1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: Oh, it's bad enough we had to do the week 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: without Dragon. 3 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 2: Now you're going to take two days off too. 4 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: What the hell am I going to do rest of 5 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: the week, same thing you do the other days of 6 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: the week. Not a damn thing. 7 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 3: Just call into radio programs and be obnoxious and make 8 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 3: fun of people. I can't have Thanksgiving off with my family, 9 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 3: not that the family wants me there. That may be 10 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 3: the real issue, but you know, I like to at 11 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 3: least show up and eat and then Friday. 12 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a fascinating time of year when the look. 13 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 3: I love Thanksgiving, probably my favorite holiday of all of them, 14 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: and because it's just more family orient somebody described Thanksgiving 15 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: as being great because it's the family time and the 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: loving time and all of that without all the pressure 17 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 3: of the gifts and the presence and everything else, without 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 3: the commercialization. 19 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: Other than oh my god, it's looks black Friday. Looks 20 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: a black Friday. 21 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 3: I want to talk about the Sedition six for a minute, 22 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: and I you know, truthfully, I shouldn't call them the 23 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 3: Seditious six because I don't believe that what they. 24 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: Did is sedition. 25 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 3: However, here's the butt now for those of you who 26 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 3: are knew the program. You know that I have a 27 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 3: rule that the really important stuff comes after the word butt. Honey, 28 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,639 Speaker 3: you look really great today. But or you know, Michael, 29 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: we think you're doing a really good job. But or Zach, 30 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 3: you know what, you're a really great producer. But you know, 31 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: it's it's everything that comes after the word but that 32 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 3: you have to pay attention to. I really don't think 33 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: that what they engaged in is sedition, as Donald Trump claimed, 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 3: But that does not mean that the Department of Justice 35 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 3: should not start a criminal investigation of those Democrat members 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: of Congress for a period in a video that was designed, 37 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 3: in my opinion, to undermine the military chain of command. 38 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: And despite what you may think about, oh, you know, 39 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 3: they do because they're trying to convince, you know, members 40 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 3: of the military. 41 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: To follow the law. 42 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: I know. 43 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: Then that tells me that you don't know what the 44 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 1: law is. You really don't. 45 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 3: Title eighteen of the United States Code, Section twenty three 46 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: eighty seven makes it illegal to advise, counsel or in 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: any manner caused in subordination or refusal of duty by 48 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 3: any member of the military. You can go look it up, 49 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: you know, on your Google machine or whatever. You use 50 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: type in eighteen the capital letters USC the word section 51 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: twenty three eighty seven, and it'll pull it up for you. 52 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 3: You can read it, and that if you engage in 53 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 3: that activity, you shall be be fined or imprisoned in 54 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: not more than ten years, and shall be ineligible for 55 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof. 56 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 3: Now a little history, just to put in perspective, Trump 57 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: on behalf of not just himself, but frankly on behalf 58 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 3: of all future presidents, cannot allow what happened during his 59 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: first term to happen again because that first term Trump 60 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 3: one point zero was completely sabotaged from within. James Comy 61 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,399 Speaker 3: is the director of the FBI, various elements of law enforcement, 62 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 3: the National security apparatus, the intelligence community. They conducted a 63 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: years long I want to emphasize this official government effort 64 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 3: to subvert the authority of the executive both as the 65 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 3: president and as the commander in chief of the armed forces. 66 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: They were acting within or acting they were acting within 67 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: their official titles, their official duties in trying to go 68 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: after the president, and so Trump cannot allow that to 69 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: happen again. We should be demanding that the deep state 70 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 3: stopped that it is within the power of the presidency 71 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 3: to make leaders of the self proclaimed resistance like these 72 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: six are to step back and rethink their tactics. Even 73 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: if they're members of Congress, I really don't care that 74 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: they're members of Congress. In fact, I would argue the 75 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 3: fact that they're members of Congress makes what they did 76 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 3: even worse than what people think they're serving. They're serving 77 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: members of the government in the Congress. Those those serving 78 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 3: members of the government in the Congress made that video 79 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 3: directing their comments at the active duty military, and active 80 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: duty military includes everybody from the E one privates all 81 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 3: the way up to admirals or generals, and they referenced 82 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: this administration that was the subject of their so called 83 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: advice and council. Now I use the terms advice in 84 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 3: council because that is what is prohibited by federal statute. Again, 85 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: Title eighteen, Section two twenty three eighty seven makes it 86 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 3: illegal to advise counsel or in any manner cause in subordination, 87 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 3: in any manner cause in subordination or refusal duty by 88 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 3: any member of the military. That's the bottom line from 89 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 3: which we stop. So I think it's incumbent upon the 90 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: Attorney General to facilitate an investigation that might Sunday lead 91 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: to that question being asked and then answered by twelve jurors. 92 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: Did they engage in that illegal activity? The members that 93 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: appeared in that video actually cited their official positions. They 94 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: even referred to their past military service. And why would 95 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: they do that? Would I tell a story about something 96 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 3: that's going on inside. I will often remind you that 97 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 3: I served as the under Secretary of Homeland Security, had 98 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: all of the clearances you could possibly imagine top secret 99 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: Special Compartmentalized Information TSSCII had a Q clearance with the 100 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: Department of Energy because I worked with the National Nuclear 101 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 3: Security Administration on all of our nuclear efforts. I had 102 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 3: all those clearances, had unfettered access to the White House. 103 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 3: And so I say that to give legitimacy to what 104 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 3: I'm describing about what goes on inside the Beltway. So 105 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 3: that is exactly what these members of Congress were doing too. Hey, look, 106 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: number one, we're either a member of Congress, House or 107 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 3: remember the Senate. And then they went on to describe 108 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: all of their past military service or their past service 109 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,679 Speaker 3: in the intel community, and they were doing so because 110 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: that's what you do when you're trying to appeal to authority. Well, 111 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 3: by doing that, they've invited an inquiry into their conduct. 112 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: I want to make clear about something. 113 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: What they did in making that video was not done 114 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 3: on the floor of either the House or the Senate. 115 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: And why is that important? 116 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: Because if they had said exactly the same thing on 117 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: the House or the Senate floor, that would be protected 118 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,679 Speaker 3: speech under the Speech and Debate Clause of the United 119 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: States Constitution. You can go if you're a member of Congress, 120 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: you can go on to the floor of the House. 121 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: You can go on to the floor of the Senate, 122 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 3: and you can just ramble on about anything. You can 123 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,559 Speaker 3: attack people, you can lie if you want to. Gosh, 124 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: imagine that a member of Congress lying about something. You 125 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 3: can go on and you can lie, and you'll cheat 126 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 3: steel and everything else. But whatever you're saying when you're 127 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: on the floor of the House and the Senate is 128 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 3: protected from the Speech and Debate clause. And the founders 129 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 3: put that in there because they want to members of 130 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: Congress to have the right to have unfettered debate without 131 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: worrying about getting sued for by you know, for life. 132 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 3: Bible and slander by some yahoo out there who's offended 133 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 3: by whatever they might say. So I think that every 134 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: single member of this that's in this video ought to 135 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: be subject to an investigation, and that investigation ought together 136 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: every piece of evidence they can about how did they 137 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 3: make the decision to make the video, who made the video, 138 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: who produced the video, how did they broadcast the video, 139 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 3: What are all the communications about everybody involved in that 140 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: in doing that? What were the different versions of the script. 141 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: Do you have an uncut version of the video, because 142 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: every person made their own video, like Jason Crow made 143 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: his own video, and then I'm gonna surmise here so 144 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: on to emphasize, I'm surmising that he made his own 145 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 3: video in his office at home wherever he might have been, 146 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: and he read whatever script somebody given him or that 147 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 3: he wrote, and then he submitted that to who because 148 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: somebody had to splice it, edited and put it together. 149 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: I want to know who that is. I want who 150 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: wrote the scripts. I want to see the uncut video 151 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 3: of every participant, whether it was included in the final 152 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: version or not. I want to see the outtakes. How 153 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 3: many times did he have to try to say it 154 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 3: the right way. I want the production records. I want 155 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 3: to know who funded them, because it takes money to 156 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: do what they did. Every participant, not just those six, 157 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 3: but every participant that was involved in all of this 158 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: video needs to be put under oath before a grand jury, 159 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: except those six. Those six should not, and they should 160 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 3: not because if you're a target of a criminal investigation, 161 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 3: then you cannot issue a subpoena against them, and you 162 00:09:54,679 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 3: should not issue a subpoena against a target. The reason 163 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 3: is because if you're the target of a criminal investigation 164 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: under the Miranda ruling and under the Fifth Amendment, you 165 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: have the right to remain silent. You don't have to 166 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 3: testify against yourself. But everybody else involved in the putting 167 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: together that video needs to be had their butts hauled 168 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 3: before a grand jury to find out everything that took place. Now, 169 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: then you have the question of whether their words in 170 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 3: that were probable cause that are crimes being committed under 171 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: Section twenty three eighty seven or maybe something else. 172 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: Well, that's a question for the. 173 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: Grand jurors, and the facts need to be presented to 174 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 3: the grand jury and let them decide whether or not 175 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 3: they violated Title eighteen, Section twenty three eighty seven. All 176 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 3: six of these yahoos gave their voices to a single video, 177 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: and the first question ought to be whether the six 178 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: discussed the video among themselves and whether they share with 179 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 3: each other their intention about what they were going to say. 180 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: Why do I say that, because that would be the 181 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: basis for a conspiracy investigation. And the venue for a 182 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: conspiracy investigation could be any district where any one of 183 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: those six was present when the conspiracy was formed, or 184 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,119 Speaker 3: in any federal district with where the act in furtherance 185 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: of the conspiracy took place. So you have, for example, 186 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: Mark Kelly, the Senator from Arizona, the Least Slopkin, the 187 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 3: Senator from Michigan, Chrissy Hulahan, the congresswoman from eastern Pennsylvania, 188 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 3: Christ Luzio, the congresswoman or congressman from a western Pennsylvania, 189 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 3: Maggie Goodland or the congresswoman from New Hampshire, and of 190 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 3: course Jason Crowe, the congressman from Colorado. So you have 191 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 3: all of those choices of where you might bring a 192 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: criminal charge. 193 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: Then you have, in. 194 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: Addition to that, all the people that were involved in 195 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 3: the production, the editing, and the distribution of the video 196 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: who might have been a part of the conspiracy, then 197 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: you could do that. 198 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: So you have a. 199 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: Wide range of places where you could bring an indictment 200 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: if you wanted to. Now the reason I say that 201 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: if this were done on the floor of the House, 202 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: it would be protected by the Speech and Debate clause. 203 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: But I think if they. 204 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 3: Tried to challenge their indictment on First Amendment grounds, they 205 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 3: would lose because the basis of the language of Section 206 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: twenty three eighty seven is identical I mean literally identical 207 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: to broad language found in the Espionage Act of nineteen seventeen, 208 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 3: and the Supreme Court decisions regarding convictions under the Espionage 209 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: Act had been upheld by the Supreme Court against challenges 210 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 3: based on the First Amendment. You thought about or do 211 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: you know what the Espionage Act says? The Espionage Act 212 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: in parts says this, it shall be illegal to willfully 213 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: make or convey false statements or false reports with the 214 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: intent to interfere with the operation or the success of 215 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 3: the military or naval forces of the United States, or 216 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 3: to promote the success of its enemies, or to willfully 217 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: cause or attempt to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny or refusal 218 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 3: of duty in the military or naval force of the 219 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: United States, or shall wilfully obstruct the recruiting or listenment 220 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 3: service of the United States to the injury of the 221 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 3: service of the United States. In nineteen nineteen, the US 222 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 3: Supreme Court upheld that language against the First Amendment challenge. 223 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: And you know what that case was. For those of 224 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 3: you listened to me over the decades, I've talked about 225 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 3: Shank versus United States, because that's the case where Justice 226 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 3: Oliver Wendell Holmes used the much maligned analogy about shouting 227 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 3: fire in a crowded theater. That case, the Shank case 228 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 3: introduced the concept that speech that creates a clear and 229 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 3: present danger to public safety does not enjoy protections of 230 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 3: the First Amendment. It was later It was later dealt 231 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 3: with in another case, Brandenburg versus Ohio in nineteen sixty nine, 232 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 3: by requiring that the speech at issue must tend to 233 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 3: incite imminent lawless action but still not protected by the 234 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 3: First Amendment. It just refined what it meant. The language 235 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 3: of the Espionage Act is word for word, as I said, 236 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: identical to section in twenty three eighty seven. So as 237 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 3: of this year within the context of the relationship between 238 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 3: military personnel and their including the commander in chief. There 239 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: is no basis in the case law to disregard these 240 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: Supreme Court cases. They are still good law until the 241 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 3: Supreme Court says otherwise. Now I know that Trump made 242 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 3: the comment about sedition, and that term gets tossed around 243 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: a lot on social media and commentators and everybody else. 244 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 3: Sedition is not the right word. Trump was wrong about that, 245 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: and Trump should not have said what he said because 246 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: sedition involves overthrowing the government by force. The only Title 247 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 3: eighteen criminal statute that refers to sedition is the statute 248 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: that makes it a criminal act to engage in seditious 249 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 3: conspiracy that was passed by Congress at the time of 250 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 3: the Civil War. And the statute that that is sedition 251 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 3: does not require an actual act of sedition. It only 252 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: requires an agreement by two or more people to engage 253 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: in sedition. In sedition, that's why you get seditious conspiracy. 254 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 3: So that's that you provided President Lincoln with a legal 255 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: basis to jail the Southern sympathizers in the Union States 256 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 3: who were working to undermine the Union's war effort. These 257 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: six were not engaged in sedition, let me make that clear. 258 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: But they were engaged in something that clearly could be 259 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: within Section twenty three eighty seven to Title eighteen, which 260 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: says that words words which are designed to create discord 261 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 3: within the military are unlawful. 262 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: Now ask yourself, what were they doing here? 263 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: Because we have example after example after example, including from 264 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 3: Jason Crow here in Colorado. 265 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: Would you cite for us. 266 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 3: Exactly what unlawful orders you are trying to tell people 267 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 3: they should not follow, because they couldn't give any example. No, 268 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: but not one of them gave one example of what 269 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 3: they thought. They didn't even cite blowing up the drug 270 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 3: running votes coming out of Venezuela, because clearly the president 271 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 3: has the authority to do that. You know, we've declared 272 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 3: war what five times, the most recent being World War Two, 273 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 3: and then we get the War Powers Act, which allows 274 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: the president, permits and actually demands the president take action 275 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 3: to protect the national security interests in the United States. 276 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 3: Somethings you think you wouldn't need a law for, but 277 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 3: because of the War Powers Act, we do so. When 278 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 3: the president does things that are in lawful protection of 279 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: our national security, blowing up drug runners coming out of 280 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: a transnational cartel that's been deemed a terrorist organization. He 281 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 3: has the right to blow them out of the water, 282 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 3: just like he had the right to blow up the 283 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 3: Ranian nuclear sites. 284 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: Nobody. 285 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 3: So when you ask these six what is it that 286 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: you're trying to get people to disobey? There's no example, 287 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 3: which then begs the question, what were you really trying 288 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: to accomplish? 289 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: For service people? But why are we pushy footing around things? 290 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: We know what they were trying to do. We just 291 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 2: have to prove that it wasn't something else. Right, So 292 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: let's just put it online that they were trying to 293 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: subvert the president's authority. 294 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: And then see how that holds up. You know, I 295 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: have a great weekend. 296 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: Because I'm I'm not trying to push your foot around. 297 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: What I'm trying to do is to give you the 298 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 3: legal basis upon which I think there should be an 299 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 3: investigation and then take it to a grand jury and 300 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: let the grand jury look at the facts as developed 301 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 3: through an investigation. I mean, I'm actually trying to vote 302 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 3: do process here because I do think, as I think 303 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 3: you must have, that that's precisely what they were doing. 304 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 3: They were trying to undermine the authority of the president 305 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 3: as the commander in chief. They were trying to get, 306 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 3: you know, young recruits that as I would describe them 307 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 3: this way, you know, grunts that have come from inner 308 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 3: city or elsewhere. It doesn't make any difference. But they're undisciplined. 309 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 3: They're not accustomed to authority. They have been and maybe 310 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 3: they you know, as maybe it was an alternative they 311 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 3: joined the military to you know, avoid jail time or something. 312 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 3: Who knows, and who knows whether the military would take 313 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: them or not. But people who have been absolutely undisciplined 314 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 3: throughout their lifetime and now they're grunts, and they've got 315 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 3: a really hard nosed drill sergeant who's putting them through 316 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 3: basic training. And then they hear these you know, like 317 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 3: Mark Kelly, he's an astronaut. Wow, he's a United States 318 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 3: Center and an astronaut married to a former congresswoman that 319 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 3: got shot by a nutjob. Why he's telling me that, 320 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: you know this, this sergeant's telling me to do things 321 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: I think are wrong, and I should challenge my sergeant. Boom, 322 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 3: here comes a court martial, and then here comes the 323 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 3: dishonorable discharge. It is it was designed particularly when I 324 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 3: would have an excluse. I would have a completely different 325 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 3: argument if Jason Crowe or any of them had stepped 326 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: forward and said, we believe that the following one, two, three, four, five, 327 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 3: I don't care, but at least give me one example 328 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 3: of what you believe the president's doing that is an 329 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 3: unlawful order. Now, on earlier programs, I went through the 330 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 3: entire process about what it takes to deal with what 331 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 3: you believe to be if you're a member of the military, 332 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: an unlawful order. And it's not just as simple as saying, oh, 333 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 3: I think this is unlawful. 334 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm going to follow that. 335 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. You've got to have a lot 336 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 3: more than that. It's got to be and it's got 337 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: to include, among other things, an imminent an eminent problem 338 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 3: for you to follow that law, Like your your commander 339 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 3: tells you that you've got to go shoot these civilians 340 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 3: where we're taking over a village and we once you 341 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 3: go in and wipe out all the civilians, just wipe 342 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 3: them out. Clearly an unlawful order that's imminent. You're you're 343 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: in the area of operations, you're in the combat zone, 344 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 3: and you're being told right then, Yeah, under that kind 345 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: of scenario, you can refuse that order. But if you're 346 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 3: in you know, hey, listen, guys, we're going to deploy, 347 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 3: and we're going to deploy, you know, in ninety days, 348 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 3: and we're going to be training to do this, and 349 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 3: we want you when you get there, we want you 350 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: to go kill civilians. Now, you have to go through 351 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 3: a process that's outlined in the Uniform Code of Military Justice. 352 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: And it's not just like I'm gonna file a complaint. 353 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 3: I'm gonna file you know, I'm gonna put something in 354 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 3: a suggestion box. It's more than that. So, yes, what 355 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 3: they were doing here was I believe absolutely in violation 356 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 3: of Title eighteen, Section twenty three eighty seven. Remember what 357 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 3: that says that I am going to repeat it. Whoever 358 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 3: with intent to interfere with, impair or influence the loyalty, 359 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 3: that influenced the morale, or influence the discipline of the 360 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 3: military or naval force of the United States, who advises, counsels, urges, 361 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 3: or in any manner, causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, 362 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 3: or refusal of duty by any member of the military, 363 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 3: and naval forces, or who distributes or attempts to distribute 364 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 3: any ridden or printed material or video which advises councils 365 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 3: or urges in subordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty 366 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 3: by any member blah blah blah, shall be fined under 367 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 3: this title or in prison not more than ten years, 368 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 3: or both, and then becomes ineligible for employment by the 369 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 3: United States or any department agency thereof. That's besides what 370 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 3: they were doing. But that may be my opinion. But 371 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: I want to see it taken. I want to see 372 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 3: the evidence developed about everything I described. Who came up 373 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 3: with the idea? Low is the intent? What does the 374 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 3: evidence show about what your intent was? What did you 375 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 3: what did the script say, how did you alter the scripts? 376 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 3: What are the outtakes? What did you say that you 377 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: didn't put in the video? How many who put this together? 378 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 3: Who funded this for you? Who put it together, who 379 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: did the distribution? Who did all of that? Because then 380 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 3: that gets to a conspiracy, a conspiracy to violate Section 381 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 3: twenty three eighty seven. Now, the determination based on the 382 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 3: development of the facts about whether or not they violated 383 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 3: Section twenty three eighty seven should be taken before a 384 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 3: grand jury. All of the people I've described other than 385 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 3: the six members of Congress should be subpoenaed to testify 386 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 3: before the grand jury about what they were engaged in. 387 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 3: The six cannot and should not be brought before the 388 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 3: grand jury because they are the target of the grand 389 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 3: jury and they have a right to remain silent. So 390 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 3: don't waste your time issuing a subpoena there. Then let 391 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 3: that grand jury make the decision based upon the evidence 392 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 3: developed by the Department of Justice, by the Inspector General 393 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: of the Department of Defense, the Department of War, and 394 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 3: by the FBI. Let them take all of that evidence 395 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: presented to the grand jury and see where it falls out. 396 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 3: I don't think they ought to just skip over this. 397 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 3: This was a serious violation in my opinion, of section 398 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 3: twenty three eighty seven. They were trying to affect the 399 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 3: armed forces generally. And in fact, if you actually look 400 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 3: if you opened a law book, if you opened up 401 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: a statute book and looked up title eighteen, section twenty 402 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: three eighty seven, the title of of that section is 403 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 3: activities affecting affecting armed forces generally, That's what they were doing. 404 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 3: They're just precisely what they were doing, but nobody. Everybody's like, 405 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 3: oh but Michael, that's that's pretty serious. Damn right, it serious, 406 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: which is why I wanted to investigate it, and why 407 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,239 Speaker 3: I want to take them before a grand jury, so 408 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: a grand jury can make their own independent judgment about 409 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 3: whether they agree with me or disagree with me. Look, 410 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: they may disagree with me and say, look, we're not 411 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 3: going to return an indictment. They might debate it for 412 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 3: weeks or months trying to decide whether or not to 413 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 3: return an indictment. But to just let them get by 414 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 3: with this without any accountability whatsoever, by at least having 415 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 3: an investigation to find out would you like to know 416 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 3: the who, will, where, when. 417 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: And why? 418 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 3: The five w's of how this all came together? Do 419 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 3: you think they were all just having coffee one day 420 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 3: or do you think they you know, they just simultaneously 421 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: simultaneous combustion of an id that. Oh, let's make a video, guys, 422 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 3: let's make a let's make a little TikTok video. Jason, 423 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 3: you go say something, and you know, at least a 424 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: you go say something, and you know, Mark you go 425 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 3: say something, and then we'll have to you know, have 426 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: one the staffers, you know, spice it up, ed it 427 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: and put it together. No, this was a coordinated effort, 428 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: very well produced, very good production values, all designed to 429 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 3: affect the activities the armed forces generally, which is a 430 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 3: violation twenty three eighty seven. It is not sedition. I 431 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 3: want to emphasize that, and I think Trump was wrong. 432 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 3: And for people on the text line who claim that, 433 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 3: let's see something about Trump is the one that's engaged 434 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 3: in sedition, really because when you look up sedition, which 435 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 3: my guess is you have not done. 436 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: Uh, sedition is. 437 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 3: Is more than a president doing something that you don't 438 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 3: like or having policies that you don't like. Under Title eighteen, 439 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 3: Section twenty three eighty four, which is the seditious conspiracy, 440 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: at least two organized groups were charged in connection with 441 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 3: the January sixth. Trump was not charged with that, and 442 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 3: in terms of insurrection or rebellion, no one was charged 443 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 3: with insurrection or rebellion. To get a conviction under twenty 444 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 3: three eighty three for insurrection or rebellion, it must be 445 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 3: proven that the defendant intentionally did at least one of 446 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 3: the following incited sets on foot, assists, or engage in 447 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 3: a rebellion or insurrection, or gives aid or comfort to 448 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 3: such rebellion or insurrection. You should note the fact that 449 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 3: nobody was charged with the violation of that statute. And 450 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 3: I don't think that the six engaged in seditious conspiracy. 451 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: I think they You know, if you want to overcharge 452 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: them and include sedition, I think you're going to lose. 453 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 3: But if you focus solely on activities designed to affect 454 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 3: the morale and the activities and the cohesion and everything 455 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 3: of the US military, they clearly did that. And the 456 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 3: mitigating factor that is absent in this story is any 457 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 3: example of an unlawful order. In fact, I would challenge 458 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 3: you if you think that Trump has issued unlawful orders, 459 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 3: then three three one zero three keyword micro Michael, and 460 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 3: inside for me, where in the statute whatever he's done 461 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 3: is an unlawful order? 462 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: Oh? In company video? 463 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 4: Is that is their version of the UH military No 464 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 4: King's March. They're just trying to see if they can 465 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 4: get them to to swing their way for when it's needed. 466 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: L Like what mm, yeah, I'm just reading. I'm looking 467 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: through the text messages. You guys are kind of funny. 468 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 3: Not all of you, some of you are like, really, 469 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 3: let's see, let's take this one. 470 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: Where did it go? 471 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 3: Guber number sixty five four nine, Michael, you have the 472 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 3: nerve to talk about the video of the States. What 473 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 3: is actually in the law when Trump is behind the 474 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 3: big lie and the conspiracy I refreshed and the big 475 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 3: lie in conspiracy that encourage the right of January sixth. 476 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding, do you? All? 477 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: You conservatives have amnesia towers with selective memory. M the 478 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 3: big lie and the conspiracy that encouraged the right of 479 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: January sixth. I like to know where you're getting your information. 480 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 3: Trump did not engage in a conspiracy to do that. 481 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 3: He didn't organize it, He wasn't a part of it. 482 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 3: He actually came out and said, hey, don't do this. 483 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 3: He said, let's go march peacefully down to the White 484 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: to the Capitol. And in fact, there was a group 485 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 3: that he was speaking to that had an actual lawful 486 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 3: permit to protest on the northeast parking lot of the 487 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 3: United States Capital. 488 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: It was. 489 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 3: Let's see Aliac bar who used to work for the 490 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 3: Bush White House and what's his name from info Wars. 491 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 3: They had the permit to do that, and in some 492 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: my points. You know, hey, what you're describing as sedition 493 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 3: actually sounds a lot like Ray Epps. 494 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of does, doesn't it. 495 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: Or this one, Michael, The Uniform Code of Code of 496 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 3: Military Justice does define the behavior Mark Kelly did as sedition. 497 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: I disagree with you. I don't think it does. 498 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 3: Sedition actually involves more than what you think sedition involves in. 499 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: Under the actual statute Title eighteen, this is me section 500 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 3: twenty three eighty four, two or more individuals conspiring to overthrow, destroy, 501 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 3: or levy war against the US government by force, or 502 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 3: to oppose its authority or obstruct its laws. The Uniform 503 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 3: Code of Military Justice, in much the same language, requires 504 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 3: overt acts of actually overthrowing, of engaging in acts that 505 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 3: overthrow things that Now, there were some defendants charged with 506 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 3: sedition on the January sixth. I think maybe there were 507 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 3: six of them. I don't remember what the exact number was. 508 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 3: But to claim that Trump engaged in those activities, or 509 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 3: to claim that the UCMJ covers what Mark Kelly did, 510 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 3: I think you're missing the nuance between Section twenty three 511 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 3: eighty seven and Title ninety four of the UCMJ, because 512 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 3: one is you are affecting, which is what they did. 513 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 3: And the UCMJ requires overt acts that result in an 514 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 3: actual overthrow, and you don't have that in this case. 515 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 3: Then there's another text which I find there's maybe some 516 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: little arrangement syndrome going on, and that is, oh, what 517 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 3: about all the remodeling of the White House? What about 518 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 3: the sixteen other presidents that have remodeled the White House? 519 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 3: You ever thought about those sixteen