WEBVTT - 11-4-25 Scott with Catherine Athans

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<v Speaker 1>Scott back on seven hundred wlw oh, yes, the time change.

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<v Speaker 1>You wake up, it's dark outside, you get home from work,

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<v Speaker 1>it's dark outside, just darkness and developing like we need

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<v Speaker 1>this right now. Well, all the bad news in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>it just makes things worse. Doctor Catherine Athens is a

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<v Speaker 1>expert in this area and author of numerous books. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a connection between the darkness and our mental health. We

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<v Speaker 1>all know about this, but what new information is there

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<v Speaker 1>out there? And how do you cope with it? As

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<v Speaker 1>we lose time another hour this weekend, Doctor Catherine, good morning,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine, Thank you, good morning, Thanks for having me,

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<v Speaker 2>and good morning to all your listeners as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm already just thinking about the time change, getting depressed.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. It's funny. When I was younger, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I love cold weather, love the snow and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But the fifteen hours of darkness a day, it really

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't effect the owner I get the worst it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there some is there connection with an age and

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<v Speaker 1>lack of sunlight?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we don't get as much sunlight when we get older,

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<v Speaker 2>do We were not outside playing all the time? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>kids are outside, We tell them go outside and play.

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<v Speaker 2>And although you know with a digital age it may

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<v Speaker 2>have changed a lot. But adults are behind a desk,

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<v Speaker 2>usually sitting under a fluorescent light, which is not good

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<v Speaker 2>for the brain at all. And usually we're sooped over,

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<v Speaker 2>we're dehydrated, we're drinking coffee to stay away, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>eating that nice jelly donut, and we're just trying to

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<v Speaker 2>brace ourselves to get through the day. So the thing

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<v Speaker 2>to do in the morning is to drink some warm water.

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<v Speaker 2>You can drink it with lemon. You can put a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of apple cider vinegar in there, which is

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<v Speaker 2>good for cleaning the kidneys and the liver, which are

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<v Speaker 2>two organs that help get rid of poisons. So why

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<v Speaker 2>do we get depressed? We become over poxified in our

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<v Speaker 2>bodies because we're stationary and the things we eat aren't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily nurishing. They taste good, though, So I tell people

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<v Speaker 2>think about the basics. Think about doing some deep breathing,

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<v Speaker 2>starting your day with an affirmation of something positive. Think

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<v Speaker 2>about that during the day, and sip water. Bring a

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<v Speaker 2>water bottle or water container, sip it all day. The

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<v Speaker 2>brain needs water to function, and most of us are dehydrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially when you're inside and the air is dryer, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not as humid, you're not, so you spend more time

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<v Speaker 1>in dit. That's why you get sick because you're dried out.

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<v Speaker 1>So hydration is a critical thing to remaining well in

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<v Speaker 1>the winter months. For sure. What does the lemon do

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<v Speaker 1>for me? Though? How does that? Does that beat depression

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<v Speaker 1>and the lack of sunlight? Is it? It's vitamin C.

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<v Speaker 2>It's vitamin C. But it also helps to cleanse the liver.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, God bless our livers because they're always

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<v Speaker 2>pulling toison out of our bloodstreams for us and trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get rid of it so it doesn't circulate so

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<v Speaker 2>much around the body, and the limit helps the liver

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<v Speaker 2>do that. It also helps the kidneys to function, and

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<v Speaker 2>it helps the water to taste better so you'll drink it. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>So there's lots of good reasons. You know. The thought

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<v Speaker 2>of this darkness is horrific for people, So I tell people, look,

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<v Speaker 2>start by getting out in the sun more often. When

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<v Speaker 2>there is done, try to take your lunch break and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe take some thing like this sandwich that you can

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<v Speaker 2>eat while you're slowly walking, or go to the park

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<v Speaker 2>and sit in the sun and they have a little

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<v Speaker 2>bite to eat, So that way you're getting more sun.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though we're not getting more sun. That will help

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<v Speaker 2>the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot, right, But I mean, here's the problem here,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Catherine Athens. Here's the problem with Cincinnati, Ohio. Problem

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<v Speaker 1>with Cincinnati, Ohio is we literally will not see the

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<v Speaker 1>sun until opening day this year when the red started,

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<v Speaker 1>and even then that may be again, but there may

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<v Speaker 1>be a couple hours. I think in the next six

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<v Speaker 1>months we'll see the sun. But it's just a mere rumor.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually a lot of people right around April start

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<v Speaker 1>to question whether or not the sun actually exists, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just one of those Internet rumors or a

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<v Speaker 1>myth or fake news or something like that, because we're

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure after by the time we get through February

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<v Speaker 1>that the sun just doesn't exist anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, Well, there are things you can do.

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<v Speaker 2>There is some thing called full spectrum light bulbs that

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<v Speaker 2>you can buy and replace your light bulbs at home

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<v Speaker 2>with the full spectrum because part of the seasonal effective disorder,

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<v Speaker 2>that depression, is we're not getting some of the spectrum

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<v Speaker 2>of the sun. If you're really bad off, there are

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<v Speaker 2>machines that you can buy. They're not too expensive, and

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<v Speaker 2>they will you can sit have them sit in front

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<v Speaker 2>of you. You can watch TV or listen to the

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<v Speaker 2>radio and they will project full spectrum light at you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how many? How many hours?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 1>My wife got me one last year at Christmas. I

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<v Speaker 1>said I'm gonna try. I never used it because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just naturally positive. As you can tell here. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>national treasure, is what I am. Doctor, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>a user. Yeah, I plan on maybe cracking that thing out.

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<v Speaker 1>How long? How many hours a day? If you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the happy light as they call them, they're pretty cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>You can get on Amazon too. I didn't know about

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<v Speaker 1>the light bulbs. You can put full spectrum light bulbs

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<v Speaker 1>on the same thing. So if you got your I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, your easy chair next to your couture, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>light next to your touch plays, use that when you're

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there watching TV. How many hours a day do

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<v Speaker 1>you need that?

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<v Speaker 2>Though not very many. Actually you could start off with

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<v Speaker 2>maybe two, one in the morning and one in the evening,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe two. If you don't have two, start

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<v Speaker 2>off with twenty minutes a few times a day if

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<v Speaker 2>you're home, but at least twenty minutes at a time,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's really very useful. It helps a lot. It

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<v Speaker 2>helps to retard that sad kind of syndrome in the

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<v Speaker 2>winter with no light. Another thing is, if it's too

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<v Speaker 2>cold to go outside, do some aerobic exercise inside. Get

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<v Speaker 2>the blood going through your body, the get circulation going

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<v Speaker 2>along with the light, and that will help the feeling

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<v Speaker 2>of sadness and depression. It will actually make you feel better,

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<v Speaker 2>more positive.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, exercise is good for you. I mean I noticed

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<v Speaker 1>in the days that if I go a few days

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<v Speaker 1>between workouts, I notice I start to get a little

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<v Speaker 1>more tired and irritable than I normally am. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm missing my workout. So I get that. Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Kathin Athens on the show this morning on seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>w welw got the time change. We lose an hour

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<v Speaker 1>and now darkness will encompass us and develop us here

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<v Speaker 1>for the next five months, roughly in Cincinnati, we won't

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<v Speaker 1>see the sun maybe for a couple of minutes, I

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<v Speaker 1>think in the next five months here too. Some may

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<v Speaker 1>say the sun was cut out in an extreme some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of extreme budget cut or something like that or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the sun was captured and stolen by aliens, or

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<v Speaker 1>we just don't get so you will not see the

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<v Speaker 1>sun for quite some time in Cincinnati that south is

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<v Speaker 1>Does that affect your sleep then too? I know that

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<v Speaker 1>sun and sleep generally are at odds with one another,

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<v Speaker 1>but does it mess with their sleep cycle too?

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<v Speaker 2>It absolutely does. Our sleep cycle or circadian rhythms all

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<v Speaker 2>get off. So I ask people to go to bed

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<v Speaker 2>that hour earlier. Even though it says, you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>says four o'clock, it's actually five. So go to bed

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<v Speaker 2>when you normally go to bed for a while, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you can increase your bedtime maybe ten minutes each week,

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<v Speaker 2>but go to bed. Try to maintain those same habits

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<v Speaker 2>you have and get a lot of sleep. And yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the sun, the sun activates trying to think of the

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<v Speaker 2>name of the organs in the back of your head,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you're in the sun, they're activated. When you're

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<v Speaker 2>in the dark, they secrete melatonin. So you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be in a dark room to sleep, but you want

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<v Speaker 2>to have had some full spectrum light, whether it be

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<v Speaker 2>the happy machine or you're light bulb, or for some

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<v Speaker 2>reason there is some sunshine. Because that balances the brain. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you notice in the winter time people become less friendly,

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<v Speaker 2>more irritable, just because we're not moving as much. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not drinking enough water. I mean, just think about

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<v Speaker 2>the holidays here. You don't drink all year, and you

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<v Speaker 2>don't eat much, and suddenly you're drinking like crazy on Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 2>You're eating all kinds of stuff you never eat the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the year, and then you feel miserable and

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<v Speaker 2>you go, why am I feeling so bad?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah, I mean I'm living my life like a

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<v Speaker 1>medieval king or something. I'm eating literally just eating giant

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<v Speaker 1>geese neck and the drumsticks, and I'm drinking wine and

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<v Speaker 1>meat and I'm just having a blast. But then you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like crap after. It's kind of like when you

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<v Speaker 1>eat all the Halloween candy, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing, right, right, So so don't I tell people

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<v Speaker 2>don't use moderation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that's not fun. That's no fun though, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh. I. I I'm the other extreme though. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe in everything in its excess. I think if you

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<v Speaker 1>I think it'll balance, it balances. I'll work out for

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<v Speaker 1>three straight days and I'm gonna eat for nine straight days.

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<v Speaker 1>What about that all what most people do.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right in the groove. Oh I worked out? Why

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<v Speaker 2>am I gaining weight? When did you work out last week?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Want to rush into anything. I could strain something.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. That's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to I don't want to jump in

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<v Speaker 1>this exercise thing. You know, Well, at the time change

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<v Speaker 1>here and losing an hour's sleep. It's also to trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get your body set because uh, you know the

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<v Speaker 1>week when they tell you the clock changes, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's takes you a week to get your body right again.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it better? Is it kind of like jet legs?

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<v Speaker 1>Should you just go to bed at the same time?

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<v Speaker 2>Or yes, go to bed at the same time. We

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<v Speaker 2>actually gain an hour, but the hour we gain is darkness.

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<v Speaker 2>So go to bed at the same time, get up

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, and then slowly work into the

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<v Speaker 2>new time zone. You know, if you can go to

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<v Speaker 2>bed at the same time, get up at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Drink your water. Now, if you want to know how

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<v Speaker 2>much water you should asp take your body weight, Say

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<v Speaker 2>you weigh one fifty, divide it in half. That's seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five and those are ounces you need seventy five ounces

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<v Speaker 2>of water a day, which is huge. It's more than

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<v Speaker 2>half a gallon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's something you sip on a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of water all day. Go I had like two

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<v Speaker 1>bottles of water. That's not it's not for me. And

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<v Speaker 1>then if you're active, you need even more water.

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<v Speaker 2>For that matter, if you're active, you need more water.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the brain doesn't function without water. It doesn't function.

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<v Speaker 2>Functions on glucose, water and amino acids. And most of

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<v Speaker 2>us don't get enough amino acids because we're dieting or

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<v Speaker 2>we're eating some kind of green and we're not looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the fact. We need a variety of amino acids

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<v Speaker 2>for the brain to function properly. But we also need

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<v Speaker 2>each other. We need human interaction face to face for

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<v Speaker 2>the brain and the neural pathways to function properly. I recommend,

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<v Speaker 2>if you do nothing else, go to the market or

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<v Speaker 2>the hardware store or the Walmart, whatever, and start saying

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<v Speaker 2>hello to people, Hello, how are you good morning?

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<v Speaker 1>If you just hate people, is there no hope for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it terminal? What's going on there? Doctor?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? It could be no, say the reals.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't go. It's because people piss me off.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, well that's another story.

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<v Speaker 1>Just too many idiots in the world. I think people

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<v Speaker 1>will listen to be right, Sloan. There's too many idiots

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, and that's why I tend to just

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<v Speaker 1>stay home and eat and be mindless of myself. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we have do you think as a doctor and you

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<v Speaker 1>studied this stuff again on the show this morning. It's

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Catherine Athens, and she is an expert in the

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<v Speaker 1>area of sleep. And we've got one in five Americans

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<v Speaker 1>experiencing winter blues, according to the Cleveland Clinic. And they

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<v Speaker 1>would know because there's no more depressing place in the

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<v Speaker 1>world in Cleveland. So the Cleveland Clinic people, I would

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<v Speaker 1>agree with them, and maybe even two and five at

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<v Speaker 1>this point too. But she's a clinical and health psychologist

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<v Speaker 1>and she's on the show talking about the time change

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<v Speaker 1>here and what that means for you, how to combat

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<v Speaker 1>it with happy lights and making sure you're getting hydrated

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<v Speaker 1>well enough and all that. Should we get away with

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<v Speaker 1>daylight savings, time in the clock four o'clock back, nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet you we should. And in California we voted,

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<v Speaker 2>i think six years ago to do away with that,

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<v Speaker 2>but we still have to do it. Someone isn't listening

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<v Speaker 2>to the people over here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we have that problem here too, So it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just Ohio, it's also California.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh yeah, so well what issues here?

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, time change the list of those problems you

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<v Speaker 1>got over there, that's for dam I'm sure so uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems to me. I just keep one steady constant

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<v Speaker 1>time and we're good there. This is, you know, jumping

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth every six months. So really, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I could see back in the day where you needed

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<v Speaker 1>natural daylight in order to get stuff done. But we

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<v Speaker 1>have electricity now, we've had electricity at least I think

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<v Speaker 1>for the last three or four years.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, well we do. But you know, the charcoal

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<v Speaker 2>lobby wanted this daylight savings time because they found out

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<v Speaker 2>that was another hour or so of sunlight. They make

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<v Speaker 2>more money, the charcoal lobby. The charcoal lobby, no idea,

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<v Speaker 2>blame them for this.

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<v Speaker 1>Good lord. There's a big big charcoals behind all this

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<v Speaker 1>big kings. Yeah, yeah, there's a lobby for any you've

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<v Speaker 1>got politicians, you'll have a you'll have a lobby. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt about it. So doctor Catherine Athrines Athens at

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<v Speaker 1>h A N S. And thanks again for the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has written of several books. As a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact, the Lates called it the Heart Brain and

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Catherine Athens, thanks for coming on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my pleasure. And please everyone drink your water, don't

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<v Speaker 2>don't push yourself. Everybody's going through this miserable time change together,

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<v Speaker 2>so please just take your time and work yourself into it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a few weeks you'll be old. You'll be better, hopefully,

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<v Speaker 2>but let's not get get out your happy machine.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Well, the good news is we have cheap flights

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<v Speaker 1>to Florida. If all else fails, get on Allegiant or

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<v Speaker 1>Delta or whatever and get the hell out of town

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<v Speaker 1>for a few days. That always helps. To doctor Catherine,

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<v Speaker 1>all the.

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<v Speaker 2>Best, thanks to you too, Bye bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Now today is the day because Sunday, Okay, time change.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Sunday. You're watching football, the big deal. Monday rolls

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<v Speaker 1>aren't yesterday. And now it's starting to, you know, affect

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<v Speaker 1>you a little bit. Okay, sun's coming up in the

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<v Speaker 1>morning or and when I get home, it's getting dark

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<v Speaker 1>and your mind is preparing for sure in addition to that,

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<v Speaker 1>today is election day, Election day. If you're in OHI,

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you take that ID with you. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>need it if you are going to vote. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course that pulls open we'll get a full update on

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening there. We'll also chat with the council candidate

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<v Speaker 1>if you haven't voted yet. Anthony Weiner running for council,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the what twenty nine people running for councils

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<v Speaker 1>some along those lines, twenty six people. It's a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>let's put it that way, a boatload of folks. Why

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<v Speaker 1>should you vote for him? And what he sees from

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<v Speaker 1>an outsider's perspective, what's going on in is Mayol race?

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<v Speaker 1>Very interesting. We'll get into that just ahead here slowly

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred WLW