1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI A six forty on demand. John, 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hey, good morning, Jesus, 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Hi John, what's going on? 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? My question is is that I've been baptized a believer, 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: and I do read scripture and I do attend church. However, 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: I'm surrounded by in my family what I would call 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: scientific atheists. In other words, there are non believers, never 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 2: been baptized. They mock every word and action that I 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: pursue in my life, and it's very damaging and very 10 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 2: painful to me. And I was wondering if there's a 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: passage in scripture that you can help me focus on 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 2: so that I can receive some answers from them. 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, for one, I'm not sure why you'd expect 14 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: them to love you through this. I mean, they disagree 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: with you and every single moment. Yeah, and they think 16 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: it's silly in their own eyes. And that's okay, there's 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: there's Why are you looking for them to somehow pat 18 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: you on the back for something like this? 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,839 Speaker 2: Well maybe excuse me, maybe I'm not, but it sure 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: feels like I'm carrying the cross. 21 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: Well, that's part of the process. I will assure you, 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: as the one who did carry the cross, you're not, 23 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: but that there is a process of growing that happens 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: through this, and Scripture says that, hey, they're going to 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: treat you the same way they treated me, and that 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: there's going to be there's going to be problems. If 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: you read in Matthew chapter ten, starting at verse thirty four, says, 28 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, do not think that I came to bring 29 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace 30 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: but a sword. For I came to set a man 31 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and 32 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: a daughter in law against your mother in law. And 33 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: a man's enemy enemies will be members of his own household. 34 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: And that points out that there is going to be 35 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: problems even in your own family, and that's okay. As 36 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: you grow in Scripture, as you grow in your learning, 37 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: expect people to press up against you. Resistance is not 38 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: a bad thing, John, If you look at everything in 39 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: life and its beauty, the bird flying, the fish swimming, 40 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: that those things can only happen due to resistance. The 41 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: bird only flies because of the resistance of the wind. 42 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: The fish only swims because of the resistance of the water. 43 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 1: Resistance is something that should propel you forward, not keep 44 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: you back. Don't expect everybody to love you. They didn't 45 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: love me. Don't expect everybody to high five you, even 46 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: your own family, when you're bettering yourself or you're living 47 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: for God, especially if they don't understand it, if they 48 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: don't conceptualize it and be able to put it, especially 49 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: if they're you know, as you say, scientific atheists in 50 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: your own words, and they're not always synonymous, by the way, 51 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: but just because they come from that mindset, they can't 52 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: put your experience in a petri dish. They're not going 53 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: to understand it. Steve, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 54 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: Hi, thanks for taking my call, Holy. 55 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: Host, my pleasure, Steve. 56 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: I have a what I suspect is a very typical 57 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: hot potato, and that is my just of the horns 58 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: at the idea that as a part of the Christian faith, 59 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: that hell could really exist, or exist as it is stated, 60 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: where you know people outside the faith or those who 61 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: perhaps don't utter at a level of sincerity the right 62 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: words of the right time, It would then spend an 63 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 3: eternity in Hell. And it's not a new topic to me. 64 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: I've been involved in the church for many years off 65 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 3: and on, and in the last four or five years 66 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: have really given it a strong thrust, gotten involved in 67 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: the church with the Old and New Testament, not thoroughly, 68 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 3: but enough to get a good sense just you know, 69 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 3: sort of exited Deuteronomy and Leviticus, was a sense of 70 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 3: nausea with all the horrifying things that take place in 71 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 3: there and anyway, but the big thing for me and 72 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: it has caused me to sort of abandon, you know, 73 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 3: the faith as I have portrayed it in my own life, 74 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 3: and fallen on my face in front of God, said 75 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 3: please just help me find you, because I cannot accept 76 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 3: that a loving God would send people guilty or not. 77 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: The level of guilt had never equal, I think, eternal torture, 78 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 3: and therefore cannot except that it is un Christian. As 79 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 3: far as the logic that God has bestowed on me, 80 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: I will hold off to that the fact that what 81 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: if the this is just an excuse for you to 82 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: continue to control and enjoy certain sins it gives you 83 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 3: kind of a break. In other words, if there were 84 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 3: no hell mentioned in the Bible, would I still find 85 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: reasons to sort of sidestep it? Because I want my 86 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: own selfish me. So I accept, but I've examined that 87 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: pretty closely and I don't think so. And just lastly, 88 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: for instance, I have some Mormon colleagues that I work 89 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: with and are great friends, and they are far more 90 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 3: faithful and holy than I. And according to those in 91 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: my congregation, it's a cult and they're all held bound. 92 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: And just when I think of that, and then I 93 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: try to express my faith to someone else, all of 94 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: the credibility drains right out of my feet. Because I 95 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: think of that, I say, cannot, in good faith, you know, 96 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: follow a faith that would express that as a consequence 97 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: of the differing dogmas that surround the various sorts of Christmas, 98 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: Christian faith, and then of course all the rest of them, 99 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 3: you know, Muslims, Buddhism, etc. 100 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: So that's my plight, okay, And I think it's a 101 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: legitimate one. I think it's a healthy place to be. 102 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: I think if you are a believer and you don't 103 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: go through this in your walk, if you don't ask 104 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: those questions and you're not concerned about that, I think 105 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: that there might be an issue with your heart. However, 106 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: if you don't work through it, I think that there's 107 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: an issue with your faith and possibly your head. They 108 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: meld together, and there's a way to explain and to 109 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: see them. And we'll go through as much as we 110 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: can that we have time for to give you a 111 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: little different perspective. First of all, I've always been humored 112 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: by the fact that the people have an issue with hell, 113 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: have an issue with hell because they feel people haven't 114 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: earned it. But they have no problem thinking people have 115 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: earned Heaven, which they have not. So if it is 116 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: based on those kinds of concepts, people have a problem 117 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: with that. Yet innate inherent in every culture, every belief system, 118 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: so every religious belief, everything always has a punitive or 119 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: punishment system. Always. It is inherent in man to understand 120 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: that punishment is not only important, that it's just and 121 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: it is good. Everyone stands up at the end of 122 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: the movie when the bad guy gets it and cheers. 123 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: Everyone stands up when the bad guy is arrested or 124 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: has to pay for the crime that they committed, because 125 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: that's good. Yet, for some reason, when it comes to 126 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: God or the things that are the holiest of holies, 127 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: that God should just kind of brush it off and say, eh, well, 128 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: it's all right. So let's look and see what really 129 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: is being done. And the problem is that man keeps 130 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: comparing themselves to one another. You look, you just did 131 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: it with religion, and you said, all these religions, Ah, 132 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: they're kind of the same, or they may be different, 133 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: but they're really trying hard, or they're sincere. And as 134 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: it's been said that the road to hell is paved 135 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: with good intentions. The problem lies in the fact not 136 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: that there are differing views, that no one believes that 137 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: there is a true view, yet they do in every 138 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: other walk of their life. You know, if you pick 139 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: up gasoline and put it into a glass, it looks 140 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: very similar to apple juice, but there's two very different 141 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,479 Speaker 1: consequences when you consume it. So it's not about appearances, 142 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: it's not about things that you feel comfortable with. It's 143 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: about the reality. And the reality is that the sins 144 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: you commit are not against One of the sins you 145 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: commit are against God, who is a holy and righteous, 146 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 1: eternal being. So any act against that being, no matter 147 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: how small it is to you, is a complete and 148 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: total infraction against the holy will of God. 149 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: Sure, and I'll tell you one to in today. One 150 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: thing you had said is that everyone seems to have 151 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 3: a sense that, oh, gee, well, Heaven certainly exists, and 152 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: I could accept it that if I fall short of 153 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 3: the mark, and I hate to put it so lightly, 154 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: but if I fall sharp, No, that's. 155 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: The actual biblical term sin is missing the mark? 156 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 3: Right, So I missed the mark, and then therefore the 157 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 3: just consequence for me is eternal damnation. After having spent 158 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 3: sixty years on earth doing or not doing whatever I did, 159 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: the scale just doesn't equal. I can accept. 160 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: But no, no, no, no, it's because you're looking towards man, 161 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: though it's not against. The analogy that I give is 162 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: that if you were to slap your brother in wrestling. 163 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: You're messing around in the house and you slap your brother, 164 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: it's a bad thing. But if you were to slap 165 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 1: your mother, that's a worse thing, right, same act on 166 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: a different person, different consequences, right, sure, Okay, Now the 167 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: police officer comes and he says, why did you slap 168 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: your brother? And why did you slap your mom? And 169 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: you slap the police officer. Different consequences, right, same act, 170 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: same act, right. Okay, When you slap the face of 171 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: the Holy, righteous, eternal God, the consequences by definition are eternal. Period. 172 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: Now to wrestle with that is to make God human 173 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: or to make you superior, and you're not. Neither are true. 174 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: The key is to understand. You get focused on the act, 175 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: and this is how humans work. They focus on themselves, 176 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: even the faithful, focus only on themselves instead of focusing 177 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: on God and who they're slapping when they reject the 178 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: will of God. That is what the punishment is. In 179 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: a moment, I'll explain a little bit more. So hang tight, Steve. 180 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: We'll get into what hell really is and maybe that 181 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: might give a better understanding. But marinate, think about that. 182 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: It's not about the act. You keep going back to 183 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: the act. It's about who you're doing the act upon. 184 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: That is why the consequences are so great. We were 185 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 1: chatting with We were chatting with Steve. Steve, you're still there, 186 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for holding on. I marinated on our 187 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: little bit of what I was saying about that it's 188 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: not about the act, it's about who you do the 189 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: act on that creates the consequences. I will say also 190 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: that the concept of hell, which is a great concern 191 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: not only for you, for others, is different than what 192 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: people think it is now wash away all of the 193 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: emotive parts of different belief systems. It's not about that. 194 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: Logic states that regardless of how you feel about something, 195 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: there are certain laws in which are universal. You have 196 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: a phone number, it has certain digits in it. If 197 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: I call that phone number and I'm off one digit, 198 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: I don't get you by default, I don't even get 199 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: your neighbor necessarily. So in life there you can't just say, well, 200 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: if it's close enough, I should be okay. That would 201 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: be great for people who counterfeit money, it's like, well 202 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: it looks pretty close. There is reality and there are 203 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: things that aren't reality. There are things that are true 204 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: and there are things that are false. That's just the 205 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: way it goes. Every every truth claim is going to 206 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: have is going to be exclusionary by definition. So that's 207 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: something you need to get over because that's the reality 208 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: of everything. Every belief system you mentioned believes the same 209 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: of you. So it's that is everything you are who 210 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: you are, Steve, and no one can take that away 211 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: from you. Just it's the concept of a kid yelling 212 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: mom in a grocery store. You might have a bunch 213 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: of women that turn around, but only one is his Mother. 214 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: So there's more to it than just the term God. 215 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: There's more to it than just sincere faith. And it's 216 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: not about ignorance either. Hell is not about ignorance. It's 217 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: about rejection of God. So everyone will hear the message 218 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: and reject it. So like that that glass of apple 219 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: juice versus the glass of gasoline, everyone will be told 220 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: one of these, this one is gas and will hurt 221 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: you if you drink it. This one is apple juice, 222 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: and you'll be fine. But they will refuse one and 223 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: drink the other. And that's where the consequence lies. In 224 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: addition to that, the concept of hell is very different 225 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: from what people think. The concept of hell is not 226 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: about the fire and brimstone that people assume that it is. 227 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: Hell is the absence of the salvation of God, and 228 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:36,479 Speaker 1: in that is a place that there's nothing to satiate 229 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: that quench. I'll explain more in a moment. We're having 230 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: a conversation with Steve that keeps getting rudely interrupted by 231 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: commercial breaks. A very interesting question is Steve was asking 232 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: about the concept of hell, and I love that it 233 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: comes from such a great place, Steve. I know that 234 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 1: this is something that is rocking your faith and the 235 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: reason why I'm so impassioned by it because I think 236 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: it's imperative to have an understanding that punishment is not evil. 237 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: Punishment is necessary because of evil and the concept of hell. 238 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: If you don't. Is there a particular music that you 239 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: can't stand Steve? 240 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, you know the poka. 241 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: Okay polka, that's a legitimate choice. So polka. Yeah, Steve 242 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: doesn't like poka. I get that. I understand that can 243 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: be problematic. So you don't want to listen to poka 244 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: for a couple of hours, you certainly don't want to 245 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: listen to it for a year, right sure. And if 246 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: you don't want to listen to it yere for a year, 247 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to listen to it for ten years. 248 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: And if you don't want to listen to it for 249 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: ten years, you're not going to want to listen to 250 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: it for eternity. So God creates a place where the 251 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: salvation of God is not because there are those that 252 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: reject God throughout life. And God says, if you don't 253 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: want to serve me, if you don't want to love 254 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: me and obey me. For the seventy eighties, generously ninety 255 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: years that you have measley years that you have on 256 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: this planet. I will not force you to do it 257 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: for eternity. I will allow you to go to a 258 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: place where I am not now. The consequence of that 259 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: is that people don't understand how much God they get 260 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: in life. Whether they believe or not, they're still reaping benefits. 261 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: It's like somebody who drinks soda all the time says 262 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: they hate water, but don't understand that water's in soda 263 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: they're getting If they didn't get water, they'd die. So 264 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: they're getting it from somewhere. It's maybe not the best choice, 265 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: but they're getting it from somewhere. Likewise, people are getting 266 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: parts of God, even non believers are as the Bible says, 267 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: it rains on the just and the unjust alike. But 268 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: there must be a place, there must be a place 269 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: where those that don't want God, that reject God. That 270 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can say I believe in God or 271 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: I'm doing good, because your good doesn't matter, Steve, God's 272 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: good is the ruler. And if you think about having 273 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: a contractor come and build something for you in your house, 274 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: you don't want somebody who means well well, but whose 275 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: ruler is different than yours, because the house needs to 276 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: be built based on a measuring system that you adhere to, 277 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: or that the rules of the land adheres to. Otherwise 278 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 1: it's going to be built faulty. So in that sense, 279 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: if it's just anybody's belief, and anybody believes anything, then 280 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: there is no truth and there's no worthy of having 281 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: faith at all or any purpose to it. It is 282 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: all about God. It's not about you in that sense. 283 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: And to compare yourself to others and say well, I'm 284 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: better than this, or even as those group of Mormons 285 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:11,479 Speaker 1: you said that, I agree and amazingly dedicated and lovely people, 286 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: and you start pointing to all these different faiths and 287 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: saying or different belief systems, and you say, well, what 288 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: about these people? What about that people? Then it becomes 289 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: a hard issue. I get that, and there's argument to 290 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: be said, especially for the different denominations of Christianity. And 291 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: some would put you, obviously Mormons, into that category versus 292 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: there were some, as you said, that would say, oh no, 293 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: they're separate. Well above all of that, to compare yourself 294 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: to another human being may get you far in the 295 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: judicial system of the United States or any government of 296 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: the land, but it doesn't get you far enough for God. 297 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: If the measuring rod is next to God and not 298 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 1: the person next to you, then it's it's important to 299 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: understand that God is the final judge. So to sit 300 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: there and kind of measure yourself and say, well, I'm 301 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: better than this person or they're better than me, or this, 302 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: and that that's not what it's about. If there is 303 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: a God, there is one. Our Jewish brothers and sisters 304 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: would say the shma shma y Israel adonai echad here 305 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: oh Israel, the Lord, our God. The Lord is one 306 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: ahad one. There is but one God. And if there 307 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: is one God, that one God is the one that 308 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: deserves the attention of creation, regardless of emotion, regardless of. 309 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 3: What have you. 310 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: Every belief system is exclusionary. Every belief system believes that 311 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: it's right. Every belief system contradicts one another, so they 312 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: cannot all be right. They can all be wrong, but 313 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: they can't all be right. So it's fair to say 314 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: there is a right way to do it. You do 315 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: this every day in your life. Every day in your 316 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: life you make decisions based on what is right versus 317 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: what is wrong. But when it comes to religion, nobody 318 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: wants consequences. Nobody thinks it's fair. Well, let me tell 319 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: you what's fair. A holy, righteous, true, and eternal God 320 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: created you and wants you to be with him for eternity. 321 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: But if you reject him out of respect, he will 322 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: allow you to go where he is not, and in 323 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: doing so, you will feel burning the gnashing of teeth 324 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: not based on the punishment of flames and fire, but 325 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: on the unquenchable thirst of having an eternal decision made 326 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: by you and having the consequences. The same as if 327 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: you pulled a gun on somebody and shot them. The 328 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: decision is final. You don't get to say, oh, well, 329 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: I don't like the way the consequences look, so I'd 330 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 1: like to reverse it. Now it's done. Not because God 331 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: is mean, not because God is stamping his feet like 332 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: a child and petulant. It says, you didn't do it 333 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: my way, so you're done. But because God is loving 334 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: and God is just. And it's not that everywhere else 335 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: gets justice except God. That God is supposed to be 336 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: supposed to waive it. That is not loving, That is 337 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: like the parent that doesn't care or doesn't give any consequence. 338 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: To their child. That is not loving. You see it 339 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: every day. It is not loving to look the other 340 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: way and just hug someone when they do wrong and 341 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 1: harm others and reject truth. So don't expect that from 342 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: God either. Don't expect God to look the other way. Jeff, 343 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jesus Christ Show. 344 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 4: Hello Jesus. 345 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: Well, hello Jeff. How can I help you? 346 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 4: How does one know they are assured of salvation? 347 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: Uh? 348 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: You're well, the question is is a healthy one. But 349 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, the principles of salvation deal with, you know, 350 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: giving your life to Christ. 351 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 3: Have you what does that mean exactly? 352 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: Well, it means that there's a lot of things that 353 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: drive your life, you know, sex, drugs, rock and roll, 354 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: whatever it may be, and whoever's at the wheel is 355 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: the one controlling it, whether that be you and self 356 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: worship and that it's all about you, or whether the 357 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: principles that are in scripture and the things that are 358 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: taught in the Judeo Christian precepts are part of your life. 359 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: If they're not, it's like it's like you asking me 360 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: right now, well, what does a relationship mean? Well, it's 361 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: when you put somebody in a place of importance in 362 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: your life. You exchange ideas, you propel yourself based on 363 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: that relationship, protecting it and understanding it, ever deepening it. 364 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: It's a process. It's not just one particular day. But 365 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: as far as salvation, the word itself means security, safety. 366 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: The purpose of it deliverance. The purpose of it is 367 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: to understand that there is a God that loves you, 368 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: that created you, that wants to have a relationship with you, 369 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: and once to guide your life, wants you to understand 370 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: his will because he's the maker and his will is 371 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: what will help you to live efficiently in a way 372 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: that is just and loving towards the rest of creation. 373 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: And if you rebel against those ways and you continue 374 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: to just do it however you want, then you're not 375 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: in that place with God. However, if you put God 376 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: first and you have given your life to God, truly 377 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: to God, that is salvation. It's said in scripture that 378 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: if you confess your sins and that God is faithful 379 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: and just to forgive that if you confess before man 380 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: that God is your savior, if you believe. Some people 381 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: talk about it as the sinner's prayer, and that's praying 382 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: for God to be in your life. God, I give 383 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: my life to you. You are the center of my life. 384 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: I want you to direct my life for here on out. 385 00:24:54,280 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: I will see myself as a Christian. Respond to those 386 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: that ask that I am a Christian, not because they're 387 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: looking for a label, but because the word means to 388 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: be a follower of the anointed One, and that if 389 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: you find yourself in a good Bible teaching church and 390 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: you're reading God's word, then you're in that relationship and 391 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: you're your experience and receiving that salvation. That's what it means. Tom, 392 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 393 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,360 Speaker 4: Well, hello, Jesus. I appreciate you taking. 394 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: A call my pleasure. Tom. What's going on. 395 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 4: I've had a question for a long time. I was 396 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 4: raised as a Lutheran. I grew up in a Catholic neighborhood, 397 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 4: and one of my very commandments says, I shall not 398 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 4: tell a false against thy neighbor. I'm crazy, Obviously that's 399 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 4: not tact right. And I always said, well, there's a 400 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 4: reason it says it that way. Doesn't say like thou 401 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 4: shalt not kill or thou shalt not steal. It says 402 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 4: thou shall not take telephalse set against thy neighbor. So 403 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 4: I think in that respect it means sometimes in consequential 404 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 4: lies might be okay, just because you might not know 405 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 4: you're lying. You passed on something you thought was fact 406 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 4: from someone else. 407 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: But that's not lying, right, That's that's not lying. If 408 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: you passed on something you believed to be true. Lying 409 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: is for the purpose of deception. 410 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 4: Okay, But against thy neighbor, I mean, you know, I 411 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 4: hate to be such a you know, persistent on this, 412 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 4: but I just I just think that. 413 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: You're getting hung up on the word neighbors. That that 414 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: what I'm here. 415 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 4: Well, no so much as against you know, that you're 416 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 4: you're lying to hurt someone. Yes, For an example, if 417 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 4: your wife were to ask you how she looked and 418 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 4: addressed that she just bought and you know, well, let's 419 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 4: say your wife's eighty five years old and she's, you know, 420 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 4: looking kind of you know, not so good. You have 421 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 4: to say you look fine, you look great, okay? Are 422 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 4: you sinning or are you okay? 423 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: This is what they call situational ethics and applies to scripture. 424 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: Thuslie that there are times where it is better to 425 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 1: you know, kill a lie and to save a life 426 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: than to kill a life to save the truth. The 427 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: neighbor part. I will tell you this. The neighbor is 428 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: referring to anyone. It's not just the immediate people. The 429 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,719 Speaker 1: term neighbor was because of the small communities that were 430 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: inherent back the time of Scripture. 431 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 4: Well, and I brought that up for a reason. I'd 432 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 4: need to tell you that quickly. The Catholics used to 433 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 4: believe very strongly that they couldn't eat meat on Friday, 434 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 4: and if they ate meat on Friday was a sin. 435 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 4: And I would tell them what I didn't believe it 436 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 4: was a sin. So their opinion was that that was 437 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 4: definitely a sin against God. And as well, how can 438 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 4: that be? It's not biblical, it's not anything, and they 439 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 4: know that's they all practice that. Then they talked about 440 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 4: it all the time, and that was one of the 441 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 4: big issues that we had as kids growing up, trying 442 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 4: to say why are you of that belief? Why do 443 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 4: you think that is? 444 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: And they could never tell me, yeah, that's but see, 445 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: that's a Catholic doctrine that partakes They think of sin 446 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: as missing the mark, and the Catholic Church they believe 447 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: that that's missing the mark, and that it was disrespectful. 448 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: That's in the Catholic Church. That's not everywhere. And there 449 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: are those that Protestants would point to one Timothy chapter four, 450 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: verse three, don't partake of any group that who forbid 451 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: marriage or advocate of staining from certain foods which God 452 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: has created to be gratefully shared by those who believe 453 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: and those who know the truth. So there are those 454 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: that might argue back and forth. Ultimately, your first question, 455 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: I think stands as far as there are going to 456 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: be times. The worst sin of lying is when you're 457 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: applying it for personal gain. You're lying for personal gain, 458 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: and this comes throughout scripture. You see in Proverbs that 459 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: talks about a false weight, the merchants that would falsify 460 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: the weight so that they could get paid more for 461 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: produce or what have you. Well, okay, so that that 462 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: is when you know the most harmful. Now, honesty is 463 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: important in a relationship, and I think that if you 464 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: genuinely don't like the way something looks, you should say 465 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: so and why in a loving manner. And I know 466 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: many many couples that are very honest. My producer Neil 467 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: is he and his wife have a very open and 468 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: honest relationship where they'll tell things that they don't like, 469 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: and there's going to be tastes and flavors involved, and 470 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: someone go, oh, well that I don't like the way 471 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: that looks well, but I really enjoy it. Or you've 472 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: got something in your tea, or you need to blow 473 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: your nose, whatever it is. I think there should be 474 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: incredible open communication in a relationship. When it comes to lying, 475 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: you have to understand circumstance may dictate. Otherwise, if you're 476 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: in nineteen forties Germany and you're a Christian and you've 477 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: got Jews in the floorboards to save their lives and 478 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: the SS comes knocking at your door, you lie. You 479 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: lie to protict to for the purpose of protecting your neighbor, 480 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: and that's imperative. Now, if your neighbor did something illegal, 481 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: truly illegal, that is against the law of the land 482 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: and not against the law of humanity like it was 483 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: in Germany, and you're protecting them, then that's different. So 484 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: there are circumstances that dictate. But all lies are evil 485 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: in the sense that they are rejecting truth. God doesn't 486 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: want you to reject the truth. But sometimes the implied 487 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: situation is that is made up by a community. In 488 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: this case, the SS saying that that that it was 489 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: bad to harbor certain humans at the time, and that 490 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: in fact supersedes the lie. Thank you for joining me 491 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: this Sunday, this wonderful Palm Sunday. I hope you joined 492 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: me every Sunday, including on Easter. Remember I am with 493 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: you always, KF I am six forty on demand.