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Speaker 2: In ot right, they're.

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Speaker 1: Gonna kick the field goal and they're gonna win again.

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Speaker 1: But that that's where I think people start losing their

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Speaker 1: a way to.

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Speaker 2: See if Courtney Cronin might have been available to assist week.

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Speaker 1: She's very busy these days, but every once in a

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Speaker 1: while we're still able to get her and we didn't

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Speaker 1: even try. Bears, of course, hosting the finale of the

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Speaker 1: divisional round taking on the Los Angeles Rams formerly of Anaheim.

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Speaker 1: Right now, it looks like it's kind of sunny in Chicago,

447
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Speaker 1: but it's supposed to be very cold by the time.

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Speaker 1: I think the opening kickoffice schedule for just past five

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Speaker 1: thirty Central time. How many of these games do we

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Speaker 1: have in the fan? Do we have other teams that

451
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Speaker 1: we who local teams playing that obviously take precedence.

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Speaker 2: Today's NFL Day, NFL Day All Long Perfect.

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Speaker 1: Probably will be tomorrow on our program. Love the grum

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Speaker 1: gal is hit the next key point I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get to. Regarding the interception call, she writes, I think

456
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Speaker 1: the worst part of the bill's bronco was is it

457
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Speaker 1: was not reviewed. I think the coach said the same thing,

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Speaker 1: ketchrick or not. What was the crew thinking, Well, that's

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Speaker 1: not quite accurate.

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Speaker 2: It was reviewed. The mistake was.

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Speaker 1: Not being a little bit more deliberate in the review process.

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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, that's I think the reason why McDermott ends

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Speaker 1: up calling a time out. There's no challenges at that point. Furthermore,

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Speaker 1: here here, and this is something I think the NBA

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Speaker 1: does better than the NFL. In fact, there are times

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Speaker 1: where this specificity and detail offered in the lead referee

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Speaker 1: of an NBA game explaining the outcome of a challenge

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Speaker 1: of a review. Specifically, here are the four things that

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Speaker 1: happened on that play once we looked at the review,

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Speaker 1: and this is why we made we're going with the

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Speaker 1: decision we're going with.

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Speaker 2: NFL could use that.

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Speaker 1: I think that wouldn't have changed minds, probably, but I

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Speaker 1: think it would have gone a long way to at

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Speaker 1: least saying, all right, they're getting it. This is the

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Speaker 1: play of the game. At this point, we're just gonna

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Speaker 1: what woah, wah, wah, what's so? Why are we going

478
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Speaker 1: so fast here? We don't even understand exactly what took place.

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Speaker 1: Tell us explain to us what took place? And I

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Speaker 1: think a little bit more detail and precision might have helped.

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Speaker 1: The play was definitely reviewed. You could argue was reviewed

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Speaker 1: too quickly and that you needed a more deliberate process,

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Speaker 1: But I think, as much of anything, it's the art

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Speaker 1: of explaining that that at least gives the folks who

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Speaker 1: believe the right call was made the opportunity. I think

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Speaker 1: a better opportunity to defend it. It seemed like I said, wah, wah, wah,

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Speaker 1: we're going too fast.

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Speaker 2: What are we doing? And is it actually being looked

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Speaker 2: at it all?

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Speaker 1: Is that the classic play that whatever was called on

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Speaker 1: the field, there was not going to be enough evidence

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Speaker 1: to overturn it. I don't know, but I do think

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Speaker 1: that worked against anybody feeling a little bit more satisfied that, Okay,

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Speaker 1: here's at least they're giving us. Here's the rule as

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Speaker 1: it's being explained again, here are the circumstances. Now you're

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Speaker 1: a big gene sterotory guy, aren't you. Former referee extraordinaire.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he sent out about an hour ago. And

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Speaker 1: I think it needs to be put into the conversation

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Speaker 1: at some point when reviewing plays, the league should consider

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Speaker 1: adding a speed threshold for anything involving the element of time.

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking myself, Jean, what do you mean? And

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Speaker 1: he says, well, let me tell you. When you slow

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Speaker 1: plays down to one one hundredth speed, it distorts actually

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Speaker 1: happened and makes it look like in this case, Cooks

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Speaker 1: possessed the ball for seconds prior to losing it. The

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Speaker 1: game is not played in slow motion or frame by

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Speaker 1: frame for a catch A secure control of the ball

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Speaker 1: B two feet down in bounds. C after A and

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Speaker 1: B had been fulfilled, clearly performs any act comedy of

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Speaker 1: the game, eg. Extend the ball forward, taking a national step,

511
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Speaker 1: tuck the ball away, turn up field, or avoid or

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Speaker 1: ward off an opponent, or he maintains control the ball

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Speaker 1: long enough to do so. C is where there is

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Speaker 1: a judgment needed since A and B are clearly met.

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Speaker 1: Now consider this note to the rule, and this is

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Speaker 1: basically what the same part of the rule that we

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Speaker 1: just quoted from the Seffert piece. If a player who

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Speaker 1: satisfied A and B but has not satisfied C contacts

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Speaker 1: the ground and loses control of the ball, it is

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Speaker 1: an incomplete pass if the ball hits the ground before

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Speaker 1: he regains control, or if he regains control of the bounds.

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Speaker 1: Because Cooks did lose control the ball when he contacted

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Speaker 1: the ground, and the ball never contacted the ground, it

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Speaker 1: was ruled an interception by Denver. I still think he

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Speaker 1: had control the ball when he contacted the ground.

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Speaker 2: At the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Now, again, what the league's going to have to explain

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Speaker 1: is what the difference is between this ruling and the

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers ruling. Now that's a quarterback, but it's still

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Speaker 1: in that case, it is a reception as viewed as

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Speaker 1: ball batted down at the line, it's still in the air.

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Speaker 1: Comes back to Rogers. The call in the field is

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Speaker 1: then as he goes down, it's stolen from him, and

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Speaker 1: it was reversed, and that that takeaway was taken.

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Speaker 2: I think it was taken away from the Ravens if

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Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 1: So that would indicate, well, all right, how did we

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Speaker 1: end up with one ruling this week and a different

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Speaker 1: ruling as recently as December seventeen when it looks like

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Speaker 1: some of the same things are pretty much in force.

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Speaker 1: We'll have to see. So it's very interesting, and again

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Speaker 1: it's compelling. It's a compelling debate topic that's going to

543
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Speaker 1: carry us all the way, carry the National Football League

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Speaker 1: conversationalists all the way to the first game today, which

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Speaker 1: is New England the Patriots hosting the Houston Texans. It

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Speaker 1: is worth noting I think if you are a defensive

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Speaker 1: leaving aside the officiating, and we will in the second

548
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Speaker 1: hour get to the pass interference calls because I have

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Speaker 1: strong feelings on those actually stronger feelings I think on

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Speaker 1: those than this play. It is interesting to me that

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Speaker 1: if you're a defensive purists, you should kind of be

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Speaker 1: loving what's going on here, because again, you look at Seattle,

553
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Speaker 1: They've had some nice weapons offensively, I'm not saying they're

554
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Speaker 1: not capable of scoring. But the last regular season game

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Speaker 1: against the Niners that sort of determined who would have

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Speaker 1: home ice, I think they gave up three points to

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Speaker 1: the Niners. In this game, they gave up six points

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Speaker 1: to the Niners. They have in terms of points allowed,

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Speaker 1: they're number one in the league. Were reminded that if

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Speaker 1: you have a that level defense, you could be a

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Speaker 1: factor almost no matter what you have at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: You still need a quarterback to make some plays. But

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Speaker 1: that's a really good defense. Denver has a really good defense. Now,

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Speaker 1: how much of the takeaways you don't have to do

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Speaker 1: with Buffalo just self destructing. How much of that is

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Speaker 1: part of why the Denver defense was good yesterday? We

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Speaker 1: can argue about that, but the Denver defense is really good.

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Speaker 1: In fact, you know a lot of people, for those

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Speaker 1: who don't know, bo Nicks is out.

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Speaker 2: He is done for the season. He's undergoing surgery.

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Speaker 1: I think Thursdays in Alabama a fracture in his ankle,

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Speaker 1: and I think the backup is named Stidham, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's thrown a pass in a National Football

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Speaker 1: League game in like almost eight hundred days. And there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of peop people saying, well, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Don't even bother playing that game. Denver's got no chance.

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Speaker 1: I'll put this way, if if Houston steals the game

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Speaker 1: in Foxborough, I'd still give Denver a Chips sharing a

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Speaker 1: chance again because of their defense. Because Houston doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a great offense. Houston's got an up and down offense.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't give up on the fact that Denver at

582
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Speaker 1: home could still win, which is a testament to how

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Speaker 1: good they are defensively. Seattle is great defensively. The Bears'

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Speaker 1: biggest issue trying to move forward is it's still a

585
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Speaker 1: questionable defense at best, especially now we'll throw in the

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Speaker 1: caveat If you evaluate defense in part on the basis

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Speaker 1: of takeaways, then the Bears are not awful because they

588
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Speaker 1: are number one in that quality in that category, and

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00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: that matters. That's part of defense. But when they can't

590
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Speaker 1: take the ball away, they got a real problem. Maybe

591
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Speaker 1: no matter what the weather is, maybe the weather will

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Speaker 1: work in their favor rams defense, I think, legit, this

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Speaker 1: this could be a year for where defense becomes a

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Speaker 1: bigger issue because you've got some really big name quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: out of the mix. Right, Mahomes is out of the mix,

596
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is out of the mix. Lamar Jackson is

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Speaker 1: out of the mix. And they're not being replaced in

598
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Speaker 1: all cases by quarterback legends. But those quarterbacks, I think

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Speaker 1: again are surviving in some measure because they're playing good,

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Speaker 1: smart football and making enough plays. But they are supported

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Speaker 1: by some really good defenses. Dan checking in from the

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Speaker 1: fish house on Upper Red Lake. This is from six

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Speaker 1: to one to two. Guy, it's minus four here in

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Speaker 1: windy temperature going to minus twenty tonight. Couldn't think a

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Speaker 1: better day to fish and watch football in Thousands of

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Speaker 1: others out here agree.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever been a big h fish house guy?

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Speaker 2: Ice fishing guy?

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Speaker 3: I think while the fan outdoors guys call me an

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Speaker 3: avid indoorsman, I think been fishing once in my life.

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Speaker 2: I'd be open to sitting in a fish house. Now,

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Speaker 2: would you need liquor to do it?

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Speaker 1: Because a lot of people say to me, that's the test,

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Speaker 1: because if you need liquor to.

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Speaker 2: Do it, then I don't. I think you're kind of

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Speaker 2: a fraud.

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Speaker 1: I think if you're if you believe in ice fishing

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Speaker 1: and the concept of it, I would say, then if

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Speaker 1: you're a purist on it, you shouldn't need any of that,

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Speaker 1: because otherwise what it tells me is, well, no, there's

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Speaker 1: no chance I could. I have to deceive myself into

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Speaker 1: thinking this is a wonderful experience because I'm lubricated basically, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm I'm I'm at the very least buzzed.

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Speaker 1: Maybe worse than that.

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Speaker 3: Well, there could be some liquor that makes you a

626
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Speaker 3: little warm, keeps the warmth up a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: You don't sound good. Don't you think you're gonna make

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Speaker 1: it to tomorrow? Because we need you tomorrow. I'll be

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Speaker 1: here you that in what state?

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Speaker 2: Iron man? But are you taking anything? Are you a

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Speaker 2: guy who likes to take over the counter.

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Speaker 3: Mads or chug some DAYQ? Well earlier, Okay, so we'll

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Speaker 3: see how she goes. Yeah, sometimes that can help. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm a big robotussin guy. Okay, but I usually get

635
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Speaker 3: the robotussin that doesn't have tile and on it. It's

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Speaker 3: just it's for cough and for congestion things like that.

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Speaker 3: I I there's a date, there's a daytime robotussin, and

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Speaker 3: then there's a night time robotussin as well.

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Speaker 2: That's my go to stuff. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: I do think if you've had colds or whatever, I

641
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: think this weather has contributed to the fact that it

642
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Speaker 1: feels like it's harder to get over this stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because you're in and out of these ridiculous conditions. Forty

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Speaker 1: mile per hour winds projected right seven oh one guy?

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Speaker 1: Where is that seven o one guy? You're talking about

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Speaker 1: where you are or you're talking about at Soldier Field?

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Speaker 1: Early evening five point thirty start Blizzard and Fargo. Very

648
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: little snowfalling breaks with some occasion, but very low visibility

649
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Speaker 1: with strong winds. Temperature's falling. That's Pat and Fargo love

650
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Speaker 1: the show. If Peaquat Lakes it's just snowing that there

651
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Speaker 1: is much visibility on the roads, while when driving behind

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Speaker 1: someone perm Detroit Lakes area two inches of fluffy light snow,

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Speaker 1: no wind yet, but blizzard warning starts at noon, so

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Speaker 1: maybe the blizzard stuff is supposed to be later in

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Speaker 1: parts of the state. Jake from Granted falls. How in

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Speaker 1: the world can so many people watch the same video

657
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Speaker 1: and have such polarizing opinions.

658
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Speaker 2: Well, check our politics.

659
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Speaker 1: I'll give you a good example of just how politics

660
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: seeps into everything. It just reminds me see if I

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Speaker 1: can find it. So I had tweeted out yesterday, where

662
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Speaker 1: is it?

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Speaker 2: Go find it?

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Speaker 1: Oh, I responding ask you to Tommy Kramer, because last

665
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: night Tommy Kramer was hot. Not sure how you call

666
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: two pass interference calls to decide a game?

667
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 2: Let them play?

668
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Speaker 1: And my reply was I thought the first one was

669
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Speaker 1: shaky the second legit, to which a tweeter responded, you

670
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Speaker 1: also think Tim Wallas and Jacob Fry have done a

671
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Speaker 1: great job.

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Speaker 2: Think about it.

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Speaker 1: So he's taken an observation about officiating and he has

674
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Speaker 1: found a way to turn it into something political. Not

675
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Speaker 1: to mention a rather dramatic risk instrumentation of my position

676
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: regarding the governor, notably the governor of the great state

677
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Speaker 1: of Minnesota, and quite frankly the mayor in terms of

678
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Speaker 1: some of his rhetoric early in this process, but that's

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Speaker 1: the beauty or I guess maybe the ugliness or the

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Speaker 1: destructive nature of social media at this point. Now, could

681
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 1: it be a bot? I guess it could be. I

682
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: don't even understand how the whole bot thing works. That

683
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: might be part of the equation as well. Uh seven

684
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Speaker 1: sixty three guy regarding the interception call obvious interpretation. It

685
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Speaker 1: kind of goes through his arms in real speed slow

686
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Speaker 1: mo makes it look like he had possession for two seconds.

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Speaker 1: That's and that's sort of what sterotory is saying. And

688
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: that's a fair point, which goes back to we're never

689
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Speaker 1: as much as we clamor for more and more replay,

690
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: We're never going to be I've said forever in the

691
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: in the name of getting it right, my theory all

692
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: along has been it's fool's gold to think that that

693
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: that that means we have a chance to get to

694
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Speaker 1: that sweet spot of nirvana where everybody's going to agree

695
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: on the call. There are still, on many calls, going

696
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: to be fifty percent of watchers who are on one

697
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: side of it and fifty percent on the other. You're

698
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: kidding yourself if you think that replay is going to

699
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Speaker 1: take care of all that and this is the perfect example,

700
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Speaker 1: uh of that, with whatever they would have ruled on

701
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: this particular play. Second hour, I want to get to

702
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: the pass interference calls and what I classify as the

703
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: insanity of the past interference terrorists who I think utterly

704
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: and completely missed the boat when it comes to how

705
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Speaker 1: they interpret and evaluate what took place on those two

706
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Speaker 1: pass interference calls and what some of them believe the

707
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Speaker 1: solution should be. It's it's almost mind boggling, But then again,

708
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Speaker 1: people tend to lose their their minds over stuff like this.

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Speaker 2: Our two sermons. Next, you have meddled with the primal

710
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: forces of nature and you are tone you know, it

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Speaker 2: just occurred to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming we'll have John Krasinski Johnny Athletic tomorrow. U

713
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: will check on he gave us a bonus week last week.

714
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Speaker 1: We get him this week?

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Speaker 2: Fine?

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Speaker 1: If not, that's cool too. Deserve some time off from

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00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: our program. I think I should also maybe check in

718
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Speaker 1: with my buddy Rick Bozic, who is now retired from

719
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: all of his media duties, which is turn him into

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Speaker 1: a full time Indiana Hoosier football roube, and we'll try

721
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Speaker 1: to take his temperature on Monday on Bumper to Bumper,

722
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: helping us preview Indiana and.

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Speaker 2: Miami.

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Speaker 1: The last I saw Indiana was an eight and a

725
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: half point favorite right net range, which still kind of

726
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: boggles the mind, but maybe not so much in the

727
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: basis of the way they've played through the postseason. But

728
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Speaker 1: we will get to some college football on tomorrow's show.

729
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: You heard during the iHeart Minnesota Sports Update, Chris Cooper,

730
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: the Vikings offensive line coach, is no more.

731
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Speaker 2: We have moved on. Apparently we are not renewing his contract.

732
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Speaker 1: So does he become the fall guy for what took

733
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Speaker 1: place in the two thousand and.

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Speaker 2: Twenty five season. I hope not. I I just don't

735
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Speaker 2: think it's.

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Speaker 1: Difficult for me to believe that he is at the

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Speaker 1: top of our list. This is a guy that koc

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Speaker 1: brought here and has had here. I think since he

739
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: came things change. I get that, you know, you're allowed

740
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Speaker 1: to evaluate your staff, but it just sort of comes

741
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: off as a little bit of fall guy stuff to me.

742
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

743
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Maybe he wanted out. I'm not sure. We still have

744
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Speaker 1: no resolution, by the way, on Brian Flores, in part

745
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: because certainly he's in for at least one head coaching

746
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 1: position I think might be in line for another interview

747
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: if he hasn't already had it. But and I know,

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00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, is it his fault that the

749
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: players we added? I mean, is it his fault that

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00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: the center was as you know, Ryan Kelly was as

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00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: injured as he was.

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00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: I don't know it.

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Speaker 1: And now, frankly, I still think the bigger issue is

754
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: the the difficulty that the head coach has philosophically with

755
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Speaker 1: really establishing a balanced game.

756
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 2: Now maybe he couldn't have I don't know.

757
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: Some of the speculation has to do with the fact

758
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: that some linemen who were here that we've rejected are

759
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: doing well elsewhere.

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00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: Well.

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00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: Is that on the offensive line coach, or is that

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Speaker 1: on the talent evaluators like the general manager and the

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Speaker 1: head coach. It just seems very curious to me. But

764
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: we'll talk to our folks who cover the team regularly.

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00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: We'll talk to Johnny tomorrow. I'm sure we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Kevin Seffert on Tuesday, Ben Gesling, maybe even Alex Lewis

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00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: on it.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to make too much of it, but

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Speaker 1: it is a change that's going to be made and it.

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Speaker 2: You know, oddly, I think.

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Speaker 1: It feels to me like more of this has to

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Speaker 1: do with who you have out there, how you're using

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00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: those pieces, and let's be honest, more than anything else,

775
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: it's about your quarterback, the quarterback play. I know early

776
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: in the season as well, if you had Arn Rodgers,

777
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 1: you'd gotten killed because the protection wasn't very good. Protection

778
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: wasn't always very good. But remember we had all the

779
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: stats early when the mc bobos were trying to defend

780
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: McCarthy and saying, well, he's just getting killed, and the

781
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: stat at the time was that McCarthy actually was holding

782
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: onto the ball longer than pretty much any other quarterback

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00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 1: in the league. It was just the opposite of what

784
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: them bobo's wanted to believe. So we'll see where that goes.

785
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: Who we have in mind, that's one of those position

786
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: coaches that most people don't even know the name of.

787
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: I think largely until he screws up right or until

788
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: you don't get to play. It's the same with offensive linemen.

789
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: So it's important. But we'll see exactly where that goes,

790
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: and we'll get some opinions on it as well.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get.

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Speaker 1: To the pass interference debate as it again reared its

793
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: ugly head yesterday and on what ended up being the

794
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: game winning drive, there were two worthy of much discussion

795
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Speaker 1: and debate and anger. One could say, So Broncos have

796
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Speaker 1: the ball at their forty seven, They've got a second

797
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Speaker 1: and tent Nicks sends a pass in the direction of

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Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton along the sidelines, and it's.

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Speaker 2: An incomplete pass, but.

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Speaker 1: The Denver defender, I think it's white in this case,

801
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: excuse me, the Buffalo defender gets called for pass interference.

802
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: I thought this call was very shaky. I would put

803
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: this in the best call here is a no call.

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00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: I did not think the contact was nearly enough to

805
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Speaker 1: merit the call. I became less offended about the call

806
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: because if you were if you were call at that moment.

807
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: Buffalo is also flagged for a roughing the passer penalty,

808
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: so they decline that penalty because the pass interference penalty

809
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: gave him I think a couple of few extra yards,

810
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: not a bunch, but a few.

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Speaker 2: I think it actually would have been too extra yards.

812
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: So I'm just not going to get quite as offended

813
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: about that, given that if they were going to get

814
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: fifteen yards anyway, even though I thought it wasn't a

815
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: good call. But in people's minds who are anti the

816
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: cliche is.

817
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 2: Let the players decide.

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00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be about the Zebras, Let the players make

819
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: the plays, which sounds really good when you say it

820
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: around the water cooler, everybody gets, oh, that's but means

821
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. If you have rules in place that indicate

822
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: there's certain things you cannot as a defender do, the

823
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: notion that you forget about those things when the game

824
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: is on the line is preposterous to me because I

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00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: think we can all see what it contributes to or

826
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 1: would contribute to. The second pass interference call. But I

827
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Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is because that one was called

828
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Speaker 1: very shit won in my view, then if there was

829
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Speaker 1: going to be another one, people are gonna lose their mind.

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Speaker 2: These two of them. How do you do two of them?

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00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: Well, the fact of the matter is, I think the

832
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: second of the two was a legitimate pass interference call.

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00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: I hated that it had to be called there, but

834
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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: You are.

836
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: Not letting the players or in this case, the receiver,

837
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Speaker 1: decide the outcome. You're letting another player, by cheating, decide

838
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: the outcome, and that was the one of course that

839
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: set them up immediately in in field goal range. Correct,

840
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: let me give you the details on where that was.

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00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 2: Now.

842
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: The balls at the Buffalo thirty eight second and twelve

843
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: passed to Mims junior Whites again in coverage incomplete, and

844
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: this was called pass interference, So that's a essentially becomes

845
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: a thirty yard penalty, so you're in position immediately to

846
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Speaker 1: kick the field goal. The only thing they did, I think,

847
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: was had the QB move over to get to the

848
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,959
Speaker 1: middle of the field, and that's basically all they needed,

849
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: although they ended up getting more yardage because of unsportsmanlike conduct.

850
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: So before the ball gets there, White has grabbed mimes

851
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: around the torso, as Seffert writes, he just does. So

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00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: I think that's the right call. People can lose their

853
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: minds or oh I hate the game ending that way. Well,

854
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: if you don't have rules in place for a reason,

855
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: don't bother with them, then don't put them in Say

856
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as pass interference. There are people

857
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: who believe that, or they say it's ridiculous that pass

858
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: interference should be.

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00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: It should be like the college rule fifteen.

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00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: Yards in certain circumstances.

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00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 2: Do you know how often.

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00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: Games would be brought to a halt by pass interference

863
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 1: of penalties deliberately committed in the NFL, if it only

864
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: costs you fifteen yards, game would be brought to a halt.

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Speaker 1: So I get it because I think the first of

866
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: the two was lousy and it's set up. It put

867
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: the people's antenna up for the second one. That was unfortunate.

868
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: The mistake was if the first one was not called.

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Speaker 1: I know there's still be the same people whining about

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00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: the second one, but I'd say it was the right

871
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: call because if you say the cliche I want the

872
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: players to decide, that receiver was not allowed to have

873
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: a chance to decide because he got pulled by the

874
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: torso even before the ball got there. So I sorry,

875
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: I know that's not what you want to hear. And

876
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: the idea that we just suspend all there's no now

877
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: we can talk about consistency. Was there one earlier involving

878
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: buffalo being on the wrong side it They talked about

879
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: it on the broadcast.

880
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 2: This is near the end zone.

881
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: I thought the impeding took place after the ball had

882
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,439
Speaker 1: kind of already gotten there.

883
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 2: But we can argue about it. I'm not saying they're perfect.

884
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not saying there's always consistency, because it's always

885
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: going to be the most interpretive of all the calls there.

886
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: Glenn Mason thinks it should be every passer inference call

887
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: should be reviewable. I think that would also be a

888
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: mistake because I don't think it would ever end. But

889
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: I think the second one was. As much as I

890
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: hated it ending that way, I thought the second one

891
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 1: was a legitimate call. And to those people again who

892
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: love mouthing the cliche about slept, the players decide they

893
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: don't mean what they're saying, because if one player cheats

894
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: to get in the way of another player's chance to

895
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: change the outcome of a game, then that is changing

896
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: the outcome of the game unfairly. We have officials in place,

897
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: and you know, I guess you could have pregame meetings

898
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: say guys, we're not calling past interference the last two minutes,

899
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: but do you realize what that means for the defensive back.

900
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: That's giving the defensive backs permission to basically do whatever

901
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: they want to do, and say I don't have to

902
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: worry about anything now. If in the course of a game.

903
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: The feeling is they called it looser earlier than they

904
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: did later. That's not good. I don't think that kind

905
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: of consistency is helpful at all. But the idea that

906
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: you're actually supposed to go out of your way to

907
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: call it even looser at the end of the game

908
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: makes no sense to me.

909
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: I think in this town some of it is.

910
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: Peyton hatred, and I understand some of that based on

911
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: the history here Bountygate, et cetera. It's I don't want

912
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 1: to see that smirking sob get anything in his favor,

913
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: and that that may maybe and maybe Bets have something

914
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: to do with it as well. I don't know, but

915
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: I you know, so in any case, I'll take I'll

916
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: look at some of your texts here on this subject.

917
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 2: I do want to talk a little bit about the

918
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 2: wild what we had.

919
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: I think we got nine games left before the break

920
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: after yesterday's game.

921
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: I think it's nine.

922
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: Wolves, a very unusual occurrence last night in San Antonio, Davey,

923
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: which we will discuss even in a setback, and then

924
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: we'll get to some a bunch of texts six four,

925
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: six eighty six, and as we said, effectively because the

926
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: first PI call, even though it was a bad call.

927
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: I just you know, I think you got to think

928
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: real world, in a real world sense. If there's another

929
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: penalty called, and it was a legitimate one on roughing

930
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: the passer, then it's not as big a play as

931
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: people are pretending. It's not the conspiracy people are pretend.

932
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: If you're going to get fifteen yards anyway, that's a

933
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: two yard difference, not a twelve or eighteen or twenty

934
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: yard difference. It would have been exactly two yards different.

935
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: As well. What else did I have? Well, I said

936
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: wolves wild, and I had one other nugget, maybe baseball related.

937
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: So we still got a good forty five minutes to go.

938
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: Keep the weather reports coming in as well. We always

939
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: love those. And we'll continue after a very brief pause

940
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: here in the film.

941
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: All right, give me.

942
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of you were able to

943
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: watch file a live report for US Brett Blaymore on

944
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: Kevin Falness's favorite hockey team taking on Red Hot Buffalo

945
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: and sending the game to ot and then getting the

946
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: extra point. Yeah.

947
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 3: I didn't watch the entire thing start to finish, but

948
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 3: I did keep up with it and knew what was

949
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 3: going on. It was a good victory in the sense that, well,

950
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 3: it was a good victory overall, especially on the road

951
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 3: against red hot team and a matinee game. The thing

952
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: that I took away from it is that there was

953
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 3: like six or seven different things that the Wild could

954
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 3: have used to say, well, not.

955
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: Our day today.

956
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 3: You know, we've got all these injuries, boldies now in

957
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 3: the ir X, now in the ir Rodeine's out, everyone's out,

958
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: and it's a matinee day game on the road.

959
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 2: It's a really good team. Well we just don't have it.

960
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 3: And then even in the course of the game, you

961
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 3: give up two goals, you're up, I think three to one.

962
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 3: You give up two goals and spend like two minutes.

963
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 3: Now it's three to three. All of a sudden, then

964
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 3: you give up a power play goal. Now it's four

965
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 3: to three. You're down. Another opportunity where they could have

966
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 3: just said just not a night tonight, we roll over.

967
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 3: And that's what they did in the homestand was just

968
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 3: roll over and said we're done, We're not trime. Thankfully

969
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 3: they didn't. Quinn Hughes unleashes just a bullet top shelf.

970
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 3: You tied up four four, and then Zicarella went overtime's

971
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 3: beautiful goal as well. So you'll love to see caprice

972
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: Off get a couple I think three assists on the night.

973
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 3: So that's my big takeaway, as they could have rolled

974
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 3: over and just said we're not interested because of all

975
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 3: these circumstances, but they didn't.

976
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 2: Then they won, So we're happy about that.

977
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: And we're happy for them, there's no question about that

978
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: because we kind of needed it, right. We need to

979
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: get something going. I mentioned I think on Friday at

980
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: that point, I think there were ten games left before

981
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: the break, and you say, okay, let's just get back

982
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: to a place where you feel like you've righted the ship,

983
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: so to speak, before the break, right, That's what you're

984
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: looking for now, is just some sign of we got

985
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: ten games to figure this out and let's not let

986
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: this fester into something that seems to still be looming

987
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: as we hit the break. Are you worried about caprice

988
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: Off long term?

989
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 3: Though? But I do think that he's not playing I mean,

990
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 3: the three assists last night, it's a great steps right

991
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 3: direction it is. I just think he's playing like a

992
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 3: good hockey player. But we don't expect him to play

993
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 3: as a good hockey player. We expect him to be

994
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 3: a game breaker and we're just not seeing that as

995
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 3: of late. Maybe you get to the Olympic break and

996
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 3: you feel recharged and you go from there. But he's

997
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:25,919
Speaker 3: playing fine, but we expect more than fine, and he's

998
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 3: capable of that, and he knows that.

999
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: In San Antonio, Davey.

1000
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: Could the Timberwolves have lost this particular battle as in

1001
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: this game but won the war?

1002
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 2: What do I mean by that?

1003
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: Well, for those who missed it, the Spurs hold off

1004
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: the Wolves.

1005
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 2: I think the.

1006
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: Wolves were down twenty five at the half and they

1007
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: came back and not only made a game, they were

1008
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: ahead on a Devincenzo three in the final minute and

1009
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: then ultimately lost one twenty six to one, twenty three

1010
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: victor Wim Banyama thirty nine points, nine boards a huge

1011
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: offensive rebound in the final seconds. The story of the

1012
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: game might have been Anthony Edwards. Even in loss. Edwards

1013
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: came off missing the last two games, scoring a career

1014
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: high fifty five points, and the story within the story

1015
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: is that he scored twenty six of the wolves thirty

1016
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: nine points in the fourth quarter, eight for twelve from

1017
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: the floor. He was five for seven from three. He

1018
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: was absurd. The quote from Chris Finch, he preferred the

1019
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: word phenomenal, made big shot after big shot. He was

1020
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 1: inspirational tonight when Banyama was a hell of a story

1021
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: and of himself twelve points in the fourth, three for

1022
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: three on three pointers. Rudy Gobert didn't play. Nas Reed

1023
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: played only five minutes. He has a shoulder injury as well,

1024
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: so we were a little shorthanded there. And as I mentioned,

1025
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: e Vincenzo hits a three, one O, three to go,

1026
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: we're up one. And then when Baan Yama gets hits

1027
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: a twenty footer, he blocks a Baron jay reverse layup

1028
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: that preserves the league. That a three pointer by Kelton

1029
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: Johnson with the shot clock going down. So what do

1030
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean by losing the battle but winning the war? Well,

1031
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: we've all talked about even before the season began, all right,

1032
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,800
Speaker 1: how do the Wolves not only maintain their position of

1033
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: getting to the final four but ascend beyond it? And

1034
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: the assumption I had was, well, you didn't really make

1035
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: any significant changes in your roster, and you lost a

1036
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 1: key bench player, Nikiel. So the growth is going to

1037
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: have to come from one or more of the young players.

1038
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: At the beginning of the season, as naive as it

1039
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: sounds now, it was projecting Dillingham as a guy who

1040
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: could make a big jump in year two. He's made

1041
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: no jump to this point in year two, to the

1042
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: point where he's not even in the rotation. So well,

1043
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: how else can you grow? Well? Can Jayden take another step?

1044
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: Can Nas become more like the guy he was two

1045
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: years ago and who was sixth Man of the Year.

1046
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,479
Speaker 1: Can de Vincenzo play better than he did his first

1047
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 1: year overall? And I think he has. Can Randal be

1048
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: more consistent? Julius Randall has been terrific through much of

1049
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: this season thus far. But there was one other X factor,

1050
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: and I believe I saw Chris hin tweet about it

1051
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: and he's right. The other X factor is the possibility

1052
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 1: that Anthony Edwards is finally ready to ascend from not

1053
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,959
Speaker 1: a top ten player in the league, but a top

1054
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: five player in the league.

1055
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 2: That in itself.

1056
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: Might help you make the jump to either to at

1057
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 1: least maintain where you were, give yourself a chance to

1058
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: get back there, may even take the next step. His

1059
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: clutch numbers are tremendous this season. We've talked about that before,

1060
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: probably get back into it tomorrow. With Johnny, he's missed

1061
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: more time this year. I think that he's missed the

1062
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: last three. That's a little concerning. But if he has

1063
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,480
Speaker 1: the assumption along was with a guy like that, well,

1064
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 1: he's not really in his prime yet as good as

1065
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 1: he's been, and how high is the ceiling? Can he

1066
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 1: be a top five player? Well, he played like a

1067
01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: top five player last night. He has to sustain it, obviously,

1068
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: But that's.

1069
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 2: The winning the war part.

1070
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: If you can get Edwards to that place that rarefied

1071
01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: air on a consistent basis, all bets are off. You're

1072
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: giving yourself even if you don't make another move. And

1073
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: I am convinced, utterly convinced that the Wolves will make

1074
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: one move before the trade deadline. I don't think it's

1075
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: necessarily going to have to be going to be a

1076
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: huge name. I don't even know that maybe it has

1077
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: to be a huge name, But I think they will

1078
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: address the guard situation one point, one way or another.

1079
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:20,919
Speaker 2: I do.

1080
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: I think they want to give themselves another piece, either

1081
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: to help the bench or even to consider being a

1082
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: if not a starter, a guy who can also handle

1083
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: the ball and be a bigger factor there to give

1084
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: themselves another option. But Edwards was a revelation and it

1085
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: was one of those rare games where you might not

1086
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: have come away disappointed or that devastated that they lost,

1087
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: given what they put into getting back into the game.

1088
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: And hell, this could end up being I mean, if

1089
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: you look forward to the possibility of these two teams

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Speaker 1: meeting in the postseason, there's a chance that could be

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Speaker 1: a very very good series on the basis of what

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01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: we've seen thus far. The Wolves won the season series,

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01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 1: and obviously the Spurs won the game most recently. Let's

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01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: do this, Let's get a pause in I've got a

1095
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: lot of texts regarding officiating, some ideas that have come

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01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: in to kind of fix things, and well also I

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01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: think maybe talk a little bit about the two games

1098
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: yet today all the football Action Pro Football Action will

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01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: be on the flagship FM one hundred point three today,

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Speaker 1: starting with the early game in Foxborough, where I think

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01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: there's also a chance of snow there, I thought, I

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Speaker 1: read and then obviously I don't know if there's much

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01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: snow in the forecast in Chicago, but it's supposed to

1104
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: be one of the coldest games ever played at Soldier Field,

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01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: and there have been some rather cold ones over the years.

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Speaker 1: So if you have any questions about those games or

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01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 1: observations more on what you saw yesterday. Do you have

1108
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: any thoughts about the National Championship College Football Game? Do

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01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: you buy the notion that it kind of gets lost

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01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 1: when this is the timing? I mean, I think this

1111
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: has kind of been the timing, But does it get

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01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: lost when it's in the middle of, you know, the

1113
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: National Football League playoffs? I don't know what the answer is.

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01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: I don't think you can wait forever. You can't wait

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01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: for after the Super Bowl, for God's sake. Can you

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01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: get done sooner?

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01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 2: Not if you're going to.

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01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: Keep expanding the playoffs, So any of those subjects are

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01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: on the table. Bradshawan Brian Kafean text line is six

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Speaker 1: four six eight sick.

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Speaker 3: Dan.

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01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 2: If the Bears.

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Speaker 1: Punch a ticket to the NFC title game, do you

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Speaker 1: open the Who's Your Pregame Show tomorrow with I've Got

1125
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: everything and You've got nothing?

1126
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 2: Leader, I would never stoop to those levels.

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01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: Lavelle e Neyo the Third Night. Although he's not a

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Speaker 1: hoosier guy, he's the University of Illinois. Guy, that's not me.

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm not made that way. Now if I'm not going

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01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,960
Speaker 1: to rule out the possibility that if on the Tuesday

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01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: show after an Indiana National championship, that I might and

1132
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: the Bears win headed to Seattle, I might go down

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01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 1: that particular road.

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01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might not be above it at at that point.

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01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: All right, here's man, we got a lot of good

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01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: texts that have come in. I'm going to try to

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01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: distill several of them. Final half hour of sermons. Don't

1138
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: forget both playoff games on the fan. I think the

1139
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: first game is is the first game two o'clock Central.

1140
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: We start them late because the second game is not

1141
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 1: prime time, but it's closer to primetime. I think that's

1142
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: slated for five point thirty or five point forty somewhere

1143
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: in there. That's the one in Chicago. The first one

1144
01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 1: is in Foxborough. So we do have the interesting situation

1145
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:10,839
Speaker 1: where or yesterday's games Denver was the first game in Seattle,

1146
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 1: and Seattle all four outdoor games?

1147
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 2: Who knew? Now?

1148
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: Again, I mean, I guess there are more outdoor venues

1149
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: than I think of. I mean, obviously, lots of games

1150
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. That's outdoors Buffalo outdoors as well. But

1151
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: I like the elements being a part of it one

1152
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: form or another, and I don't think they've been. They

1153
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: were overwhelming in the games yesterday by any means, but

1154
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 1: I like that they're part of it today. It might

1155
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: be bigger parts of both games. Regarding my question on

1156
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: whether the College Football Championship Game is gets swallowed up,

1157
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: totally lost, and usually disinterested. If IU was not in

1158
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 1: it big ten in the story, I wouldn't tune in.

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 1: The CFP is drawn out for way too long. Then

1160
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: add in all the other issues with portal and timing,

1161
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: et cetera, and I was tapped out a while ago

1162
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: to follow much of it. Let's just get to the game,

1163
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 1: but earlier, please pre NFL playoffs two. That's Hugo guy.

1164
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with Hugo Guy. I don't know if

1165
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: there's a way to make that work on the calendar.

1166
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: But who's the the sec bobo who gets a lot

1167
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: of grief for his positions?

1168
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 2: Paul Finebaum, so we I alluded to.

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01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's a it's a it's a a name.

1170
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:39,120
Speaker 2: It's now going to escape me.

1171
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: Who does Who's very funny doing impressions of Joe exactly,

1172
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: thank you so much for helping me out. He did

1173
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: want a couple of weeks ago, pretending to be Fine

1174
01:11:54,360 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 1: Baumb basically mocking the Indiana called it a cute little story. Yeah,

1175
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: that's fine, they had their moment. But and he does

1176
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: his voice great. So what do I see overnight Fine

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01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: Baumb himself, according to awful announcing imitating the fake Fine

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01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 1: Baumb and calling it a cute little story that no

1179
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: one's gonna remember because of the timing. But my problem is,

1180
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: does Finebaum say that every year or is he saying

1181
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: it this year because he's gotten so much grief for

1182
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: dismissing the Indiana story in the Indiana run.

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01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: Instant replays Fool's Gold totally agree. Ideally, replay would be

1185
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: done at speed with available camera angles to look for

1186
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: obvious errors, slowing down the film and analyzing supruter style

1187
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 1: to see if there is a blade of grass between

1188
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: the foot and the sidelines as an endless rabbit hole

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01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 1: that's day from Bloomington. And yet the tech that's the

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01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,680
Speaker 1: rub because the technology in four K world is we

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01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: can we can slow this down to exactly see what

1192
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: the right call is. But it's a fair point by

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01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: Gene's territory that it's it's it actually works against the

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01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: the the officials in that it did. It can slowing

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01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 1: stuff down can actually deceive. It doesn't always illuminate, which

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01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: is a subject we might get it into with Kevin Seffert.

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Speaker 2: At at one point.

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Speaker 3: I saw something interesting on the the p I or

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Speaker 3: the potential interception catch. Yes, so this is from let's

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01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 3: say Mike Okay, he's quoting someone. He says, the replay

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01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 3: officials in New York and in the stadium, we're looking

1202
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,759
Speaker 3: at the play, looked at all the angles. They're confirming

1203
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 3: the call in the field was the ball was immediately

1204
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 3: loose when it hit the ground, and control was gained

1205
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 3: by the defender. Here's my point, hit the ground. The

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01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 3: ball hit the ground. It never hit the ground. Well

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01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 3: that's what they just said.

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01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, the ball. Yeah, that's it. That is interesting.

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01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's a close call.

1210
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: I think where they're going to be stuck now is

1211
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: a seeming inconsistency with that Aaron Rodgers reception, which sounds

1212
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: weird to say, but it was off of a.

1213
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 2: Batted ball. At the line of scrimmage.

1214
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: Maybe year five, with a new old line coach, koc

1215
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: will feel more confidence running on second and two versus

1216
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: dialing up a play action pass for a loss, causing

1217
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: a third and long and four down territory. It's not

1218
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,639
Speaker 1: illegal to run for a loss of one on second

1219
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: and two at the fifty.

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01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 2: What are you afraid of? Koc?

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01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,600
Speaker 1: I clearly stay irritated about him through the offseason. He says, parenthetically,

1222
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: this is from flim flam. I like watching Reiker boots

1223
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: sixty yard field goals as much as the next guy.

1224
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 1: But calling a cute game in short yardage, we're asking

1225
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: your linement to pass protect all game makes you the

1226
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: line look bad. Even if a line guy was terrible

1227
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 1: at his job, it's still a fall guy firing because

1228
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: of the optics and weird approach the run game.

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01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with any of that.

1230
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 1: I think he maybe this line coach needed.

1231
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 2: To be replaced.

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01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 1: I can't rule out that possibility, but it's hard to

1233
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 1: make that the thing at the top of my.

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01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 2: List when we've you know, we've talked.

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01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,759
Speaker 1: About this ad nauseum on this show going back years,

1236
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: but including this year, about the strange, unwilling stubbornness. Well,

1237
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: I'll say stubbornness about not running the ball in second

1238
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: and ten. The best coaches in this league, even with

1239
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: good passing games, are not afraid to run the ball

1240
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: on second and ten. They are not afraid to create

1241
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: a third and five. That's I think Ben Johnson's strength

1242
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 1: quite frankly, In fact, I think there's times he admits

1243
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: he's gotten He's got away from that too much to

1244
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: the detriment of his club. Now, when he's down eighteen

1245
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 1: points in the second half, obviously the running game has

1246
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: to lose something. But even then he still runs more

1247
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: than koc ever would in circumstances like that. Should be

1248
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: a this is Ryan in Boston. It should be a

1249
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: snow globe game here in Foxborough for the majority of

1250
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: the tilt your favorite playoff football aesthetic.

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01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:17,200
Speaker 2: Yes it is.

1252
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 1: It's twenty four years since the Tuck Rule game in

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01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 1: Foxborough which launched the Pats dynasty. Will another young quarterback

1254
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback follow suit? Well, we do know that we

1255
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,080
Speaker 1: wanted Drake May and that's one we can't say we

1256
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: didn't need him, because I think we made an honest

1257
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: effort to get him, and we just ultimately did not

1258
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: give enough for the Patriots to go our direction. But

1259
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:46,720
Speaker 1: it's fairly clear that we liked Dre May better than

1260
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy was to, which doesn't mean we don't like

1261
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. What would it be like if the National

1262
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: Championship was played that weekend before the super Bowl?

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01:16:59,160 --> 01:16:59,960
Speaker 2: It's an interesting point.

1264
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's a two week Do we still have

1265
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: the two week gap between the NFC, the the title

1266
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 1: Round next week and then Super Bowl?

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01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 2: I think we do. I believe so.

1268
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 1: So yeah, you could. You could make that argument for sure.

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01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: Here's a hockey observation. This is a this is is

1270
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,960
Speaker 1: this controversial six one two guy. I feel like Hughes

1271
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,599
Speaker 1: is taking away from Carell's puck handling in the offensive zone,

1272
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: yet it's made Carell more team oriented.

1273
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 2: Do you agree with any or all of that? I

1274
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 2: don't know.

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01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 3: I think you you got guys that can move the

1276
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,960
Speaker 3: puck down better that should make everyone better and not

1277
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 3: take away from someone. But the he does, he does

1278
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 3: have possession of the puck quite a bit, Quinn Hughes.

1279
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:42,560
Speaker 3: But that's what you trade him to get, you know

1280
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 3: what I mean?

1281
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't take that away from him, correct, or

1282
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: you're defeating the purpose of all you gave up to

1283
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: get him.

1284
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 2: Dan.

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01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 1: As you analyze the NFL playoffs, it's apparent the defensive

1286
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 1: style football is winning football. Trade KOC and promote flow.

1287
01:17:54,360 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: Bring in mcdanielis oc, let's go interesting. I guess proposal

1288
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hold your breath, my breath on it unlikely

1289
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: to happen. There's a lot of bflow steam in this

1290
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 1: town right now, and I think probably defense is dominating

1291
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 1: in the postseason at this point. Well notwithstanding for Green

1292
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: Bay that that might be part of the reason.

1293
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you didn't deserve that.

1294
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: You're you're ill, you're ailing, and I just it doesn't

1295
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:23,679
Speaker 1: seem right, doesn't I feel bad?

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01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 2: Not that for the yearly tradition?

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01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right? Where was I? Mahomes is still in

1298
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: the news when the Chiefs have no reason to be

1299
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:37,799
Speaker 1: in the news. What am I missing something on Patrick Mahomes?

1300
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 1: You'd look up Mahomes news see if I missed something

1301
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: on him. Dan, I agree with your PI thoughts for

1302
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: the most part, but I do believe the league is

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01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: complicit and rarely calling defensive PI throughout the season. This

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01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: leaves many with a legitimate beef belief that the offense

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01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 1: is heavily favored and that will never change. That's from

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01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: Oakdale guy. Part of the outrage rights Chris in last

1307
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 1: night's game was the series of calls that went against

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01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 1: the Bills and not employing the fix was in just

1309
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 1: saying the interception was a controversial call either way. It

1310
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: went than a tiki tak PI that ultimately didn't matter

1311
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: to the roughing passer, than the final PI, which definitely

1312
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: was PI to essentially seal the game. All this in

1313
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: a matter of minutes, so that I get that's human nature.

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01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: It's well over the course of a game. You like

1315
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 1: to think each side gets screwed a little bit by

1316
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 1: the officials and it tends to even out. You feel

1317
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 1: better if out there are a couple questionable calls. There

1318
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 1: are four questionables Buffalo got two and Denver got to

1319
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: and then you feel like that's more. Just can I

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01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: add this, by the way, what's the name of the

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01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, it's interesting.

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01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 1: I don't know any I have no idea what the

1324
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: reaction is in Buffalo because this was you could argue

1325
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be the year, right. His numbers are great,

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01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:00,839
Speaker 1: He's been a great quarterback, but he he's been unable

1327
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 1: to get to the big game, let alone win it.

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01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 1: And now, as we said earlier, all the other many

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01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: of the other quarterbacks who tended to get in the

1330
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:09,639
Speaker 1: way or make it tougher all out and they still

1331
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: didn't get there. So maybe there'll be some Buffalo fans

1332
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:17,440
Speaker 1: who can't get past that. But I will defy anybody

1333
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:24,440
Speaker 1: with a heart and any intensity to watch his postgame

1334
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: pressure and not feel like that kid gives a damn.

1335
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,599
Speaker 1: You know, he lives a good life. He's making you know,

1336
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 1: he's making money that you know, his family has set

1337
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 1: his children, grandchildren great.

1338
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's fine.

1339
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: But we talk all the time about the degree to

1340
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: which fans get invested more than they probably should in

1341
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: these games, and so you kind of look for that.

1342
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: You get worried sometimes are the players as invested.

1343
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 2: All the money they make?

1344
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,920
Speaker 1: Did they really care? Are they faken it? There was

1345
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: nothing fake. I don't think about the tears that Josh

1346
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: Allen showed after that game. He felt that, and so

1347
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,719
Speaker 1: I like to think if you're a Bills fan, you say,

1348
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 1: I want this to be our guy forever. Now, on

1349
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: the other hand, I know you get it. You want

1350
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: you're you want to break through. This was supposed to

1351
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 1: be the ear to break through, to break through he played.

1352
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 1: I don't mean this lets him off the hook for

1353
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: the mistakes he made, because he was very he was

1354
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 1: his mistakes were were significant in this game. Did he

1355
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: have four turnovers on it that he was responsible for?

1356
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 2: I believe so.

1357
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: I mean that's you got to be able to evaluate him.

1358
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 1: But for the people who say they don't care, players

1359
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: don't care, Why should I care?

1360
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 2: They don't care? You could see it.

1361
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:55,000
Speaker 1: Man, he felt the weight of his own performance in

1362
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 1: a way that I don't think can be faked.

1363
01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 2: I I was.

1364
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:02,800
Speaker 1: I was struck by that after the game, that no

1365
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 1: matter how much money he's made, whatever he he clearly

1366
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 1: is in this thing to win.

1367
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 2: And as it was, they almost pulled it off.

1368
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 1: And you could argue, if the call goes the other

1369
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,959
Speaker 1: way on the interception, they do pull it off. Despite

1370
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 1: was it minus four? Is it five to one on takeaways?

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01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's unheard of to be able to even

1372
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 1: be in a game like that, let alone to actually

1373
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 1: have a chance to win the thing.

1374
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 3: Do you put the controversial interception at all on Alan

1375
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,599
Speaker 3: for potentially underthrowing it?

1376
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: Do you think that's I'd have to look at it again.

1377
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 2: Was it badly underthrown?

1378
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,760
Speaker 3: I don't think of, but it was if he puts

1379
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 3: it out there, if it's a step or two more, yeah,

1380
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 3: well maybe that's the margins.

1381
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 1: Yeah it is, that's true. I guess I hadn't thought

1382
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 1: of it that way, but I have to look at

1383
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: it again. That's maybe maybe possible interference needs to be

1384
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 1: reviewable pettily, as it can result in the most severe game

1385
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 1: game changing penalty can be sixty or more yards. I

1386
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: know why the NFL didn't go to the college fifteen

1387
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: yard rule, but a penalty is game change is PI

1388
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: needs to be reviewable, and again at real speed, not

1389
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: slow mo. But then, but if you mean what you're

1390
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,320
Speaker 1: saying seven to sixty three, guy, you got to understand that.

1391
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 2: Is there any could there be a decree?

1392
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 1: Could there be an agreement among TV networks that when

1393
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: we show replay and allow our analysts to analyze whether

1394
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: good call or bad call, that we are never slowing

1395
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:38,559
Speaker 1: it down, that we're gonna if we're going to keep

1396
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: showing it to you two or three times, but we're

1397
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,680
Speaker 1: going to keep it at full speed every time we

1398
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: do it, I don't know.

1399
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 2: And I mean when I come back.

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01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 1: To sterotor would be when the people who review the

1401
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: plays in New York and in the booth whatever, when

1402
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: they review, do they go at full speed or because

1403
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 1: he's making it sound like, well, that's the problem. Once

1404
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: you slow it down, it looks like the receiver is

1405
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 1: has the ball for three seconds, he barely has.

1406
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 2: The ball at all.

1407
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: So how does how do the people who are involved

1408
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 1: in replay review, how do they measure that? How do

1409
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 1: they take that into consideration? This is all stuff we

1410
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,759
Speaker 1: can get into it a lot of depth with Seaffert.

1411
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: I'm hoping again on Tuesday because and by who knows,

1412
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 1: by then there might be ten other plays from the

1413
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 1: two games today. The one way to sort of render

1414
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: all that mood is what blow out your opponent. Not

1415
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about controversy in the Seattle San

1416
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: Francisco game was there. I mean, technically speaking, Seattle won

1417
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 1: the play and won the game. On the first play

1418
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 1: of the game kickoff or turn, touchdown, extra point. San

1419
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: Francisco fished with six points in this game. That's all

1420
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: they needed. And I was I disappointed because I just

1421
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 1: wanted to see a really good game. That's a great

1422
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,519
Speaker 1: atmosphere for football in Seattle, even when the clouds are low,

1423
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: and they look like they were very low yesterday.

1424
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:15,560
Speaker 2: But it was not to be.

1425
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,559
Speaker 1: I mean, that was just not even a contest at all.

1426
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: And I think more than anything else, obviously San fran

1427
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 1: had some key turnovers, but a couple of those takeaways

1428
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 1: were takeaways. Great defensive plays had something to do with

1429
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: most of those. And again, don't sleep on the Seattle defense.

1430
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: Donald's got to feel like, man, I'm sitting pretty here.

1431
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: Could I could he? Could he have done this if

1432
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:43,240
Speaker 1: he had stayed here, if they'd wanted him to stay

1433
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 1: here and they worked out a deal. Maybe, But the

1434
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 1: Seattle defense is even better than the Minnesota defense.

1435
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 2: And it's it's amazing.

1436
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 1: Think back Vikings with Donald went into that last game

1437
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 1: of the regular season last year with the number one

1438
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 1: seed at stake, the world is our oyster. We beat Detroit,

1439
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,720
Speaker 1: We're the number one seed. Everybody has to come through here.

1440
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: We lose, we go on the road. I think it

1441
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 1: was ended up playing the Rams game in Arizona. We

1442
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 1: lose that game. Donald's in the exact same position this year,

1443
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: end of the season, number one seed at stake against

1444
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: San Franz. They win, he gets the number one seed,

1445
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: and now he's won victory away from getting to the

1446
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 1: super Bowl.

1447
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 2: They have everything, and unfortunately we in this case have

1448
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing.

1449
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: Dan Minnesota, the counter argument is, why aren't those rules

1450
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 1: being applied consistently throughout the game?

1451
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 2: I call it then, but not earlier.

1452
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need the examples that Dan Minnesota is sighting,

1453
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 1: because I mean, I I watched the whole game. I

1454
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 1: now there was the one I don't even know it's consistent.

1455
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 1: I think you can say with the one call that

1456
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 1: could have gone in Denver's favor didn't. But I actually

1457
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 1: thought that was a good non call. I didn't look

1458
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: at well, there's a big change in the way they're

1459
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: calling it. I would argue there's a big change in

1460
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: the way defenders are defending it.

1461
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 2: On that last pass interference call.

1462
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: We always leave conveniently that out of the argument as

1463
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 1: being among the possibilities that the defenders aren't being consistent.

1464
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,680
Speaker 1: We always want to make it about whether the referees

1465
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: the officials are being consistent, and let's face it, there's

1466
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: a more at stake for the defenders to at that point.

1467
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,560
Speaker 1: If I don't this could be a touchdown if I

1468
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: don't stop this particular play. Now. In this case, it

1469
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 1: was moot because all you need is a field goal,

1470
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: and you have to know that if it gets called.

1471
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 1: See what you do is you just take a chance

1472
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 1: that they're going to let it go. And this case,

1473
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: the rest didn't let it go, and I don't think

1474
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: they should have let it go in any case. All

1475
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: the football action today will be on the fan. As

1476
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 1: I mentioned, tomorrow, Guardsy is on the West Coast with

1477
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 1: the Golden Golfer women's basketball team, So if Blakemore can

1478
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: make it one more day, he'll be with me tomorrow.

1479
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 1: Will keep the glass between us so I don't get reinfected,

1480
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: because I think I already had the crud that he

1481
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 1: has now apparently, so I hope you can hang in.

1482
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: We appreciate you hanging in today. Good text today, good

1483
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 1: interaction with the Rubes. Enjoy this lovely, lovely weather. And

1484
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 1: Johnny Krasinski, Johnny Athletic should join us tomorrow.

1485
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:24,160
Speaker 2: Maybe Ben Lieber and who knows what else.

1486
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: On tomorrow's Bumper to Bumper program. We will talk beginning

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01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 1: a three right here in the fan