1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Neil Savedra. You're listening to kfi EM six 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: forty the four Report on demand on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: This is the fore Report. I'm your well fed host, 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Neil Savadra. How do you do? Holding in my hand 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: a book by my next guest, a very talented artist, 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: Pumpkin Carver And uh former imagineer with Disney, which is Disney? 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Are you do you still do work with them? 8 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: I'm a Camier Camier get Away get Away imagineer. Well, 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 2: when they need me, they call me, and when they don't, 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: they put me back in the box. 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: I've been wondered that do you do you ever leave? 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Or is it like once you have your like Seal 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: Team six or something, Once you have those abilities, they 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: call you back for projects. 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: Once an imagineer, always an imagine well, of course, but uh, yes, 16 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: because I was very fast at what I did, they 17 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: would bring me back. And at one point they asked 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: me to come back and I said I wasn't able to. 19 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: I'll keep the reason why later, but I was unable to. 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: And so when I came, I said, how can I 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: be of service? And they said, well, we'll bring in 22 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: as a contractor and that allows me to do what 23 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: I do on the outside over here, and then what 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: do you need me? They just reach out and say hey, 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: are you free, and I say yes or no. I 26 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: call it the catbird seat. 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: Well, oh yeah, that's a great And of course that 28 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: is the voice of Terry Harden, who is We had 29 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: her on last year around this time to talk about 30 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: pumpkin carving and the like. But you know, I've asked 31 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: my friend Derek to Derek Young to stay because he's 32 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: also a fan of Disney and the like and to 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: be able to sit and hang out with you as 34 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: a real treat as well. So when it comes to Disney, 35 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: you said that you were faster what you do. Every imagineer, 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 1: I imagine has to be sort of a universalist in 37 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: the sense that you have a bunch of skills, but 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: you're known for one. What's the skill that they lean 39 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: on you for. 40 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: They brought me in as a sculptor originally and sculptor 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: of hard foam, and that means the floral foam that 42 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: you often put flowers in. There's different grades. I know 43 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: you know this, there's different grades. 44 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 3: She knows that she's like. 45 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 4: The two and the. 46 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 2: Gold foam is the four pound phone, and the white 47 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: foam is. 48 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,920 Speaker 1: The six pound foam. 49 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: But each one is for carving. And one of the 50 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: things that many companies realize because I had been doing 51 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: it for the film industry for so long, and they'd 52 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: bring in the green foam. And when you carve the 53 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 2: green foam, it creates static, which means it gets all 54 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: over you, which means you try to spray yourself off, 55 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: and then you go home and someone who's unsuspecting and 56 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: loves you and cares about you gets it in their eye. 57 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 2: It's like glass. So I would come in and say, 58 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: if you are willing to invest in the gold, the 59 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: gold falls to the ground, and Disney said, this is fantastic. 60 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: We don't need to wear suits, we don't have to 61 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 2: try and spray off all. All we have to do 62 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 2: is carve it. So that's how a lot of the 63 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 2: gold foam came in. 64 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: And that's that's an expertise that you that only comes 65 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: from getting that crap in your eye. I mean, really, 66 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: it's only once you use any material and you start 67 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 1: learning its limitations and your limitations with it, is when 68 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: you become an expert. So what was do you remember 69 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: the very first thing you ever carved out of foam. 70 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: Big Thunder Mountain I did for Disney. That was the 71 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: thing for Big Thunder Paris was the first thing. And 72 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: then I went to battle for my dragons Layer. So 73 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: underneath the castle in Paris there's a dragon, thirty five 74 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: foot dragon that is animated and roars and breezes fire. 75 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: And originally it was going to be stone, and I went, 76 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: are you kidding me? Wait? Aren't we Disney. Don't we 77 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: animate stuff? Why is it stone? And I had to 78 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: go to battle to fight for it to be animated, 79 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: and Tony Baxter, who was in charge, the person I 80 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: stood before, said okay, we'll do it, but you got 81 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: to design the attraction. And I remember in my heart 82 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 2: I went, oh oh, but I just leat through the door. 83 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: I tell everybody, go through that door. Worry about how 84 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: to do it later. Right, I would have been, That's 85 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: exactly what I did, Just go through the door. 86 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: I got this, You know, because you can't know if 87 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: it's always, if you're always going to be breaking new 88 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,239 Speaker 1: ground in some form, and with a company like Disney, 89 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: you have to. Then you can't be sure of anything 90 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: but yourself. 91 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: And I had never done an attraction before. But I 92 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 2: said to myself, if it's one thing I do know, 93 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: it's dragons. So I said, I'll just go in and 94 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: I'll make it for myself. And it became one of 95 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: the most popular attractions in Paris. 96 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: That's fair. 97 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: Even though it's not really an attraction. Everyone will day 98 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 2: it's not really attraction. It's not, but I will say, 99 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: as someone who just recently visited a couple of years ago, 100 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: it's absolutely fantastic and probably my favorite thing in the 101 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: entire park. I'm so glad that you got to see 102 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: it because it breaks my heart when people say, oh, 103 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: I went to Paris, and I say, do you see 104 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: my did you see my dragon? And they said there's 105 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: a dragon in Paris? And it just crushes you. 106 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: Do you do slap them hard? Oh? 107 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: Oh no, you got to go back to Paris now 108 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: and see the dragon And they're like, what do you mean? 109 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, because people save up to go 110 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 2: to these places, you want to make sure they that 111 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 2: they see. 112 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: So were you at carving mccuettes. Are you doing it 113 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: to scale? Are you creating that and fun? 114 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: We were, we were carving models. I was first hired 115 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven, and it took them three months 116 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: to decide that I was someone that they wanted to 117 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: have there. Once I went there, they put me in 118 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: what was called the rock work division and we started 119 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: carving big Thunder Mountain. And while we were doing that, 120 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: the person I was working with was not the easiest 121 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: to get along with, but they said, we think you're 122 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: gregarious enough you can do it. And I think the 123 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: way we ended up working together was I told him, 124 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: you know, we're equal level, and so if he doesn't 125 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: want to see me climb all over him when people 126 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 2: of higher authority want to hear about the attraction, then 127 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 2: he needs to enter. He needs to include me. He 128 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: was just a few days before me, and he said okay, 129 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: And then afterwards he really liked me and wanted me 130 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 2: to do the area where the queue and I said, no, 131 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to fight for Dragon's Layer because I 132 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: had seen it and said, I paid my penance, Now 133 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: I want good for you. I want to do and 134 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 2: I asked for dragons Lair and fought for it. 135 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: See, I'm fascinated by carving stone, though I mean carving 136 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: anything organic that has to make me believe that it's 137 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: real for part of the entertainment. To me, that's a 138 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: that's a difficult thing. 139 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: You bring up a really good point. So here's the thing. 140 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: Most most sculptures want rocks. You have to carve rocks. 141 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: How boring, And I said, have you ever carved rocks? 142 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: And they're, well, no, but it's can't be like carving 143 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 2: a face or carving. But what I realized was when 144 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: you're sculpting, most of the time you go from A 145 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: to Z to carve rocks, you have to stop somewhere 146 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 2: on your way to Z because that's where you see 147 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 2: God is God moments. Yeah, So, because if you take 148 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: it to the one hundred percent, it looks fake and 149 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: you can't do horsehead rock, you can't do papoose rock 150 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: because it looks fake. And that's when you realize that 151 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: you're going to have to back off of that because 152 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: you're not God. And I thought that was really liberating, 153 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: you know, learning to carve to a certain point and 154 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: then that's what kept it real. But if you went 155 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: too far, it was like ah. 156 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, you get into that territory where your humanity 157 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: is seen more clearly, and you start going that looks 158 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: like the set of Star Trek. You're having a business, yes, 159 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: you know, never me. All right, it's the Fork or 160 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: Fort Nil Savage. As we celebrate Halloween this month. Of course, 161 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: we've got Terry Harden here master pumpkin carver and sculptress, 162 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: but also a book. This book I'm holding my hands 163 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: giggling pumpkin, pumpkin that you were kind enough to bring 164 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: to me for my boy. And it's got some art 165 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: in here by you as well, Disney imagineer at all, 166 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: all that wonderful stuff. And we'll come back and talk 167 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: about pumpkins and some more. So go know where you're. 168 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 4: Listening to The Fork Report with Nil Savedra on demand 169 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 4: from KFI AM six forty. 170 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: Chatting with Terry Harden on the Fork Report right now. 171 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: And of course I'm always thrilled to talk with creatives 172 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: on the show, whether it's talking about food or right 173 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: now talking about the you know, the Halloween season and 174 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: participating in making food, creating you know, fun elements, whether 175 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: you're decorating the house on the inside, decorating on the outside, 176 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: and what a treat to have Terry back to the show. 177 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: She's a Disney imagineer, a sculptor, an artist, and she 178 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: loves pumpkin carving. And this is you know, this is 179 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: your super Bowl season two because you do a lot 180 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 1: of classes and teach people how to carve pumpkins, don't. 181 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: You, Yes, I do. And this has been a tumultuous 182 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: month because people started wanting to book classes and then 183 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: they would say, I'd say, I like to provide the 184 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: pumpkins so that everybody has an equal chance of carving them. 185 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: A lot of people will go to a market and 186 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: carve a pumpkin. If you're a first timer, those market 187 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: pumpkins can be the devil and you would be trying 188 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: to carve it, and you would feel like if you've 189 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: done it, if it's your first time, you feel it's 190 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: you because that's what first timers do. I can't carve 191 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: this pumpkin the way I've seen Terry do it. Why 192 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: am I having so much trouble? And if I'm there 193 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: with you, I can say because that pumpkin is terrible. 194 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: And what you need to do is go to a 195 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: pumpkin patch and find a couple of pumpkins that are 196 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: really very very good for carving. The dimensional carvings that 197 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: you see on outrageous pump which is the show that 198 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: I'm the judge on. 199 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: So do you have you really looked in someone's eyes 200 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: and said, Darling, it's not you, it's the pumpkin. Oh yeah, 201 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I want to say. 202 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: That it's not you, it's the pumpkins. Here, let's get 203 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: you another one. 204 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: Okay. So is there a way? I mean, people are 205 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: I've tested every theory about choosing produce and watermelons, everything. 206 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: How do you how do you pick a good pumpkin 207 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: for carving. 208 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 2: Don't go to the supermarket, don't go to Walmart, don't 209 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: go to a cheap place where they probably ordered them 210 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 2: from Mexico. No offense to Mexico, but Mexico has a 211 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 2: variety of pumpkin that is a lot like celery, and 212 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: if your tool catches it, it rips the pumpkin in half. 213 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: This is devastating for a beginner, and I don't like that, 214 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: so I always so this year I had to say, 215 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: I'm doing a class up in Santa Anna with the 216 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: Vogel Victoria and she has a lot of followers and 217 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 2: she reached out to me and we're doing a masterclass 218 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 2: and we're doing it next weekend on the twelfth. She said, 219 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 2: we're going to have to tell them to get their 220 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: own pumpkins because I want to make the price in August. 221 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: And I said, the pumpkins aren't available, they won't price 222 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: them yet. So to answer your question, the easiest is 223 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: a white ghost, but not the kind you see at Walmart. 224 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: The white ghosts have a shape and a ridge, and 225 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 2: the problem is that it's more closer to a gourd 226 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: than it is a pumpkin. You want that super smooth 227 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 2: white ghost that looks almost like a cassaba that has 228 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: that smooth, smooth feel, or you want to get what's 229 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: called a wolf wolf it has what appears to have 230 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: a tree trunk growing out of it. The ratio from 231 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: pumpkin to stem is ridiculous, like the stem takes up 232 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: two thirds of the little bitty punkin underneath, or the 233 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: size of the pumpkin if it's a basketball it has 234 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: like a three inch or a two and a half inch. 235 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: Then that looks like a tree drunk. So you know 236 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: that that's a wolf and that's the easiest way to 237 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: identify it. Go to a patch and if you don't know, ask, 238 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: But these classic jack lantern ones are completely designed and 239 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: created for jack Landers for carving a hole and putting 240 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: a light inside. But this technique that I teach and 241 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,439 Speaker 2: many have seen is to carve like the show and 242 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: do faces and monsters and all kind of skulls. 243 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: The flesh the meat of the pumpkins different. Yeah, wow, 244 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: that is Those are great tips because people will call 245 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: me all the time about you know, I went and 246 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: got a pumpkin to try and make pumpkin pie from scratch, 247 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: and I said, oh, no, that's a different pumpkin. You know, 248 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: those sugar pumpkins are different, and that you can't just 249 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: do it with a store pumpkin because they are bred 250 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: differently for different uses. I wouldn't cook with them to 251 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: begin with. But I never thought that carving you're gonna 252 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: get in the celery. God, that sounds horrible to think of. 253 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: You hit something and then all of a sudden, it's 254 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: like pulling a zipper. 255 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: Now, my husband was carving with me and this happened. 256 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 2: It was like a zipper and then he took thread 257 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: and he stitched it back up. To me, well, he 258 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: is living with his wife. There are only happy accents. Goes, Okay, he. 259 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: Did that, my dad, God rest, his soul was an 260 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: artist too. He said, use your mistakes. Until I got 261 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: into tattooing. I'm like that as easy. The whole key 262 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: is not to have them in this case. And do 263 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: you let the I don't know, not to get sappy, 264 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: but do you let the pumpkin shape speak to you 265 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: as far as how you're gonna what you're gonna put 266 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: on it? Or do you go in with, you know, 267 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: looking for a pumpkin that fits something that's in your 268 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: head already. 269 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: It kind of depends on the pumpkin, It depends on 270 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: the class. I try to get people to do a face, eyes, nose, mouth, 271 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 2: teeth or no teeth, angry or not angry, because then 272 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 2: I can teach you the techniques and then you can 273 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: carve it. Learn the techniques, and then you can go 274 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 2: off and carve another one with whatever you want. But 275 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: most of the people that come to my class have 276 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 2: an idea. They want to do a lot of Disney stuff. 277 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: They've seen pumpkins on the internet they want to do, 278 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: and my goal is to teach them, you know, to 279 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: do what picture they're doing. Because one of the things 280 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: I hate about classes, and I'm going to catch it 281 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: from some of my outrageous pumpkins contestants because they do 282 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: one thing and then they teach everybody. But the problem 283 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: with that is the beginner we'll look over at the 284 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: person next to them and go, oh, mine's not that good, 285 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 2: and they'll put the tool down and they won't they 286 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: won't go any further. So I can't have that in 287 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 2: my class, with everyone doing something different that they're passionate about. Yes, 288 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: it's hard to work for me as a teacher. I'm 289 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: leaping around like a leprechaut. But they're so much happier 290 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: when they're done, and they never look at someone else 291 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: and say that person is doing better than me, because 292 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: they're all different. 293 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: I love that, and that's a superior teaching method. And 294 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: it's a pain in the ass, like what you said, 295 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: I but it is because of the fact that, unlike 296 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: our school system that tries to fit everybody into one mold, 297 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: you teach people on the level and the desire and 298 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: the passion of the individual. We'll talk more. Can you 299 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: stick around? 300 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: Sure? 301 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: Let's talk all right with Terry Harden. She is a 302 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: Disney imagineer. She is a pumpkin carver. She is a 303 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: delight and an artist and a kindred spirit. We'll talk 304 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: more about pumpkin carving when we return on the Fork Report. 305 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 4: You're listening to The Fork Report with Nil Sevadra on 306 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 4: demand from KFI AM six forty. 307 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging out with us today. The holidays are 308 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: upon us, and of course I'm a big fan of Halloween, 309 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: and then Thanksgiving is you know, foodies uniting to be 310 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: thankful via food, and then Christmas and all that stuff. So, uh, 311 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: it just is. I love this time of year, and 312 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: so we're making sure each show is chalk filled with 313 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: holiday stuff. And we talked about building props for a 314 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: haunt if you want to do that in your front yard. 315 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: We're talking right now with Terry Harden. She's an imagineer 316 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: for Disney and she is a sculptor and an artist, 317 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: and she teaches people how to carve pumpkins. And obviously 318 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: she just taught us how to even pick the right 319 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: pumpkin for carving. I never thought about that. And I've 320 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: carved pumpkins before, and I've experimented with all kinds of different, 321 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, methods, but I never thought that there's a 322 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: species or a type of pumpkin that I should be 323 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: looking for. Even though I've carved a gorge and you 324 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: know or you know having this, you know a squash 325 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: which is the same family and everything, and the flesh 326 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: is different, yes, and that you know you could tell, 327 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: but I never thought so. The wolf, the wolf, and 328 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: the big. 329 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 2: Step easy ones. But like on the show of Outrageous Pumpkins, 330 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: there's a great one if you can find it, mostly 331 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: at patches, called the big Mac or the prize winner. 332 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 2: Now a lot of times prize winners grow really really huge, 333 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 2: but a big mac can be about one hundred, two 334 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounds. 335 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: Holy's small. 336 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: That's lovely about these, and I try to get them 337 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: for beginners. Is the wall is about four inches thick. 338 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: When you take the covering off, you have four inches 339 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: of depth to play with. And this was usually the 340 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 2: pumpkins I would carve for shows like True Blood or 341 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 2: Desperate Housewives or many of them. Many people would have 342 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: me carve them for parties and stuff, and I would 343 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 2: always say, you know, I can carve it for you, 344 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 2: but take my video and take my tools and I'll 345 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 2: teach you how to do it. In the class, this 346 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: is only like a hundred bucks instead of five or 347 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: six to have me do it. 348 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 4: You know. 349 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: Wow, that's super cool. 350 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 3: You know. 351 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: So it's a and my Patreon page, which is something 352 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: that is just great because people it's the one place 353 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 2: they can find me live and live. We do a 354 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: call each week on my Patreon page, and this is 355 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 2: something that they all love to do. So we tried 356 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: to get together and do it. This year's been a 357 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 2: little bit crazier than usual because we lost the location 358 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: that we were going to do it at. But I said, 359 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 2: you know, so now we've relocated to a place in 360 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: see Me Valley and we're going to do it on Wednesday, 361 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 2: the twenty ninth, and it's eighty dollars and I will 362 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: provide the pumpkin and they will be a smaller big mac. 363 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: Wow. I love that. God bless Patreon. I got to 364 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: tell you something about artistry. This could be actors, singers, performers, artists. 365 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: So there was always a gatekeeper, so someone made money 366 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,959 Speaker 1: off of the artist, thry for you to do what 367 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 1: you do. Patreon moves that out of the way and 368 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: allows those of us that love what artists do to 369 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: directly pay to them. Of course Patreon takes its portion 370 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: or what have you, but there's no gatekeepers anymore that says, oh, 371 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: you can only do your art if you do it 372 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: through our system and we get the cut. Whether it's 373 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, recording artists, whether it's actors or writers or whatever. 374 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: That owning your own craft is important, and it's one 375 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: of the reasons why I do what I can to 376 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: support artists that I enjoy. Because you know, so I 377 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: love that you're on Patreon as well, and well you. 378 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: Can still do well on it because people find you 379 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: and they say, you know, I want to support what 380 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: you're doing. I want to support the support your giving 381 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And I have a YouTube channel 382 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: and an Instagram page and all of that 'es bes 383 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 2: Just to google my name. It's easier. Terry Harden dot 384 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 2: com is my website. But Patreon is a place that 385 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: I've decided as I work towards semi retirement, no artist 386 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: ever retires, that that's where I'm going to be live. 387 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 2: So if you want to talk to me live, that's 388 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 2: where you're going to be able to do it. Unless 389 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: I'm at a venue like these sure courses and classes 390 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: and stuff. 391 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: I love it, so there's got to be someone listening 392 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: that and I don't just mean that. By the way, Kayla, 393 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: there's got to be someone listening. I know that there's 394 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: people that there's got I'm sorry to say something. What 395 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: there's we know there's people listening. My point being that 396 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: that are looking to get into carving pumpkins, you've told 397 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: them what kind of pumpkins they should look into. What 398 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: are the tools because it can also be dangerous too, 399 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: because the sticky nature of the flesh and the sharp 400 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: blade and all of that. So what's the best tools 401 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: to carve with? 402 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 2: Well, now, on utrageous pumpkins, the pros use all different 403 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: kinds of tools, including knives and chainsaws and all kinds 404 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: of crazies. Sure, but for the beginner, you can use 405 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 2: a ceramic sculpting tool, which is a loop tool that 406 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: is often used in ceramics. The difference is it has 407 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 2: a beveled edge, so it's not a soft tool. It's 408 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: got edges on it. And I have a set of 409 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 2: tools you can buy at my store by going to 410 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: Terry Harn dot com click on online store and then 411 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 2: you can say. 412 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: That's cool, So that's what they need. 413 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've teak about four if you don't know, but 414 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 2: a lot of people who do sculpting or ceramics sculpting. 415 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: They're going to see these tools and go, I have 416 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: a set right here. You know, you may not want 417 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: to gum them up with pumpkin, but you know what 418 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: it is, and you know, and they're made by Kemper, 419 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: And we almost lost Kemper, but Sculpture House picked them up, 420 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: and so I didn't get to lose I didn't have 421 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: to lose those tools. I'm very, very fun. 422 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: Doesn't that stink? When things change or don't change hands 423 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: and they go away and nobody picks up the legacy 424 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: or the molds or the techniques or those types of things. 425 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: That's very frustrating because artists are a picky bunch and 426 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 1: once you find something you love, and this is. 427 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: A beautiful tool. It's made in the USA. I've carved 428 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: with it since it was about twenty fifteen, twenty years old. 429 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 2: So I was devastated when I heard it might not 430 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: have You know, it wasn't going to go away. It 431 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: was gonna go a wait. I think everybody was buying 432 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 2: a big amount of them, and then Sculpture House stepped 433 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 2: in and said we're going to adopt it. So it's 434 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: still good. It's still there. You don't have to rely 435 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 2: on a cheap tool from somewhere else. You can actually 436 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: get those Kemper tools and they're gonna they're going to 437 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: do right by you, and they really are wonderful for 438 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: carving pumpkins. 439 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: Do you freehand on the pumpkin? If so, what kind 440 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: of marker or do you use? And then two, is 441 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: there stencils or anything that a newbie would want to about. 442 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: Some of the my some of my students want to 443 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: stencil because they feel comfortable. I'll usually just map it 444 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 2: out with Kimber makes a mini ribbon tool. It's a 445 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 2: tiny tool, and once you've taken the skin off, you can, 446 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 2: by the way you use it, draw with that tool. 447 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: So you can dig in about a I'd say a 448 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: sixteenth of an inch to do your drawing. And if 449 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: you don't like it, then you take one of the 450 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: bigger Kemper tools and scrape it off. Because remember you've 451 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: got walls that are two inches or four inches, so 452 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: scraping it off isn't going to do much to the 453 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: thickness of your pumpkins. So you can do it several 454 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 2: times and really get that depth and all of that really, 455 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: and then I light mine, which okay. 456 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: That's my next question. So lighting them, you have to 457 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: think and reverse. The thinner the wall, the brighter the 458 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: light is going to shine through the thicker the wall 459 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: is going to be your shadows. 460 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 2: Yes, and they are gorgeous. You get roses and peach color. 461 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: And if you get certain ghosts, like there's a farm 462 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 2: in More Park which I can't remember the name of it, 463 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: but they have ghosts, and some of the ghosts when 464 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: you take the flesh off, are peach or pink underwood underwood. 465 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: Farms under I was just looking it up. I think 466 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: it's underwood farms and we. 467 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: Can see these ghosts. They're about the size of a 468 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: large medicine ball or basketball. And sometimes when you take 469 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 2: the white off of it, they are like a casaba 470 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 2: mel and they're white or they're peach. And peach is 471 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 2: like winning at the lottery because they're just beautiful peach 472 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,479 Speaker 2: color in the daylight. But then when they're lit you 473 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 2: get all of that as well. But the closer you 474 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 2: go to the light, the brighter the light. So you 475 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 2: think of a hole in a jack lantern and then 476 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 2: anywhere from the outside where it can be black to 477 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: and then between that that strectrum and you can really 478 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: create some wonderful things. And lighting them is really good 479 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: because your beginner is going to carve and they're gonna 480 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 2: feel You'll always get one person you're asking, you know, 481 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: do you have to kind of coax them along? And 482 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: I had one woman. She cried the whole time she 483 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: was and I said to her, I say, you're only 484 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 2: an inch deep, you have three inches to go. Let's 485 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 2: fix this. It's fine, You're just not far enough. And 486 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: then when we took it into a booth and we 487 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: put a light in it, she cried because she couldn't 488 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 2: believe how gorgeous it was. So it was just someone 489 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 2: who just had heard that voice that people often say 490 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 2: to you, which is, don't quit your day job. What's 491 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: that supposed to share? What makes you think you're an artist? 492 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,479 Speaker 2: Don't let someone else tell you what you can do 493 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 2: and how you can do it. And I do the 494 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: pumpkins to help everyone realize that they are artists. You're 495 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: just listening to the wrong voice. 496 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've been deaf to those voices forever. Derek 497 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: and I were talking about those today, about people who 498 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: feel the need I mean when you're public in any way, 499 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: obviously a YouTube channel or whatever, there's comment sections, whatever. 500 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: Thirty years plus of doing talk radio, trust me, I'm 501 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: so calloused when people say things. I'm just like, wow, 502 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: I apologize if I did anything that made you think 503 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: I cared about your opinion, if that was wrong of 504 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: me to imply that it's important to me. If you 505 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: have you know, if somebody steps out and said, hey, 506 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: I heard you say this, and he confused me, that's 507 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: a different thing. I said, no, no, no, that's not 508 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: what I meant, or you know, that's not really me. 509 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: I'm playing a character of poking round with people I 510 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: work with, just the same way you would it your 511 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: work or things like that. To clarify, But the people 512 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: that sit there in a dark room somewhere in their 513 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: mom's basement, try and tell me. I'm like, brother, where 514 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: were you when I was climbing this pole in the 515 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: first place? But that is really I love that, And Terry, 516 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: it's always a real treat to take some time and 517 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: chat with you. Please make sure that you give all 518 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: the information for people to be able to find you again. 519 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: Terry Harden dot com. 520 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, Terry Harden dot com. Is a good place to 521 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 2: start because from there you can go to my Instagram page, 522 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: which is Terry Harden Legend. You can go over to 523 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: the YouTube channel which is just put it in there 524 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 2: under Terry Harden. It really is best to google because 525 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 2: there's two Wikipedia pages. Someone has done a dulcier on 526 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 2: me that's like twenty four pages long. Wow, And I 527 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: was amazed at how much I had done when I 528 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: read it, and I was like, this is kind of 529 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 2: fun that someone else decided to do this. I guess 530 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,239 Speaker 2: others would think it was a stalker, but honestly, I 531 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: really did love that they. 532 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: Seriously, I double think that whole stalker thing. That's a 533 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: good puff. Anybody wrote twenty four. 534 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: Pages, and it really has done me well because there 535 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 2: are places that want me to speak at schools and things. 536 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: Oh one, I'll do it a bio that's short, and 537 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 2: I'll say I have this one that's twenty four pages long, 538 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: and they go, let me have that one, and they'll 539 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 2: actually read through the whole thing. So it's I think 540 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: the main thing is that if someone is out there 541 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: and they're worried that their topic is to everybody's talking 542 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 2: about it and whatever, just remember you, you are your 543 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 2: unique self sure and you always have something to add 544 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 2: to the conversation. So please, if you want to do 545 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 2: a YouTube channel, if you want to, you know, talk 546 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 2: on the Instagram or whatever, just do it because you'll 547 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: find that, even if nobody's listening, it's a good vit 548 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 2: point for you. 549 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, do it for yourself first, and people can 550 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: figure out what to do with it after. 551 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 2: My opinion out in the airwaves. Let's see if anybody's listening. 552 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: Stick around. Will have one final segment as we as 553 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: we usher in Tiffany Hobbs, who comes up at five o'clock, 554 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: we'll chat just a little bit more. I think what 555 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: a twenty five page Wikipedia page on me would be. 556 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: Neil's been in radio for a very very very very 557 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 1: very very very very very very how many pages, very 558 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: very very AnyWho. 559 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 4: You're listening to The Fork Report with nilsa Adra on 560 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 4: demand from KFI AM six forty. 561 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: My YouTube but YouTube is it's Terry. You can do 562 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: Terry harden slash. It's Terry. I do my best to 563 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,479 Speaker 2: do a broadcast every Monday and just talk about the 564 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: upcoming news. Like the figure from of Walt Disney was 565 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: one of the later ones I did as I discussed that, gotcha. Yeah. 566 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 2: Then then there's the instag you know Instagram, which is 567 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: Terry Harden legend. So the best thing to do is 568 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: to google and then it'll come through and tell you 569 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 2: and then write to me if you have questions at 570 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: Terry at Terry Harden dot com. 571 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very lovely that you keep yourself so accessible 572 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: to other creatives and people that want to learn. Thanks 573 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: for taking time to come on. It's nice to see you. 574 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: Thank you for asking me. Thank you for of course 575 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: you're a perennial times a fan of this station. 576 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: Oh you know what, we never ever hate hearing that. 577 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: I know and I can't stop saying. My husband is like, 578 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: I have to do two things already on my in 579 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: my car, so when I use his car, I don't 580 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: have to search for it. 581 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: It's lots we like to hear. And what you'll be 582 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: listening to on your way home is this next lady, 583 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: Tiffany Hobbs. How are you? 584 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 3: I'm well, you have two so cow legends in here, Terry, 585 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 3: I'm I'm stars struck. I'm often stars struck following Neil 586 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 3: because he has the best guests but no one has 587 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 3: ever come in here with that jacket that you have here, Terry, 588 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 3: with the soles on it. You can leave that behind 589 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 3: you as a partying gift for your love for the. 590 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 2: Station design myself. 591 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: Please, that is incredible. Oh my god, but I'm well, 592 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 3: how are you, neil I? Hello's right, it's. 593 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: Okay, hie. No, it's this is leading into your show. 594 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: This is where we do the handshake. Yes, and you 595 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: grab the baton and hopefully not drop it. No, I 596 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: never do. I enjoy your show. And I told you 597 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: when I saw you today that I'm very proud of you. 598 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: I think you do a fantastic job. I love balance 599 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: and thought. It's very easy to be ejaculatory and needs 600 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: on the station. And I like thinkers. 601 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, I like to think. 602 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: And you're an artist as well. 603 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 3: And I'm an artist. I'm a photographer. Yeah, so I'm 604 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 3: not an imagineer. I would never consider myself you know, 605 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 3: your legion, either of yours. But I am an artist, 606 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 3: so I appreciate everything you do. Thank you. I put 607 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 3: the socowhaunt list dot Com into my phone because I 608 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 3: love a good haunt. I'll be looking at that site. 609 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: I love it. I love I don't know. I love 610 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 1: make believe and the more real you can make it, 611 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: the more I suspend disbelief, the better. And uh and 612 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: I love that. So what's going on tonight on the 613 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: Tiffany h Speaking of. 614 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,719 Speaker 3: Real things, we have quite a few updates about some 615 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 3: huge stories in the news. Of course, Sean Diddycomb's was sentenced. 616 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: I'll tell you about what happened in the courtroom yesterday. 617 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: More like a phrase than a sentence. 618 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: More that's abbreviation at this point, but he will do 619 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: some time. And as you've been hearing, former USC quarterback 620 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 3: Mark Sanchez was stabbed, right, and now he's a round 621 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 3: the Yeah, there's some crazy twists and turns to this story. 622 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 3: So I have some of the details as they continue 623 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 3: to unfold, because this is an ever unfolding situation. We're 624 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 3: going to talk about kind of the blowback from the 625 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,959 Speaker 3: Chevron refinery fire. What does it mean for your gas prices? 626 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 3: That's definitely the question on everybody everyone's minds. No fatalities, 627 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 3: no injuries, luckily, but what will happen to gas prices? 628 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 3: Costco is going to be stocking their shelves with something 629 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 3: that could change your life. I'll tell you what that is. 630 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: And I fully expect Bill to do this story on 631 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 3: Monday because it's a Costco story and he loves his Costco. 632 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 3: So I'll share the details therein keep listening and deep dive. 633 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 3: At six o'clock, we're going to get into why kids 634 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 3: can't read anymore. It's a lot to this, and then 635 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 3: after six thirty a pair of AI and chat GPT 636 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,239 Speaker 3: stories that will undoubtedly terrify you. Speaking of haunts and 637 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 3: speaking of real and speaking of not real AI and 638 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: chat GPT, all of those things are going to mesh 639 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 3: together for our final final pair of stories, Big show. 640 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: It is weird when the younger generation watches Star Wars 641 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: and thinks the only one that speaks correctly is Yoda. 642 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: I like that. Now that's guy and everybody else is 643 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: talking weird with all these full sentences and syntax and 644 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Weird. 645 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 3: Remember when Dystopia used to be kind of a figment 646 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 3: of the imagination Joe, and now it's here. 647 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, we got Dystopia before we got flying cars. 648 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 3: Seriously, or as the kids would say before GTA six video. 649 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 3: Yeah there you go. 650 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: Always good to see you. I will be listening and 651 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: have a wonderful show thanks to my wonderful guests. To 652 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: be Halloween and we will catch you again next week. 653 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: Have empathy, be kind to each other. It's free. This 654 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: is KFI and KOSTHD two Los Angeles, Orange County. You've 655 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,839 Speaker 1: been listening to the Fork Report. You can always hear 656 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: us live on KFI AM six forty two to five 657 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,239 Speaker 1: pm on Saturday, and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.