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Speaker 1: the morning man, Tom Brennanman, Tom and h Tom Brenneman.

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Speaker 1: He really likes to stay hydrated. He has two giant

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Speaker 1: ninety six ounces of fluid, and they're both empty. In

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Speaker 1: five hours. That's a lot of liquid. Tom has a

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Speaker 1: stupendous bladder. I'm going with that. Hopefully it's not all coffee,

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Speaker 1: because that's a lot of coffee. Man, Almost one hundred

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Speaker 1: short of sitting. Nonetheless, I ain't judging. I ain't judging.

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Speaker 1: We got some news here in the city of Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: and the battle of our security cameras. As you know,

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Speaker 1: they allotted in the fall one hundred fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: course did we have security cameras know around the park

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Speaker 1: council member Mark Jeffries. Welcome, Mark, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well, Thanks Scott.

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Speaker 1: Do you think one hundred ounces of liquid in a

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Speaker 2: I have that. Let me tell you. I wake up

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Speaker 2: My dad is Dutch. I think they're the most. They

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Speaker 2: drink the most coffee of any people. So I'm a

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Speaker 2: four to five cups coffee person today, so I have

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but one hundred ounce that's not four or

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Speaker 1: five cups, it's forty or fifty cups a lot.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Damn. Let's say he's like his own. This bladder's like

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Speaker 1: get into the security camera issue. You guys have met

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Speaker 1: about this. I know folks in the West End communitators

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Speaker 1: are a little skeptical about whether increased surveillance selects of

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Speaker 1: reduced crime in the neighborhood. But at least you know,

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Speaker 1: I have eyes in the skies, you can apprehend people,

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Speaker 1: we gave you one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. You

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Speaker 1: public safety, and we're supposed to have cameras in and

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Speaker 1: nothing happened. How can you put in a context what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple things on this, Scott. So First, the

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Speaker 2: folks in the West End actually want cameras, and there's

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Speaker 2: people there, I don't care where you live in the

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Speaker 2: safety you want in the city. You want safety, period.

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Speaker 2: So we did allocate the money. What we have a

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Speaker 2: at least six of the twelve camera's been put up

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Speaker 3: So he has those.

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Speaker 2: He has a commitment to fix ninety nine total or

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Speaker 2: We need these in Price Hill. We've had incidents in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, is I put in the context here?

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Speaker 3: Now one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think people who might be stealing something

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Speaker 1: Not at all. I mean, we got people driving like not.

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Speaker 1: We just had another one hundred and fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: How can you assuage people's fears but also give them

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Speaker 2: I think we kudos to Interim Chief Henny who said

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Speaker 2: And it's little steps like that where we build trusts

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Speaker 2: look at it and say, Okay, we implemented what we

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Speaker 1: I'll circle back because you know, I was speaking the

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Speaker 3: Yep, no much needed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's a good thing. I know, more

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Speaker 1: We've known for a while that youth football teams in

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Speaker 1: but also security. In a lot of youth football teams

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Speaker 1: That said, though, I like the idea that the city

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of things. I mean, look, youth football, it's,

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Speaker 2: and that outlasts any of the games, right, and so

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Speaker 2: You want to keep them out of trouble from a

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Speaker 2: We don't have any dedicated youth football fields, so we

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Speaker 2: commission at different fields where it might be possible. We

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Speaker 2: also have the police academy down in Lower Price. About safety,

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Speaker 2: if you have a game literally right outside of a

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Speaker 3: As safe as it gets.

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Speaker 2: So we need to identify these fields to give kids

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Speaker 1: I know that Spinny Field is under consideration, as is

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Speaker 1: other sites picked out that may be open. To this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one the Hamilton County Fairgrounds, and we were

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Speaker 2: these are all volunteers. All the people who do this,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes sense, and you get you know

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Speaker 1: a direct line between reducing crime powered all those things.

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Speaker 1: If you can keep kids engaged in school, in doing well,

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Speaker 2: I have been talking to the Bengals Scott for about

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Speaker 2: half of which by the fans, and that could really

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Speaker 1: You think maybe a little kickback, if you want to

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Speaker 1: No, it's good for the community too. You can't force

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Speaker 2: Oh, of course, Scott. But you know it's not happening.

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Speaker 2: So you know some things that are happening. My you know,

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Speaker 1: Scott all Right, Yeah, all the best man there you go.

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Speaker 1: things like that. So the obvious question being, well, well,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals should be down with that, right, And if

435
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Speaker 1: you just heard Mark Jeffers, he said not really. He's

436
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Speaker 1: been working with them Courtney and Mark a year and

437
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Speaker 1: a half and crickets And first of all, if you're

438
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Speaker 1: looking to share, and every time we bring this up,

439
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,400
Speaker 1: you know, there's always some sort of trickle down about

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Speaker 1: how the Bengals aren't happy that you know, we're talking

441
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 1: badly about them or saying, you know, negative. You can

442
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Speaker 1: change that perception in the community. It's easy to do.

443
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Speaker 1: I'm not one to tell a billionaire how to spend

444
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Speaker 1: their money or a millionaire for that money. It's your money,

445
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Speaker 1: do what you want. But as a member of the community,

446
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Speaker 1: as someone who roots very hard for Cincinnati, it just

447
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 1: it fits into the context that the team is cheap

448
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: and if you're looking at that, bothers you and look,

449
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Speaker 1: what's the outlawe here. You go, well, you're talking about

450
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Speaker 1: spending some money here, and that's not your money to spend.

451
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 1: I get that. But if the Reds can do it,

452
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 1: and certainly FC and MLS and MOLB for them that

453
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 1: are compared to the National Football League NFL money is

454
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Speaker 1: a whole different world. And somehow they can find room

455
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Speaker 1: to do because I think they go, yeah, listen, you

456
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Speaker 1: know what we get some negative press. FC is a

457
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Speaker 1: great example. We got, you know, look at what we're doing

458
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Speaker 1: the West End. We built the stadium, we had pushed

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Speaker 1: back from the residents. We're trying to make everybody happy. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're going to have to acquire some property. Yes some

461
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Speaker 1: people are going to be displaced, but we try to

462
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Speaker 1: do the right thing. And you know, there's always gonna

463
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 1: be chronic complainers about gentrification everything else. That's their job

464
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Speaker 1: is to complain. But how you fix poverty is by

465
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 1: lifting and rising all ships and making sure that that

466
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Speaker 1: money that comes back in the form of taxes and

467
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Speaker 1: everything else, money spent in the community goes back to

468
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Speaker 1: the community, and I honestly think FC is doing a

469
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Speaker 1: great job of that. And as they continue to expand

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Speaker 1: their footprint in and around the West End. That's just

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Speaker 1: going to continue. Good for them. They don't have to

472
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Speaker 1: do that, but they're doing that. And so if your

473
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Speaker 1: other two major league franchises are leaning in hard on

474
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Speaker 1: these things, then it stands out even more to reinforce

475
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Speaker 1: the error about the Bengals. That is not a football team.

476
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: It's a bunch of lawyers running a football team. That

477
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Speaker 1: doesn't help the narrative. It doesn't help the narrative. Again,

478
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: it's just one thing after another, not clearing the seats

479
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Speaker 1: at a play at a football game when it snows,

480
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Speaker 1: doing the bare minimum to get by, because that's what

481
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Speaker 1: the contract says. At some point, you got to step

482
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Speaker 1: outside the boundaries and go instead of being a bunch

483
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Speaker 1: of lawyers sweating the details of words and negotiating things

484
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Speaker 1: for years on end because that's what lawyers do, step

485
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Speaker 1: back and be human for a second. Put put you know,

486
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Speaker 1: you need more of a they The thing that they

487
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 1: lack is empathy. They lead a sense of Hey, listen,

488
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Speaker 1: what's in the contracts? In the contract, we'll weather a

489
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Speaker 1: letter of the contract. Do you really need a contract

490
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Speaker 1: to go? Hey? You know, crime's a problem in our town.

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Speaker 1: We live here. We're local ownership, which that's I hear

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Speaker 1: about all the time. Well, at least they're local ownership.

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Speaker 1: You know, you get some other group kind they could

494
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Speaker 1: move the team, sure, but they're local. They're not going anywhere. Okay, good,

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Speaker 1: Well if you're local, isn't it more of a reason

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Speaker 1: to lean into your own hometown? And I could see

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Speaker 1: if it's some outside interest that doesn't really care, you know,

498
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Speaker 1: John bon Jovi buys the Bengals, it's from Jersey, doesn't care.

499
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Speaker 1: But if you live here, you work here, your family's

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Speaker 1: from here, you were raised here, is there more of

501
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Speaker 1: a reason, like well the Castellini's, for the example, to

502
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Speaker 1: do something for the community, Why do you need a

503
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Speaker 1: contract to go? All right, we'll throw you I don't know,

504
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: a couple hundred thousand dollars. How about some helmets, write,

505
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Speaker 1: some uniforms, practice stuff like that. And I know that

506
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: they've done academies and camps and stuff like that. I'm

507
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Speaker 1: not saying that they don't do that. But to take

508
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Speaker 1: ownership in the community and invest in a field, one field, two,

509
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: three fields, is it really that big an ask? Considering

510
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Speaker 1: and put in the context of what not only happened

511
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Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties with these dadium funding fiasco, but

512
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Speaker 1: the fact that the CaMLA County Commissioner has just approved

513
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Speaker 1: a four hundred and seventy million dollars rebuild of pay

514
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Speaker 1: Course Stadium, of which tax bears the county kick in

515
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Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty million, and the Bengals in the

516
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 1: NFL kick in one hundred and twenty million. So the

517
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Speaker 1: Bengals went in for sixty million out of their own

518
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Speaker 1: pocket if they split it, which is about thirteen percent

519
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Speaker 1: of the cost, seventy four percent of it is on

520
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Speaker 1: tax bears. At some point, don't you give something back

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Speaker 1: and go, yeah, we got to do this, not because

522
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Speaker 1: it's in a contract, not because we've got to negotiat,

523
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Speaker 1: but because like, we want to do that. And not

524
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Speaker 1: only that, it's not even is Jefferies Mark Jeffries has

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Speaker 1: pointed out and it's so accurate. Now the Reds do

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Speaker 1: this with the Reds Community Fund. So when they go

527
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Speaker 1: out and raise money and they do the fifty to

528
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Speaker 1: fifty raffles and all the stuff they do in the community,

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Speaker 1: you know, Marty's golf outing and the poker thing, all

530
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Speaker 1: the stuff that they do. All that money goes back

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Speaker 1: into this mission, So it sounds like it's really costing

532
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,959
Speaker 1: the team. It's it's charitable donations from the community that

533
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: they could wind up doing the same thing, and it

534
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: should not take a year and a half. And you

535
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: could hear the frustration and Mark Jeffrey's voice going, look,

536
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted. We've been battling this and you know, we

537
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Speaker 1: continue to get young people killed. I mean, isn't there

538
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Speaker 1: a direct connection between what happened at Laurel Playground and

539
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Speaker 1: what happens in the streets where these young people get

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Speaker 1: shot and trying to prevent that from happening. Is that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're older, Maybe teenagers are a little bit older the

542
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Speaker 1: ones that are doing the shooting. But if you give

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Speaker 1: younger people something to do occupy their time, maybe you're

544
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Speaker 1: not going to stop it, but maybe put a den

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Speaker 1: in it. And also, shouldn't these kids have that opportunity

546
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: you can do with baseball, you can do a soccer.

547
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Speaker 1: Why aren't we doing the football. It's a bad look

548
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Speaker 1: for this team and a team that does not lead

549
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: any more Black Eyes. And it's not just because they've

550
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: failed miserably on the field with the offensive weapons that

551
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: have We beat that topic to death, but this is

552
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: a different This is about the community and if you

553
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: live here, if you grow up here, if you're part

554
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Speaker 1: of that fabric, and no one more part of the

555
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: fabric than the Brown family. This seems like something you

556
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: should just do as opposed to trying to negotiate it.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the team is as they said, it's

558
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Speaker 1: I didn't coin this phrase, but they are undefeated. They're

559
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, They're in the super Bowl,

560
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: They're the New England Patriots of legal maneuvering. I had

561
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Speaker 1: if you hadn't banger banners up at pay Court before,

562
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: what they have done in the courtroom as opposed to

563
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Speaker 1: what they've done on the field. Five three, seven, four

564
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Speaker 1: nine seven Thousan the Big One talk back I Heart Radio.

565
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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this to be malicious towards the

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Speaker 1: team and punch at them or and it's it's as is,

567
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 1: someone who in the community goes this doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: And for a council member to sound as frustrated as

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Speaker 1: Mark Jeffreys is about this, I agree with them. That's

570
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Speaker 1: not a good look when when your own city government

571
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Speaker 1: is upset with you because they perceive you as not

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Speaker 1: being a good community partner. Five and three seven four nine,

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Speaker 1: seven thousand. Let me roll with John on a cell

574
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: on the big one of the Scott'slan Show. Hey, John, how

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Speaker 1: are you?

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Speaker 4: Hey?

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Speaker 1: Slowly?

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Speaker 4: Hey, uh, Devil's advocate for a second here. You know,

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Speaker 4: we don't know what the Brown family does in private,

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00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 4: right yep, Medllion, we don't know, right, and that's the business.

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Speaker 1: Correct, And you have a right to.

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Speaker 3: Be very private, no question.

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Speaker 1: Let me interrupt it, just John, let me interrupt you in

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Speaker 1: a second. I've said that in the past, and I

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Speaker 1: thank you for reminding me, because I didn't say it

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Speaker 1: this time. I've heard behind the scenes that that mister Brown,

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Speaker 1: the family is very generous. They don't want the publicist.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of old school. They don't want the attention,

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00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: they don't want the publicity. And I get that. But

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Speaker 1: in the context of this, you know, if you're doing

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00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: that already, is it that much harder to build the

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00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: football fields? I would ask and say, you know what,

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Speaker 1: And there's at some point you've got to you know,

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Speaker 1: you're your own best advertiser. We live in an era

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00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: where everyone is a brand. So I'm sorry you need

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00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: that's the stuff you need to do. That's a slam dunk.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's true, that's true. And I will tell you

598
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 4: the Bengals need to march over to you know, great

599
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 4: American and whoever the PR guy is for the Reds,

600
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 4: they need to hire him for a couple of years.

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Speaker 4: But let's also go back to you know, the Browns.

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Speaker 4: Perception is reality, right, And there's a reason why free agents,

603
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 4: really good free agents never come here ever. Ever, we

604
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: never get free agents in their prime coming here.

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Speaker 3: It never happens.

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Speaker 1: Well, we don't really go after free agents.

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Speaker 4: But you really think, you really think an agent gets

608
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Speaker 4: a hold of a top ten free agent? Does Let's

609
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: go talk to the Bangles. They don't, right, but they

610
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 4: have this this inate ability to screw up an opportunity

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00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 4: to really look good. And and let's be honest, you

612
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 4: are if you are an NFL franchise unter right, or

613
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Speaker 4: the family of an NFL franchise owner, you are on

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Speaker 4: third base.

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Speaker 1: I mean you have yes, you are, no question, but.

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Speaker 4: You have al obligation when you benefit financially from taxpayers.

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Speaker 4: I don't know any other industry in the professional sports, right,

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00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: that benefits as much as and so there is a

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Speaker 4: moral obligation. And again maybe they do donate in privately.

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Speaker 1: They absolutely do. I'm not saying that they don't are generous,

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Speaker 1: they just don't want the they don't want the attention.

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Speaker 1: They want to be anonymous in their donations. Mister Brown,

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Speaker 1: everyone and I appreciate that, and I acknowledge that one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent. But there are times where you've got to

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00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: especially when it's a public private partnership, especially when you

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00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: drop three fifty on redoing pay Corps, that you've got

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Speaker 1: to make that gesture to make it look like it's

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00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: genuine and organic, and it may not be, but to

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Speaker 1: come out and say, hey, listen, you guys have supported us.

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Speaker 1: We know we can do better on the field. We

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Speaker 1: want to be a part of the fabric of this community.

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Speaker 1: And that is why the Reds get the get the

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Speaker 1: leeway that they do. I mean, the team has been

634
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: terrible for a long time, but we have more of

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Speaker 1: affinity for the rest and I think it's because of

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00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: the great work that the Reds Community Fund does. Now

637
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: another example, they're winning and they're giving back. So it

638
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: it's their peers that make them look worse. It's not

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00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: me or the community saying hey, you cheap sobs. That's

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00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: not it at all. You're being overshadowed by the other

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00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: franchises in this town.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me tug. It is almost impossible to lose

643
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 4: money in the NFL as an otor.

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Speaker 1: You can't do it. You can't do it, that's right.

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Speaker 4: You can't lose money in the In baseball, you can

646
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Speaker 4: lose money very quickly because you get outspent by everybody else. Right,

647
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Speaker 4: So it is it is almost impossible to lose money.

648
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 4: You could sit back and do nothing and make money right. Well,

649
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 4: and I guess we look at that and go, yeah,

650
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Speaker 4: that's probably the case right on the field. On the field, right,

651
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 4: But anyway, they need to improve their pr go borrow

652
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Speaker 4: the guys that they're reds and FC used, and let's

653
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Speaker 4: improve their brands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, John, I mean they took a step forward I

655
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: think with the with the Blackburn girls taking over and

656
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: doing your social market, social media in the Ring of

657
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: Honor and all those things you should have been doing,

658
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh my god, it's about time we

659
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: finally did that. We've we've bowed the public pressure, even

660
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: though Mike didn't want to do mister Brown didn't want

661
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: to do this. It's timer when them to go, hey, look,

662
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: this is a bad look for us right now. And

663
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: they've known this for a while. But the idea that, hey,

664
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: we'll let the lawyers do what they do, and they

665
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: probably don't care what I'm saying or you're saying at

666
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: this point because they have a history of that, Like

667
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: we're going to listen to our own internal voices. I

668
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: think the rest of us had say, well, how's that

669
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: worked out for you so far? When it's come to

670
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Speaker 1: community involvement and it's come to the play on the field,

671
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: not so good. Now. Again, if your job is not

672
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: to necessarily win football games, and if you're making money

673
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: and also winning in the courts, then this team is

674
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: literally literally a dynasty. But again, winning in courts and

675
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: making money doesn't ingrain you with the community as much

676
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Speaker 1: as you could be. There's plenty of other You look

677
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: around the National Football League and most teams than not

678
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 1: are adored in their communities. And you know, if that

679
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to you, then that just reinforces what I'm

680
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: saying here today anyway, And I'm not going to not

681
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: holding the gun to anybody's head to make them spend

682
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Speaker 1: money they don't want to spend. But you can also

683
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: appine and say the optics on that are terrible. I mean,

684
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Speaker 1: it's really it's not that big an ass to get

685
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: some helmets in a field for a bunch of kids, indeed,

686
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: to keep them and let's face it, get them off

687
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Speaker 1: the street and maybe prevent them from turning to a

688
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: life of Judah delinquency in crime. You could literally use

689
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: literally changing That's what the Reds. You know, the Reds

690
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Speaker 1: do with the Community Fund. That's the whole idea is,

691
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Speaker 1: you know, it's twofold. Number one is it does get

692
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Speaker 1: kids off the street, gets them interested in something else

693
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Speaker 1: and keeps their noses clean, which we need more of

694
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: these days. But also it sell their own interest. Right

695
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: there is the fact that, hey, you know what it

696
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: used to be that baseball was played, stickball, that kind

697
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: of stuff on the urban streets, and you know what,

698
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: basketball came along and that became this How do we

699
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: get young people interested again in the game of baseball?

700
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: And maybe you don't, I don't know what they're trying.

701
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: Football is like the biggest product in the world. Everyone

702
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Speaker 1: wants to play in the NFL. You know, here's an

703
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: opportunity to change young people's lives by giving them that

704
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: opportunity to live that dream, to get on the field

705
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: and play, as opposed to well what else causing trouble?

706
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Speaker 1: If you can save a few of these, say, and

707
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like, oh the children, but

708
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: it's true. You can't save them all, but he can

709
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: save a few, it seems like a not only noble endeavor,

710
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: but also an investment in your team, in your future

711
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: and helping, you know, reinforce how great that brand is. Anyway,

712
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: all we got news coming up in just a few

713
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Speaker 1: minutes here on the Big one, seven hundred w WELW down.

714
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Speaker 1: I expect to be talking about that this morning. Actually

715
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Speaker 1: did want to talk a little bit about what's happening

716
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Speaker 1: in Minnesota. I don't know, maybe we're tired of that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Every day there's something new. And I will say this

719
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Speaker 1: that you know, watching the new video that's come out

720
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Speaker 1: with the Pretty Guy, that he looks like an angry

721
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: guy first of all in the video. There's no doubt

722
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Speaker 1: about it. And I will say this, if you saw

723
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: that as I did, and he's kicking out the tail

724
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Speaker 1: light on a ice vehicle and he wasn't arrested for that,

725
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Speaker 1: which quite honestly surprised me. It seems like, you know,

726
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: you're beating up on a government vehicle, you're probably gonna

727
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: get cuffed. You should get cuffed at that point. But

728
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: I think the problem is is that you know, people

729
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: will see that and go, well, there you go, this

730
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Speaker 1: is why he was shot. Well, no, it wasn't. It

731
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Speaker 1: was a separate thing entirely. I look at that and go, yeah,

732
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Speaker 1: you know, clearly he likes to go, well, he's motivated

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Speaker 1: enough to go out and protest and be violent in

734
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Speaker 1: this protest as you saw him, you know, kicking out

735
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Speaker 1: the tailight in a car. But you'll also notice, and

736
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's carrying his weapon with that time.

737
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Speaker 1: I wo'd assume he would if he's taken it everywhere,

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Speaker 1: his concealed carry weapon. He didn't pull it out. And

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Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't shot when he's kicking the light out,

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Speaker 1: and that was much more violent than what we saw

741
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Speaker 1: that led to his death. I can look at that

742
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Speaker 1: objectively and go, yeah, the guy seems to shlan a

743
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: show up at protests. He really doesn't like ice. I

744
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: get that, and you're allowed to do that. I think

745
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: there are people and I've heard it before and he

746
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: emails and everything else, DMS people saying, Saint C you're

747
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: defending this guy, and well, you know, you can protest

748
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 1: and you can act up, but there's no reason whatsoever

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Speaker 1: to shoot the guy. And if you think because it

750
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: fits your political ideolagyr narrative, there's the problem because guess

751
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: what's gonna have At some point, it's gonna go the

752
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: other way, and you're gonna have Democrats in power and

753
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna do this to conservatives or people who are

754
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: on the right who are protesting, and you're gonna screen

755
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: bloody murder. That's why, you know, if Kyle Rittenhouse comes

756
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: to mind, it's like I supported Kyle Rittenhouse. I get

757
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: what he was doing because you're allowed to do that.

758
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Speaker 1: And you know, because I support the Second Amendment in

759
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: the first as well, you're allowed to go out there

760
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: and protest against your government. We should be doing more

761
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: of it. Quite honestly, it shouldn't lead unless you're actually pointing,

762
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Speaker 1: physically threatening, assaulting that leads to the shooting death of you.

763
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Speaker 1: You know what happened with him. I look at that,

764
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: and I don't think most people look at that and go, yeah,

765
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: you can't be shooting a guy you've already disarmed, even

766
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Speaker 1: if it isn't the you know, the fog of war,

767
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: the cloud of confusion. Sorry, anyway, there'll be more on this,

768
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure coming out too. But people see that and go, ah,

769
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: my mind's already made up. I have to support the

770
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: cause and he had it coming. But I you know,

771
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: I should say the same thing about Ashley Babbitt during

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Speaker 1: January sixth. What's the difference? Scott Flung Show, It's a

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Speaker 1: home of the Red seven hundred WWT, Cincinnati. I know

774
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: about you. I've got a lot of subscriptions in my life.

775
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm not a member. I'm not subscribed to the bulletin

776
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Speaker 1: of the Atomic Scientist. What is that? Well, you don't

777
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: really know that group. What you do know is their product.

778
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: Every year since nineteen forty seven, they update the doomsday clock.

779
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: That's a metaphor for how close regard to humans being extinct,

780
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: and we are now closer than ever to midnight. Last

781
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: week they just rolled this baby up to eighty five seconds.

782
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Speaker 1: Eighty five seconds to the stroke of doom. Now it's arbitrary, right,

783
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: but you think about what we're doing right now, and

784
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: it's not just you know, climate and technologies like AI

785
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: and autocracy taking it around the world, but specifically you

786
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: think of nuclear powers, and you think about well, the

787
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Speaker 1: president wanting to take over Greenland as a strategic defense

788
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Speaker 1: in Minsie and so these are the factors probably more

789
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: in there why they've moved the doomsday clock up to

790
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Speaker 1: eighty five seconds till midnight. Let's see closest it's ever been.

791
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Speaker 1: Annie Jacobson is quite the expert on the end of humanity,

792
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Speaker 1: specifically when it comes to nuclear armageddon. She writes all

793
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Speaker 1: about it. If you think eighty five seconds of Midnight's worrisome,

794
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: seventy two minutes is all we have from the first

795
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Speaker 1: launch till we're all gone, seventy two minutes is all

796
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Speaker 1: will take to wipe out civilization. Annie Jacobson, welcome back.

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Speaker 5: How you Ben, I'm great, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Let's jump in with sources to start here as people go, okay,

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Speaker 1: is this fiction?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 3: You know?

802
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: Is it made for TV? Movie kind of situation? Because

803
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: presumably a lot has changed since nineteen eighty three in

804
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Speaker 1: the day after. Who'd you talk to?

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Speaker 6: I talked to forty six sources on the record, Secretary

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Speaker 6: of Defense, the Nuclear sub Force Commander, Obama's BEMA director,

807
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 6: Stratcom Commander. I can go on and on, and readers

808
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 6: should look at those sources. They're right up front in

809
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 6: the book for exactly that reason.

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Speaker 5: Although this is.

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Speaker 6: A hypothetical situation, it is one that could most certainly happen.

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Speaker 6: That's why so many high ranking sources went on the

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Speaker 6: records with me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I you know, I mentioned the day after,

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Speaker 1: but it all ends with an explosion and a lot

816
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: of people are dead. Is there such a thing as

817
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Speaker 1: being prepared?

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Speaker 2: You know?

819
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Speaker 1: Well, me taking I don't know a blanket from my

820
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Speaker 1: picnic and throwing it over me and my family protect

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Speaker 1: me from the big blast.

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Speaker 6: What comes to mind when you ask me that question

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Speaker 6: is a cool find. Nikita Kruse, chef, the former Soviet premiere,

824
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Speaker 6: and he said, after a nuclear war, the living would

825
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Speaker 6: envy the dead. That's what an apocalyptic situation it will

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Speaker 6: be after a nuclear exchange. In the words of the

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Speaker 6: Stratcom Commander, General Keeler, who I spoke with for the book,

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Speaker 6: he said to me, Annie. We were discussing what would

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Speaker 6: happen in a nuclear exchange between Russia and America and

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Speaker 6: their massive arsenal.

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Speaker 5: On ready for launch.

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Speaker 6: Status, and he said to me, Annie, the world could

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Speaker 6: end in the next few hours.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we have what nine nuclear armed nations including US,

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Speaker 1: and pretty much I'm guessing that here in Cincinnati there

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Speaker 1: are nuclear oarheads pointed towards US. As far as the

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Speaker 1: arsenals go, is there any place on Earth that's not

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Speaker 1: going to be scorched if we have on again?

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Speaker 6: There isn't and that has to do with not just

840
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Speaker 6: the mass fires that will result in a nuclear exchange.

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Speaker 6: Keep in mind that America has one seven hundred and

842
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Speaker 6: seventy nuclear weapons on i'm ready for launch status.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't include the.

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Speaker 6: Ones in the arsenal, the entire arsenal, but that is

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Speaker 6: a number that is ready for launch. Russia has approximately

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00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 6: the same and so you're talking about thousands of nuclear

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Speaker 6: weapons potentially going off. But what the real damage is

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Speaker 6: and where the apocalypse happens? Five billion people dead is

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Speaker 6: now the estimate is from the nuclear winter that will ensue.

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Speaker 6: The firestorms create billions of pounds of soot being lofted

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Speaker 6: into the air. This blocks out the sun and creates

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Speaker 6: what it's called nuclear winter, a theory that interestingly, that

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Speaker 6: same time frame you're referencing the day after in the

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Speaker 6: early eighties, when the nuclear winter theory first came out,

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Speaker 6: the Defense Department sort of marginalized it, claiming it to

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Speaker 6: be Soviet propaganda. I found documents that demonstrated the Defense

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Speaker 6: Department was seriously concerned. They just put that information out

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Speaker 6: there because the idea was this is bad for nuclear

859
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Speaker 6: war business.

860
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Speaker 5: And so you see, we always have these kind.

861
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Speaker 6: Of misinformations and disinformation's going off.

862
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Speaker 5: It's just part and Parsons to a democracy.

863
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Speaker 1: Talking to any Jacobson this morning, who's an expert on

864
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: nuclear warfare of all things, and writes about it. So

865
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Speaker 1: Trump is proposing this golden or at least he's leaving that.

866
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to go anywhere, but

867
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Speaker 1: let's say we have incoming nukes, so let's go through this.

868
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 1: The president has about six minutes to respond. I'm typically

869
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: I would think that someone's launching at us, We're not

870
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: gonna launch at anyone else, and then the world is

871
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: over in seventy two minutes, which is I can't even

872
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: contemplate that. I don't think anyone listening can. So you

873
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: got about hour twelve minutes before it's all over all right,

874
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: So what happens in that six minutes. Let's I'm guessing

875
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Speaker 1: satellites detect and there's thermal imaging that detect and see

876
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Speaker 1: the signatures of the ICBMs that launch from Let's say

877
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's say Russia, they're coming at us,

878
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Speaker 1: and it's verified.

879
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 6: What happens, Well, you're absolutely right that the kicking time

880
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 6: clock scenario is inherent in this and that is because

881
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 6: of technology, as you say, the satellite systems. But hold

882
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 6: that six minute window for the president for a moment,

883
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 6: because that doesn't happen until about minutes seven or eight

884
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Speaker 6: of a scenario, and that is because activity happens within

885
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Speaker 6: the Defense.

886
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 5: Department before they bring the information to the president. Because

887
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Speaker 5: the president.

888
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 6: Then has six minutes that window you describe that sixth

889
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 6: minute window is for him to launch a nuclear counter

890
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 6: attack against any of the nuclear armed nations that would

891
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 6: be crazy enough to launch a nuclear weapon. And still

892
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Speaker 6: in my scenario, I have North Korea launching what is

893
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Speaker 6: called a bolt out of the blue attack. And that

894
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Speaker 6: is because presidential advisor's former presidential advisors.

895
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Speaker 5: Told me that this is a quote, a bolt.

896
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Speaker 6: Out of the blue attack against Washington, DC is what

897
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Speaker 6: everyone in Washington, DC fears most. So that But let

898
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 6: me just make an interesting point about the satellite system, which.

899
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Speaker 5: You are absolutely right. We have a satellite system in space.

900
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Speaker 5: It's called SIBBERS.

901
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 6: It's built by Lockheed, and it detects nuclear launch in

902
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 6: under a fraction of a second launch. You can see

903
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 6: why the chicken time clock then begins.

904
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: Right, and once a nuke is launched, there's no recall.

905
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: This isn't a movie. It's once you hit that button,

906
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 1: it's over right.

907
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 6: An ICBM, a nuclear armed ICBM cannot be recalled. It

908
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 6: also cannot be redirected.

909
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: The president then has to decide response, which presumably is

910
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: set in stone, right. I mean, if someone's launching a

911
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: nuke at us, we're going to launch at them.

912
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 6: There are policies in place, you're absolutely right, and we

913
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Speaker 6: have Stratcom commanders on the record, you know, explaining some

914
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 6: about those details, and I've brought them literally in the book.

915
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 6: But another interesting thing is, yes, we have this satellite

916
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 6: system in space which detects the nuclear launch within a

917
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 6: fraction of a second, but then the nuclear command and

918
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 6: control skins into action. There are three bunker systems nuclear

919
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 6: bunkers in the United States under the Pentadon inside Cheyenne

920
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 6: Mountain and beneath the Stratcom in Omaha, Nebraska, and those

921
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 6: facilities go into hyperdrive as the second pick out, because

922
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Speaker 6: now before the president launches a counter attack, you must

923
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Speaker 6: have what is called secondary confirmation, and that comes from

924
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Speaker 6: a radar system that.

925
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Speaker 5: Is land based.

926
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Speaker 6: In the scenario that I write, it is in Alaska,

927
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Speaker 6: that is where it is.

928
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Speaker 5: And so that.

929
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Speaker 6: Secondary conversation confirmation comes.

930
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Speaker 5: As the missile comes over the.

931
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Speaker 6: Horizon, and that occurs at about eight or nine minutes.

932
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Speaker 6: And at that point the president literally now.

933
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 5: It's time for him to open the football.

934
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Speaker 6: That's famous football that follows around the president twenty four

935
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Speaker 6: to seven three sixty five, carried by the military aid,

936
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Speaker 6: and the president must open the black book and make

937
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 6: his decision about how and where to launch the counter strike.

938
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that Annie. So the football we all

939
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: learned about that. As you have a military aid that

940
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Speaker 1: carries it around and the launch codes are in there.

941
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Speaker 1: Presument and it's a pretty big satchel too. I mean,

942
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: guess there are like a couple of sandwiches in there,

943
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Speaker 1: maybe a you know, a pop or something, and a

944
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: red bull and what else was in there?

945
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 6: They're inside the nuclear football is the black book, and

946
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Speaker 6: also an identification process that will make it clear to

947
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Speaker 6: the nuclear command center beneath the Pentagon that the president

948
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 6: is indeed the president. And so he has in his

949
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 6: wallet what is called the biscuit. It's a laminated card.

950
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 6: Inside the football are the codes and that system is

951
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 6: matched up. Interestingly, it's not biometric. It's not like an

952
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 6: IRIS scan or a fingerprint. It's none of that. It

953
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 6: is old school analogue call and response, and then it

954
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 6: is endgame.

955
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: Is there anyone that can override that? Is there a

956
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: way to you know, can the president go rogue and

957
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: say give me the football, I'm mad at I don't

958
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: know North Korea, let's say, or Iran and I'm going

959
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: to order a strike. Is there a way to override that?

960
00:45:59,200 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 5: You know?

961
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 6: I asked this question to the chief historian of the

962
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 6: Classified library at Los Alamos. Los Alamos was very forthcoming

963
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 6: with me and provided me even with some declassified, declassified

964
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 6: some documents on the football, specifically for the book.

965
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 5: And I asked that question to doctor.

966
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 6: Glenn McGuff at the lab, and I said, you know,

967
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 6: would anyone override anything in any of these situations? You're

968
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 6: you know, essentially your question that you've asked me, and

969
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 6: I well, I asked the classic question, which is, would

970
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 6: a missilear not turn the key to launch the nuclear

971
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 6: sylum or would a submarine or not launch not turn

972
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 6: the key to launch the ballistic missile from the submarine.

973
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 5: And what doctor mcdust said.

974
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 6: To me was, Annie, you'd have more chances of winning

975
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 6: Powerball than having someone in the nuclear command and control

976
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 6: chain of command defy orders.

977
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: It's pretty sober and considering well where we are politically

978
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: in this country right now, well, I'm just.

979
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 5: Going to be there because it certainly is sobering. My goodness.

980
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 6: Cognition and judgment are what is imperative for potus.

981
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 5: I am not a political writer.

982
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 6: I write about potis the president of the United States.

983
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 6: That individual is in charge of the nuclear arsenal. They

984
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 6: have what is called sole presidential authority. They ask permission

985
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 6: of no one, not the sec death, not the chairman

986
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 6: of the Joint chiefs of staffs, not Congress. You want

987
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 6: someone in that position of authority that has all their

988
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 6: marvels and all their judgment.

989
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: So the birds are in the air, they're flying at

990
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: each other. What then happens? And we just sit there

991
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: and wait to die.

992
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 6: Let me give you an example of one of the

993
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 6: absolutely most existentially perilous that is a true fact in

994
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 6: the scenario that I write for lots of reasons that

995
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 6: I explained in the book Choosing North Korea, when the

996
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 6: United States makes a nuclear counter attack in a following

997
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 6: launch on morning protocol and following what is suggested to

998
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 6: the President of North Korea. The scenario launches one nuclear

999
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 6: missile of US and then a second, and the response

1000
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 6: from the Defense Department is eighty two nuclear weapons in response.

1001
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 6: And there are reasons you can read in the notes

1002
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 6: why that number exists. And as those ICBMs and sub

1003
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 6: launched ballistic missiles are heading toward North Korea, the Russians

1004
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 6: are alerted.

1005
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 5: And what readers learn in the book Spoiler Alert is.

1006
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 6: That the United States is ICBMs, our intercontinental ballistic missile

1007
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 6: that are going to go from our continent to North

1008
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 6: Korea to get to North Korea. They do not have

1009
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 6: enough rain to fly there directly, they must fly over Russia.

1010
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 6: And so imagine a scenario where nuclear weapons are flying

1011
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 6: and Russia has.

1012
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 5: No way to believe.

1013
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 6: That the nuclear that the ICBMs that are heading allegedly

1014
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 6: over their territory are not heading to their territory, and

1015
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 6: that triggers a counter response. I discussed this with Secretary Panetta,

1016
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 6: former Secretary of Defense Beyond Panetta, and he said something

1017
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 6: to me that's quoted in the book, like, it's really

1018
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 6: unfortunate that in a time of crisis, no one's thinking

1019
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 6: about how other nuclear armed nations might react.

1020
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: Final question for Annie, because I know you got to

1021
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: get going. Tell me it's going to be okay.

1022
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 6: I cannot tell you that, and I believe that's why

1023
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 6: so many sources went on the record with me. This

1024
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 6: is a sort of hair trigger moment we're all living in,

1025
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 6: and to quote the United Nations Secretary General, we are

1026
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 6: one misunderstanding, one miscalculation away from nuclear annihilation.

1027
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 5: And that is a true fact. Actually, I'm going to

1028
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 5: end on a hopeful note. Your last point about the

1029
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 5: day after.

1030
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 6: I was a high school student at the time, and

1031
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 6: hundred million people watched that terrifying film TV film about

1032
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 6: a nuclear war between Russia and the United States. But

1033
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 6: one very important American also watched it, and that was

1034
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 6: President Reagan.

1035
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 5: And before that, before.

1036
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 6: Seeing that he was a nuclear hawk, he believed the

1037
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 6: more nuclear weapons the better. After watching it, he wrote

1038
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 6: in his White House Journal, he was greatly depressed. That

1039
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 6: caused him to reach out to our quote unquote enemy,

1040
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 6: the Soviet Union. Reagan reached out to Gorbachev. As a result,

1041
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 6: they had their recordic summit. The world went from seventy

1042
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 6: thousand nuclear weapons seventy thousand to the approximately twelve thousand,

1043
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 6: five hundred we haff today. That's a hopeful note. The

1044
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 6: president of the United States can.

1045
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 5: Begin to make a change.

1046
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: Any Jacobson nuclear war a scenario. It's a really cool read.

1047
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting into this on vacation and

1048
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: to say, minute by minute, blow by blow, what was happened,

1049
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: What would happen if we have a nuclear war a

1050
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: nuclear attack? Andy, all the best, Thanks for coming on

1051
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: the show. Appreciate it's great stuff.

1052
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

1053
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Doomsday clock closest has ever been to midnight, which

1054
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: means bad things. However, I can always see I always

1055
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: see the silver lining of things. I'm made perpetual optimist,

1056
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: nuclear I'm againin comes, at least for the few seconds

1057
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: before we perish, will be warm. Coming up next to

1058
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: the show, he is our resident health, fitness and er

1059
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Speaker 1: doctor Sanjay Shaefer CREMANI everything you need to know about

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1061
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1062
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Speaker 1: really need to be on the stuff who's indicated for?

1063
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Speaker 1: And weight loss questions because you may have been fighting

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Speaker 1: the battle since the first year and going this is stupid.

1065
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Speaker 1: I'm not losing any weight. I need to do something.

1066
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Speaker 1: I'll answer the questions. Coming up next Scott's Loan seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW, Scott's Flane Show seven hundred WW Welcome to it.

1068
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Speaker 1: So before I get into it with Sanjay, here about

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1075
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: and they make everything homemade there. Romen Broth, Like where

1076
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: do you buy romen? They sold rog romen broth. So

1077
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: about Ramen, it was phenomenal as good as a restaurant's phenomenal.

1078
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: And I love and hate that place because they spent

1079
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: all my money there, but it's so good between that

1080
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: and home improvement places that that's all I have. Yesterday

1081
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: dropped off from turkey and wild Royce soup and the

1082
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: bread bowls and crunchy bacon coal slaw, and they make

1083
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: everything in house. I think it even like they have

1084
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: some indoor wheat farm that they harvest their and wheat inside.

1085
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how they do it, but it's damn it.

1086
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: Everything's good.

1087
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: You have to go.

1088
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: I'd never have that again. The killer brownies are that,

1089
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: they're killer brownie. So thanks to Dorothy Lane Market dropping

1090
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: off some desperately needed soup yesterday, Sonja I had to

1091
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: explain to her own Bill Cunningham what a bread bowl was.

1092
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: The man is eighty years old, has no idea what

1093
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: a bread bowl is.

1094
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's still time to learn stuff. Yeah, well is

1095
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 7: that that's like it's a bread bowl?

1096
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: Well, what do you mean? Like, well, they cut the

1097
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 1: top off and you put the soup in the bowl

1098
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: and the and the bowl. The bread is the bowl

1099
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: and then you eat the bread if you want. And

1100
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,919
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, then it's a bread bowl. Yeah, well

1101
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: so is there their soup in it? There is there

1102
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: soup and the bread? Like, no, you take the hot

1103
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: soup and put never mind, Yeah, forget it. Thanks to

1104
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: doroth our friends at Dorothley Lane Market for hooking us

1105
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,959
Speaker 1: up yesterday. Was absolutely speaking.

1106
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 7: Of Dorothy Lane. Yeah, yeah, I've I've actually gone there

1107
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 7: and ordered a raws steak which they'll cook to your

1108
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 7: like right there right yeah, and it was phenomenal.

1109
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1110
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 7: And then I just pulled up to the wine and

1111
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 7: beer section where my two b father in law works.

1112
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 7: So say hi to Mike if you ever stopped around there. Mike,

1113
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 7: Mike works the food and wine sections. Say hi for

1114
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 7: the beer and wine section. Say hi for me.

1115
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: That's a good guy to know. Yeah, that's not marrying

1116
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: her because it's because the connection to the food to

1117
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: the wine and beer. Guy. We'll talk later, all right,

1118
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: I gotcha, I gotcha. He is Sancha shav Crimani. Uh.

1119
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: He is a physician. He our doctor at that and

1120
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: also talk expert in fitness and food and everything else.

1121
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: One of those things intersect. We're gonna, you know, cramming

1122
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: down a healthy lifestyle downe in your throat by any means,

1123
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: because I like to eat as badly as the next guy. However,

1124
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: there comes a time where you start to do a

1125
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: self assessment and go, maybe I need to drop a

1126
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: couple LB's get to show weight, as they say at

1127
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: the State Fair. And a lot of people are going,

1128
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: what about these glp ones? What about the injectables, what

1129
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: about the ozepic, what about the orals? What about the medication?

1130
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: Because this is about the time, if not already, Sanjay,

1131
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: as you know, people do that first of year thing.

1132
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 1: I got my new tracksuit, I got shoes, I got matching.

1133
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: Out fat. I'm from a woman. I'm going I'm getting

1134
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: an out fat. Those are not you an outfat? I

1135
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: got out fat. So you get outfit, you get earbuds,

1136
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: you get subscription, you go, you go to a gym,

1137
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: you got I've got a trainer, I've got it all going.

1138
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna needt Olympian in six months. Yeap, about this time,

1139
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: you go, I'm out. The struggle is too reels and

1140
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: you go or maybe you're doing it. You're like, wow,

1141
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: I thought I lose some weight and I'm only down

1142
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: like one and a half pounds. Whiskey tingo, fox ride.

1143
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: What about GLP ones, Maybe it's time to experiment with that,

1144
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah.

1145
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 7: So, you know, I think I think us as a

1146
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 7: society have really changed as far as it's and it's

1147
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 7: still changing as far as our perception of these medications.

1148
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 7: I think you know, when they first started coming out,

1149
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 7: they had a very negative perception because you know, it's

1150
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 7: the unknown, and that's how we deal with them. But

1151
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 7: over time, it's it's it's become more prevalent. In fact,

1152
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 7: do you know how many people are on them out

1153
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 7: there or what what percentage? Just like I think four

1154
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 7: or five people, give or take, it's actually twelve percent,

1155
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 7: twelve percent of people. Ten to twelve percent of people

1156
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 7: are on a GLP one. Now that could be for diabetes,

1157
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 7: it could be for weight loss, but we're talking one

1158
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 7: out of every eight people is on one. Have you

1159
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 7: ever seen Madison?

1160
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: By the way, it's something a prescription that has so

1161
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: quickly come on, like like everyone's on it.

1162
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 7: Not not to this degree. No, not that I can

1163
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 7: think of. I mean, you know, maybe statins and stuff

1164
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 7: like that, but it really this is this is really

1165
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 7: taking over. The interesting thing is a lot of people

1166
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 7: don't share that publicly. You know, there's still a little

1167
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 7: scarlet letters associated with it. I think from time that

1168
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 7: will go down as we understand obesity more. But yeah,

1169
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 7: the GLP ones are effective. I mean they're dropping. Patients

1170
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 7: are dropping their way to an average of like fifteen

1171
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 7: percent in a year of starting them, which is significant.

1172
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 7: I mean if that's one out of every seven of

1173
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 7: your pounds, so if you're one hundred and forty pounds,

1174
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 7: you're dropping twenty of those And.

1175
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: To your point, though it's so many people, it's actually

1176
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: changed our life expectancy. It's changed our overall fitness in

1177
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: America for the first time ever.

1178
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, and what we're seeing is decreased rates of heart attacks,

1179
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 7: decrease rates of strokes in these patients. So it's not

1180
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 7: just you know, the vain thing that a lot of

1181
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 7: people say, you just want to look skinny. No, they're

1182
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 7: actually these are having positive effects on heart attacks, strokes, cholesterol, everything, insoluence, sensitivity.

1183
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 7: There are a ton of improvements and even the mental

1184
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 7: health associated with it, because obesity carries that too.

1185
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: All right, So it's indicated for whom then that's the

1186
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: big question as well. If I've got to lose ten,

1187
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you need to know how much you weigh,

1188
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: maybe BMI comes to the factor, and what percentage of

1189
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: body fat you need to lose, So do the math

1190
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 1: for me? Who should be on this?

1191
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 7: So uh, there there are a lot of qualifications, and

1192
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 7: I mean, at the end of the day, doctors are

1193
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 7: prescribing it for a lot of people. But if you

1194
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 7: look at it, and especially what the insurance companies are covering,

1195
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 7: you know, your BMI has to be greater than forty,

1196
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 7: which is pretty pretty heavy for most of them. B

1197
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 7: and my greater than thirty is also working sometimes, but

1198
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 7: less than thirty you're really not be on it, yeah,

1199
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 7: especially for weight loss. Now if you're diabetic, you could

1200
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 7: certainly be on it, but that's not the primary.

1201
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: Purpose to get it there. Good, that's interest because I

1202
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 1: think I'm really close, so I need to eat more

1203
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: just to qualify.

1204
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 7: It's a good goal. To Dorothy Lane, you be expecting

1205
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 7: flan shortly, Well, I got a ram and that's good

1206
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 7: for you. Actually, a bone broth I need to have

1207
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 7: like well like you had. Yeah, yeah, it's flintstone size steak.

1208
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 7: Tip my car over steak as well. I can get

1209
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 7: all the sides because that's why we have steak. It's

1210
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 7: fun to hut yourself up and then then you can

1211
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 7: prescribe yourself some LFG to the GLP. We're alphabet souper

1212
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 7: right now. Somebody's gonna use that in marketing.

1213
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 3: You know that.

1214
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, b I higher BMI thirty forty plus

1215
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, it's indicated for you. I've also heard

1216
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: too that like the first thirty pounds come off, then

1217
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: after that nothing, Why is that? So it's hard to

1218
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: know for sure.

1219
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 7: It's you know, there is a lot of fat tissue

1220
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 7: to go away, and so as your body starts processing that,

1221
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 7: it's like anything. I mean, if you've got a lot

1222
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 7: of access, it's easy to get rid of the beginning

1223
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 7: and then it goes slower. Our body does develop a

1224
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 7: little bit of tolerance to these medications, so you're going

1225
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 7: to see patients that need higher doses. As we go

1226
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 7: up with higher doses, you also get more side effects

1227
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 7: of these medicines. So yeah, there is a slight plateau effect,

1228
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 7: but most people over the year lose about.

1229
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: It's about fifteen or so percent, okay, fifteen percent of

1230
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: your total bot if it didn't do the math, you know,

1231
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds and then you hit that plateau. Okay,

1232
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: So what if I what if I BMI of forty

1233
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: to fifty let's say, and I know I'll lose more overall,

1234
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: because but I need to lose more than that. What

1235
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: do I do after that I plateau? Then what happens?

1236
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 7: So if you plateau, you know, there's there's more information

1237
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 7: coming out, So there's a lot of different things. The

1238
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 7: easy idea is let's increase your dose, but again that

1239
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 7: comes with some side effects. What we're also seeing is

1240
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 7: that these medications work really well for about fifty percent

1241
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 7: of people and not so well for the other fifty percent,

1242
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 7: and so the question is why. And as we learn

1243
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 7: more about obesity, we're learning a lot. So there's there's

1244
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 7: four phenotypes, so four different types essentially that we're thinking

1245
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 7: about what causes obesity and especially thinking about it in

1246
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 7: a medical sense. So there's having a hungry gut, having

1247
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 7: a hungry brain, having emotional hunger, and then having a

1248
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 7: slow burn, so we can walk through those hung four. Yeah,

1249
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,959
Speaker 7: hungry gut is you know, your your stomach pushes stuff out,

1250
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 7: your food out really quickly, and so your stomach feels

1251
01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 7: really hungry shortly after a meal where you should feel

1252
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 7: good for a while. Now, what the glp ones do

1253
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 7: is they slow down your stomach so that it's not

1254
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 7: pushing out that food quickly and you feel full longer.

1255
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 1: Got it.

1256
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 7: So that's hungry you gut. Hungry brain is you have

1257
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 7: cravings all the time. You can't stop thinking about it.

1258
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 7: You need to eat to fulfill your brain, and that's

1259
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 7: a different thing entirely. So the glp ones do help

1260
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 7: a little bit because they do affect the brain along

1261
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 7: with the gut and the pancreas, so they do affect

1262
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 7: that a little bit, but not as much as the

1263
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 7: hungry gut thing.

1264
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: Got it.

1265
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 7: Then you have the emotional hunger, which is basically stress eating.

1266
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 7: That is what gets meal lot of the time, or

1267
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 7: just like boredom or stress at work and I'm just

1268
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 7: you know, I'm eating snacks and I've gone through ten

1269
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 7: bags of chips before I know it.

1270
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: You're going through crazy all day working and then you're

1271
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: like I'll watch some TV and just chill, and then

1272
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:55,959
Speaker 1: the next thing and I'm half into a bag of chips,

1273
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: exactly because now you've connected sitting in idle time and

1274
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: teeth watching, and you know, maybe your parents did it too,

1275
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, and that's a tough habit to

1276
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: break because.

1277
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 7: It's exactly and it's you know, habit is part of it.

1278
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 7: Your brain has formed these connections and so that is

1279
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 7: something that you know, GLP ones will help those patients

1280
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 7: a little bit, but really you need cognitive behavior therapy

1281
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 7: and stuff like that. And then the last one is

1282
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 7: basically a slow burner slow metabolism, and that's from you know, genetics, thyroid,

1283
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 7: but also could be like not having enough protein on board.

1284
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 7: We know that having muscle on board burns more calories

1285
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Speaker 7: than less muscle. Taking in more protein does the same,

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Speaker 7: and so that can be helped less with GLP ones.

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Speaker 7: That's not going to help your metabolism so much, but

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Speaker 7: you're having more protein in your life will help that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hungry, gut cravings, emotional slow metabolism. All right, So

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Speaker 1: off the GLP you're going, I don't know if I

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Speaker 1: want the glps. I can't afford whatever it might be,

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Speaker 1: how you com are the ways to combat each one

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Speaker 1: of those four symptoms that you just said are for

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Speaker 1: indicators without GLP. So start with the hungry gut. So

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Speaker 1: if you're constantly hungry all the time and you you know,

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Speaker 1: you have a fast metabolism, I guess, or maybe you're

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Speaker 1: eating the wrong foods.

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Speaker 7: What, Yeah, hungry guts. It's the tougher one because that's

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Speaker 7: the one that's really targeted by the g LP ones.

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Speaker 7: But having small mules may or may not help you.

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01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 7: It may make you want to eat a ton of

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Speaker 7: small meals. Having a large meal, you know, it could

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01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 7: it could be effective too. So that's the hard one

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Speaker 7: that I you know, I would say these patients need

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Speaker 7: the GLP ones because they have got the hungry hungry gut.

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Speaker 7: Hungry brain is a different thing. That's again you know,

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Speaker 7: emotional or cravings in general. There there are some medicines

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Speaker 7: like now tre Zone, which helps with cravings, is being

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Speaker 7: shown to help with alcohol addiction to so there are

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Speaker 7: the medicines for that that would be a prescription. And

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Speaker 7: then you know and overall just that could deal with

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Speaker 7: you know, cognitive behavioral stuff as well. When we're dealing with,

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Speaker 7: you know, the emotional eating. That's really cognitive behavioral therapy,

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Speaker 7: working through it, being mindful of your eating, knowing you.

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Speaker 1: Know, drug for that it's it's well, yeah, there may

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Speaker 1: be some discipline, but it's it's such a loaded word,

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Speaker 1: right as ye willpower as hard well, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I know people who do mindful eating, which is just

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01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, before you reach for anything.

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Speaker 7: Am I really hungry? Let me think about this. Just

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Speaker 7: introducing a pause before reaching for food is sony.

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Speaker 1: Why do we do that? By the way, Sanjay shave

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Speaker 1: Cromani's a physician and the health and fitness guy, and

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Speaker 1: we're talking about GLP once. Who needs them and why?

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01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: Now's about the time of you're like, oh, I tried

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01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 1: working out, exercise, it's just not working. I need something

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Speaker 1: if it's right for you or not. Because you hear

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Speaker 1: a lot of commercials and ads for that, to be sure,

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Speaker 1: and you're inundated with g LP once. It's certainly a

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01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: great thing, but it's not for everybody. And this is

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Speaker 1: what you need to know. What about that element of it? Though,

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Speaker 1: it's like, you know, the the I forgot I was

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01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: gonna say, the hell was interesting. I lost it lost

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Speaker 1: I'm blanking now, all right, I just had a brain fart.

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Speaker 1: That's another topic. We'll say that for next week. Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: There's there's so much to cover on this. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: g but I'll move the conversation forward what I was

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01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: saying earlier. Yeah, you do that, and I'll talk about

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01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: the orals. So we So for whatever these have been inact,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are injectables. One of the dentist

1341
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: I know, I'm not going to take some shoot myself

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Speaker 1: with a needle exactly.

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Speaker 7: And fortunately those those injections are only once a week,

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01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 7: which is still you know, fifty two weeks a year.

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01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 7: You're you're getting an injection. And they've created those formulations

1346
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 7: so they last for a week in the body, so

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Speaker 7: that that's what's helpful. This meant the GLP itself is

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01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 7: a peptide that actually lasts only two to three minutes

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01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 7: in the body, So making it last for a week

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Speaker 7: is a feat in itself. That's the problem with oral

1351
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 7: medications that they've been trying to figure out. So now

1352
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 7: they have the medications. Specifically, WIGOVI has a or some

1353
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 7: glue tide has a covering that you can put on

1354
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 7: it that protects it from the stomach from breaking it down.

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01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 7: It gets absorbed and will last for a day. So

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01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 7: now these orals are out there as of earlier this month,

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01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 7: and you have to take them thirty minutes before you eat,

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01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 7: but you make them every day as opposed to once

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01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 7: a week because they do break down quickly. Still, the

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01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 7: nice thing about it is there's been a lot of

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01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 7: competition in the market. Everyone's hearing about these things, and

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01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 7: there's a pressure to drive the pressure. The price is

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01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 7: down and we're talking about now. You know, these medicans

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01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 7: medications as injectibles used to cost like upwards of one

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01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 7: thousand per month. This is starting at about one hundred

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01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 7: and forty nine dollars for a starter pack, and as

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01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 7: you go up it gets more. And you know, I

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01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 7: want to say, I'm not paid by any of these companies.

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01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 7: This is just this is what I've researched and found

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01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 7: and this is where we're at right now. So it's

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01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 7: good the prices are coming down for these and more

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01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 7: patients and people can be helped.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha are the pills do they same efficacy as injectibles?

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01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: Is one better than they're thinking? It's close.

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Speaker 7: I think the as far as the trade names of

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01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 7: zep Bound and Manjarro, those tend to work the best

1377
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 7: of the of the four that are out there. We're

1378
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 7: talking about efficacy of seven glue Tide, which is a

1379
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 7: little bit lower than those two. But as far as

1380
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 7: you know patients that don't want to get in les

1381
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,880
Speaker 7: and want the routine of a daily pill, it seems

1382
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 7: like a good answer.

1383
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: I've also heard too, and you know, we talked about

1384
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 1: the plateau effect. You're going to lose fifteen percent and

1385
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: then then for whatever reason, that's about it right there.

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01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: The other element that would be to okay, well, I

1387
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: got to find something else to do if I want

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01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 1: to continuate. But I also heard that like once you

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01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: once you're on it, you can't stop because you'll put

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01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: the weight back on.

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Speaker 3: Is that true?

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01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 7: It's very true because you're so again we're talking about

1393
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 7: our our body's set points, so our body, you know,

1394
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 7: patients are built differently. We have to stop like criminalizing obesity.

1395
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 7: It's it's you know, it's a medical problem. And the

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01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,480
Speaker 7: more we see it that way, like it's blood pressure

1397
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 7: or diabetes, obesity is going to fall into that category.

1398
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 7: And you know, our bodies have set points, and so

1399
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 7: you know your your set point may be you know,

1400
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 7: well it's not clearly, but some patients set points are like,

1401
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 7: you know, two hundred and fifty pounds when they should

1402
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 7: be one hundred and fifty, and so you know they

1403
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 7: might get down to one fifty. But with the medicines,

1404
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 7: you come off and you'll gain that weight back considering

1405
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 7: assuming you haven't changed anything else about yourself. And the

1406
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 7: interesting thing about weight gain back is that it's about

1407
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 7: four times faster than if you've done it with diet

1408
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 7: and exercise alone, and so that's why it's getting kind

1409
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 7: of a bad name. But it's like, you know how

1410
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 7: many patients get off their statu medicines, their blood pressure medicines.

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01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 7: You stay on those most of the time for life. Now,

1412
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 7: diet modifications may change that, but you know, you can

1413
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 7: assume that if you're going to start this medicine, it's

1414
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,720
Speaker 7: not like you're addicted to it, but you know your

1415
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 7: body might need it, and so you're probably going to

1416
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 7: be on it for life unless we have a change

1417
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 7: in how we're going.

1418
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: Is the angel thing is like, okay, we try this thing, Hey, great,

1419
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: a loss this weight and then you just you go

1420
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: back to the habits that got you there in the

1421
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: first place. Yeah, it's part.

1422
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 7: It's the habits, it's the way your brain works, it's

1423
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 7: the way your body is set to function a lot

1424
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 7: of the times. And again it goes back to those

1425
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 7: four types of obesity. What's really driving it? Now, if

1426
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 7: you've solved the emotional leading component, great, you might stay

1427
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 7: there where you are forever. But for people with the

1428
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 7: slow burned specifically, or if you know, if you haven't

1429
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 7: gotten right issues, then you know, there's a greater chance

1430
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 7: that you'll.

1431
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: Go back to where you work. Okay, makes sense. It's

1432
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: kind of like and people say, well, lot, why don't

1433
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: you change your habit? You should. It's kind of I

1434
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 1: guess it's a kin to hear this in societies, Like

1435
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: someone goes to prison. I'm like, I'm never gonna do

1436
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: that again. But you go back to the environment that

1437
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: created that, absolutely right, same thing. So it's about changing

1438
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: lifestyle and that's you know again. Protein intake is one

1439
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: of the most important things. A lot of people talk

1440
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: about the weight loss and how much protein you lose.

1441
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: This is another cool thing or important thing to know

1442
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: is that you know, people say there's so much muscle

1443
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: loss when you're on a GLP one. The fact is

1444
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: is that you lose the same percentage of fat and

1445
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 1: muscle as you would if you were doing diet and

1446
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: exercise alone. It's just that it's such a rapid loss

1447
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: that patients when they're on GLP ones. If you get

1448
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: on a GLP one, keeping your protein intake up and

1449
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: straight strength training are the two of the most important

1450
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: things you can do so that you keep that protein

1451
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: on board and you don't just lose all your muscle mass. Yeah,

1452
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: eating and working out and growing that muscle tissue is

1453
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 1: going to you're gonna need more protein, which is good exactly,

1454
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: less fat, more protein. The guys who really love glps,

1455
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: I think are the plastics guys, because I know there's

1456
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: that that face thing. What's that called?

1457
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that is just because of the rapid weight

1458
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 7: loss or our bodies aren't used to losing weight that quickly,

1459
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 7: but that's what we're seeing with that, and it does

1460
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 7: kind of settle out. But it's especially in the in

1461
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 7: the early phases.

1462
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: Well, more people getting on it, that's for sure, and

1463
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a bad thing. I was like, well,

1464
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: it's cheating. What what exactly is cheating about it? Okay,

1465
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: you're you go to the story, you go to Kroger

1466
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: and buy your food. Are you out farming and raising

1467
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 1: your own vel? No, that's cheating then, using that stupid

1468
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: old logic. Yeah, it's definitely. You know, there was a

1469
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: stigma for me before and how I saw it. In fact,

1470
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: I would see patients come into the ED a lot

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01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: with g I complaints so nausea, vomiting, their their stomach

1472
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 1: was a little paralyzed so it was really full, and

1473
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: they were having pain or even diarrhea. And I was like,

1474
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: these medicines are bad, you know, and and our automatic

1475
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: inclination is the thing black. Yeah, but their physicians too,

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01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: that's even more.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I'm seeing people patients on the back end,

1478
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 7: and I'm like, this shouldn't be happening to you. But

1479
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 7: you know that that typically would happen with the really

1480
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 7: bad side effects when doses were increased suddenly or or

1481
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 7: without a physician like really making those calls and doing

1482
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 7: it gently. So got If doses were boosted suddenly, you

1483
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,719
Speaker 7: see a lot more of those side effects, all.

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01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: Right, got it? Yeah, he's a sign. Jay shav Krimani

1485
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: E R Doc also a fitness food expert, and we

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01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 1: talk about this every Thursday morning on the show. You

1487
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,759
Speaker 1: can get him at dine Well Doc that's his handle.

1488
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,000
Speaker 1: We'll talk next week. Thanks again, it great appreciated. Let

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01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: me do a news update here in just minutes win

1490
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 1: a return. Something you need to know in the AI front.

1491
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: There's a new version of AI that's come out that

1492
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Speaker 1: is going to cause you a lot of concern and

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Speaker 1: maybe behind that recent Verizon att shutdown we had. I'll

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Speaker 1: explain next seven hundred w dow cincenati. It's allow me

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01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: back on seven hundred WLW. So we're all up in AI, right,

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01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: got AI? I used flawed? Maybe you chat GPT. There's

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01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: other ones out there. It seems like new ones are

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01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: coming online every day. There's a new evolution of this.

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Speaker 1: It's called claude Bot, not clu ade. This is claude

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01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 1: A is an you know, tiger claus c l a

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01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: w D bot and it's something called an AGI AI agent.

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01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: What the hell does that mean? So right now, AI,

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01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 1: you go in and you you know, type something in

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01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: and give me a answer a question for me, or

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01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: take this data and make sense of it for me,

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01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: or collate this, or you know, you can ask questions,

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01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: do research, whatever it might be. This takes it the

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01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: next step, which is actually performing tasks on computer. So

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01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: it sort of writes code, it autonomously performs tasks on computers.

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01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: It's like having a digital virtual assistant then can do

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01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: things rather than just simply ask their question. It sounds cool,

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01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: right except for this. Except for this, hackers, and you're

1513
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,799
Speaker 1: gonna be blown away what you learn here. Chris Niheist

1514
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: is on the show. He's the CEO of Cincinnati based

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01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: Advent cyber Security. Chris, welcome, are you.

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01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 3: I'm doing great, Scott, thanks for having me on.

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01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 8: Sure.

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01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 1: So this is I guess the next step in AI.

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01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, instead of answering questions and you know, do

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01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: data research stuff like that. This this is the next step.

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01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: It's actually doing stuff out of you could be automating

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01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: tasks like what what what?

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01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 9: Give me an example, so you know, people are using

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01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 9: it to do things like, uh, schedule an appointment, or

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01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 9: reply to an email or clean up clean up a

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01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 9: file folder?

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01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 1: All right, pretty simple? Boring self. That's like, hey, great job,

1529
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: it's my digital assistant, So let's put let's let's put

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01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,120
Speaker 1: this in the context here. Anytime you have something that's

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01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: being used for good, someone will find a way to

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01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,679
Speaker 1: use it for bad. Uh So the the opposite side

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01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: of that is what.

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Speaker 9: So the opposite side of that is, you know when

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01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 9: you when you set up these things, you give it

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01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 9: access to your calendar, or to your email, or to Twitter,

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01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 9: or to WhatsApp, whatever, your phone book, your files. These

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01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:00,680
Speaker 9: things run with the same access that you logged in with,

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 9: which is full access. Right, you have blocks of to

1540
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 9: your things. And so these agents, you know, they they

1541
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 9: they're built to perceive, they're built to reason, they're built

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01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,480
Speaker 9: to have tools. But they're also built to be autonomous,

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01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 9: which means now you just gave something complete access to

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01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 9: all your things that now can run autonomously. And if

1545
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 9: a hacker can take over that, guess what, they now

1546
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 9: can run autonomously as you.

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01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the problem is you know, you're not an

1548
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: expert in code, and you're not going to see what's

1549
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 1: in there. But now it is. Oh not is only

1550
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: doing the work for you, but it's also taking all

1551
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 1: your information, everything in your computer, everything in the cloud

1552
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: that's storted into your name and using that for god

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01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: knows what.

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01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 9: Yeah, and doing anything right in some of these cases.

1555
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 9: Now with Claudbot, and it just got renamed from mold

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01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,519
Speaker 9: Spot literally like the last twenty four hours because Claude,

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01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 9: which is a m under Anthropics, the company Anthropic, they

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01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 9: didn't love the fact that it was named Claude Loot

1559
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 9: too similar, so they forced them to change their name.

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01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 3: But this what Claudbot did was, you.

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01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 9: Know, two weeks ago you had to program your own agents,

1562
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 9: you had to build your own agents. You had to

1563
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 9: and there are some companies out there that were offering them,

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01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 9: but nowhere near as easy to adopt as claud Blot did.

1565
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 9: And so a claudbut did was just made it to

1566
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 9: where you can literally download it to a Macnini, or

1567
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 9: you can up you can go out to a a

1568
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 9: service called Virtual Private Service where you can buy a

1569
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 9: server for five dollars a month and you can just

1570
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 9: literally install it with a command line and all of

1571
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 9: a sudden it pops up with a prompts and you

1572
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 9: give it use your name some passwords in a way

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01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 9: it goes This seems like.

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01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 1: A major cybersecurity story where where you know it's the

1575
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: intersection of AI user experience and relying on AI to

1576
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 1: do stuff for us, but also malicious exploitation all of

1577
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: a sudden, this is a huge story, oh.

1578
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 9: Huge short and what's really happened in the last literally

1579
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 9: the last five days, is all of these people in

1580
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 9: their homes, at work, wherever just went.

1581
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 3: And install this.

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01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 9: And what it does is it ends up creating this

1583
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 9: connection back into these systems, right, And so what hacker's

1584
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,599
Speaker 9: been doing in security researches as well is just scanning

1585
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 9: the Internet and you can see where these things are

1586
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 9: and in a lot of cases almost most of them,

1587
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 9: people have just installed them at default and they have

1588
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 9: the default passwords, so you can literally access someone's system

1589
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 9: that has full access to everything they have, and you

1590
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 9: can read all their documents, all their chat history.

1591
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 3: People have uploaded and connected.

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01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 9: To Apple accounts, so you have accessed to their entire

1593
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 9: history of pictures and documents and even worse companies. You know,

1594
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 9: people at companies are thinking, oh, man, I can have

1595
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 9: this thing to do my job. So if they've gone

1596
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 9: out installed this and connected it to their corporate email addresses,

1597
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 9: if you're an email account and MFA and so now

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01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 9: you know, I think what we're going to see is

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01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 9: just this last week of just really fast adoption. You're

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01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 9: going to see the aftermath of this for quite some time.

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01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's interesting too, because you look at this,

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01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:13,360
Speaker 1: go okay, let's AI and you know, we're a little

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01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: cautious and layer we're not quite sure how it works

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01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: or why it works. If you're a small business person

1605
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: and you're using I don't know, claude bot or whatever

1606
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: it might be to do work for you, now you're going,

1607
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, what did I just download? You have

1608
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: no idea. It's maybe not the big players in the

1609
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:30,719
Speaker 1: world because they have expensive, exhaustive IT teams and cybersecurity teams,

1610
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: but if you're a small or medium sized operator, you

1611
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 1: probably don't. And this this sercial exposure there for you

1612
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 1: to your data, your information and everything else. Are we

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01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's going to be a while before we

1614
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: see massive data breaks sor why are we al ready?

1615
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking about the yeah Verizon, the

1616
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: Verizon outage, and we had chatted and you know, we think, okay, well,

1617
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: what happened. I don't know, somebody tripped over something. It's infrastructure.

1618
01:16:56,040 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: It happens, is a guy behind.

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01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 9: That You know, you know, it hasn't been released what

1620
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 9: really happened there. I think a lot of times what

1621
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 9: organizations are doing is they're trying to automate and not

1622
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 9: simprized and did this. But you do see this in

1623
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 9: a lot of organizations where they're now automating their operations.

1624
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 9: And so what happens is, you know, something triggers am

1625
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,479
Speaker 9: AI might autonomously make a decision.

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01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,440
Speaker 3: Is it's not exactly predictable.

1627
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 9: I would say it's actually dramatically not predictable, and and

1628
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 9: so it makes a decision, triggers a response, and it

1629
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 9: can take things down. So you know, in some of

1630
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 9: these outages that we see, I think it's very highly

1631
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 9: possible to assume that there's some AI triggering inside of that,

1632
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 9: you know, which is same thing here. It's like, you know,

1633
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 9: you're uh, there's a good example one of the uh there.

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01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:44,720
Speaker 3: Was a gentleman that you know.

1635
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 9: Connected his claud bought up to his open table account

1636
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 9: acted just send it a text, Hey, I want a

1637
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 9: reservation for this organization for this restaurant. It reached out

1638
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 9: to open table. Open Table's website was down because it

1639
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 9: had a connection to other things he has. It actually

1640
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 9: called the restaurant, had a conversation with the restaurant, and

1641
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:12,680
Speaker 9: then scheduled the reservation for him. Wow, that's where you know,

1642
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 9: that autonomous part of AI agents gets pretty scary because

1643
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 9: it's literally operating autonomously based on what it knows and

1644
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 9: what it's learned and how it's in programmed, and it

1645
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 9: may or may not actually do what you wanted to do.

1646
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 9: It could do and the outcome could be the same,

1647
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,560
Speaker 9: but it literally could release all your information on the

1648
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 9: Internet to try to figure out how to make you

1649
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 9: an appointment, because it just wants to please you, right

1650
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 9: and get your apployment.

1651
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting with you know, when now we see

1652
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: critical infrastructure go down, you wonder, okay, is AI behind it?

1653
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: Because it makes sense Chris, is that you know Claude

1654
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,760
Speaker 1: bot as you're talking about that we're going to farm

1655
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 1: these things out. It's not just hey, you know, do

1656
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,680
Speaker 1: some research for me on this and I'll put the

1657
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: I'll write the code. Now it's doing it itself. And

1658
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, if we're the point now where you're making

1659
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: restaurant reservation, the person on the other end is probably

1660
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,879
Speaker 1: also AI. And so we have these two IAI agents

1661
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: talking to each other like human beings. That's crazy. But

1662
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: now if we have big companies like Verizon eighteen, TM whatever,

1663
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: and like you said, we don't know, but it makes

1664
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: sense that they would be using the same thing to

1665
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: expand their infrastructure to work. And the only problem with

1666
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: that is AI is still imperfect. That's still in the

1667
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: formative stages.

1668
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 3: It is, yeah, it really is.

1669
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 9: And then you know, if you have this issue of

1670
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 9: people using technology putting on their systems giving access to

1671
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 9: all their things, hackers can take over and get access

1672
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:36,679
Speaker 9: all those things. But let's just say for a second

1673
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 9: it was all secure and it was fine. Where most

1674
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 9: of these people. Most people are connecting these agents to

1675
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 9: our free versions of the language models out there.

1676
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:48,799
Speaker 3: So if you connect to a free.

1677
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 9: Version of a language model, and that language model allows

1678
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 9: for you know, group learning, which means that with AI

1679
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 9: you can purchase private learning, which basically means you can

1680
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 9: upload your documents there.

1681
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 3: It won't use it to learn for you know, for

1682
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 3: the global public.

1683
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 9: Right, So if you go out and search in chat

1684
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 9: Gypt or Claude, you're not going to see answers that

1685
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 9: are related to my data. However, if you use a

1686
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 9: cheaper version of these or subscription to these. Your data

1687
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 9: is used to learn for everybody, right, which means if

1688
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 9: you upload a document with claude or claude bot or whatever,

1689
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 9: then those documents, even though they're private, they just did

1690
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 9: something for you. Now they're in the open domain and

1691
01:20:33,160 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 9: they're being learned from. And this just happened actually literally

1692
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 9: the last seventeen hours. This came out where the acting

1693
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 9: director of SISA, so Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency in the

1694
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 9: United States back over the summer.

1695
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,320
Speaker 3: It's accessing chat.

1696
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 9: GPT and uploaded some top secret documents to it that

1697
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:59,719
Speaker 9: then went into the public domain and now CHATCHPT learned

1698
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:04,799
Speaker 9: off of it. So you know, when you're dealing with AI,

1699
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 9: you have to be thinking about are the applications I'm

1700
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 9: using secure?

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01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:09,760
Speaker 2: Right?

1702
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:12,600
Speaker 3: Am I connecting it to things that I that I

1703
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 3: would be okay with it being autonomous in And then third,

1704
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 3: where's my data going and what's it being usedful?

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01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 1: Chris n I heis is here. He's the CEO of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati based Event Cybersecurity. It's called claude Bot c l

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Speaker 1: a w D and it basically what it does instead

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01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: of just you know, taking information you input on there

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01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: or images or whatever it might be, and coming up

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Speaker 1: with solutions for you. It autonomously performs tasks on computers,

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01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: like you know, cleaning up files or whatever it might be.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And now we found out that you know, that can

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Speaker 1: that information can be exploited, that there's hacks involved in

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01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: that too, and that information now is being used for

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01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: nefarious purposes. You know, we think of things like and

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01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,759
Speaker 1: just as example but not true would be the Verizon

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01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 1: shutdown where we had to go down because maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: that was probably done by AI. And so we're going

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01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: to see probably a lot more of those occurrences happen

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01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 1: as companies lean in more to AI and lean into

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01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: things like claude Bot, where they're not just automating research,

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Speaker 1: they're having it performed functions on computers, and that jeopardizes

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Speaker 1: the whole system. I wonder too, Chris. Then when it

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Speaker 1: comes to scale, like governments, for example, I thought private

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Speaker 1: business is one thing, Verison, but I'm sure our government

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01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 1: is going, Hey, listen, we're trying to do more with

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Speaker 1: less like everybody else, we employ some of these things.

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01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: Now you have public information, we have you know, readions

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Speaker 1: of data from the local FEDS and states, that could

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Speaker 1: compromise things like security and our critical infrastructure even more.

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Speaker 9: Right, absolutely, absolutely, And that's that's that's the crust, right,

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01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 9: is that the way in which we governed data before

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01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 9: was a lot more close to the chests, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 9: Now that we're needing to train models with it and

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Speaker 9: learn with it, even if it's a private AI platform,

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01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 9: you have to realize is that that now that now

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01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 9: system is learning and the access to that system is

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01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 9: really important because if you've taught it something, it could

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01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 9: infer or respond to someone else with less access than

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01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 9: you information about what it learned, right, And and so

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01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,960
Speaker 9: governing that data. The EU just you know, the last

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01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,759
Speaker 9: last three weeks just released a you know that they're

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01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 9: coming out with some significant AI governance language because it

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01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 9: is it is moving so fast, I mean literally, I

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01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,759
Speaker 9: mean well, one of the biggest things is that's trending

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01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 9: on Twitter right now is plodbox, and every day gets

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01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:39,360
Speaker 9: bigger because people are just excited, I think, to use

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01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 9: AI to generate tasks that are mundane for them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, that makes done the right way. Yeah,

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01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: that makes sense. But there's no way around this. This

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01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 1: is part of the learning experience. This is part of

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01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: the going to happen. Yeah, it has to to happen,

1754
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: is you know, like when the Right Brothers are fly

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01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: planes that fall out of the sky all the time. Now,

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01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: not so much because while the technology got better, that's

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01:23:58,439 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: nothing new.

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Speaker 3: And be awesome eventually, but it's going to be a

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01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 3: rocky ride for a little while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of information will be exposed as well.

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Speaker 1: I just wondered from a government perspective, you know how

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Speaker 1: much of this information falls on the wrong hands, because

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Speaker 1: I'd imagine right now, the you know, the Chinese, Iranians

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Speaker 1: and Russians are salivating at us.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they totally are. I mean, but but look at

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Speaker 3: that story.

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Speaker 9: I mean we have, you know, the acting director of FISA, right,

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01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:29,879
Speaker 9: you know, uploaded documents accidentally to JTGPT to a public instance,

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Speaker 9: and so you have this major human errors. People are

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01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:36,599
Speaker 9: are starting to become used to using this and they're

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01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 9: just putting things all over place. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 9: our adversaries are absolutely salivating. You know, I would say

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Speaker 9: we are too, because they're probably making some of those

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01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 9: things they count In those countries they're a lot more governed,

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Speaker 9: so you know, in China they govern the internet pretty heavily.

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01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 9: Russia they do the same thing, and so because they

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Speaker 9: have state control, there's a lot less disclosure that takes place,

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Speaker 9: you know, here in the United States where the wild

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01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 9: West for a lot of good reasons, right, but those

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01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 9: those good reasons also can be taken you know, neferiously

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01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 9: by our by our aver shares, and so we just

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Speaker 9: have to make sure, you know, in our businesses and

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01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 9: our homes, just realize that there is a thread out there.

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01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 9: They are evil and they do want to come after you,

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01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 9: and they do want to get your information and do

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01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 9: do things right. But even like you said, like there's

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Speaker 9: a lot of automation and we've talked about water districts before.

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01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 9: You know, you'll have three people running a water district

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01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:27,639
Speaker 9: now because most of it's automated, you know, and across

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01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 9: the board. So you know, they don't want to have

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Speaker 9: someone overnight, so they have automated for mediation for things.

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01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 9: And you know, we just have to be really wise

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01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 9: as we accelerate into the AI world and the automation

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01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 9: world that we do things in a very methodical way

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01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 9: to make sure that you know, our entire lifestyle can

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Speaker 9: be taken down overnight.

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Speaker 1: Christmas Big companies out there. I mean these are the

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Speaker 1: publicly traded ones or sizeable ones. I mean I could

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Speaker 1: think of like P and G and Fifth Third and

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Speaker 1: all sorts of companies like that that have their proprietary

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01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 1: corporate AI infrastructure. Meaning it's it's I don't know much

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Speaker 1: about that. We don't have a lot. We're working on it,

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01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure it's full of portion. But is

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Speaker 1: that outside is it almost firewall from the rest of

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Speaker 1: the AI universe that that information can't get outside of

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Speaker 1: the sphere of what it's being used in.

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Speaker 3: I mean in some companies, yeah, and some companies it's not.

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Speaker 9: I mean they you know, it's you know, I haven't

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Speaker 9: seen you know, their specific ones, the ones the companies

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Speaker 9: you've spoken about. But yeah, I mean, if someone could

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01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,799
Speaker 9: get access to those those systems, they can learn anything

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01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 9: about an organization really, and you know, to get access

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01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 9: to those it's not that hard. H you know, people

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01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 9: hacking the individual computer systems all the time. That's how

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01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,799
Speaker 9: ransomware gets delivered. So just to get on a system

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01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,320
Speaker 9: that someone has and then access that AI system, you

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Speaker 9: would you it would be easy to go through those systems. Now,

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Speaker 9: the thing I will say is when you look at

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01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,880
Speaker 9: companies that are adopting AI, uh, what we're seeing is

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Speaker 9: that you know, their their realization of the return on

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01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 9: their investment is it's hard to identify because you know,

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Speaker 9: it's really more broadly uh distributed. And the thing we

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Speaker 9: always tell people, companies, individuals, et cetera, is when you

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Speaker 9: start working AI, really start with one problem, like what's

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01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:12,600
Speaker 9: the problem you're trying to solve? What does that efficiency

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01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 9: look like to you? And doesn't make sense to do

1827
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 9: that right? And then once you do that, you can

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01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 9: start to identify. As you roll A out in your organization,

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01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 9: you know how it actually is benefiting you organizationally, and

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01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 9: if you don't do it that way, it's you really

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01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 9: can't track it. And and in fact, if you roll

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01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,839
Speaker 9: it out too broad, well, now you have more people

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01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 9: that are not you know, I would say not necessarily

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01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 9: the strategic leaders of an organization teaching the AI about

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01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 9: the organization, and then that comes back and help has

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01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 9: everyone go in that direction, right, right?

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Speaker 3: That is to be careful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and as it grows there's going to be

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01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: pitfalls and dangers. Doesn't mean you know, we should say, yeah,

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01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: we got to stop a because there's people out there

1841
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,120
Speaker 1: that say that, but we're not going to at this point.

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01:27:57,120 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, no, no where to use it for sure.

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01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: You should. Yeah, be careful though. Now we've got claud bought.

1844
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: You got to worry about that. And you know actors

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01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 1: are going to get inside that too as well. Really

1846
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: eye opening stuff. Chris, thanks again for the time. I

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01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: appreciate Chris, and I heis CEE over at the Advent

1848
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 1: Cybersecurity here in Cincinnati. Be well, have a great one.

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Speaker 1: A news update momentarily here on the big one seven

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Speaker 1: Good morning, How are you dear?

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01:28:43,080 --> 01:28:45,480
Speaker 10: Hey, good morning, it's almost good afternoon.

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01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:50,759
Speaker 1: Nothing gets past you. Matt Locke, I know, right, sharp

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01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: as a cue ball. Anyway, Um, yeah, you know, I

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01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 1: was thinking driving in this morning and it was minus

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01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 1: six or nine or what got whatever it were there

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01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: is and it's just cold, right is I am? I

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01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: am loth to see how much the electric bill is

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01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 1: the Duke energy bills. Everyone's probably gonna curse Duke in

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01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:10,600
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks when that bill comes out. You

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01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 1: let cringe out to look at it.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, middle middle of Ebuary.

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Speaker 1: Couple. It was ugly last time, and a cold snap

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Speaker 1: wasn't this long?

1871
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Speaker 11: That's true.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, this one is going to be even uglier. So

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01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 10: for the folks who yeah, I had a stroke when

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01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 10: they opened their Duke bill in January from our Friday

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01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 10: for December freeze. Yeah, it's gonna it's going to be worse, definitely.

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01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:40,679
Speaker 1: We covered this last week.

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Speaker 10: That may lead a lot of people to think about

1878
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 10: selling their house because they want to get out.

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01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 2: From under that.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're still gonna have to pay for utilities, doesn't

1881
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 1: really Where were you going to move to a place

1882
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 1: where you don't use utilities? I don't know where where

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01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: that would you know you did that?

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Speaker 10: Or this is here? Here's here's the thread, right right,

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01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:03,839
Speaker 10: they're going to think about modeling and getting some energy

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01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:05,759
Speaker 10: efficiency going in the house.

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Speaker 11: How about that?

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Speaker 1: How about that? There you go? Yeah, yeah, the USA

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01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: insulation guys, et cetera. Are probably killing or right now.

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01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I got to do something here

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01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 1: because this is just absurd. And you know, I don't

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01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: blame you, and you can make that house pretty tight

1893
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:20,240
Speaker 1: these days new windows. Insulation depends how much money you

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01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: want to spend to make your house energy tight, for sure,

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01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 1: and a lot of people you're spending so much sim

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01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: inside you're probably looking around going okay, this is tired.

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01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 1: I need to do this that and the other thing.

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01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 1: You know, people who are doing kitchen remodels and bathroom

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01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 1: models and everything else right now, and simply because they're

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01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: you're staying in place. I know, you know, I got

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Speaker 1: extra time now because you're not doing anything outside doing

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01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,280
Speaker 1: work in our newer place, new house, and you know,

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01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: just you know, getting stuff together. And it's amazing too.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many people, like the people who

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01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 1: live there before us. I keep finding stuff of theirs,

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01:30:50,240 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 1: like socks, and I was checking the sum pump to

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01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 1: make sure that you know, once all the stuff melts,

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01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 1: that the battery and it is okay, because we've got

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01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 1: to finish basement. And you know, I think I found

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01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:01,920
Speaker 1: a fur bone in the some pomp. I'm not sure

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01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: if the people before sir Axe murders, I have no idea.

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01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:06,600
Speaker 1: I think it was a human fever. I think it was.

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01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I gave it to that. I gave

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Speaker 1: it to the dog. He's the dog's happy. Run my blue.

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Speaker 1: I don't need my human bone. I an't na my foot.

1916
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 11: He was a little gang. Yeah, I don't know what

1917
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 11: that was all about.

1918
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 1: No, No, it's a don't know it's a person. That

1919
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:24,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's a Bone's a bone to a dog,

1920
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: not a person.

1921
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 11: I'm pretty sure.

1922
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:31,759
Speaker 1: Wait, you had bones and your some pump. Oh stop,

1923
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: we're going to have to disclose that. No, no, yeah, right,

1924
01:31:37,479 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. It's a crime to say.

1925
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 11: Now.

1926
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: Now people are like, where are you? Yeah, yeah, I

1927
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 1: found it. Yeah, that's that's right. A lot of femurs

1928
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:46,639
Speaker 1: something else. Yeah, all right, let's talk. We are talking

1929
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:48,160
Speaker 1: about remodeling. Is that kind of the lead in?

1930
01:31:48,280 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, we're talking about reminding. Actually, you know, over fifty

1931
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 10: percent of people dread this topic of remodeling, not only

1932
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 10: because of the financial aspect, but I just don't know

1933
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 10: what to do because there's so many things because once

1934
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 10: you start one project, it sort of leads to the next,

1935
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 10: into the next and to the next. And we've had

1936
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 10: this our whole lives where you know, we start with

1937
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 10: the living room and slowly we're doing the flooring. It's like, well,

1938
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:13,400
Speaker 10: we're going to do the flooring here, we should do

1939
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 10: the flooring on the whole first floor, and then you know,

1940
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 10: it just goes on and on and on, and that's

1941
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 10: kind of part of it and making a decision on

1942
01:32:22,120 --> 01:32:24,800
Speaker 10: what you want to do, what's going to be the

1943
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 10: best investment or return on that investment?

1944
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 3: Right.

1945
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:31,800
Speaker 10: The first thing is, and this has been for the

1946
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 10: twenty years I've been in the business, and I always

1947
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 10: find it somewhat fascinating, but a new steel front door

1948
01:32:39,240 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 10: will get you one hundred percent back on that investment.

1949
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 10: So a new front door, so that talks to a

1950
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 10: little bit.

1951
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 11: The curve appeal, right yep.

1952
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:53,400
Speaker 10: But also energy efficiency, yeah, no question, that's definitely going

1953
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 10: to be part of that.

1954
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 1: Why steel does it? Do you get less if it's fiberglass?

1955
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 10: Well, I don't know, it's new steel front door.

1956
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the steel or fiberglass is pretty good.

1957
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. People some people are like, oh I

1958
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: love wood. What is that's work? You gotta you gotta

1959
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 1: put saying on it every couple of years and it's

1960
01:33:15,640 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 1: a whole you know, I mean if sun's hitting it

1961
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: directly most houses are then you know, if you got

1962
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 1: a little covered area and maybe the sun doesn't hit it, sure,

1963
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 1: but man, that's if it takes. Man, they're beautiful, but

1964
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:26,200
Speaker 1: it takes some work.

1965
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,679
Speaker 10: But it does, and we do tend to have depending

1966
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 10: on which way you're house facing. If you have a

1967
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 10: wood door, it'll it'll deteriorate pretty quickly, even if you

1968
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 10: spent thousands of dollars on it. The most popular this

1969
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 10: is this is just a little quick add on. People

1970
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 10: say what color should I paint my front door? The

1971
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 10: most popular front door colors are black, which you know,

1972
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 10: honestly is like lava because it can so hot, right, red, white,

1973
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 10: blue and it.

1974
01:34:00,479 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 1: Eleven Sure what about pink?

1975
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 11: No, it's not on my.

1976
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 10: List, although red and burgundy will always turn to pink.

1977
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 10: And that looks like that.

1978
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've seen shutters that are pink.

1979
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 11: You know, I hate that.

1980
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: Terracotta anymore, but more like a pink. Yeah, you're like

1981
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 1: a flamingo pink right right, really was all right? What else?

1982
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:25,679
Speaker 10: Another one of the remodeling projects, and this is something

1983
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:29,799
Speaker 10: you can do this time of year, is a closet renovation.

1984
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 10: So even just removing everything from your closet and you know,

1985
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 10: taking down all the shelves, giving it a really good

1986
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 10: pay job, and then putting something up that makes more sense.

1987
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 10: There's a lot of different closet organization type products at

1988
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 10: the big box stores and everywhere that I think you

1989
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 10: would even say, are not that difficult to put together

1990
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 10: and put up?

1991
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:55,040
Speaker 11: Right?

1992
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean, I'll be honestly, there's a lot

1993
01:34:57,479 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 1: of after market products that you can buy. I'll be

1994
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:03,720
Speaker 1: on I think not to plug them or anything, but minards.

1995
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: You can get really good closet systems there that you

1996
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 1: put together. It's really easy. You don't have to have

1997
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 1: big carpenter skills to do that. You do to hang

1998
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 1: them and everything, but the quality the building is quite good.

1999
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 1: If you're looking for that custom built in type of

2000
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 1: thing without the price in your handy, you definitely could

2001
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 1: pull that one off. Or you know, I mean if

2002
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 1: you just sailed closet rod. The wire shelf systems are

2003
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,559
Speaker 1: pretty good too. You can get those in any big

2004
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,640
Speaker 1: box retailer. And you know, it depends how much money want.

2005
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: It depends not like what your budget is and how

2006
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: much space you have. But those things have come a

2007
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: long way as well.

2008
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:35,240
Speaker 11: Well.

2009
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,840
Speaker 10: And if we're you know, we just did this because

2010
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 10: we just recently moved. But even just going through your

2011
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 10: closet and getting rid of donating whatever, I mean, there's

2012
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 10: so much that we cram into our closet that we

2013
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 10: don't use or don't need, or that you know, I've

2014
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:53,840
Speaker 10: the number of items that I found in the back

2015
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 10: of my closet just waiting for me to lose that

2016
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 10: extra ten pounds.

2017
01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:59,880
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, right, right.

2018
01:36:00,520 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 10: At this point, it gave it up. They're all gone,

2019
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 10: ol Bro, no choice now, Yeah, yeah, I hear about it.

2020
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 1: Yeah right, exactly.

2021
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:16,720
Speaker 10: Just buy something that's fine, it's fine. Oh I did

2022
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:19,680
Speaker 10: find Oh here it is. Here's your fiberglass fiberglass front door.

2023
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 10: I just found it on my list and you probably

2024
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 10: already saw it because I gave you my list in advance.

2025
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 10: The steels or is one hundred percent return on investment.

2026
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:29,679
Speaker 10: The fiberglass door is only eighty percent.

2027
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 11: That's still pretty good.

2028
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,360
Speaker 1: Why would that be? I don't know I don't make

2029
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 1: the list.

2030
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 10: This is from the National Association of remark.

2031
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:42,440
Speaker 1: Okay, I got you, I got you. Remind whatever. Fiberglass

2032
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:43,040
Speaker 1: front door Okay.

2033
01:36:43,120 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 10: Still still one thing that most people don't understand when

2034
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 10: I go to visit them and they and I asked

2035
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 10: for it every time, is give me a list of

2036
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 10: all of the things that you've done in your home

2037
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 10: over the last ten years.

2038
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 11: Put a price on it.

2039
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 10: How much would you pay for your new countershop, how

2040
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,839
Speaker 10: much do you say for the new flooring, the door, whatever?

2041
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,680
Speaker 10: And they give me that whole list, and they're like, well,

2042
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 10: we'll get all that money back, right like you'll You'll

2043
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 10: get a percentage of it back, but not all of it.

2044
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 10: So that's again, that's where that anxiety comes in, because

2045
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,519
Speaker 10: you know, I'm gonna spend twenty thousand dollars on new flooring.

2046
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 10: Maybe if you're gonna do hardwood or something right that

2047
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:23,719
Speaker 10: is really high end. A high end floor will last

2048
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,639
Speaker 10: a really long time, so it will outlast.

2049
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:26,880
Speaker 2: You for sure.

2050
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 10: Now, if you already have hardwood floors and you get

2051
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:34,600
Speaker 10: them refinished again, that's you're gonna get those. If you

2052
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 10: buy a home with hardwood floors, real hardwood floors, and

2053
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 10: they're not in the best shape. I would say buy

2054
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 10: that house and don't worry about it, because you know,

2055
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 10: if you have kids, if you have dogs, whatever, it's

2056
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 10: gonna get beat up even more. And at some point

2057
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:51,479
Speaker 10: you can have them refinished. They're gonna look brand new.

2058
01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 1: And cut a.

2059
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 10: You didn't spend nearly as much money as you did

2060
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 10: putting in brand new hardwood floors.

2061
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 1: No, that makes sense. Yeah yeah, and you get nice

2062
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: hardwood floors, you know, you want to preserve them. We

2063
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,639
Speaker 1: have lovely the books before so had the houses. Floors

2064
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: are gorgeous in there, so yeah murder yeah yeah right, well,

2065
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,919
Speaker 1: I mean again, great taste and wonderful. You know, quality

2066
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 1: is of the flooring is great. I mean, so you

2067
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 1: got to look the other way. If you find us

2068
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 1: skull somewhere, it's no big deal. Uh. My wife Michelle

2069
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 1: Sloan here on the show talking about remodeling projects to

2070
01:38:25,479 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 1: give you the most resale bang for the buck. Front

2071
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 1: doors obviously, what about windows?

2072
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 10: Windows are great, Yes, vinyl windows. You're going to get

2073
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:35,680
Speaker 10: actually a little bit more return on your investment on

2074
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:39,000
Speaker 10: vinyl windows as opposed to wood. Same kind of thing

2075
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,679
Speaker 10: as we talked about on the front door. Wood takes

2076
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:45,480
Speaker 10: the maintenance. And you know, there are some new products

2077
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:49,560
Speaker 10: that have wood on the inside and vinyl on the outside,

2078
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 10: so it's less maintenance because it's in the outside and

2079
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 10: in the weather and all that. And so those that

2080
01:38:58,439 --> 01:39:00,560
Speaker 10: product I think is.

2081
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 11: If you can afford it, that would be the way

2082
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 11: to go.

2083
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 1: But you know that's been around for a while. That

2084
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 1: technology has been around for a long time a while,

2085
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: a couple of decades. But yeah, if you want that,

2086
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, the wood inside kind of look which doesn't

2087
01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:15,559
Speaker 1: take much maintenance all or no maintenance at all. Yeah,

2088
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 1: but you know, I've seen some of the fiberglass products

2089
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 1: now again back to fiberglass, you know they look great, so.

2090
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 10: Absolutely, and talk about energy efficiency. I know in our

2091
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 10: old house when we replaced the windows, there was a

2092
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 10: dramatic difference of the energy bills before and after. So

2093
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 10: everything has a life, a shelf life. And so if

2094
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 10: you have windows that are thirty years old, you know

2095
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,759
Speaker 10: they're getting to the point where maybe you have broken seals,

2096
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 10: maybe you haven't been really good about talking around them,

2097
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:52,320
Speaker 10: and yeah, making sure that they're air tight, and so

2098
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 10: looking at that as an investment in your home and

2099
01:39:56,200 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 10: the value of your home. It's not real sexy. See,

2100
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,479
Speaker 10: that's the thing everybody talks about. Oh, I've got a

2101
01:40:03,479 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 10: new kitchen and I sent blah blah blah, and the

2102
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:09,640
Speaker 10: kitchen isn't an amazing or the bathroom. Everybody focuses on

2103
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 10: kitchens and bathrooms. And I'm not saying that that's not important,

2104
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,720
Speaker 10: because it is. But if you do windows and a

2105
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 10: new HVAC system, you know, you get your heating and

2106
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 10: cooling system brand new, those things that goes a long way.

2107
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:27,520
Speaker 10: It's not sexy, but it's really important for the value.

2108
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:27,719
Speaker 3: Of your home.

2109
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, we're kitchens. Nobody think, oh a kitchen.

2110
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 1: I get my money back at a kitchen. Get your

2111
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 1: money back on a kitchen.

2112
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:39,559
Speaker 10: You know, kitchens are very personal, so you're likely to

2113
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 10: get about sixty percent back on that investment. And what

2114
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:47,880
Speaker 10: I'm saying is, you know, understand that if you want

2115
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 10: white cabinets, not everybody wants white cabinets. If you have

2116
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:57,120
Speaker 10: dark cherrywood cabinets, some people may.

2117
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 11: Not like that.

2118
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 10: So there are options, and but it is very personal.

2119
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 10: Someone may pick a countertop. Maybe when concrete countertops were

2120
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 10: you know, kind of being a cool retro what it

2121
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:13,719
Speaker 10: would be urban kind of thing. But if I walked

2122
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:17,719
Speaker 10: in and saw a countertop that was made out of concrete,

2123
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 10: I'd be like, not my style. So you do have

2124
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,360
Speaker 10: to be careful and you have to be conscious of

2125
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 10: the fact that, yes, you're going to be spending money

2126
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 10: on something that makes you happy, but at the same time,

2127
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:31,760
Speaker 10: will it make the next.

2128
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 11: Fire happy as well?

2129
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 10: And that's where that you know, everybody feels that a

2130
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:40,800
Speaker 10: little bit of pain. And Okay, it's so hard to

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01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:44,720
Speaker 10: make a decision, but I will say making a decision

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01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 10: over no decision is the better choice. Meaning if you're

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Speaker 10: going to put it, let's say you just have laminate

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01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 10: countertaps and they have burn holes in them and there

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01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:55,799
Speaker 10: it's bad and they're peeling and all of this stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yes, make a decision.

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Speaker 10: Find a granted which is the most desirable still at

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Speaker 10: this point, it's it's more affordable than it ever has been,

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Speaker 10: and that you can get something that's just neutral, that's

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Speaker 10: gonna that someone is going to enjoy for many, many,

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Speaker 10: many many years to come and you'll probably never replace it. So,

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Speaker 10: you know, definitely kitchens and you can you can pick

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Speaker 10: and choose what you do in a kitchen. So depending

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Speaker 10: on how big the kitchen, how much your house is worth. Again,

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Speaker 10: there's a lot of questions.

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Speaker 11: That I will always ask, is, or at.

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Speaker 10: Least try to find the answers for you. Is you know,

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Speaker 10: you don't want to put a fifty thousand dollars kitchen

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Speaker 10: in a house that's worth two hundred thousand dollars. The

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Speaker 10: math doesn't math, so you don't want to over improve

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01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 10: your your kitchen, or if.

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Speaker 1: It's a really nice house, to go cheap on it.

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Speaker 1: Either the end verse is true too.

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Speaker 10: Correct well, and I've seen some really really high end

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Speaker 10: homes where you know, they got to the lower level

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01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 10: and they're like, oh my gosh, I'm tired of spending money,

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Speaker 10: so I'm just gonna put laminate counters on the bar.

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Speaker 10: And it's just like such a letdown because the rest

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Speaker 10: of the house is amazing, and then they cheaped out

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Speaker 10: it so long.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honestly, yeah, I'm gonna call it, you know, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call stuff out. Uh, last year a year

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Speaker 1: before homer Rama, You're you're talking like million dollar plus

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01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:22,639
Speaker 1: homes and they've got lamine in the basement. What what Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a couple of million dollars a house and you're throwing

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on man.

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, I mean to me, that was like.

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Speaker 10: It was it's a slap in the base.

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Speaker 1: It was just well, I you know, doing what I

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Speaker 1: do in our business too, I look at it, go okay, well,

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Speaker 1: if you're cutting corners of lamin it, what's behind the walls?

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Speaker 1: I would run from that. I mean just you're you're

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01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:46,479
Speaker 1: talking about a you know, when you're talking to scale

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Speaker 1: the size of a house like this, it's you know,

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01:43:48,720 --> 01:43:53,679
Speaker 1: sure eight thousand square feet and multiple bedrooms and you're going, wow,

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Speaker 1: the lambin at the basement? Come on, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: a regular house to like you said, two three hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars house, no problem. But you're in the upwards

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Speaker 1: of a million, more than a million, that's a that's

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Speaker 1: a problem right there. My wife Michelle Sloane Sloane sells

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Speaker 1: homes dot com open house show. That would be the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app and of course a YouTube channel as well.

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Speaker 1: Over at Remax time in Mainville. All right, I'll be

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Speaker 1: home regular time today, get some stuff done inside the house.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll you know what I wonder if there's still

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01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,080
Speaker 1: a reward. What if I found in addition to the

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01:44:23,120 --> 01:44:26,240
Speaker 1: femur and the skull, what if I found Jimmy Hoffer.

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01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 1: Is there still a reward for this?

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Speaker 11: I don't know.

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01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:34,040
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it is Jimmy and Mauffa's tumor. We'll find

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Speaker 1: out together when I get home. Love you see it later.

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Speaker 1: I got news and then Willie is on the way.

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Speaker 1: Next on the Home of the Red seven hundred WW

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Speaker 1: since now