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Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen and Saturday Midday beautiful.

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Speaker 1: So far, at least Saturday morning. Oh so much going

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Speaker 1: on on the local level. The big story is the

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Speaker 1: much anticipated report on the performance of CPD Police Chief

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Speaker 1: Teresa Thiji. Came out this week. By the way, at

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Speaker 1: ten o'clock. Gonna have Russ and Mike Neville, her brothers,

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Speaker 1: both former law enforcement alsters, in the studio. Again, that's

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Speaker 1: at ten o'clock basically, and I read it. It's nine pages.

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Speaker 1: It's an easy read. It's not worth the paper it's

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Speaker 1: written on, but it's an easy read. Basically. The thing

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Speaker 1: alleges that she was not an effective leader, and they

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Speaker 1: seem to want to make a big deal out of

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Speaker 1: the fact that she's and I'm quoting the report here

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Speaker 1: old school. I'll tell you what I think. In a

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Speaker 1: lot of things in law enforcement, probably one of the

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Speaker 1: main ones, we kind of need a little bit more

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Speaker 1: old school, in my humble opinion. Also, in a report

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Speaker 1: on the first page, they say she's rigid and authoritarian

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Speaker 1: and does not adapt to and I'm quoting current work

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Speaker 1: culture expectations close quote whatever the heck that means. I

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Speaker 1: mean I'm looking at it, I'm thinking, hm, work culture expectations.

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Speaker 1: Who knows what the liberal city administration and council mean

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Speaker 1: by that? Well, anyway, that they didn't say that, it

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Speaker 1: is in the report, but I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: hell they're trying to say there. And they also allege

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Speaker 1: that she doesn't communicate with CPS staff under her blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Stuff like that for nine pages

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Speaker 1: and this report and so called investigation, and I use

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Speaker 1: that with quotation marks. It didn't give her a chance

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Speaker 1: to rebut the specific allegations, which there's not many specific

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Speaker 1: allegations of the apparently thirty two people who were interviewed,

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of basic, isn't it. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're going to do something like this, give the person

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Speaker 1: who is the target of the investigation a chance to

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Speaker 1: answer those charges. Are those allegations?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: She did, She did talk to the two lawyers investigating it,

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Speaker 1: but was not able to cross examine, if you will,

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Speaker 1: them about anything that anyone else said. And that's just

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Speaker 1: not fair. I mean, it would never stand up in

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Speaker 1: a court of law, and we're not in a court

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Speaker 1: of law yet. I think that's where it's going to

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Speaker 1: end up but give her a chance to answer the

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Speaker 1: specific allegations. But too late for that. So in my

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Speaker 1: opinion at least, and from boy what I've heard this week,

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Speaker 1: a lot of other people's opinion, this so called report

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Speaker 1: is not worth the paper it's written on. You know,

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Speaker 1: the report alleges that there is a strong culture of

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Speaker 1: retaliation in CPD, but it doesn't give any alleged retaliatory

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Speaker 1: incidents at all. Specific It's just a bald faced, you know,

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Speaker 1: allegation with nothing within the nine pages of the report

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Speaker 1: to back it up. You know, the report, the nine

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Speaker 1: page report. It's not that it's short on specifics, it's

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Speaker 1: devoid of specifics. In my opinion, you know, it might

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Speaker 1: be the lawyer in me like I said, but I

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Speaker 1: don't give any credence to a investigation, slash report whatever,

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Speaker 1: that does not give the subject of the report, Chief

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Speaker 1: Fiji a chance to Rebut what this report says the

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Speaker 1: specific allegations, So I think that's a major flaw in it.

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Speaker 1: Tell you something. There was an op ed piece in

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Inquirer, I believe it was on Wednesday, what

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Speaker 1: we used to call letters to the editor, but by

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Speaker 1: a man named Dennis Doyle. I don't know mister Doyle.

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Speaker 1: He's listed as a member of the Inquirer Board of contributors.

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Speaker 1: I think the Inquirer has some people that they call

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Speaker 1: on to give these opinions, and this guy hit the

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Speaker 1: nail on the head. He spot on. And I just

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Speaker 1: want to read a little bit from his letter to

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Speaker 1: nails it. Anyway. This is mister Doyle for those of

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Speaker 1: us outside of Cincinnati City administration and Police Department. The

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Speaker 1: recently released investigative summary, which he has in quotation marks

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Speaker 1: finding document and more like a carefully curated narrative. And

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Speaker 1: he's right about that. What stands out is not what

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Speaker 1: the report proves, but what it avoids. No identified witnesses,

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Speaker 1: I think he's spot on anyway. It goes on to

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Speaker 1: say mister Doyle's op ed piece, notably, the report's single

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Speaker 1: acknowledgment of competence and that is that the chief ran

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Speaker 1: the administrative side of the apartment. Well, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: just let me put my two cents in there. The

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Speaker 1: and the city does admit that she did apparently did that. Well, anyway,

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Speaker 1: a predetermined conclusion. And again, my two cents worth, it

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Speaker 1: was a predetermined conclusion. Mister Doyle goes on to say,

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Speaker 1: the report was built around it. One more sentence on

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Speaker 1: this one. It also raises an obvious question, and boy,

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Speaker 1: he's right about this obvious question. Report never addresses. If

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Speaker 1: Fiji was this irredeemably flawed, why did the same city

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Speaker 1: administration that now wants to remove her hire her in

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Speaker 1: the first place. That's a very very good question. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I believe it was in Wednesdays and require if you're interested,

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Speaker 1: you got to check it out because it's it's really good,

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Speaker 1: you know. Like I said, it was spot on on that.

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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. You can't have a meaningful discussion

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Speaker 1: of this issue without talking about issue five. And I

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Speaker 1: know you've heard me talking about it for the last

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Speaker 1: three or four years, but this thing, you've got to

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Speaker 1: talk about Issue five in twenty one because it relates

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Speaker 1: to this issue. Just a little history. Twenty one twenty one,

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Speaker 1: we had Cincinnati City Issue five. It was an issue

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Speaker 1: to amend the city charter. And boy, i'll tell you what,

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Speaker 1: it was a battle. There were people that were for

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Speaker 1: it and people that were against it. It won. It

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Speaker 1: passed by a vote of fifty two percent to forty

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Speaker 1: eight percent, razor thin, and we're paying for it now again.

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Speaker 1: Charter amendment that changed the city charter. It granted the

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Speaker 1: city manager. And this isn't in there, but when you

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Speaker 1: say city manager during this council, you're talking about the mayor.

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Speaker 1: But it granted the city manager and the mayor the

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Speaker 1: and boy, that was a big, big tool for the chief.

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Speaker 1: It made sure that he or she was not bound

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Speaker 1: by the political whims of city council, the manager, and

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Speaker 1: the mayor. Believe me, I went through this. It all

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Speaker 1: rose from the civil unrest, if you will, meaning riots

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Speaker 1: following the shooting of Timothy Thomas. All it accomplished the

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Speaker 1: passage of Issue five was to politicize the chief's position

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Speaker 1: chief as well. Anyone back in twenty oh one who

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Speaker 1: with the scapegoating of Chief Fiji, completely validates that, completely

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Speaker 1: validates that. You know, I no longer live in the city,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know about it, but I, you know,

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Speaker 1: participate in downtown a lot of things. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go stop going down there. I

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Speaker 1: don't want them to win. But at any rate, I

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Speaker 1: don't know about you, but I don't want the city

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Speaker 1: I want the chief running it. And again, you know,

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Speaker 1: you might say, well, you're living in the past. I

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Speaker 1: don't care when the past is better, you know, I

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Speaker 1: will at least think about living in it. I guess.

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Speaker 1: So it was a disaster. It took quite a few

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Speaker 1: point it was going to happen. Cincinnati got lucky with

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Speaker 1: most of their choices for police chief. After Issue five

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Speaker 1: was passed, we had a great one, absolutely great one

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Speaker 1: in the police chief Blackwell. I believe anyway, fifty two

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Speaker 1: to forty eight and twenty oh to one close. But

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Speaker 1: you have to be realistic. If you wanted to do this,

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Speaker 1: it would really be an uphill struggle. It really would

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Speaker 1: because you know, you know, the powers that be would

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Speaker 1: circle the wagons to make sure it doesn't pass. Take

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Speaker 1: a lot of signatures to get it on the ballot,

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Speaker 1: would take a lot of money to run a credible

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: The other side would be loaded with dough. You know,

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Speaker 1: all the special interests would come out of the woodwork,

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Speaker 1: as I said, and all the usual suspects would be

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Speaker 1: lined up to oppose it. I think one thing that

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Speaker 1: can be done is some polling to actually see if

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Speaker 1: it's doable. Polling is not cheap, but and you have

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Speaker 1: doing it. But I'd be interested in seeing it. But

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Speaker 1: this city now in the year twenty twenty six, is very,

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Speaker 1: very different than it was back in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: see some polling on it. Here's the bottom line, at

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Speaker 1: least in my humble opinion, you get what you pay for.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Issue five again in two thousand and one,

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Speaker 1: we're getting what we paid for. We now have a

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Speaker 1: fully politicized police department, and that's a shame. Wanted to

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Speaker 1: correct something I said. I meant Police Chief James Craig,

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Speaker 1: who was the first one to be hired under this system.

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Speaker 1: I think he was one of the best police chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Not Blackwell, I made a mistake there, but Chief Craig,

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Speaker 1: of sad too. I mean, I forget where he went

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Speaker 1: after Cincinnati, but he was all set to run for

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Speaker 1: the Senate in Michigan. He's from Michigan, and you know

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Speaker 1: I sent him a little bit of money. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think the guy's great, but what happened was and

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Speaker 1: this has got nothing to do with it, but you

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Speaker 1: don't want to tell you. What happened was the Michigan

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Speaker 1: Republican Party did not get enough signatures to get Chief

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Speaker 1: Craig on the ballot, and boy, what I screw up

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Speaker 1: that is anyway, I think he was a great police chief.

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Speaker 1: I think again, the coppers that were around then would

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Speaker 1: agree with that. But here's why I think it's going

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Speaker 1: to play out. She will be unjustly fired. I think

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Speaker 1: that will happen soon. I think it will happen soon.

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Speaker 1: I hope not. I want her to continue in her

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Speaker 1: to her family members, that's what she wants as well.

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Speaker 1: But I'm afraid that's not going to happen. So she

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Speaker 1: and her attorney, Steve Im, will immediately file suit, and

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Speaker 1: the city, undoubtedly, as they always do, they'll settle for

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Speaker 1: millions of bucks, by the way, in the middle of

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Speaker 1: a projected thirty million dollar budget deficit. That's what's going

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Speaker 1: to happen. I think again, it would be my hope

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Speaker 1: that she goes back, but I don't know that that's realistic.

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Speaker 1: But again, we can hope. I guess because you know what,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, she was really done wrong.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that. She had an excellent reputation as

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Speaker 1: chief as I understand it, her personnel jacket is pretty

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Speaker 1: well flawless, implemented a lot of things in CPD. And

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Speaker 1: again we'll talk to her brothers about that. But she's

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Speaker 1: just done wrong. So again I'm afraid that she won't

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Speaker 1: be back. It's not a happy ending for anyone. Bottom line,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've had some history together as a former police

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Speaker 4: I was sitting there with a old friend of yours,

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Speaker 2: Because the whole time that she spoke.

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Speaker 2: Now, that to me is great leadership. If we want

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Speaker 3: Fingers, the council and the judges have neutered Cincinnati Police Department.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that, Larry. I mean that started right

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Speaker 3: I had a conversation yesterday in Kentucky with several law

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Speaker 1: You know what, That's a good point. And that is

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Speaker 3: And and and at the end of the day, if

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Speaker 2: Now, how much credibility is that?

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Speaker 1: Exactly most people?

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Speaker 3: I mean we're talking about what height.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: Look look what Mike Washington got, Yeah, the far chief, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the mirror that situation, which was another colossal screw.

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Speaker 3: That's honor and integrity multiplied times one thousand.

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Speaker 1: Very very good point, Larry, really good point. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: the call. Thank you, take care brother. Okay, Yeah, he's right,

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Speaker 1: But no, and her family, you know, do it again.

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Speaker 6: Mike, how about yourself? I'm sure you're as good as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, I'm doing that.

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Speaker 6: Okay, thank you, Bill, You're welcome too. Quick points. They

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Speaker 6: And the second thing is you say they wouldn't let

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Speaker 2: She perjured herself.

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Speaker 6: He would not let us cross examine her. On that,

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Speaker 6: Us get emails or emails with attachments or texts, talk

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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you, did you guys appeal that,

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Speaker 6: We did appeal it, and it was appealed on the

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Speaker 6: that he should not be a judge. And I hope

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Speaker 6: next time he even moved over to the appeals court,

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Speaker 6: next time, I will be out there full force. All

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Speaker 6: Us cross examine her. He would not let us oppose her,

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you, and I've said it before, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to say it again. This report, this nine page report,

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Speaker 1: let's just see where it goes. But I don't think

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Speaker 1: we got a thirty million dollar budget deficit. You're going

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Speaker 1: But I appreciate the call.

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Speaker 6: Thanks Mike.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, thank you. Let's talk to Jay in Centerville. Hey,

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Speaker 1: good morning, Jay.

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Speaker 2: Hey Martin, Mike, how are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. What you got for good?

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Speaker 7: And I want to give a word of caution to everybody.

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Speaker 7: I live in Centerville, but I was born in Mount

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Speaker 7: Airy All my family lives in Cincinnati. My girlfriend's in Clifton.

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Speaker 7: We spend a tremendous amount of time downtown in OTR

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Speaker 7: And I've talked to you before. I came from Portland,

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Speaker 7: to be talking about it. But I see the earmarks

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Speaker 7: people don't realize we will not go downtown anymore. There

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Speaker 7: will be a point. You made that point earlier that

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Speaker 8: I love that city.

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Speaker 7: I love the downtown. We spend every festival and every

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Speaker 7: being destroyed. If somebody doesn't bring up a recall campaign.

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Speaker 7: We don't have to have Corey Bowman, but we can

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Speaker 1: No question about it. And boy, I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 1: I think Corey Bowman would make a great mayor. He

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Speaker 1: I think he did a great job. Yeah. At the

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Speaker 1: bottom line is you get who you vote for. You

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Speaker 1: this is what you're going to get.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I'd like to see a pressure campaign to Mike to

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Speaker 7: get rid of IRUs Rollie. That is just there's something

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Speaker 7: And it's just I don't know. I think if enough

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Speaker 8: Rid of her, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I don't get what the deal is with her,

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Speaker 1: that's what it is. But well, i'll tell you what,

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Speaker 1: she's making a pretty good coin for I don't think

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Speaker 7: But well, and I look at her as I would

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Speaker 7: She hates white people, She has so much hate in

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Speaker 7: She makes it a more dangerous city with a lot

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Speaker 1: What good does she do? Well? And you know, some people,

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Speaker 1: And that's got that's got to stop as well. And

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Speaker 1: I think we're starting to see that. But hey, I

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Speaker 7: Wrong all the way around, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I don't want to get sidetracked on that,

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Speaker 1: racists come in all colors, and it's bad for anyone

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Speaker 1: all cultures. Anyway, that's just me. Hey, let's talk to Bill.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Bill, what she got ym Yeah, Mike, Uh, he

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Speaker 9: got thirty million dollar deficit down there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: But then the city city manager in the marriage, they're not.

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Speaker 9: Uh, And so they want a five percent decrease, you know,

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Speaker 9: they should take five percent too. In fact, any outfit

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Speaker 9: and they want people to take a cut in pay,

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Speaker 9: and they should be the first ones to take the cut.

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. And I don't know that they're doing that,

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Speaker 1: but you're right. I didn't even know they called for that.

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Speaker 1: They specifically called for thirty percent reduction and all the departments.

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Speaker 9: Five percent five percent okay, okay, five percent reduction in

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Speaker 9: all you know, in expenses in all departments. They should

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Speaker 9: hit school boards. Anybody that messes around like that. Absolutely,

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Speaker 9: And that's really all I have to say. Okay, I

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Speaker 9: thank you very much listening to me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for the call. I appreciate it. Man.

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Speaker 1: I mean, thirty million dollars in the hole, and they

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Speaker 1: They said that in nineteen seventy six and seventy seven,

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Speaker 1: let's talk to Doug. Hey, Doug, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great? Just two things I'd like to mention.

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Speaker 8: Sure, the whole whitewash thing.

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Speaker 5: Here with chiefs dig I mean, it's it's atrocious.

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Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like it, but Cincinnati just can't

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Speaker 5: And it's a real shame because over the last thirty

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Speaker 5: years that city has been transformed. It could be a destination.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 5: But the one thing they will not talk about is

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Speaker 5: the gang violence going on down there. Everybody talks about

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Speaker 5: the violence, but it's gang violence, and they don't talk

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Speaker 5: about it because it'll kill tourism and it's already killing it.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean, people from here don't want to

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Speaker 1: go down there anymore. And I did not know that

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Speaker 1: it was gang related. I haven't seen anything on that,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, well that makes it all the worse

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Speaker 1: because they don't go away.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: You drive the streets and you look at all the

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Speaker 5: graffiti that they have covered up to North Side, everything

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Speaker 5: they've painted up everywhere. There's graffiti everywhere, but nobody will

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Speaker 5: talk about the gangs. And the gangs are the ones

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Speaker 5: who bring the drugs and bring all that crap in yep.

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Speaker 2: But they won't talk about it.

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Speaker 5: The police don't want to.

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Speaker 8: Talk about it.

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Speaker 5: And I even called and asked, you still have a

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Speaker 5: gang unit, and they said they do, they still have

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Speaker 5: a gang unit.

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Speaker 8: But you know what, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Gonna ask Ken Kober about that next time I have

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Speaker 1: him on President of FOP sixty nine. I didn't hear that,

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Speaker 1: but it's very possible. And if I know CPD, they're

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Speaker 1: doing everything they can. But I was I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: happy that it didn't appear that Cincinnati had a gang problem.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps they do right.

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Speaker 5: The other thing I want to talk about, and I'm

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Speaker 5: sure at some point you'll have an election.

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Speaker 9: Talk show about the ballot issues.

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Speaker 1: That are on the ballot.

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Speaker 5: I live in Claremont County, and everybody's rushing to the

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Speaker 5: ballot to get these property taxes increased again. And there

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Speaker 5: should be a there should be an absolute moratorium on

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Speaker 5: any of that stuff until it. People do not realize

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Speaker 5: when they were new these levees, they are voting.

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Speaker 2: In millions of dollars.

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Speaker 5: To these agencies, yep, millions, and they're voting to keep

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Speaker 5: in place all that COVID money that Biden bought the

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Speaker 5: election with, which because they inflated salaries unbelievably to retain employees.

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Speaker 1: Which also caused the inflation, uh the money through with that,

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Speaker 1: but I'm going to look into that. I do appreciate

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Speaker 1: the call, though, thank you. All right, let's see, let's

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Speaker 1: talk to Rick in Western Hills. Rick got a couple

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Speaker 1: of minutes here before we got a break.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hi, I just wanted to ask you.

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Speaker 10: In the state law, are you allowed to have a

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Speaker 10: recall petition for the prosecuting Attorney's office?

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Speaker 1: I would assume so. I think it goes to uh,

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Speaker 1: it applies to every county elected official. I don't know

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Speaker 1: anything about the specifics of it, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: for one hundred percent certain, but I'm pretty darn sure

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Speaker 1: you can.

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Speaker 2: I never trust.

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Speaker 10: I never trusted the way that they're I know everything's

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Speaker 10: legitimate and how everything's counted in the Board of Elections,

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Speaker 10: but they rely too heavily on computers and with AI

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Speaker 10: and everything. It seems to me that if possible, it's

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Speaker 10: not completely with ala reama possibility that somehow people could

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Speaker 10: rig our elections and maybe the city the county prosecutor's office,

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Speaker 10: because for dereliction of.

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Speaker 2: Duty, you gotta have a reason.

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Speaker 10: And the way they're just letting people walk walk out.

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Speaker 10: They got they go to front of a judge with

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Speaker 10: guns on them and then they just walk out. Well,

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Speaker 10: the r bonds And I remember when I was a kid,

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Speaker 10: somebody told me a long time ago, you get caught

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Speaker 10: with a gun on you're gonna go to do two

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Speaker 10: years in the penitentiary. And that there wasn't all this

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Speaker 10: this violent street crime back in the seventies and eighties

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Speaker 10: like it lives now.

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Speaker 2: And it seems to me like.

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Speaker 10: You're talking about, well, you can't outlaile guns Wantedn't he

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Speaker 10: just enforce the law? You know, I don't understand this,

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Speaker 10: And it seems to me.

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Speaker 2: Like the prosecutor.

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Speaker 10: It all starts at the prosecutor's office and then some

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Speaker 10: of the judges too. But at least if we started

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Speaker 10: in one place and got a recall petition, I mean,

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Speaker 10: I don't know, if you spearheaded it, I bet you

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Speaker 10: could have enough signatures to do it in probably three months.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know who knows. But that's an idea.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Rick, but I do thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think the problem is in the

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Speaker 1: prosecutor's office. I think the problem are those guys and

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Speaker 1: women in the black robes, especially with respect to bond.

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Speaker 1: You know, Hamilton County, it ain't your granddaddy's Hamilton County anymore.

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Speaker 1: And the criminal justice system in Hamilton County is kind

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Speaker 1: of proof of that, Hey, I have to take new

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Speaker 1: podcasts mostly Human News Radio seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen

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Speaker 1: with our two of Saturday Midday. Well, we talked about

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Speaker 1: it in the rant the report, if you will, on

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Speaker 1: the police chief, and she is still the police chief.

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Speaker 1: Treth's thiji and I think it's a host job here

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Speaker 1: to talk about it. Are three of her very close relatives,

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Speaker 1: her brother Russ Nebll thirty five years law enforcement, Rick

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Speaker 1: Nevill thirty two years, and Mike Neville thirty one year VET.

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Speaker 1: So these guys know what they're talking about. I'll direct

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Speaker 1: this to whoever wants to take it, just in general,

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the report, shared it all week, Mike.

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Speaker 11: It's slanted bias, not outside of what we expected, as

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Speaker 11: we've referred to it as a mythical narrative that would

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Speaker 11: be provided and we'll go from there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, it's nine pages. It's an easy read,

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Speaker 1: but there it's very very short on specifics. There are

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Speaker 1: no specifics.

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Speaker 12: It's innuendos, it's subjective, its opinion, and I'll go back

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Speaker 12: to it's not even a little bit surprising, and we'll

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Speaker 12: proceed from there.

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Speaker 1: Everybody expected it, and you know the city's going to

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Speaker 1: hang their hat on that. It's just a matter of

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Speaker 1: time before they do it. My guess is they'll do

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Speaker 1: it fairly soon to get it out of the way,

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Speaker 1: and then the litigan starts. And I'll tell you, she

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Speaker 1: may end up a former or Cincinnati police chief, but

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Speaker 1: she's gonna be one that's pretty well off because of it.

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Speaker 1: And that's as the fire chief. That's the way it

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Speaker 1: should be. I think you don't do somebody like this,

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Speaker 1: You just don't. I mean, and again maybe it's a

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Speaker 1: lawyer in me. I read through this thing. There are

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Speaker 1: zero specifics. I mean, how is she supposed to fight that?

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Speaker 1: I know they gave her a chance to talk, but

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Speaker 1: not to specifically answer anything.

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Speaker 13: Well, Mike, on the on the report, it's it's nine pages, right, yeah,

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Speaker 13: but over two pages of it is a conclusion. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: so in theory, right, six six and a half pages

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Speaker 13: of it or what have you are is a report.

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Speaker 13: What I would what I would tell people to do

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Speaker 13: is pay attention to people who are making comments such

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Speaker 13: as Randy freaking retired labor attorney Brian Redden todd Zinger's

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Speaker 13: report as a watchdog, Jason Phillam his thought process. These

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Speaker 13: are reputable, good attorneys in use Field, and I'm no

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Speaker 13: disrespect to people on Plumb Street.

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Speaker 1: You're in bad shape, I think so. I'm not impressed

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Speaker 1: with this city Solicitor's office at all in recent years.

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Speaker 1: But again I think that's a function of who runs

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Speaker 1: city council. Yeah, I've said it before, and I'm sad

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Speaker 1: to say it. I don't know that we'll ever see

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Speaker 1: a Republican elected down there.

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Speaker 12: Again, it's not it's not my arena. I know politics

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Speaker 12: is in my arena. We would have remained away from

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Speaker 12: the majority of political circumstances had this not happened with

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Speaker 12: Terry and the Sincinct Police Department perfectly, honestly on the report, Mike,

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Speaker 12: each of us have a lot of experience in both

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Speaker 12: criminal and administrative investigations, and just laying out what a

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Speaker 12: traditional acceptable report for an investigative person would purpose would be.

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Speaker 12: You know, you have your allegations, you identify and interview

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Speaker 12: what you can term as witnesses, participants, those involved. Whatever

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Speaker 12: word witnesses is acceptable, but it doesn't make sense here.

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Speaker 12: You interview all parties that have anything to add to

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Speaker 12: the fact based element of the investigation.

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Speaker 1: You lay out each of.

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Speaker 12: Those interviews, such as, if you interview Russ Neville, Here's

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Speaker 12: what Russ Neville had to say, here's any supporting documentation

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Speaker 12: Russ now provided. You interview Rick Neville, Here's what Rick

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Speaker 12: Neville had to say, what a factual documentation was provided?

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Speaker 12: And Mike and whomever. I mean, it could go from

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Speaker 12: five to be interviewed up to thirty or forty. But

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Speaker 12: each interview is laid out and the statements and anything

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Speaker 12: supporting is contained. And so you have your introduction, your body,

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Speaker 12: and then your conclusion, and you base your conclusion on

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Speaker 12: the facts on the information provided. But that information is

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Speaker 12: there and available for those that will review it or

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Speaker 12: need the information going forward to review and see and

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Speaker 12: take advantage of. And this has none of that. This

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Speaker 12: is anonymous opinion and speculation, and it's just really kind

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Speaker 12: of pathetic in the world of investigative purposes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that with you guys experience with

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Speaker 1: the investigations. And as you say, the last two pages

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Speaker 1: are all conclusions. And maybe it's the lawyer in me.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to make these charges, you ought to

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Speaker 1: let the person who is being charged with this stuff,

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Speaker 1: have a say to rebutt it, and apparently I know

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Speaker 1: she talked to him. Apparently that specific rebuttal thing did

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Speaker 1: not happen. So therefore I don't think it's worth written.

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Speaker 1: That paper's written.

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Speaker 12: Well, another point on that, I mean, yes, Terry was interviewed,

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Speaker 12: the interview to whatever period of time, it was a

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Speaker 12: modern period of time, and they pulled out a sentence

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Speaker 12: or two which doesn't provide context of the answer, doesn't

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Speaker 12: provide depth of the answer. And so again this is

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Speaker 12: something mister m will handle going forward. Once what we

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Speaker 12: anticipate termination taking place.

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Speaker 1: Let me just read you a sentence or two of

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Speaker 1: it and get your thoughts on it. Talking about let's see,

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Speaker 1: numerous witnesses believe that she Thiji led with a quote

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Speaker 1: old school close quote approach I e. Rigid and authoritarian

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Speaker 1: and did not adapt to And I got to find

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Speaker 1: out what the hell this means, did not adapt to

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Speaker 1: quote current work, culture expectations. What the heck is that?

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Speaker 1: I think that completely flies in the face. Who anyone

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Speaker 1: wants to say she.

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Speaker 13: Was a DEI higher right, Yeah, I think it's sometimes

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Speaker 13: people don't like to be told no. Sometimes you in

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Speaker 13: that role is a chief or whatever right you have

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Speaker 13: to put your hand on the table and say this

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Speaker 13: is why we're going to do it, because it's the

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Speaker 13: best for the city and the citizens and the department.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: I was telling these guys in a lobby earlier. When

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Speaker 13: I read the report, I honestly scrolled down. I was

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Speaker 13: looking for the section for hurt feelings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they wouldn't be specific about that either. Show

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Speaker 1: us where she hurt your feelings. Anybody knows anything about investigations,

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Speaker 1: police officer, criminal defense, lawyer, judge, whatever, looks at this

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Speaker 1: thing in those it's not fair. You can't tease somebody

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Speaker 1: up like this and not give her a damn chance

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Speaker 1: to rebut it. But you know, in one thing too,

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Speaker 1: this is my opinion being charged for being quote old

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Speaker 1: school close quote. I think we could use a little

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Speaker 1: more old school in the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 14: That's just me, you know, and Mike. I think what

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Speaker 14: we had to throw in here is quote what's old school.

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Speaker 14: All three of us were raised throughout the departments under

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Speaker 14: a command structure. You accept certain decisions, you recognize responsibilities

650
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Speaker 14: above you, and you don't just say because they made

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Speaker 14: that decision, they're wrong. I just think there's a taste

652
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Speaker 14: in that report where they're starting to do create sympathy

653
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Speaker 14: for decision making, and I think that's a sad component

654
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Speaker 14: that's buried throughout There is a chief and a decision

655
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Speaker 14: maker have that role, and not everybody smiles every.

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Speaker 1: Time you make a decision. It's just everything that we've

657
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Speaker 1: all been raised through. So the nature of the job

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Speaker 1: and looking back, you guys obviously a lot more experience

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Speaker 1: in it than I. When you had an old school chief,

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Speaker 1: Tom Striker comes to mind, Larry Whalen comes to mind,

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Speaker 1: it seemed like the department and I know personalities come

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Speaker 1: into it. The department ran pretty well under those guys. Well.

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Speaker 13: I will even throw in my years with with Simon

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Speaker 13: leeh Sheriff. Lease, yeah, thirty two years right.

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Speaker 1: You had three rules.

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Speaker 13: Three would be old school. He had three rules, show up,

667
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Speaker 13: stay in shape, and don't ever lie to me, and

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Speaker 13: it worked very well. Could you do that today? Probably not.

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Speaker 13: But there has to be some semblance in it in

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Speaker 13: law enforcement, and there absolutely has to be.

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Speaker 1: And you know the phrase that they use work culture expectations.

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Speaker 1: I wish somebody would define that because I don't know

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Speaker 1: what in the heck they're talking about I wanted to

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Speaker 1: ask you guys if you had a chance to read

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Speaker 1: there's an op ed. It was in Wednesday's Inquiry by

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Speaker 1: a man named Dennis Doyle. I don't know mister Doyle.

677
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Speaker 1: He's apparently a member of the inquire board of contributors. Man,

678
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Speaker 1: this thing is like right on the money. Did any

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Speaker 1: of you guys get a chance to look at that.

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Speaker 12: I'm going to defer to Rick on this one because

681
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Speaker 12: he follows it extremely closely.

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Speaker 1: I do know social media. I don't follow the op

683
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Speaker 1: ed unless Rick gets it to me. Okay, yeah, So

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Speaker 1: Dennis will tell you like it is. He did. There's

685
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Speaker 1: been a history of that, as does Todd and his report.

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Speaker 1: He laid it out there.

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Speaker 13: He basically said, there's no evidence here, right, It's all

688
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Speaker 13: how many times did they use the word I believe

689
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Speaker 13: or beliefs or what have you?

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Speaker 7: A lot?

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Speaker 13: We could talk about this toward blue in the face.

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Speaker 13: It's the old adage, right when the facts change? So

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Speaker 13: does want his opinion? There's no facts, not that I

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Speaker 13: can see none. I mean nine pages there none.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and again, to use a colloquialism, it's a

696
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Speaker 1: hose job. And I think the public is and already

697
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Speaker 1: is seeing it as that.

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Speaker 13: Well it is, but let's be very honest, what is

699
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Speaker 13: an eight to one plum Street. They're a lost step

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Speaker 13: in this hose job.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 13: We could talk about issue five, which I think is

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Speaker 13: a huge proponent in this moving forward, and I hope

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Speaker 13: if issue five comes back that this is a result

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Speaker 13: of what Terry's been through. I really do for the

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Speaker 13: betterment of that agency, because it's a damn good agency

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Speaker 13: and they don't need this.

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Speaker 1: I agree, And I was going to ask you guys

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Speaker 1: about issue five. I was involved that I was oscutor

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Speaker 1: at the time that I helped in the campaign it.

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Speaker 1: When it passed, I said to myself, this is going

712
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Speaker 1: to be a problem, a real problem. It took a

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Speaker 1: while for it to become that problem. But this I

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Speaker 1: think is just it's chapter and verse as to why

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Speaker 1: you need that. And just to explain, Issue five was

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Speaker 1: the issue the police chief had civil service protection. You

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Speaker 1: became police chief by testing for it, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the city couldn't wake up one morning and the city

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Speaker 1: manager and say you're out of here. I think it

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Speaker 1: would be a real uphill battle. Ken Kober said that

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Speaker 1: you know they're going to fight to get it on

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Speaker 1: the ballot. City Cincinnati now is not what it was

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Speaker 1: back then, and it was a forty nine to fifty

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Speaker 1: two vote back then. All of that is not to

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Speaker 1: say that you don't try, because if Issue five would

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Speaker 1: not have passed and Terry would have had civil service protection,

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Speaker 1: we wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 15: I think we can all agree, and that uphill battle

729
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Speaker 15: is just that right. It's gonna be a steep fight.

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Speaker 15: But if you don't get it started and try, you

731
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Speaker 15: don't know where it would go. So I personally believe

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Speaker 15: years turnover that this has been an ill effect of

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Speaker 15: that more political feat get stepped into the arena. And

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Speaker 15: that's just when the chief is kind of questioned because

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Speaker 15: the politics of it comes into play, you start to

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Speaker 15: lose that.

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Speaker 1: And I think Issue five was created that mess. It did,

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Speaker 1: it did, and as I said, it took a while

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Speaker 1: for it to come home to roost. But this is

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Speaker 1: a perfect example.

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Speaker 12: Of why Mike, just getting back to the report for

742
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Speaker 12: just a second, shit could something. The couple things jump

743
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Speaker 12: out of me. And in the opening statement it is

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Speaker 12: that the Solicitor's office did not demand any specific finding.

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Speaker 12: I find it interesting. I've shared this since the report

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Speaker 12: came out that they chose the term demand as opposed

747
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Speaker 12: to inquired, didn't guide, didn't manage, didn't have an expectation.

748
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Speaker 12: I think that's a very, very much a red flag

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Speaker 12: that they chose demand. And also in the report, there

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Speaker 12: is absolutely not one statement from those that interviewed in

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Speaker 12: support of Terry, and I know for fact that there

752
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Speaker 12: were between five and seven who went down for that purpose.

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Speaker 12: So if that doesn't give you a clear indication House slanted.

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Speaker 12: This is the purpose of this, the mythical narrative that

755
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Speaker 12: they wanted to get out, they did get out, and

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Speaker 12: I think it's falling flat.

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Speaker 1: It is. I mean, you know, I travel in circles

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Speaker 1: that you would expect this, But everybody that I've talked

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Speaker 1: to says what I say. It's just a hose job.

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Speaker 1: The city's going through the motions to get rid of her.

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Speaker 1: You know, they stuck their neck out and had to

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Speaker 1: do this, and this is what they're left with. They're

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Speaker 1: going to get tagged once again financially during a budget crisis,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we kind of look stupid, I think

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Speaker 1: in the in the public arena, if you will.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, and it'll end up in litigation, mister Rimble, do

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Speaker 12: the depositions. Depositions, as I've said time and time again,

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Speaker 12: that we not in a pleasant way look forward to,

769
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Speaker 12: but look forward to for the purpose of clarity and

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Speaker 12: fact coming out.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say.

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Speaker 12: Again the mayor, the manager, the law director of the

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Speaker 12: City of Cincinnati, council members, those that interviewed for this

775
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 12: mythical narrative report, and some of those that, yeah, just

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Speaker 12: those that interviewed on.

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Speaker 1: Down you know, they do say the only good part

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Speaker 1: for her in there that she does very well on

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Speaker 1: the administrative aspects of being the chief of police. I've

780
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: never been the chief of police anywhere, but that seems

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Speaker 1: to me that's a pretty damn big part of that job.

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Speaker 8: Critically important.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, if you talk to anybody at administration of law

784
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 12: enforcement or industry, the administrative side is critically important. And

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Speaker 12: that's why it is best to hire police chiefs who

786
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Speaker 12: are well rounded, who have had assignments in various purposes

787
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Speaker 12: within the department, internal investigation, inspections and planning, drug investigations,

788
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Speaker 12: patrol purposes, finance management, and that is what Terry has.

789
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Speaker 12: So you know, if they want to comment on her

790
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Speaker 12: administrative strengths. That's actually a compliment of strength, and we

791
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Speaker 12: appreciate that. But I will tell you she has extensive

792
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Speaker 12: patrol management, patrol over site, she's managed district, she's managed personnel. Again,

793
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Speaker 12: it's a subjective opinion that somebody put in there, and

794
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Speaker 12: they elected the place in this narrative.

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Speaker 1: You know, one thing at one glaring error that I see.

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Speaker 1: I say this kind of tongue in cheek. They didn't

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Speaker 1: forgot to mention anything in there about CPD's leadership role

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Speaker 1: on new technology, specifically the drones. My understanding is people

799
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Speaker 1: come from other departments to CPD to kind of get

800
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Speaker 1: the scoop on it. I guess they forgot to put

801
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Speaker 1: that in.

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Speaker 12: Interesting as this began in October, one of the paths

803
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Speaker 12: we took was to identify Terry's successes since she took

804
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Speaker 12: the role, and I think we identified seven or eight

805
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 12: that had significant successes, significant impact on the police department,

806
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 12: the betterment of the community, the well being of the officers,

807
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 12: and certainly that's not in there because they didn't care

808
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Speaker 12: for it to be.

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Speaker 1: I get it. We got about a minute left. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you the question. I think in a

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Speaker 1: lot of people's minds. How is she doing, how is

812
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Speaker 1: she holding up?

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Speaker 12: She's doing as well as possible, truly as well as possible.

814
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Speaker 12: She has her days, Evan Flow. You know, when this

815
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 12: report came out, it was another strike to the gut,

816
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 12: another way for them to embarrass her. You know, she

817
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 12: might sulk for two hours, four hours and bam, there's

818
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Speaker 12: terry return. Since she's ready to fight and be involved

819
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Speaker 12: with her family and the community and positives, yep.

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Speaker 1: Well, she's got a heck of a lot of support

821
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Speaker 1: out in the community. I'll tell you what. When you

822
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Speaker 1: guys initially put up or whoever did it the yard signs,

823
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was better than a lot of political campaigns.

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Speaker 1: Might want to get out there and kind of refresh

825
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. But she's got a lot

826
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Speaker 1: of support in the community. A lot, guys. I think

827
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Speaker 1: we're out of time here, but I really appreciate it.

828
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Speaker 1: And like I said last time you were here, you

829
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: got to open microphone whenever you want because this is

830
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: just wrong and I'm going to do whatever I can

831
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Speaker 1: do in my limited role to help right this situation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much.

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Speaker 8: We appreciate this time.

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Speaker 1: Mike, Okay, thank you. Hey, we got to take a break,

835
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Speaker 1: but we'll be back. Mike Allen Sat we help you

836
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Speaker 1: do more with Mike Allen Saturday Midday. You know it's

837
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Speaker 1: I can't believe it, but we haven't talked politics on

838
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 1: this show for a while. There's there's been so much

839
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: going on, mostly local, but I'm looking forward to doing

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Speaker 1: that today with our friend, independent political analyst Kevin Burton. Kevin,

841
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Speaker 1: thanks for calling.

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Speaker 8: In, Mike, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let me ask you first. I guess a little

844
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: bit off topic, but the situation with the police chief

845
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Speaker 1: in the city of Cincinnati. People aren't happy. Everybody I've

846
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: talked to and people out of my circle, they're not

847
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: happy with the treatment of Chief Fiji. Do you think that?

848
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of talk about getting Issue five

849
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Speaker 1: back on the ballot. You might remember two thousand and

850
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Speaker 1: one it passed. It took away civil service protection for

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Speaker 1: the police chief and the fire chief. I guess all

852
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: that's a long way of asking in the next council election,

853
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Speaker 1: do you think that will matter and maybe elect one

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Speaker 1: Republican down there.

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Speaker 16: I'm glater that you think I would remember two thousand

856
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Speaker 16: and one. No, it's not the city is overwhelmingly blue.

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Speaker 16: It's gonna stay blue for the next fifty years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to agree with you. You know, when

859
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: people complain about it, say, hey, you know what you

860
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: get the people that you voted for. I mean, you

861
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Speaker 1: know that's what you get. But anyway, I just wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask your opinion on that. Okay, let's get on

863
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Speaker 1: the national level here. President Trump. He's taken some knocks

864
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Speaker 1: lately with getting rid of cabinet members and then of

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Speaker 1: course the war. We had a deadly turn apparently yesterday

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Speaker 1: with the well I hope that's not the case, but

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Speaker 1: it might be with the doubting of our aircraft. Your

868
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Speaker 1: thoughts on how that's affecting the president politically? We all

869
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Speaker 1: know he can't run again. I don't know if he

870
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Speaker 1: knows that, but he can't run again. How do you

871
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Speaker 1: think all this is going to affect the mid terms?

872
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Speaker 8: I guess, well.

873
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Speaker 16: Well, first off, I think me and you should get

874
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Speaker 16: some praise because a year ago, what did we say

875
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Speaker 16: that he should.

876
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Speaker 1: Fire Pam BONDI yep, you're right, you're.

877
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Speaker 16: Right, because you know it was clear that she was

878
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 16: in over her head. And what's the quote from Ronald Reagan,

879
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 16: if you are explaining, you are losing. If it's that simple.

880
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 16: As for you know, it's a complete reset for the

881
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Speaker 16: administration as you can see, which kind of leans into

882
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Speaker 16: the poll numbers. They're not good numbers, just frankly not.

883
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Speaker 16: And the clearest reset that you can do right now

884
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Speaker 16: is shake up your cabinet. As for the Iran war,

885
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Speaker 16: you know, I'm a millennial. I live through the Afghanistan

886
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Speaker 16: and Iraq wars, and you know, I'm just tired of

887
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Speaker 16: spending billions of dollars each day in a country that's

888
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Speaker 16: halfway around the world.

889
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Speaker 1: And I get that brand. But wouldn't you concede though,

890
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Speaker 1: that Iran is a real problem and we can't let

891
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Speaker 1: them get a nuclear to vice. See, that's just it.

892
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: At the very beginning, Trump had support support for the war.

893
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Speaker 1: Not overwhelming, not even close. But man, everybody's taking a

894
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Speaker 1: hike on him. Now.

895
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Speaker 16: How many of the hijackers on nine to eleven were

896
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Speaker 16: from Iran? Well, I get that, but I mean, you know,

897
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Speaker 16: I mean there were zero. Like, listen, that's not our fight.

898
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Speaker 16: If Israel wants to fight them, do what we're doing

899
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Speaker 16: in Ukraine. Support them, give.

900
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Speaker 8: Them weapons, let them do that.

901
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Speaker 1: I just had.

902
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Speaker 16: You know, my brother was over in Afghanistan, I had

903
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Speaker 16: friends over in Iraq.

904
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Speaker 8: And I just don't want to see it for the

905
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Speaker 8: next generation. You know, we're I.

906
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Speaker 1: Get that, John, We're just going to have to agree

907
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Speaker 1: to disagree on this one, I guess. But with respect

908
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Speaker 1: to the midterms, how, if at all, does it affect

909
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Speaker 1: the midterms.

910
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Speaker 16: The one thing that we saw both with Biden with

911
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Speaker 16: his disasters pull out of Afghanistan and with George W. Bush,

912
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Speaker 16: Americans don't like being humiliated on a world stage. They

913
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Speaker 16: don't and usually the.

914
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Speaker 8: Best way to take that out is on the voting box.

915
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Speaker 16: So you know, the general consensus right now is roughly

916
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Speaker 16: generic ballot for a Democrat, forty for a Republican. It

917
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Speaker 16: is important to remember for Dems, with how everything's kind

918
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Speaker 16: of they need to be around that six percent mark

919
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Speaker 16: ahead of Republicans to see an electoral difference. As unpopular

920
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Speaker 16: as Donald Trump is, Chuck Schumer and Hackeen Jeffries are

921
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Speaker 16: even more unpopular. It's like the meme of the worst

922
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Speaker 16: person you know just made it.

923
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Speaker 8: A good point, so.

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Speaker 16: You know them should be favored, but their leadership is

925
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Speaker 16: even more unfavorable. Than Donald trumpe Is by a wide margin.

926
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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you mentioned that because I wanted

927
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Speaker 1: to talk about a poll I saw this week, a

928
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Speaker 1: CNN poll. I mean, it's really pretty astounding with respect

929
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Speaker 1: to support for Democrats. Now, if I could just find

930
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Speaker 1: the darn thing. Yeah, A recent CNN SSRs poll released

931
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Speaker 1: in April, which would have been this week, indicates listen

932
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Speaker 1: to this, Kevin, twenty five percent of voters believe Congressional

933
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Speaker 1: Democrats have the right priorities for the country. The survey

934
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Speaker 1: highlights significant dissatisfaction with the party's current direction. And this

935
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Speaker 1: is the bigie here. A substantial seventy four percent of

936
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Speaker 1: Americans overall stated that Democrats in Congress have the wrong priorities.

937
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Speaker 1: And you know, my guests would be there talking about

938
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Speaker 1: men in women's sports and some of these other issues.

939
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Speaker 1: I mean, seventy four percent saying that democ crabs have

940
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Speaker 1: the wrong priorities. It's hard to And I get I

941
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Speaker 1: get politics. I get the you know, the off year election,

942
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Speaker 1: if your president is in office, it's going to be

943
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Speaker 1: the other party. But man, how did they get around

944
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Speaker 1: something like that? I guess is the question?

945
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Speaker 8: Well, and you send me that pull.

946
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Speaker 16: One interesting thing was so ten years ago in March

947
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Speaker 16: of twenty sixteen, the dem favorability where it was that

948
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Speaker 16: fifty percent, and now it's plummeted to twenty eight percent.

949
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Speaker 16: If I was advising any congressional candidates, you have to

950
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Speaker 16: do what we've seen Republicans do so well when people

951
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Speaker 16: are tired of the status quo. No, I will not

952
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Speaker 16: support Chuck Schumer for majority leadership if we take the Senate. No,

953
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Speaker 16: I will not support Hakeem Jeffries. In a lot of ways.

954
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Speaker 16: I think this is just going to be very similar.

955
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Speaker 16: And we've talked about this before of the twenty sixteen election,

956
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 16: the Democratics and looking more, they're not efficient. There's no pushback,

957
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Speaker 16: they have no spine. Is basically was the three things

958
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Speaker 16: of that poll of why people don't find them favorable. Listen,

959
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 16: people get that you do not like Trump.

960
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Speaker 2: We know this.

961
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Speaker 16: It has been twelve years of this. Now what's your plan?

962
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 8: What are you going to do? Right besides besides just say.

963
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Speaker 16: Like you know, you go back to let's just say.

964
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Speaker 8: Mandani or AOC.

965
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Speaker 16: You may not respect, you may not like what they're saying,

966
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 16: but at least they have a message. At least there

967
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 16: you know where they stand for congressional Democrats.

968
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 8: Where else do they really stand?

969
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Speaker 16: They don't have a point, like, yeah, we get it,

970
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 16: you hate Trump, but like show us an alternative, and

971
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 16: they haven't done it in twelve years, right.

972
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Speaker 1: You know, Ron Emmanuel has been very vocal in the media,

973
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Speaker 1: couple up op eds in the Wall Street Journal and

974
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Speaker 1: some other things. I mean, I would call him a

975
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Speaker 1: center of a Democrat as you can get, and a

976
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: smart guy too, And he's been preaching that same thing, Kevin,

977
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 1: We got no message. The issues we do get behind

978
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: are eighty twenty losers. Do you think that attitude will

979
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: prevail among Democrats or And that's the thing I want

980
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: to talk to you about about the Kentucky Governor Andy

981
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Speaker 1: Basheer in a little bit later. But do you think

982
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: I guess I'm saying, do you think guys like that

983
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: are making any progress?

984
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 8: Well, I want to circle back to Rom Emmanuel.

985
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 16: Yeah, for people who don't remember before he yes, he

986
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 16: was not the greatest mayor of Chicago, we can all

987
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 16: admit that, but he was a masterful chief of staff

988
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 16: where for Obama, where he coordinated everything. And you know,

989
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 16: like I'm sorry, you gotta win.

990
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: You know.

991
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 16: Rome wasn't billet in a day. And for everyone who

992
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 16: wants immediate change, you have to remember that, like frankly,

993
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 16: America took forever for everyone to get the right to vote.

994
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 16: So like Rome wasn't built in a day, small changes

995
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 16: are better than no changes, right, you know. And I

996
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 16: think for the most part, it's all going to come

997
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 16: down to do you want to win or do you

998
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 16: want to keep doing these litanus tests time and time again.

999
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 16: Democrats for the last ten years they would rather lose

1000
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 16: and be right than when and have someone they disagree

1001
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 16: with maybe twenty five percent, you know, the litanus test.

1002
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 16: You guys just need to get over it, period, just

1003
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 16: like you know, and that's something where you look at

1004
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 16: like Andy Bisheer kid, does he have a pathway to

1005
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 16: be president? You know, he's a very popular governor, the

1006
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 16: most popular governor.

1007
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Speaker 8: In the state right now.

1008
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Speaker 16: It's all going to be interesting to see how the ballots,

1009
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 16: you know, come in November and.

1010
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Speaker 8: Who runs and who doesn't.

1011
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: Right.

1012
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, and speaking of Bashir, I sent you that article.

1013
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: It seems to me that him and just about every

1014
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 1: other allegedly serious Democrat presidential candidate is trying as hard

1015
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: as they can to veer to the left. And with

1016
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Speaker 1: this situation, the thing I sent you, the school choice law,

1017
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: he could have done something to go forward on that,

1018
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Speaker 1: and he didn't. He vetoed it, and the legislature, if

1019
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, overrode that veto I guess all. That's

1020
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: a long way of asking will these candidates continue to

1021
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: have to continue to go to the left? I mean,

1022
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, when the country when seventy four percent of

1023
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: Americans say you have the wrong priorities, why are they

1024
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: running to the left.

1025
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 16: Well, but primary elections are different than general elections, and

1026
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 16: it's the same thing on the Republican side. Listen for

1027
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 16: primaries unless it is a presidential year, which you know

1028
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 16: that's going to be coming up. It is so hard

1029
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 16: to convince someone who.

1030
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Speaker 8: Their lives are.

1031
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Speaker 16: Pretty good and they just don't have time to go

1032
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 16: vote for an election. The people who vote in off

1033
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 16: year elections or midterms are people who frankly are upset.

1034
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 16: You know, it's not a status quo election, right, So

1035
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 16: when you're doing those electors, it is totally different, and

1036
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 16: usually you have to pivot because the people who are

1037
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 16: most stamped up are the fanaticals on both sides who

1038
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 16: are true believers on both sides. So when you're doing

1039
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Speaker 16: a and a lot of times you have to pivot

1040
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 16: in a primary election.

1041
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 8: To maybe a point where you don't.

1042
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Speaker 16: Truly believe, and then it costs you in the general.

1043
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 16: But it's kind of like you have to use all

1044
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 16: of your arms in the NLCS to get to the

1045
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 16: World Series. You can't hold anything back. You know, if

1046
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 16: people really have a problem with who the candidates are,

1047
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 16: vote in primary elections.

1048
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and people that vote in primary elections I think

1049
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: give a darn about their country too. I mean, I

1050
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: saw one poll not too long ago that indicated that

1051
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: the magabase the hardcore mega Republican base. This is separated

1052
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: and I don't know what the delineation is, but separated

1053
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: from I guess regular Republicans for lack of a better word,

1054
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: there's some thought that they're not going to get out

1055
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: and vote in the midterms. And if that is truly

1056
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: the case, which course is a Republican I hope is not,

1057
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: we're in big trouble. I mean, those people need to

1058
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: understand in order to further President Trump's agenda. You all megabase.

1059
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 1: You got to get out there and vote in the

1060
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: midterms and keep the Senate and the House Republican.

1061
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Speaker 16: What do you think, Well, but that's been the one

1062
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 16: interesting thing when and Donald Trump is not on the ballot,

1063
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 16: it just hasn't crossed over. And in that poll that

1064
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Speaker 16: you said something of, only twenty two percent of voters

1065
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 16: said that they would vote to send a message to

1066
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Speaker 16: Donald Trump that they support him, which is down seven

1067
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 16: percent from this time last year.

1068
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Speaker 1: That's not good. I mean, that's not good.

1069
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Speaker 8: So you know, like.

1070
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Speaker 16: I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Moneyball,

1071
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 16: where you're trying to re aggregate someone you can't with Trump,

1072
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Speaker 16: it's the same thing that Democrats have been trying to

1073
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Speaker 16: do with Obama for a decade. Sometimes you just have

1074
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 16: to admit that you have someone who resonates with the

1075
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Speaker 16: general public and you can't duplicate that.

1076
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Speaker 8: You can keep trying, keep trying.

1077
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Speaker 16: You know, Kamala tried to Rono's Obama light.

1078
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Speaker 8: It didn't work.

1079
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Speaker 16: Ron Desantus tried to run as Trump light. It didn't work.

1080
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 16: People can want authenticity more than anything.

1081
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Speaker 1: They sure do, and I think that's one of the

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Speaker 1: many reasons that Kamala Harris is not president of the

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Speaker 1: United States. I mean, if there is a more insincere

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Speaker 1: politician in this world, I want to know who it is.

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Speaker 1: You hit the nail right on the head, Kevin, and

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Speaker 1: whether you like Trump or not, he's authentic. I mean

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Speaker 1: what you see is what you get. The most transparent

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Speaker 1: president I think in this country's history.

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Speaker 16: Well, and everything I tell Cana is be authentic. If

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Speaker 16: you say something that you don't like, if people don't like,

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Speaker 16: at least they can respect that you say it. You know,

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Speaker 16: this isn't the two thousand you know sitcom, you know

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Speaker 16: politicians where everything's pr related, like just say it. If

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Speaker 16: people don't like it, they don't like it, and they'll

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Speaker 16: take out the frustrations on the ballot box. But you

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Speaker 16: have to be authentic because.

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Speaker 8: People want someone who you know.

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Speaker 16: And you even see this with Newsome, who you know.

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Speaker 16: People kind of know that he's a little slimy, but

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Speaker 16: at least he's not hiding from who he is, right right, No,

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Speaker 16: just be authentic, be real. Don't be someone who's a

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Speaker 16: pr machine who's hiding behind political consultants, right and you

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Speaker 16: can just tell that it's regurgitated. You know you have

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Speaker 16: to have the why are you running? And just being

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Speaker 16: authentic is the number one thing that you need to

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Speaker 16: look for in candidates.

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Speaker 1: And I couldn't agree with you more. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's a relatively new phenomenon, but I think it's a

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Speaker 1: good one for both sides. Hey, we only got about

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Speaker 1: a minute and a half left. Bold prediction from you.

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Speaker 1: Does the Republican Do the Republicans keep the House?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Do they keep the Senate?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 16: Probably basically yeah, for them, they Democrats basically have to

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Speaker 16: run six stays in a row, and that includes Ohio, Texas,

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Speaker 16: North Carolina, holding on to both Georgia. It's going to

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Speaker 16: be a very unrealistic and hard thing for them to

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Speaker 16: pull that off. But I think the House they'll retake.

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Speaker 1: We shall see. As always, really appreciate it, and we'll

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Speaker 1: do this again soon.

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Speaker 8: Appreciate you, Mike.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Thanks Kevin. Thanks, Yeah, And that's the general consensus.

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Speaker 1: I think what he said. Obviously, I hope that doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: I want him to keep the house, but you know,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't help when we're arguing among ourselves to wit

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Speaker 1: the whole tsa thing and Republicans are getting a blame

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Speaker 1: for that, which that's incredible. But anyway, that's another subject. Hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: we got to take a break for the news. But

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Speaker 1: when we get back, we even talked to him for

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Speaker 1: a while. We're gonna check in with Attorney James Bogan.

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Speaker 1: Big big victory with respect to the boys and girls sports,

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Speaker 1: and I think we're winning that battle. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: James about it when we get back. Mike Allen Saturday Midday.

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Speaker 8: With iHeart everything you hear is guaranteed you manage a

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Speaker 8: business for Neil.

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Speaker 1: Bred seven hundred WLW. Mike Allen, Saturday Midday, third hour

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Speaker 1: of Say well, I'll tell you what. We've been talking

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Speaker 1: about this for a long time, and it looks like

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Speaker 1: the good guys are winning and winning pretty decisively. I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about what happened with the IOC, the International Olympic Committee.

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01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: They determine that eligibility for any female category event at

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Speaker 1: the Olympics or any other IOC event, including individual and

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01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: team sports, is now limited to biological females. So obviously

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01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: that's good for our site here to talk about it.

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01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: He watches this stuff pretty closely. He knows what what's

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Speaker 1: going on, is attorney James Bogan. James, thanks for calling in.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thanks for having me, Mike.

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Speaker 8: It's always a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: Hey, can you just walk us through this? Just what

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01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: was decided? What is the impact of it. I don't

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01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: mean on the Olympics, that's obvious, but you know, on

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01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,479
Speaker 1: this whole issue, because it sure seems like we're winning now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and keep in mind this is in an international thing.

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Speaker 2: This isn't just some Trump Maga engineered thing. The IOC

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Speaker 2: president Kirsty Coventry, who I've talked about before, she was

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Speaker 2: an actual athlete on the front lines, not just some beercrat.

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Speaker 2: She was actually a very decorated swimmer at Auburn and

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Speaker 2: an Olympic gold medalist and world record holder. And when

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Speaker 2: she became IOC president last year, she made it a

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Speaker 2: priority to look at this stuff, and she established a

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Speaker 2: working group that came from people from all five continents.

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Speaker 2: So this isn't just the IOC craving I mean caving

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Speaker 2: to Maga. I mean, you know some critics of this,

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Speaker 2: you know, are saying, oh, the IOC just craved to Maga.

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Speaker 2: Well on those five other continents, like Europe and so on.

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Speaker 2: They're not exactly the biggest Trump's hands. And this working

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Speaker 2: group included athletes giving feedback, and with the athletes there

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Speaker 2: was a strong consensus that this was a fairness and

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Speaker 2: safety issue.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what we've but people like us have

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Speaker 1: been arguing all along, and it looks like it is

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Speaker 1: finally taken root. Obviously, the Olympics are a big deal.

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Speaker 1: But how do you think, James Bogan, this will affect

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Speaker 1: the overall picture on this eighty twenty issue.

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Speaker 2: Well, this has to This trickles down to the sports

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Speaker 2: governing bodies that are feeders for Olympic teams. So I

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Speaker 2: mean USA swimming already has rules in place, you know,

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Speaker 2: the USA Track and so on. Any sport that feeds

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Speaker 2: into the Olympics at their respective national levels, they're going

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Speaker 2: to have to comply with this. They can't just have

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Speaker 2: some decide to send some trans swimmer biological mail to

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Speaker 2: the Olympics or something like that. And this isn't going

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Speaker 2: to affect pro sports or anything like that. That's a

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01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 2: separate legal issue. But on the Olympics sports level, which

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Speaker 2: in turn will affect college sports a lot. This is

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Speaker 2: really really turning the titan You know, the critics of

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Speaker 2: this are also claiming, Oh, it's going to be an

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Speaker 2: invasive gender test. No, it's a saliva or cheek swab

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Speaker 2: or at worst maybe a blood test, right for chromosomes?

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Speaker 1: Was I reading it correctly that there are some like

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Speaker 1: really really remote scientifically chromosomes or something like that.

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01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, only if it doesn't affect their performance at all.

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Speaker 2: That's basically what it comes down to. I don't want

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01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 2: to get into all that technical language and that quite frankly,

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Speaker 2: my head spins just reading it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, And I would guess that's a very

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Speaker 1: very very small minority of athletes that that would concern.

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Speaker 1: But did you last question on this? We'll move on.

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01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: Did you encounter any grumbling in writing or watch it

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01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: on the news from the left on this? Are there

1203
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: people out there on the left banging the drums saying

1204
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: how horrible this is?

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01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, the usual people saying, oh, the IOCs caving to MAGA,

1206
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 2: which come on, this is mostly countries that hate Trump, yep.

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01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 2: And you know they're saying, oh, they're going to have

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01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 2: invasive genital tests. That's why I point out the cheek

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01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: swab and saliva tests or those are the main ways

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Speaker 2: that's going to get tested, Yeah, for a chromosome. They're

1211
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 2: not looking at your genitals.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's you know, they're going to complain about anything. Again,

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01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: would point out the obvious that everybody knows is it's

1214
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 1: an eighty twenty issue. Let them keep complaining about it,

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01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: and you know, see what happens from there. Let me

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01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: let me kind of get another topic here. You are

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01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 1: a local attorney, criminal defense attorney, do a lot of

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01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: practice in the Hamilton County Municipal Court. Your thoughts this

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01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 1: week on the dismissal of the Travinsky case.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was expecting the city double down and

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01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:44,799
Speaker 2: go to trial.

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Speaker 8: And you know the thing it too.

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01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: Right after this downtown beatdown, that satire website The Babylon

1224
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 2: Bee had an article saying, quote, Cincinnati authorities worn white

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01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 2: visitors not to use their skulls to attack black fists.

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01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,080
Speaker 2: And the article included the quote saying, the sanctity of

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01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 2: our local black fists are at stake. And unfortunately, this

1228
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 2: outrageous satire article actually predicted the future. You had this

1229
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 2: guy who was absolutely beaten to hell and robbed, Alex

1230
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 2: Travinsky charged just to satisfy you know these this, these

1231
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 2: pandering politicians, and you know, I'm just surprised the mayor

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01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 2: didn't issue Who's Your Daddy proclamation after these this charge

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01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 2: with file. I mean, he couldn't go running to the

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01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 2: press fast enough to celebrate this, saying we've been clear

1235
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 2: about the fact that anyone involved in perportraying violence should

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01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 2: be held accountable. But when he was asked did he

1237
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 2: touch base with Holly, the woman who was blindsided, slugged,

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01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 2: knocked out cold, lying on the concrete, He had a

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01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 2: brain trauma, a concussion, visible injuries. When he asked did

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01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 2: he check with her to see how she was doing?

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01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: He said, quote, we have significantly other public safety challenges,

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01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 2: maybe trying to see because the sactity of black fists

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Speaker 2: were at stake.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, it's so obvious what this was

1245
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: all about. I mean, really, you could write the script.

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Speaker 1: You know, the whole thing happens. African Americans are arrested.

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01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 1: There were white people there, notably mister Travinsky, who were victims,

1248
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: got the snot beat out of him, and then you

1249
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Speaker 1: get the drum beat, why are they all black people?

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01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: Why didn't you charge any white people? Blah, blah blah

1251
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 1: blah blah, and you get a situation where the police

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01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 1: department people that make these decisions said, no, you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't want to file a charge. We don't think

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Speaker 1: it's valid. And our mutual friend Kip Guynan from the

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Speaker 1: prosecutor's office said the same thing. It's just blatant to me,

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Speaker 1: don't you.

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Speaker 2: Think Yeah, And the detectives on the case said there

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01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 2: should be no charges. That's my understanding. The City prosecutor's office,

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01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 2: the people in the City Prosecutor's office didn't recommend charges either.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the City Prosecutor's office actually instructs

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Speaker 2: officers not to avoid filing cross complaints. This has told

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01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: me by officers, and I talked to Ken Kober about

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Speaker 2: this some months back. He told me that when the

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Speaker 2: mayor was offered a chance to see the additional video,

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01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: the almost two minutes of footage before to slap, he

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01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 2: flat out refuses, basically like la la la, I can't

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01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 2: hear you. I want this is what I want to do.

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01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 2: And the thing is this put this order definitely came

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01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:48,440
Speaker 2: from above the City Prosecutor's office, because the City Prosecutor's

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01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 2: office is not independent like Connie Pillich at the County

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01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 2: Prosecutor's office, and someone above them put them in a

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Speaker 2: very tough position under the p professional rules.

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Speaker 1: Because you're right.

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01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 2: Because a prosecutor, under the ethics rules is mandated to

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01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 2: seek justice, not to win the convictions, to seek justice,

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01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 2: and they shall not pursue or prosecute a charge that

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Speaker 2: they know is not supported by problem cause. Ye. And

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Speaker 2: you know, Chief Henny, you know he when he was

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Speaker 2: a captain, he signed off on the complaint to you know,

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01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 2: follow on the sword for those two officers who are

1281
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 2: being put.

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Speaker 8: In a bad position.

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Speaker 2: But if you've been crossed, examined, understand, it would have

1284
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 2: been gone like this, Chief Henny, did you investigate this case?

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Speaker 8: No?

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01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 2: Did you watch any of this video before the charges

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01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 2: of were filed? No?

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01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's a big deal too, because, as you

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01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: just said, in order to sign those charges, you have

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01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 1: to have some knowledge about it, and I'm sure he

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01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: did have some. And I think, and I tell you what,

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01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,799
Speaker 1: I think he's doing a good job as acting chief,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, he was the fall guy on this thing.

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Speaker 8: And you know, man, he was doing it to take

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Speaker 8: a bullet.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't doing it out of any malicious reasons, Lewis,

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Speaker 2: If you want to blame anybody, blame those higher ups

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Speaker 2: of the city who were calling for our white people

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Speaker 2: be charged, using their positions under color of law to

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Speaker 2: do it. And Travinsky is I think he's going to

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Speaker 2: have a nice lawsuit.

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Speaker 1: I agree, And I was going to ask you about

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Speaker 1: that too. Uh do you think that is forthcoming? And

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the success of something like that, and

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Speaker 1: if you could explain it for our listeners, please, James,

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Speaker 1: how this could be a city or a civil case

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Speaker 1: where once again the city of Cincinnati gets tagged.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, a public official cannot, under color of law,

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Speaker 2: use their government position to violate someone's civil rights. And

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Speaker 2: here you had city leaders totally clamoring for charge a

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Speaker 2: charge here against you know, someone who's white, and they

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Speaker 2: were pushing in and pushing and pushing it. And the

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Speaker 2: funny thing is where this kind of thing used to happen,

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Speaker 2: used to be by white politicians in the South against

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Speaker 2: black right And that's where you're gonna have your civil

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Speaker 2: rights complaint there. And you know, as far as success,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is gonna be it's gonna be pretty

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Speaker 2: interesting watching the city try defend how they did, how

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Speaker 2: they came to this decision. They're probably going to be

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Speaker 2: doing a lot of finger pointing, going not I, not I,

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Speaker 2: not I, and trying to you know, more not fingerpointing,

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Speaker 2: more misdirecting to try to keep it from getting who

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Speaker 2: made the ultimate decision, because it wasn't. The good people

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Speaker 2: on the front lines were not the ones who made

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Speaker 2: the decisions here. If anything, the good people on the

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Speaker 2: front lines were actually.

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Speaker 8: Overruled by the politicians.

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Speaker 2: Which is the only time this has happened in the

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Speaker 2: city's history.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and both prosecutors, the city and county apparently

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Speaker 1: said the same thing too.

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Speaker 2: So a Democrat prosecutor's offer, right.

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, do you have any inside knowledge as

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Speaker 1: to who is going to represent him in that civil action?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: If it is for.

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Speaker 2: Lawyer, the lawyer who defended him also the civil suits,

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Speaker 2: and I believe he's going to be handling it. And

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Speaker 2: you know, I've heard him talk about this and he

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Speaker 2: he's definitely on top of this case. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be I'm looking forward to seeing his work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. How many times does the city of Cincinnati have

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01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: to get tagged civilly for big, big bucks before they learn.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's really incredible. And they're staring down the

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Speaker 1: barrel of a thirty million dollar deficit. It's just incredible.

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Speaker 1: Chief Fiji, she's going to rack him up the fire,

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01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 1: Chief Chief Washington, he's going to rack him up. This

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Speaker 1: is kind of unprecedented, I think. But you know that's

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Speaker 1: the way they want to spend your money. They want

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Speaker 1: to spend their money.

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Speaker 8: Yep.

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Speaker 2: They're just thinking about satisfy, pandering to their base, and

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Speaker 2: that's that.

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Speaker 1: Yep. I agree with you. Hey, you advised me and

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Speaker 1: I saw it too, but you gave me some stuff

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Speaker 1: in writing on it. Chuck Norris, beloved guy in this

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Speaker 1: country died on the nineteenth of March, and you sent

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Speaker 1: me something, James, where this guy William Earle, I don't

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Speaker 1: even know who he is, the criticism of Chuck Norris, who,

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Speaker 1: by the way, and you can look it up if

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Speaker 1: you don't believe me, did all kinds of things for charity.

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Speaker 1: Tell my listeners about that, because it hit me pretty hard.

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Speaker 2: Well. As first of all, as far as Chuck Norris,

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Speaker 2: we know he's a legend, and you know you've heard

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01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 2: those truths about Chuck Norris. Well, there are people saying

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01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 2: Chuck Norris carried the casket at his.

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Speaker 8: Own funeral and gave his own eulogy.

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Speaker 2: There's also the Chuck Norris truth that he was one

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Speaker 2: fitten by a cobra and after writhing around in pain

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Speaker 2: for five days, the cobra died. But anyway, Chuck Norris's charity,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's part of the USO traveled to military

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Speaker 2: basis and overseas Iraq, Afghanistan so onto boost troop morale.

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Speaker 2: He supports causes like adoption, foster parenting. He's been active

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Speaker 2: with Make a Wish, Saint Jude's Children's Research Hospital, habit

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Speaker 2: At for Humanity, and he's a very unabashed Christian and

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Speaker 2: conservative and that's why this idiot decided to attack him.

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Speaker 2: He and he came out with this article the day

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Speaker 2: that Chuck norris Is death was announced. I mean, that

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Speaker 2: is absolutely sickening. Well, Joey Swole, the well known fitness influencer,

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Speaker 2: he called him out right away, saying, stop trying to

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Speaker 2: further divide people and drive this idea that you have

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01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 2: to hate someone that thinks differently than you and using

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Speaker 2: the passing of Chuck Norse to do this is lower

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01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 2: than low shame on you do better, which Joey Swold's

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Speaker 2: famous lines do better. But he criticized Norris's movie and

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Speaker 2: TV roles, saying they were about an all American loner,

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Speaker 2: ex military expert who has to take the law into

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01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 2: his own hands. Criticize his TV series, Walker Texas Ranger

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01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:20,880
Speaker 2: for pushing the quote cop agenda and turning a blind

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Speaker 2: eye to crooked cops when actually, you know, I've watched

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Speaker 2: this show. I used to watch this show. He actually

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Speaker 2: had a couple of episodes where he did take down

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01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 2: crooked cops. One of them was played by Lee Majors,

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Speaker 2: the guy who's six million dollar man, and remember him.

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Speaker 2: And you know, he said, quote given our nation's divisions

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Speaker 2: and morality information literally in overall sense of reality, it's

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01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:48,240
Speaker 2: easier to see Norris's characters as justification for a fringe

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Speaker 2: conspiracy movement than a moral standing. And he said, when

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Speaker 2: a star as the poster boy for American exceptionalism and might,

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Speaker 2: at what point does his legacy transition from escapism to

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01:21:59,479 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 2: dangerous apaganda. I mean, you'd have to be a that's

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01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 2: just ignorant movies. It's entertainment. And if you watch a

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Speaker 2: Chuck Norris movie. I mean, his movies were very fun

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01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 2: to watch. If you watch one of his movies and

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01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 2: think this is real life, I mean you need to

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Speaker 2: go get your head checked.

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Speaker 1: Yep. Let me ask you, James, who is and this?

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Speaker 1: I got one question? It more question after this? Who

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01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 1: is this guy? I mean, I've never heard of for

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01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:28,240
Speaker 1: he's a.

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Speaker 2: Writer for Variety, which is one of the Hollywood magazines,

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01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 2: you know, part of the Hollywood groups thinking you know,

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Speaker 2: Joey was starting with Joey Swoll and other people like that.

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Speaker 2: He just absolutely got roasted on the internet. You haven't

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01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 2: seen a whole lot of other liberals trying to go

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Speaker 2: after Chuck Norris. I mean, and you know what's funny

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01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 2: is Stephen King, that far left nut job who went

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01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 2: after Charlie Kirk after his death. He actually he must

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01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 2: have learned his lesson from that, because he actually came

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01:22:57,920 --> 01:22:59,759
Speaker 2: out speaking very well of Chuck Norris.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully he learned a lesson. Well, that's just it's

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01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: just an abomination. But hey, there are your lefties. I mean,

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01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, they know more than anyone and feel it's

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01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: just to criticize somebody who does all the things that

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Speaker 1: he did for the community, James, or out of time.

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Speaker 1: But before we go, I want you to tell my

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Speaker 1: listeners about your podcast where they can hear it and

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's called Past the Clock. It's on Apple, Ihearten, Spotify,

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01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 2: and actually my two upcoming episodes this month, I'm going

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01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 2: to be focusing on some fun topics, so get away

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01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 2: from the stuff we're hearing about on the news lately.

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01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 2: But that's where you can find it. And usually my

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01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 2: episodes come out bi weekly, but i've been I'm a

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Speaker 2: little bit of an odd schedule because my trial schedule.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha? Hey, I appreciate it, James as always, and

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01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 1: hope we can call on you again.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks Michael. He's a privileged happy Easter.

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Speaker 1: You too, buddy. Thank you? All right, Chuck Norris, I mean,

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01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:08,759
Speaker 1: come on, man, you want to get on his back

1441
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 1: with all the things he does. But hey, like I said,

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01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: a lot of lefties out there that feel it's their

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01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: province to do that. Anyway, we got to take a break.

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Speaker 1: But when we get back, I wait for this segment.

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Speaker 1: When I get in here at nine o'clock, we're gonna

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01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 1: talk Reds baseball. Good night last night. But maybe some

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Speaker 1: more problems on the injury front, and we will talk

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Speaker 1: to our man, Davi d Armbrewster about that when we

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Speaker 1: get back. Mike Allen Saturday midday and the Kendles and

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Speaker 1: yoga instructor. Hey, we're back, Mike Allen, Saturday Midday. Well,

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Speaker 1: a good night for the boys last night with a

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01:24:56,560 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 1: five to three win over the Tech Rangers. They really

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01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 1: looked good last night. Home runs, three of them Elie Spencer,

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01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:10,920
Speaker 1: Steer and Tyler Stevenson. The win goes to Tony Santion.

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Speaker 1: I just checked and he's got some innings pitched. He

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01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: has an ERA of zero four innings pitched, so that's

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01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. The same two go out of tonight in

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01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:29,719
Speaker 1: Texas at seven oh five. Rhett Louder versus Kumar Rocker

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01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 1: not familiar with them at all, here to talk about

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Speaker 1: it is our guy for all things Cincinnati Reds. David

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Speaker 1: at R and Brewster. The boys looked pretty good last night,

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Speaker 1: didn't they?

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Speaker 17: They did. And the good news, Mike, is more than anything,

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Speaker 17: it's the home runs. Yeah, because this team has struggled.

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01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 17: It's good, especially last year they were near the bottom

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01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,719
Speaker 17: of home runs. Right now they have nine that is good.

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Speaker 17: And the really big news for me is the fact

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Speaker 17: that the bottom of the order really came through, and

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Speaker 17: that was Steer and Stevenson, the two guys that have

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Speaker 17: been struggling, no doubt about it until this point. So

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Speaker 17: if maybe this gets them going, and maybe it gets

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Speaker 17: a team going, because when you look at the Red's lineup,

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Speaker 17: you see the bottom of the lineup and it hasn't

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Speaker 17: done a whole lot. It's got to pick up if

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Speaker 17: this team's going to win some games.

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Speaker 1: No question about it. Ellie's already got three home runs

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01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: this year. Do you think he's coming to the plate

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01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 1: with kind of a different philosophy or approach.

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Speaker 17: Well, I think it helps. It's who's sitting around him.

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Speaker 17: I think it's probably the same approach. But now you

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01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 17: when you have you know, McLean hit in front of you,

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Speaker 17: although McLean let off yesterday and then South Stewart and

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01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 17: au Hannioswuarez hits behind you, you get a little more

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Speaker 17: some more pitches they hit, and so I think that's

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Speaker 17: the big part of it as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's looking real good so far, you know,

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Speaker 1: with respect to the pitching, I guess okay, we got

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Speaker 1: rt Louder going today. What do you look for in

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Speaker 1: him the game at seven oh five.

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Speaker 17: Well, he pitched good last time out, so I think

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01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 17: Red Ladder will be fine. I think the run thing

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01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:09,919
Speaker 17: right now you've got to be concerned with the starters

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01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 17: is to get a little distance out of them. You know,

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Speaker 17: I like to see him if he can go into

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01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 17: the at least a fifth inning, maybe the sixth inning today,

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01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 17: that would help because you're already using your bullpen a

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01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 17: bunch so far this season. They've done a decent job,

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01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 17: but you can't have starters only go four or five

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01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 17: innings every game. He's just going to burn the bullpen

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Speaker 17: out like it did last year. We talked about that

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Speaker 17: a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't really matter at this point, but

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01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: just to let people know. In the NL Central, the

1504
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 1: Reds are there three and three, as are the Chicago Cubs,

1505
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 1: Saint Louis four and two, and you know, no surprise

1506
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:53,240
Speaker 1: here Milwaukee Brewers five and one. I mean, I don't know.

1507
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: Obviously I would have hoped that they're a little bit

1508
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 1: better for and three at this point, but I guess

1509
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: it's not bad, no, and it's early. I mean, you.

1510
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 17: The wins still count this time of year as they

1511
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:07,720
Speaker 17: do in September, so you want to win as many

1512
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:10,200
Speaker 17: as you can. But you know, the Brewers only have

1513
01:28:10,240 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 17: one more win in the win column, one more game

1514
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 17: in the win column than the Reds do, so you

1515
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 17: can make that ground up easier. And believe me, they

1516
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,920
Speaker 17: got a lot of games against the Milwaukee Brewers this season,

1517
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 17: so there's plenty of time. The key now is just

1518
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 17: win win series when every game you can, you split.

1519
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 17: Or you lost the series to the to the Pirates,

1520
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 17: which was kind of a bummer. I think they win

1521
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 17: that game won. You got to win one of the

1522
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:37,840
Speaker 17: next two and leave the first homestand with a four

1523
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 17: to two record.

1524
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: It didn't happen, So you just move on. You know

1525
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people are speculating that the Pirates may

1526
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: be contenders this year. They seem like a different team.

1527
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you think?

1528
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 17: Well, they certainly have the pitching right and that's the

1529
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 17: thing that'll keep them in the in contention the three

1530
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:00,120
Speaker 17: seventy one era as a team for the Pirates in

1531
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 17: the Red saw that first hand that Paul Skeins is

1532
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 17: a good pitcher. So yeah, I mean they can will

1533
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,680
Speaker 17: their offense hold up. I don't know. I kind of

1534
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 17: doubt that. I think at the when it all shakes out,

1535
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 17: they'll still be fourth in the division. So we'll see

1536
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 17: what happens a long season. But right now, yeah, they

1537
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:19,720
Speaker 17: got a shot because they have pitching, you.

1538
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:23,760
Speaker 1: Know, with the UH I guess expected unfortunately walk out

1539
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:27,880
Speaker 1: that may probably will occur after the season. I think

1540
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Brewers are a pretty good argument that you know,

1541
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: low low, I don't want to say low value, but

1542
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:39,639
Speaker 1: teams that don't make that much money can do pretty

1543
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: good and be competitive. What do you think, well they do?

1544
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,600
Speaker 17: And the Brewers have showed that for the past what

1545
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 17: half a decade anyway, that they can with a small

1546
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 17: payroll in a small market, that you can contend year

1547
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 17: in and year out. Whether or not you can actually

1548
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 17: win a World Series, you have to be determined because

1549
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:00,240
Speaker 17: they tend to get eliminated early. But you're there, you

1550
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,559
Speaker 17: have a shot. You make the postseason, then anything is possible.

1551
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 17: And they've proved that you can, you know, and I

1552
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 17: think the Reds they made the postseason last year, Mike,

1553
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 17: they've done that. I think they've done everything right this offseason.

1554
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:15,439
Speaker 17: I mean, do you want more. Sure, would you have

1555
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 17: liked that the money that was going to go to

1556
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 17: Schwarburg could spent on somebody else? Sure, but they did

1557
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:24,040
Speaker 17: what they did. I think right now the team's in

1558
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:26,040
Speaker 17: decent shape to win the division.

1559
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 1: So we'll see.

1560
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 17: I mean, and I think the Reds, if they're in

1561
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,839
Speaker 17: contention at the trade deadline, they'll be willing to spend

1562
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:37,000
Speaker 17: because you only got such a small window to win

1563
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 17: in baseball, especially when you're the size of Cincinnati, right,

1564
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 17: So if you're in contention, I think they'll open the pocketbooks,

1565
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 17: and I think they'll go get players to help this

1566
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 17: team over the top.

1567
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 1: I really do. I agree with you. I know mister

1568
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 1: Castelini wants to see at least a division championship, and

1569
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: I agree with you. If there's somebody out there, they'll

1570
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 1: probably go get them. But onto the kind of bad

1571
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: news department here. Nick Gladolo still isn't over the blister stuff.

1572
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: He was pulled from a start and single ay Daytona.

1573
01:31:09,400 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how many innings he went. Let me

1574
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: ask you, how concerned are you about him and the

1575
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: history of blisters, And if you could, you'd explain why

1576
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: that's such Obviously it's a problem because it affects the throwing.

1577
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: But how do you get one of those? He seems

1578
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: to be it seems to be pretty prevalent with him. Yeah,

1579
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 1: and they ask your first question.

1580
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 17: I believe he went two and two thirds against When

1581
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 17: he pitched that rehip start in Daytona and retired the

1582
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 17: first eight batters, he was looking good and then he

1583
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 17: threw a pitch, looked down, looked at his blister, and

1584
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 17: that was it.

1585
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: Walked away.

1586
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 17: Was back in Arlington, Texas last night. Talked with the

1587
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 17: team and the trainers and all that. Mike, he's been

1588
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:56,120
Speaker 17: dealing with this forever, even going back to probably his

1589
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 17: college days. He's had it. And I know they have

1590
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 17: tried everything, you know, the blister forms that tries to

1591
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 17: call us over, and it's just it's so hard for

1592
01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 17: him to get the great grip on his ball when

1593
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 17: he has that blister, and that's the biggest thing, and

1594
01:32:11,160 --> 01:32:14,920
Speaker 17: it's just an oddity. I mean, they have tried everything,

1595
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 17: and he just can't. He just can't seem to shake it.

1596
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 17: And in Arizona, you notice that Brady Singer also got

1597
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,600
Speaker 17: one that only affected him for his one start in Arizona.

1598
01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 17: But with that dry air in the heat out there.

1599
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 17: I think that affects it as well, because you're not

1600
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 17: a whole lot of humidity. As far as why he

1601
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,040
Speaker 17: gets them, well, I don't know. I think they've asked

1602
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 17: every doctor they could possibly find, and there's just no reason.

1603
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 17: There's no explanation for it. He just has to do

1604
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 17: what he does and hopes it goes away and he

1605
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 17: can start here in a couple of weeks.

1606
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 1: Do you think it maybe his delivery, Maybe he's got

1607
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 1: something that's doing it that way. I don't think so.

1608
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 1: I don't think it is.

1609
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 17: I think it's just simply something with his fingers, and

1610
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 17: because I know they've tried to change some of that

1611
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 17: as well, it's just reoccurring now. Last year he had

1612
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 17: it a bit but only missed what a couple starts maybe,

1613
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:14,719
Speaker 17: So hopefully that's the case. He misses a few starts

1614
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:16,519
Speaker 17: at the beginning and then he's fined the rest of

1615
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 17: the season and that's the only thing we can hope for,

1616
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 17: and hopefully that happens. I mean, I don't see him

1617
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 17: missing a whole month or two months because of a blister.

1618
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, we need him in there. I guess we'll have

1619
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: to see what happens. Hey, a really good, really good

1620
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: article in the Let's see which blog is. It's one

1621
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: of the plugs blog red Machine, entitled that Reds must

1622
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:44,960
Speaker 1: build a cushion in April before brutal September reality hits.

1623
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: And man, you talk about brutal, I've got here somewhere.

1624
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean, September is going to be tough for them,

1625
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: It really is. They opened September with two games against

1626
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: the Padres before and then the Milwaukee Brewers come to town.

1627
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 1: Then they head out the Chavez Ravie the Los Angeles Dodgers,

1628
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,720
Speaker 1: pretty good team for a three game set against the

1629
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 1: Dodgers and then another trip with Milwaukee. So I didn't

1630
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 1: realize that until I read this, man. And the point

1631
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:22,440
Speaker 1: is they got to build up some wins and hopefully

1632
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: a lead because they're going to have a tough September.

1633
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 17: There's no question every team they play in September. I

1634
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,000
Speaker 17: believe we're in the playoffs last year. Really, so you

1635
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 17: need to do You need to build up a cushion

1636
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 17: before you get there. And that's just, you know, that's

1637
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:41,479
Speaker 17: the reality of situation. Whether the schedule makers like him

1638
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 17: or not, who's nose, but I think a trip to

1639
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 17: the West Coast in September. They did that last year

1640
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 17: as well. That kind of sucks, to be honest with you.

1641
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 17: You know they have to go out there. But that's

1642
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 17: what the schedule is. You just play the games in

1643
01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 17: front of you. You got to stay in contention the

1644
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 17: whole time. Again, games right now count as much as

1645
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 17: the games in September. We've seen that before. So you

1646
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 17: can't have wasted months. You can't have losing months. You

1647
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 17: have to have a winning record each month and then

1648
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 17: take your chances.

1649
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 1: I want to ask you this. I've always wondered, how

1650
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: is the schedule in the offseason developed? I mean, is

1651
01:35:21,320 --> 01:35:24,440
Speaker 1: it all at random or who sits down and determines

1652
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 1: who plays who?

1653
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 17: Well, going back, I don't know. It probably just changed.

1654
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 17: Maybe ten years ago. It used to be I believe

1655
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:36,000
Speaker 17: two people actually set down with a pen and paper

1656
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 17: and did it by hand. Oh ever and ever, now

1657
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:42,800
Speaker 17: it's all computerized. But you have to factor in a

1658
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 17: bunch of stuff like the reds always are at home

1659
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 17: and Opening Day, the Red Sox always play at home

1660
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 17: on Patriots Day, and so everybody has a few dates

1661
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 17: that have to be home games, and they have to

1662
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 17: work around things like what's in town? Is there a

1663
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 17: constant at your stadium in September? Can you not play there?

1664
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:07,280
Speaker 17: That kind of stuff. So it's it's pretty complicated, but

1665
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 17: they do it. I'm sure they're working on next year's

1666
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,919
Speaker 17: schedule right now because it usually comes out in August.

1667
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's a long process. Hey. Keeping on the

1668
01:36:16,520 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 1: topic of pitching, I think the Reds are expected to

1669
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 1: face nine straight right handers. What hitter do you expect

1670
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 1: to break out and be the hot bat over those

1671
01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: nine games?

1672
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 17: Well, I meant Matt McLean has looked good so far.

1673
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 17: I think Ellie has really looked good against the right

1674
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,280
Speaker 17: It's a shame it's not left handers, because Ellie already

1675
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 17: has a couple of home runs I know, batting right handed,

1676
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 17: which is a good news for the Reds. You know,

1677
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 17: right now, I still think your hot bats are McLean.

1678
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 17: You like to see somebody like TJ. Friedel start to

1679
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,800
Speaker 17: pick up the pace a little bit hitting against right

1680
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 17: here and the other guy. I tell you that the

1681
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 17: one guy is noelvi Marte. He actually has reverse splits,

1682
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:10,240
Speaker 17: which means he hits better against right handers and left handers.

1683
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 17: Is the right handed better, but I want to see

1684
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 17: him go kick it into gear. I like to see

1685
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,480
Speaker 17: him in the lineup every single day, right he's or lefties,

1686
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 17: and just see what he does. Right now, it's been

1687
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 17: kind of a mixed bag. We just see Will Benson

1688
01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 17: out there instead of him against the right handers. Sometimes

1689
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 17: I like to see what he could do on an

1690
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:33,639
Speaker 17: everyday basis where it's just like, Okay, Noelvie, this is yours.

1691
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 17: We're not pulling you out of right field. Let me

1692
01:37:36,479 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 17: see what you can do for the next month, and

1693
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:39,840
Speaker 17: then we'll make decisions.

1694
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 1: We should kind of wait and see. I guess how

1695
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 1: that goes. Hey, I'm just getting the word. Need to

1696
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 1: wrap it up. One more question real quick. Who is

1697
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 1: the standout player for the Red so far this year?

1698
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:56,839
Speaker 17: The standout player for the Red so far? Well, South Stewart,

1699
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 17: It's not even close. Yeah, he's bat in three ninety.

1700
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,600
Speaker 17: I know he went oh for yesterday, but overall he

1701
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 17: has played very well for this team. And hey, I'm

1702
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:07,800
Speaker 17: going to give a salute. L s three home runs

1703
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:10,600
Speaker 17: already and he needs to pick up the pace. I

1704
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:13,040
Speaker 17: like to see him have a thirty thirty five home

1705
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:13,679
Speaker 17: run season.

1706
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely, hey, listen, really, I appreciate it yet, and I

1707
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:20,160
Speaker 1: hope we can call on you next Saturday. You got it, Mike,

1708
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:23,679
Speaker 1: Thanks buddy, Okay, bye bye. Yeah. I think they're doing

1709
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:26,639
Speaker 1: pretty good so far. I gotta get a few more

1710
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 1: wins until they have to go September. Boy, that's rough

1711
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 1: that schedule. Hey, listen, we're out of time, which means

1712
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Mike Allen seven hundred WLW