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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Big Outdoors. News Radio seven hundred w

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Speaker 1: l W Cincinnati, home of the Cincinnati Reds and the

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Speaker 1: best Bengals coverage. Chip Hard here and uh want last one,

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Speaker 1: Tom Cross. Uh he's back in the woods again, which

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Speaker 1: is actually a good place for him. And uh it's

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Speaker 1: it's very calming for the wildlife out there when when

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Speaker 1: he's in the woods because uh uh he has no

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Speaker 1: chance whatsoever, but hopefully he is catching this on his

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Speaker 1: way in. Do you like that, Danny?

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Speaker 2: That's very good.

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Speaker 1: All no harm will come to his quarry today. Correct.

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Speaker 1: Jim Samuel, welcome back to the Big Outdoors and uh

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Speaker 1: you uh you. You visit with me a couple of

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Speaker 1: times of years, particularly when there's important subjects and and

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Speaker 1: I have to and I need to turn to you.

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Speaker 1: You are a member of the Ohio Wildlife Council. And

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Speaker 1: for the for those that are not familiar, what does

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Speaker 1: a person that is on the council, what is the

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Speaker 1: responsibility that you have to the sportsman of Ohio.

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Speaker 3: We'll chip, good morning, thanks for having me back on

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Speaker 3: the show. The Wildlade Council is an eight member board.

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Speaker 3: We are appointed by the Governor of Ohio and our

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Speaker 3: job is to assess the rules on seasons, dates, bag limits,

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Speaker 3: things like that that come from the Division of Wildlife,

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Speaker 3: and we vote to approve or not approve those rules.

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Speaker 3: And it really I see our role though, as to

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Speaker 3: try to be a voice for sportsmen in that rule process.

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Speaker 3: So I try to get out and you talk to

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Speaker 3: you talk to a lot of different groups around the state.

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Speaker 3: When I'm in a council meeting, I try to respond

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Speaker 3: to the rules and with what I'm hearing from from

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Speaker 3: hunters and anglers and trappers around the state, and you.

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Speaker 2: Know, maybe make a rule better.

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Speaker 3: And and and uh, you know, keep keep everything going going.

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Speaker 2: Well for for Ohio's hunters and anglers.

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Speaker 1: Well, before we get onto the subject of the day,

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Speaker 1: which is tremendously important, what are you finding more sportsmen uh,

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Speaker 1: participating in providing a voice or an opinion on the

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Speaker 1: rules coming down the road than you did, say, three

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Speaker 1: or four years.

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Speaker 2: Ago at one hundred percent?

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Speaker 3: You know, obviously there sadly there are fewer hunters and

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Speaker 3: not the same number of anglers across Ohio. But as

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Speaker 3: far as folks speaking up about rules and things like that, yes.

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Speaker 2: It's it's been a tremendous increase.

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Speaker 3: I've been on council for seven years and really just

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Speaker 3: you know, just this last meeting we had, it was

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Speaker 3: the largest penants I've ever seen in a meeting.

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Speaker 2: Uh. And you know, only.

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Speaker 3: The second time that that we've hit our maximum numbers

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Speaker 3: the comment periods where where hunters and anglers can comment

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Speaker 3: either uh, you know, either going online or showing up

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Speaker 3: the meetings uh and making public.

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Speaker 2: Comments about the rules. Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've I have not seen anything like it

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Speaker 3: let's say a year and a half, folks have really

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Speaker 2: And that's important.

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Speaker 1: It is because you know, for for as long as

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Speaker 1: I can remember, the sportsman was always like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe just maybe even just a little bit lack of

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Speaker 1: around because as they're as you mentioned, you having fewer

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Speaker 1: hunters but about the same number of fishermen. You know, what,

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Speaker 1: people need to be knowledgeable about that. It's like taking

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. And you know, we've also had some really important

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Speaker 3: five year process for changing the waterfowl zones in uh

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Speaker 3: probably the best process I've seen thus far in my

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Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of interaction.

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Speaker 3: Uh. The division modified their their proposal several times based

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Speaker 2: Uh. In the outcome, Well.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping I played my part and others out there

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Speaker 1: continue to do. So we are going to hit a break, Jim,

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Speaker 1: so you said tight, and we come back. We're going

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Speaker 1: to take on the biggest topic of the day facing

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Speaker 1: deer hunters in Ohio. So you said, tight, Chip Hart,

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Speaker 1: I guess. Jim Sanuel, Ohio wild Left Council, seven hundred

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Speaker 1: WLW Cincinnati, seven hundred WLW Cincinnati, stick around. It's gonna

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Speaker 1: be as always, a hell of a fun day at

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Speaker 1: the Big One and sports and sports and sports Gary

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Speaker 1: Jeff Walker up at uh oh right after the news

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Speaker 1: at the bottom of the hour. He'll take you to nine.

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Speaker 1: Uh what's that guy? What's that? What's that lawyer's name?

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Speaker 1: Danny Mike Shoot it, I've got Allan, Mike Allen, Michael

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Speaker 1: you at noon and uh ken Brew and then sports,

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Speaker 1: sports and the sports and more sports cards and let

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Speaker 1: them rip. Jim Samuel, welcome back with the Ohio Wildlife

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Speaker 1: Council the subject of the day. And I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: what I have heard more about this, seen more social

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Speaker 1: struck Ohio. Of course we still have that area up

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Speaker 1: and you know, continued watching that. So what was it

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Speaker 1: three or four? Three or four weeks ago we had

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. So we're talking about epizootic camorrhagic disease EHD.

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Speaker 2: And this is this is an issue.

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Speaker 3: That I you know, never seen anything like it, especially

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Speaker 3: as you said, social media and response from the not

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Speaker 3: just the hunting public, but you know, all folks involved

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Speaker 3: really hitting Southeast Ohio very hard. Three counties in particular, Athens, Washington,

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Speaker 3: far in twenty twenty five, there have been over eighty

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Speaker 3: two hundred reports of dead and sick beer. Compare that

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Speaker 3: maybe two thousand reports. Eighty two hundred this year and

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Speaker 3: We had a a wild Buff Council meeting kind of scheduled,

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Speaker 3: not the normal schedule. We had a meeting that the

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Speaker 3: deer gun season. So happy to see the division and

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Speaker 3: folks taking this seriously. A lot of comments not just

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Speaker 3: actually would like to see the rule tighten even more.

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Speaker 3: A number of folks even called for closing the deer

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Speaker 3: to see some changes to that proposed rule. The Division

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Speaker 3: we're moving in that direction. Hunters still have until October sixteenth.

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Speaker 2: To make their to make comments, so you.

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Speaker 3: Know, if you want to have your voice heard, get

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Speaker 3: out there. Go online to the Division of Wildlife to

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Speaker 3: their rules section. You know, you can enter your comments

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Speaker 3: online or you can do it and do it in

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Speaker 3: writing by email.

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Speaker 1: Okay. And so the rule change if it goes into effect,

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Speaker 1: regardless of whether it's two deer or one, that that

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Speaker 1: Of my memory serves me correctly till the end of

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Speaker 2: Yes, sure, correctly.

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Speaker 3: You know, some of us really hoped that it could

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Speaker 3: have been implemented earlier, because, as we all know, more

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Speaker 3: folks are bow hunting these days. Yes, as it is now,

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Speaker 3: the rule would go into a fact December first, which

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Speaker 3: is you know, opening of deer non season, and then

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Speaker 3: that would be an effect for for the whole rest

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Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, I got let's see. You know, I've watched

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Speaker 1: that map evolve just from the postings you know online,

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Speaker 1: And I think there's another source or to you know,

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Speaker 1: after the break. So Jim Samuel sit tight, Chip Hart

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati read. Uh Jim Samuel Hawai a Wildlife Council as

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Speaker 1: we were talking off air that you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's I don't think that this uh the AHD

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Speaker 1: know on my property in particular. Probably just let's just

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Speaker 1: So it's like and the and the bucks of course

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Speaker 1: uh just my I guess opinion. You know, once that

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Speaker 1: so and of course it doesn't seem like the buzzards

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Speaker 1: knew something was wrong, but eventually, you know, they had

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Speaker 3: So yeah, that that that is an interesting thing to

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Speaker 3: me that we don't see the we don't see the

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Speaker 3: buzzards and coyotes going after these these diseased beer. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, as you said, you know, maybe it's hit

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Speaker 2: Hopefully it has.

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Speaker 3: You know, the rain and cooler temperatures we had a

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Speaker 3: week or so ago was was good, but really it

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Speaker 3: And you know, the whitetail in Ohio can become more

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Speaker 1: Again, I never really thought about it or heard it.

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Speaker 3: So again, there's that comment period for all hunters until

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, hey, could you sit tight and hang in

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Speaker 1: All right, sit tight. Jim Samuel my guest with the

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Speaker 1: Ohio Wildlife Council, seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati, Back in the moment, Andy,

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Speaker 1: We're back the Big Outdoors News Radio seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: Since name, I guess has been Jim Samuel. He visits

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Speaker 3: And again, we love to hear, we love to hear

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and from what happens around the whole state, not

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Speaker 1: right exactly. All right, Jim, we thank you for your

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Speaker 1: time and we'll wait that final decision and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it happened. So with that, thanks very much, and we'll

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Speaker 3: Thanks, good luck to you and all your listeners out

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, But that I'm out of here. Gary Jeff is

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Speaker 1: Be safe in the woods and safe on the one