1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: Sinnatti Bank. Richard Skinner joins us on Wednesdays Local twelve, 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Local twelve dot com and host of these skinny podcasts, 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: where last week he ranked people on a list that 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: I submitted that included Milk Thompson, Justin Bateman, and Lenny Randall. 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: I enjoyed the rankings. What's going on? 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: How's it going? Let me be the young team person 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: to make the joke that, yes, the Bengals are indeed 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: four and a half point underdog to buy this week. 9 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: So there you go. 10 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, well done, very good. Yeah, there'll be a lot 11 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: of that on on Saturday and Sunday. I'm sure. Do 12 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: you have a major takeaway from what did and didn't 13 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 1: happen at the trade. 14 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 2: Deadline they were come about today? I mean it makes 15 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: you wonder, you know, just what are they doing? You know, 16 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: if this is our whole thing? We're not waving the 17 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: white flag on this season? Well, I mean, be realistic, man, 18 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: I mean this is this team is trending far more 19 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: towards being a team with a losing record that it 20 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 2: is to a playoff team. And oh, by the way, 21 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 2: if you if you're not waving the white flag by 22 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: not making trades, you know, trades trades out. Then wouldn't 23 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: you look to maybe get a player to trade in. 24 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: I mean it's not like you don't need safety help 25 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 2: or defensive line help or cornerback help or anything like that, 26 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: right mm. 27 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: Hmmm, yeah, No, wouldn't want to address any of those positions. 28 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 2: I no, I I just don't understand what you're doing here. 29 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: You know, what's the point of hanging on to Trey 30 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 2: Henderson if you got even if you only got a 31 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: third as an offer, and you can say, well, that's 32 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: probably what you get as a Comppic. Yeah, but you're 33 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: almost gonna have to sign so many free agents yourself 34 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 2: this off season that compick's not even gonna materialize. So 35 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: what are you doing? And listen who answers for this? 36 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: You know we made I don't Paul talked about this yester. Now, 37 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: we made a formal request to talk to Duke Tobin 38 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: this week and he was not made available. So you 39 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: know who's the answer for this? They tried the head 40 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: coach up there to answer Forton. He can't answer these 41 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: questions because it's not his decisions to make. 42 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: I just feel like, and I say this if I'm 43 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: Duke Tobin. As a human being, I go, man, my 44 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: guy Zach is out there three times a week answering 45 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: questions for a thing that he for, things that he 46 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: largely isn't responsible for, and we're having a Chase Brown 47 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: and Jamar Chase answer questions about a defense that I built. 48 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: Just as a human being, I would go, you know, 49 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: what's screwed. It's the bye week. I'll take the heat, 50 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: I'll take the questions. I might not provide satisfactory answers 51 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: like that. To me, I would think so much more 52 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: highly of him if he said, screw it. I'm going 53 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: to show up on Wednesday during the bye ask away 54 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: about this roster. And there's none of that. 55 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: No the other part too, just the simple answer of 56 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: you know, did you guys try to make some deals? 57 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: And I don't need to know specifics if it's just hey, 58 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 2: we tried. We just we couldn't find any It really 59 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: worked for us. We couldn't find players. That's great. I 60 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: have no promin that. But we don't even get that. 61 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 2: So then it comes to the point of you're a columnist, 62 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: that's your turn to take a shot, and you gave 63 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: them the fair opportunity to respond, and they chose not to. 64 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: Uh, we've heard offensive players try to be diplomatic and 65 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: they're becoming less and less less and less diplomatic as 66 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: the weeks go by. How close to a breaking point 67 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: are we when it comes to the locker room dynamic. 68 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was a one off with Chase Brown. 69 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: I do, and I mean I think that. I know 70 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: people you know, got on Zach for saying something about 71 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: Chase Brown. I think he was right. I mean, let's 72 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 2: not forget early in that football game, on a crossing 73 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: route Chase Brown dropped the ball. Would have been a 74 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: first down, might have even been a touchdown, and instead 75 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: that's four points off the board. And so you know, listen, 76 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: if you're gonna play them on the other side of 77 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: the ball, you better dag on will be doing your 78 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 2: job to the full extent. I get the frustration. I do. 79 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: I honestly thought Jamar wasn was gonna snap about three 80 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: or four losses ago. I can try to remember what 81 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: ugly loss I was. Might be a Denver loss, Monday 82 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: night loss when the Alis scored three points and he didn't, 83 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: And I thought, okay, and I'll be I'll give him 84 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: credit he's you know, he's trying to give the answer. Now, 85 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: Hey man, I don't play defense, I play offense. Yeah, 86 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: that's a good point. And I think he's trying as 87 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: hard as he can to be a captain, to be 88 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: a leader, you know, the guy that gets tried up 89 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: there on Wednesdays and after games, and the quarterback Joe Flack. 90 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: I don't think you'll never hear him saying anything like that. 91 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: So I don't think it's there, but I can understand 92 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: if it is. I mean, you know, you score eighty 93 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: points in two games, you scored thirty eight in a 94 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: game and forty two in a game, you not only 95 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: should not lose bow if you should probably not lose either. 96 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: So I get whatever palpable frustration there is. 97 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: How bad are the other safeties behind Jordan Battle and 98 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: Genostone bad? 99 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: And that's the problem. They don't trust them to play 100 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: either one of those guys, PJ. Jewels or Tyson Anderson. 101 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: There's just special teams guys. They're there in case of 102 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: a break glass, in case of emergency, and you could 103 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: argue maybe it's emergency level now, but yes, they just 104 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: don't trust those guys at all, you know, Dejon Anthony's 105 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: still stashed on on I R I believe or puff 106 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: one of those lists. They don't trust him either. So 107 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: that's the part for me is you went in and 108 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: we talked about this ad nausee. But if you went 109 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: into training camp knowing you didn't really trust any of 110 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: the safety behind the two starters, let alone be able 111 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 2: to trust the two starters, and you did nothing to 112 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: address that, just even forget purposes, nothing whatsoever, and you're 113 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 2: stuck with what you got right now. And if you 114 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: thought that it was gonna get better just because it's 115 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: a new year, well it hasn't gotten better just because 116 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: it's a new year. I don't know if it's and worse, 117 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: but after last year, I'm not so sure how much 118 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: worse it could have gotten that group. 119 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: What was it like to host a daily morning show 120 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: with Bob Trumpy? 121 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: It was interesting and so Tom Gamble and I did 122 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: that for about a year. Came to really like Bob Trumpey. 123 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: I really did. We had a lot of arguments on 124 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: the air. There was one instance where he wouldn't back 125 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: down from something I said. So as we went to break, 126 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 2: I took my head set off and I tried to 127 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: throw it at him and it was still plugged in, 128 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: and unfortunately it ricochet and hit Tom Gamble right in 129 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: the head, so he could be frustrating. He knew, I 130 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: think he knew that. I feel bad for this, that 131 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: Tom and I were there to pretty much push him out. 132 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 2: And I never wanted to be that way. I really didn't. 133 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 2: I mean, I felt so honored to host the show 134 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 2: with a guy I grew up, you know, listening to 135 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: literally every night of the week. And again once you know, 136 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: we moved moved in and and you know, Bob was 137 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: off the air. I saw him a few more times 138 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: after that. Couldn't have been any better man. And then 139 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: Lamp tells the story of him and his son. Uh, 140 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: I when I had hit me, that hit me pretty hard. 141 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: On me. I didn't know he was ailing, to be 142 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 2: honest with you know, maybe you did. I sure certainly 143 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 2: did not, So it it hit me hard, and and uh, 144 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 2: you know, back to your original question, it was it 145 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 2: was certainly an honor to do that with him. For 146 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: the time I got to do that. 147 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: I used to listen to that show every day and 148 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: and it always it always sounded like two kids with 149 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: their exasperated uncle, and I thought it was immensely entertaining. 150 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: Boy boys, where are we wearing today? 151 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man, thanks so much.