1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,319 Speaker 1: This is Tony Pike since E three sixty about Cincinnati. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: From Cincinnati. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 3: All right, it's our number two. It's a Friday afternoon, 5 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 3: which means we really don't need an introduction for our 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 3: next guest joining us each and every Friday all over 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 3: Red Spring training. Right now? Is our good friend Charlie 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 3: Goldsmith kind enough to join us? Right now? Charlie? What's 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 3: going on? 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: How are you? 11 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: I'm doing great? 12 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: How are you great? 13 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: Great? Let's talk about where this team is at. We've 14 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 3: seen them in a couple spring training game opportunities. Now, 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 3: what have been some things that have stood out to 16 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 3: you so far with this Reds team. 17 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: I could talk specifically about any player, but something that's 18 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: fascinated me really this year is just the way that 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: Terry Francona is talking about these spring training games. So 20 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: like yesterday, like you would think the thing that mattered 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: and stood out the most would be Spurns and what 22 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: he was doing and how he was looking. But the 23 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: things that Terry Francona really had on his mind postgame 24 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: it again this morning were base running reads were challenges, 25 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: and then key at bats and a big day from 26 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: Tyler Callahan that won the red that game, and in 27 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: a grand scheme of things in the big picture, what 28 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: matters most from yesterday probably is Burns. But it's refreshing, 29 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 2: it's different. I think it's a key part of like 30 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: what makes francona kind of the philosophy and style that 31 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 2: he has, is he where his mind really is at 32 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 2: is those little things, and I think that's pretty cool. 33 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: It is hard to overlook, though, what we've seen so 34 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 3: far from Chase Burns. What have been your takeaways in 35 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 3: watching this up and coming star for the Reds. 36 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: His slaughter yesterday might have been the best I've ever 37 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: seen it. Regular seasons, bring training, bullpen anywhere. Like the 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: swings that he got in the first inning for a 39 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: man in the Chada and Fernando Takee Junior incredible, just 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: truly incredible. And that's the upside. And then he's also 41 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: the change up well now, the fastball command hasn't been 42 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: there this spring. Was better in Game two than it 43 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: was in Game one. Sometimes you would worry about that. 44 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: Sometimes he wouldn't. Because Burns has a real significant track 45 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: record to the picture of not being a guy who 46 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: struggles with command and a guy who does throw a 47 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: lot of strikes. If you'll call that control not command, 48 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: that's the difference there. He has great control and he 49 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: throws a lot of strikes, So I see it in 50 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: Francona said it as well. He's a young guy, but 51 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: he still needs spring training and that fastball command's kind 52 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: of in the area we'll all have to develop to 53 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: really get that timing down. 54 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: What do you think has been the reason that the 55 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: slider has has gotten so much better? Is there anything 56 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: that Burns has kind of pointed to as to why 57 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: that pitch is improving the way it is. 58 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing not to get into twenty twenty 59 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: four MLB mock draft talk, but there was some surprise, 60 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: at least externally, when the Reds took Burns when they 61 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: did where he did, he wasn't necessarily projected to go 62 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 2: that high. Well, the Reds saws, they said, we think 63 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: your slider is awesome, and other teams were like, your 64 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 2: slider's okay, your slider solid, and the red We're right, 65 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 2: this slider was awesome. And he came up as a 66 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 2: rookie and was unbelievable, threw a bunch of sliders, threw 67 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: it past Aaron Judge and all those guys. So the 68 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: Reds have always been like the believers in the slider 69 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: and they got that one right. And it looks even better. 70 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: Now the walks that we've seen. And I know it's 71 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: spring training and you don't want to you don't want 72 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 3: to look too much into anything. Should we be concerned 73 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: at all about the number of walks in some of 74 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: these outings this year? 75 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: And no, I just view that as the fastball. Now 76 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: there might be a side of it with burns where 77 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, throw your best pitch. You don't 78 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: have to throw your best pitch, trust your stuff and 79 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: get ahead of the count. But to me, when you 80 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 2: look at again his track record of being a strike thrower, 81 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: when I look at him this spring, I just view 82 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: that as more getting a pitch and timing down as 83 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: opposed to you might say this about some other guys, 84 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: and I think you would say it about some other guys. 85 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: I don't see him as a guy who you're walked 86 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: in spring training? Are side of things to come. 87 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: A guy that I know? Austin, did you want to astolt? 88 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: You do, Austin? Do you want to ask you about 89 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 3: Grime Ashcraft. 90 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: No I have. I don't know that I have any 91 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: questions about it. He's it's spring training. I'm sure he's 92 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: working on things. It's been a rough start. I think 93 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: we can all agree on that, but I don't know 94 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: what he's working on. Charlie, do you know what he's 95 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: working on? 96 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: I mean the inning yesterday got away from him when 97 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: Cam Collyer is actually much better than I thought he'd 98 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: be defensively, but there was a play where I think 99 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: Cam is trying to show how good he is defensively, 100 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 2: and more power to him, but he dove in front 101 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 2: of Edwin Royo on a ball he shouldn't have, and 102 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: you know, you got no play, no out, and then 103 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: I believe the next play was a double play that 104 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: Edwin just didn't turn and get to throw the way 105 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: you want it uh to the first basement, and then 106 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: the inning kind of unraveled from there. So I look 107 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: at that as more of an inning that was by defense. 108 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: I believe a ball also help a bag in that inning. 109 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 2: But then he is a guy one hundred percent where 110 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: you want to see that control. You want to see 111 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: filling up the zone and if that's not there in spring. 112 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: Maybe you spend a little more time focusing on that. 113 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: Much more important than anything Graham Ashcraft does on the mound, Charlie, 114 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: is the style of pants that Matt McLean is wearing. 115 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: I understand that you've been working on this. Have you 116 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: learned anything about McLean's new style? 117 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 2: So here's the behind the scenes of like my morning 118 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 2: in the clubhouse this morning. So I interviewed Ellie first, 119 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: just for I wrote about it this morning, just he's healthy, 120 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 2: how he feels, where he's at, and what's been a 121 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: good spring. And then I said, oh yeah, and by 122 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: the way, you know, what do you think of that? 123 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 2: We're in long pence now? And Ellie said, I've been 124 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: telling him this for years and I might mess up 125 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: the quote, but he's like long pants, more flow, more 126 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: game or something like that, more swag, something like that. 127 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: And it was such a strong answer that I said, 128 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 2: you know what, I think that's all I need to know. 129 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: I don't need to need that. I mean, there's your answer. 130 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 2: I couldn't you know, Matt can't say it any better 131 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: than Ellie just did. And so I'll leave that last word. 132 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 3: Deli Dela Cruz, speaking of Ellie de la Cruz. A 133 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 3: very good start to the spring. We've seen a little 134 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 3: bit of everything. Charlie Devil's triple, the power with the 135 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 3: home run. What have you liked the most with what 136 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: you've seen from Ellie so far? 137 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 2: He's healthy that you know, we talked about it all 138 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 2: last season, you know, I kind of haven't planted that 139 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: flag and you know gotten as you know, talked as 140 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 2: much about it yet as I should haven't. I realized 141 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: that yesterday, just walking those two beautiful opposite field hits 142 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: that just carried and carried and carried and turned into 143 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: extra bases, each one of them, Like that was the 144 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: moment where I realized, like, that's it. That's what he 145 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: couldn't do last year. He couldn't dig into that quad 146 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: and elevate and drive the ball with that bomp a bit. 147 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: I got depth for him last year, and seeing that 148 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 2: reminded me that he's back in that way. You know, 149 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: that type of power and carry is what he's been 150 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: all about when he's been healthy. And he's completely healthy 151 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: right now, and the Red really excited about it, and 152 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: so is Ellie. He told me, I have felt all 153 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: of my hard work that I've spent rehabbing and training 154 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: this offseason pay off, and he's got a good energy 155 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: about him because of that too. 156 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: With Ellie and with McClain, they both have had really 157 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: good starts to the spring at the plate. To play 158 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: devil's advocate here, they were both really good at the 159 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: plate in spring last year. And we are not always facing, 160 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, the best pitching that these other teams have 161 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: to show in spring training, So do we take it 162 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: with a grain of salt or is there real technical 163 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: stuff that it feels like they've improved upon that will 164 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: translate even against better pitching. 165 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: I've decided that I'm just not going to read anything 166 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 2: in the mass spring training and really until like May, 167 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: I just don't feel like I'm going to be able 168 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: to make any real evaluation. Wore McLain's at UIs as 169 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: a player specifically because it felt like some stuff he 170 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: shuckled the most last season was he's like one of 171 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 2: the better grinders in baseball. You know, he's just a 172 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: guy who plays hard and fights and battles. But it 173 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 2: was that grind last season where upselt like, really the 174 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 2: impact of coming back off that injury cut up to 175 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: him and wore them down. A bit, so I just 176 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 2: kind of need to see how he handles that, and 177 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: that's an. 178 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: Answer we won't have until men south Stewart. 179 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: I know that that he has big aspirations for this season. 180 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: We also saw him turn on an inside pitch and 181 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: hit at four hundred and forty feet earlier in the week. 182 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: What has been your your takeaway and being able to 183 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 3: watch south Stewart on a day to day basis with 184 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: being such a young player, but a lot being put 185 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 3: on his shoulders. 186 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that homer is really impressive. You know, guys really 187 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: don't do that. Sal's a guy who is so old 188 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: schooled and you know his approach. He would he would 189 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: never come across as a guy who sells out for power. 190 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: He doesn't. That's not his game. To be reminded. Oh, 191 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: by the way he can deliver that type of swing 192 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: is just a good reminder of the skills set that 193 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 2: he brings to the table. And with Sal, the big 194 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: thing with him all spring is going to be first 195 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 2: base defense. It being such a relatively new position for him. 196 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: On my memory right now, it's been very clean and 197 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: successful so far. Absolutely, and they just did their hardest 198 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: drill of the offseason of the spring. It's a huge tradition. 199 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: It's called twenty seven outs, and Freddy Betavidez called out 200 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: specific situations two outs run around third, seven inning, We're 201 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: down two runs on the road in Chicago and you 202 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 2: got to make plays. And Salz just made like the 203 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 2: huge clutch play at first to win twenty seven outs. 204 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 2: So good job for him there. But tracking his first 205 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: base defense all spring, that'll be the big thing with him. 206 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: That's kind of the thing he has to prove. 207 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: I know you wrote about TJ. Friedel getting some spots 208 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: in left field. I know he started yesterday. Is there 209 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: a timeline on when we'll see Spencer Steer in the 210 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: outfield more? 211 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: I asked Karry Francona that this morning, because he's been 212 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: playing first and he's a guy who I expected to 213 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: play maybe the third or fourth most games at first 214 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: of the Red this year. Car Francona said, his strategy 215 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: his islands. You let the guys get their feet under 216 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: them and get comfortable where they're most comfortable, and then 217 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: you start to move it around. So a different scenario, 218 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: but like you reminded me of like last year, Gavin Luck, 219 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: you know, play second and then they started moving them 220 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 2: in the outfield and stuff. I believe on the board, 221 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 2: you're still efficiently lifted as an outfielder. So like, obviously 222 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: he'll play a lot of infield, but I think that's 223 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that's how there you him primarily, and 224 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: Tito said this morning, he'll be at this sea. 225 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's like this everywhere, Charlie, but 226 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 3: every spring I'm kind of in awe of watching because 227 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: you see guys like Eric Davis and Barry Larkin who 228 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: are so entrenched with this organization, but they're not just 229 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 3: there at spring training. It feels like everything I see 230 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: that they are extremely involved on a day to day 231 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: process with these players. Just talk about that the veteran 232 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 3: greats that have played for the Cincinnati Reds, and their 233 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: willingness to give back and try to help these guys 234 00:10:59,120 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 3: get to where they want to go. 235 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: Different people, different players relate better with different types of people. 236 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 2: Some guys need a scientist, some guys need someone who's 237 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: been in the big leagues for twenty years, Like a 238 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: great example that's Cabrian Hayes, who I've seen spending a 239 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: lot of time talking with Barry Larkin, Cabrian Hayes, the 240 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: son of a long time Big leaguer, his game and 241 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: his style, and he's spoken very high talk to Cabrian 242 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 2: for thirty minutes Yesterday's but very highly of Chris Blaka. 243 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: Cabrian also has had success working kind of with these 244 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: old school veteran coaches to kind of see the game 245 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: in that way and you his game in that way. 246 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 2: And I've seen Cabrian and Barry talk a lot about 247 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: hitting and talk a lot about where he makes contact 248 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: and that being something that's beneficial for him. So having 249 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 2: those perspectives and that authority, do you know, kind of 250 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: say something that might not, you know, be the most 251 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: fun thing to say to a player who needs it. 252 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: That's something that I know has made an impact for 253 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: a lot of these players, like Eric Davis taught Resigns 254 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: how to play the outfield, Like you have a lot 255 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: of stories that come up in my mind when you 256 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: talk about guys like that. 257 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: As a follow up to that, do they have just 258 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: kind of free reign to speak where they feel like 259 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: somebody needs to work on something or something that they notice, 260 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: or is there like a directive they work with the 261 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: coaching staff to say, I want you to work with 262 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: this specific player about this or is it just kind 263 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: of whatever you notice help him out. 264 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: That's a good question. I bet there are some areas 265 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: where they feel like, yes, let's just say this lock 266 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: in here, and then in the other areas you want 267 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 2: to make sure the guys aren't getting the messages. They 268 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: want to have some communication before. So now you don't 269 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: tell this player to keep your hands back while they 270 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: didn't coach you selling him to keep your hands forward. 271 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: But I don't get this setser that that really comes up. 272 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: They are very involved, direct communicative with these players. I'll 273 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: even say with Barry in particular, over the last two years, 274 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: he's gone from a guy who I saw primarily on 275 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: the minor league set of camp to a guy on 276 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: the major league side of camp, and so that's been 277 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: a difference there. 278 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: The other thing I've heard a lot of this week, 279 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: now that we're well over a week in the spring 280 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: training games, is ABS strategy. Yeah, can you kind of 281 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: explain what the strategy or the discourse around the strategy 282 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: and is there any indication what the Reds strategy for 283 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: ABS will be. 284 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: I think that they've seen this in camp and they've 285 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: they've been like, we got to get to work on 286 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: this because personally, I feel this way and no others 287 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: feel this way as well. It had a much bigger 288 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: impact in the play of games than we were expecting, 289 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: like the pitch clock or you know, the bigger bases 290 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: like that. Sure there were some tweaks and maybe ran more, 291 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: but that didn't change the way you scout and game 292 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 2: plan for an opponent. I think ABS could do that, 293 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 2: and the smartest teams are going to be the one 294 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: that find the best, most useful leverage situations to swing. 295 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: And yesterday that was a excuse me, a two and 296 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: one count for wild Benson and like the fifth inning, 297 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: and I swear to God and they feel the same way. 298 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: I do a three to one count which led to 299 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 2: a walk, which loaded the bases, and then Marte cleared 300 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: them and that was the difference in the game. Here's 301 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: where I'm at, all right. So it reminds me a 302 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: lot of fourth down decisions in football because there's that 303 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: combination of feel and analytics. Sure, I think during the 304 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: regular season, like not that you'll do this. I'm not 305 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: trying to program your show. You could do a full 306 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: segment every day Here's where the Reds use their challenges. 307 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 2: Was it right? Was it wrong? How did that impact 308 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 2: the flow of the game, Just like you could do 309 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: a full segment after a football game on the team's 310 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 2: fourth down decision making from the previous game, like it 311 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: has that type of impact, and it has that type 312 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 2: of debate potential, and that of course include dust and 313 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: that those debates will certainly be had throughout the organization. 314 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: Well, feel free to if you have any segment ideas. 315 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to pass the law. 316 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 2: You guys are doing. 317 00:14:55,280 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: Fine, Charlie as Uh as we transition obviously spring in 318 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: full swing. Also, the NFL combine is happening. Duke Tobin, 319 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 3: Zach Taylor, Dan Pitcher, Al Golden, Darren Simmons. Have you 320 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: been able to take away anything in the messaging you've 321 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: heard from the personnel and the coaches from the Bengals 322 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: at what they're looking to accomplish here at Indy? 323 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 2: My read and I really believe this is that the 324 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: Bengals know exactly what they want. They know the specific 325 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:33,479 Speaker 2: archetypes and styles and rolls that they'd like to assemble 326 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: to construct the specific defensive identity that they're looking for. 327 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: And my question, I think there's something that they and 328 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: I think something that they can't even truly know the 329 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 2: answer to right now is whether or not they're going 330 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: to be able to get all that done. And that's 331 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: not necessarily because they're busy with other stuff like they 332 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: were last year. They have the cap space to do it, 333 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: but in a moving market with a billion things going on, 334 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: in a bad class at defensive tackle, with some uncertainty 335 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: ifs you know the guy's wide view as the true 336 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 2: real three day one difference makers in the draft at 337 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 2: pick ten, that would be Bailey, that would be Bane, 338 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 2: that would be Down and you look at them a 339 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: certainty if any of those guys are going to be 340 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: on the board, like I don't know that you can 341 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: necessarily say, like we can guarantee this off season we'll 342 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 2: go according to Plan A. So that's my concern as 343 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 2: well as none. They've got to do a better job 344 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: of understanding the people they're bringing into the building and 345 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: how that impact the keep the whole. That's something they'll 346 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: need to do better this year as well. So those 347 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: are the questions I have. But what I do have 348 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: our answers. Here's what they're looking for in the line. 349 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: Here's what they're looking for at linebacker, here's what they're 350 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: looking for in the secondary. 351 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: Austin, do you think you would describe Charlie as potentially 352 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: a force multiplier? 353 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: I think I would. Yeah, I think there's no doubt 354 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: about that. I mean, just look what Fox nineteen has 355 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: done since his edition. 356 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Charlie, do you see yourself as a force multiplier? 357 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: That ties them? Thank you? That ties in them what 358 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: they're looking for. And so the idea I'm fascinated by 359 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: is that Al Golden didn't get to really show who 360 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: he really was last season just because he had to 361 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 2: simple five things to such an extreme extent. So there 362 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: is this versatility and scheme developments three hundred, four hundred, 363 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: five hundred level that he showed some on Thursday Night 364 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: and Thanksgiving. I think that was kind of a tease, 365 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: this is what I want to do. We're just not 366 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: there yet. And having those types of players actually would 367 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: give you the vision of what the Al Golden defense 368 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: really is all about. So that combination of versatility and 369 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 2: creativity and blitzing and all of that stuff piece together 370 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 2: tied into kind of my biggest takeaway from now, which 371 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 2: is he knows exactly what he's looking for, and he 372 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 2: kind of hopes he gets the chance to show it. 373 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: His defense is actually supposed to be all about. 374 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: The one thing I can't stop thinking about from when 375 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: Duke Tobin was talking to you guys was that he 376 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: described fourth round picks as Gino at He use every 377 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: single fourth round pick basically as Geno Atkins. And also 378 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: the answer about big swings in big misses. I don't 379 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 1: know that we necessarily learned anything. I think we just 380 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: heard him say it. What was your takeaway from the 381 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: answer about their philosophy with the value of picks and 382 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: with big swings. 383 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 2: I think there's one way in Duke's messaging that, like, 384 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: I think he's not a bit wrong, but like the 385 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: big swing was Kean Jamar. That was the big swing, 386 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 2: That was the right swing, and that takes away your 387 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: chances to make other big swings. You know, if you 388 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 2: didn't have Kan Jamar, maybe you have more of a 389 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: conversation about Max Crosby. But because you're paying King Jamorrow 390 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: because that was the right move to make, you'd be 391 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 2: too top heavy if you then spent for one of 392 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: those superstars while also going out and trading the draft 393 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: capital it would take to get them. So, but the 394 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: flip side of that is, you know the way they 395 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: Duke has talked about free agency from last year because 396 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: he said, well, we got four hundred dollars worth of 397 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: deals done. Well, really, no you didn't. So Jamar and 398 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: t were the big swings. They've done the big swing. 399 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 2: But it has to be different. And you know when 400 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: you asked about free agency last year, he goes to 401 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: those guys, No, you got to do more with the 402 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: external free agencystem. 403 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: The next time we talked to you, Charlie, the deadline 404 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: on whether or not to tag Trey Hendrickson will have passed. 405 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: I get the feeling that they're not going to do it. 406 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: Do you think it's really a possibility? And how do 407 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: you anticipate that plane out? 408 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 2: So here's what I've heard. I've tried to say this 409 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 2: in a few different ways over the last year and 410 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 2: a half. Has anyone ever heard that there's this robust 411 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: trade market for trade Henderson? 412 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: True? 413 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 2: And if there was this robust trade market for Tree Henderson, 414 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 2: I really don't think he'd have even made it through 415 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 2: last season with the Bengal Yeah, whether or not that 416 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 2: would have been an off season dealer or a trade 417 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 2: deadline deal. So Trey one of the best free agents 418 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 2: signed in Bengals history. I think he's actually going to 419 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: sustain a pretty decent career after this. But from what 420 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 2: I I've heard, the trade value that the Trey brings 421 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 2: to the table right now doesn't really do it for you. 422 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: Let's say that you know, they let him walk and 423 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: he's a free agent, and then they could get a 424 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: compensatory pick next year for him. That obviously is relying 425 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: upon how much they do in free agency. Do you 426 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: think there could be a trickle down effect on what 427 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: they do in this free agency because of how much 428 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: they value draft picks next year? Is am I making sense? 429 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: Am I getting too far in the weeds. 430 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: Sure they might not be there yet, they might not 431 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 2: be good enough yet to live that way, But I 432 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: know the ideal plan is not having to really worry 433 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: about that offset spending because you're extending so many guys, 434 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 2: right That's where the extension stuff comes into this, because 435 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 2: some of this money is going to Dak Kill and 436 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: DJ Turner, maybe Chase Brown. Well, now you're rolling because 437 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: that doesn't take away from your compick. So now are 438 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 2: they there yet at a point where they can just 439 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 2: live through extensions and not do as much in free agency. No, 440 00:20:58,480 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 2: but that's what they're trying to get. 441 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: How many times have you mixed up Chase Brown and 442 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: Chase Burns over the last week. 443 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 2: It's happening a lot. It's happening a lot, and I'm 444 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: worried about it. The hardest one I always say was 445 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: Jesse winker with and with no I versus Jesse Bates. 446 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: Whom I yeah, Charlie for our beloved Bearcats. Uh oh, 447 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 3: if we can win the final three of the regular 448 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 3: season and win two in the Big Twelve tournament, can 449 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 3: we hear our names on Selection Sunday? 450 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: The Bearcats are program still with strong loyal believers who 451 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: are just ready and waiting for a winner. Yeah. Like, 452 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: this isn't an original take, but the standard should be 453 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: hired in this. The team should be better than this. 454 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: I hope that they can always for the rest of 455 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 2: their life. Everyone on this team, you know, Jalen Cella's team, 456 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: look back at that Kansas win. Anything that happens from 457 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 2: here does not take away from what that Kansas win 458 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: can mean to these guys as individuals. But I don't 459 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: I'm still excited to watch, and I appreciate the way 460 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: this team's fought, but I think we this season is 461 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: fair enough. 462 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 3: Charlie, you are our force multiplier on Fridays. We appreciate you. 463 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 3: What's the easiest way to follow along with everything you 464 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: got going on? 465 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: Charlie schockbort On Substack on Fox nineteen got the Power 466 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: Stacks podcast is well, it's a fun time of year. 467 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 3: Love it, Charlie best Man, See guys, Charlie Goldsmith, there 468 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 3: he is. 469 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think officially listed as an executive producer 470 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: of the show. Yep, and force multiplier with the idea, well, 471 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: there's a that's a perfect example. 472 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 2: Yep. 473 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: That literally is a perfect example. You could do an 474 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: entire same Okay, we will deal abs segment every day. 475 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: That's something else that won't get sponsored. 476 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: Thank you, Charlie. Your talkbacks also non sponsored. Next ESPN 477 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 3: fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 478 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 1: Hey, Alexa,