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Speaker 1: A couple of texts here, Hey Grant, nice work, brother.

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Speaker 2: I saw what you did there when you played the

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Speaker 2: Inevitable Bob were singing one more Saturday Nights with the

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Speaker 2: Broncos playing this coming Saturday and a tribute to Bob.

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Speaker 1: Were well done, sir Mark and Alben Kirk. Good job there.

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Speaker 2: How many excuses will you make for Herbert? He's supposed

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Speaker 2: to be an elite quarterback. I'm grateful that bo Nicks

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Speaker 2: didn't hold the ball and doesn't get sacked.

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Speaker 3: So let me let me engage because I think the

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Speaker 3: texture is referring to me.

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Speaker 1: What excuse did I make for him?

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Speaker 3: Other than I think the scheme of what they tried

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Speaker 3: to do in the second half was completely impossible, and

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Speaker 3: you standing him back there and not being able to

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Speaker 3: protect him, and no short passes, no pocket moves, no boots,

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Speaker 3: no screens, just stand back there and try to maneuver

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Speaker 3: around a bunch of like a pack of hungry dogs.

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Speaker 3: So what do you disagree on with that? How is

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Speaker 3: that making an excuse for Herbert?

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Speaker 2: Well, I didn't think you were making an excuse for Herbert.

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Speaker 2: I think what tends to happen is and maybe a

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Speaker 2: little bit unfairly. We tend to measure quarterbacks success sometimes

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Speaker 2: by wins, right, I mean we said that's a flat

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Speaker 2: stat but it's something that has happened, especially postseason wins,

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Speaker 2: and when you're considered one of the greats in the game,

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Speaker 2: which we all think Justin Herbert should be in that conversation,

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Speaker 2: should be a top five quarterback in the game. Well,

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Speaker 2: you're supposed to win in the postseason and he has

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Speaker 2: yet to do that. So then it's like, okay, well

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Speaker 2: every single year, what's the excuse for Justin Herbert? Why

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Speaker 2: does he continue to struggle despite changes in coaching and

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Speaker 2: changes in talent around him.

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Speaker 4: Because you don't have a great supporting cat h. This

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Speaker 4: is why the delusion in sports.

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Speaker 2: I think the nuance can be had there. I'm just

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Speaker 2: saying it gets worn like that.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's worn down by some fans, and this is

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Speaker 4: just a delusion.

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Speaker 5: The idea is understanding that Justin.

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Speaker 4: Herbert is still a top two quarterback and you need

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Speaker 4: so many elements in this game to be successful. To me,

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Speaker 4: quarterback like any position on the office, opposed to the

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Speaker 4: offensive line, it is a dependent position. You need other

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Speaker 4: things to take place in order to help you out

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Speaker 4: me being the safety.

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Speaker 5: On defense, point me in the right direction, I'm going.

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Speaker 1: To hit something right.

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Speaker 4: But on offense, quarterback, I need a great scheme.

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Speaker 5: I need someone play called.

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Speaker 4: I need some guys outside the numbers making plays form it. Oh,

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Speaker 4: by the way, we need to have a balance attack.

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Speaker 1: We need to be able to.

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Speaker 5: Run the ball.

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Speaker 4: We can't run the ball just relying solely on our

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Speaker 5: You know why, because we need our wide receivers toplot.

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Speaker 2: I don't completely disagree with you, so just understand. I

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Speaker 2: understand you make all great points. What do you describe

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Speaker 2: your newsletter later? But the point, the point I want

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Speaker 2: to say, is then you see what Josh Allen just did,

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Speaker 2: and then you see what but Patrick Mahomes has done

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Speaker 4: But wait a minute, but both but those guys respectively

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Speaker 4: have had better offensive linemen.

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Speaker 5: They both had all three.

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Speaker 1: Of those quints. And wait a minute, the Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: You can't use Josh Allen in the same sort of

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Speaker 3: as a polar opposite of what Justin Herbert's gone through,

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Speaker 3: because there are plenty of people that say, before yesterday,

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen had won a road playoff game in his

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Speaker 3: does that mean he's underachieved. I don't think I don't

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Speaker 3: think it has. And because Justin Herbert hasn't or has

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Speaker 3: means Justin Herbert can't play or is an elite quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I just don't subscribe to that at all. And rarely

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Speaker 3: second half was atrocious. I'm guessing that it's going to

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Speaker 3: cost Greg Roman his job. You can't have your quarterback

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Speaker 3: And they did nothing else offensively except dropping back again,

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Speaker 3: you're getting your brains beat out. I mean, move them,

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Speaker 3: I said it moved the pocket, boot him, do something.

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Speaker 1: What you guys were doing.

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Speaker 3: Heard that that if that is not an indictment on

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Speaker 3: your preparation for the game, I've never heard one.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't even wipe my backside with that game plan.

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Speaker 4: That's how bad it is. Oh, that's how bad it was.

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Speaker 4: Don't overthink you're Ryan, don't overthink I wouldn't wipe my backside.

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Speaker 1: I want to be careful what I said.

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Speaker 5: Yes, with that game plan, that's how bad it was.

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Speaker 2: It didn't seem I mean, again, any adjustments to Dave's point, like,

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Speaker 1: Nothing to do with bow Nicks.

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Speaker 3: Our text saying it's funny how you make excuses on

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Speaker 3: a line shuffle this year as well with injuries to

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Speaker 3: Ben Powers and now Luke, why completely separate issue at

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Speaker 3: least for me. I mean, I think I think Bo's

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Speaker 3: even talking about bow Nicks. I'm talking about what I

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Speaker 3: we'll see, we'll see what happens to Greg Roman. But

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Speaker 3: it's not always coach's fault when they get fired. But

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Speaker 3: guys in the NFL know that you're walking a fine

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Speaker 1: I would be.

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Speaker 3: Above surprised and almost shocked if Greg Roman is the

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Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not gonna argue the point. Let me carry

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Speaker 2: what will it say if Justin Herbert continues to not

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Speaker 2: winning the postseason? Like, what what is going to be

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's got to find a way to win.

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Speaker 3: But I think it gets back to sort of an

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Speaker 3: I heard the same argument Dann Marino. Damn Marino went

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Speaker 3: They got their breaks beat off by the Niners. Right,

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Speaker 2: I listen, I just acknowledge I think quarterback wins is

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Speaker 3: So what do you think it says about Marinos? Does

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Speaker 3: And then you have Joe Montana, who you know, Joe

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Speaker 1: Him, but they team.

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Speaker 3: Generally speaking, he carried that team and then they got

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Speaker 4: Well, people would have started talking about John and the

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Speaker 3: it's like a both things can be true discussion.

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Speaker 2: You can say, well, he's a really good player in

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Speaker 2: the former MVP, great regular season, he wins a lot

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Speaker 3: See, I would disagree with that totally. I mean I

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Speaker 3: We're you got defensive backs twelve yards off and the

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Speaker 2: You're talking about quarterbacks that have won playoff games. You

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Speaker 1: Right now? Would you take.

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Speaker 3: Okay, right, I mean Baker Mayfield has won a playoff game. Yes,

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Speaker 1: That is not true. Actually, I'm a big fan brush

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Speaker 2: But performing in the biggest games matters, and he threw

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Speaker 2: what four interceptions?

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Speaker 1: Three interceptions last year? Last year, he didn't have a

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Speaker 2: I'll subscribe to your point about the offensive coordinator letting

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Speaker 2: But also he was struggling either way, whether it's the

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Speaker 2: The point of is is we have three games now

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Speaker 1: So what is I think he played.

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Speaker 3: I think he played really well in the first postseason loss.

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Speaker 2: They got beat the first one was that Jacksonville come back.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that was the Jacksonville come back.

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Speaker 3: So do we blame Herbert for Jacksonville coming back from

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Speaker 4: Remember Coach Staley? Right, what do you have to do

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Speaker 1: What was Herber's numbers against Jacksonville?

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Speaker 2: Two seventy three, one touchdown, zero picks. Let me see

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Speaker 1: What was that? Am I on the right?

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Speaker 3: You're gonna say they scored three points and I'm going

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Speaker 1: How many of those thirty one? Herbert didn't throw an interception? Right? No,

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Speaker 4: So while you air for that and try to figure

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Speaker 4: You know, Coach Staley's defense didn't do a lot to

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Speaker 5: That time and did you use the chargers? Yes? I did?

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Speaker 4: So that means that, okay, well, why wasn't your offense

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Speaker 5: It's like when they lose games, they don't lose them

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Speaker 3: I would say this, it's fair to criticize Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 3: He threw four picks in the road loss last year

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Speaker 1: That's different.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember if all of them were on the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Let me what like two of them were tipps? What

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Speaker 2: Not three years, because remember there there was a couple

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Speaker 1: They've they've had, they've had. He's owned three.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well the last three years then right, last two

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Speaker 1: Then they lost in Jacksonville win also one year off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, So the reality is he's he's owned

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Speaker 1: That was the game that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, how many playoff games has Trevor Lawrence won?

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Speaker 1: One?

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Speaker 3: So no, you're right, just one? Yeah, that's the only one.

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Speaker 1: Now to say that, I don't think so.

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Speaker 5: Justin Herbert is toilet water. I wouldn't say that.

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Speaker 4: But would you put him in your your top five quarterbacks?

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Speaker 1: Right now?

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Speaker 5: Let's put him in your top ten.

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Speaker 3: I put him at no worse than six or seven.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's just let's just look in the AFC, and

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Speaker 3: would you take Justin Herbert over Josh Allen? No, No,

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Speaker 3: Would you take Justin Herbert over Drake May Well, Drake

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Speaker 3: Not not this season? I got I got well, not

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Speaker 3: But I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure I

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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence. Yes, I would take Justin Herbert over Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers where Aaron.

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Speaker 1: Rodgers is closer to my age than Justin Herbert, says.

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Speaker 5: Say younger Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: Yes, maybe I'm taking Justin Herbert every day of the week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the playoff and the Bonix.

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Speaker 4: I would take Herbert right because it ain't so hard

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Speaker 5: No, it's not because.

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Speaker 5: His approach to it.

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Speaker 1: Herbert's skill set is it's like one.

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Speaker 3: Of those old school quarterbacks, the big rock and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's it's much bigger than Troy. But yeah, that

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Speaker 3: that'd be interesting. So other other AFC teams.

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Speaker 3: I absolutely would take Herbert right now, Burrow, Burrow, No,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Cambre no, and that's that's about him. Dolphins, we

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so he'd probably be top five in the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, then if you take that skill set and that

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Speaker 1: I know, we got to go.

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Speaker 3: If you ask Kyle Shanahan tonight, would you take Justin

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Speaker 3: So that's qualifying information that we all know. What do

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Speaker 1: Not even close. No, you're out of your out of

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Speaker 1: Actually use the word career saving. Thanks. Don't always do

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Speaker 2: So that one and then and then today he said

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Speaker 3: So well, I think my guess is he probably did

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Speaker 1: I can't believe he said that.

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Speaker 3: What I didn't like was his handshake with Lafloor after

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Speaker 1: I think that to me, win or lose, and he won.

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Speaker 1: It's hard, man, try.

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Speaker 3: To cross that field and shake that coach's hand when

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Speaker 1: There's genuinely no love lost.

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Speaker 3: It's not like a Bear's Packers thing that when one

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Speaker 3: I'm not righteously indignant. I don't think that Ben Johnson

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Speaker 3: I don't think that my preference would have been that

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

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Speaker 4: Now, it would have been great if they were cordially

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Speaker 4: and I think that kind of bled into the game

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Speaker 4: and to see how the Bears actually overcame that large

442
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Speaker 4: deficit to take the game at home, for.

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Speaker 1: Me even more reason to look in his eye.

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Speaker 4: Well, yes, but I guess maybe Ben Johnson, it's me

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Speaker 4: speaking for him. I don't need to like because what

446
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Speaker 4: your players are doing, either you're coaching it or you're

447
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Speaker 4: allowing to happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he.

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Speaker 5: Probably looked at it in that particular way.

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Speaker 3: I can see if in fact, all that happened, and

451
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Speaker 3: he did say that there was stuff coming out of

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Speaker 3: their camp. One of the defensive coordinator has said something about, hey,

453
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Speaker 3: we're going to be playing next week two and so

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Speaker 3: again it gets back into what coaches on every level

455
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Speaker 3: of football use to motivate at times themselves. I mean,

456
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Speaker 3: you work up a genuine dislike for an opponent, and

457
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Speaker 3: then you couple it with how much money.

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Speaker 1: Is at stake. You see these guys twice, this is

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Speaker 1: the third time this year.

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Speaker 3: These are arch rivals, longest running rivalry and NFL history.

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Speaker 3: I get that I still would have just preferred just

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Speaker 3: a quick handshake the game.

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Speaker 4: But if you add the fact that Obviously these are

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Speaker 4: division of rivals.

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Speaker 5: They don't like one another.

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Speaker 4: There's been a lot of harsh criticism of Caleb Williams

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Speaker 4: as a quarterback on the field to the fact of

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Speaker 4: what he does off the field as far as painting

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Speaker 4: his nails, and I think even leading not you know,

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Speaker 4: anybody to paint their nails. Yeah, I played with the

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Speaker 4: guy in Buffalo who was a tight end who went

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Speaker 4: to Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: Why you look at me and he fingernails.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's a whole different story right there.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's the Rex Ryan paint Hicky.

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Speaker 4: But he did paint his nails and they were all,

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Speaker 4: you know, black, And for me, I'm not want to

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Speaker 4: judge a teammate as far as what he does as

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Speaker 4: an individual.

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Speaker 1: You didn't ask him, bro, No, I asked him.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, why did you paint your nails?

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Speaker 4: And he was just like, well, that was kind of

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Speaker 4: a thing that he did to kind of set himself

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Speaker 4: aside from other people in high school and he just

485
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Speaker 4: carried it forward, right, just kind of a thing to

486
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Speaker 4: make him stand out. I'm like, hey, man, do your thing.

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Speaker 4: But Ben Johnson in his first year right looking at

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Speaker 4: Matt la.

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Speaker 1: Floor where he is.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you're knocking essentially the packers off, the crown

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Speaker 5: off the top of the heel.

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Speaker 4: So I don't have really a big, big problem with

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Speaker 4: what he's saying in the locker room. The handshake, yes,

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Speaker 4: but what he said in the locker room, I'm all for.

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Speaker 1: That didn't bother me either.

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Speaker 4: I'm all for because you're in the NFL. You have

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Speaker 4: cameras in the locker room, you want to put them

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Speaker 4: in there. You're gonna hear some of the most egregious

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Speaker 4: stuff that you plan on here.

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Speaker 5: That's why the cameras are there in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Brian, you ever paint nails at all? Ever?

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Speaker 2: I've never paid my own nails, but I allowed my

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Speaker 2: little girls to pay my.

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Speaker 1: Name different we all do that. Did you use polish

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Speaker 1: or whatever they wanted to do with the color? They

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Speaker 1: did both.

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Speaker 2: I'd each give them a hand and then they would

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Speaker 2: do whatever they wanted.

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Speaker 1: One was a clear and one was what was sometimes pink.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I said, whatever you want to do.

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Speaker 1: That's what girl dads do. That's right that you have

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Speaker 1: a daughter, So we're all girl dads.

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Speaker 4: Said, I didn't pay my nails, though, we can work

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Speaker 4: that out if you.

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Speaker 5: I'm good over here.

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Speaker 1: Think now, she asked me to Yeah, I'll work on that. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of the coaches that find whatever

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Speaker 2: reasons to find hatred in their opponent or whatever, did

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Speaker 2: you see the Jaguars still had these small they they

520
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Speaker 2: T shirts that they were wearing to the game about

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Speaker 2: the small market.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Stuff.

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Speaker 3: That's why I was rooting so hard for Josh Allen. No,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was rooting for Josh Allen, but I

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Speaker 3: saw one of the players walk in the game with

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Speaker 3: a small market T shirt.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, are you serious? You have to use a

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Speaker 1: day I know, yes, but but but that was three

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Speaker 1: weeks ago.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so think about this because someone missing this.

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Speaker 1: Very thing to me today.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: Michael Jordan arguably the best guy to lace them up

534
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Speaker 4: in the NBA. Michael used to invent stuff. It didn't

535
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Speaker 4: even happen. I'm just to motivate him.

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Speaker 3: I've had guys, listen, I've had guys that I've played with.

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Speaker 3: I've had guys that I know that if there's not

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Speaker 3: a realistic and honest chip, you create a particular game,

539
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Speaker 3: you make one up.

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Speaker 1: There, you go, you find one.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this guy said this, you know what he really meant,

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Speaker 3: and then he said that to this before you know it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're worked up. So I get it. I'm

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Speaker 1: not mad at.

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Speaker 2: Him because do you think though, and I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: it's the reason they lost, but to be focused in

547
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Speaker 2: on a grudge from weeks ago coming into this game,

548
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Speaker 2: which is the playoffs, I mean, I guess if you

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Speaker 2: think it's still working right as a coach, if you're

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Speaker 2: like you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Jacksonviller using the small market, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's just like that was. That was weeks ago. That

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Speaker 2: was a team that.

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Speaker 1: Bony blows a small market team too.

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Speaker 4: That's right, But that's not the reason that Jacksonville lost.

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Speaker 1: No, I know it's not. But it also feels like,

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Speaker 1: you know the reason they lost they didn't make enough plays.

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Speaker 1: They're careless with the ball. That's true.

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Speaker 3: That is true.

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Speaker 2: And Trevor Lawrence that we talked about quarterbacks and their

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Speaker 2: postseason performance and otherwise, that's something with Trevor Lawrence that

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Speaker 2: when he is off, well, he can he.

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Speaker 1: Can be really off.

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Speaker 3: So does he change Because Trevor Lawrence had a great season,

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Speaker 3: especially the last eight or nine games. I mean, play

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Speaker 3: everybody said like, hey, this is the guy, this is

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Speaker 3: the guy we thought in the first pick of the draft,

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Speaker 3: and la, la la, and then his performance yesterday does

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Speaker 3: that change the narrative. I'm asking for a friend about

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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence because okay, one of those they did for

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Speaker 3: Justin Herbert Well, I mean that's who. That depends on

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Speaker 3: who you ask, right.

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Speaker 4: But in the game against the Buffalo, you have to

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Speaker 4: give to Davius White some credit because he was He

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Speaker 4: made impact plays on passing plays down the field, right,

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Speaker 4: So it wasn't just all well, Trevor Lawrence had a

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Speaker 4: poor game and he turned the ball over an opportune moment,

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Speaker 4: made the defense for the Buffalo Bills made plays.

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Speaker 5: But this is why Dave I go back to this.

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Speaker 4: You can't praise quarterbacks and not really put a responsibility

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Speaker 4: on him.

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Speaker 5: But it's a team.

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Speaker 1: Game, right.

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Speaker 4: We can say that a quarterback can elevate people around

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Speaker 4: him and other players around him. Maybe from a leadership standpoint,

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Speaker 4: We've seen Peyton Manning do that, but at the same time,

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Speaker 4: you need your other players around you to play great football.

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Speaker 4: Let me go back for just a second, because we

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Speaker 4: had a conversation maybe last segment we're talking about you

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Speaker 4: know what was happening with John Elway, right? John Elway

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00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 4: doesn't win without Terrell Davis, and that means that his

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00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: stats had to take a back seat from what they

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Speaker 4: were years ago when he went to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 4: just because.

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Speaker 5: You want to have balance.

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Speaker 4: And the more of the story is, no matter what

597
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Speaker 4: team we look at that remains in a tournament, your quarterback,

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, should not just be your soul rusher.

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Speaker 4: He can't be your your leading rusher. If he is

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Speaker 4: nine times out of ten, I don't think you can win.

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Speaker 1: The football game. By ways.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Jacksonville, the post game with Lynn Jones talking

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Speaker 2: to Liam Cohen.

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Speaker 1: Did you did you hear? Oh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Well in case you won't miss it, this is what

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00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 2: happened in the post is unique. It was unique, no doubt.

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Speaker 7: How you doing today, Lynn Jones, Jacksonville Free Press News.

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Speaker 7: I just want to tell you congratulations on your success,

611
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Speaker 7: young man.

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Speaker 5: You hold your head up, all right.

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Speaker 7: You guys have had a most magnificent season. He did

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Speaker 7: a great job out there today. So you just hold

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Speaker 7: your head up. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, douvall you don't

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Speaker 7: want all right, keep it going.

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Speaker 5: We got another season.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I appreciate take care of much continued success to

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Speaker 7: you and the entire team.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Man. You don't hear that every day. That

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Speaker 1: is a fact. That is That's why I said it

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Speaker 1: was unique.

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Speaker 2: Man, it has been melting down Twitter. You can't do

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Speaker 2: that since yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was sweet of her, honestly, and I'm

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Speaker 3: sure her heart was in the right place, and she

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Speaker 3: probably I'm guessing as Ben in Jacksonville for quite some time,

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Speaker 3: maybe hometown. I don't know her, and I'm sure she

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Speaker 3: meant it in the absolute best way. But the reality is,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're not you're there to ask questions about

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Speaker 3: the game.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was sweet, but you can't do that.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we've seen people as some ridiculous questions as Yes,

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Speaker 4: I've had you know, media people who are currently still

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Speaker 4: in his market asked me some you know questions where

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Speaker 4: I wanted.

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Speaker 5: To tell them shove it.

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Speaker 1: Where are they currently in this room?

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Speaker 4: No, they're not, they're not. They're not currently in this room. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so dodge that one, yes, but.

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Speaker 1: One of us was worried.

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Speaker 4: I oh, man, I can appreciate her doing that because

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Speaker 4: you guys are absolutely right. Typically that doesn't happen as

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Speaker 4: a guy that played in New York and as brutal

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Speaker 4: as that media is, no one's ever asking you that question.

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Speaker 5: They're or making that statement because that's what she did.

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Speaker 5: She made a statement.

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Speaker 4: They're usually asking you, okay, well, when Trevor Lawrence through

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Speaker 4: that interception, right, what was going through your mind? And

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Speaker 4: as a player coach, you're like, what the hell you mean?

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Speaker 4: What was going through my mind?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: And you really want to jump on that person.

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Speaker 4: But for me, I don't have a problem with it

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Speaker 4: because I've been asked stupid questions and I know how

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Speaker 4: media can be. So for me, that was a breath,

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Speaker 4: a breath of fresh air for her to just come

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Speaker 4: in and make that statement.

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Speaker 3: You just can't you can't do it. I mean you

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Speaker 3: can because she did. But you know that's that's not

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Speaker 3: that's not what you're there for. I'll put it those

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Speaker 3: you think.

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Speaker 4: The organization would probably give her a little more love

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Speaker 4: known as though she did.

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Speaker 5: I don't know about free ice cream. I would say,

666
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Speaker 5: we've got to come better with that.

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Speaker 2: I think what you guys said is spot on, and

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Speaker 2: I do think that there's there's a line though to

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Speaker 2: acknowledge with sweets. But also there's like outrage from medium

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Speaker 2: I'm just let me finish, from from media members that

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Speaker 2: cover NFL teams. This was this is not the place.

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Speaker 2: You are not a fan sitting in the room, right,

673
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Speaker 2: and you can't be a fan.

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Speaker 3: They're right of the team or why they don't allow

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Speaker 3: cheering in the press box.

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Speaker 1: But you know, members of the press, you're absolutely right

677
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Speaker 1: about that. I got thrown out of a press box

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Speaker 1: for cheering. Yep.

679
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Speaker 3: Dave Platty, who's who was a statistician for home Broncos games.

680
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: He was the sid at the time, nineteen eighty six.

681
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: I just retired. I'm up there watching see you in Nebraska.

682
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Speaker 3: See you hadn't beat Nebraska. I can't remember the last time,

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Speaker 3: maybe since late sixties. And we're in the press box,

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Speaker 3: not rooting, and Jeff Campbell soup. Campbell comes around on

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Speaker 3: an end to a round reverse running from east to west,

686
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: takes the pitch and down the west sideline. He goes

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Speaker 3: into the north end zone and as as we see it,

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Speaker 3: I know, if that pitch gets to him, this is

689
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Speaker 3: gonna be a walk in.

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Speaker 1: So we're like standing up and.

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Speaker 3: Saying oh Ho ho, and Dave Platty as as we're

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Speaker 3: kind of moving down the press box with Soup Campbell,

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Speaker 3: Dave Platty says you and you get out and we

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Speaker 3: watched the rest of the game from outside the press

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Speaker 3: box on the balcony.

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Speaker 5: Man, Dave, you.

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Speaker 4: Ruin it from is you're gonna tell me you got

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Speaker 4: kicked out.

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Speaker 1: For something else? Like what smoking weed or something? That

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Speaker 1: smoking weed now on the paint your fingernails right? What

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Speaker 1: what do you think my head?

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Speaker 4: I mean, not Ryan the smoking got over here to

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Speaker 4: the right, but more for Cola fu Lange.

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Speaker 1: We've been playing a lot of grateful I did tell

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm proud of this or not.

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Speaker 1: Eh No, I'm semi proud.

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Speaker 3: I did tell the great it was a great columnist

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Speaker 3: for the I think the Miami Herald Edwin Pope. I

709
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 3: think he has since leftists. We're down there for the

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Speaker 3: first Orange Bowl between the Buffs and Notre Dame and

711
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: he and I'm seated in a row behind him, but

712
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Speaker 3: I know who he is. It's relatively new in my career.

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Speaker 3: That would have been relatively early in my career. That

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Speaker 3: would have been like nineteen eighty nine. I think he

715
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Speaker 3: is killing Bill McCartney. I mean, like this guy, I

716
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Speaker 3: mean he's awful, you know, seeing all this stuff. He

717
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Speaker 3: doesn't need preaching all this and looking at and doesn't

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Speaker 3: know what he's doing. And I finally I had just

719
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Speaker 3: had enough, so I tapped him lightly on the shoulder

720
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Speaker 3: and I said, hey, man, how about this, have a

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Speaker 3: sip a? Shut the hell up. And I just sat

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Speaker 3: there and that was all I said. I mean, I

723
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Speaker 3: don't need to hear that from you. I mean, I

724
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Speaker 3: was a see you guy. I'm there in the I'm

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Speaker 3: there in the press box, but you don't need to

726
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: be like I don't need to hear your die tribe

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Speaker 3: about Bill McCarty. Plus I was close to mac and

728
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: obviously close to that program at that time. I don't

729
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: need to hear this. So if that's how you think,

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Speaker 3: that's fine, write it in a column for the Miami Herald.

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Speaker 3: But I don't need to hear it in the press box.

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Speaker 5: Shut up, let a nasair, no, you know what I ask, Yes, sir,