1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:00,920 Speaker 1: The best fits. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 2: It'll come down to who interviews best, which is how 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: Tom got hired. Like at the last minute they thought 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: it was going to be Russ Grimm. 5 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: They just about had given him the job. 6 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: In fact, depending on what story you believe, and I 7 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 2: believe the story Mike pursued A wrote in the Beaver 8 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: Connie Times at the time, which is that Grim got 9 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: hired and the Steelers were nicked, but Tom went impressed 10 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: at the last minute. I think there was some pressure 11 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: put on the Steelers by themselves, by mister Rooney to 12 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: hire an African America because the Rooney rule about interviewing 13 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: and hiring minorities had just been put in place thet 14 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: But it's going to come down the interview process. I'm 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: surprised Clint Kubiak isn't on the list of interviews Seattle's 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator. 17 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,639 Speaker 1: But I don't know. Maybe just one Kubiak's as good 18 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: as the next. 19 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: Maybe the Steelers are mixed up and they think there 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: is only one Kubiak. 21 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. 22 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 2: Kevin's Stefanski. Boy, this gets me hot. Kevin Stefanski should 23 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: be interviewed, should be given great consideration to. 24 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: Get the job. But he's not on the list. He's 25 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: not going to get considered. 26 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: Like I said, Flores was a bummy head coach in Miami, 27 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: but he's in the mix. Here's my hunch, Like I 28 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 2: said yesterday, I think I did I my memory fades? 29 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: What am I doing? What's this microphone for? 30 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 2: My hunch is that the Steelers would like to hire 31 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: Schule and shehas from the Rams. Shula is head coach 32 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: and shehas is the offensive coordinator. That makes sense to 33 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: me anyway, I'd want to do that, But why would she, 34 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: ohas want to make what's essentially a lateral move to 35 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: a worst team and a worst quarterback. Keep that in mind, 36 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: chances are that the quarterback the Steelers get, whoever they use, 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: ain't going to be Matthew Stafford unless it's Matthew Stafford, 38 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 2: who if you believe the the talk and I don't. 39 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: But people say they had a chance to get him 40 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: this in the prior offseason. But Shielhaus, like Tom said, 41 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: a moment Ago, is better off just staying in LA 42 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 2: you know, you know, strengthen his learning under McVeigh and 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: get a better job than the Steelers are going to offer. 44 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: If indeed it's offensive coordinator. But if it's head coach, 45 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: well that's a horse of a different calorie and a color. 46 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: What is say calorie? 47 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: Oh, a horse of a different color and a much 48 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: bigger salary. 49 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: I hammered together. 50 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: Color and salary because I'm going into florid dimension and 51 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,519 Speaker 2: I try to talk too fast. 52 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: Too Now again, I don't know who they're going to hire. 53 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: Neither do you. Neither does anybody who says they know. 54 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: Because the Steelers really do defend depend a lot, as 55 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 2: the Tomlin hire indicates, they depend an awful lot on 56 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: the interview process. So it's whoever interviews best, whoever makes 57 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 2: the best dempression on Art, on Danny and on Omar Kah. 58 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: And you never know if a coordinator is going to 59 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 2: turn out to be a good head coach. Josh McDaniels 60 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 2: case in point, one of the best offensive coordinators ever ever, 61 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 2: but LOSSI head coach and now doing what he should 62 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 2: be doing, which is offensive coordinator for New England from 63 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: whence he came with a great quarterback in Drake May, 64 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 2: and they're getting things done. The coordinator actually coaches football. 65 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: The head coach has to be more of a CEO 66 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 2: and a couple of tomas weaknesses is that he wasn't 67 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: a good CEO. He didn't like to delegate responsibility, and 68 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: the other is that he took on too much responsibility. 69 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: We got a Stephen A. Smith's SoundBite talking about how 70 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: Omar Khan should be fired because you look at all 71 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks Toman had to work with. Tomlin picked all 72 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: those quarterbacks he signed. I wanted to get Rogers, wanted 73 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: to get ross Uh, There's no doubt about that. But 74 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: that's Steven ignoring the facts because it's easier for him 75 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: to blame Omar Kahn for a number of agendas. But 76 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: when we talk about who we think the Steeler should 77 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: hire to be the head coach, when we talk about 78 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: who they who we think they will hires the head coach, we're. 79 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: Just throwing crap at the wall. 80 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: Period. That is all we're doing. You can call now 81 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: for calls on the fifteens. 82 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: For one two. 83 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: You know it's fun. I got to text with Dave 84 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: from Dave maul and Airy, the Penguins writer. I almost 85 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: set his number for the number to call. It's better 86 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 2: that that didn't happen. Number to call is eight three, 87 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: three four one two WXDX that's a three three four 88 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: one two w xdx or the super secret number to 89 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 2: call where you get on quicker four one two three 90 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: three three w xdx. Another couple of topics we can discuss. 91 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: Rayfa Apolo said, it's fifty to fifty Cam comes back. 92 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: What would be best for the Steelers. I think it'd 93 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 2: be best to bring Cam back as that locker room 94 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 2: leader for the transition and trade TJ. 95 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: Watt. 96 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: You got enough edge rushers and want ain't orts what 97 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: you're paying him, and I doubt anybody would want to 98 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 2: trade for that contract, let alone give up much at all. 99 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: But I trade Wat for like a fourth or fifth 100 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: round pick if somebody would take the contract, because you 101 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: still got her big and high smith and of course 102 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 2: the modern day warrior Jack Sawyer, and I would like 103 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 2: to see a big move like that, mate, I'd like 104 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: to see him trade. 105 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: What maybe cut Jalen. 106 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 2: I don't know what you do with DK if you 107 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: would get rid of him somehow cut him, trade and whatever. 108 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 2: And they re guaranteed the money, so there's that. But 109 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 2: with DK, if you get rid of him, you're starting 110 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: the passing game all over. And with this team needs 111 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 2: more than anything is a better passing game and a 112 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: better emphasis thereof Heck, I'm even hoping they might do 113 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: something out rageou and get a legitimate number two wide out, 114 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: which they haven't had for the last two years. But 115 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: but I think they're not going to organizationally reset the 116 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: philosophy of the kind of head coach they hire, nor 117 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 2: the kind of emphasis they put regarding defensive football sector. 118 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: They're not going to change that. But they are clearing 119 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 2: out the coaching staff. That's a big change. I think 120 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: if they traded Watt and cut Ramsey, that would indicate 121 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: that they they are doing more than just changing coaches, 122 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: that they really are going to do a bigger reset 123 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: than that for next year. You know, you know what 124 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: the terrorists always say, if you want to get their attention, 125 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: shoot a hostage and this would be that. Up next 126 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: calls on the fifteens, Get your calls in now, and 127 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: I'll give you a Dave mull and Airey's number right 128 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: after that, one oh five nine x the ex at one. 129 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: You know what's coming up? That's pretty cool. 130 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: Penn State's playing that outdoor hockey game on the thirtieth, 131 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 2: which I can't go to because I'll be in Niagara Falls, 132 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: Ontario to see the guests who reunion with Burton Cummings 133 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: and Randy Backman. But maybe we'll get Guy Gdowski and 134 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: the coach, or better yet, I'll call my buddy Riz 135 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: who works for Pat Prison the agent, and get his guy, 136 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: Gavin mckennahon, the heralded. 137 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: Freshman of Penn State, who is just I know his productions. 138 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: Not with with with the so called experts in the media. Boy, 139 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: I'm criticizing my own kind. But you know, he's seventeen 140 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: years old. He's playing against twenty year old freshmen at 141 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 2: Penn State and he's doing fine, and he'll be the 142 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: first player picked. 143 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: He went there to improve, not run up stats. 144 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: McKenna could have scored a billion points in juniors, but 145 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: he went to Penn State to play D one to 146 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: get better and more power to him. 147 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: I really respect that. 148 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: Riz represents a lot of great players like McKenna, Sid 149 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: Taves and Kine back when fan Tilly, who's going to 150 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: be in toime tomorrow with the comas Blue Jackson. 151 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: By the way, we'll be talking to. 152 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: Jody Shelley, blue Jackets color analyst, former NHL player in 153 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: the five o'clock hour but right now it's time for 154 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: calls on the fifteenths still not sponsored. Let's go to 155 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 2: Dave Dave run with double M. 156 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: Hey, Mark, I just wanted to ask you real quick, 157 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 3: why do you think Joe Brady, who has a kind 158 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 3: of a tie to the area, he spent some time 159 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,959 Speaker 3: at Penn State and a great offense in Buffalo, why 160 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: he's not being considered for the job in Pittsburgh. 161 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: Probably because he's an offensive coordinator. They're just looking, you know, 162 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 2: like I said, of the eight known interviewees, six are 163 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 2: defensive coordinators. 164 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: And also because. 165 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: I mean, how good's that Buffalo offense been and how 166 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: much of it is X's and O's and and Joe Brady? 167 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: How much is just having Superman a quarterback? 168 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: I agree with you. 169 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: You know, I didn't really take that into consideration, but 170 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 3: you know, I just thought he might at least get 171 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 3: a chance. 172 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: He might. 173 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: Yet, let's see how the interview process goes for the 174 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 2: eight guys they have scheduled. 175 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 4: Let's go to Eric, Hey, super genius. Have you said 176 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 4: it a couple of times that if arch Manning were 177 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 4: to be drafted by the Steelers, he would refuse to 178 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 4: play here. Why do you think that. 179 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: Is well, No, I didn't say he would. I said 180 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: I would if I were him. I think that's because 181 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 2: Uncle Eli, you know, did it when he got drafted 182 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 2: by San Diego and finagled his way to the Giants. 183 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: But that's still okay if you draft arts, because san 184 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 2: Diego got Philip Rivers in return in that deal to 185 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: send Eli to New York, and that worked out pretty 186 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: good for the Chargers, although Eli won a couple Super 187 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: Bowls in New York. I mean it worked out fine 188 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: both ways. Also, I mean depending on who they hire 189 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: as coach. Put it this way, if I were Arch 190 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: and Tomill were still the coach, I would not have 191 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 2: wanted to come here any circumstances. Tomlin did not know 192 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: what to do with quarterbacks, not how to draft and 193 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 2: how to develop, and really ultimately as much as anything, Eric, 194 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: don't you think that was his undoing? 195 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: I have absolutely agree. 196 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 4: He drafted Kenny Pickett in the first rot Lets you 197 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 4: keep emphasizing that, how could a ma's a permanent stain? 198 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 4: How could it not be? 199 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: Let's go to Nick in the truck. 200 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 5: Hey, Mark, don't forget we made out pretty well in 201 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 5: that deal too. We would have never gotten Roethlisberger. If 202 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 5: that didn't occur with Eli and Philip Rivers. 203 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: Well, no, that's that's not true because they were both 204 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: drafted above Ben. I think Ben would have still been 205 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: there when the Steelers picked that up number eleven. 206 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 5: I think it was according to Ben in some interviews 207 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 5: in like those NFL shows or whatever, he said specifically, 208 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 5: I would have never ended up with the Steelers. But 209 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 5: I'm just going off by that. 210 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 6: But what I did call for is I don't know. 211 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 7: Who I want, but I know what I want. 212 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 5: Do you know, out of all the options, if there 213 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 5: are anybody that are proven winners with developing talent or 214 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 5: even being able to scout the proper talent, because that 215 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 5: is what we are extremely lacking in. 216 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: Well, I don't want them to scout the talent. I 217 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: want the coach to receive the talent given to him 218 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: by the general manager. Although I would hire a better 219 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 2: general manager, or I would get Andy widelmore involved, but 220 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: this coach needs to trust the scouting and the evaluation 221 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: done by his staff who were hired specifically to do 222 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 2: those duties, as opposed to try to just bigfoot everything, 223 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: which Tomlin definitely did. 224 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 5: I would assume that the ones that were head coaches, 225 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 5: they would have had the staff that scouted. 226 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 7: That's what I'm pretty much asking like they. 227 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 5: Were smart enough to make sure that they had the 228 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 5: proper avenue. 229 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Flores is the only guy with prior head 230 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 2: coaching experience and it wasn't good for him in Miami. 231 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: Let's go to Ron. 232 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 7: Hey, though, Mark, I know you're you're active on Twitter. 233 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 6: I'm just wondering if you've seen the rumors. 234 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: About good bye bye, good bye, goodbye. Let's go to 235 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: the Hebrew hammer hammer, yuck, shamash. 236 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 6: I think that last caller was Ron art Test. Okay, hey, 237 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 6: real quick, what's your beef with Danny Smith? 238 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: I just think he's a gum chewing clown who keeps 239 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: his job because he's Pittsburgh and Central Catholic and because 240 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: he's a gum chewing clown. 241 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 6: That's a fair enough beef. H Now, if I was 242 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 6: the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who hires seventy two year old 243 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 6: special teams coaches, isn't it time to go in a 244 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 6: different direction? If you're them, I. 245 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: Think you're seventy two, It's time to go to in 246 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: a different direction to make sure you don't make a 247 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: wrong turn to the graveyard. 248 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 6: Hey, true, true, true, Dad. Hey, Now back to the Steelers. Now, 249 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 6: if the owners aren't willing to change the way they 250 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 6: run things, does it even matter who the coach is? 251 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: It depends. 252 00:12:57,800 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: That's a really good question, and I don't think they 253 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: are willing to change the way they run things. Although 254 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: clearing out the whole coaching staff is a step in 255 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 2: the right direction, because they didn't do that. You'll recall 256 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: when when Tom Win replaced Cower and these Rooneyes ain't 257 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: those Rooneyes. I see what you're getting at. But but 258 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 2: I like clearing out the coaching staff, and if they 259 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 2: trade Watt and cut Ramsey, I think those will be 260 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 2: steps in a better direction as well. 261 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 6: Hey, in last question, I have a neighbor I sometimes 262 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 6: get his mail. His name is Stan Kubiak. Do you 263 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 6: think there's any relation to the Kubiak? 264 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: That's a true Kubiaks as. 265 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 2: Much way up next, we're gonna talk to Tim Benz. 266 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: What a great show this is as far as you know, 267 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 2: one O five nine the X It's The Woody Show 268 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: weekday morning, six ten. 269 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 7: The X pop sitting here staying connected to your to. 270 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: Talk to Tim Benz. 271 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: Tim, it's a few days after the fact now, But 272 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: were you surprised by Tom when quitting. I was not 273 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 2: until it actually happened, And if that makes any. 274 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 7: Sense, well it was the same way. I'll just say, yeah, 275 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 7: I was surprised because I didn't think that enough had 276 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 7: transpired negatively for him to feel the need to walk away, 277 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 7: which is part of the reason, until or unless he 278 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 7: ever talks about this and convinces me and all of 279 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 7: us otherwise that you know, the contract might have been 280 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 7: a part of this. Mark. You know, I get it. 281 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 7: It's entirely possible he's burned out, he was sick of 282 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 7: people chanting for him to be fired and all those 283 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 7: other things. 284 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if that's the case, any's soft because that 285 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: happens to every coach in every city, with every team. 286 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 7: Well, that's my takeaway from what de Fabo wrote is 287 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 7: I don't know how thrilled Tomlin was for those details 288 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 7: to come out. In one sense, I'm sure he loves 289 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 7: it because it makes him look like the most loved 290 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 7: guy in the history of football by his players. But 291 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 7: on the other side, you know, the quotes coming from 292 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 7: the players made it sound like there was no other 293 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 7: reason given for walking away aside from you know, ah, 294 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 7: I can't be I wanted to get you there, Guys, 295 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 7: I can't be the one to finish this for you. 296 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 7: You need somebody else to do it. Like it kind 297 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 7: of sound like he was defeated and given up. And 298 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 7: yet on the other end of the spectrum, we've got 299 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 7: the owner a couple hours earlier saying I wanted to 300 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 7: run it back one more year with them. So what 301 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 7: else is there that the public should glean from that? Then? 302 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: And then you've got the factors which remain unspoken now 303 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: moving forward, Who is your choice to replace Tomlin? 304 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: And who do you predict they'll actually pick, and what 305 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: type of coach? 306 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 7: I wrote about this today in the trim. You know, 307 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 7: I don't want to see them follow their own ethos 308 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 7: and just do the Steeler thing, which is the mid 309 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 7: to late thirties defensive coordinator who's never been a head 310 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 7: coach before, so we could claim him as ours and 311 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 7: look at how good we were for finding him by 312 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 7: the way mark. There is a lot of evidence that 313 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 7: would suggest that the fact that Nol and Cower and 314 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 7: all fit that mold it's more coincidence than it is 315 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 7: them drawing that up as their box to fit people in. 316 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 317 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 2: I think what they rely on most is the interview process. 318 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 2: We know for sure Tom and got hired at the 319 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: last minute over Russ Grimm because he just knocked him 320 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: down in the interview. 321 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 7: And who fits that mold a defensive guy normally, the raw, raw, 322 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 7: enthusiastic football, blood and guts defensive guy who's probably in 323 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 7: his mid thirties who desperately wants a head coaching job 324 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 7: for the first time. It's almost a self fulfilling prophecy, 325 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 7: is it not. Oh? 326 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: No, no question, And I'm sure you, like me, would 327 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: prefer an offensive minded coach, like the shieldhouse guy, the 328 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: passing coordinator from the Rams, because that would be more 329 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: of an organizational reset. It would indicate they want to 330 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: do things different. I think letting the entire coaching staff 331 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: go does that to a degree. And they could trade 332 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: Watt cut Ramsey that would do that to a degree. 333 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: But nothing would say reset like a different in type 334 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: of coaching higher. Well, I want an. 335 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 7: Offensive guy more than anything right now, because it's a 336 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 7: different kettle of fish than it was when Tomlin stepped 337 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 7: in and Roethlisberger was already here because I want an 338 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 7: offensive guy who has a clear vision of what his 339 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 7: quarterback is supposed to look like as opposed to a 340 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 7: new defensive guy maybe trying to squeeze that square peg 341 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 7: into a round hole. So that's why I'm leaning more 342 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 7: towards an offensive guy. And if there are assistant coaches 343 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 7: that are available who are on the McVeigh tree, and 344 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 7: there are, and if there are some koobiaks out there 345 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 7: off the Shanahan tree, and there are, then yeah, I'd 346 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 7: go down that path. You know, I've heard you talk 347 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 7: about this. I've heard this speculated a lot. I'm gonna deviate. 348 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 7: I don't want the Los Angeles Rams stack though. I 349 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 7: don't want Schula being the head coach and Sieldhouse being 350 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 7: the offensive coordinator. I think that's a very slippery, dynamic. 351 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: Viewpoint right off the bat. 352 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 7: Well, not only that, but I just feel like you're 353 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 7: almost hiring to split the job at that point. You're 354 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 7: basically bringing in your defensive head coach and your offensive 355 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 7: head coach, and you're doing it without saying it. And 356 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 7: I think that's a weird vibe. Especially if the team 357 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,119 Speaker 7: gets off to a rocky start and one side of 358 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 7: the ball is much better than the other side of 359 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 7: the ball. I think that could immediately create a strange divide. 360 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 7: I just I don't like that notion. And honestly, maybe 361 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 7: I'm alone on this one guy that I really don't 362 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 7: want to see get it is Shoe Love, because I 363 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 7: don't like what the Rams defense is done down the stretch. Now, 364 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 7: they've got some good players in the front seven. They 365 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 7: don't have as much in the secondary. But you know, 366 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 7: that's a really good team, and I feel like over 367 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 7: the last month or so, it's gonna be the defense 368 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 7: that might prevent him from winning the Super Bowl. So 369 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 7: then again, I guess Tomlin came in which side of 370 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 7: the ball was it was ranked thirty personally, Get it 371 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 7: might have been against the pass and he was here 372 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 7: for nineteen So maybe it means nothing good. If they're 373 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 7: gonna go Ram, give me somebody on the offensive side 374 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 7: of the of the ball. And then if they're gonna 375 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 7: go defense, you know, Mintor is more interesting to me 376 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 7: than anybody else. 377 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: We're talking to Tim Bench from the trib here on 378 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 2: the Mark Madden Show. This segment brought to us by 379 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: Calusi Chevrolet serving the Pittsburgh area. 380 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: For one hundred and seven years. 381 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 2: Tim, I would like to see them get an offensive 382 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 2: minded head coach simply because they're gonna draft the quarterback, 383 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 2: presumably this year or next. They've got to attract another 384 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 2: quarterback to come in play. I don't want to see 385 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: him recycling old bum But I think an offensive minded 386 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: coach would would just dovetail with what they need to do. 387 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 2: It at really a position that's more important than the 388 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 2: head coach job. 389 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 7: I think that an offensive minded coach could do more 390 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 7: with less until they are really able to strike with 391 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 7: a hotter iron, you know, like I think they could 392 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 7: get more out of Malik Willis or Mason Rudolph or 393 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 7: Will Howard with an offensive minded guy who could take 394 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 7: the skills of that quarterback and adjust the offense accordingly 395 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 7: if there's no path to getting a real starter for 396 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 7: the first year of this new coach. And that's also 397 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 7: a very different dynamic than what Tomlin walked into. You know, 398 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 7: Tomlin had the quarterback, and Tomlin had the basis of 399 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 7: a good team. Even Cower when he took over for 400 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 7: Chuck Noll, had quite a few good players that Knowle 401 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 7: had brought in that became his I'm thinking like Pro 402 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 7: Bowlers and Hall of famers like Dawson and Woodson and 403 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 7: Lloyd and I think Eric Green was there. I'm trying 404 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 7: to remember exactly who bled over, but. 405 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 1: There was enough. 406 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 7: Right now, you're talking about a bunch of players who 407 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 7: are the best players are very much aging on the decent, 408 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 7: not the ascent in a lot of cases. Aside from 409 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 7: the line, the two lines, you've got young and up 410 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 7: and comers. I would say, the middle and back third 411 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 7: of the defense aside from porters, not that and the 412 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 7: skill position guys are a hodgepodge right now of either 413 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 7: overpriced or just not good enough. So it's a tougher 414 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 7: putt for this quarter this coach coming in without the quarterback, 415 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 7: especially than what we've seen in past iterations of what 416 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 7: the Steelers have gone through, at least going back to 417 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 7: when Noel took over and they were terrible, but that 418 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 7: was nineteen sixty nine and you were allowed to have 419 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 7: a little bit more patience with your coach and grow 420 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 7: it back. Then. 421 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 2: Who's going to be the quarterback next season? Because without Tomlin, 422 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: Rodgers is obviously not coming back. And I think that's good. 423 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not as sold 424 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 7: on Willis as everybody else is. I also think that 425 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 7: there's enough room cap wise, and enough options are being 426 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 7: soaked up in other places that they might have to 427 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 7: overpay for him. I think you could really overpay for 428 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 7: a guy like that, as opposed to the minimal overpaying 429 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 7: that they did for I don't know, a Fields, a Trubisky, 430 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 7: or you know, even a Russ, Well, Russ was not 431 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 7: paid for at all, even Rogers, you know, they didn't 432 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 7: pay much of anything for him. So I want to 433 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 7: see who is there in the draft and how overvalued 434 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 7: some of these quarterbacks are and who gets pushed down. 435 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Tim, if they draft somebody, he won't start 436 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 2: as a rookie. That's just not their way, unless, of course, 437 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: Tommy Maddox helps out and gets hurt. 438 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 7: Yeah, so I guess that they're gonna do that. Then 439 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 7: my prediction would be probably probably Howard, because I don't 440 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 7: I don't think a new coach is gonna want to 441 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 7: come in and just go with Rudolph since he's more 442 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 7: of a known commodity. I think they try to make 443 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 7: that guy work, But it could be QBX in the draft. 444 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 7: I just don't know who that's gonna be. 445 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: Do you think. 446 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 2: They're gonna do what I suggest, stuff like trade Watt, 447 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 2: cut Ramsey? How will they adjust that roster because it 448 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 2: makes sense to shave some money, even at the expense 449 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: of some dead cap. Yeah. Does the guy the one 450 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: guy you can't cut is Metcalf, And they stupidly re 451 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: guaranteed that money after he smacked the fan in Detroit 452 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: in the the NFL policy with with code of conduct 453 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 2: unguaranteed for like fifty minutes, it seems like, but you 454 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: can't totally restart the passing game over. But you got 455 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: a lot of Ed's rusher behind what and h and 456 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 2: Ramsey won dead good. He clearly ran out of gas 457 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 2: about four or five games. 458 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 7: Left, and safety is not his natural position. It might 459 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 7: be his best position now, and it's not his natural position. 460 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 7: You know, I would say with Metcalf, the route to 461 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 7: go there is you just Grinn and Barrett. You've got 462 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 7: probably the most expensive and overpriced number two wide receiver 463 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 7: in football. But if you're not gonna go quarterback, go 464 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 7: out and draft your Jackson Smith and Jigba, you know, 465 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 7: draft your guy who came in to make it clear 466 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 7: that DK was a number two like they did in 467 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 7: Seattle with JSN and just let him be the number two. 468 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 7: And at this point he's just gonna have to realize it. 469 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 7: He could get he's paid like a number one, so great, 470 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 7: he'll be happy there, but then he a clear number 471 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 7: one in the draft and displaced DK to what he 472 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 7: should be, which is a very good number two. I 473 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 7: heard you talking earlier about guys who are probably most 474 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 7: happy or at least happy that Tomlin is gone. And 475 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 7: I'm sure Friar Muth Friar with always talked positively about Tomlin. 476 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but he always going to be overjoyed for 477 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: the sake of his career, no matter how much of 478 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 2: a team guy and unselfish Moth is. This has to 479 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 2: be just just heaven for him that that he, you know, 480 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 2: is going to get a new start at the very. 481 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 7: Least, because if Tomlin didn't go, they would have come 482 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 7: back with Arthur Smith. They may not have come back 483 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 7: with Tera Austin, but I don't think they were gonna 484 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 7: reboot the. 485 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: I want to come back with Rogers too. 486 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: If Rogers wanted in between Smith and Rogers and you know, 487 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: Rogers basically hijacking the offense. 488 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: That's what happened to Friarmouth. 489 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 7: Oh agreed. Yeah, Now you your question about what if 490 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 7: somebody out there looks at what and thinks that they 491 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 7: can rejuvenate what he had, or you know, he's gonna 492 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 7: the next stop going to be his second stop like 493 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 7: a von Miller or Tim. 494 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: Put him in a role where he's the number two 495 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: pass rusher and that might get you over the top. 496 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 7: You know, there were some games even right before and 497 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 7: maybe right after the lung thing, where I was wondering 498 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 7: if he was the number two fast rusher because I thought. 499 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: No, no, hey, hey, what suck this year? Sorry? 500 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 2: I know he got stabbed in the lung by his 501 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: own team, but he had seven sacks to him and 502 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: only one multi sack game. 503 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 7: You know, it's funny to hear in the defable story 504 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 7: that you referenced in Good Job out of Mike. That 505 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 7: was a really interesting read. But when he was talking 506 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 7: about all the players who were reacting the way that 507 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 7: they were reacting, and TJ, you know, had that no no, no, 508 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 7: no no reaction that he quoted, but anonymously through another player. 509 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 7: I mean, like TJ was the one after the game 510 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 7: against Houston who seemed the most disillusioned to me, Like, 511 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 7: you know, she said, what answer could I have? I've 512 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 7: been here for nine years and I haven't had one yet, 513 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 7: you know. And that's him talking about him and trying 514 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 7: to put it at his own seat. I get it, 515 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 7: But it's also talking about the coach, you know, Like 516 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 7: he was the one that was practically saying out loud, 517 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 7: it's this. He used it over the same Steelers, same stuff, 518 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 7: same stuff, same stuff. He kept saying that over and 519 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 7: over again. So he was the one that sounded so 520 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 7: disillusioned to me, and then to hear him being like 521 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 7: one of the most revolted at the idea of Tomlin 522 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 7: leaving is a very push pull kind of emotional reaction 523 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 7: from him. 524 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 2: Ur Rooney too wants to contend every year. He sees 525 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: no point in wasting a year. Is that possible next 526 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 2: year with all this upheaval, And would eight and nine 527 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: or nine and eight be the worst possible outcome. 528 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 7: We'll make it really really hard for the second year 529 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 7: head coach to be in a better position to eventually 530 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 7: dropt his quarterback. Yes, absolutely, you know where I was 531 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 7: gonna go with that thought. Initially, when we're talking about 532 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 7: who's gonna be shed for cap purposes. They don't need to, 533 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 7: they have space, and I think now we're talking. 534 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,879 Speaker 2: About shedding for rebuilding and resetting purposes. 535 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 7: Well, you know, Rooney was specific asked about that and 536 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 7: he said, I never see the reason to go into 537 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 7: a season thinking you can't compete. So well, I was 538 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 7: going with the thought is for as much sense as 539 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 7: it might make, and U circumstances to not have a quarterback, 540 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 7: not have a head coach, not have two coordinators, it 541 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 7: screams rebuild opportunity. But the way Rooney thinks, that's the 542 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 7: most dire situation to hold on to everybody because you 543 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 7: gotta have a nest in place for the quarterback to 544 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 7: get into and for the new coach to come into. 545 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 7: Because and I will well, no. 546 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: No, I agree that you can build everything to the 547 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: point where when you bring the quarterback in it's an 548 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 2: easy fit and you can content legitimately right away. 549 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: But the thing is, if they go eight, nine, nine 550 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: and eight, they're not. 551 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 2: Going to get that quarterback they desperately need, I don't 552 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: know what four and thirteen whatever to finish with a 553 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 2: bad record, because one in thirteen Bradshaw six and ten Rothelisberger. 554 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: What don't they get. 555 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 7: No I hear that, and here I'll just give you 556 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 7: the devil's advocate. The way Rooney is thinking about this, 557 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 7: I'm sure, which is when Noel took over, he was 558 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 7: just hopefully not gonna suck as bad as the last 559 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 7: guy as the last guy, as the last guy as 560 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 7: the last guy. Because they had won playoff appearance with Cower, 561 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 7: I think everybody was pretty much clear that it was 562 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 7: done with nol so he was gonna have some runway 563 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 7: and the team wasn't all that bad as it turned 564 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 7: out anyway, because of some of those players we just 565 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 7: talked about. Foster was another one that I left off 566 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 7: that list, by the way, and then you get to Tomlin, 567 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 7: and Tomlin had basically a Super Bowl roster still there. 568 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 7: So I think what Rooney is looking at and saying, 569 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 7: we've never been in a position a situation in this 570 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 7: franchise's memory history. For most people followed it, can't remember 571 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 7: a time where a coach took over in a bad situation. 572 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 7: And I think he's petrified of that, which is why 573 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 7: he wanted to give it one more run with Mike. 574 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 7: So I don't think he wants to strip the roster 575 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 7: bear because I don't think he knows what it looks 576 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 7: like when a first year coach goes five and eleven 577 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 7: in Pittsburgh, and I think that terrifies. 578 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: Him Tim real quick. 579 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: Why not Stefanski because that would be my higher And 580 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 2: I can't believe they're not interviewing him. 581 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 7: Well. I think they've seen Stefanski at his worst in 582 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 7: some games. Mark. I think they saw him blow a 583 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 7: lot of games that you know, for as many games 584 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 7: as they beat the Steelers up there, there were games 585 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 7: that were also winnable with him as the head coach 586 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 7: in Cleveland. He got away from the run too quick, 587 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 7: outthought himself. There were some down moments for Stefanski against 588 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 7: the Steelers over the years that I can think of. 589 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 7: That's probably why. But if you're talking more big picture Florees, 590 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 7: maybe some other guys who are going on their second 591 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 7: job as a head coach, Yeah, talk to him. Bill 592 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 7: Belichick and Andy Reid of nine Super Bowl rings on 593 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 7: their fingers his second time head coaches. You know it 594 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 7: doesn't have to be Again, there's Steeler ethos of we 595 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 7: don't want this coach tainted by any other organization. But 596 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 7: the Holy Black and Gold. I think that gets into 597 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 7: war of thinking, and that's why they are allergic to 598 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 7: thinking strongly about coaches who have coached elsewhere. I mean, 599 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,479 Speaker 7: before this situation, like, it was the guys that they 600 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,239 Speaker 7: talked to, you know, it was their own guys. It 601 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 7: was Wasn't Hunt before it took the cardinal job. It 602 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 7: was Russ you know. I think the first time they 603 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 7: talked to Wantstat he had not gotten a coaching gig yet. 604 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 7: I think when it came down to him and Cowers, 605 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 7: So you know what I'm saying, Like the Steelers have 606 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 7: this image of themselves that if you've been through the 607 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 7: ringer with one of their teams, then you're not fit 608 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 7: to be with us, and I think that's thinning the 609 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 7: candidate pool too much. 610 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: Tim, great stuff. 611 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 7: We'll talk to again next week, now, you gotta mark. 612 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: That's Tim Ben's don't forget. 613 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: I do a podcast with him for the trip and 614 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: a Facebook live thing with him for the trip as well. 615 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 2: That's the podcast on Sunday evening, the Facebook live Monday morning. 616 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: Uh this just in, James Harrison said on his podcast 617 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: of Mike Tomlin's not a Hall of Fame coach. I 618 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 2: agree with James Harrison again except Tom Win is gonna 619 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: be even if he shouldn't be.