WEBVTT - Mike Florio on Hawks-Broncos, Darnold, NFL Tech, Walker-Shaheed, LA

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<v Speaker 3>It's our friend, Michael Florio. Mike, how are you, pal?

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<v Speaker 4>What's going on, buttholes?

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<v Speaker 3>Not much.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to chime in on the situation in Seattle

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<v Speaker 2>with the Seahawks? Big, big game tomorrow night versus Denver.

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<v Speaker 2>Three and two. Got guys banged up all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>Got beat by the Niners on Sunday. What do you

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<v Speaker 2>make of what's happening here in the Pacific Northwest, man?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, the Seahawks have that edge.

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<v Speaker 5>They had Connor Stallions at Denver Broncos training camp.

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<v Speaker 4>He was practicing filming. They're ready to go. They're ready

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<v Speaker 4>to go. Isn't it funny how that just disappeared?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because it was stupid, by the way.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, but it was great.

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<v Speaker 5>I wish it would have come out at the time.

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<v Speaker 5>In our business, that's the kind of stuff we like. But, hey,

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<v Speaker 5>the Seahawks need this one badly. I heard you saying

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<v Speaker 5>that beforehand. If you want to win the NFC West,

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<v Speaker 5>you get the 49ers at 5-0. The Rams have five

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<v Speaker 5>very winnable games on deck that they should win, and

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<v Speaker 5>that would move them to 7-3. You can't afford to

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<v Speaker 5>lose this one. And the Broncos can't afford to lose it.

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<v Speaker 5>This has playoff vibe because the loser is just going

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<v Speaker 5>to have a much tougher path. to the one seed

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<v Speaker 5>in their respective conferences.

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<v Speaker 4>Whoever loses is going to match their losses from last

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<v Speaker 4>year through six weeks.

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<v Speaker 5>So huge, huge game with significant consequences that will resonate

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<v Speaker 5>into January.

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<v Speaker 6>What did you learn about the Hawks from that game

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<v Speaker 6>on Sunday against the Niners? I mean, handing San Francisco

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<v Speaker 6>basically 21 points, losing by three. There's problems, but there's also,

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<v Speaker 6>I would think, reason for optimism, kind of like they

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<v Speaker 6>have optimism when they threw four interceptions and only lost

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<v Speaker 6>by two to the Rams last year.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, had the four turnovers, got the last one out

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<v Speaker 5>of the system on the first drive of the second half,

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<v Speaker 5>and then came back and.

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<v Speaker 4>Took the lead. So they respond well to adversity.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm a little concerned about some of this noise about

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<v Speaker 5>trying to speed up the clock for Sam Darnold, trying

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<v Speaker 5>to get him to make faster decisions, that players only

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<v Speaker 5>meeting from last week for the defense. I know it

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<v Speaker 5>was only about penalties, but that's always a troubling sign

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<v Speaker 5>early in the year. You know, the problem is, Sins

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<v Speaker 5>and I were talking about this the other day. When

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<v Speaker 5>you win a championship, sometimes this desire to try to

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<v Speaker 5>do more the next year, run it forward, want to

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<v Speaker 5>have a bigger year, Sam Darnold wants to go to

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<v Speaker 5>the next level, blah, blah.

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<v Speaker 4>What about just doing what you did last year?

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Because what you did.

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<v Speaker 5>Last year worked. We've perfected it. Let's just keep doing

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<v Speaker 5>what we did last year and let's do it better.

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<v Speaker 5>But you're bringing a new offensive coordinator and.

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<v Speaker 4>There's going to be some success.

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<v Speaker 5>Adjustment there's going to be some change and it's not

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<v Speaker 5>surprising that they've lost a couple of games early because

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<v Speaker 5>that is an adjustment look what happened the lines last

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<v Speaker 5>year after ben johnson left so we should have seen

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<v Speaker 5>that coming we get this idea that a team that

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<v Speaker 5>just won the super bowl is going to be very

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<v Speaker 5>very good even though the ramps kind of took some

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<v Speaker 5>of the spotlight in the offseason but it's an adjustment

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<v Speaker 5>and brian flurry five years ago was a quality control

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<v Speaker 5>coach with the 49ers that's the lowest level you can

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<v Speaker 5>get now hey great job he's worked his way up.

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<v Speaker 4>But There's a lot of learning that he's still doing

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<v Speaker 4>on the job, and I think that factors into maybe

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<v Speaker 4>some of the struggles.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike, do you get any sense– I know Mike Sando,

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<v Speaker 2>who you know, was on yesterday and said what a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people, I think, believe, that if the turnovers

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<v Speaker 2>continue to struggle for Darnold, that, hey, they might eventually

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<v Speaker 2>make a change and go back to Drew Locke, which,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously every coach has his breaking point with turnovers.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if Mike's there yet.

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<v Speaker 2>But do you have any sense on how much rope,

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<v Speaker 2>how much leash Darnold has to continue to make mistakes

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<v Speaker 2>here before they go back to Drew Locke?

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<v Speaker 4>I think it would have to be very, very bad

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<v Speaker 4>before they would pivot back.

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<v Speaker 3>To Drew Locke.

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<v Speaker 5>This guy came in last year and he won the

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<v Speaker 5>Super Bowl. And you didn't give him a new contract

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<v Speaker 5>after he won the Super Bowl. You got him on

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<v Speaker 5>a year-to-year arrangement. I think that it would have to

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<v Speaker 5>be glass gas. This thing is falling apart. And Drew

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<v Speaker 5>Locke is the only way to turn it around. That

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<v Speaker 5>would be the only way that anything like that would happen.

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<v Speaker 4>But look, there's accountability. And if you don't protect the ball.

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<v Speaker 5>that's when accountability comes home to roost we had bills

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<v Speaker 5>coach joe brady talking about that yesterday regarding james cook

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<v Speaker 5>who led the league in rushing last year he's putting

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<v Speaker 5>the ball on the ground too much and at some

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<v Speaker 5>point it's going to eat into your workload and with

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<v Speaker 5>the quarterback who's on the field every play it's not

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<v Speaker 5>like you can get in fewer snaps you don't split

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<v Speaker 5>the job between two guys it's all or nothing so

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<v Speaker 5>if he falls below the minimum level of performance then

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<v Speaker 5>I would assume everything's on the table.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think it would take.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot at this point because he's built up a

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<v Speaker 5>ton of equity, and you have to be damn sure

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<v Speaker 5>Drew Locke is going to come in and be significantly

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<v Speaker 5>better than Sam Darnold in lieu of letting this thing

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<v Speaker 5>work out. Because I think if you bench Sam Darnold,

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<v Speaker 5>then you've got to cut him after this year. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>he gets into that third year of the contract where

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<v Speaker 5>the cap number goes up, kind of like what Geno

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<v Speaker 5>Smith was in when they traded him. I think if

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<v Speaker 5>you bench him, you're going to have to let him

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<v Speaker 5>go after the season, whether you trade him or cut him. Yep.

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<v Speaker 6>Mike, we have Gene Steratore on the morning show on Mondays,

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<v Speaker 6>and he was talking about the Cooper Cup play, and

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<v Speaker 6>he thought, hey, maybe a play like that is a

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<v Speaker 6>reason to have a chip in the football. Do we

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<v Speaker 6>need a different camera angle or a chip in the

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<v Speaker 6>football for plays like that Cooper Cup sideline play that

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<v Speaker 6>ended up costing Seattle?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, I have no experience as an official

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<v Speaker 5>at the NFL level, so I'm probably not qualified to

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<v Speaker 5>chime in. But we said the same thing on PFT Live.

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<v Speaker 5>We saw the World Cup this past year. They would

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<v Speaker 5>have an image within seconds of a guy being– offside

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<v Speaker 5>by the whisker on the tip of his chin so

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<v Speaker 5>if you do full and complete digital mapping you know

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<v Speaker 5>where the ball is where the sideline is and where.

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<v Speaker 4>The line to gain is and you know whether.

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<v Speaker 5>Or not the ball got there before it crossed the

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<v Speaker 5>plane see that's the thing that confused a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>people because the ball made it past but the ball

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<v Speaker 5>is dead when it crosses the white stripe. So it's

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<v Speaker 5>where the ball is when it crossed the white stripe.

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<v Speaker 5>And the NFL needs to spend the money. They need

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<v Speaker 5>to apply the creativity and reimagine the officiating function. They're

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<v Speaker 5>still evolving a system that started with two sticks and

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<v Speaker 5>10 yards of chain and the naked eye.

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<v Speaker 4>And we know the naked eye is faulty.

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<v Speaker 5>They've already given up on the two sticks and the chain.

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<v Speaker 5>They need to fully embrace technology. The problem is the

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<v Speaker 5>NFL moves too slowly. They're so afraid of doing too

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<v Speaker 5>much and stumbling into unintended consequences that they don't move

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<v Speaker 5>fast enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, have you guys, you and Chris broached the Kenny Walker,

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<v Speaker 2>Rasheed Shaheed conversation in Seattle? I mean, you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>are arguing, you know, whether or not Kenny Walker wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be here. Is it a Rasheed versus K-9, the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of money they spent? But here you got a guy,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike and Kenny Walker, who might be the MVP of

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL right now. He's on pace for 370 carries,

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<v Speaker 2>which he's going to break if he does that. Rashid Shahid, meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>is making $ 17 million, and he's on pace for barely

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<v Speaker 2>over 40 touches. What do you make of just the

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<v Speaker 2>way that whole thing's worked out so far for the Seahawks?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's the market.

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<v Speaker 5>You look at the contracts that we're giving out to

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<v Speaker 5>the running backs this year, and if you look at

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<v Speaker 5>Rashid Shahid's contract, the value from signing is higher than

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<v Speaker 5>than the average per year from signing of both Dijon

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<v Speaker 5>Robinson and Jameer Gibbs.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow. And it's receiver versus running back.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, when Robinson and Gibbs were up for their contracts,

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<v Speaker 5>I was saying nothing against JSN.

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<v Speaker 4>He's a phenomenal player, but $ 42.

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<v Speaker 5>5 million for him versus– $ 22 million.

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<v Speaker 4>For Gibbs or Robinson, it's a no-brainer. It's not even close.

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<v Speaker 4>The problem is this, and this is a very.

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<v Speaker 5>Basic dilemma that teams face, because of the nature of

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<v Speaker 5>the position, the inevitability of injury, they don't want to

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<v Speaker 5>carry a significant injury risk on a major contract. And

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<v Speaker 5>that's the thing with Kenneth Walker III, and I think

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<v Speaker 5>that's the reason why they decided to move on. Durability

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<v Speaker 5>is a question. He caught lightning in a bottle at

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<v Speaker 5>the end of the season after Zach Charbonnet got injured.

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<v Speaker 5>with a serious ACL tear, and Walker came in and

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<v Speaker 5>he took full advantage of it, and he's carried it

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<v Speaker 5>into this year. But they keep pounding him, and they

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<v Speaker 5>keep pounding him. Every time he runs that ball into

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<v Speaker 5>the line, there's a chance that he's going to get injured.

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<v Speaker 5>And I don't want to put the Malochio on him

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<v Speaker 5>by saying that, but it's obvious.

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<v Speaker 4>We know that. We know what the running back position is.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's the thing to keep in mind.

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<v Speaker 5>And, hey, if you're paying Shaheed more than Gibbs and

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<v Speaker 5>Robinson or Megan– Well, I don't want to put him

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<v Speaker 5>back in the backfield somewhere. That run against the Chargers

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<v Speaker 5>was the thing of beauty. And he was talking about

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<v Speaker 5>last week when he was.

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<v Speaker 4>At Weber State.

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<v Speaker 5>He went from running back to receiver, and he's still

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<v Speaker 5>learning the receiver position.

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<v Speaker 4>He still knows the running back position.

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<v Speaker 5>I know he doesn't have the kind of bulk that

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<v Speaker 5>would allow running in between the tackles on a regular basis. But, hell,

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<v Speaker 5>you can't hurt him if you can't hit him, and

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<v Speaker 5>you can't hit him if you can't touch him.

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<v Speaker 6>And with what K-Dub is doing and Bijan and Gibbs,

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<v Speaker 6>is this finally the year that there's a legitimate chance

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<v Speaker 6>that a non-quarterback could win the MVP for the first

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<v Speaker 6>time in 14 years?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Adrian Peterson was the last one to take it

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<v Speaker 5>from Peyton Manning with a strong finish to the 2012

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<v Speaker 5>season where he nearly broke the Eric Dickerson single season record.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think the running backs need to be taken

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<v Speaker 5>more seriously. You look at what Robinson can do. He

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<v Speaker 5>even had a big game the other night, despite the

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<v Speaker 5>fact that the Falcons lost to the Ravens, what Walker's

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<v Speaker 5>doing with Kansas City Chiefs. It has become a default

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<v Speaker 5>best quarterback slash on the best team award. And I

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<v Speaker 5>think we all need to take a closer look at

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<v Speaker 5>what it should be. And you look at the definition,

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<v Speaker 5>the team, the player whose performance is most valuable to

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<v Speaker 5>his team. That's the definition the AP gives. And I

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<v Speaker 5>got one of the votes and I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 5>let myself just say, well, let's pick one of the

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<v Speaker 5>quarterbacks from the top seed in the AFC or the NFC.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike, before you go, the LA Chargers are staring 0-8

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<v Speaker 2>right in the kisser, maybe even 0-9 with this schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>Will the LA Chargers win a game before Halloween? Do

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<v Speaker 2>they win a game before Thanksgiving? And How shocked are

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<v Speaker 2>you to see Jim Harbaugh struggling like this?

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<v Speaker 5>I think the key is will they win a game

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<v Speaker 5>before Sunday night because they enter their bye after this

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<v Speaker 5>game that's coming up at Kansas City.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know what ownership's going to do.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know whether Harbaugh would fire Mike McDaniel, the

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<v Speaker 5>offensive coordinator. There's been some chatter to that effect that

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<v Speaker 5>maybe Adam Gates, the former Dolphins and Jets head coach,

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<v Speaker 5>would take over as offensive coordinator in an effort to

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<v Speaker 5>turn this thing around.

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<v Speaker 4>But it clearly isn't working. And one of the things

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<v Speaker 4>I said very early on, based on what.

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<v Speaker 5>I know independently, I've never been around them together, but

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<v Speaker 5>what I know of Mike McDaniel, what I know of

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<v Speaker 5>Justin Herbert, I got a feeling Justin Herbert, isn't a

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<v Speaker 5>big Mike McDaniel fan because Herbert's kind of quiet, reserved,

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't say much.

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<v Speaker 4>McDaniel, you ask him what time it is and you

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<v Speaker 4>get a 15 minute answer. So, and I love the style.

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<v Speaker 5>He's very different, but after a while you get, all right,

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<v Speaker 5>come on, we got to make this a little more

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<v Speaker 5>concise and we got to get down to business.

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<v Speaker 4>So something's not clicking there. Herbert's regressed. The team is

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<v Speaker 4>horrible right now. And they were expected to be much better.

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<v Speaker 4>This isn't like the Titans at 0-5. We're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>what did we expect?

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<v Speaker 5>This is a team that would have been far more

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<v Speaker 5>likely to be 5-0 at this point than 0-5.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike, great stuff as always. And again, we hope you

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy it as much as we do. So we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>in a week.

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<v Speaker 4>See you, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>See you, bud. Mike Florio with us on the radio. No,

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<v Speaker 3>that was good. Good to go. He's got to be

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<v Speaker 3>in a great mood. I mean, there's no other explanation

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<v Speaker 3>for it. I think he just got done with a run.

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<v Speaker 6>It was at the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>It did sound like he was on the treadmill, right?

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're lucky he wasn't on the treadmill while he

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