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Speaker 1: What's that.

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Speaker 2: There's too many of you, brother, brother, brother, there's.

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Speaker 3: Far too many of you that I think.

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Speaker 4: Anyone who puckers up their lips and presses it against

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Speaker 4: their bosses buttocks and then smooches, it's an asks I

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Speaker 4: seem to think, and everything except my work.

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Speaker 3: I'm good at my work.

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Speaker 4: I confine myself to that.

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Speaker 3: All I want out of life is thirty shire and

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Speaker 3: a twenty rating. The man's enlarged my mind.

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Speaker 5: H He's a poet, bowyer and in the classic sense,

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Speaker 5: I'm a little man.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little man.

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Speaker 3: He's a great man.

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Speaker 5: Think of it as colors. There's black, and it's white,

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Speaker 5: and in between it's mostly gray.

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Speaker 1: That's us.

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Speaker 5: Now. Gray is a tough color because it's not as

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Speaker 5: simple as black and white, and for the media certainly

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Speaker 5: not as interesting.

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Speaker 3: But it's who we are.

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Speaker 4: This report is sponsored by Gens right, Oh, I love it.

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Speaker 3: That's not what we want to do.

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Speaker 4: I thought that was early Kessler for a minute, but

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Speaker 4: that wasn't no, And I think I screwed up the

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Speaker 4: whole network.

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Speaker 3: Now, what the hell know? We're hitting buttons?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's been a while, been a while since we've

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Speaker 4: been in the same studio. I'm not going to do

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Speaker 4: the leader bit because my voice is not quite year

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Speaker 4: yet there, but I will say this, I will ask,

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Speaker 4: this is the Anthony Edwards honeymoon.

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Speaker 3: Over?

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Speaker 4: Excuse me, I'm just asking. I'm not suggesting that it is.

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Speaker 4: I'm just asking whether it might be. I just got

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Speaker 4: to look via ESPN and now NBA dot Com of

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Speaker 4: what they're classifying.

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Speaker 3: As hold on, let me get to it.

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Speaker 4: The second fan returns of NBA All Star Voting twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six. Oh yeah, and according to ESPN, Anthony Edwards

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Speaker 4: did not crack the top ten.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about.

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Speaker 4: If you put Western Conference vote totals and Eastern Conference

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Speaker 3: Man did not crack the top ten. What's going on?

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Speaker 4: Are they punishing him for his inexcusable behavior?

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Speaker 3: A couple of was it two weeks ago? Whenever? That was?

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Speaker 3: Were he in Atlanta left the court in Atlanta, Georgia?

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Speaker 3: It was last week?

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Speaker 4: I guess it was last week. Let me look at

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Speaker 4: these totals now again, Let's see who they picked popularity contest.

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Speaker 4: We know how that goes. It doesn't necessarily mean they're right.

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Speaker 4: I just I thought he had reached a point nationally

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Speaker 4: not necessarily meaning he's a top five player in the NBA,

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Speaker 4: but top five. I've got Luca, your guy, Luca with

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Speaker 4: the most votes two point three million.

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Speaker 3: Votes.

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Speaker 4: Okay, looks to me like second is Janis Yannis. I

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Speaker 4: should say, the Greek freak with two point one million votes.

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Speaker 4: Third the Joker one point nine to nine eight million,

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Speaker 4: One point Why is this New York? Yes, one point

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Speaker 4: nine one six. Then it's Tyrese Maxie. Interesting, Then it's

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Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell. So our guy didn't crack. Now in the

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Speaker 4: when Banyama and then he's number six and he makes

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Speaker 4: barely ahead of How do you pronounce the Portland guy's name?

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Speaker 3: Who is it?

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Speaker 4: A V D I G A j A from Portland?

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Speaker 4: I have no idea vija okay? I had Johnny on yesterday.

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Speaker 4: I should have asked him. Lebron is a eight in

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Speaker 4: Rockets. Interesting. Now, I'm not saying that means it's over

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Speaker 4: for Anthony Edwards, but I thought between you know, his performances,

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Speaker 4: we're just coming out of it, that he'd be automatic

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not sure if he's wired that way.

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Speaker 4: I'm just asking what this means. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: we talk with you Ani about it yesterday. Bumper Bumper

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Speaker 4: is the name of the program. I think it's a

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Speaker 4: full three and a half hour tour today. That means

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Speaker 3: Thirty of them.

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Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, speaking of that, did you happen

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Speaker 4: to read while I was gone the controversial Carl Gerbschmidt

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Speaker 4: Jim Beam Jim Beam, yeah, and then that moved to

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Speaker 4: John Green. We talked to him about it on segment.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, yes, we did end up doing the pics

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Speaker 4: Secite changed his name again. Well according to Gerby, Oh

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Speaker 4: Well, no, especially when there's the pretty significant distortion. He

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Speaker 4: he know once upon a time this was a two

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Speaker 4: and a half hour show actually Chad Orborero days where

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Speaker 4: I was four third to seven, more like actually four

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Speaker 4: We've been three and a half hours for quite some time.

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Speaker 4: So was that twenty years? Was that Gerby just you know,

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Speaker 3: And a half hour program.

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Speaker 4: I think it's more the latter, all right, Yeah, And

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Speaker 4: also Gerby's like a lot of our guests, including Glenn

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Speaker 4: really goes on when thing's not on it. That's true too,

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Speaker 4: So there's that part of it as well.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know how that was a digression, but

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Speaker 4: about speaking of digressions, the Twitter war that broke out

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Speaker 4: before the show yesterday between Johnny Athletic and Kevin Fallness, No,

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Speaker 4: I didn't. The new Fallness bit is I send out

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Speaker 4: I can't find the hockey. Yep, we could talk about

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Speaker 4: it there. That was fun, That's true. I stayed up

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Speaker 4: for that when I got home. That was fun, Johnny.

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Speaker 4: Then he responds to the original shot taken and it

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Speaker 4: ends up becoming a debate about who's got the better league,

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Speaker 4: the culmination of this this battle should be in appearance on.

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Speaker 3: What's the Saturday Hockey Show Beyond the Pond.

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Speaker 4: Beyond the Pond, Yeah, Johnny Athletics should be I don't

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Speaker 4: know if he's ever been on it before. He should

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Speaker 4: be booked for Beyond the Pond segment. Wouldn't that be

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Speaker 4: but I think it's pretty good. But Beyond the Pond

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Speaker 4: That's true with Blake Moore and Miklett. Yeah, they all

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Speaker 4: so Johnny would be good there.

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Speaker 3: That might work there.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how much you're even on, so I

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Speaker 4: don't know how much you had a chance to talk

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Speaker 3: I'm a bit well.

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Speaker 4: I get bothered by everything, as I proved yesterday with

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Speaker 3: That's still lazy.

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Speaker 4: I know that he's capable of thinking that this is

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Speaker 4: prove about non Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Bothered even more so, not just by the Anthony Edwards

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Speaker 3: Yes so, But.

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Speaker 4: Nationally and maybe this is where he is given a pass,

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Speaker 4: You can't do that? I mean, that's just not You're

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Speaker 4: Johnny claims internally they did talk to him about it,

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Speaker 4: say it's automatically worthy of one.

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Speaker 3: But that's a line. I mean, you can't cross that line.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of lines you say wow maybe or

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Speaker 4: much bigger than that. And I still don't understand why.

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's been swept under the rug. Maybe

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Speaker 3: You've got the NFL by the anti clause commercials.

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Speaker 4: The fact that anti claus has given everybody, you know,

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Speaker 4: Anthony Edwards shoes again in sprite, and everybody's got that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you're right now.

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Speaker 4: I haven't been like locked in on the national rhetoric

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Speaker 4: some people have talked about it and we've just missed it.

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Speaker 4: be a little bit more. Man, It's just that's such

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Speaker 4: bad form. I there's I just don't think there's any

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Speaker 4: He said, well, Draymond I said, well, that's true, but

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Speaker 4: that doesn't even count, and he thought, not great company.

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Speaker 4: Where's the guard used to play when he's back in Portland?

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Speaker 3: Okay, could Tua be that threading of the needle.

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Speaker 2: thing he could have done, because it could not have

440
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Speaker 2: been made any more clear by Kevin O'Connell and other

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Speaker 2: people in the organization after that game in New York

442
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Speaker 2: where he did not mention the fact that his hand

443
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Speaker 2: was bothering him and he ends up dropping a ball

444
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Speaker 2: that gets returned for a touchdown and takes a ten

445
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Speaker 2: point lead down to a three point lead, And you know,

446
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Speaker 2: you could say whether that game meant anything in the

447
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Speaker 2: grand scheme of things, but it was a game they

448
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Speaker 2: were trying to win, and because he did not tell

449
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Speaker 2: them in a timely fashion, they went on a certain

450
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Speaker 2: they made certain football and game plan and play calling

451
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Speaker 2: decisions that led to a pretty significant swing at the

452
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Speaker 2: end of that first half. And so it could not

453
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Speaker 2: have been made any more clear publicly or to him

454
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Speaker 2: privately that you can't do that. You have to tell

455
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Speaker 2: the medical people, tell the coaches, tell someone when you're

456
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Speaker 2: having an issue, and then will decide, will help you

457
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Speaker 2: decide if it's something you can you can get through.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we just call a bunch of run plays, maybe

459
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Speaker 2: we don't ask you to make any throws that would

460
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Speaker 2: be difficult or what have you, or will pull you out.

461
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Speaker 2: But you have to tell us. And so that's what's

462
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Speaker 2: on his mind when he starts feeling like his hand

463
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Speaker 2: is throbbing. And you could argue, well, maybe he should

464
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Speaker 2: have told them at halftime and it would have been

465
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Speaker 2: a little less theatrical or dramatic. But and you always

466
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Speaker 2: can argue that football players are trained and wired to

467
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Speaker 2: never take themselves out of games. But in this very

468
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Speaker 2: specific situation where the coach and the boss is on

469
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Speaker 2: record saying don't do that. You know you did it once.

470
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Speaker 2: It really hurt us, it hurt the team. Please don't

471
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Speaker 2: do that again. I have a hard time coming down

472
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Speaker 2: on him for doing it in this particular case.

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Speaker 4: Does did the head coach express, either publicly or privately,

474
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Speaker 4: any annoyance and or discussed with the more childish decision

475
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Speaker 4: that the QB made on the scramble the stiff arm

476
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Speaker 4: and then the bump out of bounce.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he mentioned that he talked to him, and you

478
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Speaker 2: could see it on the tape like he was he

479
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 2: was waiting for him when he came off the field,

480
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Speaker 2: whenever that possession was over with, and so I think

481
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Speaker 2: there was a very clear message. Since I don't know

482
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Speaker 2: that he considered it one of the top offenses of

483
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Speaker 2: the year or anything that he's going to dramatically judge

484
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Speaker 2: him for, but I think he I think Brian O'Neil

485
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Speaker 2: said a few things to him you could see on

486
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Speaker 2: the tape, and even if it was just pulling him

487
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Speaker 2: away from the official who was trying to tell him

488
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Speaker 2: what he had done wrong, and clearly Kevin O'Connell was

489
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Speaker 2: waiting for him as well on the side, So I

490
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Speaker 2: think the message was delivered, but I don't think that

491
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Speaker 2: there was this massive avalanche of disgust at least rained

492
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Speaker 2: down upon him.

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Speaker 4: Kevin Seaford, ESPN an ESPN dot com. Let's stay with

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Speaker 4: a little more in the quarterbacks before we move on

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Speaker 4: to some other juicy subjects involving your favorite football team.

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Speaker 4: The two most interesting nuggets to me from your long

497
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Speaker 4: piece regarding the quarterback saga you alluded to one of them,

498
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Speaker 4: which we talked a lot about on Sunday, that you certainly,

499
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Speaker 4: based on the reporting you did for this story, came

500
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Speaker 4: to I think a much stronger conclusion that the Vikings

501
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 4: were trying to hedge with Daniel Jones, even if they wanted.

502
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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy to be the starter this season.

503
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Speaker 4: Do you have any sense of where they went wrong

504
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Speaker 4: on their dare I say assumption that they had him,

505
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Speaker 4: that there wasn't much doubt that between money and the

506
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 4: short amount of time that he had already been here,

507
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 4: that there was a very good chance they're going to

508
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Speaker 4: be able to get their wish.

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Speaker 2: It definitely wasn't money, I think over the court, you know,

510
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: this has been a process that had been going on

511
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Speaker 2: with Daniel Jones since the end of November when they

512
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Speaker 2: signed him to the practice squad and we talked about it.

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Speaker 1: Then.

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Speaker 2: The Vikings didn't necessarily go this far publicly, but this

515
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 2: was it was very clearly at least partially designed to

516
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Speaker 2: give them, like a six league runway into whether he's

517
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Speaker 2: the kind of guy that they would want to bring

518
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Speaker 2: in for the following year, the same way they had

519
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Speaker 2: with Sam Darnold the previous year. And I think they

520
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: got to the end of that and they had They

521
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Speaker 2: both sides enjoyed the time, thought it was productive. The

522
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Speaker 2: Vikings thought he was a very good fit for what

523
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Speaker 2: they would want to do. Daniel Jones said a lot

524
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Speaker 2: of nice things internally and publicly about them and the

525
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Speaker 2: way that the things he had learned from them in

526
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Speaker 2: terms of preparing for games and game planning and and

527
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Speaker 2: just the whole process they went through. And so I

528
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Speaker 2: don't think that there was if there was ever a

529
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Speaker 2: time when Daniel Jones told them, I'm going to sign

530
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Speaker 2: with you, like I was not able to uncover that.

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Speaker 2: But short of that, I think that if there was

532
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Speaker 2: an error, they just they underestimated or maybe just didn't

533
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Speaker 2: know him well enough to determine whether he was going

534
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: to go out on free agency and how serious that

535
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: would be. And it turned out to be very serious,

536
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Speaker 2: And it turned out that he took the best option

537
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Speaker 2: for him in terms of getting on the field, at

538
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: least in terms of guarantees, and went forward with that.

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Speaker 4: Is that part of the miscalculation in that I think

540
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Speaker 4: it's very clear that one of the things Jones figured

541
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Speaker 4: out was that he was going to have a lot

542
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Speaker 4: better chance winning the job in Baltimore or Baltimore in

543
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Speaker 4: Indianapolis than he was in minnesot And I guess I

544
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Speaker 4: would ask you, is that something the Vikings could have

545
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Speaker 4: done a better job of conveying or were in that

546
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 4: Were they in that mode where that's too dangerous. We

547
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Speaker 4: got to make sure that JJ understands he's kind of

548
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Speaker 4: anointed as the guy.

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Speaker 2: I got the sense that there was a feeling that

550
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Speaker 2: it could have been finessed better. You're not going to

551
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: do yourself any favors by lying to him and saying

552
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Speaker 2: you're our guy, when when he would know that, you know,

553
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Speaker 2: I mean this, JJ McCarthy's the number ten pick. He's

554
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Speaker 2: eventually going to at least get a chance to be

555
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Speaker 2: the guy. So, but there's a lot of ways to

556
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Speaker 2: finesse it, and I think there was probably a feeling

557
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Speaker 2: amongst some people around that situation that the Vikings didn't

558
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: do a good enough job finessing how the process would

559
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Speaker 2: play out and selling why they were his best option.

560
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Speaker 2: And you could argue that they were just playing from behind,

561
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Speaker 2: that they really just weren't his best option because you

562
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: had a team in the Colts, who were a pretty

563
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: decent team. But I had a young quarterback who had

564
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: already had two years to show them or not show them,

565
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Speaker 2: that he could be the guy. And in the case

566
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: of the Vikings it was JJ McCarthy had just had

567
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: one and so maybe they could have finessed it better.

568
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: Maybe some they could have done a better job closing it,

569
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Speaker 2: But I still think that ultimately they were playing from

570
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: behind on that. But if there was a mistake, it

571
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: was like believing too strongly that they would be able

572
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Speaker 2: to get that done.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's get to for me at least the

574
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Speaker 4: other key nugget that the Vikings also, I think, starting

575
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Speaker 4: with KOC miscalculated JJ McCarthy's floor. Everyone assumes with a

576
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 4: young quarterback they're going to be ups and downs, But

577
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: the question is well, how down are the downs gonna be?

578
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: Well, they can't be that down.

579
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Speaker 4: We got good people around them, We know what we're doing,

580
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 4: and so we're gonna be able to navigate through the downs.

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Speaker 4: And as you point out, and as we've talked about

582
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Speaker 4: for months analytically or via eye test, the downs were

583
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Speaker 4: rather historic.

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Speaker 3: The floor was frightening at times, yes, And.

585
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Speaker 2: So you know, I try to think through it from

586
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: their eyes, in part because you know, we were all

587
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: part of the hype train in his rookie training camp

588
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: when he actually looked pretty good. Obviously the pressure wasn't

589
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: on him. He was playing against second teams sometimes sometimes

590
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: against the first team, but it was never in a

591
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: pressure situation where he was the guy on the field.

592
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: And then we saw him in the preseason where where

593
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: he did a really good job and they were going

594
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: to start getting in more first round first team reps

595
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: and who knows how it would have gone. But when

596
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: he was hurt, there was definitely a sense and this

597
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: was not just like trying to make him feel good

598
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: and trying to make themselves feel better, like there was

599
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 2: definitely a sense that he wasn't that far away. And

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Speaker 2: so what we talked about and I think I found

601
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: through reporting as well, is that there was just a

602
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: long gap of inactivity and when he eventually did get

603
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: back on the field, there was a lot more that

604
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: had been shaved away from that, from that high that

605
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 2: he had been at than they thought. And by the

606
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: time they were able to see that all the you know,

607
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: which was probably into the OTAs and certainly in a

608
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 2: training camp, and the options were way limited. So they

609
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: were trying they were trying to do something very difficult,

610
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: which was assessed where they thought he could be when

611
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Speaker 2: they had a chance to make decisions about even going

612
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Speaker 2: as far back as whether they should franchise tag Sam

613
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Speaker 2: Darnold or sign or what they should do to get

614
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Speaker 2: Daniel Jones or even Aaron Rodgers, and they had not

615
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: seen any really, certainly, not any team drills or anything

616
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: to give them more information about where he was at.

617
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: All they knew was he was working in that early

618
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Speaker 2: part of the year to gain back the forty pounds

619
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Speaker 2: that he had lost during the previous the rehab, and

620
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: so the timing of it was difficult, and they I

621
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: think did everything that they could think of to try

622
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Speaker 2: to build up the team around him and to trust

623
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Speaker 2: themselves as coaches and as personnel people to continue to

624
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: build if needed. And they were I think probably as

625
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: surprised as anyone at the depth of the levels that

626
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: they saw, because even though he had a tough train

627
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: not even a tough training camp, but an up and

628
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: down training camp, the way he played in that Falcons

629
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Speaker 2: game and the way he played when he got back

630
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Speaker 2: even towards the middle of the season was lower than

631
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Speaker 2: they could have possibly anticipated in their minds.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's take a pause here.

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Speaker 4: We got time for one more segment if it can

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Speaker 4: work for you via phone, because I do want to

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Speaker 4: go other directions, certainly the B flow direction, and then

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Speaker 4: anything else that is catching your eye as you prepare

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Speaker 4: to cover this team now that the offseason has in

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Speaker 4: not surprisingly six four six eight six, before we talk

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Speaker 4: bflow and other things. There are some quarterback questions that

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Speaker 4: are pretty good ones.

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Speaker 3: I think, and you you do?

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Speaker 4: You address this in some depth, but not as much

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Speaker 4: as some other parts of the QB story nine to

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Speaker 4: five to two. Guy asks, do you have knowledge on

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Speaker 4: who in the building wanta a roger?

657
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Speaker 3: Who didn't?

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Speaker 2: I think ultimately none of the decision makers did. I

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00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: think it's the best way to put it. There were

660
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: definitely people in the personnel department and you know, in

661
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: the front office that thought it could be a good idea.

662
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: But you know, in the end there's two decision makers

663
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 2: at the Vikings and that's Pacy Dopamensa and Kevin O'Connell.

664
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: And I think if either one of them thought that

665
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: this was that was the slam dunk right decision that

666
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 2: they would have done.

667
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: It is the ladder in any kind of double secret

668
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 4: or on any kind of double secret probation.

669
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: Can come on Cracy, Yeah, I had not gotten the

670
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: sense of that. Uh, you know, towards the end of

671
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: last week, you know, people that work in the building

672
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: every day were not getting the sense that there was

673
00:36:54,040 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: some kind of you know, accountability to mad and coming

674
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: that would that would end up costing Quacy Dopamentu's job,

675
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: if that's what you mean. But you know, the owners

676
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:13,720
Speaker 2: also are not in the building every day, and so things,

677
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 2: I guess in theory, things could could heat up quickly

678
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: in that regard, But I do not think that that

679
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: is going to be an outcome of this of this season.

680
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 4: All right, at this moment, at this moment, Okay, fair enough, let's,

681
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 4: by the way, stay with offense for a minute. Ben

682
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 4: Lieber said something I thought kind of interesting. I asked

683
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 4: him who he's on fired this week?

684
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, very much.

685
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 4: So I asked him who he believes the number one

686
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 4: running back for the Vikings in twenty twenty six would

687
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 4: be and whether that player is on the roster, and

688
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: he said no, he thinks it's likely to be either

689
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 4: a draft pick or another signing. Now, he didn't get

690
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: go beyond that regarding you, you know, the two running

691
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 4: backs that at times were pretty effective this year. But

692
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 4: what do you think about that, how do we view

693
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 4: going into twenty twenty six. Are we okay with the

694
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 4: running game with the running backs we have or is

695
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: that is that hard to justify moving forward.

696
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: I think that it's a good take by Ben. I

697
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: think a couple of things. If Aaron Jones were five

698
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: years younger and it was not coming off a year

699
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: where he really had to work hard to play on

700
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: the field, then that would be one thing. But and

701
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: I still think there could be a role for him

702
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 2: next year under the right circumstances, because he's still got

703
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: a lot of skills. It's just in terms of how

704
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,959
Speaker 2: much you can rely on him on over the course

705
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 2: of a single game and over the course of the season.

706
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: And I think they while they like Jordan Mason a lot,

707
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: and he had another good seven hundred plus yard year,

708
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: I think that they look at him as, you know,

709
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: a really good second option that they can use a

710
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: fair bit, not to be the guy that is the

711
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: sort of bell cow over the course of the entire season.

712
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: And so and even if he was, they would need

713
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: somebody else to pair with him in addition to Aaron Jones.

714
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: And so I think it's very I mean, I don't

715
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: have any like hard facts in terms of them coming

716
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: up with this on their priority list and whether they

717
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: even have it a priority list yet. But it's very

718
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: reasonable to think that they're going to need to add

719
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: at that position given the age of Aaron Jones and

720
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: some of the injury issues he had, and just what

721
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: is the most ideal optimized way to use Jordan Mason?

722
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 4: All right, are you able right now at three forty

723
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 4: seven Central time to break the story on one hundred

724
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 4: thousand watt radio not to mention the free free free

725
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: iHeartRadio app that the Vikings and Brian Flores have agreed

726
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 4: to a contract extension that will make him the highest

727
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 4: paid defensive coordinator in the history of football.

728
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: I cannot say that that is for sure going to happen.

729
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: I know, if he does resign it it quite possibly

730
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: could be for the highest paid defense coordinator job. But

731
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: you know, he's got a fair bit of interest. I

732
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: would think it's a defense coordinator and and I think

733
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: the Raiders situation and for the head coach job certainly

734
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: bears watching. You know who knows that that would ultimately

735
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: be a fit on either side. But I feel like

736
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: it's it's you know, I certainly don't have any information

737
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: to say for a fact that he's coming back, and

738
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot less to be played out.

739
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: While I still think that there's a decent chance that

740
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: could ultimately lead him back here.

741
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 4: Is there any reason to think that, for whatever reason,

742
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: he might be predisposed towards the allure of, let's say,

743
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 4: being the defensive coordinator who comes to the rescue for

744
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys, now that again that job has become available.

745
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 4: I guess what I'm asking is I get I keep

746
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 4: getting the feeling from other members of the Jackal crew

747
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 4: that it's not inconceivable, given the contract situation, that he

748
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 4: could make a lateral move and be a coordinator someplace else.

749
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: Would that surprise you?

750
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: It would, you know? I think at the end of

751
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: last week, the Vikings that Leaves felt pretty confident that

752
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: he wouldn't leave for in a lateral in a lateral move,

753
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: and some people around Brian Flores aren't so sure that

754
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: he would do that either, but he certainly Yeah, I don't,

755
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: and I don't think that's just self serving on all

756
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 2: their parts. I think that they do feel like this

757
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: is not like a cruising towards divorce situation. It's a

758
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: I have done a good enough job to expose myself

759
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: to a rare opportunity to put myself out there for

760
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: the highest bidder, and we don't know what those bids

761
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: could be unless I in fact make myself available. And

762
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: so I think that's what's happening on the defensive coordinator front.

763
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that there couldn't be some kind

764
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 2: of really unusual, very attractive situation where all the boxes

765
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: are checked from a football and business standpoint, that could

766
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,479
Speaker 2: lure him away. If he didn't think that would happen,

767
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: he wouldn't have gone through all this in the first place.

768
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: And so I do think that you can't close the

769
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: door on that happening. But in terms of do I

770
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: think it's likely, you know, and would it be surprising.

771
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: I don't think it's likely, and I would be surprised,

772
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: but I've been surprised before.

773
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 4: There's no discernible or significant sign of friction here or

774
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 4: just no people kind of get tired of each other.

775
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 4: Don mean anybody's fault is there. There's no sign of

776
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 4: any of those kinds of many kind.

777
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,399
Speaker 2: Of fat not in the ways that would I think

778
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: affect his desire to come back. I think there's genuine

779
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: affection and agreement on how to move forward with Kevin O'Connell,

780
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: and that's the most important relationship that he has to maintain. Obviously,

781
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: you know, I can't speak for every single person in

782
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: the building, but I don't know that there's anybody in

783
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 2: the building that's going to overrule Kevin O'Connell if that's

784
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: if he wants Brian Flores to be a defensive coordinator,

785
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: which he does, and so I I don't sense that

786
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: he's that Flores is running from it or trying to

787
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: give himself an out to run from anything or from anyone.

788
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 2: I think this is this is just about optimizing the

789
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: opportunity that he's earned, uh and and seeing what if

790
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: anything that could you know that that could lead to

791
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: and it doesn't. It could be to simply leverage with

792
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 2: the Vikings in terms of finances. It could be just

793
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: knowing what you're worth is and maybe getting in front

794
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 2: of some people that maybe later in your career that

795
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: that could help you with. But there's no there's no

796
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: real harm in him pursuing what he's pursued. As long

797
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: as everybody's communicating is on the same page about what

798
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: the what the intent is?

799
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: What does the EPA stats stand for?

800
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: Expected points added? Which basically means how much better is

801
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 2: a team or a person than the average NFL team

802
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: or average NFL person over time?

803
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: And as you pointed out earlier today, in that category,

804
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 4: I don't think this is going to surprise anyone. Special

805
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 4: teams finished sixth in the league, defense finished eighth in

806
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 4: the league, and offense finished twenty eighth in the league.

807
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 4: That that that kind of checks, doesn't it? What the

808
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 4: eye test was test.

809
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of put it out there just

810
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: speak to role some people up and not that I

811
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: ever do that very well. There is and you've probably

812
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: seen it and maybe you participated. There's there's been a

813
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 2: lot of special teams hate on the vikings this year,

814
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 2: and too much, you know, and you know there's a

815
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: lot of it was after the Chicago game and I

816
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: guess you know, they gave up a kick return that

817
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: lost the game, but it had the en fire met

818
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 2: the fire. Matt Daniel's crew was loud this year, Matt

819
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: Daniels being the Special teams coordinator, and a lot of

820
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: that EPA is probably due to Will Rekerd having one

821
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: of the best kick maybe the best kicking year other

822
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: than outside of Gary Anderson in the history of the

823
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: franchise maybe, and so but but they over the course

824
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: of the season, their special teams were pretty good. You know,

825
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 2: there was you tend to focus on the handful of

826
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: coverage or miskicks that that happened, or poor coverage or

827
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: miskicks that happened, and not on the sometimes play to

828
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: play down to down performance and so that was you know,

829
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: they they had overall compared to other teams, and you'd

830
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: be surprised how many fans of other teams are always

831
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: claiming their special teams are terrible and that they need

832
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 2: a new special teams coach. And compared to the rest

833
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: of the league, compared to the league average, they were

834
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: pretty good. And I think that everybody would have would

835
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: have thought that the defense was a top ten defense

836
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: as well, and it is. And it's hard to have

837
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: the kind of quarterback play that you've had this year

838
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 2: and have anything other than a bottom dwelling offense, and

839
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: that's what they had as well. But that was sort

840
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 2: of my semi sneaky, not very subtle reason for putting

841
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: that out.

842
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 4: The high priced player on this roster most likely to

843
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: be sacrificed in twenty twenty six.

844
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 2: Well, in a lot of years, you might consider Jalen

845
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: Nalen to be Jalen Naylor to be the type of

846
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: player that you would want to keep around, you know,

847
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: very quiet, good guy in the locker room. Has becut.

848
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: Was a draft pick, one of the few homegrown guys

849
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: they have that have turned out to be pretty good.

850
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: And it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a

851
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: hedge against Jordan Addison in the future. But I don't

852
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: see them having the kind of money to at what

853
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: he's likely to get on the free agent market. So

854
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a sacrifice or not because

855
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: he's not under contract. But that's the first name that

856
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: comes to mind, And and I'm sure there'll be some

857
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 2: salary cap cuts you or at least attempts to reduce salaries.

858
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 2: You look at the two defensive tackles they signed this year,

859
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: and both of them are making a fair bit of

860
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: money next year, Javon Hargrave and Jonathan Allen, and you

861
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 2: wonder what their immediate futures are. Those two guys come

862
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: to mind as well. How about Hackinsa and Hockinson is

863
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: you know, I know a lot of people have wondered

864
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 2: about that, and you know, he didn't play the last

865
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: two games and he certainly hasn't been as productive post

866
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: injury as he was pre injury, and that's something to

867
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: keep in mind. But maybe that's a situation where some

868
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: contract can be renegotiated. Well, but that's a fair that's

869
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: a fair one to keep an eye on as well.

870
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: Larry Mondella Guy has checked in.

871
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 4: He was listening to our conversation with Johnny Athletic that

872
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 4: included some speculation from Johnny on flow. Here's what he

873
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 4: writes because he's listening to you as well. Seaffert's comments

874
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 4: make me even more sure that Johnny Athletic was just

875
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 4: being a shock shock yesterday. He clearly said he has

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Speaker 4: no specific information or knowledge of a schism.

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Speaker 3: He just sensed something.

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Speaker 4: In other words, he's trying to boost his sagging ratings

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Speaker 4: and get some clicks.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: You have it, interesting, Yeah, shot at your.

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Speaker 2: Guyne who knew that Johnny Athletic would would would catch

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Speaker 2: strays on a random Tuesday afternoon for his vikings covery?

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Speaker 3: We catch a strays for everything.

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Speaker 4: Now any any cheap shots he takes at hockey, Kevin

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Speaker 4: Falnas rips him.

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Speaker 3: Now football, he's taken it from Larry Mondellar. Guy. That's

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Speaker 3: I think. Maybe that's a sign of big time. I

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 4: Last b for a question, do we have any sense

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Speaker 4: that there is a team willing to look past the

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Speaker 4: ongoing lawsuit that Flores has against the league and says,

893
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Speaker 4: bleep it, we don't care.

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Speaker 3: We want to hire him to be the head head coach. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the team to keep an eye

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Speaker 2: on would probably be the Raiders. And that's yeah. And

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Speaker 2: that and for a couple of reasons. One, you know,

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Speaker 2: of all the owners in the league, I would think

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Speaker 2: Mark Davis would maybe be less inclined to be offended

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Speaker 2: by the lawsuits than some others. Maybe I'm projecting too

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Speaker 2: much Al Davis onto him, but that's a thought. And

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Speaker 2: I've will and I've and you and I have talked

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Speaker 2: about this. I've always thought that part of getting Brian

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Speaker 2: for is a head coaching job was going to require

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Speaker 2: somebody in that franchise who knows him and will advocate

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Speaker 2: for him to the owner to sort of explain his

907
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Speaker 2: strength and explain the weaknesses and say, look, I know

908
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Speaker 2: this guy, you know he's he we should hire him.

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Speaker 2: I'll vouch for him. And and the Raiders have that

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Speaker 2: in Tom Brady. I mean we know that he knows him,

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Speaker 2: and we think he would vouch for him, and he

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Speaker 2: certainly would as an owner himself of the team, so

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Speaker 2: he would be able to take some of that responsibility.

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Speaker 2: And so I think for all those reasons, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of the possibilities or a lot of the boxes

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Speaker 2: are checked there. But also, like you know, they're also

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Speaker 2: a completely dysfunctional franchise, and if you're Brian Flores, you

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Speaker 2: have to think through is this where I want my

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Speaker 2: you know, you don't get many of these opportunities, you know,

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Speaker 2: is this where I want to take, you know, my second?

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Speaker 2: You know, if I don't make it in my second,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to get a third for sure, And

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Speaker 2: so that that is something for him to think about

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 4: Uh, we're done with you today, but we're not done

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Speaker 4: with you for the season. So as far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 4: I'm hoping we can reconvene a week from now and

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Speaker 4: hopefully in studio as well.

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Speaker 2: That sounds good. Sorry, I couldn't make it in today.

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Speaker 2: We will do that next time for sure.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Okay and Kevin Seaford E s p N

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Speaker 3: dot com.

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Speaker 4: Let's pause with the top of the hour and prepare

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Speaker 4: for some hockey conversation.

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Speaker 3: Kevin fall on us. You can come out now.