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Speaker 2: All Right, good afternoon, Happy Tuesday. Welcome in to Cincy

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Speaker 2: three to sixty on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 2: Hope you're having a great start to your day. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: you joining us here on the home of the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. It feels like, for

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Speaker 2: whatever reason Austin here, in recent weeks, we have had

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Speaker 2: so much stuff to talk about, and I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's normally the case in December, when the football team

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Speaker 2: you're talking about has four wins, the college football team

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Speaker 2: lost four in a row down the stretch, and one

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Speaker 2: of the basketball teams is trending in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 2: Yet thanks to the Kyle Schwarber News, Jermaine Burton, Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow's comments last Wednesday, Trey Hendrickson, Samar Stewart, and so

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Speaker 2: many other things, we have had so much to talk

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Speaker 2: about here as of late, and that continues to this afternoon,

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Speaker 2: we have more on the Cincinnati Bengals. I want to

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Speaker 2: expand a little bit on a conversation Moe and I

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Speaker 2: had yesterday on Joe Burrow and the wait that I

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Speaker 2: believe is on Joe Burrow's shoulders right now. Paul Dayner Jr.

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Speaker 2: With an unbelievable also unbelievable article today for The Athletic

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Speaker 2: about that probably changes how this organization goes about any

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Speaker 2: potential changes this offseason. Austin and I will have a

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Speaker 2: conversation on wins down the stretch versus the high draft picks,

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Speaker 2: or wins versus the culture that they can create when

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Speaker 2: you look at three games remaining. Of course, this stemming

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Speaker 2: regular season. I think that, and rightfully so, is met

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Speaker 2: and I understand why if you watch the NFL this weekend,

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Speaker 2: I'll expand more on why I'm worried about Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: playing in the final three games. If you missed it yesterday,

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Speaker 2: Brendan Sowersby is no longer a Cincinnati Bearcat. He has

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Speaker 2: hit the transfer portal. There is speculation that he winds

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Speaker 2: is trying to make preparations for the Liberty Bowl against

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Speaker 2: a Navy team that will not be shorthanded. It's a

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Speaker 2: we'll play that for you in our number three. It

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Speaker 2: is Tuesday, which means our guy, Joe Daniman will join

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Speaker 2: us at one o'clock. We have your talkbacks and of

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Speaker 2: course your phone calls five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. What else do we have Austin, We have

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Speaker 2: news from the Cincinnati Reds today as it pertains to

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Speaker 2: the Reds Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Lou Panella Sweet Lou Sweet Lou Baby, let the Reds

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Speaker 2: toe the wire to wire nineteen ninety World Series championship

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Speaker 2: in his first year as Reds manager. The fiery leadership

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Speaker 2: and winning mentality. You remember that nineteen ninety season, Austin

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Speaker 2: Wire to wire. No I wasn't here.

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Speaker 3: You should.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be reminded of it. A lot here coming

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Speaker 2: in the next few years. Reggie Sanders is a Reds

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. In twenty twenty six, he was an

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Speaker 2: There is only twenty Reds players in history to hit

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Speaker 4: That is a guy who is truly beloved by a

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Speaker 4: I'm glad he was put in by the Veterans Committee

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Speaker 2: He very much deserves it. Aaron Harangu durable, haranguetank consistent,

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Speaker 2: He's the Reds leader in strikeouts each season from four

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Speaker 2: finally Brandon Phillips Dat Dude b phil flashy defense, power, speed, combination,

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Speaker 4: I feel old seeing guys like Aaron Harang and Brandon

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Speaker 4: Dude BP the greatest defensive player that I've ever watched,

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Speaker 4: He was nightly highlights watching him play. The personality, the leadership,

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Speaker 2: Before I did radio, I ran a training facility at

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Speaker 2: rehab injuries there because a team doctor was there, so

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Speaker 2: he would stay out there and just drill different things

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Speaker 2: very very well deserving for those four members into the

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Speaker 2: Reds twenty twenty six Hall of Fame Class. Monday Night

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Speaker 2: football last night made it twenty three Monday Night football

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Pittsburgh as a whole is playing some

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Speaker 4: And I've been thinking about it, and I think I

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Speaker 4: I don't think they are as good as their record says.

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Speaker 2: They know. I don't buy that Dolphins try. They went

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Speaker 2: a cold weather game. Tua is awful. Yep, what about

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Speaker 4: They still are. They're ten and seventeen, okay, just hovering

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Speaker 2: Other noteworthy things. Arch Manning is going back to Texas.

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Speaker 2: Good for him. And this is going with a conversation

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Speaker 2: we'll have along Joe Burrow. The Washington Commanders have shut

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Speaker 2: They made that decision yesterday. Just too many health cancerre

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Speaker 2: for Jane Daniels. The season is lost for Washington. They

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Speaker 4: everything have gone well, that Patrick Mahomes may not miss

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Speaker 2: watch this offseason. Sure, you know they've finally been dethroned,

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back Monday. I'm sorry, not Monday. It's Tuesday. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Outside of what we just discussed, And again urging, urging,

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Speaker 4: should be transparent, but it's not abnormal. And then the

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Speaker 4: other thing to me is, as much as all of

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Speaker 4: that is outlined by Paul, and he does a great

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Speaker 4: job of it, I think that these last three games

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Speaker 4: do matter. I think it matters on the internal perception

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Speaker 4: of Zach Taylor. I think it matters the way the

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Speaker 4: locker room responds to him, and I think it matters

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Speaker 4: when it comes to decision making about players going into

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Speaker 4: the offseason. Now in Miami is okay, they're not great,

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Speaker 4: Arizona is not very good and they're starting Jacoby Brissett. Cleveland

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Speaker 4: has an elite defense, but is by no means a competitive,

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Speaker 4: you know, competing for anything in the AFC. My concern

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Speaker 4: has always been, and I've talked about this a lot

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Speaker 4: this year. Is you cannot allow what happens over the

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Speaker 4: final seven games to change what you saw in the

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Speaker 4: first ten, or what happens in the first the last

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Speaker 4: five games to determine, you know, change what you saw

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Speaker 4: in the first twelve. But I think that these games

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Speaker 4: do matter to the people inside that organization when formulating

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Speaker 4: their plan for twenty twenty six and beyond.

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Speaker 2: It is it's a remarkable read, and it also plays

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Speaker 2: into what we're going to have a conversation about when

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Speaker 2: we get back about those final three games. And I'm

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Speaker 2: going to relate it to Joe Burrow from what I

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Speaker 2: saw yesterday or what I saw on Sunday. We'll have

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Speaker 2: that discussion when we get back. Joe Daniman will join

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Speaker 2: us at one. Will also take your phone call five one, three, seven,

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Speaker 2: Thirty must qualify for enrollments.

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Speaker 3: Results me.

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Speaker 6: There he La Mark Doom's the right foot a couple

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Speaker 6: of times catches a shotgun snap, it's a heap dropped.

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Speaker 6: Lamar throws and it is dropped and it is possibly

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Speaker 6: picked off. The Bengals are celebrating.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's an interception.

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Speaker 6: The ricochet goes to Jordan Battle and Cincinnati gets a

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Speaker 6: takeaway at the twenty eight yard line.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Battle had a pretty good defensive series there.

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Speaker 4: He had a tackle as an unblocked defender and that

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Speaker 4: interception is.

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Speaker 2: Huge, big time stuff from Jordan Battle. That's our Win

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Speaker 2: Schulers call of the night. Thank you our friends at

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Speaker 2: Win Schulers. Four fantastic chief spreads pairwell with anything over

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Speaker 2: the course of the holiday season. You know, Austin, we

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Speaker 2: did the Tony and Mo Football Show yesterday and one

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Speaker 2: of our sales reps, Todd Curlis, came and saw us. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and Todd brought Win Schulers with him. He told me

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Speaker 2: he was gonna do that. Just an incredible gesture. I

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Speaker 2: wasn't sure if he had the guts, but he did.

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Speaker 2: He brought it in. Good for him, fantastic, It was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to win Schulers. All right, let's have this conversation here, Austin,

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is gonna play down the stretch. Winning is important,

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Speaker 2: says Zach Taylor. Yes. Now, the argument to it for

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Speaker 2: some is well, if you win the meaningless game down

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Speaker 2: the stretch, then you get a worse draft spot and

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Speaker 2: you potentially miss out on a higher draft pick, a

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Speaker 2: more impactful draft pick. And we know that drafting has

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Speaker 2: been a struggle to this team. That's not my concern

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Speaker 2: when it comes to Joe Burrow playing down the stretch.

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Speaker 2: What is your take on Joe Burrow playing and winning

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Speaker 2: being important more so than anything else.

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Speaker 4: I have always said that if a player wants to play,

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Speaker 4: and he's healthy enough to play, then he should play.

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Speaker 4: I have no problem with Joe Burrow playing the final

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Speaker 4: three games. The Bengals are to me, the most important

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Speaker 4: pieces that you get in the top five or six

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Speaker 4: or seven pieces in the NFL draft. Places in the

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Speaker 4: NFL draft are quarterbacks. The Bengals don't need one. Now sure,

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Speaker 4: your argument to that in response would be, well, they

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Speaker 4: can't draft outside the top five, and I get it,

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Speaker 4: I understand, But to me, they don't need a franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 4: So drafting anywhere from nine to fifteen isn't that big

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Speaker 4: of a difference in my opinion. And I saw something

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Speaker 4: from Ian Rappaport over the weekend where he said that

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Speaker 4: when you're trying to build a culture, winning games is

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Speaker 4: more important than draft picks. And I think back to

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty or twenty nineteen, when the Bengals were terrible

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Speaker 4: and they benched Andy Dalton and they went with Ryan Finley.

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Speaker 4: They were playing for draft picks, they were tanking, and

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Speaker 4: then once they got their quarterback and Burrow went down,

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Speaker 4: you know, in mid November, they were still trying like

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Speaker 4: hell to win those games, and they could have screwed

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Speaker 4: up a chance to draft Jamar Chase. They won those

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Speaker 4: four games, and we often look back to the Steelers

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Speaker 4: game in December of twenty twenty as one of those

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Speaker 4: culture building wins. I think, based off what we've seen

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Speaker 4: over the last six to eight months, with guys like

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Speaker 4: Trey Hendrickson on the way out, with Logan Wilson gone,

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Speaker 4: with other parts of this roster lacking leadership. Von Bell

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Speaker 4: is not here, Mike Kilton's not here, and so on,

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Speaker 4: I think desperately that this team still needs the culture

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Speaker 4: and it needs to rebuild its culture, and I think

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Speaker 4: winning games will help that. And I don't think there's

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Speaker 4: a huge difference between picking ninth or picking fifteenth or

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Speaker 4: sixteenth in the NFL draft this coming season.

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Speaker 2: Will you say that if the Bengals are picking twelfth

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Speaker 2: and at number ten, Caleb Down gets drafted because it's

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Speaker 2: easy to say that now.

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Speaker 4: Sure, sure, it's easy to say that. Now, it's easy

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Speaker 4: to say anything t say what you just said. Now,

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Speaker 4: we don't know who they're gonna draft.

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Speaker 2: This team has so many holes, they're so far away

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Speaker 2: from a super Bowl. Sure, what good are you doing

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Speaker 2: losing draft positioning down the stretch? I get it?

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Speaker 4: But my point argument, My point is like the intangible

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Speaker 4: culture building aspect of it. Sure that you really can't

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Speaker 4: measure as opposed to being able to measure from draft picks.

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Speaker 2: And I get it. I get that. That's that's probably

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Speaker 2: a hole in my argument. Well, the culture is not

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Speaker 2: great either because of how this team just played correct Sunday,

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Speaker 2: So that's not but that's not my argument. My argument

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Speaker 2: is this. Joe Burrow was clearly off last Wednesday when

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Speaker 2: he spoke Would you agree that Joe Burrow was off

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Speaker 2: on Sunday. Yes, Joe Burrow openly talked about not just

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Speaker 2: throws being off. He talked about missing protections, He talked

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Speaker 2: about miss reads, He talked about missed assignments. Here's my worry.

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Speaker 2: If you are at all mentally compromised, and your mindset,

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Speaker 2: your preparation, your build up to a game is not

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent on what you need to do in

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Speaker 2: that moment in that game, then the risk for being

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Speaker 2: injured goes up because the risk for mistakes go up.

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Speaker 2: You miss a protection, you run the risk of getting hurt.

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Speaker 2: You miss a read, you hold onto the ball longer,

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Speaker 2: you run the risk of getting hurt. The Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: I heard last Wednesday doesn't seem okay. The Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: I watch play on Sunday doesn't seem okay. And the

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow that I heard Jamar Chase talk about after

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Speaker 2: the game on Sunday doesn't seem okay. And I don't

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Speaker 2: think it's physical. I think it's something going on mentally.

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Speaker 2: That's speculation, that's just my point of view. But if

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Speaker 2: you're not one hundred percent mentally in the week leading

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Speaker 2: up to the game, and in that game, if your

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Speaker 2: mind's not all on that, you run the risk of

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Speaker 2: exposing yourself and it runs the risk of a higher

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Speaker 2: rate of injury.

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Speaker 4: Have we ever felt like we've seen that mentality or

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Speaker 4: those type of mental lapses from Joe Burrow uring his sixties.

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Speaker 2: We've never seen that. We've never heard something like last Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: that coincided with the game that he had on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: which coincided with what Jamar Chase said about trying to

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Speaker 2: check in and make sure he's good. Those three things alone,

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Speaker 2: I think are one offs. Those three things all in

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Speaker 2: the span of a couple of days. I don't think

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Speaker 2: that's happenstance. I don't think that's just random. I think

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Speaker 2: there's something going on with Joe Burrow, and if there is,

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Speaker 2: I think running him out there could be dangerous.

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Speaker 4: My point, or my counter to that would be, we've

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Speaker 4: never seen it before. We certainly have never seen it

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Speaker 4: like in back to back games or something like that before.

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Speaker 4: So to me, Joe gets the benefit of the doubt

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Speaker 4: of that was a bad week, a bad game, it

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Speaker 4: was in the cold, whatever you want to say. I

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Speaker 4: don't believe I'll see that Joe Burrow again. That's and

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Speaker 4: I'm just going off of history of like, I've just

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Speaker 4: never seen him perform that poorly in one game, let

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Speaker 4: alone back to bad games. He normally bounces back really well.

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Speaker 4: I think of the twenty one season, we played really

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Speaker 4: bad in Chicago and came back and played pretty well

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Speaker 4: against the Pittsburgh Steelers the next week and they beat

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Speaker 4: him twenty four to ten. He's had bad games, He's

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Speaker 4: had bad games, He's had bad moments. I don't know

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Speaker 4: that it's it's ever been something that has snowballed into

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Speaker 4: a bad season.

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Speaker 2: But rarely have we ever heard Joe Burrow talk about

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Speaker 2: missing checks. Sure, missing assignments, missing protections. I'm gonna I'll

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Speaker 2: do a video later this week. The interception he threw

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Speaker 2: for a pick six Jamar He had a pre snap motion,

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Speaker 2: he knew the coverage Jamar Chase was one on one,

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Speaker 2: he didn't look at him. How many that's ninety nine

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Speaker 2: point nine percent of the time that ball goes to

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase? Sure, I that's my thing. Joe Burrow's had

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Speaker 2: bad games before. I don't think Joe Burrow has made

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Speaker 2: the mental mistakes we've seen and brought this up yesterday

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Speaker 2: the point in the third quarter on a third and

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Speaker 2: eight or third and ten, Joe Burrow scrambles out of

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Speaker 2: the pocket. They're down seventeen to nothing, and instead of

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Speaker 2: extending the play, instead of giving someone a shot down

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Speaker 2: the field, Joe just jogged out a bounce. And I've

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Speaker 2: never seen that before. MoMA said, yes, he said that

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Speaker 2: was the moment the white flag was waived. Where is

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Speaker 2: the f that Jamar is down their mentality, or where

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Speaker 2: is tucking the ball up and going and getting a

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Speaker 2: couple extra yards and going forward on fourth and down

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Speaker 2: or giving someone a chance. He just jogged out of bounce.

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Speaker 2: We've never seen that from Joe Burrow. I just I

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Speaker 2: worry about the mental side and running him out there

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Speaker 2: if that's not one. Yeah, I get where you're coming from.

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Speaker 4: I just I feel like, as of now, to me,

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Speaker 4: he's earned the benefit of the doubt that like, this

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Speaker 4: isn't going to be a trend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And the other part that I think of is, let's

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Speaker 4: say something is going on mentally or in his personal

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Speaker 4: life or whatever it might be, is taking him away

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Speaker 4: from football the best thing for him.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that that's his job. That's his identity.

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Speaker 2: That's or if it overlaps into football, it's dangerous. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I get where you're coming from. Like that, that totally

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Speaker 2: makes sense.

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Speaker 4: I just think at the end of the day, if

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Speaker 4: he wants to play, he should play. And he's making

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Speaker 4: two hundred and seventy five million dollars, And as we

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Speaker 4: outlined in the last segment, these games do matter. I

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Speaker 4: think they matter to Zach. I think they mattered to

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Speaker 4: Al Golden. I think they matter to a guy like

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Speaker 4: Andre Josevash. Yeah, you know, I think it matters to

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00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 4: a lot of guys on defense. So I think there

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Speaker 4: can still be even though it means nothing in the

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Speaker 4: grand scheme of things, I think there is something to

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Speaker 4: be learned from and taken from these final three weeks,

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Speaker 4: even if it's minimal, even if it's not a ton

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Speaker 4: I think there is some value still in it.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned Andrey Yoshivas by the way, very quiet game

651
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Speaker 2: for him on Sunday with no T Higgins as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the film suggests that yoshibosh could have a big game.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a break. We'll finish up this hour with

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Speaker 2: some phone calls, and then we'll switch to Joe Danaman

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Speaker 2: next on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Welcome back,

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Speaker 2: since he three to sixty on a Tuesday, ESPN fifteen

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Speaker 2: to thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. We got Joe Danaman in

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Speaker 2: just a few minutes. So let's get through a couple

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Speaker 2: of quick phone calls. Chad, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 7: Hey?

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Speaker 8: Thanks heavy? Heay real quick without Paul Dana Regent. Zach

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Speaker 8: Taylor's not going anywhere now we know that Al Golden

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Speaker 8: I thought he might go. He's not going anywhere. The

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Speaker 8: problem is Duke Topin. He's the one that needs to go.

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Speaker 8: I think there's Zach Taelor's going to the shoot for

667
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Speaker 8: hims gonna be. He didn't have Burrow Al Golden. The

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Speaker 8: shoot for him's gonna be. These weren't his. That The

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Speaker 8: problem is the way this team is constructed and.

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Speaker 2: What they do in free agency.

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Speaker 8: Obviously that's the problem. As far as his last three

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Speaker 8: games go, I don't think it matters what they win

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Speaker 8: our loot out because they've proven that they can't drop

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Speaker 8: them anyways. So I think Austin's right, there's a culture

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Speaker 8: thing that they need to be to say, but Tobin

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Speaker 8: is the one that has to be fired. If they don't,

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Speaker 8: if they bring him back, and there's gonna be this

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Speaker 8: is gonna be the same thing over again next year.

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Speaker 8: It's not gonna change. It's the problem is Tobn. It

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Speaker 8: is exactly Tobn. That's the problem.

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Speaker 3: Chat.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the phone call man, Thank you. Yeah. I

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Speaker 2: if you had this, if you had to vote Austin

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Speaker 2: or rank who's safest in their job between Al Golden,

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor, and Duke Tobin, would it be Golden Taylor,

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Speaker 2: Tobin safest like Tobin. I'm sorry, I'm uh most most

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Speaker 2: outrest risk.

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Speaker 4: It would be Al Golden, Yeah, and then Zach and

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Speaker 4: then Duke makes sense?

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Speaker 9: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Ian, what's going on?

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Speaker 10: Hey, what's up guys?

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Speaker 2: A couple of quick things.

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Speaker 10: First one is lighthearted, kind of serious, but kind of

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Speaker 10: a joke in here.

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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 10: You know, Mike Brown whispered in the Burrows Year that

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Speaker 10: week before he had that first press conference saying he

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Speaker 10: wasn't feeling too great and he's not gonna say out

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Speaker 10: loud that this is what's going on. He kind of

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Speaker 10: wink wink to everybody when he was saying a lot

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Speaker 10: of things are happening, and Mike was probably like, Hey,

703
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Speaker 10: we're just gonna wait so he can get a higher

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Speaker 10: draft pick here, I wouldn't put it past them. I'm

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Speaker 10: kind of kidding, but I'm kind of serious. If you

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Speaker 10: look at the pattern of this franchise, it's like they

707
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Speaker 10: would rather wait and take a lottery ticket on getting lucky.

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Speaker 10: I'm getting a good defense together every ten or fifteen

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Speaker 10: years rather than being more preemptive and really going after it. Okay,

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Speaker 10: My second part to the whole deal is they have

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Speaker 10: all this information laid out before them of like how

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Speaker 10: they could improve, learn from this, take your ego, throw

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Speaker 10: it out the window, and learn from what's good. If

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Speaker 10: they're gonna stick with Duke Tobin and this staff and

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Speaker 10: the way they run things, and they really want to

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Speaker 10: develop and drafted where you need to like attack the

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Speaker 10: concentrated issue with authority, and if they don't do that,

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Speaker 10: I mean, we're freaking doomed. But that's the problem, and

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Speaker 10: it's all laid out.

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Speaker 12: We talked about it before the.

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Speaker 10: Draft, about going after a couple of key guys to

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Speaker 10: really shure it up. They just they're paying money for

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Speaker 10: big guys and they don't sure up.

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Speaker 12: On the other end. That's a problem.

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Speaker 10: Man, if you're not gonna develop correctly, you got you

726
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Speaker 10: gotta pick and shoes. You can't float and win like

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Speaker 10: they do.

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Speaker 12: Man.

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Speaker 2: That's my opinion, and I appreciate the phone call, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I would make the argument that they have attacked the issue,

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Speaker 4: it just hasn't hasn't worked. And we've talked about what

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Speaker 4: they've done on defense, right from signing Sheldon Rankins to

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Speaker 4: all the draft picks, to keeping Trey Hendrickson around to

734
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Speaker 4: like all of it. Geno Stone was a free agent

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Speaker 4: acquisition after leading the leading the AFC and interceptions like

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Speaker 4: there has been a concentrated effort to fix it. They've failed.

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Speaker 4: So to Ian's point, that's all on Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 2: So if they if they found a way to if

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Speaker 2: the same cast of characters will be there Austin, is

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Speaker 2: there anything they can do to learn or adjust how

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Speaker 2: they operate?

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Speaker 4: That's the biggest question of this offseason. What did they

743
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Speaker 4: learn from the last two years because this offseason they

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Speaker 4: chalked it up to being unlucky. Well, you don't get

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Speaker 4: that excuse this year, and I'm not going to accept

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Speaker 4: the Burrow was heard excuse because they were in those

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Speaker 4: games and they could have won them and they didn't.

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Speaker 4: So what did you learn about yourself this year? And

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Speaker 4: how do you fix it?

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Speaker 2: Yep? That to me is it's such a wild card

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Speaker 2: and how this will be handled. We got one more

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Speaker 2: call here for just a minute or so. What's up, Mike?

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Speaker 13: Did you call me?

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Speaker 14: Joe?

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 15: Mike?

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Speaker 14: Okay?

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Speaker 9: Thank you?

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Speaker 13: Hey, up.

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Speaker 12: Real quick.

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Speaker 14: On those ticks nine through fifteen, I do make I

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Speaker 14: do think it makes a difference. I think it makes

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Speaker 14: a huge difference. If you guys there, especially so desperate

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Speaker 14: for a defender, and you got the fifteenth instead of

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Speaker 14: the nights, unless you got things to play with for

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Speaker 14: a trade, which they don't, you'd much retter be nine

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Speaker 14: than fifteen. Austin, I don't agree with that at all.

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Speaker 14: I need to explain that to me. Well, I just

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Speaker 14: don't understand the logic that you have there. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 14: I'm not trying to be a smart route.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying when you have the amount of needs that

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Speaker 4: they have, whether it's up front or a linebacker or

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Speaker 4: a safety or a corner, like, there's going to be

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Speaker 4: guys available in that range that I don't know that

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Speaker 4: there's varying degrees of separation. Like one through five, that's

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Speaker 4: obviously an elite, elite group of athletes. I think the

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Speaker 4: middle six to eighteen is kind of the same group

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Speaker 4: of player. I don't know that there's a huge gap

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Speaker 4: between the types of players, especially when you have multiple needs.

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Speaker 2: That's my point.

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Speaker 14: I get you, and that makes sense. The quarterbacks will

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Speaker 14: go first, as we know, and then maybe if you're

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Speaker 14: at that Nights pick, you might get the what would

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Speaker 14: be uh A quarterback caliber on the defensive side.

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Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. Yeah, no, I hear you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: who knows.

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Speaker 14: What I'm worried about here? Got well? I think this

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Speaker 14: is probably the worst season. The feel of the season,

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Speaker 14: Joe's injury, the way that the team has lost games.

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Speaker 14: This might be the toughest on him mentally, don't you agree? Yes, okay,

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Speaker 14: because it's just been a crappy season for everybody and

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Speaker 14: including poor Joe. For God, wants to win so bad.

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Speaker 14: He's wanted everything he's done all his life. I think

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Speaker 14: that's playing on him hard. But I'm just worried we're

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Speaker 14: drifting back to the days of Carson and I hope

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Speaker 14: the hell I'm wrong, but it's it's an eerie feeling

797
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Speaker 14: because history repeats itself. Guys, it does, you know. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 14: So that's all I had those.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, I appreciate you, y Ed. I have more

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Speaker 2: on the Joe Burrow topic that we'll get to as

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Speaker 2: the show goes on today. For now, let's get a break.

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Speaker 2: us right now.

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Speaker 12: What's up, Joey D, Tony P and Audie E. Happy Mary,

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Speaker 12: Early Christmas in New Year. I'm excited for the holiday season, guys.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait for the holiday season. I'm glad it's here.

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Speaker 2: I do have to ask you, Joe, outside of anything

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Speaker 2: Bengal related, what was your take on John Cena's final match?

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Speaker 12: So Austin just asked me this question, and I'll give

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Speaker 12: it to you in a two part answer. I haven't

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Speaker 12: yet seen it. You can't see me, and I'm not

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Speaker 12: the world's biggest John Cena fan. I understand whose impact,

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Speaker 12: but John Cena I can take or leave it, So

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Speaker 12: I'll see it. Haven't seen it yet, but I am

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Speaker 12: looking forward to seeing it because I understand his impact

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Speaker 12: in the wrestling game. So it's a musty.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about impact. That's the uh, the impact

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Speaker 2: that Joe Burrow has on the Cincinnati Bengals. It was

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Speaker 2: just an odd week Joe. From Wednesday press conference to

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Speaker 2: the way in which Joe played to hearing Jamar Chase

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Speaker 2: talk about Joe after the game. Are you at all

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Speaker 2: concerned about Number nine right now, whether it's on the field,

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Speaker 2: off the field, physically mentally, what's your level of concern

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Speaker 2: for Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 12: I'm not concerned for Joe Burrow because I believe in

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Speaker 12: what he's made of and I think he'll get out

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Speaker 12: of whatever rut he's in. I think what you said

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Speaker 12: about Jamar talking about it was important because we talk

844
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Speaker 12: so much about a quarterbacks having to elevate everybody around him.

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Speaker 12: There's a feeling now inside that locker room after what

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Speaker 12: Joe talked about and the way he played on Sunday

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Speaker 12: that some of the guys who have been through this

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Speaker 12: with him, and you know, you look at the numbers,

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Speaker 12: there aren't a lot of guys anymore who have gone

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Speaker 12: through the twenty one and twenty two years and are

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Speaker 12: still around with the Bengals. I think, what eighty percent

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Speaker 12: of the roster has never played in a playoff game.

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Speaker 12: But the guys that have been around here need to

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Speaker 12: uplift him now. And I think that's Jamar, I think

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Speaker 12: that's te I think that's some key members of the

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Speaker 12: coaching staff who can get him out of whatever emotional

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Speaker 12: rut he's in because how he sounded on Wednesday is

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Speaker 12: how he played on Sunday, and we don't expect that

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Speaker 12: from him, he gets a pass, he's earned a pass

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Speaker 12: for a week. I expect him to bounce back with

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Speaker 12: a different kind of energy this week. The Bengals need it,

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Speaker 12: The team needs that, the organization does. But I think

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Speaker 12: that's going to start with Jamar Chase and if t

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Speaker 12: Higgins can get out of concussion protocol. I think it

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Speaker 12: starts with those two guys as well, rallying around him

866
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 12: performing at a really high level on Sunday in Miami

867
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 12: and helping Joe Burrow get past whatever's bothering him.

868
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: Outside of Joe Burrow's play, it felt like Jamar Chase

869
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: was a tick off on Sunday. It felt like the

870
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 2: offensive line didn't protect in a way that we've seen

871
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: them play over the last couple of weeks. Where do

872
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 2: you point to when looking back on Sunday. Do you

873
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: tell you just one of those games that you throw

874
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 2: away the tape and you move on from, or where

875
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 2: do you feel like is the deeper rooted issue with

876
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 2: what we saw from this offense Sunday.

877
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 12: The hardest thing you can do is to point an

878
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 12: accusatory finger at a player's effort level, because these guys

879
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 12: will tell you we get it. The NFL is a

880
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 12: win business, the bottom line business of winning games. But

881
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 12: this is fundamental to what they are and who they

882
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 12: are as professional athletes. They showing up and performing at

883
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 12: their highest level no matter what the circumstance is. You know,

884
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 12: guys will always tell you it's on film. Guys will

885
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 12: always tell you they're competing for jobs. And those two

886
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 12: things are accurate and correct. But this is the ultimate

887
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 12: test of professionalism for this group here the next three weeks,

888
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 12: because the situation here at Cincinnati is more unique than

889
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 12: other teams who are playing out the string, because I'm

890
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 12: not sure many other cities where teams right now who

891
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 12: have been eliminated from the playoffs and just pick your

892
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 12: Cleveland Browns or Las Vegas Raiders. Came into the season

893
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 12: of the expectation that the Bengals have had, and an

894
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 12: expectation that considers the weight of two straight years not

895
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 12: making the playoffs and everyone's circling this year and saying, Okay,

896
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 12: they better do this or else. Well, we're here now.

897
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 12: The question is what is or else? And we don't

898
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 12: know that answer, and certainly what Paul Dayer Junior wrote

899
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 12: today maybe shed some light on that answer. What we're

900
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 12: going to see here in the upcoming offseason. But it's

901
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 12: hard to sit here over the phone talking to you

902
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 12: and you're a professional, former professional football player in point

903
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 12: of figure at a guy's effort. But I can tell

904
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 12: you that's what it looked like on Sunday. That's what

905
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 12: it felt like, and sometimes that can be just as

906
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 12: damning if you do or you don't. Is just what

907
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 12: the perception is. It felt like the mood and the

908
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 12: tone of the building was set on Wednesday, and they

909
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 12: played like that on Sunday. Now, can they dig themselves

910
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 12: out of this the next three weeks and pass that

911
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 12: test of professionalism? They know the spotlights on them, they

912
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 12: know people are now watching for it. The question is

913
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 12: will they perform better than they did on Sunday. They

914
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 12: can't perform worse, They're certainly that, But we just want

915
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 12: to see at this point this team be about the

916
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 12: right stuff, react in the right way, and finish this

917
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 12: season out the correct way. As of now, we know

918
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 12: Joe's playing this week and the final three weeks. That

919
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 12: could change, we'll see, but if he's going to play,

920
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 12: the standard shouldn't change, and the standard is much higher

921
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 12: than what we saw against the ravelings.

922
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: So does that, in your opinion, that outweigh any conversation

923
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: of sitting guys or making decisions on who to play

924
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: or who not to play. I know you can't go

925
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: into a game and tank outwardly, but you know you

926
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: look the holes that this team has going forward and

927
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: trying to get back to what's most important to Joe Burrow,

928
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 2: which is the super Bowl window. You're I guess a

929
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 2: higher likelihood to get there if you can get better

930
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 2: players in the draft. Do you at all listen to

931
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 2: the other side of it of there is a point

932
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 2: to resting guys or making decisions on some guys down

933
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 2: the stretch in order to get a higher draft pick.

934
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 12: I think it's very nuanced. I think it's a hard

935
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 12: balancing act, and I think it's a case by case

936
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 12: basis for each individual player. And I guess we'll start

937
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 12: with Joe because that's going to be the most talked

938
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 12: about one here the rest of this week and then

939
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 12: going forward the final couple of weeks. I believe the

940
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 12: organization listens to Joe. We all know that. But I

941
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 12: also think the organization can't always just give Joe what

942
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 12: he wants. It's kind of a blank check thought that

943
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 12: if Joe wants to play, Joe's going to play. I

944
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 12: think it needs to be discussed and talked about and

945
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 12: strategized on a multi level level, and that being coaches,

946
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 12: front office, ownership, everybody has to be involved in this.

947
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 12: I do believe fundamentally at my core that if a

948
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 12: guy like Joe Burrow is paid the way he's played,

949
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 12: if you're paid to do something and you're able to

950
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 12: do it, you've got to show up and do it.

951
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 12: That's just part of life. You know, you get paid

952
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 12: a lot of money do the work. But it's more

953
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 12: nuanced than that. We get it. But I also think

954
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 12: it goes back to Joe in his happiness. And if

955
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 12: Joe's saying that he needs to be happy doing this,

956
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 12: I'm not sure Joe's going to be happy sitting on

957
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 12: the bench the final three weeks watching his team play football.

958
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 12: He works so hard to get back, and maybe the

959
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 12: motivation was to get back in time to help this

960
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 12: team make the kind of run they made last year.

961
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 12: Maybe it was just to get back because he misses

962
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 12: the game and loves playing. And if he misses the

963
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 12: game and loves playing, and that's what he always says.

964
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 12: I think you have to let the guy play. Considering

965
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 12: what he talked about last week, I mean, it would

966
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,720
Speaker 12: not be good for Joe's mental health to be sitting

967
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 12: on the bench and watching this if that's what he

968
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 12: truly wants is to play football. There there are case

969
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 12: by case basis throughout the organization. Maybe the t Higgins

970
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 12: conversation has had where he's had the bad concussion he

971
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 12: had in the home game and then went to Bolton

972
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 12: to Buffalo and was dinged up a couple of times

973
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 12: and missed the Baltimore game. Maybe there's a conversation about

974
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 12: him shutting it down for the rest of the year.

975
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 12: But as it goes with Joe Burrow, I think they

976
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 12: need to let him play, or at least for now,

977
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 12: have the plan to let him play. Considering where he

978
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 12: was last week and considering how hard he worked to

979
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 12: get back, I believe he'd pulled the rug out from

980
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 12: underneath him. It wouldn't do him good and mentally. So

981
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 12: if he wants to play, I think he should play,

982
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 12: and I think he should. I think he should play

983
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 12: because of how he's paid and and and that that's

984
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 12: part of his job, and he has to perform on

985
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 12: Sundays and if he's able, he should go. So I'm

986
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 12: in agreement they should play him, guys, But that could

987
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 12: change the week eighteen if it he's looking like he

988
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 12: did on Sunday.

989
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 4: Joe, you sit down with Zach Taylor every week, and

990
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 4: yesterday he said that he has a brick wall all

991
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 4: the way around him that kind of shields him from

992
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 4: the criticism. He doesn't see it, he doesn't hear it,

993
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 4: he doesn't pay attention to it. Do you believe that

994
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 4: when he says he doesn't hear the outside noise.

995
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,919
Speaker 12: I do believe it. I don't know necessarily if that's

996
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 12: healthy to not have a feeling of what's going on,

997
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 12: But I do know Zak has a pulse of what said,

998
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 12: what's being written about him and about the team. He

999
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 12: will famously tell you that he quote doesn't have the

1000
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 12: Internet on his phone, that he just makes uses it

1001
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 12: for calling and for texting and to get done when

1002
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 12: he has to get done. But yeah, he doesn't go

1003
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 12: on his phone and scroll and look through things. That

1004
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 12: one is something he'll say publicly, and I believe it

1005
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 12: to be true. I haven't looked at the man phone,

1006
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 12: but he'll often say that, but he's certainly very aware

1007
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 12: of what's said about him. He hears things on the field.

1008
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 12: How could you not hear something coming from the crowd.

1009
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 12: But I do believe it's probably one of those things

1010
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 12: that you have to have a healthy balance up, just

1011
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 12: like we talked about with with Burrow. The last question was,

1012
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 12: you know, trying to tinker and look at things for

1013
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 12: twenty twenty six and maybe sitting some players, but also

1014
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 12: pushing other players, maybe like a Shamar Stewart. You push

1015
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 12: him to get back on the field the final two

1016
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 12: weeks to have a better idea of what he's about.

1017
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 12: You keep pushing the rookies to see more of what

1018
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 12: they can and can't do. With Zach Taylor, it's you've

1019
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 12: got to isolate yourself otherwise it will drive you absolutely

1020
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 12: crazy the criticism. You guys work as well in the

1021
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 12: public light, and you know when you share thoughts or

1022
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 12: opinions or whether it's on Twitter or on the show,

1023
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 12: and you're going to get backlash and you see it,

1024
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 12: and how can it not bother you? Sometimes when you

1025
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 12: do see it. We're all human beings. So I think

1026
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 12: it's important for Zach to kind of have that, as

1027
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 12: he called it, a brick wall up to keep him

1028
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 12: insulated from everything that happens. I know there are things

1029
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 12: that bother him if people and he lives a public life.

1030
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 12: He has children, he has a wife that kids have

1031
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 12: sporting events, and it can bother him when people come

1032
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 12: after his family at those kinds of events. But for

1033
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 12: him to be able to isolate and insulate himself from

1034
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 12: all that stuff, I think that's really the only thing

1035
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 12: you can do as a football coach during times like this,

1036
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 12: And that's part of hazard pay that that's part of

1037
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 12: why you get paid as much as you get paid,

1038
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 12: is that you're going to live this public life and

1039
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 12: you're going to be criticized and people are going to

1040
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 12: come at you and say things, and that's part of it.

1041
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 12: He gets that, so I think it's important for him

1042
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 12: to understand the voice of the fan base, but also

1043
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 12: at the same time to properly do his job and

1044
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 12: not be distracted. He probably has to put up that

1045
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 12: quote unquote isolated brickwall to keep him away from what's

1046
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 12: being said.

1047
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 4: So, based off of what Paul Dayer Junior wrote today,

1048
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 4: it's more probable than not that Zach is going to

1049
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 4: be the head coach of the Bengals in twenty twenty six.

1050
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 4: If we assume that that's going to be the case,

1051
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 4: how do they fix what went wrong this year?

1052
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: What is the first step.

1053
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 12: They got to nail it in free agency and obviously

1054
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 12: the big decision that will be made on Trey Henderson

1055
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 12: And I don't know. It kind of feels like Trey

1056
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 12: poisoned the waters enough that the Bengals wouldn't even bother it.

1057
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 12: But you could franchise tag that and have the control

1058
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 12: of that asset again this coming offseason with Zach Taylor.

1059
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 12: And I want to make one point about this too,

1060
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 12: is you know, you know, we talked so much about

1061
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 12: it being a bottom line business, in a win business,

1062
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 12: and it hasn't been good enough. And Zak will tell

1063
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 12: you it hasn't been good enough. And this isn't going

1064
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 12: to be me going on a tangent to carry Zach

1065
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 12: Taylor's water. It's more or less an understanding of his

1066
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 12: place in the organization and why the Browns and the

1067
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 12: front office would want him to come back for another

1068
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 12: season given that he now has two years on his contract.

1069
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 12: And that was new information to me from Paul Danner

1070
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 12: Junior in his article today. But he's the voice of

1071
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 12: the organization and it's such a unique space in Cincinnati

1072
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 12: for the head coach and his responsibility to answer questions.

1073
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 12: He was taking questions yesterday about the lack of snow

1074
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 12: removal inside the stadium. I mean, the Brown family is

1075
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 12: comfortable with him being the voice. And if they're comfortable

1076
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 12: with that, that's a reason. That's the checkpoint. That's the

1077
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 12: check mark for why Zach Taylor will keep his job.

1078
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 12: If he ultimately keeps his job. The other would be

1079
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 12: we would go back to maybe Joe Burrow shouldn't always

1080
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 12: get his way, But his relationship with Zach Taylor is

1081
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 12: going to carry a lot of weight. He loves playing

1082
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 12: for Zaki, he loves zach scheme, and he needs publicly

1083
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 12: multiple times stumped for his head coach. So again, another

1084
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 12: thing that's going to carry weight for Zach Taylor's future.

1085
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 12: But if you're talking about them not making major changes,

1086
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 12: and if we were betting people, I think we would

1087
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 12: all bet right now that Zach Taylor and Duke Tobn

1088
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 12: are back on their seeing spots in this offseason and

1089
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 12: going towards next year. This isn't good enough. They'll tell

1090
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 12: you that, but just that's lip service. It's time to

1091
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 12: for change. It's time for something to change.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 12: You look at Chicago Bears and the change they made

1094
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 12: in their voice at coach and boom overnight, all of

1095
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 12: a sudden, they're a completely different team. And if that's

1096
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 12: not going to change, the Bengals have to hit in

1097
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 12: free agency. It can't be just try to draft and

1098
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 12: develop and see if we can put together a defense

1099
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 12: with young players, and then you go through this cycle

1100
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,959
Speaker 12: again of young players trying to figure it out next

1101
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 12: year and you waste another season and all of a sudden,

1102
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 12: Joe Burrow's thirty years old. So I think they have

1103
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 12: to nail it. They have to be aggressive in free agency.

1104
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 12: That is the only way for me to see this

1105
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 12: team get out of the rut they're in right now.

1106
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 12: The defense has to go from I don't want to

1107
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 12: do another offseason of just yet to league average that

1108
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,439
Speaker 12: is so tired in Cincinnati because I don't think league

1109
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 12: average is going to win a super Bowl. And if

1110
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 12: you're not playing for super Bowls, what are you playing for?

1111
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 12: And so they have to nail it in free agency.

1112
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 12: The first big decision will be what to do with

1113
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 12: Trey Henderson in that asset. And they have the money,

1114
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 12: they can do it. It's time to make some splashes

1115
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 12: and maybe go back to the twenty twenty one model

1116
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 12: and build this thing through free agency, even though they

1117
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 12: don't have the kind of flexibility they had then because

1118
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 12: of Joe and Jamore's contracts.

1119
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 2: On the defensive side of the ball, Joe, you know,

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01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: Austin mentioned earlier coming out of the bye week, outside

1121
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: of you know, the Finish and Buffalo, have you seen

1122
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 2: both defensive scheme changes and individual player development that do

1123
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 2: give you some hope and promise for some players on

1124
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: that side of the ball.

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Speaker 12: You can't see me now, but I'm kind of shrugging, like, yeah, sure,

1126
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 12: but yeah, sure, there's been some individual improvement. Certainly. I

1127
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 12: think the Bengalis can now rely on Miles Murphy in

1128
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 12: twenty twenty six as a contributor. I think they can

1129
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 12: now look at DJ Turner as their cornerback one. I

1130
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 12: think they can look at Joseph o'sai and say, Okay,

1131
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 12: maybe we consider bringing him back in twenty twenty six

1132
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 12: as an edge contributor. I think they've seen finally some

1133
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 12: flashes from Demetrius Knight, some playmaking to sack Lamar Jackson

1134
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 12: twice to get the interception on Banksgiving Night. They talk

1135
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 12: often about Barrett Carter now settling down in the pre

1136
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 12: snap and having a better understanding of where to be,

1137
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 12: what to do. I don't know if it's really translated

1138
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 12: in him to playing great football, but those are individuals

1139
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 12: who have shown things. And then also the individuals who

1140
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 12: have shown they can't do it that the Genostones of

1141
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 12: the world, And now we have more information on Cam

1142
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 12: Taylor Britt and they understand that they need help in

1143
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 12: the middle on the defensive line. So to me, it's

1144
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 12: just as much about seeing individuals who are ascending as

1145
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 12: much as it is seeing individuals who have descended into

1146
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 12: shouldn't be back in twenty twenty six, and allowing some

1147
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 12: of those guys to play a full season, you get

1148
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 12: a better read on what you have and what you

1149
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 12: don't have, And sometimes what you don't have is just

1150
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 12: as important because then you know what you have to

1151
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 12: address in the upcoming offseason.

1152
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 2: What do we have to address right now? Is what's

1153
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 2: coming up for Fox nineteen. What do you got coming

1154
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: up this week, Joe, last full week before the holidays

1155
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 2: are here next week? What do you got man?

1156
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 12: So we're going to run it back Wednesday night. Tomorrow night,

1157
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 12: we're giving Miles Murphy a second shot. Miles had a

1158
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:09,439
Speaker 12: pipe burst last week, a couple of hours before the show,

1159
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 12: so we had to cancel mad Joel, you can't drinkrit.

1160
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 12: Jeremy Row and I were sitting on stage trying to

1161
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 12: entertain a poor crowd for an hour when Miles couldn't

1162
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 12: make it. So Miles Murphy and then Jordan Battle guys.

1163
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 12: Jordan Battle predicted midweek he was going to intercept Lamar

1164
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 12: Jackson in the second quarter, and he intercepted Lamar Jackson

1165
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 12: in the second quarter. It's one of those fun storylines

1166
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 12: that you really can't talk about when the Bengals get

1167
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 12: shut out. So we'll talk about it tomorrow night, the

1168
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 12: Big Bengals Party. Bengals now live at Newport on the

1169
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 12: Levee at six o'clock. It is free, it is warm,

1170
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 12: get a chance to get some pictures and some autographs,

1171
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 12: and we do some fun storytelling with a couple of

1172
01:04:59,040 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 12: Cincinnati Bengals.

1173
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome stuff. Any holiday plans for you next week.

1174
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 12: I'm taking some time off work, guys.

1175
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 2: So Man, nice, yeah again, you're taking the family down

1176
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 2: to Memphis. Say again, Joey, what did you ask for

1177
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: for Christmas? Anything?

1178
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 12: No, I did not ask for anything. I was gonna

1179
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 12: ask you, guys, if this is a good presence I have,

1180
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 12: say again, I have three children, three boys who love

1181
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 12: the Cincinnati Bengals. Is getting them tickets to the Bengals

1182
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 12: and Cardinals a good gift?

1183
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 2: If Joe Burrow is playing, Yes, yes, I would say, so, Okay, okay.

1184
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 12: I was wondering about making them sit outside in the

1185
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 12: cold fourteen. It's not going to the playoffs, but two

1186
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 12: of them have never been.

1187
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 4: Oh wow, well they can't bring cardboard. Make sure they

1188
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 4: know that. Hopefully doesn't snow before that thing. Now, I

1189
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 4: couldn't believe it. When we were night at the entrance,

1190
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 4: I was like, really.

1191
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 12: I'm believable to put under your feet right to keep it?

1192
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1193
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 12: Yeah, wow tough. That's a bad beat, Audie.

1194
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 2: Bad beat.

1195
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 14: Hmm.

1196
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: I think it's a great gift, Danman. And if that

1197
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 2: doesn't work, we got a couple of bibbleheads for you.

1198
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 2: It's better than Gino Stone Jersey. That's for sure.

1199
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,560
Speaker 12: Oh yeah right, that'll last about what three more weeks?

1200
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:28,560
Speaker 2: Joe Daniman and family walking in Memphis for New Year's

1201
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: Day again, day again, the best. Yeah, Joe, I have

1202
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: a great one. That's Joe Daniman, Fox nineteen, always kind

1203
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 2: enough to join us on on Tuesday afternoons. Your talkbacks

1204
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: come next. ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

1205
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:52,360
Speaker 17: Hey, Alexa, dude's that hype for talking back that micropole

1206
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 17: and record a message Osi Coeper this.

1207
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 15: You better not be naughty.

1208
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 18: That's time for talkbacks. It's the most wonderful time of

1209
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 18: the show. Austin, Well you tie this very slow today

1210
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 18: and try not to sabotage.

1211
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,120
Speaker 2: Well, Merry Christmas. Indeed, let's get to the Tuesday edition

1212
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 2: of talkbacks. Thanks to our friends here at Cincy Shirts.

1213
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 2: Just love listening to those bells ring. You're so calming.

1214
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 5: Good morning everyone, love the show.

1215
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 8: Huge Bengals fan going to the Miami game this weekend.

1216
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 14: I just wanted to see if you guys could pass

1217
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:40,959
Speaker 14: a message.

1218
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 2: Along for me.

1219
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 12: Duke Tobin is a bomb.

1220
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,439
Speaker 14: Thanks you go, Duke.

1221
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: Sure Duke is listening right now, hell.

1222
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 9: Tony, Tony, this is evident even David with a moment

1223
01:07:55,560 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 9: of clarity. You see, Clifton is clearly the minor leagues.

1224
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 9: We are the training grounds for major college sports. We

1225
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 9: cannot compete under this broken system. We cannot act like

1226
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 9: Ohio State since we don't have the bank like Ohio State.

1227
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 9: We must rethink everything.

1228
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 2: Rethink it all, start from scratch. Hey, everybody.

1229
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 19: If anybody knows of a good therapist, feel free to

1230
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 19: share it on talkbacks because I've got a I got

1231
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 19: a hell of a case of Stockholm syndrome where I

1232
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 19: just can't stop caring about the Bengals even though they

1233
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 19: just abuse the hell out of me. Yeah, I still

1234
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 19: love them.

1235
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 2: Shoot, I wish.

1236
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 20: Our marriage is to be this strong in this country.

1237
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 2: Man.

1238
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 21: Sorry, honey, I did it again.

1239
01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 22: Hey guys, Marco from the grove, Nick Fraud, we need

1240
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 22: you to make a move, Oh boy, give us a reason.

1241
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 15: To talk about you.

1242
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 22: Because outside of this, at least Oddie has the buck.

1243
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 22: Guys still in the playoff. Me and Tony got nothing nothing.

1244
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,759
Speaker 22: We need to start talking about the Reds and any

1245
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 22: move that Fraud and the front office can make. Wow,

1246
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 22: let's get it done.

1247
01:09:23,280 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 5: One hundred days of hoping to.

1248
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 2: Nick Fraud Wow, I agree, though we need something.

1249
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's Greg.

1250
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 23: You know, a couple of years ago it was kind

1251
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 23: of suspicious that the Chiefs led their Todd Notch left

1252
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 23: tackle where Orlando Brown go. Well, I can tell you

1253
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 23: I just put a bow on the season Sunday after

1254
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 23: watching him again. Orlando Brown Junior.

1255
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 2: Stinks O Chiefs would take him right now in a heartbeat, though.

1256
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 5: Probably Hey Tony, Hey ELFs and it's the Lord Lordy.

1257
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 5: Have you two heard about this tre in her games?

1258
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 5: Have you looked into it? No, Tony, I think you

1259
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 5: should represent Cincinnati and Talkback Nation as a representative for

1260
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:12,000
Speaker 5: trainer games.

1261
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 4: If it requires something athletic. Tony doesn't have much of

1262
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 4: a shot. I don't know what trainer games is.

1263
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 22: But a congratulations to the Harangutang yes week, Lou Yeah,

1264
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:29,719
Speaker 22: BP and Reggie, don't call me Dion Sanders well deserve

1265
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:30,879
Speaker 22: reds Hall of Fame.

1266
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,439
Speaker 2: He said, don't call me Dion. Yeah, what's up?

1267
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 24: Guyspeakahunik Kentucky. With Paul D's report yesterday that Taylor's got

1268
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 24: two years left and he's going to be back, I

1269
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 24: mean I hate Taylor. I mean you all know I

1270
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 24: want him fired. More than anybody, and I've been on

1271
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 24: it for five years. But with that said, he's going

1272
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 24: to be here. All we can do is rally behind Taylor.

1273
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 24: All win for Taylor, All win for Taylor. I hope

1274
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 24: he wins. I hope he wins the Super Bowl next year.

1275
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 24: I'm turning my focus to get rid of west Miller.

1276
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 24: This guy's a clown. I'm even going to the Centa

1277
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 24: Center tomorrow to watch Xavier Creighton. But on my way

1278
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 24: down on the most stop a law Nick and Wilder. Get

1279
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 24: that chicken caesadilla. Boy, It's good, Okay, A lot of

1280
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 24: hey there.

1281
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 25: Two Tuesdays before Christmas, Tony and Austin. Tony, what was

1282
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 25: the best gift you ever got from a ball game?

1283
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 25: Did you ever get anything cool? Like an Xbox of

1284
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 25: a PlayStation? One of THEO and Austin inquiring minds would

1285
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,679
Speaker 25: like to know what kind of car did you get

1286
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:29,719
Speaker 25: from your parents?

1287
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: Oh? Go ahead, Tony. One of the bowl games. It

1288
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 2: was like it was like a Best Buy suite and

1289
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 2: you got a certain amount of money that you could

1290
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,120
Speaker 2: get whatever you wanted out a sweet and I got

1291
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 2: this awesome lazy boy recliner. Nice. You still have it

1292
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 2: all comfortable. I gave it to my parents. Oh what

1293
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 2: a guy. But that was nice, man.

1294
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 4: I was given a gifted a Kia Optima. The twenty

1295
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 4: fifteen Kia Optima had a remote start, had heated seats.

1296
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 4: It was like parents customize it a little bit. It

1297
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,560
Speaker 4: was cool as hell fire. It was totaled in a

1298
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 4: hit and run accident against me.

1299
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: Oh and but they'll never take those moments back.

1300
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 4: I missed that car every day, especially day like weeks

1301
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 4: like this week.

1302
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,560
Speaker 2: Phil, if you're listening, you need an idea for Christmas?

1303
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 4: It was Uh it was that remote start.

1304
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 2: That's big time. That's big time.

1305
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 12: Start one, bench one, cut one all right.

1306
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 26: Mike Brown's Christmas list money, blinders, ear muffs.

1307
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 2: I think anyone would always start money. I think this

1308
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,400
Speaker 2: time of the year everybody wants some money. Yeah, you'd

1309
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,719
Speaker 2: bench the ear muffs just because you got to be warm,

1310
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,080
Speaker 2: and then cut the blinders. I agree.

1311
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 4: I bought a I bought a shisty that when you

1312
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,480
Speaker 4: know it goes over your head and your mouth and everything. Yeah,

1313
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 4: that's been one of the best investments of my life.

1314
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 4: Nice and I've had it for three days.

1315
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 27: Hey, boys, ard to believe that going into the weekend,

1316
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,639
Speaker 27: I had the path, though it was a narrow going

1317
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 27: to the super Bowl, and coming out of the weekend,

1318
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 27: we're now looking for the pass. I think we can

1319
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 27: get the number one draft pick if the things play

1320
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 27: out right.

1321
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:26,600
Speaker 2: It's possible.

1322
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 27: Check me on the tie breakers, but I think we can.

1323
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 4: I think the Bengals can pick anywhere from one to sixteen.

1324
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 4: Why I saw that tank. If I saw that correctly

1325
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 4: from our guy Joe Goodberry, I'm pretty sure it's between

1326
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 4: one and sixteen.

1327
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 20: Tony Austin old man grumpy.

1328
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 2: Hey, I don't want to be a.

1329
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 3: One trick pony.

1330
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,719
Speaker 20: But what will it take for Zach Taylor and Duke

1331
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 20: Tobin to get fired? I don't understand losing games when

1332
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:03,520
Speaker 20: they score forty, quarterback losing eight and his ability and

1333
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 20: getting beat twenty four to nothing when the season's on

1334
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 20: the line. I just don't understand it.

1335
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 12: Enlighten me.

1336
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 2: The answer is nothing, as we talked earlier. Nothing. We'll

1337
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 2: change that.

1338
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 28: Kudos to Paul for the article, but the bottom line

1339
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 28: problem here is you could offer them seven billion dollars

1340
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 28: for a team worth six and they wouldn't take it.

1341
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 28: It's it's just all they know, and they're not going

1342
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 28: to build a house in Turks and caicos and drink

1343
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 28: umbrella drinks. And just as bad that the two youngsters

1344
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,480
Speaker 28: on the way up are learning from mom and grandpa.

1345
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 2: It seems like we're an inevitable loop here.

1346
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 29: Almost this guy's got it all figured out for next year.

1347
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 29: I think that they can probably just go zero to

1348
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 29: six and then just win the last ten games and

1349
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 29: go in there with a ten and six record.

1350
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 4: Well, they've all figured out to campire him now started.

1351
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 4: What about the other game?

1352
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 2: Still going to play seventeen?

1353
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 7: Hey Jeff Casey, here on your debate about should we

1354
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 7: try to win these games? Let Joe Burrow play or

1355
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 7: do we more a worry about draft pick placement. Losing

1356
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 7: is never good. Trust me, watching those teams all through

1357
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,840
Speaker 7: the nineties in the early two thousands, what all you

1358
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 7: had to root for was draft pick placement. It's not

1359
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 7: worth it. You can't let losing mindset in the building.

1360
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 2: You need to win. He needs to play, Okay, I agree?

1361
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 3: All right?

1362
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 30: Oh Reggie Sanders, Cincinnati read Hall of Famer.

1363
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 2: I love it. The guy who's struck out.

1364
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 30: Nineteen times during the playoffs nineteen ninety five. That's very exciting.

1365
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 30: Who's next, Bip Roberts? Oh, Pete, raise your hand if

1366
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 30: you're Surerick, I love it. You know what would have

1367
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 30: been even more exciting had the Red signed Kyle Schwarber.

1368
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 30: Did you know he was from Middletown? And did you

1369
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 30: know Joe Burrow is the exact same age as a.

1370
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 2: Man? Yeah, Robert Slander.

1371
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 4: Unfortunate that the Regie standers will always be remembered for

1372
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 4: the postseason, but his ninety five regular season was, I mean,

1373
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 4: one of the best in Red's history.

1374
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 31: As the screens get louder for change from the fan base,

1375
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:24,280
Speaker 31: do people like Caroline and Elizabeth who have a pulse

1376
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 31: on the fans, how are they inputting to the family?

1377
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 2: Do we think?

1378
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 31: And are they taking some of that into consideration? I

1379
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 31: Mike and Mike and Katie because they have to be

1380
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 31: listening to this somewhere, and how is that working behind

1381
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 31: the scenes.

1382
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 4: I can promise you that there is more consideration to

1383
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 4: the external view of the franchise than at any point

1384
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 4: in its history. I don't know that it has much weight.

1385
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 4: I would say it still carries very little weight, but

1386
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 4: I know that it is discussed and thought about more

1387
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,600
Speaker 4: than any other point yep in the history of the franchise.

1388
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 2: Question fellas. Okay, who do you start Fantasy Championship Week?

1389
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 12: Joe Burrow or Matthew Stafford.

1390
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 2: Oh that's tough.

1391
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 4: Adam's hurt, Nakua banged up in Seattle.

1392
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 2: But Joe Burrow just came off a game with zero points.

1393
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 2: I do believe that playing in Miami and coming off

1394
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: that performance, Burrow will at least to Burrow. I think

1395
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 2: I know we'll make it a point to bounce back

1396
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: in a big way. Might have to Leen Burrow. Is

1397
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 2: it a two week game. Oh, it's a good point.

1398
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 2: It's a two week game. I might go Burrow this week,

1399
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 2: Stafford next week.

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01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 32: Shout out to a really solid Cincinnati read Hall of

1401
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 32: Fame class, Brandon Phillips, who was an automatic shoe in

1402
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 32: lou Panilla, Aaron Harangue, and the very underrated Reggie Sanders.

1403
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,759
Speaker 32: Congratulations to Reggie Sanders, one of my favorite Reds players

1404
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 32: of all time.

1405
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 26: Yes, sir, will the Bengals signed some top tier free

1406
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 26: agents next year?

1407
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 15: Say again?

1408
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 26: Will the Bengals sign some top tier free agents next year?

1409
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 12: Say again?

1410
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 26: Will the Reds sign a power hitter by next year. Man,

1411
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 26: will the Reds sign a power hitter next season?

1412
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:32,799
Speaker 10: Again?

1413
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 2: Well done? Can I play Devil's advocate for a moment?

1414
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 2: Well done?

1415
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 4: Sure, Bengals fans wanted them to sign Dalton Reisner, they did.

1416
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 4: They wanted them to sign Noah Fan they did. They

1417
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 4: wanted them to sign Trey Hendrickson they did. They did

1418
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 4: also sign Lucas Patrick, although that clearly wasn't the best move,

1419
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 4: but they they beat tried to beef up that position,

1420
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 4: Like all of the free agents that I can think

1421
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 4: of that people really wanted them to sign in that

1422
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 4: back half leading into the season, they did, Right, Is

1423
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 4: there anyone like I'm sure?

1424
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like the riser thing came

1425
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 2: because all the other guys were taken because they didn't

1426
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 2: do anything fair.

1427
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,440
Speaker 4: Yes, and it was way late in the process. Yeah,

1428
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 4: availability I know there's some guys I'm missing, and I'm

1429
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 4: not saying that they couldn't have done more, but I

1430
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 4: do feel like that's kind of lost is they did

1431
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:37,719
Speaker 4: sign all those guys.

1432
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:44,759
Speaker 33: I'm probably too late, but Reggie Sanders, that's a blast

1433
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 33: from the past. Brandon Phillips, you asked me name how

1434
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 33: many second basemen were better defensively than Brandon Phillips. None

1435
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,759
Speaker 33: jumps to my mind. Zero shout out to Craig Bidja.

1436
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 33: He turned sixty yesterday. I had a phenomenal career. I

1437
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 33: think they said, pooh, Holtz only right handed hitter with

1438
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:04,560
Speaker 33: more doubles.

1439
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 2: Wow, that was pretty good. Matt Carpenter had a bunch

1440
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 2: of doubles one year. Yeah, he did fifty five in

1441
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 2: twenty and thirteen. Remember that Bizio three thousand hits, right,

1442
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,040
Speaker 2: just got right at the end of his career, got

1443
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 2: to three thousand Monster, I did could play Monster.

1444
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 21: Hey guys, Jeff and New Richmond, Happy Tuesday to you.

1445
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 21: I have not had a chance to read Paul's article yet.

1446
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 21: I'm hoping to do it later this afternoon. So this

1447
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 21: extension with Zach was this done years ago and we

1448
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 21: just didn't know about it? Or is this something that

1449
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 21: was just done recently thanks.

1450
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:47,839
Speaker 2: End of the twenty twenty two AFC Championships game season.

1451
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, so right at a year after signing another one,

1452
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 4: they gave him basically another extra year. So and we

1453
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 4: didn't know about it, and we rarely do when it

1454
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 4: comes to coaching. Cuntyesright that was our last week a

1455
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 4: break football NATI.

1456
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 2: More phone calls Scott Ciderfield mo Ager between now and

1457
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,839
Speaker 2: three o'clock since he three to sixty coach the Sidty shirts.

1458
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 2: He had fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station.

1459
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,679
Speaker 1: Man Troubled in the NATI, brought to you by butt

1460
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: Light on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the

1461
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals.

1462
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, little football in the NATI. Here,

1463
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 2: not a little Bengals in the NATI. But let's let's

1464
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,759
Speaker 2: go with this here, Austin, because as we get into

1465
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 2: this week, we dive a little bit deeper into the

1466
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:44,440
Speaker 2: college football bowl season, including the College Football Playoff now Wednesday,

1467
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 2: of course, the highly anticipated Staff DNA Cure Bowl between

1468
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 2: Old Dominion and South Florida. Of course, the sixty eight

1469
01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 2: Ventures Bowl Xbox Bowl that makes all that makes me

1470
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 2: want to throw up myrtle beach bawl. You think of

1471
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 2: anything I care about less, Union home, mortgage, gas, barriolle.

1472
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 2: That all leads up between tomorrow and Friday, And then

1473
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: you do get.

1474
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 4: If you didn't have to work, would you watch the

1475
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 4: Bearcats and the Liberty Bowl?

1476
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 2: Yes, just because it's usy. Yeah, I would still watch,

1477
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 2: although I don't thought the standard was hired. We'll hear

1478
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 2: from Scott Saderfield. I don't know at this point the

1479
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:19,839
Speaker 2: rate it's going if they'll have a team to play

1480
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 2: in that bowl game. But we'll dive into that.

1481
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 4: And are you familiarizing yourself at the bottom of the

1482
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 4: depth chart in preparation.

1483
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: A little bit? You gotta dive deep. But Friday night

1484
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: brings us the first college football playoff game. It's going

1485
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 2: to be in Norman, Oklahoma, Oklahoma and Alabama. Saturday you

1486
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 2: get Miami at Texas A and m TU Lane at

1487
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,799
Speaker 2: Old Miss, and then of course James Madison at Oregon.

1488
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 2: I don't think the Oregon and James Madison game will

1489
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 2: be close. That's a twenty one point spread. I don't

1490
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 2: see the Old Miss game being close. That's a seventeen

1491
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 2: and a half points spread.

1492
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 4: Which begs the question, because those games are gonna be

1493
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 4: going on at the same time, Tony as the NFL games,

1494
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 4: What are you gonna be?

1495
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 2: What do you watch? NFL? Okay? Also like the Old

1496
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 2: Miss t lame thing, Ole Miss beat them forty five

1497
01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,880
Speaker 2: to ten. This year, it's a rematch. Yeah, I am

1498
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 2: interested though, and I think the spreads speak volumes in

1499
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 2: those Texas A and m Miami, Oklahoma Alabama. Sure easily

1500
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,360
Speaker 2: the best first round games you're gonna have.

1501
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 4: The Saturday games in the NFL five pm Eagles at Commanders.

1502
01:23:33,640 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 4: Not like that's a great matchup either. No, and eight

1503
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,519
Speaker 4: twenty pm Packers Bears. Now that's a good one now

1504
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,760
Speaker 4: that I'm interested in. I mean, if Packers Bears are

1505
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 4: James Madison and Oregon, yeah, come on, I'm gonna take

1506
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 4: Packers Bears. But and this is obviously thinking through the

1507
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 4: lens of you can only watch one. It's twenty twenty five,

1508
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 4: you can watch both at once. We know how it works.

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01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 4: But I would I don't know that I'm all that

1510
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 4: excited for either one of those late games, but I

1511
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 4: am excited for Friday night and the noon games.

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01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:03,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what's crazy is the Friday night game

1513
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 2: you could still get in one hundred and seventy seven bucks?

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01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 2: Is it gonna snow there? I don't know, No, it

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01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 2: would be. It's gonna be fifty one at Oklahoma. Okay.

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01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 2: What is what is interesting though? If you look at

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01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 2: all these games Oregon right now that get in prices

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01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 2: eighty seven dollars. Old Miss Tulane three hundred and six,

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01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,879
Speaker 2: yeah a and m Miami to ninety six Oklahoma. Alabama

1520
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,360
Speaker 2: won seventy seven to go to those games.

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01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 4: So some of those bigger fan bases are probably saving

1522
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 4: their money in the event that they win to go

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01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 4: travel to one of those bowl games. Sure against one

1524
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 4: of the bye teams, but yeah, I mean schools like

1525
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 4: Old Miss, you know, they may never get back to

1526
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:41,839
Speaker 4: the playoff.

1527
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 2: Sure their direction they're going. But it is a quick

1528
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 2: reminder that the college football Playoff first round games happen

1529
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 2: this weekend.

1530
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 4: There's a lot of hype around that coach at Old Miss. Yeah,

1531
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 4: and I don't know anything about the guy.

1532
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 2: Well, we'll find out come comes out Saturday. So that's

1533
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 2: happening college basketball weekend. Austin mentioned NFL Saturday and Sunday.

1534
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:10,879
Speaker 2: A lot going on. We'll dive into the weekend schedule

1535
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,599
Speaker 2: as we move on this week. For now, we'll come

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01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 2: back after this break. We'll put a bow on our

1537
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:17,880
Speaker 2: number two. We'll talk some UC football to kick off

1538
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Speaker 2: our number three on this the Home of the Bengals,

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01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, The official home of the Cincinnati Bengals now

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Speaker 1: on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 2: Welcome back since e three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati

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01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 2: the shirts, they are now pass Often the deadline at

1546
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:05,960
Speaker 2: CINSI Sharks to get your holiday gifts shipped to arrive

1547
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 2: before Christmas. But you could still go into any of

1548
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 2: the two retail locations and whether it's there you need

1549
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 2: to have printed up right there, they can do it,

1550
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:18,759
Speaker 2: and you could still make a dent in that holiday

1551
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 2: shopping list that I'm sure many still have. What's your

1552
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:26,639
Speaker 2: holiday shopping list look like? Are you done every other? No?

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01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 4: I got to get they don't really count. But I

1554
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 4: got to get a couple of gift cards. Okay, I don't,

1555
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 4: but everything else is done.

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01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 34: No.

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01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 4: Only I don't know how to explain it, but there

1558
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 4: are certain people that you know, do things for me

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01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 4: throughout the year that I want to give them something,

1560
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 4: and a gift card I think is the best way

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01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 4: to like repay them for what they've done for me,

1562
01:26:56,200 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 4: if that makes any sense whatsoever. But yeah, I got

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01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 4: to get like two of those, but everything else is done.

1564
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 4: I just I went to the post office yesterday and

1565
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:06,639
Speaker 4: shipped out a box.

1566
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 2: Are you a wrapping those presence? Yeah? I love to

1567
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 2: wrap I sat down last night a couple to do tonight.

1568
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 2: I think I sat down last night for I think,

1569
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 2: like ten minutes. And normally, like my wife wraps the

1570
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 2: kids stuff, I wrap her stuff. We just kind of

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01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 2: do it on our own. I sat down and wrapped

1572
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 2: two presents in front of her last night, and you

1573
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 2: would have thought I did fifteen things wrong. The way

1574
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 2: I cut the paper, the way I folded the paper,

1575
01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:37,759
Speaker 2: the way I stuck on the uh the little sticker

1576
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 2: there for who it's two? Sure it was not an

1577
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 2: enjoyable experience.

1578
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:46,799
Speaker 4: I think, you know, I'm not perfect at wrapping presents.

1579
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 4: I'm never like all that good at it. By the

1580
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 4: time I get to like the third or the fourth one,

1581
01:27:51,320 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 4: I got it down. Yeah, but then I don't do

1582
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,400
Speaker 4: it again for a year. Yeah, so I forget how

1583
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 4: to do it. I still still were like I cut

1584
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 4: paper that I could buy. I like, what to me

1585
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 4: is cutting the paper? I like the imperfections in wrapping

1586
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 4: a present.

1587
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that, you know, I'm guilty of

1588
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 2: using too much tape. I do that too. I use

1589
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 2: too much tape.

1590
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 4: Well, when you don't do the folds and everything correctly, you.

1591
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 2: It's everywhere, and I do. I wish I could get

1592
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:23,759
Speaker 2: like pre cut normal sized box wrapping paper that's already done. Sure.

1593
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 2: I think cutting the wrapping paper is the worst part.

1594
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 2: I don't.

1595
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 4: I don't think about that at all. I think that's

1596
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 4: the easiest part.

1597
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 2: I dislike it. But it's not difficult. No, it's just

1598
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 2: it's just awkward for you. It's awkward, yeah, but it

1599
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 2: shouldn't be. You've got long arm cutting it. Does it

1600
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: get snagged? Are you cutting in a straight line? Do

1601
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 2: you not have the wrapping paper with the grid lines

1602
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:47,400
Speaker 2: on it? Yeah? So do you? Or do you not?

1603
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 2: I do? I'm just not. I'm just not great.

1604
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 4: And I wonder it was six for twelve. You can't

1605
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 4: line that up a couple drops. How are you expected

1606
01:28:55,240 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 4: to hit some O?

1607
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 2: It depends you know what are you cutting with the

1608
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 2: right hand cutting with the left? You're snagging anything. There's

1609
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 2: a lot that goes into this. What did you ask

1610
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:12,879
Speaker 2: for for Christmas? That's a good question, I asked, uh

1611
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:18,519
Speaker 2: asked for a PlayStation. I won't get that. What are

1612
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 2: you gonna what do you get enough time for that?

1613
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 2: That's that's what you want to join my maden listen.

1614
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 2: As soon as I asked for the PlayStation, that's what

1615
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 2: I was told. When do you get have time to

1616
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 2: play anything? So that got shot down. There was a

1617
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 2: point I thought, you have you seen those like glasses

1618
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 2: that like they're not prescription, but you wear them and

1619
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 2: they can like video stuff or you can ask the

1620
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 2: glasses stuff.

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01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 15: Yeah.

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01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,560
Speaker 4: Our our coworker, Tray wears them all the time. He

1623
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 4: takes pictures of me.

1624
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 2: I wanted to do that, and then she said the

1625
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 2: same thing. You'll never use that. You would get a

1626
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 2: lot of fun out of that. Yeah, I said, well,

1627
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: then don't ask me what I want. Yeah, then just

1628
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 2: get me gift cards. If you have getting me what

1629
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 2: I want, why would you ask give me a gift card?

1630
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:59,640
Speaker 2: Have you seen like those Aura ring things? Yeah? I

1631
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 2: thought of about that.

1632
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 4: Maybe you can pay for those with your hsas, you

1633
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 4: know really Yeah, okay, I didn't know that. They're expensive

1634
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 4: as hell, but you can from my understanding with if

1635
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 4: you have an HSA, you can pay for him with

1636
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:14,879
Speaker 4: the HSA.

1637
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 2: Well, we need to get to a break. I need

1638
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:19,880
Speaker 2: to look this up. Scott Saderfield what he had to

1639
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 2: say yesterday has a ring. Well we'll hear from that.

1640
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,760
Speaker 2: That data, we'll hear from Scott Saderfield. We'll also take

1641
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 2: some phone calls in hour number three as well. Five one, three, seven,

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1644
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1645
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1659
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Speaker 2: in our number three. It is Bowl preparation time for

1660
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 2: the University of Cincinnati. We'll spend some time tomorrow talking

1661
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 2: you see basketball, as they gave a midweek game that

1662
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:01,719
Speaker 2: happens tomorrow night at Fifth Third Arena. But for right now,

1663
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 2: let's spend a little time on the Liberty Bowl. Now,

1664
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:11,560
Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bearcats, they have been getting a constant,

1665
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 2: I would say, a steady flow of players that are

1666
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 2: opting out of the bowl game. I believe they just

1667
01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:24,040
Speaker 2: had a corner opt out today. Yesterday Brendan Sooresby opted out.

1668
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 2: The spread has gone from I think three and a

1669
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,640
Speaker 2: half at which had opened up, to already seven for

1670
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 2: that January second Liberty Bowl against Navy. The big question

1671
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,440
Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bearcats is who's going to play quarterback

1672
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 2: next year? Samage Jones will be on the roster. He's

1673
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:45,360
Speaker 2: been here. Folks are wondering, is it Samaje Jones, does

1674
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,960
Speaker 2: Scott Souderfield have to go into the portal. Who's going

1675
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,080
Speaker 2: to play quarterback in the Bowl? I believe it'll be

1676
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:53,080
Speaker 2: a little mix of Brady Lichtenberg and Samage Jones in

1677
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 2: the Bowl game. But I am in the belief that

1678
01:32:56,840 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 2: the Bearcats are going to have to hit the portal

1679
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:02,400
Speaker 2: to find their quarterback year, which is never an easy

1680
01:33:02,439 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 2: thing to do. Soorsby is gone, he's hitting the portal.

1681
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,639
Speaker 2: He's also waiting for his NFL grades to come back.

1682
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 2: There are things that would make you believe he could

1683
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:15,840
Speaker 2: be linked to Texas Tech. I know that's close to

1684
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,560
Speaker 2: his home. I know his girlfriend just committed there to

1685
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,799
Speaker 2: play volleyball. So there are a lot of things pointing

1686
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 2: to Texas Tech. Regardless of where Sworsby goes, They're not

1687
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 2: gonna have him for the Bowl game. They're not gonna

1688
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 2: have him for next year. I think Bowl game preparations

1689
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:32,720
Speaker 2: become even harder at this point. I think roster construction

1690
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: becomes even harder at this point. So with that in mind,

1691
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,680
Speaker 2: here is around nine ten minutes of what Scott Saderfield

1692
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 2: had to say in the open media portion following yesterday's

1693
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 2: bull practice after the news of Brendan Soorsby had also

1694
01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:48,400
Speaker 2: come out.

1695
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 35: Yeah, I mean, we've been been ongoing talks with him,

1696
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 35: you know, over the last couple weeks since our season's over,

1697
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:57,720
Speaker 35: you know, just talking over his family and trying to

1698
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 35: side on what it's best for his future obviously, as

1699
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 35: as all the guys that are throughout the country are doing

1700
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 35: that now, you know, and he just in his mind,

1701
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:09,559
Speaker 35: you know, he still doesn't know what any wanted to

1702
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:12,719
Speaker 35: do yet, whether he pursue the NFL, which he's gotten

1703
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 35: a lot of great feedback, still waiting for the you know,

1704
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:19,599
Speaker 35: the feedback straight on paper that they sent you from

1705
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 35: the NFL. Still waiting for that. But he's got a

1706
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 35: lot of good feedback through his agent on that. And

1707
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 35: then also as we all know, he's had a really

1708
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,360
Speaker 35: good year and he's gotten reached out to by law

1709
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 35: of schools and so and that's the nature of the

1710
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:35,040
Speaker 35: college football.

1711
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 15: World that we're living in right now.

1712
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 35: And you know, and he, you know, appreciate everything he's

1713
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 35: done for us in this program.

1714
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 15: Had an outstanding year.

1715
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:46,600
Speaker 35: I mean one touchdown shot of the school record for

1716
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 35: touchdowns and squad for.

1717
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 15: Four obviously played at a high level this year.

1718
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 35: Otherwise he would not be sought after like he is

1719
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 35: through in the NFL and colleges. So you know, and

1720
01:34:56,600 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 35: I think this is the case for for all college

1721
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 35: football players now days. And man, it's changed so much

1722
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:04,800
Speaker 35: just in the last three years. And people can say

1723
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 35: five years, ten years, but in the last two.

1724
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 15: Years it's even changed a lot. I think, you know,

1725
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 15: US coaches and US.

1726
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:13,720
Speaker 35: Programs, we have to be grateful for the time that

1727
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 35: we do have with even players that are on our

1728
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 35: team and which we are and then you know, at

1729
01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:20,519
Speaker 35: the end of the season, I feel like and where

1730
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 35: we are right now, you know, the adults in the

1731
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:23,719
Speaker 35: room have created all these rules.

1732
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:26,000
Speaker 15: Uh, these kids are.

1733
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 35: Looking at their situation individually and trying to figure out

1734
01:35:28,880 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 35: what's the best for me.

1735
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 15: And and that's the world that we're living.

1736
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,680
Speaker 35: In right now, and and and so we have to do,

1737
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:36,800
Speaker 35: as coaches, do the best we can to maneuver.

1738
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 15: This and and go through it. So but again, I

1739
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 15: appreciate everything that that Brendan and That's done for us

1740
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 15: in this program in the last two years. Could you

1741
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 15: have go.

1742
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:44,320
Speaker 3: Accorded to him?

1743
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 36: I mean that this is a eleve of the coaches

1744
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,839
Speaker 36: are going to run into when you have a good player,

1745
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 36: the videos up.

1746
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:57,360
Speaker 35: Yeah, yeah, there's there's programs out there that certainly can't

1747
01:35:57,360 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 35: afford players better than we can. And I think as

1748
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 35: you see, you know, there's a lot of quarterbacks in

1749
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 35: the poor right now.

1750
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:09,719
Speaker 15: You know, I think including some guys in our conference.

1751
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 35: You know, I've seen several guys in our conference that

1752
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:14,639
Speaker 35: are outstanding football players that are gotten in the portal

1753
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 35: as we've seen it in the SEC and you know,

1754
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 35: all over I think when the dust settles and you

1755
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 35: start seeing where some of these top quarterbacks, if they

1756
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:24,719
Speaker 35: play in college again this year, you see who's got.

1757
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 15: The money and because when when when.

1758
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 35: Quarterbacks play really well out there throughout the country, everybody

1759
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 35: that wants to compete for a national championship that has

1760
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:36,680
Speaker 35: those kind of funds, you're going to see where that's

1761
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 35: where those guys end up going.

1762
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 15: And you know, so to answer your question, probably not

1763
01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 15: you mentioned this is someone done.

1764
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 35: Yeah, this is an opportunity in exist an opportunity. This

1765
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 35: is a completely unique offense that we're facing. You know,

1766
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 35: they're out and they do a great job with what

1767
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 35: they do.

1768
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:04,760
Speaker 15: The quarterback is incredible, you.

1769
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 35: Know back in the back thousand yard rushing, I mean,

1770
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:08,360
Speaker 35: and he can throw the football. I mean I think

1771
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:12,560
Speaker 35: this year against who was the team he threw for

1772
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 35: three hundred and thirty yards against somebody this year and

1773
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 35: Memphis or air Force.

1774
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 15: Yeah, so, I mean he can certainly throw. I mean

1775
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 15: this is a so, yeah, we better tighten up.

1776
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 35: Coverage it here. You better put them all close to

1777
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 35: the line of scrimmage. Number one rushing offense in the country.

1778
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 35: He starts with their quarterback. He's outstanding back. Their offensive

1779
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:30,599
Speaker 35: line comes off the ball.

1780
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:31,320
Speaker 15: They play hard.

1781
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 35: Everybody's willing to block all the receivers and slot backs

1782
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:35,640
Speaker 35: they have.

1783
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:37,639
Speaker 15: They know what they're doing.

1784
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 3: The scheme.

1785
01:37:39,080 --> 01:37:40,760
Speaker 15: Man, if you don't fit right, then it's gonna be

1786
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 15: a big play.

1787
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 35: So yes, it's a completely different challenge that we have this.

1788
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 15: This game against the Ablecaby. They're outstanding what they do.

1789
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:50,799
Speaker 22: You mentioned obviously Brendan leaving in this trans quarter windows

1790
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 22: there any other guys we see maybe expect to maybe

1791
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 22: opt out of the bowl game.

1792
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 15: But once out here today, yeah, I really don't know.

1793
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 35: Until we we line up to start playing, we'll figure

1794
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,920
Speaker 35: out who we're playing with. And that's the day and

1795
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 35: age we're in right now. You know, I think things

1796
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 35: change over time too, I think with guys. So you know,

1797
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 35: we got some some of our guys that have been

1798
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:15,719
Speaker 35: deemedult you know, some guys that are not practicing right now.

1799
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,640
Speaker 35: So some of those guys remain to be seeing if

1800
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,640
Speaker 35: they're they're gonna be healthy enough to play. You know,

1801
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 35: as soon as we get closer, we'll probably have obviously

1802
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 35: a better idea on that strategy to.

1803
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 15: Getting your quarterback position the field next year.

1804
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 37: Yeah, obviously looking at that a on a similar kind

1805
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 37: of path for playing two two years ago, when we

1806
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 37: were trying to identify a guy who's maybe rising a timing.

1807
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:38,560
Speaker 3: In the profess.

1808
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,839
Speaker 15: You know, in a in a purper world, that'd be ideal.

1809
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 35: You know, I think, you know, for us obviously, trying

1810
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 35: to find the best player that could come in and

1811
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 35: help us win football games.

1812
01:38:47,720 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 15: And I thought Brendan was a great opportunity, a great

1813
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 15: chance to go win.

1814
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 9: You know.

1815
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 35: I thought, again we were one of the top offenses

1816
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 35: in efficiency this year, didn't have the ball very much,

1817
01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:00,200
Speaker 35: but we look at yards per play, rushing yards per play,

1818
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 35: you know, top ten in the country, and both of

1819
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 35: those categories took care of the football this year. Great

1820
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 35: on fourth down, Great in the red zone. So, I mean,

1821
01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:09,600
Speaker 35: we did a lot of great things offense. We a

1822
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 35: lot of it ran through our quarterback and so you know,

1823
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 35: if we can go get a player of.

1824
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:18,599
Speaker 15: That caliber again, that'd be idea. It's yeah, yeah, yep, yep.

1825
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 35: Looked to you and Somats both will we'll get reps

1826
01:39:21,320 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 35: in this game and they'll play, and they're they're excited.

1827
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:27,160
Speaker 35: They're excited for the opportunity. You know, both of those

1828
01:39:27,200 --> 01:39:29,600
Speaker 35: guys have been practicing well throughout the whole season, just

1829
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 35: had and played a whole lot, and so this is

1830
01:39:31,880 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 35: gonna be their opportunity to go out trying to make

1831
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:36,160
Speaker 35: some plays for us. And and so I'm excited about

1832
01:39:36,160 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 35: seeing what they can do, you know, and you know,

1833
01:39:38,200 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 35: excited about you know, some of our our wide outs

1834
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 35: and running backs to go see what they can do

1835
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 35: as well.

1836
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 15: Offensive line is eager and hungry to go play another

1837
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:45,719
Speaker 15: game together.

1838
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 35: So yes, exciting time for those guys and particularly two quarterbacks.

1839
01:39:49,960 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 37: I'm just sure talent staff kind of us obviously came

1840
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:57,320
Speaker 37: down to two of the key show numbers to promote

1841
01:39:57,439 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 37: yep yepes. It look like in terms tighline the field

1842
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:01,880
Speaker 37: of the spots with the.

1843
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 12: Transferort over there.

1844
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 35: Yeah, I mean, you know, happy for those guys. They

1845
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 35: did a great job for us for the three years.

1846
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:07,280
Speaker 15: They were here.

1847
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:11,639
Speaker 35: Talented young people, you know, and you know they deserve

1848
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 35: a move up. Great opportunity for them, and and so

1849
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 35: with them, nothing but the best. But we're already in

1850
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:18,799
Speaker 35: the process of getting get some guys.

1851
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 15: In here, and we all know it's it's go time

1852
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 15: right now and.

1853
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 35: Over the next three weeks, and so, uh, we'll have

1854
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 35: some guys in place here very soon to be able

1855
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:29,960
Speaker 35: to help us out and nag navigate this transfer.

1856
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,040
Speaker 15: For Joe's out here.

1857
01:40:31,120 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 20: Is that a good team?

1858
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 35: Yeah, I mean, you know, the guys are out here

1859
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:36,639
Speaker 35: on this field, is you know, obviously it's a good

1860
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:38,560
Speaker 35: sign whoever's out here that they're gonna be playing and

1861
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 35: be around. And so again, you know, we'll take it

1862
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:42,960
Speaker 35: day by day with some of these guys. As I

1863
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:44,600
Speaker 35: mentioned earlier, some of these guys you know, dealing with

1864
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:47,240
Speaker 35: some knack of injuries throughout the season, and uh, you know,

1865
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 35: we'll see how that progresses over the next couple of weeks.

1866
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:55,519
Speaker 37: Said still together and.

1867
01:40:55,680 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 35: Stay Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that you know,

1868
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 35: number one, great leadership from the guys up front really

1869
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 35: pleased with the way they played this season.

1870
01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:07,520
Speaker 15: All all all those guys.

1871
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:09,920
Speaker 35: They've had a good, you know, a couple of weeks

1872
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:12,240
Speaker 35: out here practicing and they're eager to play. And so yeah,

1873
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 35: absolutely lean on those guys. We on our leadership more,

1874
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,799
Speaker 35: I think more than anything. As I've mentioned before, Gavin

1875
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 35: one of the best leaders I've been around, and you know,

1876
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:20,639
Speaker 35: he holds all those guys together.

1877
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 15: So uh excited for him to go out and play

1878
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 15: one more time together.

1879
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 36: Do you like all these practices to navies go to

1880
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 36: unique situation where they I think they're gonna practice twice

1881
01:41:29,160 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 36: and then pick ten days off.

1882
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:34,559
Speaker 15: Yeah, come back. So yeah, they got to They just

1883
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:35,920
Speaker 15: played this weekend, you know.

1884
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:39,479
Speaker 35: And so for them, you know, and I think the

1885
01:41:39,479 --> 01:41:41,320
Speaker 35: way they practice their they get they're pretty physical.

1886
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:42,760
Speaker 15: The way they're practice is because of their nature of

1887
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:43,320
Speaker 15: their offense.

1888
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 35: And so you know, I'm sure their coach looking at hey,

1889
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:47,960
Speaker 35: we've got to have some time off for these guys

1890
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 35: and then and then come back to it. But you

1891
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 35: think about us, we played, we basically had a week off.

1892
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 35: We came back last week with a few practices. We're

1893
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 35: gonna have some practices this week, and then we're gonna

1894
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 35: give them a few days for Christmas as well, and

1895
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:00,759
Speaker 35: then when we get back after Christmas, it'll be basically

1896
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:01,519
Speaker 35: a game week.

1897
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 15: So yeah, I enjoyed these practices.

1898
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 35: You know, if they're not long, you know, we're not

1899
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 35: out here a ton, but but a lot of guys

1900
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:09,720
Speaker 35: getting reps and trying to get better, and you know

1901
01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 35: there's some good on good reps, which is good. So yeah,

1902
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:14,560
Speaker 35: I mean, we certainly want to take advantage of the

1903
01:42:14,640 --> 01:42:17,600
Speaker 35: these practices for he clover young guys. How many conversations

1904
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 35: with coach you yeah, oh yeah, you know, and and

1905
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:23,720
Speaker 35: Coach Brass spending time up there and work for Coach

1906
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 35: Monkey as well, you know, and I think every day

1907
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:29,040
Speaker 35: of the year Bras was saying, you know, they would

1908
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:30,720
Speaker 35: say go on and be Navy, like they did it

1909
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 35: every single day. So he actually wore a shirt the

1910
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 35: other day that's hit and beating Navy on it.

1911
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 15: Uh you know.

1912
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 35: So yeah, we're laying a lone on Coach Brass of

1913
01:42:38,520 --> 01:42:40,960
Speaker 35: what he remembers from playing Navy and how they went

1914
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 35: against those guys.

1915
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 13: Uh.

1916
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 35: So yeah, we'll we'll we'll give we'll give those guys

1917
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,240
Speaker 35: a call up up there an army and see if

1918
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 35: we can find anything out about them that we don't

1919
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 35: already know.

1920
01:42:50,760 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 2: All right, So there is a part of what Scott's

1921
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 2: Ouderfield had to say yesterday. Obviously, the the main thing

1922
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,599
Speaker 2: there is, you know, what I take away is how

1923
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:04,400
Speaker 2: the landscape of college sports is being operated in today's world,

1924
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:06,719
Speaker 2: you know. And I thought it was very honest stuff

1925
01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:10,640
Speaker 2: from Scott Sadderfield, you know, when blatantly asked, could you

1926
01:43:10,680 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 2: have afforded Brendan Soarsby to come back here? Probably not.

1927
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:16,320
Speaker 2: And that's not to say that U see is not

1928
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 2: very competitive in the money they're spending, but they are

1929
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 2: not at the top of what teams can spend. Certainly

1930
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 2: if you think of a school like Texas Tech and

1931
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 2: the money that they have available to go throw money

1932
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 2: out of Brendan Soarsby. Now you have to rely on

1933
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:32,400
Speaker 2: the department. Unfortunately, Austin, the scouting department for the Bearcats

1934
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:35,880
Speaker 2: has been ravaged by other teams as well. Other teams

1935
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 2: have made runs at personnel staff that the Bearcats have.

1936
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 2: So they're trying to fill the personnel department, which then

1937
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,680
Speaker 2: would help them identify better players in the portal and

1938
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:49,360
Speaker 2: I would assume go out and find a quarterback to

1939
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:52,280
Speaker 2: kind of feel where things are at right now for

1940
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bearcats getting ready for the Liberty Bowl. We

1941
01:43:56,439 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 2: will take a break when we come back for more

1942
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Speaker 2: phone calls five to one, three seven, four nine, fifteen thirty.

1943
01:44:02,840 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 2: We also uh have a little bit more on Joe

1944
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:07,080
Speaker 2: Burrow that I want to get to for the conversation

1945
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:09,639
Speaker 2: we have with Mo yesterday right here on ESPN fifteen

1946
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Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station thanks to Penn Station.

1947
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Speaker 1: From locker room whispers to stadium roars, He's got it all,

1948
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Speaker 1: Moeger Today at three pm on ESPN fifteen thirty.

1949
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Speaker 3: Hey, it's Moe.

1950
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Speaker 2: Welcome back since three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station,

1951
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Speaker 2: Phone lines five one, three seven, four nine, fifteen thirty.

1952
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:49,679
Speaker 2: And I want to have one more brief conversation before

1953
01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 2: we move on from at Austin on kind of where

1954
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:55,560
Speaker 2: the mental is right now for Joe Burrow. And I

1955
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:57,599
Speaker 2: think you can relate to the physical to it as well.

1956
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:03,240
Speaker 2: I think tomorrow will be very telling, you know what

1957
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow we get at the podium. He's scheduled to

1958
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 2: meet with the media tomorrow he's going to be the

1959
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 2: quarterback going forward. According to Zach Taylor, the the issues

1960
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,000
Speaker 2: that Joe Burrow is dealing with, and again I don't

1961
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 2: know what they are. It just feels like there's something

1962
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 2: based on his conversation last Wednesday with the media, based

1963
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:26,320
Speaker 2: on his play, I take into account what he had

1964
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:27,880
Speaker 2: to say after a game. It's one thing to make

1965
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:31,360
Speaker 2: bad throws. You just you're not on for whatever reason

1966
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 2: for a day. Maybe not as accurate to me. The

1967
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 2: telling mark for Joe Burrow was openly talking about missing reads,

1968
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:45,240
Speaker 2: missing checks, missing protections, things that he just doesn't do.

1969
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 2: And it's not like Baltimore was throwing something they've never

1970
01:45:49,400 --> 01:45:53,200
Speaker 2: seen at Joe Burrow. I think that's a key point

1971
01:45:53,240 --> 01:45:55,240
Speaker 2: of this as well. It's a division opponent, you know

1972
01:45:55,320 --> 01:46:01,559
Speaker 2: him very well. It just wasn't as mentally sharp from

1973
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:03,400
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, and I think that led to some of

1974
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:07,519
Speaker 2: the physical issues as well. And again I don't put

1975
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 2: it all on Joe Burrow's shoulders, but that's where I

1976
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:16,360
Speaker 2: wanted this conversation to go, is the shoulders of Joe Burrow.

1977
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 2: Because Moe brought up a point yesterday on the Tony

1978
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 2: and Moe Football show of you know, everyone just kind

1979
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 2: of goes with this assumption and says, well, Joe is

1980
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:35,840
Speaker 2: not Andrew Luck, Joe is not Carson Palmer. And I

1981
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:38,599
Speaker 2: thought MOS's point was very well taken of. No one

1982
01:46:38,720 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 2: knows that. You can assume that, you can hope that,

1983
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 2: but you don't really know that, And so in operating sense,

1984
01:46:49,400 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 2: if you're the Bengals, you have to operate with the

1985
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 2: sense that that would be a possibility. There were times,

1986
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure in his career no one thought Carson Palmer

1987
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:02,679
Speaker 2: would do what he did. There were times in which

1988
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 2: Andrew Lux's career where no one foresaw what he was

1989
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 2: going to do. And I'm not saying that's going to

1990
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:13,080
Speaker 2: be Joe Burrow, but I'm also I'm not naive enough

1991
01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 2: to say it can never happen. It could happen. I

1992
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 2: don't think it's likely, but if I were the Bengals

1993
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 2: going forward, I would operate in a sense to make

1994
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 2: sure it doesn't happen. And based on what we heard

1995
01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:31,919
Speaker 2: in Paul Danner Junior's article that Zach's not going anywhere,

1996
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:36,080
Speaker 2: Duke's not going anywhere, I think the main question goes

1997
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:38,280
Speaker 2: to the question we've asked today Austin. How can the

1998
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:41,760
Speaker 2: Bengals then get this better? How can it change for

1999
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 2: the better if those pieces are still going to be

2000
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:47,559
Speaker 2: in place? Because at the very core of it, here's

2001
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,040
Speaker 2: what I think is tough on Joe Burrow, and I

2002
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 2: can speak to this from playing the game, but not

2003
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 2: to the extent of Joe Burrow. I think Joe Burrow,

2004
01:47:57,960 --> 01:48:01,080
Speaker 2: more than anything, deep down inside, wants to win championships.

2005
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 2: He wants to win super Bowls. So I think the

2006
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 2: first question that Joe Burrow will ask himself as his

2007
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:11,920
Speaker 2: career continues on can I win a Super Bowl here?

2008
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 2: That's the main goal, It's the reason he plays the game.

2009
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 2: Can I win a Super Bowl here? And the second

2010
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 2: piece that would go into this, in my opinion, would

2011
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 2: be the question that Joe ask do I have to

2012
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:29,760
Speaker 2: be perfect for that to happen? Every single dame. I

2013
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 2: can't even begin to explain the mental load that it

2014
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:38,160
Speaker 2: puts on a player to know that they have to

2015
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 2: be perfect every time they take the field, not good,

2016
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 2: not great, perfect in order for this team to win.

2017
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:50,599
Speaker 2: The feeling is Joe has to be perfect. That is

2018
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:55,720
Speaker 2: mentally exhausting, and I'm sure for Joe as a competitor.

2019
01:48:56,360 --> 01:48:59,240
Speaker 2: He looks around. He could have been MVP of the league.

2020
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 2: Last year. His numbers were good enough, team didn't win

2021
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:06,360
Speaker 2: enough games, so he lost out on the chance to

2022
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:11,639
Speaker 2: be an MVP of the NFL. He's also watched other

2023
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:17,960
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and guys he's competing with changed that Lamar Mahomes, Allen,

2024
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 2: They've all won MVPs. Joe probably also sits back and

2025
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:26,439
Speaker 2: watches other quarterbacks not have the weight of the whole

2026
01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:29,960
Speaker 2: franchise on their shoulders. Seattle is viewed as one of

2027
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 2: the contenders for a Super Bowl, and Sam Donald has

2028
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 2: had games where he throws four interceptions. They're not tied

2029
01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:40,719
Speaker 2: to Sam Donald being elite. The Buffalo Bills have revamped

2030
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 2: a lot of their offense to center around James Cook

2031
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 2: despite having an MVP quarterback. You know what Patrick mahomes

2032
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:51,360
Speaker 2: track record has been. And I think if you're Joe Burrow,

2033
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:53,679
Speaker 2: there's probably a part of you that looks at Matthew Stafford.

2034
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:58,479
Speaker 2: It says, man, that super Bowl that was supposed to

2035
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:01,360
Speaker 2: be it for the Rams. They mortgaged everything to win

2036
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:04,639
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, and now you're sitting back watching Matthew

2037
01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:06,600
Speaker 2: Stafford in line to win an MVP and be a

2038
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 2: Super Bowl favorite. If I'm Joe Burrow and I'm competitive

2039
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 2: as all get out, I'm looking around the league and saying,

2040
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:16,960
Speaker 2: what is this? How is it working with everybody else?

2041
01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 2: So two questions that I think the Bengals have to

2042
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:24,799
Speaker 2: do a better job of answering for Joe Burrow. Yes,

2043
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,720
Speaker 2: you can win here. Here's how we're going to do it.

2044
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:30,720
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is, but the Bengals have

2045
01:50:30,760 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 2: to take steps to show Joe Burrow that you can

2046
01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:37,240
Speaker 2: win a super Bowl here. And number two, I think

2047
01:50:37,240 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 2: the Bengals have to make steps to show Joe Burrow

2048
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:41,919
Speaker 2: that they can win a super Bowl and be successful.

2049
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:43,439
Speaker 2: And he doesn't have to be perfect every time he

2050
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:46,479
Speaker 2: steps on the field, because right now, if he's not perfect,

2051
01:50:46,479 --> 01:50:49,280
Speaker 2: they can't win. And if he's less than that, they

2052
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:52,800
Speaker 2: surely can't win. You saw that on Sunday. You saw

2053
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:58,920
Speaker 2: that against Buffalo. Four touchdowns, great game, two mistakes, can't win.

2054
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:05,559
Speaker 2: It's mentally exhausting. It's my opinion that Joe operates with

2055
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:08,639
Speaker 2: those thoughts in mind, or will operate. Can I win

2056
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 2: it here? Can I win a Lombardi? And can I

2057
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:15,320
Speaker 2: do so not having to be perfect all the time,

2058
01:51:17,120 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 2: and now, Austin, I don't know how you do that

2059
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:22,400
Speaker 2: if it's just run it back with Zach, run it

2060
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:25,839
Speaker 2: back with Al, run it back with Duke. My biggest

2061
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:29,080
Speaker 2: question now between now and the start of next year. One,

2062
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 2: please get through these next three games. And two, how

2063
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:36,679
Speaker 2: is it going to be any different if the main

2064
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:41,760
Speaker 2: pieces at play are the same? What can they do

2065
01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:46,880
Speaker 2: to change their draft strategy? What can they do to

2066
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:50,280
Speaker 2: identify the free agents that they want to bring in? Austin.

2067
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:52,160
Speaker 2: I think one of the hardest points about this, and

2068
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:55,760
Speaker 2: you've made this point and rightfully so. You can't call

2069
01:51:55,800 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 2: the Bengals cheap anymore. They've spent money in free agency.

2070
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:05,599
Speaker 2: They've given the guarantees and contracts. They've re signed players

2071
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:08,400
Speaker 2: that they normally wouldn't do, so you can't just say

2072
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 2: it's the top of the organization. They've agreed to do

2073
01:52:10,920 --> 01:52:13,200
Speaker 2: a lot of that stuff. They've made concessions to who

2074
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:17,240
Speaker 2: they are, but they've not identified the talent correctly. They've

2075
01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 2: not paid the free agents. Outside of Trey Hendrickson and

2076
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 2: what he was, they've not hit splashes there and they've

2077
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:28,040
Speaker 2: failed in the draft. Austin, what gives you confidence right

2078
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 2: now that going into next year it can be different.

2079
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:33,680
Speaker 4: I don't have any confidence. I have no reason to

2080
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 4: have confidence. They've screwed it up for the last two years.

2081
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:41,280
Speaker 4: But your question is the question that will determine the

2082
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:45,559
Speaker 4: future of this franchise, because I've said it and I

2083
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:48,920
Speaker 4: believe it. If they screw this thing up with Burrow,

2084
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 4: they will do irreparable damage to their franchise. They've done

2085
01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 4: it before, and if they do it again, it would

2086
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:07,280
Speaker 4: be bad, just really really bad. And the problem, again,

2087
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:10,080
Speaker 4: has not been a lack of effort. It's been a

2088
01:53:10,160 --> 01:53:13,760
Speaker 4: lack of execution. So ultimately it's like, okay, so what

2089
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:17,520
Speaker 4: do you change. I think you could say this offseason

2090
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:19,559
Speaker 4: there was a bit of a lack of effort, effort

2091
01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:25,120
Speaker 4: and maybe not being as aggressive, and unfortunately, an excuse

2092
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:28,200
Speaker 4: is going to be used of getting the deals done

2093
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 4: with t and Jamar and Trey that led to them

2094
01:53:33,160 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 4: not being ready to go by the time free agency

2095
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 4: rolled around. I think it's a lame excuse. I think

2096
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 4: it's a stupid excuse and I don't tolerate it, but

2097
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:45,520
Speaker 4: I do think that's going to be the excuse. Yeah,

2098
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:48,800
Speaker 4: the question you ask is how we're going to have

2099
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:52,000
Speaker 4: to approach this offseason. What are they going to be

2100
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:55,439
Speaker 4: doing differently? If it's the same, it would be yeah,

2101
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:59,160
Speaker 4: and it will. And these would be great questions for

2102
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 4: Duke Tobin if if you ever had the guts to

2103
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 4: talk to us, But he doesn't, and you know, we'll

2104
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:07,120
Speaker 4: hear from him at the combine and I'm sure he'll say,

2105
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:10,960
Speaker 4: you know, Joe was hurt last year, and without that,

2106
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:13,719
Speaker 4: then you know, if Joe wasn't hurt, we probably feel

2107
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:15,760
Speaker 4: we feel pretty good about where we were at and

2108
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:18,160
Speaker 4: it win in some of those games, and we really

2109
01:54:18,200 --> 01:54:20,280
Speaker 4: developed at the back end of the defense. Blah blah,

2110
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:22,080
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. That's it's gonna be the same thing

2111
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 4: until you prove otherwise. This is your reputation. Yeah, and

2112
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:32,360
Speaker 4: I would love to know what their plan is and fixing.

2113
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:37,200
Speaker 2: It, you and me both, because I think there's a

2114
01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:42,200
Speaker 2: lot of people inside the organization, inside this team watching

2115
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:46,080
Speaker 2: what transpires. And again I go back to what most

2116
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:48,920
Speaker 2: said yesterday. You know, if next year at this time

2117
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 2: this team's ten and four, this isn't a question. If

2118
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:55,480
Speaker 2: next year at this time this team's four and six,

2119
01:54:56,640 --> 01:55:03,600
Speaker 2: or you know, four and ten again seven and seven.

2120
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:06,600
Speaker 2: I mean there are gonna be more questions. Winning will

2121
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:08,880
Speaker 2: change all of that. But how do you get to

2122
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 2: the winning on a year in which the AFC and

2123
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:14,760
Speaker 2: the AFC North was wide open and you're going to

2124
01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:18,960
Speaker 2: miss out completely? Let's take a break. Plenty more still

2125
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:21,400
Speaker 2: to go since E three to sixty thanks to Penn

2126
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 2: Station on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Tien Welcome back since

2127
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:36,240
Speaker 2: E three sixty thanks to Penn Station. Two day Tuesdays

2128
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:39,280
Speaker 2: at Penn Station go buy any sub, get a free

2129
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:43,560
Speaker 2: small sub every Tuesday following a Bengals game winner loss.

2130
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:47,800
Speaker 2: Go check them out at your local Pen station if

2131
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 2: you missed it earlier. This afternoon, four members have been

2132
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:54,960
Speaker 2: announced into the Reds Hall of Fame Class of twenty

2133
01:55:55,080 --> 01:56:01,040
Speaker 2: twenty six. Lou Panella, Sweet Lou, Reggie Sanders, Aaron Harang,

2134
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 2: and that dude BP Brandon Phillips. Your twenty twenty six

2135
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 2: Reds Hall of Fame class missed the news yesterday, Brendan

2136
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:16,160
Speaker 2: Swersby has hit the transfer portal. He is gone. Also

2137
01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:19,840
Speaker 2: a waiting word from the NFL, and according to Zach

2138
01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:24,400
Speaker 2: Taylor yesterday, Joe Burrow will play in the Reds Final

2139
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 2: three games this season Austin. There are four remaining free

2140
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:33,720
Speaker 2: agent hitters that are viewed as the top four free

2141
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:37,880
Speaker 2: agent hitters, Bobashett, Alex Bregman, Cody Bellinger and Kyle Tucker.

2142
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 2: How many of those four, not just one? How many

2143
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:42,720
Speaker 2: of those four do you think end up with the Reds? Zero? Okay?

2144
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 2: Do you foresee the Reds doing anything to make any

2145
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:49,320
Speaker 2: type of splash offensively? Yes?

2146
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:49,800
Speaker 13: No?

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Speaker 2: All right, so just run it back.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I said that in November. It's December now I

2149
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:00,680
Speaker 4: feel the same way.

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01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 2: Anything they could do to change that, what outside of

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01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:10,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I they could sign all those guys. I

2152
01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:14,760
Speaker 2: just can't go back through another see off season of

2153
01:57:14,840 --> 01:57:18,280
Speaker 2: just the bargain free agent signings. That's what they're gonna do, man.

2154
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:20,760
Speaker 2: I feel like we're gonna be there. Yep.

2155
01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:21,760
Speaker 3: Now.

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01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:26,720
Speaker 4: The craziest thing I guess would be trading Brady Singer.

2157
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:33,280
Speaker 4: That would open up I think eleven million dollars, which

2158
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:36,120
Speaker 4: if you add that on to the five to ten

2159
01:57:36,200 --> 01:57:39,560
Speaker 4: that they have, let's call it even, that's call it

2160
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:46,840
Speaker 4: a meet in the middle there, eighteen million total. I

2161
01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:49,320
Speaker 4: don't think they're gonna do it. I don't either. It's

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01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:52,480
Speaker 4: they still need pictures they in the bullpen. They haven't

2163
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:54,920
Speaker 4: signed any of those. I've seen several left handers over

2164
01:57:54,920 --> 01:57:58,600
Speaker 4: the last couple of days get traded or signed, and

2165
01:57:58,640 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 4: the Reds aren't doing anything.

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01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 2: So not fun. Jay is calling in.

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01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:10,120
Speaker 13: Hi Jay, Hey, Hi guys, my call. You know, just

2168
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:12,760
Speaker 13: from the outside looking in as far as Joe Burrows

2169
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:17,640
Speaker 13: that it's the outside noise starting to break him. He

2170
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:20,560
Speaker 13: used to be able to shield that, and now I

2171
01:58:20,640 --> 01:58:24,360
Speaker 13: guess for some reason the series like he's just breaking.

2172
01:58:25,240 --> 01:58:27,520
Speaker 13: Is the outside noise giving to the people saying he

2173
01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:30,640
Speaker 13: can't win the Super Bowl here and all this kind

2174
01:58:30,680 --> 01:58:34,280
Speaker 13: of stuff, and I think I'm thinking it's getting to him.

2175
01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:37,520
Speaker 13: And you got to look back to the Bengals also,

2176
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:41,200
Speaker 13: when they gave Burrow and Higgins and Chase all this money.

2177
01:58:41,560 --> 01:58:44,120
Speaker 13: You know they were gonna have to suffer somewhere and

2178
01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:47,360
Speaker 13: their defense is not gonna ever be the sent before

2179
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:51,600
Speaker 13: they lost Babes and the mothers say so, and I'm wondering,

2180
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:55,480
Speaker 13: you know, it's the outside noise starting to really break

2181
01:58:55,560 --> 01:58:58,440
Speaker 13: Joe Burrow down because he used to have a shield

2182
01:58:58,480 --> 01:58:59,640
Speaker 13: around where none.

2183
01:58:59,520 --> 01:58:59,880
Speaker 3: Of that man.

2184
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:05,040
Speaker 13: But my observation to wins my observation from looking at him.

2185
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:07,960
Speaker 13: Something is wilding him. I don't know if it's a

2186
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:10,880
Speaker 13: personal relationship or whatever, but he just seems like he

2187
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:14,440
Speaker 13: just broke down this year. Yeah, so that's all I

2188
01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:14,760
Speaker 13: have to.

2189
01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:17,600
Speaker 2: Say, Jay, I appreciate the phone call. You know, it's hard,

2190
01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:21,400
Speaker 2: Austin because we don't know what's going on in someone's

2191
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:22,040
Speaker 2: personal life.

2192
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:25,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's difficult because we don't know Joe Burrow. Yeah,

2193
01:59:25,680 --> 01:59:27,520
Speaker 4: I'm not going to act like I know Joe Burrow.

2194
01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:29,520
Speaker 4: I don't know what he's He's already a very hard

2195
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:32,320
Speaker 4: person to figure out. Yeah, he's a private guy. Is

2196
01:59:32,360 --> 01:59:34,800
Speaker 4: it possible that he is seeing and hearing some of

2197
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:35,240
Speaker 4: that stuff?

2198
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, he's also openly talked about his role as

2199
01:59:38,920 --> 01:59:41,240
Speaker 2: a leader and how that's not natural to him.

2200
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:43,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's also possible. None of this has anything to

2201
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:46,040
Speaker 4: do with football, correct. We just don't know, you know.

2202
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:49,520
Speaker 2: I think a lot of things weigh on on different folks.

2203
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:54,760
Speaker 2: I think the mental side from from playing football. I've

2204
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:56,520
Speaker 2: told people a lot of times I thought the mental

2205
01:59:56,560 --> 02:00:00,360
Speaker 2: side was harder than the physical side. Just it's it's

2206
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:03,680
Speaker 2: a grind, man, It's not for every person, And I'm

2207
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:05,560
Speaker 2: not saying that it's not for Joe Burrow, He's one

2208
02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:07,840
Speaker 2: of the best to do it. All I'm saying is

2209
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:11,839
Speaker 2: that mentally, there are times people go through tough times

2210
02:00:12,120 --> 02:00:15,160
Speaker 2: and sure, if it's off the field, a lot of

2211
02:00:15,160 --> 02:00:17,320
Speaker 2: people can shield that and once they get on the

2212
02:00:17,320 --> 02:00:19,480
Speaker 2: field they don't think about any of it. That's not

2213
02:00:19,560 --> 02:00:23,000
Speaker 2: as easy for some people. You know, we don't know

2214
02:00:23,080 --> 02:00:25,160
Speaker 2: what it is. I don't think it's the outside noise.

2215
02:00:26,440 --> 02:00:29,760
Speaker 2: I don't think Joe Burrow at the end of the

2216
02:00:29,840 --> 02:00:33,400
Speaker 2: day worries about what people say. I do think at

2217
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:37,320
Speaker 2: the end of the day, Joe Burrow worries about winning

2218
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:42,840
Speaker 2: and championships. And I think it's only fair to have

2219
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:45,760
Speaker 2: that internal conversation of can I ever do that here?

2220
02:00:47,400 --> 02:00:49,760
Speaker 2: And I think that goes back to Joe Burrow talking

2221
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:52,960
Speaker 2: about not having fun or if I'm going to continue

2222
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:54,920
Speaker 2: to do this. But Austin, you made the point as well,

2223
02:00:55,400 --> 02:00:58,920
Speaker 2: this doesn't just start last Wednesday. We saw a completely

2224
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 2: different Joe Burrow on Thingsanksgiving night in the postgame interview.

2225
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:03,920
Speaker 2: That was an emotional Joe Burrow.

2226
02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:06,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and at the time we look at it as well,

2227
02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:09,720
Speaker 4: you know, this emotional moment he came back early national

2228
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:12,640
Speaker 4: TV Thanksgiving dream come true, all of that, and maybe

2229
02:01:12,640 --> 02:01:16,320
Speaker 4: there's something more to it that we don't know. I'm

2230
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:19,200
Speaker 4: not gonna sit here and pretend to know Joe Burrow

2231
02:01:19,280 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 4: at all and what he's going through in his life.

2232
02:01:22,280 --> 02:01:26,760
Speaker 4: I do think to your point, the more I read

2233
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:30,280
Speaker 4: about it and the more I see the comments and

2234
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:34,240
Speaker 4: watch continually what happened a week ago yesterday in his

2235
02:01:34,280 --> 02:01:38,080
Speaker 4: press conference, the more I think he's just like, you know,

2236
02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:42,240
Speaker 4: we're not winning and I'm miserable because of it. How

2237
02:01:42,280 --> 02:01:44,920
Speaker 4: can I be able to do this at a high

2238
02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:49,960
Speaker 4: level and enjoy it when we're not playing for championships?

2239
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:50,280
Speaker 2: Correct?

2240
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Speaker 4: It could be that simple, or it could be as

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02:01:52,360 --> 02:01:54,840
Speaker 4: simple as whatever else is going on in his life.

2242
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:55,920
Speaker 2: Yep, I think.

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02:01:56,120 --> 02:01:59,040
Speaker 4: I really feel like this is the most overblown story

2244
02:01:59,080 --> 02:02:02,840
Speaker 4: of the season until this Sunday when he played poorly. Yeah,

2245
02:02:02,880 --> 02:02:05,280
Speaker 4: and now it's like, Okay, well, is this going to

2246
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:07,840
Speaker 4: leak into the last three games? Is he going to

2247
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:11,720
Speaker 4: leak into the offseason? And I think tomorrow, I cannot

2248
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:15,520
Speaker 4: wait for tomorrow and hopefully he can set the record

2249
02:02:15,560 --> 02:02:19,200
Speaker 4: straight or whatever has happened in his life has cleaned

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Speaker 4: up a little bit and he's ready to go.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but yep uh. We'll take our final break.

2252
02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:27,440
Speaker 2: Mulwagger's standing by. He's out at Oakley Greens today getting

2253
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:29,680
Speaker 2: ready to have a show. We'll catch up with what's

2254
02:02:29,720 --> 02:02:33,000
Speaker 2: on his show and so much more next on the

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Speaker 2: Home of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station WC.

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Speaker 1: Now, it's time for quick hits on Tony Pikes.

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02:02:43,000 --> 02:02:49,400
Speaker 2: Since here he was looking for Mo. Well, I think

2258
02:02:49,480 --> 02:02:53,040
Speaker 2: we have Mo. He's at Oakley Greens this afternoon for

2259
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:55,760
Speaker 2: the Mulagger show coming up right after this. He's joining

2260
02:02:55,800 --> 02:02:56,720
Speaker 2: us right now. What's up, Mo?

2261
02:02:57,840 --> 02:02:58,920
Speaker 3: Fills? How we doing Mo?

2262
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Speaker 2: How are you hanging in there?

2263
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:00,560
Speaker 10: Man?

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Speaker 34: I'm wonderful. I'm wonderful. We're at Oakley Greens. We're hanging out.

2265
02:03:03,960 --> 02:03:07,040
Speaker 34: The Christmas Holidays almost here. I don't know why I

2266
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:10,080
Speaker 34: called it the Christmas holiday. I like my Grandma, but

2267
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:13,800
Speaker 34: Christmas is almost here. We're in a festive mood. We're

2268
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:17,720
Speaker 34: excited to be here at Oakley Greens where tonight they

2269
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:20,880
Speaker 34: will be showing the game that I think the eyes

2270
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:22,360
Speaker 34: of the country is going to be on tonight in

2271
02:03:22,440 --> 02:03:25,720
Speaker 34: Las Vegas, huge Championship game of the NBA Cup.

2272
02:03:26,080 --> 02:03:28,360
Speaker 2: It will be massive. Do you have any big plans

2273
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:29,760
Speaker 2: for the NBA Cup Finals.

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Speaker 34: I'm running a cabana here at Oakley Greens. I will

2275
02:03:33,720 --> 02:03:34,839
Speaker 34: be sitting in it by myself.

2276
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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

2277
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Speaker 3: Yeah, what the only person in Cincinnati who cares?

2278
02:03:39,640 --> 02:03:41,080
Speaker 2: What do you have coming up on your on your

2279
02:03:41,120 --> 02:03:42,000
Speaker 2: show this afternoon?

2280
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Speaker 34: Paul Danner Junior and I are going to do a

2281
02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:46,680
Speaker 34: deep dive into this game on Sunday between the Bengals

2282
02:03:46,680 --> 02:03:47,240
Speaker 34: and Dolphins.

2283
02:03:47,320 --> 02:03:48,800
Speaker 3: Huge summer billing.

2284
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:50,680
Speaker 34: Is the game of the year, maybe the game of

2285
02:03:50,720 --> 02:03:54,480
Speaker 34: the decade in the NFL, and the Dolphins only just

2286
02:03:54,560 --> 02:03:57,360
Speaker 34: sort of just fan those flames with their performance.

2287
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:58,520
Speaker 3: Against the Steelers last night.

2288
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Speaker 34: So Paul's going to be to talk about a billion

2289
02:04:01,400 --> 02:04:04,720
Speaker 34: different Bengals related issues. Joe Burrow in his future may

2290
02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:07,200
Speaker 34: come up. He's also written a piece that I think

2291
02:04:07,240 --> 02:04:11,320
Speaker 34: if you're hoping for wholesale changes with the Cincinnati Bengals,

2292
02:04:11,480 --> 02:04:14,400
Speaker 34: is not going to put you in a festive holiday mood.

2293
02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:16,760
Speaker 34: Paul and I are going to talk about all that stuff.

2294
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:19,440
Speaker 34: I want to know what makes Joe Burrow different. I

2295
02:04:19,520 --> 02:04:21,800
Speaker 34: want to know makes what makes Joe Burrow different, And

2296
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:25,160
Speaker 34: I will explain that. Coming up in the four o'clock hour,

2297
02:04:25,240 --> 02:04:28,760
Speaker 34: we'll talk about the current state of UC basketball as

2298
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:30,920
Speaker 34: the Bearcats get set to play a game tomorrow that

2299
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Speaker 34: they should win and then a game that nobody's going

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Speaker 34: to give him a chance to win on Sunday against Clemson.

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Speaker 34: And I might do, I might do, and I don't

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Speaker 34: know might do because I've only done one one more

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02:04:43,960 --> 02:04:46,440
Speaker 34: segment on the Snow on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: Oh will see?

2305
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Speaker 2: Oh you know, I wonder what based on Paul's article today,

2306
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Speaker 2: MO you and I discussed yesterday the thoughts with Joe Burrow?

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Speaker 2: Can I win here in Cincinnati? Can I win without

2308
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:02,560
Speaker 2: having to be perfect every time I play? If I'm

2309
02:05:02,600 --> 02:05:05,760
Speaker 2: to believe that there won't be any major changes going forward,

2310
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:08,720
Speaker 2: how how can we expect it to be different? What

2311
02:05:09,400 --> 02:05:13,240
Speaker 2: is the path to anything changing based on what we've

2312
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:16,080
Speaker 2: seen that has not been good enough? How do you

2313
02:05:16,120 --> 02:05:17,960
Speaker 2: put your faith in something changing if they're going to

2314
02:05:18,040 --> 02:05:19,680
Speaker 2: run it back in a similar manner?

2315
02:05:20,120 --> 02:05:23,400
Speaker 34: I think change is gonna have to involve not firings,

2316
02:05:23,720 --> 02:05:26,680
Speaker 34: right Like, there's lots of different ways to change that

2317
02:05:26,720 --> 02:05:32,520
Speaker 34: don't exactly involve firings. But I don't think that's going

2318
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:35,360
Speaker 34: to satisfy anybody. Maybe it doesn't satisfy Joe Burrow, but

2319
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:37,880
Speaker 34: it feels like what's going to have to happen. And

2320
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Speaker 34: by the way, and Paul makes this point, there's three

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Speaker 34: more big data points here down the stretch, they play

2322
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Speaker 34: three more games. Yeah, and the Cincinnati Bengals have a

2323
02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:50,360
Speaker 34: history of making decisions or changing their mind because of

2324
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:54,040
Speaker 34: the outcome of late season games that otherwise don't matter.

2325
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Speaker 34: Don't ignore that. But I think that Joe is gonna

2326
02:05:59,080 --> 02:06:01,400
Speaker 34: have to be convinced, or maybe he won't need to

2327
02:06:01,400 --> 02:06:05,280
Speaker 34: be convinced. Then he'll just buy into same people. The

2328
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:07,720
Speaker 34: same people are going to do things differently and thus

2329
02:06:07,800 --> 02:06:12,080
Speaker 34: better or change could come from and they probably won't

2330
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Speaker 34: do this, but they add from outside, you know, they

2331
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:19,040
Speaker 34: add staff members who aren't on the sideline, they add

2332
02:06:19,080 --> 02:06:21,160
Speaker 34: to the fraud off. I mean, there's lots of different

2333
02:06:21,160 --> 02:06:23,880
Speaker 34: ways for this team to change. But my guess is

2334
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:28,240
Speaker 34: whatever those changes are are going to be met with

2335
02:06:29,320 --> 02:06:32,480
Speaker 34: a thud relative to the changes that everybody wants.

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Speaker 2: Red's Hall of Fame class for twenty twenty six, what

2337
02:06:37,240 --> 02:06:38,320
Speaker 2: were your initial thoughts?

2338
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Speaker 34: Well, in terms of the fan voting, voters got it right.

2339
02:06:43,480 --> 02:06:46,080
Speaker 34: It should have been Aaron Harangu and Brandon Phillips. Nothing

2340
02:06:46,080 --> 02:06:48,560
Speaker 34: against the other people on the ballot, who are all

2341
02:06:48,600 --> 02:06:51,920
Speaker 34: deserving a very strong consideration, and many won't go into

2342
02:06:51,960 --> 02:06:54,560
Speaker 34: the Hall of Fame. You know, the Brandon Phillips thing

2343
02:06:54,720 --> 02:06:56,800
Speaker 34: kind of got weird a little bit at the end,

2344
02:06:57,440 --> 02:07:00,600
Speaker 34: but dude, for a stretch, he was awesome. And I

2345
02:07:00,640 --> 02:07:02,360
Speaker 34: was thinking about this just a short while ago.

2346
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Speaker 3: Really the first.

2347
02:07:04,680 --> 02:07:08,200
Speaker 34: Social media baseball player we had here. I think Chad

2348
02:07:08,240 --> 02:07:13,320
Speaker 34: Johnson was the first social media athlete, but BP really

2349
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:16,400
Speaker 34: embraced it to his benefit, embraced it in a way

2350
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:19,880
Speaker 34: that enabled him to establish a connection with a lot

2351
02:07:19,880 --> 02:07:22,400
Speaker 34: of fans, and he was what the Reds got in

2352
02:07:22,440 --> 02:07:24,920
Speaker 34: one of the most lopsided and best trades the franchise

2353
02:07:25,320 --> 02:07:27,640
Speaker 34: has ever made. And you know that was a period

2354
02:07:27,640 --> 02:07:31,520
Speaker 34: of time where you know, they get Brandon and O six.

2355
02:07:31,560 --> 02:07:34,040
Speaker 34: The team was pretty good for much of the season

2356
02:07:34,080 --> 02:07:37,640
Speaker 34: that year, but like the twenty ten team, the twenty

2357
02:07:37,680 --> 02:07:40,600
Speaker 34: twelve team a lot of homegrown dudes, BP was the

2358
02:07:40,640 --> 02:07:43,880
Speaker 34: guy they got from outside and I think it is

2359
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:46,200
Speaker 34: the best defensive second baseman I've ever watched. I'm not

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Speaker 34: old enough to have seen Joe Morgan. He was marvelous

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Speaker 34: with the glove, certainly had a ton of accomplishments with

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Speaker 34: the bat. So I mean the moment he retired, you

2363
02:07:55,400 --> 02:07:57,720
Speaker 34: knew he was going to go in pretty much first ballot.

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Speaker 34: Aaron Harang was really really good for some not really

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Speaker 34: good teams. I never really thought about Reggie Sanders through

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Speaker 34: the filter of being a Hall of Famer, but I'll

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Speaker 34: certainly acknowledge the ninety five team, which I love, is

2368
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Speaker 34: one of my two or three favorite all time Reds teams.

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02:08:16,360 --> 02:08:19,200
Speaker 34: He was great that year. Unfortunately, all everybody remembers is

2370
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Speaker 34: all the strikeouts against the Atlanta Braves and lou Panella

2371
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:26,080
Speaker 34: going in is overdue. He was the only manager who

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Speaker 34: had won a World Series with the Red so I

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Speaker 34: believe is not in the Hall of Fame. That's going

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Speaker 34: to change this summer, and so it's a cool class.

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Speaker 34: Fans got it right, and I'm I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 34: Hall of Fame induction weekend.

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Speaker 2: For what it's worth, Brendan Swarzby's not going to play

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Speaker 2: in the Bowl Game. He's transferring out of the University

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02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:48,720
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati. They go up against Navy's top ranked rushing

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02:08:48,720 --> 02:08:50,600
Speaker 2: offense in the country. They also are going to do

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Speaker 2: it now. Mo cornerback coach Eddie Hicks is gone. Cornerback

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Speaker 2: Ermani Arnold, Willie Goodwin, Kay Stokes not playing, gone, Christian Harrison,

2383
02:08:59,600 --> 02:09:03,680
Speaker 2: Taytan Orange, Jekwan Sanks. It is an extremely thin secondary.

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Speaker 2: How how do the Bearcats find a path? I know

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Speaker 2: you've not gone far and breaking down parts of the

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Speaker 2: Liberty Bowl yet this is going to be a very,

2387
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Speaker 2: very tall task against Navy on January tewod.

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Speaker 34: I was gonna make a joke about you opting out

2389
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Speaker 34: of a bowl game, but that it's a good question.

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Speaker 34: You know, we talked about this yesterday, but Navy doesn't

2391
02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:33,520
Speaker 34: have opt outs. Those dudes from Navy aren't transferring. Nope,

2392
02:09:34,080 --> 02:09:36,160
Speaker 34: those guys from Navy like, all right, we're gonna go

2393
02:09:36,200 --> 02:09:38,160
Speaker 34: play a football game and be ready for it, and

2394
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Speaker 34: against pretty much anybody I think would have a bit

2395
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Speaker 34: of an advantage, Tony, I don't know. I mean, they

2396
02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:46,839
Speaker 34: were playing poorly down the stretch with all those dudes.

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Speaker 34: I mean they were those fours right games.

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Speaker 3: Call it what it is. They're playing poorly down the

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Speaker 3: stretch with all those guys, and.

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Speaker 2: They were getting gassed in the running game.

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02:09:53,680 --> 02:09:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were getting really beaten up on the ground.

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Speaker 34: I think the good news is they are going to

2403
02:09:58,360 --> 02:10:00,000
Speaker 34: have their whole offensive line for this game.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 34: So when you start with your offense and you start

2406
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Speaker 34: to decide, all right, here's how we're going to play

2407
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:09,400
Speaker 34: the game offensively, and here who here's who our quarterback

2408
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Speaker 34: is going to be. You could at least do it

2409
02:10:10,520 --> 02:10:12,960
Speaker 34: behind an offensive line that was really good from much

2410
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Speaker 34: of the season. But man, beyond that, dude, I don't know.

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02:10:18,080 --> 02:10:19,640
Speaker 34: I don't think it's going to be interesting to see

2412
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Speaker 34: what the coaching staff looks like. Sure, because Scott Sadderfield

2413
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:25,640
Speaker 34: is back. This has been a coaching staff that, for

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Speaker 34: the most part, handful of exceptions, has been pretty much

2415
02:10:29,120 --> 02:10:33,680
Speaker 34: intact in place that typically doesn't go year to year

2416
02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:35,880
Speaker 34: to year to year. Now, we saw even with Luke

2417
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:38,080
Speaker 34: Fickle down the stretch, you know, there were some guys

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02:10:38,080 --> 02:10:40,040
Speaker 34: who went and did some other things. Eddie Hicks is

2419
02:10:40,080 --> 02:10:40,760
Speaker 34: going to be one of them.

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Speaker 22: Here.

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Speaker 34: I wonder if that's if he's going to be the

2422
02:10:43,400 --> 02:10:46,040
Speaker 34: only defection. But yeah, I wonder what they're gonna put

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Speaker 34: on the field. And look, this is what a lot

2424
02:10:48,160 --> 02:10:50,560
Speaker 34: of programs deal with with these Bowl games. I think

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02:10:50,600 --> 02:10:53,960
Speaker 34: with Cincinnati it creates more of a disadvantage because specifically

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02:10:53,960 --> 02:10:54,640
Speaker 34: of who they play.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you're the man. Enjoy the show. More importantly, enjoy

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02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:02,320
Speaker 2: the NBA Cup. Are you getting nervous? Bring it home tonight.

2429
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Speaker 3: I didn't sleep last night. I didn't sleep last night.

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02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:05,760
Speaker 2: I get it.

2431
02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:09,520
Speaker 34: This is this is our chance for our first championship

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02:11:09,520 --> 02:11:14,680
Speaker 34: since nineteen seventy three. Man banner worthy, Well, the Milwaukee

2433
02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:15,320
Speaker 34: Bucks have one.

2434
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:17,040
Speaker 2: I think the NBA makes you hang a banner.

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Speaker 34: Okay, the NBA makes Yeah, the NBA made the Lakers

2436
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Speaker 34: and Bucks put one up.

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Speaker 2: The question is merch love it?

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Speaker 3: Merch?

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02:11:23,320 --> 02:11:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll work.

2440
02:11:23,960 --> 02:11:25,040
Speaker 3: I told my wife DNA.

2441
02:11:25,120 --> 02:11:27,040
Speaker 34: I'm like, look, it's it's kind of last minute. But

2442
02:11:27,120 --> 02:11:29,960
Speaker 34: if they win the NBA, I don't want NBA Cup finalists, merch.

2443
02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:32,360
Speaker 34: If they win the NBA Cup tonight, I wear an.

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02:11:32,400 --> 02:11:37,200
Speaker 2: Xcel Title champions Merch, have a great show, Jim, NBA.

2445
02:11:37,560 --> 02:11:39,960
Speaker 2: They're like a duce McBride jersey with a patch on it.

2446
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:42,560
Speaker 2: Perhaps just unfortunately is hurt right now. But all right,

2447
02:11:42,600 --> 02:11:45,680
Speaker 2: I'll get the duce McBride jersey with the NBA.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:47,960
Speaker 34: I don't know if there's going to be a parade.

2450
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:51,240
Speaker 34: I don't know how they celebrate this, but I'm planning

2451
02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:51,760
Speaker 34: on being there.

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02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:53,760
Speaker 2: Thanks Mom, I have a great one.

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02:11:53,800 --> 02:11:54,240
Speaker 3: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: That is a Mullager. The Mulwagger Show comes up next

2455
02:11:56,720 --> 02:12:00,200
Speaker 2: at Oakley Greens. Were done back at it again tomorrow borrow.

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Speaker 2: Until then, have a great rest of your Tuesday. Thanks

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