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Speaker 1: Jake Plumber joining us here on the Kwai Commas for

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Speaker 1: a Hell's hotline. What's up, Jake? How are you?

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Speaker 2: Man? Hey, I'm doing good and I'm enjoying enjoying life,

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Speaker 2: and uh, you know, the Broncos were winning, so I

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Speaker 2: think everybody's enjoying life a little bit more than normal.

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Speaker 2: So a holy back roll, a holy basil, as long

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Speaker 2: as it's not a holy feet, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: No doubt, man, No doubt. Hey, A couple of things.

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Speaker 3: First of all, Rick Lewis, who does the color for

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Speaker 3: the Broncos, wanted to give you a shout out, or

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Speaker 3: wanted me to shout you out, said go Devils.

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Speaker 1: He texted me that a moment ago, So there you go, Rick, Man, I.

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Speaker 2: Need to go. They got a tough They had a

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Speaker 2: tough loss this weekend, so yeah, Houston, but you know,

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Speaker 2: you win some, you lose some. Their quarterback is dynamite though,

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Speaker 2: that's Sam Levitt, and uh oh yeah, you know when

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Speaker 2: he go. He wasn't able to play most of some

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Speaker 2: of the game and missed the end of it, and

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Speaker 2: it's just they're a different team without him. So no doubt,

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Speaker 2: no doubt, and hope we get healthy. But yeah, go

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Speaker 2: devils is.

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Speaker 1: Right, That's right.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing is I wanted to just say,

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Speaker 3: hey man, we have Nate Jackson to studio on front.

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Speaker 3: You guys were doing a really really good job on

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Speaker 3: Gorilla with those breakdowns.

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Speaker 1: Man, I've really enjoyed those.

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Speaker 2: Right man. I appreciate it, and you know, we're having

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Speaker 2: fun giving a spin that we feel that, you know,

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Speaker 2: we can bring with our knowledge, and also looking for sponsors.

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Speaker 2: So everybody listening out there give it a shot.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, that's great. You take the shot when you

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Speaker 1: can get it, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: Well we're excited to excited to shot with you. You're right,

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Speaker 3: Broncos are winning. The city is always in a better

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Speaker 3: mood overall when the Broncos are good and the Broncos

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Speaker 3: are winning, And you want to talk to you a

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Speaker 3: little bit about Bow and get your perspective on his

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Speaker 3: growth this year. I think a lot of Broncos fans

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Speaker 3: are wondering this performance from Bow, the four touchdowns and

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Speaker 3: just overall how the offense functioned.

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Speaker 1: Was that because of how Dallas's.

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Speaker 3: Defense is struggling as much as it is, or is

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Speaker 3: this a sign of a pretty significant step forward for

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Speaker 3: bow What do you think.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a step forward. I mean, I've kind

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Speaker 2: of just gone away from feeling like, you know, hey,

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Speaker 2: that's to the defense and all the secondary for Dallas

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Speaker 2: was down. Yeah, you know, they were definitely not the

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Speaker 2: same not the same defense they were at the beginning

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Speaker 2: of the year, and it showed. But what I look

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Speaker 2: on a more consistent basis, you know, mostly like setting

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Speaker 2: He's dropping dimes. I mean, the kids has shown us

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Speaker 2: that he's got the arm, strength and talent to make

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Speaker 2: any throw that the offense requires that Sean Payton's asking

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Speaker 2: him to do. And that's what I look for, you know,

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Speaker 2: opponent aside. You know, yeah, there's gonna be some tough opponents,

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Speaker 2: but when you can make those throws against any opponent,

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Speaker 2: not only yourself but the guys around you. And that's

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Speaker 2: what these young kids stepping up because as the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to have one or two guys, but

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Speaker 2: And Bo's definitely a catalyst there, and he's improven each week.

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Speaker 1: I think it's really well said. What have you thought

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Speaker 3: It seemed like earlier in the year he listen, i'd

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Speaker 2: You know, you got to set your depth on your drop,

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Speaker 2: saw that a few times where he moved too fast,

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Speaker 2: that were seeing him. Now he's he's remaining patient and

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Speaker 2: from from most of every other quarterback in the league. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the guys are making throws all around the league. Our

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Speaker 2: And then put his legs to work and now he's

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Speaker 2: But it's fun to watch him evolve. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: he's going to be himself and build his own legacy. Here.

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Speaker 2: I'm just enjoying watching it, as I hope a lot

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Speaker 2: all signs point to him, you know, having the weapons

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Speaker 2: You know, unless you face some really really tough defense,

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Speaker 2: That confidence they build in a game like last week,

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Speaker 2: you know that that helps throughout the whole year.

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Speaker 1: Jake Plumber joining us here.

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Speaker 3: I know you guys did a breakdown on this, but

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Speaker 3: somebody had texted a little bit bit ago wanted to

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Speaker 3: ask about the batted balls because he did have a

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Speaker 3: tough game against the Giants with the batted passes. It

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Speaker 1: What are you noticing with the batted passes of the line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there was a big improvement on that.

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Speaker 2: Last week. We didn't see and know if we had

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Speaker 2: any of them with my recollection and he uses his

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Speaker 2: see where you're looking. Mostly they're looking at where helmet

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Speaker 2: just salivating waiting. If they get to him, great, If

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Speaker 2: Plus it's arm angle. Not every throw is made how

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Speaker 2: He can make any throw. Like you know, Mahomes came

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Speaker 2: he will if he has to. But the batted balls

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Speaker 2: it's because you're telling them where you're going, no.

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Speaker 1: Doubt about that.

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Speaker 3: Now you say you can make any throw, but maybe

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean whatever that was, you know,

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Speaker 2: of those like it was that Bo's fault. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the receiver was supposed to hook, if the defender

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Speaker 2: We don't really know. You know, that's where those those

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Speaker 2: maybe that receiver didn't get his depth. So it's not

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Speaker 2: So doing the confidence builder for sure.

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Speaker 3: All right, So this is the last one for you,

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Speaker 2: I'm making a potato soup for my Kiddo's nice some

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, listen, don't don't let it burn for the kids.

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Speaker 3: By by all means, if you need to, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's always there's always a story to be told. It

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Speaker 2: Then you go through you know that is unfold. I

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Speaker 2: Let's get them out of town. But if you want

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Speaker 2: we're gonna see some some fun, some fun games with

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Speaker 2: this offense, perfectly.

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Speaker 3: Said my friend. Always a great time catching up with you.

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Speaker 3: Really really appreciate it and enjoy that soup. Enjoy that soup, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I will. Everybody out there, we're all bow levers.

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Speaker 1: Now right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you, Jake starting to be yep hey, right on

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Speaker 2: you guys. Thanks for having me on. You have a

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Speaker 2: great time you.

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Speaker 1: Too, Thank you, Jake Plummer. Always good