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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Madden Show. Come and get some.

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Speaker 2: A three to three. Wait, no calls yet. We got

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Speaker 2: Tom on in just a little bit. You can follow

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Speaker 2: me on Twitter at Mark Madden X. The Penguins played

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Speaker 2: just horribly last night. Arguably the worst game of the

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Speaker 2: season I've shot. I've chanced on everything, tons of turnovers.

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Speaker 2: Shilloffs played great in goal and kept the Penguins in

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Speaker 2: the game. And so ends the sixth game losing streak.

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Speaker 2: I to Hunts they would lose. I said to Yoe

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Speaker 2: before the game, you know, I don't think this team's

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Speaker 2: good enough to have a seven game win streak, so

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Speaker 2: it was said, and so unfortunately it did come to pass.

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Speaker 2: The New York Islanders also lost last night, so the

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Speaker 2: Penguins have a two point lead for second place in

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Speaker 2: the Metro and the teams played tonight at Queen's. Come

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Speaker 2: watch the game with me at Pittsburgh Brewing Company and

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Speaker 2: Crayton just off for twenty eight biggest big screen TV anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Give it away, Bobbleheads A team USA Hockey Jersey got

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Speaker 2: them Flyers shirts, So come and get some. Hey, I've

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Speaker 2: ripped off far worse than Dana Carvey. Here's how bad

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Speaker 2: the Penguins were last night. Sid was terrible. He was

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Speaker 2: just terrible. He knew it too. He was in no

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Speaker 2: mood after the game. And when Sid's that bad, what

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Speaker 2: chance do you got. I'm not hanging it on Sid.

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Speaker 2: He was just symbolic of how bad the evening went

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Speaker 2: for the Penguins. Although Kylomov scored again, Chinnikoff whatever that

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Speaker 2: theirs too. It was like he turned heel, he gave

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Speaker 2: for Autuba last night. He's now eight to zero on

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Speaker 2: his career against Pittsburgh. Olmark is like the undertaker at

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Speaker 2: Russellmania when they played the Penguins, come and get some.

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Speaker 2: The Islanders are kind of like the Penguins, arriving maybe

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Speaker 2: a bit early as a team, but that Schaefer kid

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Speaker 2: on defense is the biggest reason. Number one pick overall

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Speaker 2: runaway rookie of the year for sure, Younger than Kindle

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Speaker 1: Fifteen goals, Wow, just wow. Here's a hockey note.

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Speaker 2: John Gibson, Johnny Whitehall twenty one save shot out at

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Speaker 2: the best team in hockey.

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Speaker 1: Come and get some.

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Speaker 2: Everybody went nuts last week because Bill Belichick didn't get

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Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame. Robert Kraft in New England owner,

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Speaker 2: he ain't getting in the Hall of Fame either. Time

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Speaker 2: to hit the massage parlor and get rid of some tension.

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Speaker 2: Come and get some. You know, I hate to say it,

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Speaker 2: I'm probably not gonna get tired of that. It is

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Speaker 2: so snarky and stupid. So all I can add to

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Speaker 2: that is come and get some. No, I gotta stop.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not outraged in Craft ain't getting in

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Speaker 2: a hall. I know he's eighty four, might be dead soon.

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Speaker 2: Elsie Greenwood's been dead since twenty thirteen. Okay, the dead thing,

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Speaker 2: I get it. If the guy's obvious, If he's not

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Speaker 2: not outraged about an owner not making it, he never

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Speaker 1: To me, a Hall of Fame is mostly for the players.

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Speaker 1: Have to say, builders and owners and coaches shouldn't get in.

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Speaker 2: But you know, his Craft's absence hardly ruins the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame. Maybe at Craft's expense. Elsie Greenwood does finally

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Speaker 2: get on. Although those old guys like Roger Craig and

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Speaker 2: Elsie Greenwood that they're kind of like, you know, got

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Speaker 2: like that in Now that's said regarding an owner not

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Speaker 2: getting in and people in Pittsburgh. I mean, you're laughing

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Speaker 2: You're laughing at the Craft thing, and I get it,

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Speaker 2: Have been like the Spanish Inquisition around here. It would

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Speaker 1: You can Rooney rule out the wazoo.

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Speaker 2: Ain't nobody gonna tell white billionaires how to spend their

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Speaker 2: Rooney rule, I heard you. We're hiring this guy. It's

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Speaker 2: And the Rooney rule has always been well intentioned. At

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Speaker 2: it accomplished almost nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's token ism.

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Speaker 2: Interview a couple of men of color, that's all you

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Speaker 2: I do, come and get some. Should I describe that routine?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Tom, we're gonna bring you on next segment.

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Speaker 2: But should I describe the daya Carvey routine? No, I

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Speaker 2: why did you talk just now? I told you to talk.

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Speaker 2: the air. When I refer to you, well, you said

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Speaker 2: I was coming on the next direct, so I thought

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Speaker 2: it was like a tease.

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Speaker 1: Oh, like we do in radio. That's write to tease, right,

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Speaker 2: When the Japanese infielder visited the White Sox facility, he

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Speaker 2: Grab a washcloth. That's how we do it in America.

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Speaker 2: Come and get some. You know what job I would

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Speaker 2: and get some one oh five nine.

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Speaker 1: Listen to the X everywhere you go, now everywhere. Tell

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Speaker 2: I have a check Twitter, and I wonder if this

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Speaker 2: of it. Let's talking out to Tommy Radio. Tom Uh,

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Speaker 2: what's your take on Tolsen turning down the Steelers to

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Speaker 1: That that's just odd.

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Speaker 3: It is really odd to turn down a promotion, especially

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Speaker 2: The notion that he's third string though, that McCarthy calls

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't blame Tolciine.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like I can see valid reasoning for turning

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure it reflects well on the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Well, Pittsburgh fans don't want to hear this, but the

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Speaker 3: Saints have a much better quarterback situation right now than

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Speaker 3: the Steelers do with Tyler Shuck. Very surprising pick last

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Speaker 2: I kinda like the Patrick Graham higher in theory, But

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Speaker 2: Watt just wants to play like he wants to play,

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Speaker 1: But I don't want I don't want him to adapt.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to change this underachieving, overpaid group of prima donnas.

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Speaker 3: Well what I'm going with that, though, is I think

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Speaker 3: To be some conflict early on about how he is

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Speaker 3: because what clearly I mean, Tom, we know they pitched

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Speaker 3: would be here in Pittsburg, where it's to come in

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Speaker 2: McCarthy keeps praising Will Howard. Art praised Will Howard. Don't

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Speaker 2: think that slip service to appease the Marks that Howard

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Speaker 3: Unless they really are going to pull the wool over

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Speaker 1: But they just don't operate like that. Even if they

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Speaker 2: Out, don't you think that's just the bot.

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Speaker 1: That's my gut is he's gonna be the starter next year.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, Well.

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Speaker 2: I think even if he declines to come back, that

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Speaker 2: they'll go out and ressect with some other old guy.

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Speaker 3: Mentioned swinging a trade for him. I don't know how

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Speaker 3: I feel about that. That's I would actually rather take

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Speaker 3: a swing at that than bring Aaron Rodgers back. Is

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Speaker 3: it's time.

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Speaker 1: To do anything but but go four and thirteen.

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Speaker 2: I think it's crazy to do anything but tank for Arts,

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Speaker 2: Oh you know what you keep saying people comparing his

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Speaker 2: One thing to consider is Pickens doesn't do all that

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Speaker 1: Without question. Dak so much better quarterback right now than

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Speaker 2: They won a latter day offense, and Pickens had Cedee

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Speaker 3: Still applies that you don't win with guys like that,

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Speaker 2: Pickens is another element of the Mike Tombwin myth control

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Speaker 3: That's what he was really good at, was covering up

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Speaker 2: I still maintained that Ab and the damage he did

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Speaker 2: Tom Win just not being a very effective coach. Oh,

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Speaker 2: this just didn't I heard that Tolsen was put off

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Speaker 1: When Art concluded by saying, come and get some.

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Speaker 2: Should Eli Manning get in the Hall of Fame at all?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's impossible to tell it with without Joe Namath

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Speaker 3: I don't think he should be a first ballot quarterback.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot more quarterbacks that I think are worthy

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Speaker 1: Joe Namath was one game under five hundred in his career.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Joe Namath was better than his record, won

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Speaker 1: His knees betrayed him. I mean that all smacks of

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Speaker 3: But Mark the ultimate excuse if you want to make it.

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Speaker 1: He was doing that too.

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Speaker 2: That's true. He won by the Jets. It's almost like

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Speaker 2: France won a war. Come and get some one five nine.

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Speaker 1: It's the mornings at six.

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Speaker 2: Tommy Radio about depends.

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Speaker 1: Uh Tom.

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Speaker 2: Not a great effort by the Penguins last night in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess that is gonna happen from

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Speaker 3: They're not a juggernaut status of a team, despite their

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Speaker 2: I said earlier, I said before the game, I don't

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Speaker 3: They're not like a wagon where it's just every night.

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Speaker 3: It's total consistency, so not super surprising. You start to

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Speaker 2: I think so too, And I think they've grown as

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Speaker 2: And you saw Jarry's already bitching in Edmonton about giving

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Speaker 2: I will say one thing about tonight's lineup that I've

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Speaker 2: few players played good last night in the lost to Ottawa,

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Speaker 3: I thought McGroarty was good the entire three game stint

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Speaker 3: But I just don't know who you would sit down

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Speaker 1: That's right, That's that's I mean. I don't like it,

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Speaker 3: I have to keep the Gino, Chinikov Novak line together.

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Speaker 3: That line is going to be together. You got to

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, sid in a ways having an up

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Speaker 3: And I was looking through some game logs. He's gone

439
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Speaker 3: four games now without a goal. That's he's done that

440
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,480
Speaker 3: twice already this year, so he hasn't gone five straight

441
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 3: games without a goal.

442
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Speaker 1: I bet he puts one in tonight against the Islanders.

443
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Speaker 2: It's just weird to see him play bad, like you're

444
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 2: you're in the You're in the press.

445
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 1: Books're like, wait, what what just happened. And it is

446
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,040
Speaker 1: such a like Gino.

447
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Speaker 2: I'm used to the turnover that's always been part of

448
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 2: the package, but.

449
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 1: Not with sit right, correct and Gino.

450
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 3: That line, despite the turnover from Gino, I mean, that

451
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 3: line was still such a force.

452
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: Last Chinikov can't stop once. Unbelievable. I call him Karlamov.

453
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,880
Speaker 3: It's it's it's ridiculous. And the Geno connection is great

454
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Speaker 3: with him. So what a steal that has been for Dubis.

455
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 2: You know what, here's here's a minor bitch. But like

456
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 2: I saw somebody talking about the best Russian players ever

457
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 2: and saying that the Geno's number two to Ov, they're

458
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 2: both becind Karlamov, you know, who never got to play

459
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Speaker 2: over here because of the the Cold War.

460
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Speaker 1: But I mean I saw Karlamov play. He was better,

461
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:34,360
Speaker 1: I know that, and.

462
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 3: He died young, correct in a car acci right? Yeah,

463
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 3: And we just don't know about all those Soviet era players.

464
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 3: Like it goes both ways. Like I know, some people

465
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 3: like to say, oh, they never played in the NHL. Yeah,

466
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: they never played in the NHL. Chance I got to

467
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: see them. I did, and I.

468
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Speaker 1: Know they would have dominated.

469
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like Fatisov came over and struggled because the

470
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 2: culture jump and he was older then. And then he

471
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: went to Detroit and became a cornerstone on defense in

472
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Speaker 2: his midie He's of a Stanley Cup team.

473
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,159
Speaker 3: Like I have to imagine all those guys would not seamlessly.

474
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 3: Like you said, it took him a little bit of time.

475
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 3: But like Triti act, don't you think he would have

476
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: dominated in the net if he came over.

477
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Speaker 2: Tretchack's one of the five best treasure I've ever seen.

478
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it's just the people like to say, oh,

479
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 3: they didn't prove it against the best in the world,

480
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 3: but they were the best in the world.

481
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Speaker 1: Then that was who you had to prove it. Again.

482
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Speaker 1: You feel bad about this because I met Tretchik. He

483
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: was very gracious.

484
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Speaker 2: I took a picture with him when he was the

485
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: Blackhawks goalie consultant and I said something dumb like, oh,

486
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: thank god they pulled you in that game.

487
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Speaker 1: Right, And but that's a sore spot. I shouldn't have said.

488
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Speaker 3: It, probably, but it was such a mistake. I mean,

489
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Speaker 3: you just got to keep rising.

490
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Speaker 2: Like Mikyleloff said, it was their captain back then he goes,

491
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: we win, we win, we win, we win, we lose

492
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: one game, then is all we hear about forever. And

493
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 2: he's right, it's it's not fair, but that's what happens

494
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Speaker 2: when you're the best hockey team ever.

495
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Speaker 3: They did that thirty for thirty right about them, like

496
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Speaker 3: the other side of it, like that put that it

497
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Speaker 3: was bike. We were the best ever for the dynasty.

498
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Speaker 3: They're the best hockey team ever of the dynasty. Soviet

499
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Speaker 3: Dynasty was the best hockey team of all time. To me,

500
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 3: there's not even doubt about it. Yeah, I mean they

501
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: just every test they went up against they won, except

502
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Speaker 3: for that miracle on ice.

503
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Speaker 1: And when the Flyers just just assaulted them. They didn't

504
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 1: win that one, but that's not really hard.

505
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: And then the game I always point to like and

506
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: it was Soviet rate Army the club team and had

507
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: you know, almost a whole national team. They played the

508
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 2: Canadians on New Year's Eve when I was a kid.

509
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 2: It was a three to three tie, and that was

510
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: the Dynasty Canadians and they had to muster every ounce

511
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Speaker 2: of their ability to just get a three to three.

512
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Speaker 3: Tie against the Russians, right, yeah, I mean they were

513
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 3: just such a machine. There's no comparison. So you're right,

514
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Speaker 3: I mean it is. It's not doing history justice to

515
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 3: just kind of forget about that those guys when you

516
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 3: talk about best Russian players ever.

517
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: Getting back to the peng was this Islanders game is

518
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 2: kind of big neck and neck in the Metro and

519
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: maybe a first round playoff preview. You know, Tom, it

520
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: would be better for them to finish second or third

521
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Speaker 2: in the Metro than to win it, because if you

522
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 2: win the Metro, you could get lumped in with a

523
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: wild card from the Atlantic. I thought you likely would,

524
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 2: and that would be a tougher playoff matchup. I mean,

525
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to play whoever from over there instead

526
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: of the what if you played Detroit?

527
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: I know, Johnny Whitehall.

528
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 3: Right now, the Penguins have fewer points than the second

529
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 3: wild card team, Boston by one point. Now they have

530
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 3: a game in hand to play Boston. I don't want

531
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: to play buff Buffalo. I might actually take it again.

532
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 3: The Islanders are the Bogie team. I might take Buffalo

533
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 3: if it was this scenario, if there was some crossover

534
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 3: into the Atlantic back and forth too. Yeah me beg perfect, right,

535
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking exactly. Now they just wouldn't

536
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 3: be ready. I also, I am keeping an eye on Columbus.

537
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: They might sneak up and catch the Islanders, especially if

538
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 3: the Penguins can do a little bit of a favorite

539
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 3: night and kick the Islanders back some.

540
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 2: You know what's really working against Columbus though they're Columbus.

541
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Speaker 1: Caps worry me. And they traded chinakoff the Caps worry me.

542
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: You got you got ov scoring, Wilson's at a point

543
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: per game. They got Chickrin and Carlson on defense. Logan

544
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: Thompson's a real good goalie.

545
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: They worry me.

546
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Speaker 3: I would if I had to rank the three teams

547
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Speaker 3: right now beneath the Penguins that I'd want to play

548
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 3: Columbus first, Washington second. I don't want the bogie team

549
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 3: New York. I hope the Islanders fall out of third place.

550
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 3: I'd take the Capitals over the Islanders.

551
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 1: No, not me. That'd be fun, though, Mark renewing that rivalry.

552
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: It would be fun. Come and get some.

553
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 4: Uh.

554
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Speaker 2: The Islanders don't impress me on paper, but Sorocan's very

555
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: good goal. They're kind of deep in that Shaffer. Good God,

556
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 2: that freaking Shaffer. Like like you know, when I I

557
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: heard about his great start because I didn't see a

558
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: lot of Islander games on TV, but I heard how

559
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: Grady was playing, he was scoring goals. I went out

560
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: of my way to watch games on TV featuring them

561
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: since then.

562
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Speaker 1: And he's the real thing.

563
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Speaker 3: He's amazing, no question. But I really do think that

564
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 3: they're gonna fall out of this thing. They just look

565
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: like a team that's not really a playoff team. They're

566
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: plus four goal differential, that's not great. They've lost two

567
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: straight now, like and as you said that, other than Schaeffer,

568
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: there's nothing that's overwhelmingly impressive about them. I just I

569
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: don't think that they're gonna be able to sustain it.

570
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 3: And I think it starts tonight because the Penguins have

571
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 3: two games in hand and are up by two points.

572
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: If they can get up to four point cushion with

573
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: two games in hand after tonight, that that's pretty good.

574
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: Barzal is their biggest offensive threat. You're not gonna go

575
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 2: too far as you're there's nothing that number one threat.

576
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: You know who's tough on the Penguinsos anders Lee scores tonight.

577
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: He just gets it in front of a friggin net.

578
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: He is tough to deal with Don Low. Rusty coming

579
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: back tonight helps And you saw that hit by Tom Wilson, right,

580
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 2: that went unpunished on Stanko. Yeah, Carolina, that was a

581
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: worse hit than Russ. But but you know what I've

582
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: concluded Tom rust not being a goon. Well, I mean

583
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: the director of player safety quote unquote is a goon,

584
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: that guy from the trailer park in Washington, PA. But

585
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: being a goon gets you slacked from him because he

586
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: wasn't goon and also because then it's slumped in with

587
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: the way you play.

588
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: Oh, he plays good hard hockey. Sometimes your shoulder goes up.

589
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: Whereas Rusty, who doesn't play that way, never been suspended

590
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: before this.

591
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: That looks out of place for him. It looks dirty.

592
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, no other league does that either, at least I don't.

593
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: I don't feel that way that no other league's department

594
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 3: of player safety does that, where it almost punishes a

595
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: player for being a good boy scout for his entire

596
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 3: career and then having one lapse into making a bad play,

597
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 3: a bar line, dirty play like Rusty did. And then

598
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 3: Tom Wilson does that all the time, and he's watching

599
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: that Paris and he's like, that's just that's Tom Wilson

600
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 3: hockey right there, he's trains coming down the train tracks.

601
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 4: Right.

602
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: Hard hockey, good hard hockey. Keep your head up. Stank

603
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 3: Over the chicken wing too, right like? It looked like

604
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 3: he gave it a little extra push on stank Over

605
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: and when he went in there, it was just it

606
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: was disgusting.

607
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: Weren't no Matt Cook chicken wing. He was the absolute king.

608
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: Oh the wing, come and get some Uh what did

609
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: you make a muse this challenge on Ottawa's game winning goal.

610
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: It was a long shot to win that challenge, but

611
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 2: I kind of got it because the way the Penguins

612
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: were playing, keeping that game at a tie right there, however,

613
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: it was unlikely was probably their best way.

614
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 3: I think it was just a very calculated move. Yeah,

615
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: Like it definitely was worth the try.

616
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: He probably he probably figured it was a thirty percent

617
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: chance to win it, maybe twenty five.

618
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: Why not give him that change that was their best chance? Yeah,

619
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: no doubt about it. Try to bleed that game into overtime,

620
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 3: get a point out of a game where you played

621
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: just terribly worst performance in a couple of months. So

622
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Speaker 3: I don't at it at all. I think it was

623
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: a good move coaching wise, and Jerreu scoring the goal.

624
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: I mean, get out of here.

625
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: That's all right. Nothing going on up there, nothing going

626
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: on for his eleven goals?

627
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: Is it turned out Crosby didn't pass him to baton

628
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: like that dopey writer in I Forget his name. I

629
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: bet everybody's forgotten his name and it won't be long

630
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 2: until they forget Jeru's name too.

631
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Speaker 1: Come and get some one oh five nine.

632
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Speaker 4: Tonight's the Pens hit the ice against the Islanders. Game

633
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Speaker 4: time is seven thirty. Our coverage starts at six thirty.

634
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Speaker 4: Listen to every game and the best Pens coverage on

635
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Speaker 4: your home and the Pittsburgh Penguins one O five.

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Speaker 1: Nine the X from the one oh five nine the

637
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Speaker 1: ex Weather Center.

638
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: I was just perusing the Olympic Hockey schedule, the finals

639
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: at eight ten am on a Sunday. How much promotion

640
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: does the NHL really get out of it? And the

641
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: answer is almost none. This is to play kate the players,

642
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 2: but it's prove that every time the NHL comes back

643
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: from international competition, the TV ratings don't go up. They

644
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: stayed the same as they were before the Olympics because

645
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: people see the Olympics is just a standalone event, not

646
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: least for hockey. Tom, what do we got for today's trifecta?

647
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: For today's triffector, I have a Penguins tri effecta. Three

648
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: things I need to get out of the Penguins, specific

649
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 3: Penguins for tonight's game against the Islanders. Number three with

650
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: Eric Carlson, He's got to get his head out of

651
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: his backside from last night. That was one of his

652
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 3: worst performances of the season, and with the tangout, they

653
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 3: really can't afford him to stack those performances against each other.

654
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Speaker 3: He needs to eat a ton of ice tonight and

655
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Speaker 3: he needs to play at a really good level like

656
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Speaker 3: he has for most of the season.

657
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Speaker 1: So he's got a bounce back big. He needs to

658
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Speaker 1: just not turn it over.

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Speaker 3: It was just bad last night. Needs to wash that away.

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Speaker 3: Number Two, I need Brian Rush to score me a

661
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: goal tonight. He's been out for three games, was suspended.

662
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't deserve that three game suspension, but either way,

663
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Speaker 3: he had to serve it. Come back into the lineup

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Speaker 3: and score a goal. We need you in the first line.

665
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Speaker 3: But Number one, I need a couple points out of

666
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Speaker 3: Sid tonight. It's just been too long for him to

667
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Speaker 3: have a multipoint game. It's been like five or six

668
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Speaker 3: games since he's had.

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Speaker 2: That, or a big goal, Yeah, like one that gets

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Speaker 2: them back in it, or the size it at the death.

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Speaker 3: Like four straight games as I said earlier, without a

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Speaker 3: goal for Sid. That's the longest streak this year that

673
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Speaker 3: he's had two times prior. So get a goal. How

674
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Speaker 3: about a couple of assists to a nice three point

675
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Speaker 3: night for Sit against the Aisles.

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Speaker 2: The trifecta brought us by Danny's Piter and Hogies family

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Speaker 2: owned and operated since nineteen sixty. That's Danny's on Route

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Speaker 2: eighty eight in Bethel Park, and the first hour of

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Speaker 2: the show brought to us by our good friends at Shenderovich,

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Speaker 2: Shendrovitch and Fishermen. Tom, you need to cue me up

681
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Speaker 2: earlier in the show to I know, to plug the

682
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Speaker 2: twins and fish what.

683
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Speaker 1: Happened to the fines? Who's got time for that? I

684
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Speaker 1: probably owe so much he come and gets some, Yeah

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Speaker 1: I should.

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Speaker 2: I'd say it would take a paycheck, give me like

687
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Speaker 2: forty five hundred. We'll call it even. Uh, Tom, you

688
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Speaker 2: never watched heated Rivalry huh, never watched it, so there's

689
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Speaker 2: no point in doing my review now for Heated Rivalry

690
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Speaker 2: because I finished it up.

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Speaker 1: Are you watching the Have you watched it Netflix? E yet?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: You haven't watch that yet either? Not yet?

694
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Speaker 2: Geez, you're not You're not keeping up with with with

695
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: the life blood of the show, which is stuff that's

696
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: on the periphery of actual sports and is therefore much

697
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Speaker 2: more interesting.

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00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: Oh, no question, much more interesting.

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Speaker 3: I'll definitely watch the eighties thing on the Olympics, especially

700
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Speaker 3: with the Olympics getting started. I mean, how can I

701
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: not watch the movie too this time of year, right

702
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Speaker 3: with the Winter Olympics getting started up?

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Speaker 1: Miracle one of the best sports movies ever made.

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Speaker 2: You know what's great about about the documentary is it's

705
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Speaker 2: all the guys and I'll talk at length about it later,

706
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Speaker 2: although I've not finished it.

707
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Speaker 1: I watched like fifty minutes of it.

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Speaker 2: But all the old guys with old guy perspective on

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Speaker 2: what they did. And what's greatest too, how easily they

710
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: fall back into their usual routines. Okay when they're all together,

711
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: like they showed the clip against the checks because the

712
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: US blew out the checks in the second game.

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Speaker 1: Of the tournament, which which was totally unexpected.

714
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Speaker 2: The checks were you know, dark Horse possibly right right,

715
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: and the US beat him seven to three, and a

716
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: check took a cheap shot at Mark Johnson, like cross

717
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: checked him in the throat, and Herb was like ballistic

718
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: on the bench, wasn't yeng He did that death stare

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Speaker 2: like like Herb sometimes had. You're gonna eat that goddamn

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Speaker 2: coho three right down your throat three. And the players

721
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: talking about that, they said that was good because you know,

722
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 2: you know, Herb was really hard on us, but that

723
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Speaker 2: moment let us know that he cared about us. And

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Speaker 2: I think it was Bill Baker said, well, no, it

725
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: was because it was magic and he points to Mark

726
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Speaker 2: Johnson and he goes, anybody else in ROUZIONI cuts him

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Speaker 2: off and goes, yeah, would have been me, he said,

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Speaker 2: He's okay.

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Speaker 1: Get up bite. He would be like, good hit three. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: we would have done that.

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Speaker 2: It's been still but it it's just it's just the

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Speaker 2: great documentary.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk more about that at length. Do they

734
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Speaker 1: talk about the movie at all in the documentary not

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Speaker 1: to the point I've seen.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, when you watch this because it

737
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: really sets the stage well, you know, for not only

738
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Speaker 2: the Cold War tension, but just how big a dynasty.

739
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Speaker 2: We talked about that earlier in the show, that the

740
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Speaker 2: Soviet hockey team from that era is the best team

741
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Speaker 2: of all time in any sport. I really believe that,

742
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: and what odds were conquered for the US to win.

743
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: And it really puts Mark Cuban's notion that Indiana football

744
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: winning the NCAA's is comparable to rest if you wanted to,

745
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: because he's an ass and he spoke out of it.

746
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Speaker 2: It's not even anywhere close. It's not in the conversation now.

747
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Speaker 2: I agree with that, and that doesn't diminish. It's an upset,

748
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Speaker 2: no question about it.

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Speaker 3: One of the bigger upsets as far as the season

750
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Speaker 3: long accomplishment is concerned. But the miracle on ice is

751
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 3: just it's a different level. It's it's almost strange. It's

752
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 3: stranger than fiction almost with what they were able to do.

753
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: It seems mythological, like it shouldn't have been able to happen.

754
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: It's something that was baked up in a movie theater

755
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 3: for American propaganda to be like, ah, I see, the

756
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Speaker 3: Soviets aren't that good, but it was real.

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Speaker 1: They proved it that they aren't that good. They are

758
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: that good, but that they could be beat. They bleed too.

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Speaker 1: You know what. And by the way, on on Friday.

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Speaker 2: We've already talked about this off air til we're gonna

761
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 2: waste basically the whole first hour by talking about super

762
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Speaker 2: Bowl snacks, best super Bowl TV commercials ever. And also

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Speaker 2: I'm going to add this, I didn't I didn't smarten

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Speaker 2: you up about this earlier, but best super Bowl halftime

765
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Speaker 2: shows because the controversy in quotes air quotes about big Bunny,

766
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Speaker 2: bad Bunny whatever, big bad doesn't matter, shows how old

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Speaker 2: I am. No bad Money, I'm familiar with his work

768
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: from Happy Gilmore too, but bad Money being the super

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Speaker 2: Bowl halftime show, just to talk about that is overblown.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: The president, who's the most unpresidential president ever, you know,

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Speaker 2: took it upon himself the comment that that bad Bunny

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Speaker 2: in Green Day, you know, shouldn't be you know, involved

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Speaker 2: like Green Day's pregame, right.

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Speaker 1: I think that the opener, yeah, pre game opener.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what did Trump want up with people?

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Speaker 2: Or a dog catch a frisbee? I mean, just ignoring

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Speaker 2: that he's a total ass. The Super Bowl halftime show

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Speaker 2: and the pregame, it's not supposed to be what a

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00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: seventy nine year old white man would want. In fact,

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00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be anything but what a seventy nine

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Speaker 2: year old white man would want.

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Speaker 1: Isn't there some kind of alternate halftime show?

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Speaker 3: Yes, like the I Think It's Turning Point. USA has

785
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Speaker 3: their alternate halftime show headlined by Kid Rock.

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Speaker 1: You know what'd be great? What if it was a

787
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: musical based on the Epstein Files, Come and Get.

788
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Speaker 2: Some Uh, the best halftime show ever besides the dog

789
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 2: catching the frisbee.

790
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Speaker 3: Yeah you said that. I wouldn't hate that. I wouldn't

791
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Speaker 3: mind that coming back.

792
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Speaker 2: Just just brilliant. The best halftime show ever was when

793
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Speaker 2: Steven Tyler and Joe Perry from Aerosmith.

794
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 1: Were up there.

795
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Speaker 2: And I forget if it was Aerosmith performing, did they

796
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: join somebody else? But they were on stage at the

797
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: same time as Britney Spears in her.

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Speaker 1: Absolute Try God.

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Speaker 2: There was a time tom about three year period when

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Speaker 2: she was the best looking woman in the world.

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Speaker 1: One Yeah, don't you think the power rankings?

802
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Speaker 3: Don't you think when she was making I forget what

803
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 3: the songs were, Yeah, but definitely.

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Speaker 1: Baby one more time I would know.

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00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: You know, the songs tells you all you need to

806
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: know about her pervasiveness at the time of music. And

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00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: she was always wear like the booty shorts, yes, the

808
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 2: schoolgirl out there and like and like the sequin workout

809
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: bras under some other guy some other description. But but

810
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: she's up there with Tyler and Perry and they're standing

811
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Speaker 2: behind her looking at her like she's a steak dinner

812
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 2: with all the trimmings, and ah.

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Speaker 3: They like that cartoon dog that like pounds the table

814
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 3: and goes, oh, you know what. I bet they were thinking,

815
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Speaker 3: come and get some.

816
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Speaker 2: Now, here's your chance to win one thousand dollars, just

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Speaker 2: as