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Speaker 2: I'm going easy Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 3: I am delighted to be joined by the former governor

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Speaker 3: of New Hampshire, along with John Lynch, the only other

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Speaker 3: governor to be elected to four terms in the state

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Speaker 3: of New Hampshire, Chris Sununu. Chris is now the President

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Speaker 3: and CEO of Airlines for America. Governor, welcome back, How

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Speaker 3: are you well.

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Speaker 2: Look?

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Speaker 1: I love former Governor John Lynch. He's a great guy,

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Speaker 1: but my four terms were a lot more eventual than his.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he says the same thing every time I talked

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Speaker 3: to him as well. So you are off to another adventure.

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Speaker 3: Many people thought you were going to be. Perhaps I'm

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Speaker 3: running for the Senate. Your brother is now running for

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Speaker 3: the Republican nomination in New Hampshire. And you are the

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Speaker 3: President and CEO of Airlines for America, which is a

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Speaker 3: trade is sociation. And also, I guess you have to

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Speaker 3: do a little bit of lobbying out there. Tell Us.

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Speaker 3: I was even I saw that you had become the

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Speaker 3: president and CEO. This group's been around for a while

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Speaker 3: since nineteen thirty six. I had never heard of it

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Speaker 1: So let me tell you something. I had never heard

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Speaker 1: didn't know a whole lot about it myself. It's been

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Speaker 1: out of DC, where basically anything the airlines agree on,

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Speaker 1: which sometimes isn't a lot because they're so competitive, right

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Speaker 1: they always you know, they're fighting for every last customer.

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Speaker 1: But anything they agree on, whether it's regulatory issues, lobbying issues,

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Speaker 1: things that comes under our belt, so to say. And

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Speaker 1: so I was kind of surprised when I knew some

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Speaker 1: of the CEOs of the airlines. This organization has the

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Speaker 1: nine largest airlines technically also FedEx, UPS and Atlas. They

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Speaker 1: America's largest and most common air carriers, and then the

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Speaker 1: nine CEOs. We're in an organization about eighty people. There

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Speaker 1: is lobby I'm not really I'm not a registered lobbyist,

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Speaker 1: but I'm in charge of the lobbyists. Is the way

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Speaker 1: I put it, I work with the White House, I

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Speaker 1: work with Secretary Duffy and the FAA over the Department

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Speaker 1: of Transportation. It's I got to tell you, I'm loving it.

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Speaker 1: I like it a lot more than I thought I would.

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Speaker 1: I'm down in DC, which is a tough town, a

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Speaker 1: town that I normally am pretty a pretty big cynic,

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Speaker 1: of a healthy cynic. I think, as I like to say,

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Speaker 1: because they don't do enough. And I think, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I took the job right before the first shutdown in

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Speaker 1: October uh and then we have this shut down which

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Speaker 1: is massively effective the industry. So in six months, the

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Speaker 1: governments and has been effectively screwing over the airline to

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Speaker 1: more often than not. And the question is, boy, is

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Speaker 1: this is the new norm? Because it all they're doing

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Speaker 1: with their their silly partisan Paul is penalizing the American public.

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Speaker 1: I airlines have nothing to do with their disputes, but

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Speaker 1: we're like this punching bag, if you will, this leverage

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Speaker 1: they try to hold over the American people to get

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Speaker 1: what they want. It's a very bizarre circumstance. And hopefully

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Speaker 1: solutions come into everybody's way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, the sentence on recess until I guess

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Speaker 3: the week after Easter, so they're away for two weeks.

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Speaker 1: In that convenience. Yeah, convenience. The government is still partially

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that it's interesting at this point

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Speaker 3: thess TSA agents are funded for how long at least

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So they're only funded because of the president's executive order.

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Speaker 1: You know, he gave Congress four or five weeks, and

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Speaker 3: Well, my understanding is that the TSA agents who are

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Speaker 3: sure you know, are get a lot of hassle from

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Speaker 1: No, you're right. The average is about just under fifty thousand.

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Speaker 1: That's the national average. So yeah, if you have more

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Speaker 1: That's not a lot of money for all the pressure

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Speaker 1: you're dealing with, all this pressure, high stress, job security,

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Speaker 1: paying for it. I mean, it's just it's so bad

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Speaker 1: got to pay these guys. If you're forcing them to

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Speaker 3: Well, I was watching I was watching one of the

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Speaker 3: think it was Heines from Connecticut who was criticizing President Trump,

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Speaker 3: saying what he did was unconstitutional because we're the keepers

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Speaker 3: And it seems that the roles are getting reversed here.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. And and the unions, I mean, the unions

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Speaker 1: so it is definitely a bit of a role reversal.

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Speaker 1: A lot of working class folks are finally kind of saying, well,

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Speaker 1: I've worked with all the different unions in terms of

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Speaker 1: we don't agree all the time, but we work, especially

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Speaker 1: when there's government shutdowns, we unify. We have a unified message.

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Speaker 1: And I was with the head of the team, Sir Sean.

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Speaker 3: He's a he's a great bran.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's a great guy. Uh local, right, a

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Speaker 1: as governor, he and I kind of mixed it up

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Speaker 1: to listen to where the values and of the membership are.

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Speaker 1: You represent them. It doesn't mean you always have to

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Speaker 1: they're saying we're not paying our TSA agents. Today they're

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Speaker 1: still saying it. I mean, it still hasn't passed. Guys.

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Speaker 1: The technically government is still in a partial shutdown. We're

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Speaker 1: only avoiding now all the airline hassles because of the president.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and we're very thankful that he stood up

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Speaker 1: can't keep asking these people to go to work because

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Speaker 1: eventually they're just going to stop. I mean, in mass

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Speaker 1: also saw what nearly five hundred people quit just in

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Speaker 1: incentivize people to enter this industry. It's a great industry.

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Speaker 1: But that the government I think. I I was on

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Speaker 3: You know. Talk talking about Sean O'Brien, I know that

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Speaker 3: none other than Sean O'Brien. So, I mean, that's that

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Speaker 3: was an interesting juxtaposition. The two of them were almost gonna, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, because yeah, that was more than a dust stop.

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Speaker 1: They were literally going to go out and fight. It

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Speaker 3: Tough as O'Brien is, I would have been a little

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Speaker 3: worried about my friend Sean going up against the guy

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Speaker 3: who's an MMA fighter, that's for sure. Look, when we

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Speaker 3: get that, I want to talk. I want to I

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Speaker 3: do want to ask you about the comments that were

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Speaker 3: made today by the Delta Airline or yesterday by the

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Speaker 3: Delta Airline CEO at Bastion, basically ripping Congress and saying

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Speaker 3: that their perks are going are no longer going to

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Speaker 3: be honored by Delta Airlines. But more importantly, when I

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Speaker 3: was looking around today, I didn't realize you actually hiked

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Speaker 3: the Appellationian Trail from Maine to Joy What you you were?

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Speaker 1: Dan, We've been Dan, We've been talking for ten fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: You're just getting around to that part of the Wikipedia page.

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Speaker 3: My question then, is, other than you know some liberal Democrats,

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Speaker 3: did you run into any any problems on the trail?

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Speaker 3: You know, a bear or something like that or anything

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Speaker 1: I had to wrestle a couple of grizzlies to the ground,

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Speaker 1: but I don't like to brag about it.

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Speaker 3: No, Okay, that's good, no problem, And that that was

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Speaker 3: That's quite a walk, that.

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Speaker 1: Twenty two hundred miles Yeah, I lived in the woods

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Speaker 1: it took me just over five months.

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Speaker 3: And in all seriousness, you know, obviously did you run

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Speaker 3: into any you know and any any I got?

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Speaker 3: We're talking with former New Hampshire Governor Christan Nunu. Served

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Speaker 3: But I was very pleased to hear him say that,

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Speaker 1: A terrific move. It's a terrific move because it says

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Speaker 1: And finally, Ed very smartly, said enough, you can't. You

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm thinking that that if if I was running

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Speaker 1: Well, that that's the that's the kind of special privilege

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Speaker 1: Maybe we start talking they don't get paid during shutdowns,

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Speaker 1: maybe we start finally talking about campaign finance reform, so

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Speaker 3: I think that not being paid in shutdown term limits.

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Speaker 1: There that's a bunch of it's a little correct, but

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Speaker 1: They're absolutely responsible for this.

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Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense. This is what I've been told them.

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Speaker 3: So how do I know what role I.

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Speaker 3: And you know, when we bought, you know, when you

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I'm talking about a real duffel bag, like one.

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Speaker 2: Of the military bag or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that you know, a.

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Speaker 3: Long time ago. Uh, the grateful nation allowed me to

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Speaker 3: use one. Anyway, we're going to take a break. We'll

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Speaker 3: take some phone calls as well, and we'll we'll hit

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Speaker 3: whatever topics you want. We're with Chris Sinunu, a familiar voice,

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Speaker 3: certainly here in New England and also nationally, former New

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Speaker 3: Hampshire governor who stepped away from the political rat race

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Speaker 3: and is now president and CEO of Airlines for America,

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Speaker 3: another very important job. And he's answered my questions if

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Speaker 3: you have some questions or comments. Six one, seven, two, five,

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Speaker 3: four ten, thirty six one seven nine three, one ten thirty.

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Speaker 3: We'll start it off with Bernie from New Hampshire right

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Speaker 3: after the quick newscast. Here at the bottom of the.

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Speaker 2: Hour, you're on night Side with Dan Ray. I'm w

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Speaker 2: b Z, Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 3: My guest is Chris Sinunu, former governor of New Hampshire,

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Speaker 3: now the president and CEO of Airlines for America, and

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Speaker 3: it's been an interesting time for airlines. Governor. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: to some people here six one, seven, two, five, four

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Speaker 3: ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty.

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Speaker 3: Let me first off, go to Bernie in New Hampshire. Bernie,

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Speaker 3: you a first this hour, first tonight with your former

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Speaker 3: governor Chris snoon. Go ahead, Bernie.

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Speaker 4: Good evening, Dan, go to evening governor Sonulu. How are

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Speaker 4: you doing tonight, Good evening, number one. It's uh. It's

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Speaker 4: a cool place that I have had you as a

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Speaker 4: public servant in New Hampshire. You did an outstanding job.

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Speaker 4: You conservative politics by being able to cross party lines

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Speaker 4: and get things done, you know, and and you should

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Speaker 4: be proud of what you did, and I'm sure you are.

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Speaker 4: And I'm hoping that the next that our next settler

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Speaker 4: comes from one of either one of them, two guys

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Speaker 4: that both great candidates, your brother Anne Scott Brown. And

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Speaker 4: I just want to say I grew up in the

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Speaker 4: city that your wife grew up and I developed a

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Speaker 4: lot of characters in that city and integrity and intolerance

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Speaker 4: and and and and I'm and I'm proud of that,

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Speaker 4: you know. And I moved to New Hampshire about thirty

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Speaker 4: years ago, and I've had an opportunity to raise my

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Speaker 4: twin boy and girl, Hare and uh, I have something

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Speaker 4: in common. My son chose to join the military, and

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Speaker 4: he could have done anything, you know, he was an

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Speaker 4: outstanding athlete and a very good student, and he chose

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Speaker 4: to uh get into that, to do that and service country.

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Speaker 4: And I know your son also did it. And I'm

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Speaker 4: proud of my son, and I'm proud of your son.

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Speaker 4: But you're just such such a brought of fresh air

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Speaker 4: in politics or even when you're talking about the airlines.

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Speaker 4: People people don't want to solve problems. They want to

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Speaker 4: look at them. They want to look at the problem,

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Speaker 4: make the problem the problem instead of the solutions to

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Speaker 4: the problem. And you you, you're like that brought the

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Speaker 4: fresh air that wants to find a solution to the problem,

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Speaker 4: and I commend you for that.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Bernie, I I, uh, let's let Bernie talk all

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Speaker 1: night about how I appreciated body and thank.

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Speaker 3: You you do that in common your son. I think

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Speaker 3: Chris is is potentially could be deployed depending upon circumstances,

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Speaker 3: and I think Bernie's son is in the same vote

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Speaker 3: at this point, correct, Bernie, Yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, it's something you kind of

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Speaker 1: take on as a parent when when your your kids

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Speaker 1: stand up, you know, come in and say, hey, I

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Speaker 1: want to help defend the and it's it's awesome, it's

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Speaker 1: scary right as a parent, but it's also on their responsibility.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if if called upon Bernie's Bernie's kids,

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Speaker 1: my kids, they'll they'll go over, they'll do their best,

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Speaker 1: they'll defend the country, they'll do great, they'll come home

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Speaker 1: safe and uh and all will be well. And we

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Speaker 1: should just be thankful that we have we have we

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Speaker 1: still have kids like that that understand what the importance

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Speaker 1: of what it means to stand up and fight every

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Speaker 1: single day and have people fight for our freedoms. It's

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Speaker 1: it's awesome, but but yeah, look, you know politicians that

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Speaker 1: tell you that the Uh, the well, the numbers don't

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Speaker 1: work out. Uh, this issue can't be done.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate where you're coming from, but I just can't

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Speaker 1: get anyone to support me. That is bogus. There's always

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Speaker 1: a path, it's just whether the politician is willing to

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Speaker 1: put themselves in the line, expend a little political capital

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Speaker 1: and kind of challenge this new way. It's populism politics, right,

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Speaker 1: that's what we call it now, populism politics where it's

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Speaker 1: a headline. It's the fight that takes priority over the solution.

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Speaker 1: But what these guys got it all wrong. If you

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Speaker 1: do good work, you provide solutions, you win your elections.

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Speaker 1: If you're worried about winning an election, doing a really

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Speaker 1: good job, it's probably the best thing you can do

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Speaker 1: to ensure you get reelected. But these knuckleheads are all

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Speaker 1: about the fight and raising money. And it happens on

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Speaker 1: both sides. I mean, you know, we can't be overly

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Speaker 1: part of it is both sides do it. You know,

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Speaker 1: one years ago, you know, the Democrats wanted to get

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Speaker 1: rid of the philibuster. Now Republicans want to get rid

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Speaker 1: of it. It's like it goes back and forth, depending

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Speaker 1: it's like situational ethics, depending on the situation, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what. You know what I believe it's bogus in

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Speaker 1: America is so frustrated, and frankly, that's why Trump got elected,

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Speaker 1: right because whether you agree with his politics or his

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Speaker 1: attitude or how we talked to him, and we all

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Speaker 1: have issues there, but one thing is for sure, he

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Speaker 1: just he just lets it fly and he's there to

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Speaker 1: move the dial and that alone is incredibly refreshing for

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Speaker 1: a lot of people. They might not like how he

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Speaker 1: does it or you know, and how he says it

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Speaker 1: and all that, but unlike any other president in really

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Speaker 1: in history, he's there to move the dial and shake

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Speaker 1: up a system that is fundamentally I won't say broken,

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Speaker 1: because it can be fixed. You know, it can get there.

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Speaker 1: It's not completely broken, but no one's doing the work

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Speaker 1: to get it to get it moving again. But he's

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Speaker 1: definitely bucking the trend in that city. And again, I

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Speaker 1: don't agree with everything the guy does, but I think

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Speaker 1: everyone has to appreciate he's trying to get something done. Well.

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Speaker 3: I think the part of it, too is that both

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Speaker 3: parties have to play to their base, and I know,

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Speaker 3: doing this talk show I have people who are in

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Speaker 3: the far left and people in the far right, and

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Speaker 3: they are they're so similar, they're so convinced of their position,

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Speaker 3: and they really are difficult to even have a conversation with,

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Speaker 3: which again I think that's like the Bell curve of life.

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Speaker 3: Three percent over here, three percent over here, ninety four

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Speaker 3: percent of the country, whether they're Democrat, Republican, conservative, or

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Speaker 3: liberal or moderate in the middle. You know, they respect

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Speaker 3: each other. But you got the three percent on one

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Speaker 3: extreme and the three percent of the other. And they're

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Speaker 3: the ones that are messing it up because they're three

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Speaker 3: percent means a lot within the primary party politics and

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Speaker 3: all of that I.

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Speaker 1: Don't And they're loud, right, Yeah, we give them the microphone.

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Speaker 1: We've given those those guys that those extremes the microphone

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Speaker 1: to then define the rest of the party. Look, is

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Speaker 1: a Democrat party defined by these ultra progressive young you know,

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Speaker 1: young socialist slash communists. No, of course not, but they're

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Speaker 1: the ones told in the microphone for the Democrat Party

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Speaker 1: right now, right, So you.

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Speaker 3: Must have seen the No Kings rally in New York.

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Speaker 3: They were walking down the street with big I mean

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Speaker 3: big red hammer and sickle Communist Party flags. Honest, they were,

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Speaker 3: they were at least honest about what they want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I suppose, but you know, I think we

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Speaker 1: can all agree we don't want that. But but yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's we've given them, we've given them the microphone at

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Speaker 1: this point. And and it happens on both sides. It

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Speaker 1: happens on both sides. So look, there there are good

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Speaker 1: folks out there. I mean, look, most politicians are good people.

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Speaker 1: They just kind of get co opted into the politics

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Speaker 1: when they when they get into the job. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean they're bad people. We can disagree with them. I

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Speaker 1: always try, you know, when when someone when I don't

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Speaker 1: agree with someone, you know what I do. My thing

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Speaker 1: is I say, tell me more. I'm not there yet,

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Speaker 1: tell me more, tell me more. And I keep them talking,

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Speaker 1: right and and I want to have an open mind

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Speaker 1: to things. But eventually it's like, okay, I've tried, we're

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Speaker 1: just not there. I got to make a decision and

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Speaker 1: move forward. But I don't I don't hold uh, I

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Speaker 1: don't hold people's you know, political views against them. I

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Speaker 1: think we do that too often in this country, and

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Speaker 1: and that way, and what happens there, well, the bridge

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Speaker 1: gets burnt and you can't work with them going forward.

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Speaker 1: So that's the worst thing you can do. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about airlines and homeland security. Senator Mark Wayne

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Speaker 1: Mullen is a great example. You brought him up. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's a Republican, he's the new secretary of DHS. He's

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Speaker 1: respected on the other side of the aisle by Democrats.

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Speaker 1: He has a lot of friends on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the aisle that are Democrats, and he understands that process.

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Speaker 1: So I think he's going to bring a real breath

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Speaker 1: of fresh air to that department just because he understands

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Speaker 1: that senatorial process. He has personal relationships with some of

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Speaker 1: those Democrats. So I think that's a good example of

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe this change we're seeing at DAHS

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Speaker 1: can really be for the positive because he brings in

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Speaker 1: the relationships that just weren't there unfortunately.

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Speaker 3: I hope so. But if I'm correct, me if I'm wrong, Governor.

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Speaker 3: But I think that Ran Paul the one Republican voted

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Speaker 3: against him. I think it was fifty three to forty seven,

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Speaker 3: which is the break. The only Democrat who voted for

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Speaker 3: him was John Fetterman from Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: And oh yeah, they'll vote across the party line, but

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Speaker 1: when it comes to working with him, they'll actually it'll

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Speaker 1: actually be okay. Yeah, I mean, it.

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Speaker 3: Would have been nice if one of the two Democratic

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Speaker 3: senators from New Hampshire gave him a vote. It seems

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Speaker 3: to me, or of Angus King, there should be some

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Speaker 3: people in the Democratic Party who owns something like that

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Speaker 3: who'ld say, look, I voted for him because I think

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Speaker 3: he'll be better for the country than Christy Nomle was.

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Speaker 3: It was a perfect opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Here's the amazing thing if they do and I grew

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Speaker 1: with one hundred percent, but you know when they do that,

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Speaker 1: it's it's so rare. Now it's literally a headline. It

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Speaker 1: was the headlines the next day were Fetterman, you know,

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Speaker 1: joins Republicans. He just he voted for his buddy. He

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Speaker 1: respect him and he voted for him. That shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: a headline. That should be commonplace, right, And now it's

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Speaker 1: a headline.

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Speaker 3: And jod that needs that needs to be done by someone.

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Speaker 3: Who else Did they think a Republican president was going

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Speaker 3: to appoint Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Exactly?

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Speaker 1: It just it says we voted against Mark wayn Mullen.

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Speaker 1: Having nothing to do with Mark way Mullen. We voted

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Speaker 1: against him because he has a WE are after his name,

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Speaker 1: not a D. So they just highlight their own partisanship

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Speaker 1: in doing that. And uh and again it's just it

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Speaker 1: says a real negative message to the rest of the country.

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Speaker 3: Bernie in New Hampshire, thank you was always and again

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Speaker 3: give up, give up best to yourself.

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Speaker 4: All right, thank you, thank you for your timing. Good

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Speaker 4: luck with everything going.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 3: Be good Bernnie, you haven't talked to you soon six one, seven, two, five,

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Speaker 3: four ten thirty six one seven, nine three one ten

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Speaker 3: thirty Christenon will be with us for about another ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: If you like to jump in ask a question about airlines,

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Speaker 3: great opportunity, or if you would.

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Speaker 1: Like I don't know. I don't know where your luggage is.

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Speaker 1: I swear to God I know.

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Speaker 3: Oh God, let me tell you. I Sometimes I'd love

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Speaker 3: to know the story. Sometimes I knock on wood. Have

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Speaker 3: never lost a piece of luggage. Uh and all the

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Speaker 3: time that I have flown, But I can imagine what

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Speaker 3: that must be like. So we'll leave that up. There

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Speaker 3: must be some statistics somewhere that shows that it's only

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Speaker 3: like point zero zero zero super super rare very rare.

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Speaker 3: Christ who is with us six one seven, two five

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Speaker 3: four ten thirty or six one seven nine three one

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Speaker 3: ten thirty, would come on right back on night Side.

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Speaker 2: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 3: My guest is former Nehpter governor Christian hun who he

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Speaker 3: is now the president and CEO of Airlines for America,

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Speaker 3: a trade association that represents nine major airlines, both on

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Speaker 3: passenger and also cargo airlines. The President is apparently asking

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Speaker 3: the networks for a nine pm Tomorrow night to speak

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Speaker 3: about an important update on Iran, the fact that the

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Speaker 3: stock market had such a good day today. Do you

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Speaker 3: think that What do you think he's going to talk

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Speaker 3: about tomorrow night? I mean, he has been all over

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Speaker 3: the lot on this, in my opinion, in terms of

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Speaker 3: we're going to bomb them, that we're not gonna bomb them,

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Speaker 3: and it seems to me like the messaging has been

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Speaker 3: pretty unclear. I think the goals have been stated pretty clearly,

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Speaker 3: but I think his messaging has been unclear. What do

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Speaker 3: you look through the sty tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: He's going to try to reassure folks that this is

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Speaker 1: wrapped up in about three weeks. And you know, the

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Speaker 1: way I've always put it is, I think it needs

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Speaker 1: to really be pretty much solidified, and by that the

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Speaker 1: Strait of Hormuz needs to be completely open to friendly

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Speaker 1: traffic by Memorial Day. That seems like a way's out.

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Speaker 1: But look, that would only be about an eight week conflict.

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Speaker 1: But that's if you remember about a week before Memorial Day,

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Speaker 1: that's when we start looking at what are the what

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Speaker 1: are the gas prices for summer travel going to be,

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Speaker 1: what are the airfares going to be? And this has

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Speaker 1: been really really hard on airlines, airlines that typically keep

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Speaker 1: their prices very very low and competitive, but about a

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Speaker 1: quarter of the cost of your airline ticket is jet fuel.

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Speaker 1: And so even though oil might only go up thirty

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Speaker 1: or forty percent, which is a lot, by the way,

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Speaker 1: but a jet fuel can double in price when it

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Speaker 1: does that. So and that has to be you know,

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Speaker 1: we have a very low profit margin business that has

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Speaker 1: to then be sent down to the consumer. So what

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Speaker 1: he's trying to do is give some assurance to the

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Speaker 1: rest of the country that, uh, where we got a

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Speaker 1: couple more weeks to go. He's releasing. You know, today

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Speaker 1: they started using the really large bombers. Uh, they're they're

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Speaker 1: bombing the heck out of those nuclear locations again because

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Speaker 1: they're the Iranians are trying to rebuild, uh, their their stockpiles.

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Speaker 1: There was evidence of that. So I think he's just

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Speaker 1: going to try to reassure America that this is not

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Speaker 1: a prolonged thing. We're going to be out of it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how we're out of it exactly. Until

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Speaker 1: you really get a sense of regime change, I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to be hard to convince folks that that

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Speaker 1: this is this operation is going to stick, so to say, right,

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Speaker 1: it's going to bring lasting change to the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: which is what his real stated goal was. So it's

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Speaker 1: will be interesting to what he what he says, he's

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Speaker 1: trying to, you know, solidify the market a little bit,

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Speaker 1: get those oil prices a little lower, give people confidence.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, it's it's the messaging has been

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Speaker 1: has not been their strong suit on this. Yeah, has

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Speaker 1: been terrific, but the messaging has been all over the place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. He also said, well, I thought that when he

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Speaker 3: talked about the gift, that that the Iranians were giving

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Speaker 3: him a you know, at first he didn't tell us

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Speaker 3: what the gift was. It was weird. You know, we're

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Speaker 3: going to let eight, No, it's going to be ten

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Speaker 3: oil tankers go through, but they all wanted to Pakistani flag.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how who told him that. He apparently

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Speaker 3: is saying that the straits, the Strait of Hormus, is

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Speaker 3: going to be left for other nations to handle it

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Speaker 3: after the US leaves. I wonder if that's a concession

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Speaker 3: we are making to Iran in order to extricate ourselves.

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Speaker 3: Does that makes sense?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think that. No, we would never leave

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Speaker 1: the Strait in everybody else's hands unless you had a

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Speaker 1: real coalition there right that you were part of, you trusted,

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Speaker 1: or you had some input on and all of that.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're not gonna I think that would be

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Speaker 1: a very dangerous thing. And by the way, that would

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Speaker 1: really kill you. It would hurt Europe badly, it would

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Speaker 1: hurt lots of other parts of the world very badly. Potentially,

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Speaker 1: the risk levels would just be being too high. So again

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure how we how we you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where I think America is like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll believe it when we see it, you know, but

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Speaker 1: you gotta show us talk is sheep in this situation.

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Speaker 1: You gotta show us now what now here's one for you,

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Speaker 1: damn you know. He at any point if this doesn't

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Speaker 1: go the way he expects it to go in the

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Speaker 1: next few weeks, does he look at Pete Hegsath and go,

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Speaker 1: you told me we could get this done and then

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Speaker 1: we ain't getting it done. Or did you look at

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Speaker 1: Ruby and say or Vans and say you told me

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Speaker 1: that you know this was achievable, and we're not achieving

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Speaker 1: it here, guys. So you think he's going to take

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Speaker 1: the fall for.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, he's gonna say no, I mean no.

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Speaker 5: So somebody's head is going to figuratively roll if this

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Speaker 5: weren't to go the way they anticipate in the next

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Speaker 5: few weeks. And so that'll be very interesting to see

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Speaker 5: what kind of what kind of fall out there is

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Speaker 5: within the administration if this weren't to go well for him.

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Speaker 3: Christian and it was always thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: being available today. It'll be interesting to see if the

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Speaker 3: airlines do follow ed Dastion's lead. Here, the Delta CEO

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Speaker 3: and I hope they do. If you talk to the CEO,

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Speaker 3: tell him that I'm gonna fly Delta more often then

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Speaker 3: whatever I can. And because I liked what he had

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Speaker 3: to say.

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Speaker 1: And I'll let him know, I'm gonna talk to them tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: I will tell them that I'm very happy to hear that,

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Speaker 3: because I think someone had to at least open up

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Speaker 3: that conversation. And again, thank you so much for the

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Speaker 3: great work you did in New Hampshire and whatever you're

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Speaker 3: doing right now on behalf of all of us representing

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Speaker 3: airlines for America because God knows we need them.

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Speaker 1: Hey, every everyone, everyone, keep buying tickets, keep buying. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be a great summer.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, as long as you get the Thanks to

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Speaker 1: the executive order, we don't have the TSA problem, and

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Speaker 1: that's gonna that's gonna be secured definitely, indefinitely and definitely

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Speaker 1: into the future. And so folks who just have a

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Speaker 1: lot of confidence, you know, buying those tickets and joining

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Speaker 1: their flights and TSA lines today were almost nothing, which

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Speaker 1: was terrific.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: So, you know, barring any bad weather, looks like it's

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Speaker 1: smooth skies, as they say, as we go for it.

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Speaker 3: That sounds great. Thanks, thanks so much, Chris, Well, we

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Speaker 3: will talk so Christian all right, and we get back.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about a very different subject. We

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Speaker 3: had recently on the program a guest, former science reporter

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Speaker 3: for ABC News, doctor Michael Gillen, former Harvard physics instructor.

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Speaker 3: I watched this amazing documentary that he has put together,

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Speaker 3: and I really think everyone should see it. He is

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Speaker 3: a scientist and was a committed atheist. If you happen

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Speaker 3: to believe, you're going to be very happy with the

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Speaker 3: message that he will provide. Coming up on the other

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Speaker 3: side of the ten o'clock News