEN i pulled into The manars In, fridley

565
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 7: there was, PROBABLY i don't, know at least Six Border patrol,

566
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 7: agents a couple of, bands and they were hauling people

567
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 7: away in, handcuffs putting them in the patty. Wagon and

568
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 7: all those people were. Brown they looked like, me probably

569
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 7: from different. Countries And i'm, Like, jesus it's noon In, Fridley,

570
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 7: minnesota and this is what's.

571
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 6: Going, on.

572
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 7: And that's what, creates as you, say.

573
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: Trouble we're going to get to that side of.

574
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: It that's the other thread that you alluded to a

575
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: couple of times in the next. SEGMENT i want to

576
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: throw this at you again as regarding this particular incident

577
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: and what we know and what we're learning and what

578
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: there is still to Learn, Ken is there any argument

579
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: to be made.

580
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 3: That in that, situation.

581
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 2: The officer unnecessarily, created in some sense the situation by

582
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: putting himself in front of that car.

583
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 8: Needlessly you could you could say, That, dan you could

584
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 8: say anything you, want but that is going to lead

585
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 8: back to what that person saw when they were.

586
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 7: There And i'm sure having watch of, video there are

587
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 7: people that are going to, say, right it looks like

588
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 7: he was kind of moving towards you, know where she

589
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 7: was trying to.

590
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 6: Drive and so the caution, is we didn't see what he.

591
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 3: Saw so let's do.

592
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: This let's break and let's get to the larger thread

593
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: of this story, too And i'll maybe look at a

594
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: couple of, texts so Though i've actually tried hard today

595
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: to stay away from them because it can be dangerous

596
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 2: and even toxic on a day like. This Former Saint

597
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: clat Police Sie Blair anderson always a go to guest

598
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: on a day like, this and unfortunately it's often a sad,

599
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: day which no matter where you are in this particular,

600
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 2: issue it. Is we'll continue with, him don't. Forget Andy

601
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: lueger is scheduled to join us at the top of the.

602
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: Hour state our.

603
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: Sercers Former Saint claute police Sie Blair anderson is back

604
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,919
Speaker 2: with us for another, Segment Andy lueger at the top

605
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: of the. Hour kessler is scheduled to join probably about

606
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 2: five thirty or. So let me read because this is

607
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 2: a good revisit a text that came in a little.

608
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: Earlier this is from two one.

609
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 4: Eight.

610
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: Guy could you have the chief go back and continue

611
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: his analysis of what he actually saw in the videos

612
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: he has. Watched he started, that but you understandably interrupted

613
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: to make the point he shouldn't need to, apologize which is.

614
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: Correct But i'd like to hear more of his analysis

615
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: as a police. Expert what what would you, like if

616
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: any anything to add in that regard to what you.

617
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 7: Saw, Honestly, dan there isn't anything more to, add and

618
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 7: that's you know why we try to be, transparent those

619
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 7: of us who want to do this rate so that

620
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 7: these kinds of questions don't continue to haunt citizens who you,

621
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 7: know they believe their, eyes they know what they, see

622
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 7: but there's a little bit more behind the curtain when

623
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 7: you're out there. Standing SO i WISH i had more for,

624
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 7: him And i'm not being, Elusive.

625
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 6: No that that's pretty much along in the short of, It, dan.

626
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: There's nothing it goes back, now, right what is fair

627
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: to interpret in terms of the threat that that individual,

628
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: felt WHICH i guess would be. Different then in, FACT

629
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: i give you another example of texted are coming in

630
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: AND i think this is a fair. Question i'm curious

631
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 2: Regarding blair's professional opinion on the ice agent who lunges

632
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: at the car handle without trying to de. Escalate we

633
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 2: get into these debates and discussions all the time about you,

634
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: know what's realistic in a moment when it comes to

635
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: quote unquote de, Escalation and then we get into, well

636
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: if the person in the vehicle has been.

637
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 3: Told get out of the car and you choose.

638
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: Instead to continue to, drive whatever your intent, is that's

639
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: also going to contribute to the possibility of something very bad.

640
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: Happening correct.

641
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 7: It, Is, Dan and it would be wonderful IF i

642
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 7: could could could say to you with certainty that you

643
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 7: know in that person's it happened like we saw it

644
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 7: going up to the car like. That, dan Here i'll

645
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 7: address that. One that's aggressive and what for unless you

646
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 7: saw a threat and that's the POINT i was trying to,

647
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 7: Make unless you saw, something And i'm in no way

648
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 7: insinuating right that this woman was a. Threat i'm simply

649
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 7: trying to illustrate the point THAT i keep hammering, on

650
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 7: which people don't want to.

651
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 6: Hear but it's We we weren't. There we didn't see it.

652
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 7: What that person. Saw so it, sucks but that's what it.

653
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: Is six one two, guy glad you're having A Chief anderson.

654
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: On he has always a fair and balanced voice THAT i.

655
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: Appreciate today's events are, horrible possibly, criminal BUT i did

656
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: just hear him get very upset to some people that

657
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: look like him at The fredly minards were getting. Handcuffed

658
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: nowon my question is the. Issue why is it so

659
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: bad to enforce immigration? Laws WHEN i travel, Abroad i'm

660
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: instructed THAT i should carry my passport and visa on

661
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: my person at all. Times IF i, DON'T i can't

662
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: provide this if you're taken into. CUSTODY us is the

663
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: only country THAT i know that doesn't really ever enforce this,

664
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: policy and now we're enforcing it and people are losing their.

665
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: Minds people don't. UNDERSTAND i, guess thanks and keep up

666
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: the good. Work what would you say to six' one.

667
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:16,760
Speaker 3: Two guys.

668
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 7: My answer is, Simply this this is being done under.

669
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 6: The cloak.

670
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 7: We're ferreting out all the folks who have come IN

671
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 7: here i legally and have engaged in the various activity

672
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 7: and committed horrible crimes and all of the. Things wonderful

673
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 7: that is what they are supposed to. Be doing my,

674
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 7: point is, show me, show me because you don't have

675
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 7: a problem showing all the other folks.

676
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 6: Being deported Right.

677
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 7: And dan i'm Skeptical because, I'm sorry i'm a Rational thinking.

678
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 7: Midwestern dude we would have seen more perp walks if

679
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 7: they're picking these folks up that they're telling us are

680
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 7: looking for when they're doing.

681
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 6: These sweeps right, and WELL we i mean called.

682
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: Me crazy to, your point we've already had a number

683
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: of fairly significant cases well reported on in which individuals

684
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: WHO were us citizens were taken mistakenly taken into custody and, it's,

685
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 2: like hey, no harm, no foul we just need to

686
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 2: check you out and you'll. Be okay and it's easy

687
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: for people who are not in that position, to, say hey.

688
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 3: No problem, you know, you know you get you, win

689
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: some you.

690
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: Lose some it's the broad nature of this approach that,

691
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: For ME and i said this early in, the show

692
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: and some people didn't.

693
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 4: LIKE it.

694
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: I sadly believe not only that this, was inevitable, like

695
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: YOU but i believe that the highest levels the folks

696
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: who are in charge of this almost welcomed these kinds.

697
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: Of confrontations they're not frightened. BY them i think they, almost,

698
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 2: assume yeah that's really where we want to go on.

699
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: This thing because they're too broad and They're, too again

700
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: we talk a lot, about performance. Performative stuff they're too

701
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: performative for me to believe that it's all about let's

702
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: just get the bad guys.

703
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 7: Out and dan to to go ahead and buttress. Your,

704
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 7: point yes.

705
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 6: They're, too broad but ironically very.

706
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 7: Narrowly, focused yeah right to catch, my, drift, Right yeah

707
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 7: and that should alarm all, Of, us DAN and i, mean,

708
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 7: That man.

709
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 6: We we should.

710
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 7: Be alarmed and this is this never.

711
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 4: Ends.

712
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 7: Well man and for those of us that aren't old

713
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 7: enough to remember some some horrific things that happened, in

714
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 7: history or old enough to have been taught, those things

715
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 7: if you, weren't ALIVE then i. NEED you i need

716
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 7: them to, wake, up man because those of us who

717
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 7: are old enough to remember knows that a lot of

718
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 7: awful things started just.

719
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 3: Like this what's going to happen tonight.

720
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: In terms of what well, you KNOW there's i still

721
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: have YOU know ptsd from what happened? At night in terms, of, Demonstrations, leader.

722
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: YEAH exactly i.

723
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: Mean should we? Be concerned?

724
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: SHOULD we i don't want to fuel or or or

725
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: make things worse by, Any means but how do you

726
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: know how much concern do? You have how ready do

727
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: you think, the city, the county and, the region, THE

728
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: state I guess i, should say are for doing everything

729
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 2: in their power to make sure we don't go places

730
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 2: that do not, help anybody no matter whether where you

731
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: are on.

732
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 8: This story and And and i'll be honest, With, you dan.

733
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 7: Those of us making, those decisions you know that that's

734
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 7: what we got paid, to do was to be worried

735
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 7: about things. Like this so the honest answer, IS yes

736
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 7: i would be lying. TO you i don't want anybody

737
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 7: to be in. A panic and so let me supplant

738
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 7: my statement by saying this into my HEART when i

739
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 7: saw the, press conference to hear that they are already

740
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 7: spinning up the necessary personnel and equipment and whatever they

741
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 7: might need just, in case while costing people.

742
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 6: To just please. Be peaceful you have a right. To protests.

743
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 7: THAT'S fine i wouldn't have said it, that WAY but

744
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 7: i don't regrudge any of them for, doing SO because

745
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 7: i get why they're. Doing IT but i think that

746
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 7: they learned a great deal From The george, floyd episode

747
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 7: and it certainly appeared SO when i watched the press conference.

748
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 3: Earlier today last, item today because we could go.

749
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: On Forever Former Saint Clau Police blair anderson kind enough

750
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: to join us on a. Tough day i've gotten this

751
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 2: text from several different people internally.

752
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: And externally.

753
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: Do we know or worry about whether these agents are

754
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: properly trained to deal with these sorts of situations or

755
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: in the haste to, you know transform the country to

756
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: the degree that apparently the president wants the country to.

757
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: Be transformed how much concerned we have about, training issues,

758
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: you know, even hiring, you know poor hiring approach that

759
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: also can contribute to a situation going down the tragic

760
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: road that it did earlier Today.

761
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 9: In, minneapolis well in terms of, The, TRAINING dan i

762
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 9: can tell you they if they're on, the street you

763
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 9: know they've had the requisite amount, of training whether that's enough,

764
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 9: or not or whether it is followed up and the

765
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 9: continuing education piece is a natural part of that or

766
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 9: a regular part of that as it.

767
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 4: Should be.

768
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 7: Those LAST parts i can't. Tell you but in terms of,

769
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 7: the training sure they have been trained that they're out on.

770
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 7: The Streets, but dan i'll leave you with with. This

771
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 7: question it also makes, me wonder maybe it's my AGE

772
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 7: when i see some of these folks out here doing

773
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 7: this work.

774
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 4: With. Masks on.

775
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 6: Do they have the masks on.

776
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 7: Because they really enjoy what they're doing because they're, that

777
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 7: warped or do they hate their jobs but they have

778
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 7: to put food on. THE table, i mean and THAT'S

779
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 7: the i, Don't know that's just how my brain. Works

780
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 7: sometimes Because, if dan if if the former is true

781
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 7: more than, the latter we.

782
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 6: Really are in. BIG trouble i guess THAT'S what i

783
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 6: was trying.

784
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: TO say i appreciate the time, as always and we'll

785
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 2: talk again as this story.

786
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: Plays Out, thanks blair, all right, thank you.

787
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 4: My friend.

788
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 2: Appreciate you that is A Former saint claude, Police Chief,

789
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 2: blair Anderson and i'm sure we'll get back to him

790
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: as the story. Plays out we moved a little quickly

791
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: at the top of the hour because we're expecting a

792
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: Visit With andy lueger today, by TELEPHONE and i don't

793
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: know how far he's going to be willing to go on.

794
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: THIS story i know we're going to discuss it. With

795
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: him originally it was more about the governor's decision to

796
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: announce he was not going to run for a, third

797
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: term and so we're going to try to cover everything

798
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 2: because that's still a legitimate story if even it feels

799
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: if it feels a bit old based on what took.

800
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 2: Place today SO Former Us Attorney andy lueger. Is next

801
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: kessler will be in studio beginning about five three